>What is Morimens?A Slay the Spire inspired card battle gacha featuring elements from the Cthulhu Mythos.>Official Linkshttps://store.steampowered.com/app/3052450/Morimens/https://x.com/morimensofcl>Arc 2 Chapter 6 PVhttps://youtu.be/GZFhJdAeUwE>Ongoing Events (V2.6.1)09/21 - 10/19 ○ Character Awakening: Ogier: Oathbound09/21 - 10/19 ○ Character Event: Should Glory Fade10/05 - 11/02 ○ Rerun Awakenings: Castor/Miryam/Xu10/05 - 11/02 ○ Rerun Event: Mirrored Prisoner09/07 - 10/05 ○ Rerun Event: A Million Suns Descend09/07 - 10/05 ○ Rerun Awakenings: Kathigu-Ra/Daffodil/Murphy:Fauxborn08/24 - 09/21 ○ Character Awakening: Caraboo08/24 - 09/21 ○ Character Event: New Moon and Deep Snow08/24 - 09/21 ○ Awakening Event: Lightward Reminiscence08/24 - 09/21 ○ Awakening Event: Stars Cradled Close>V2.7: 2026/11/16 (as of initially announced, TBC)>Guides & Wikishttps://skeydb.com/databasehttps://morimens.huijiwiki.com/[Boss Compendium] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QYciqHJY3BilDcdvBiIT_dOqXOdqGX-4FBDj5rL6qyA[Mythag Compendium] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TCU7LJRzqKeuvLe97y_TfGZ-j6jq5bZX6hskAAJ2mFQ[Flares's Guide] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cC7FOebdy_J2hONmVT1QUSk6SxIRTuVoI4XADVlq5JU>Forgotten Eve>>580945654
Holy shit 2 Ogiers..
gDaff...
>>581608247My chud son
>>581611801...will save the game
>>581616216i mean she has the chance to save poison/counter if she has good triggers
>>581617576the only thing that can save counter is hp% damage when attacked
Don't forget to use your Origin of Time before it expires in a day!
>>581623398I used my last one to AA Winkle but I am at a point where I don't care about the other standard awakeners.For next time. Which standard wheel should be +12?
>>581625298Depends on what your account needs. Assuming you already have Blade of the Titan, other good options are Memory Spiral, Incalculable Factor, Bloody Feast, Happy Magic Show. Or if you want a DR stat stick then Death of Ms. Coral.Also keep in mind the meta changed recently so some wheels became more useful (like Memory Spiral) while others seem to be falling out of favor.
the more i look at gOgier the more he looks like a pChaos boti find even less incentive to pull on this 5 team meta since i've been dumping my resources on those teams..
>>581629205He'll get decent corrosion on STR teams as long as you can play around his gimmicks. I don't get why his numbers are so low though, especially right after Caraboo.
>>581629650yeah that's my issue, his X card is almost always a dead draw, and his exalt shielding is too low to justify the spot at low investment
Death resistance!
>>581629650What investment are you looking at? His numbers are fine at AA.
News!
>>581643807wheelchair sex with lily's mom
>end of chapter 7>william's funeral>"H-HE's REALLY DEAD FOR GOOD WITH NO SILVER CORE AND DEFINITELY NO WAY TO BRING HIM BACK (like ratgirl)">There's stakes we swear!I guess this means the only other character for them to kill off is dexter
page 9
>>581644574Anon that's clem.
czn no page 9 kek
For Kath, what is "Combust"?
>>581650502
>>581656323Combust = how many stacks of fiamma you consumeFiamma = cards on fire, range from 1-3 stacks
>>581660074thank you
where daffodil buff?
why daffodil banner if unplayable?
who think make corrosion no last hit is okay?
>>581623398thanks Ogierreset my Doresain for more primers
>>581642082yeah i'm looking at low invest, he does seem fine at AA but idc about anything above OE at most
>>581643807Do we know effect
>>581673781Main stat: Critical Rate.Effects:After starting the exploration, add one “Clinic of the Imago" card to your deck.“Clinic of the Imago" (3 athrimetica): The wearer gains "Auscultation": Each time an ally is attacked this turn, gain 1 "Auscultation Record". For each stack, enhance the wearer's "Command Cards" by 4% in the next turn. Can stack up to a maximum of 5 stacks. Retain. Prepare-1.After gaining a total of 5/10/15/20/25 "Auscultation Records" during this exploration, add one "Insect Specimen" to your deck.“Insect Specimen" (0 athrimetica): Discover three "Primal Memory" Posse and choose one to activate once. Retain. Exhaust.These effects of the command card will be enhanced by “Auscultation Record”: Damage, shield, STR, tentacle damage, health recovery, fixed poison, and fixed counter.
>>581674908surely this doesnt trigger posse synnergies right..?
>>581642082I was looking at all levels of investment >>581446567 >>581451514 and he looked underwhelming on every one of them even under the most optimistic assumptions.The AA is not very good imo, it just makes him slightly more usable in non STR stacking teams but even at AA, the amount of corrosion he applies without external STR is roughly equivalent to a lvl 60 E0 Saya except it also comes with a bunch of conditions you need to play around.
>>581675046It activates a posse so it triggers posse synergies. Looks good on a 24 team into exploration. You can search the Clinic card every turn with Ramona and farm all 5 Specimens in the first fight in Wave 4.
Old news!https://x.com/ywra_a/status/2101499047299424692Mouchette is cute!
https://youtu.be/nYvPEahQJPM
>>581680798True everyone already knows this.
>>581677718Looks fine from what you've shown. 800 shield on exalt. 1300 in PCaro. 350 str on overexalt. 560 in PCaro. Single target corrosion is good for him since you can easily keep one mob alive to stall for max undertow and oe into the next fight. Draw isn't an issue in PChaos because you can rewind to fish for +4 draw posse.
>>581682971You're taking these numbers at face value without understanding what you need to do in order to achieve them. You need to get 3 stacks of undertow. To get this many stacks you need to cast his 2 cost in 3 different turns because the stack application is turn unique so this is at least 6 arithmetica spent on a do-nothing card that doesn't have retain so you need to cast it as soon as you see it. Then while holding stack you're losing 1-3 card draw every turn.
>>581683793Did you miss his Posse reveal? You farm undertow stacks by rouse and rewinding turns to hunt for his posse not by playing his 2 cost.
>>581684324Posses have the alternative cost of not using other posses. You can think of this posse activation as costing you 3 arithmetica or 4 card draw. But yeah I'll need to see the ingame values of his posse first, they should be much higher than what is presented here so it might be worth using, but either way you'll be losing draws because you can't get 3 stacks of undertow in the same turn.Also there was a disclaimer that the numbers I provided in the last thread made generous assumptions about how undertow scaled the exalt shield/STR in relation to his SSR and SR wheel. I assumed the two effects worked multiplicatively but there's a very good chance they're additive because they're both worded as affecting "base" values. Same deal with the rouse Defense effect. Here's what his numbers look like if the aforementioned effects are additive.
>>581687580Pro tip for all rewind abusers. Any card that opens up a selection menu will change the rng outcome even if you hit X to cancel. You can test this yourself in PChaos by checking the posse choices after cancelling a selection. This allows some characters perfect control over rng while you have their card in hand because you can keep spamming cancel to change the rng outcome until you get exactly what you want. This works for Ryker, Hameln, GDoll, Salvador, and Thais.For GOgier who is conveniently PChaos you can easily reset for the double posse activation for his posse and for the triad posse activation as well to instantly hit 3 undertow in a single turn while keeping your +3 arith mouse wisdom set for rouse.
>>581689239that's a crazy tech if real, thanks for the infosounds like something that needs to get patched lmao
>>581690351Don't think they could patch that without fucking up something else. Maybe giving each battle a unique seed at Turn 1? But would it be worth the increased time and effort fixing it?
>>581690629unpopular opinion but i'd probably quit if rng manipulation got removedfinding the correct "solve" for an otherwise impossible fight is what i enjoy the most on this game
>>581608247The twink has become a twonk. He will now be on top tonight.
>>581690874Personally it wouldn't affect me either way(since I don't buy the pass), but I doubt you are alone in your opinion. I'm quite sure that there are a number of others that would too. Not much sense in potentially pissing off paying customers especially when the change wouldn't even affect most people.
>>581691294the one thing i wouldn't mind going away is the DR proc abuse, i've had to do it to a somewhat reasonable extent on madness clears but for arc 3 i wouldn't mind seeing DR changed to 50% = 1 res or similar
https://youtu.be/JXOjdqkKKro
turn rewind should've never been a paid featureor a feature at all if their game is coded in a way that lets you mess with rng
>>581691596Assuming at below 50% you get no chance of triggering a DR, each DR trigger halving your DR, for the below DR thresholds you get the folowing amount of triggers100 > 50 > 25 [2 triggers]200 > 100 > 50 > 25 [3 triggers]300 > 150 > 75 > 37.5 [3 triggers]400 > 200 > 100 > 50 > 25 [4 triggers]500 > 250 > 175 > 87.5 > 43.75 [4 triggers]600 > 300 > 150 > 75 > 37.5 [4 triggers]So while DR is unlimited, soft cap is at 400 / 4 triggers. What makes it feel super-bad is that it puts your HP at 1 so you either CF or Heal out of death's door, or the boss' next attack triggers another DR, or death. Like how that fucking doll killed me in Chapter 1 until I gave into EGnosisConverting it to>Each DR trigger at >100 is -100 and guaranteed>Each DR trigger at <100 is -50% and is a % chance equal to the DRWould be a hell of a thing. I'm not going to even try and think what that would do to the meta.
>>581693294yeah 4-5 triggers per fight should be fine for madnessyou see degenerate ass 10% triggers on some madness clears but i dont think balancing around that is good for the game
>>581694138If some people want to edge around DR Triggers <50% for an hour, I think they've got bigger problems that no amount of balancing will fix.Hoped Faint would augment DR triggers so we'd have enough HP to survive another attack without suffering another DR trigger; But hey, GFaint eventually, right?
>>581608247Which Awakener would you like to see a G version of that is incredibly unlikely to actually happen>GWinkle>"I actually love the dark. I'm going to sleep for 8 hours. WITHOUT A NIGHT LIGHT!"
>>581695849i think gWinkle is one of the more likely ones no?
>>581695849GAuritaCaro RealmRouse & Exalt still trigger Aqua Realm Tentacles>First Dual-Realm Awakener
>>581696197Winkle doesn't even have her own Event, let alone a PsycheDive. She ain't getting a G prefix before Jenkins or her sister.
dead thread
>>581608247>Milking Ogier
>>581691294in general i agree, but imo it should be complicated or else you get too tempted to do it.I do feel like death resistance scamming with turn rewind is too far because it's just too good and too easy. I'd like death resistance scamming with fight reset to stick around though.
>>581707047btw, in terms of how you could implement scam-proof death resistance, you'd roll a 100-sided die 100 times at run or battle start and those numbers in order would be the results of your death resistance rolls, and if for a given proc the number is higher than your current DR you fail and die.
page 10 lmfao
>Intimate sex between Leonora and Lotan as Ramona: Timeworn watches from her cuckchair
>Not between 24 with Jenkins in the cuckchairfor shame
>[Traphase] Balance Adjustments>"Lotan: Cetarchon">Exalt "Abyssbound Leviathan": DMG decreased from 35 to 30.>Skill "Duelist's Pact": Arithmetica Cost increased from 1 to 2.>Skill "Blade of Perdition": DMG dealt decreased from 6 to 4.
>>581722754Traphase is saved
>constant pity bumping
>>581728285We're all saving our energy for GOgier tomorrow!
>>581680798Smooch the Mouch
Not sure if I could find time for testing Gogier tomorrow but I look forward to the discourse.
The numbers lie. Gogier will be GREAT
>>581731168for the first time im gonna wait for replays and opinions before pullinggotta lock in on my dtide teams
>>581680798Mooch will never have another Skin. She is legally condemned to never have another * Skin, let alone ** or ***
>>581734471Why? The devs managed to get a deal where she's permanently available, I'm sure they would be allowed to make skins for her.
>>581735001If not even Ramona can get a *** Skin then I doubt the pity rescue kitten will.
>>581722754GLOTAN NERFSGLOTAN NERFSGLOTAN NERFSGLOTAN NERFS
>>581722754>>581736635can you dispel her challenge thingy?
>One of the characters on my team got buffedlollmao>>581736735No, not possible to dispel sadly.
>>581737231but it kills my carry..
>>581739135it's more expensive now and Ramona got indirectly nerfed through Mouchette's wheel so the team might not exist anymore
>>581739414Yeah the Doomsday nerf is huge. That wheel covered up a lot of Ramona's weaknesses. That said I think Ramona should've been the one nerfed instead but whatever.
Who would win a race and why?>Arachne>Castor>Nautila>Tawil
>>581743194Can Nautila use her uh... vehicle? If so then her.
>>581745728Okay. That's on me. Forgot Nautilus has a mono-bike she's been tooling up for ages.Let's change it to an obstacle course cum race. Who's winning then?
[good news]i remembered to do my traphase quest this time and got it done in 4 games with lotan strike spam
>>581746515that's oddly specific...
morinight
time to archive
Traphase hours
why corrosion exist fuck retard developer
>>581758771Many are asking this
>in maintenance How could they do this to me? I haven't done my dailies...
>whisper nerfratniggers in tearsglotan nerfs seem minimal
How much longer till the game is up?
>>5817733963 min
>>581770528Increased arith cost on the lock on is a big deal I think
>>5817733962 hours but it's usually done before scheduled time
c....czn...
>still downit's over
czn faster maintenance kek
>still upit's under
>Maintenance extendedczn won
gogier killed the game
more delaysmore silvertime to break out the moridevs voodoo dolls
Damn first extended maintenance since I played the game
undertow?more like undermaintenance hahahahaha
CZN recently had a maintenance with no extension for the first time (two patches ago), and now Morimens has an extention for the first time that I remember.Pottery.
it's up
>>581788114Thanks anon.
Gogier has some cool animations...>they gave him gay bulge
what is there to do this patch if you don't plan on pulling gogier?
>>581790517Save up for G-Tulu?
>>581790517prepare for the witch and finish dtide
Hmm let me borrow a whaled Gogier...Bros...?
uhhh wheres the gogier supports? did every whale quit?
>>581790915very creative
???Where's her weakness effect...?
>>581791601 (Me)Not showing on the description, but it's still applying weakness. Weird...
About 10 days in, still not the best at making teams. How's this look?Can I get some advice from more experienced anons?
got him to e3he does not feel very goodcorrosion from his 2 cost is pitiful even at 700 str and generates less shields than base Ogierhe does gain str pretty fast but i'm pretty sure that's mostly from his wheelso just pull his wheel and put it on Kath or something
>>581791939thats fine yeah, lily usually goes on either poison teams or if you need healing outside carofor this team you're lacking someone who applies weakness but other than that it's fine
>Gogier in 15 pulls >his WoD in 50AIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEE. I'm out of Silver.
This was expensive but there is nothing else to save up for anyway. Not sure how to build him actually.
>>581792506he edgy boy
>>581792506
>>581792506wao grats anon, let us know how he does
>>581792506Based! I don't think paradox is very good on him. I'm considering using twisted twins white, feast from afar, burial grounds or 3 cocoon 3 twisted twins black.
>>581790915what a disappointmentthey really didn't care about him huh
>>581793014NTA but if you have AA and wanna go for fat corrosion hits paradox is pretty good, your options are better for a lower investment support/defensive build
Trying out an AA support and it feels decent.
>>581792774You think I'm good at this game?>>581793014Maybe. I wanted to try out this covenant because I have no other use for it.
>>581793151the extra crit on the 2 cost is not worth increasing your OE to 240 aliemus on a character whose main source of shielding and STR is the exalt
>>581790915ogier oathbound going to feel so shit in 1 week lmao
>>581793136they really didn't
Got e3 gogier and e3 wheel in 292 pulls, super average result.Since I felt underwhelmed by borrowed AA, I'm just gonna stop here and use him as a pchaos bot.
biav running out of money...
I thought Gogier's strike E2 would lower Glotan's long blade two times but it doesn't
>>581797140Trigger twice but you only played the card once.
>>581797606No fun allowed huh
>network busy, please try again laterat least give me a button to exist then. holy kusoge
I refuse to believe GOgier was playtested on madness.
>>581799960strongest dps in the game
>>581800198yeah I'm sure he can do that in 30 turns of strength stackingSaya can do 600-900k corrosion turn 1
>>581799960I doubt he was playtested at all. Maybe E12 LVL90 Gogier is INSANE. But at my bottom floor level it's impossible.
>can't apply vulnerable>can't dispel fragile>no alertCorrosion is such a meme...
>>581800198Yeah fucking right he's hitting 3 million on an ability with 4x ATK scaling and 17x STR scaling. Who is he trying to fool?
First wild Gogier madness clear appeared. Absolute whale territory though.
>>581800901I'm not in-game, could you post the stat screen with dmg dealt and shielding please?
>>581801131Here it is. I think this guy is probably one of if not THE best player in the entire English speaking community though. So don't trust him much on general performance.
>>581800901>>581801552gogierdoubters are we kneeling yet?
>>581801552Thank you. I was expecting Hameln to have done the vast majority of the damage because I thought he would be the trigger, but I think I figured out what he's probably doing. He's likely doublecasting GOgier's Spear whose first hit applies the corrosion and the second hit consumes the entirety of the applied corrosion, essentially quadrupling the damage of the hit.
Gogier-sama... I kneel.
Damage of Gogier per turn for reference
>>581800901>>581801767 (me)Wait, the doublecast doesn't even have to be through Hameln, it can be through Saya's copied cards. Yeah this seems relatively powerful, I'll need to playtest it later when I get the chance to play.Thanks again for posting.
>>581800901Saya and Caroboo's backs are creaking under the weight of two bricks.
>>581800901He has terrible anti synergy with Blade of the Titan btw, not sure why that person is playing him on it. It's just a crit rate stat stick.
>>581800901april and giant blade wow that gogier build is terrible
>>581801552wish we could also see strength generated but alas
Second clear, this is just a lily sidegrade (if not downgrade) though.>>581803698>>581803797You can't exactly customize your support, especially on the first few hours or banner.
>>581802106>draw spear, deal damage>don't draw spear, deal no damagesounds about right
>>581803797>>581803698Which wheel instead?>>581800901>57 turnsSo much fun
>>581804471I think that the BiS setup for shielding should be his own wheel, Alva wheel, with feast covenant.
>>581804471his SR or +12 Dream of the Sea
>>581804471+12 pollux wheel if you are rich
Gogier reminded me of the one handed sword stance from artorias in darksouls.
>>581797132impossible
>>581800402Teams do not need vulnerable or weakness. Rewind the gazes in the first fight until they give vulnerable/weakness symptoms.
the math on double played sin stained spear damage is:300% str scaling from base card1200% str scaling from endless shadow2.5x multiplier from undertow stacksthen, x5 due to two copies of the card being played and one instance of 3x corrosion damage.this ultimately leads to 18,750% str scaling. his kit is annoying and kind of sucks but this is a number.
>>581792506>ParadoxOh hey, I also put that on him. After having the past 4 or 5 awakeners with 150/200 base aliemus, him having 120 feels trivial for 20% more crit/damage/shields on his cards. 3 Undertow stacks adding 150% final damage to his Strike and 2-cost feels ridiculous (until I remember GLotan is a thing). Not a very exciting image relic, though.
GOgier has a huge spear is he compensating for something or is it an allegory?
>>581810072>reset-farming symptoms to cover team flawsThis is the kind of autism I truly admire.
https://youtu.be/eiOyeU03CxY
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thanks Flares I will pull E1 G-Ogier to oneshot nightmare difficulty bosses in my AA Tawil Arachne team
>>581811638to get the 1200% str scaling you need to spend 5 arithmetica on the X-cost or get a bunch of copies of it through like Saya and I'm not sure the second cast keeps the str bonus (it very likely doesn't because Pollux for example doesn't get double atonement)also you lose the 150% final damage when exaltingreally interesting character but incredibly conditional
>>581814424I just played through Train mode and multiple uses of his X-cost will stack the extra 2-cost strength modifier, even when used at 0 arithmetica. Also, his X-cost automatically stops using arithmetica after 5. So if you have 7, the X-cost would spend 5, then you would have 2 left for his juiced-up 2-cost.
>>581812962>TL;DWdont pull unless whale, but can do meme numbers if paired up with 2/3 of the most premium supports every team wants
>>581815281does double casting the 2 cost let the second cast keep the str bonus?should be pretty easy to tell if there's leftover corrosion as long as they both crit or both don't crit
>>581814424its too autistic, you spend the whole time wanting to draw endless shadow and sin stained spear and nothing lines upI don't think the second cast of sin stained spear keeps the str bonus which is a big problem for the double play spear game plan, Thais gets around it by letting you play three spears but it's just too messed up, and this is without undertow giving you -3 draw every turni do think his OE is actually extremely good with portrait at least because you don't ever want to exalt so getting extra value on it when you're forced to it goodbut I have no idea how to actually make any of this work, even Dreams of Medicine is starting to look good
>>581818243Replace Thais with Ogier.
>>581818243yeah it's a stall team that wants to stack up strength, the team you posted won't really work above hard
>>581816147I haven't tried it with double casting abilities yet, but I'll check that the next time. Stuff like Kath's fiamma stacks don't stay for the second activation when you double cast her cards, though, so I have a feeling it is the same for GOgier.
>>581812962>keeps repeating that he could totally do 4 million corrosion if only there was a whale with a properly built GOgierdelusionalalso advising people to build damage amp on a strength scaler is mildly evil
>>581822538This replay:>>581818590got up to 2.5 million corrosion so it's not like it's impossible. You'd "just" need a 300 CD gogier and 15000 str.
>>581822991I'm the one who posted the screencap but sadly that was one of the dr rewind aboose clear. To keep Gogier at 3 Undertow stacks the guy was forced to stop using Gogier exalt in an exalt spam comp, it's so sad.
>>581822991you are never getting to 15000 STR and even if you somehow manage to do it, an Uvhash exalt will be doing 10+ million damage at that point
>>581823569The turn unique restriction on SSS is such a turbocuck and will make him borderline unplayable outside of chaos portrait weeks
>>581823947a 30x uvhash exalt has one fifth the str scaling of a fully loaded E3 ogier SSS + corrosion, SSS+corrosion combined is far and away the highest str scaling thing in the game, it has the same str multipliers as a 100arith hyperflarebut SSS is also the most horrific pain in the ass ability to use in game
>>581824707what are you talking about
>>581824863use that tiny pigeon brain of yours anon. i believe in you.
D-Tide is going back to the old format with added A6 and A7
Oh so they do trying to fix it. Now.
>>581825370
>>581825370It's not quite the old format, its still only 5 points for an extra clear. I dont expect it'll feel different for hard/nightmare players.
>>581825614It was always 5 points for an extra clear thoughbeit
>>581825826oh i'm an idiot, harder stages are only worth 5 points now. AND extra gnosis per rotation which helps the gnosis vs refined imbalance. morigenerous.
went to pity twice, got pandia and alva and zero gOgierit's a sign to not pull
>>581825370this saved morimens
>>581825021if you're talking about this >>581811638it's completely wrong
>>581826635really? can you explain how? the only part thats wrong is that the second attack won't have the shadow scaling anymore and the corrosion will need more help to get triggered.
useless fun fact:fully maxxed out agrippa generates more shield and str at base than gOgier and they both benefit from his WoD (obviously gOgier mogs with his multipliers but not the point)
>>581827319yes that's the one
>>581828239wow... you're fucking useless
damn gOgier's WoD is OP on kathonly took her 24 turns to kill castor!
>>581828687I don't care that X amount of corrosion is applied through strength scaling when Saya can apply 300k corrosion on a 0 cost right from turn 1 while being able to use it multiple times a turn with no restrictions.Loading your teams with supports to let him get 1 big hit is useless when there won't be anyone to capitalize on the applied corrosion.
>>581828693You joke but this is the only clear with that specific comp with 0 DR proc on w2 madness
>>581829472it makes no sense not to proc DR in that team, you're spending all of phase 1 nursing a hyperflare so might as well collect some silver keys to make it even bigger. Most players would just let it happen at the end of phase, theres no reason not to, thats actually a fight kath is good into even though the strategy is slow and boring.
>>581831214madness is all about the flex tho
the cat has spoken
>>581835087we got alert 7 before gta 6
10 teams meta is back god fucking bless
>>581825370>>581825571>>581835087Great changes. Curious how the scaling is going to work if t7 is supposed to be madness. People are assuming that they're just adding alert 6-7 but in the old system madness would've been alert 8-9. My guess is that t5 is still going to be harder than a5 but not by as much as nightmare is.Whatever the case, 10 teams coming back is amazing and it's what made the previous system one of the best end game systems in gacha.
>>581608247QRD? How is he, haven't been following discussion because work and Limbus.
But what of Morimens' premier endgame mode, Traphase?These seem like good changes, happy for you guys.
>>581838787>>581815919
>>581838787we don't know yet, his kit is full of conditions and restrictions making him moderately difficult to play for most peoplewhales are clearing with him but all of the teams are using a bunch of other whaled out units that would've probably cleared anyway
>>581838849I'm expecting a couple of traphase characters for anni, or at least Caraboo.
Do I need to invest prototype horizons into this team or is it good without any extra investment?I want to try out Arachnee and I've never actually touched Pollux.
>>581840792Its a good team on its own but e1 Pollux isn't going to be doing too much damage, he'd be better at E3 but I would save your horizons. You could swap him out for Jenkin and she'd work just fine at popping Castor's corrosion stacks while also boosting his crit damage with her exalt
>>581840792Pollux kind of wants E3 or OE for his optimal performance but you can run him E1 and rely on posse+rouse sin generation for scaling, main difference is that you won't have 1 turn bursts like with OE. Arachne wants E3 eventually but not mandatory. Almost the exact team I'm using except I can't go april tribute because I struggle to survive the first few fights with it.
We appreciate the Flares guide in the OP. Thank you
>>581839762>>581839495I'll pass then.
Is gMurphy worth rolling on? Feel like she got powercrept since her release.
>>581840156Would be cool to get more Traphase characters, even at a slower rate
>>581842481she hasn't been powercrept but her team certainly fell off with nightmare and madnessthere's a good chance she'll be relevant again with GTulu
Would Arknights contingency contract work as a game mode or is it a terrible idea?Basically you choose your own difficulty modifiers (more health, more damage, less arithmetica, no wardens, etc.) and get points based on that.I guess the old PDive had a little bit of that with the madness difficulty.
>>581846051it's a neat concept but difficult to balance, for example stuff like "no wardens" can be free points some teams that aren't playing a warden anywayI wasn't a huge fan of the old pdive (nor the current one) but from what I remember you could get a pretty high score by just maxing out enemy damage and leaving them at low health to be 1shot by a whale support
>>581848361Yeah, there's a lot of modifiers that are possible but I don't know if it would be interesting or if there would be a dominant meta team where the characters are too strong to care about the rules. If you want teambuilding restrictions then it would need to require multiple teams but maybe that overlaps with Dzone too much.
>>581851032to be honest dzone is already fun enough with 10 teams because there's interesting decision making about which waves to tackle at a higher difficulty with 1 team or at a lower difficulty with 2 teamsI'm not even sure why the devs decided to mess with this particular aspect of it when it was easily the most liked aspect of the mode
guys.... I dont think this gogier unit is very good
>>581855223you want a team that can stall and scale strengthhe's just a fair character with an honest kit while people have been getting used to unfair characters
>>581855919gLotan is quite fair too so probably on purpose
>>581855919if I want to play fair, I play Vortice or Pontos and Gog cant play with eitherKath is fair but Gog doesnt work with her eitherXu is fair but he doesnt scale poison24 is fair but he bricks herpollux can be fair but he doesnt scale with strwho's left? Jenkin??
>>581856936Hameln, Ryker, Salvador, Leigh, Thais, GRamona (lets you replay his Sin Stained Spear), Pickman, Doresain, Clemare all characters that have some synergy with him
>>581857690 (me)forgot to mention Leigh needs AA but it's pretty insane for him
WildMassGuessingTIMEWhat will Arc 3 revolve around?
>>581862908EoS
>>581862908hopefully back to mythag
Guess I will try a full DPS build for him but I don't have enough mats to build a new decent covenant.
>>581864103his covenant isn't that important, just run whatever you have with crit rate on 1, 2, 3
played a lot today, GOgier is fun!morinight
>>581864103The shota has decided he wants to be on top now.Do you accept?> Y / Y ?
>>581862908Mythag timeskip, we're buddies with N now
death resist
czn no death resist kek
czn bump
>dtide changes difficulties>nobody talks about it/mori/...?
>>581887369omg omg devs listened massive W
13 million burst
>>581891547Castor and Arachne carrying two bricks hard.
pickphase is alright
>>581887369everynyan has already left
What are the actual triggers for new Communicator messages? I know you can get them from story progress and rolling a character the first time. Do the follow up convos (like Alva saying adding the dogs encouraged more students to attend her class), just happen after a few real world days?
Chinese 525 whale thinks he is the weakest arc 2 character in the game.
codeFXFB-EAYD-PWBM
>>581904391Thanks
>>581904391Thank you saar, I have redeemed.
>>581902725I mean it's either him or doorstain yeah.
Bros, which wheel from the Sediment shop do I max out first? I got all of them at A3 already.
is this game better than czn
>>581904793Either the keyflare one or realm mastery one, max the one you want to use more first.
Traphase Report: Just played a couple games post-patch so far, wins against a Castor/Pollux team and a Vortice/Arachne team to beat back a losing streak I had over the weekend. The buffs had no effect on those matches but they felt good.Not seeing any GLotan teams so far after the nerf. I'm looking through the teams in the top 50 too and hardly anyone is playing her now. Less Ramona than usual as well. I think this is good since those 2 together were pretty cancer. For now I'm seeing a lot of different teams and nobody's settled on any meta yet. Also RIP Jenkin.
pwned my way to legendary and it was too easy
>>581908226That was fast. Very impressive.
battlepass premium subscription expired
>>581908226Just lost to a chinese player with this exact fucking team, it's over.
>>581910790just ran into this exact team on two different players and its always terminal cancer
>>581909808nyo...
>>581908226What's the rest of your deck oh wise one?
I wonder if Ogier's princess will be playable and they will end up like Pollux and Castor.
>>581911612thinking about memory spiral instead of dusk or maybe that +2 arith limit instead of rat, tends to get hand-constipated and I always want to keep drawing through for all the exodia cards
>>581911331>>581911863which team wins?
>>581912249wouldn't be cancer if I was winning
>>581858029>Leigh needs AA butBut that's an easy condition, since we all love Leigh here.
>>581914168where's your scintilla bwo
>>581914168holy shit those stats
>>581914312First, that's an old screenshot. Second, I haven't had the time to grind it out. What's the best way to do it, anyway? Spamming Train mode?
>>581900943Not 100% sure either but I think there's a cap on how many messages can appear at the same time so new ones start popping up once you complete old ones.Also you get a guaranteed message when you unlock a character's AA.
>>581915550doesn't need higher stats with how strong her kit is
>>581915571Yeah, Madness trainGramona + affinity wheels + support (Glotan is the best option because pchaos) and then exalt spam with your farming target and stall until you lose and quit. Rinse and repeat
>>581915902Now that I think of it Gogier might be a better support option for affinity farming since he helps to stall longer, as you don't really care about winning
>>581891547I'm sure AA Castor's 5x Corrosion has had nothing to do with it.
>>581917542he actually didn't touch castor at all, it's all tawil's AA + sUltra
>>581911819make her purple in pvp so we can have a loli only team.
>>581918318Wrong. Castor was roused and you can see the Sin Stained Spear's second cast deal 990k damage and trigger 4.9 million corrosion instead of the 2.9 million he should've gotten without Castor on the team.AA Castor is a major component to this team's burst damage.
I feel like Aigis generally isn't helping beyond vulnerable application, any suggestions on who should replace her?
>>581919813Helot
>>581919074why would flares lie..
>>581919813aegis exalt is amazing tho, and you want vuln anyway
>>581919813Vulnerable is more important than whatever else you could put in her spot
>>581919813Her exalt petrifies once giving you a free turn to fuck em up.
>>581906016Was Jenkin even played that much in all pick? She was very strong in draft but never really saw her much elsewhere.
>>581921993She used to be very common, fell off, and then pops up from time to time(although not usually as a top tier).
but is it enough?
>>581842078speak for yourself, pajeet
Kind of weird how there was no communication with GDoll during Doresain's arc, when they mentioned an invader I actually thought it might be GDoll bursting in to to rescue the Keeper.
>>581919970I don't mind when he's wrong but it kind of annoyed me when he lashed out at a viewer for pointing out the AA Castor. And then proceeded to double down on the claim that Castor isn't doing anything for the team.
>>581925690yeah true, he probably didn't remember castor's AA effect (i didn't know either until you just said it), and to play devil's advocate, the combo he showcases would still do a fuckton of dmg if the boss didn't die, since he didn't even get to proc all the corrosion anyway
>>581926329Something is clearly bugged there but hard to tell what exactly. The devs will probably figure it out soon.
>>581902725Meanwhile Flares does 4m damage with subpar built GOgier borrows.
>>581927987it's a meme build with AA tawil + arachne tho, gotta make that clear for newcuties
>>581927987post flares dtide score
>>581929115>>581891547
>>581902725he's awful. he's the worst arc2 character even on portrait week without the undertow debuff, can you even imagine how trash he's going to be next week? and he's not even fun, he's actively anti-fun on top of it, but also he is trash garbage bad.
I think GOgier is fun and very strong in the right team. If you just slap him on a random team and expect him to perform then it's not happening.
>>581930292if you slap him on ANY team and expect him to perform it's not happening
>>581930440objectively not true, he just requires you to build him up and put in work to make him do his thing, and for that purpose he does work wellbut at the end of the day he's just a dps with some shielding backup, it's just a matter of whether you like his playstyle or not
>>581930440Which teams have you tried?
They always can "buff" him by giving another awakener that have synergy and G-Tulu is very soon anyway. Will be forgotten in couple of patches. At least base Ogier has shield and vuln....
>>581930680that's true for most DPS units in gacha, supports can always find a new niche but "honest" DPS will always be subject to getting powercrept and replaced in the meta
>>581930602>>581930672he sucks complete ass. like this is very obvious once you play him. you need to stop using his exalt ever to deal damage with him at all because it takes 3 turns (realistically, 5+ turns) to restack undertow. You need to play X for 5 in between each time you want to deal corrosion with him, and while you're doing all of this you're no longer allowed to exalt. the levels of support to alternate spear and X for 5 plays consistently do not exist in the game and even if they did they would be better used on something that is not this.and during this period where you're holding exalt he will be drawing THREE FEWER CARDS PER TURN next week. it's just abominable.
I feel like people want him to be a second Ogier as in a primary shielder/support. Yes, he can build STR and help stall under pressure, but his main role is to deal very high damage under the right conditions as long as you play into his gameplan.
>>581931205if his primary role is damage dealer why do you have to not play exalt and why do you draw three fewer cards per turn while you're in damage dealing mode?the reality is he is bad at both because his shield numbers are underpowered for no reason, but the game actively mechanically punishes you for doing the damage dealing thing
>>581931491I don't think you're expected to stay on 3 undertow for long. I think the devs designed him to kill very quickly at that point so you can move on to the next fight and then use the exalt/OE at the start of that fight and do the entire STR/undertow build up all over again.Also a roused Hameln helps a ton with mitigating the -draw to some extent.
There's a free wheel selector in your mailbox after they fixed a pull rate text display issue.
>>581931874his exalt gives 70str with three undertow stackshow is that going to help
>>581932293it's random, open it nyow!
got by rose alone, is it actually good on the jellyfish?
>>581932383The thing with building strength is that every bit helps.
>>581932638>>581932293nice
>>581932293>>581932638I'll take it, thanks!
>>581932638>queen's edict(wanda's wheel)Kinda shit, but it's new and I was never gonna roll for it so I'll take it.
>>581933375it's really good in traphase
currently fortress-slop maxxing wish I got a queen's edict
>>581904391Wake up it's free code time.
>>581932638>it's randomSorry, I'm retarded. Mine wasn't very exciting.
>>581928512you sound mad
>>581932821it's not horrible
>>581904391thanks
>>581933926Wish the devs would buff some of the older wheels that aren't too useful in the current state of the game. Not even Ryker uses that wheel anymore which is a shame because it has a really cool and interesting effect.
>>581935458it seems ok, i see a lot of rykers using it (I use it too its a lot of CR). i think wod balance is pretty decent and everything feels usable, the one that I think is just excessively weak is the aurita jellyfish wod.
>>581936009Even the jellyfish one isn't THAT bad in the context of it being a f2p stat stick. Like you wouldn't use it in a whaled out team most likely, but as a free +12 crit wheel? It's not terrible.
>>581936009I think it's pretty good on GOgier if you have it at +12.28.8% Crit Rate alongside 9% ATK as strength at the start of the fight and then 3% ATK as strength per turn is overall a decent amount of permanent strength.
>>581936410it's something like +72str total on turn 10, it's just a weak effect that wasn't buffed when all the random outdated arc1 str gain cards were buffed.
>>581937562yeah but it's still one of the few free crit rate wheels you can +12your other options are path forsaken, fouette and drifting in desire all of which are somewhat niche and their passives do basically nothing for GOgier
Fun fact: I have NEVER pulled on this wheel's banner. It's all from "randomly get x wheel" thingamajig.
>>581921993Jenkin was very strong in Traphase all pick recently with Whisper which was an insanely good wheel for her. 10 aliemus per skill card, so when she spams rat cards she can legitimately exalt twice in a single turn. Whisper just got nerfed to max 5 triggers so that drops her a lot.
OG > G
>>581944136this team is almost certainly the design benchmark for the game, hopefully they never deviate from it
>>581933640I saw a couple Uvash while browsing the top 50 profiles in Traphase which I believe is a new development. Kind of nice to see because he was on my very first Traphase team.Also Arachne JUST got nerfed and somehow I'm seeing more of her now than before the patch. And she is strong.
>>581944136murphy > gmurphyramona >= gramonaogier >>>>> gogierlotan > glotanghelot = helotonly GDoll wins (and Doll is really good)
>>581942732guess account seeds are real
>>581944136I genuinely have no idea how this team survives the madness trash fights, let alone beat them in 6 turns like this person managed to do.
>>581948079that clear got gazed nine timesthe one here got gazed 51 times
yet another carbon copy pollux team I've seen 5 or 6 of these fuckers, at least the arith limit team somehow won
>>581949260oh then the first one skipped one or more fights because he cleared trash in 36 turns which is exactly 6 turns per fight if you beat everythingI'd still be interested to see how he did it though, shame we can't watch replays of people's non-boss fights
glotan team I can play?
>>581944136After testing out GOgier a decent bit, OGgier is definitely better in most teamssomewhat unrelated but AA Alva also felt like a surprisingly good support and a better shielder than GOgier (which isn't saying much)
>>581954062>AA Alva also felt like a surprisingly good support Alva stocks are going up! Makes me wish Gogier E2 was on her.
>>581953176Her most common team this dzone is on w1 to help you get to the boss and it's Lotan/GLotan/Saya/flex (usually Ryker or Ramona). This is a burst team with no survivability though.A general purpose GLotan team is usually using either a caro core with any combination of Thais/Leigh/Caraboo/Saya/Salvador (ideally at least one sustain), or an ultra core with Arachne/Horla and then Mouchette in the last slot.
>>581954062How will this change when Gogier makes you draw 3 fewer cards start of turn?
>>581955698So Lotan, Caraboo, Salvador and Mouchie as an example?
>>581956679Sure. Mouchette is usually seen in the ultra team but should work in the caro one.
>>581957706Oh yeah, I get you. but I don't know what the spider do
>>581960225gigabuffs the first card you play in a turn letting GLotan 1 shot rooms with her 4 cost after rouse if you're using GLotan's posse
train is such a time sink holyi started a run and before i knew it almost 3hrs went by
>>581964323just borrow a clem whale and 1 shot everything to save time
>>581965412yeah i usually borrow and oneshot the whole thing when i dont feel like playing but today i went madness without borrowing and it took way longer than expected
>>581964323I keep telling myself I'll do hard next time but I still end up wasting hours in madness...
>>581969212all for SF mats that will be useless in arc 3yay!
>>581948079Check the deck for each clear, most madness clears got gazed multiple times.
>>581973592we love gazes tho, better than getting raped every turn with 3k dmg
I’ve taken the GOgier-Hameln pill and I'm not hating it. Using GRamona and the fourth spot is available for the princess. Might be nicer when we unlock his posse and can ult then undertow stack faster, but then again PChaos makes it annoying to get the right posse.
>>581971229My suspicion is p-dive will be moved to arc2 ruleset, and the arithHarmony changes in HSR were a test for arc3 (perhaps unsuccessful)Not sure what will become of arc1 ruleset, would be great if traphase got replaced with an arc1 monthly better balanced than p-dive.
>>581976158nah light said p-dive is legacy content that they dont wanna touch, it's the only arc 1 content left so i doubt they'll change it at allwhat i wonder is if they'll move d-tide to arc 3 or keep it in arc 2 and make a new mode
There's no longer any lv90 doll in my friendlist..... I just want to meme.....
>>581977965there probably is but the game doesn't show you all of your friends' support characters for whatever reason so you'll need to favorite ones you use frequently
With soulforge becoming useless in arc 3 its going to make a lot of characters fall off hard. Lemurians in shambles
>>581976039I am never changing the posse from mouse's wisdom to anything else. Being able to rouse Hameln for free round 1 is a game changer.
>>581978530nope, they will create arc 3 talents that brings everyone up to par and lemurians will shine on their own without being tied to eachother and they will not fuck it up, trust the plan
>>581979501I have no trust left in me boss...I'm tired...
>>581976609Could they at least move it to Arcade?
>>581978706Pchaos really made the entire Ham experience infinitely smoother
discordians having a melty over gOgier...
>>581984006P-dive with train numbers might actually make me want to play it
>no Nymphaea deepdive
>>581984118What is it this time? That he's too strong or too weak or what?
>>581984118When aren't they having a melty? Every since they realized they can throw a fit and get light to change shit it's been blood in the water for them.
>>581986162he sucks ass
24 Chaos is so fun in boss but she's so bad in mobs.
>>581904391Thanks bro, have a (you)
>miriam + mouse's wisdom p chaos>turn 2 end of beliefholy SHIT
>>581990484>miriamI wonder if I should get Miriam in anticipation of GTulu. I'm not really into her design or personality so I've been skipping her so far. Or maybe I'll just wait and see if she spooks me during my GTulu rolls.
>>581993381she can't spook you on a rate up banner because she's not a standard (but she can appear on standard banner very rarely)i wouldn't have many expectations about nu tulu, people are confidently saying miriam/tulu/gmurphy will be his BiS but he might be some random garbage unit like gogier
>>581993797>because she's not a standardOh lol, I completely forgot, that's how much I've been ignoring her until now
>>581993797I'm pretty confident he will replace either normal tulu or golaith in pure lemurian for the simple reason that neither does a whole lot in the team and are mostly just there because they are the least bad characters with a lemurian tag. The only way he doesn't is if he lacks the tag himself.
>>581994594tulu increases tentacle damage taken by enemies by 50% totally passively, goliath boosts damage on the burst turn by 50%i don't want the lemurian team improved anyways i'd like it to be dead in arc3
>>581984552Meant more like consolidating like Modes. But yeah, consecutive Arc 1 style Investigations would be nice.
>>581944136>only 2 limited wheels and they're just +1 evenHow do I cope being so bad at this game?
>>581984118Discord always has a melty about everything. I have no respect left for them.
>>581998732>I have no respect left for them.I'm surprised you even started with any respect for them.
>>582001572Got to respect the groomcord for how many children they sent to Mar-Lago
After testing GOgier out some more he feels pretty good in poison with GDoll + Xu as a pchaos botYou can rouse Xu t1 and use his x-cost to easily trigger Xu's resonance
>GOgier, Jenkin, Lily, and Aigis are putting on another playMy dead children are so adorable
jerkin my jenkin
Chaos Zero Naitomare
Ugh Gogier as solo dps into a mob fight is painful
>>582024182I will check it out just to see it's more fun and approachable.
>>582026212but he's a warden!
I don't understand why less than 10% of the steam players have completed story for chapter 5 and beyond. It's been a real enjoyable experience.
>>582033730That's just how shit on steam works. Look at any game and you'll see a similar trend. There is always a point where player completion drops off.
