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Shipfags get the rope.
>>581710043>Sonic's favourite food is chill dogs. Tails: mints; Knuckles: grapes; Shadow: pizza, Doritos, Snickers, Hot Pockets...What about Eggman and Amy? Eggman in particular interests me - do you think he's a gourmet fine diner or a serial fast food binger?
Have a lovely sunday morning!!
Sally
>>581710643Thanks, you too.
What are the Black Arms in the Boomverse like?
Leave it to Amybesties to the shit whole thread because another character got her bio updated to like ice cream.Not mentally ill between.
>>581710846Why did it specifically have to be soft-serve ice cream, though? It'd be like Shadow's being updated to chili dogs instead of hot dogs.
>>581710765BOOOOOOOO!
IT KEEPS HAPPENING BRO
>>581710295is the best couple
Lots of Sallys
>>581710951Because it always was, it was specifically soft serve ice cream in advance 3 japanese strategy guide and prior to that, the ice cream she was eating in advance 2 was soft serve in looks.I don't think there's definite proof she ''stole'' it from amy in her creation either considering both amy and cream only get the ice cream association in X era with cream technically outdating it, unless theres obscure 90s internal info idk about amy.
>>581710809YaySo there's 2 of you, huh?
>>581710170>GR15
>>581711283He doesn't romantically like Blaze.
>>581708951Why wouldn't he?>>581707646I dont see how anyone can interpret this as anything other than Ian trying to force his headcanon agenda.
>>581710951Uh-uh, you're not memoryholing the development in the previous thread >>581703041
>>581711637>Professor, I had that dream again
>>581710845Sarcastic and self-hating. Amy redeems them with a therapy circle and Sonic hangs out with them and fist bumps (This is why I hated Sonic Boom so much)
>>581711330>>581710951I have to at least post these images befor eleaving this topic in case the few threads become something about lore team or nishiyama
Shipping daughter or powerscaling son?
>>581711437Oh, that. Yeah, you can ignore him. He's not even a regular here. He was here when I posted that I hold some Amy pics for you and thought he'd be funny and "pass a message" because he knew I wasn't around. I basically said whatever man, just tell them to have a nice day or something, I can't post anything until I'm back. I didn't think he'd post ALL of that. Anyway, I think he got into his own head. He gets nervous when he gets attention. Probably won't be back for a while. Nice guy, though.But he did share your replies with me. That was very nice of you to say, thank you.
>>581710643You too Amyanon!
>>581711735Boomverse, not IDWverse moron
>>581711792Fratricide!
>>581711845That's how Boom was - sarcastic and self-deprecating millennial slop
>>581710846I criticized this about cream a long timr ago. I never said It was changed to begin with. I was of the belief it was always like that and was always indicative of them just copy pasting Amy and making some changes in order to make Cream.
>>581711503Anon, no one else knows what that is. This thread is gonna get nuked so hard.
>>581712000>>581711743I am not sure if amy's ice cream association actually outdates cream though
>>581711962Shadow wasn't like thatThat group of Onis wasn;t like thatYou're misremembering what Boom was>sarcastic and self-deprecating millennial slopDoesn't explain your Amy, or SonicSonic couldnt live with Eggman
>>581711735That's the main problem with the current writing and depiction of Sonic IMO.They basically turn him into a furry X-men, an adult superhero that is super sarcastic, and competent and full of confidence and nothing surprises or startles or gets a reaction from him anymore, always with a wink and a pose.When I believe Sonic should be much more innocent than that, not innocent as naive but, innocent as a critter from nature itself.
>>581711792Gameplay and writing fraternal twin son and daughter
>>581711792both
>>581708695I hate this stupid trend. Just give me the full image.
Problematic age gap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3TQS7So6zU
Archie? Canon.
>>581712461*long-buried memories begin to emerge from the mire* AAAAAAHHHHHH
>>581710510Why does Amy's stomach have a mind of its own?
>>581712238This is like your making up rationalizations for Silver again.Amy's ice-cream love has been there since adventure era.
>>581712460Yeah, I can't wait for this shit trend to die.
>>581712328To get a good Sonic in the west, all you have to do is accurately translate the original Japanese dialogue and change the phrasing a little bit to make Sonic sound cool. Just don't make him use meta era quips, meta jokes, and self-deprecation
>>581712461Who the fuck looked at her and decided that she's supposed to be 16? She's built like a 4 year old.
First Doctor Don't of the thread : )
>>581712789I genuinely wasn't aware of it being in anything earlier than the sonic x card, thanks.
>>581712523...on Opposite Day.
I like how SEGA developers never give a fuck about development equipment and prototypes getting dumped. In fact, they're intrigued by it.https://x.com/KazuyukiHoshino/status/2101565014683603312
Awesomeness
>>581712962because that's obsolete equipment from 33 years agoSega asked the uk police to raid some collector's home to retrieve some Wii U dev kits they lost 2 years ago
>>581712789>Amy is a gold diggerRemember that the song "Follow Me" from Sonic Heroes makes her say "In my world you're gold" in reference to Sonic
>>581712962>pickme talking about sonic 2 betas in the replies
>>581712884Same mindset that kept Goten and Trunks 4 ft in DBS despite being like 14.Only now do they actually look their age.
>>581713152Searching for gold is referencing her dowsing. Its hokey translation.
Which female character gives the best thigh jobs?
>>581713108How do you just lose dev kits? And why would they want Wii U kits back?
>>581713336>How do you just lose dev kitsIt's Sega
>>581713225I never understood the explanation for this. If Saiyan biology is the reason Trunks and Goten stayed short for so long, why did Gohan gradually age into an adult?Why did Mai and Marron, who are both human, also stay short little girls until exactly the time Goten and Trunks hit their growth spurts?
>>581711804At least I hope you understand how bizarre the whole thing was to me too, right? But you guys are really lovely people, especially you. I don't know why you particulary care for lil ol me that much but it makes me happy, For sure a little highlight of the day for me while coming here.
>>581712928Why would you assume it was invented on release of X? X got it because it was info that already existed.X itself wasnt spawned in 1 day on the day it aired. That's not how these things work. Media is made by people over a course of time.
You can tell how many people here don't play Sonic games. Amy in Advance 2 is basically a secret character with her own unlock requirement. Of course she's not on the box she's a bonus not part of the main game.
>>58171350798 to 2003 is still a gap, i assumed it could be an addition in 2001-2002.
>>581713061Slop
First Doctor Deep of the thread :D
>>581713598People on this general accidentally reveal every single day that they don't play the games while trying to argue with each other
>>581713336>How do you just lose dev kitsthey were clearing an old office and sold them off by mistake>And why would they want Wii U kits back?because they probably signed some scary looking papers with nintendo and losing that equipment might get them to court. unlike some obsolete chip from 33 years ago that they made themselves and can't be really used anymore to make money
>>581713632Why?
>>581713481>At least I hope you understand how bizarre the whole thing was to me too, right?Oh, totally. I humor him because he has trouble talking to people he doesn't really know. He comes to 4chan as a kind of immersion therapy because he can post anonymously, so he prefers to post in places I do. It's not the first time this has happened, believe it or not.>But you guys are really lovely people, especially you. I don't know why you particulary care for lil ol me that much but it makes me happy, For sure a little highlight of the day for me while coming here.Thanks. I've said it before, but it's nice to have your positivity here. You're one of the anons I like to see around. I hope you're doing well.
>>581713061Nourishment
>>581713459I think it was Toriyama just being inconsistent as a writer. Gohan was 12 when he fought Cell and was drawn taller than Goten and Trunks were in Super.Mai and Marron weren't in Super Hero but they probably grew too.
https://x.com/DrawChill_S/status/2101515939887911222
>>581714010cute
>>581713598>>581713802>missing the point and or playing dumb on purposeNo shit, Sherlock. We know this. We said it explicitly. The question is "why"? Amy was in Advance 1 and prominently on the box.Advance 2 removes her and makes her an unlock hidden at the absolute back of the game. Why? Why not just have her in the game? This isn't like if they made Fang or Metal a secret unlock like in SA1DX for getting all the emblems. Its literally just a character you could already play as on the first game.
>>581713971In the manga you see how old Mai and Marron are during the time of Super Hero and they both inexplicably turn into teenagers the same time Trunks and Goten do
>While calling them the three pillars, Iizuka-san acknowledges that Modern Sonic is the main drive of the series, while Classic Sonic and the racing titles act as the supporting ones.Oh no no classicsisters we must apologise!
It's really funny to me when you sway Blaze with Honey in any of her ships it becomes infinitely better
Which male character has the biggest cock?Which male character has the tightest ass?Which male character has the loudest moans?Which male character gives the best blowjobs?Which male character produces the most semen?Which male character has the kinkiest fetishes?
>>581713459>why did Gohan gradually age into an adult?He didn't?
https://x.com/TheNovika/status/2101430195131478515
>>581669002Request to have fanart of soft-serve being Amy and Cream's Achilles'-heel.
>>581714413>CreedSend her back to the Sol dimension.
>>581714383>Which male character has the biggest cock?Knuckles>Which male character has the tightest ass?Tails>Which male character has the loudest moans?Jet>Which male character gives the best blowjobs?Silver>Which male character produces the most semen?Sonic>Which male character has the kinkiest fetishes?Shadow
Violet understands Sonic more than anyone else here. She is a the biggest fan and the perfect example of someone from sthg who can be put in charge of the Sonic franchise.
>>581713459Gohan really didn't really gradually age, he got his growth spurt (at ~ 17) at around the same time Goku did (some time prior to 19). Which is also around the time both Goten and Trunks got their's (they are around 16-17 during End of Z).The period between the end of the Buu saga and End of Z just keeps getting extended but is also pretty vague due to how long that stretch of time is.
>>581714382Does Honey have any kind of personality to be shipped with anyone.No that shippers respect character personalities most of the time but
>>581714676>Violet understands Sonic more than anyone else here.They're a furfag shiptard self inserter so no.
>>581714676Shut the fuck up Slashy.
>>581669431>>581711743The lore team..FIXED something??
>>581714737Presumably it's the same personality her original character has, though officially no.
>>581713854Because i thought that kind of stuff was decided in the X heroes era, and i did assume X was probably being conceptualized/being produced in 1-2 years.Before Hoshino said it was there since sa2 concept of shadow, many people thought limiter rings were imported from X too, for example. it happens
>>581713878I used to participate and engage a bit more here but nowadays I just wish everyone a nice day and dip out, I think is silly and cute that you basically spawncamp me to wish me a nice day too but it does make me smile.I especially appreciate it when I have rough days which happens oftenYou are new-ish to this place, right? Since I only noticed you being here kinda recently but maybe that's because we talked more indepth recently too, I dunno.
>>581714676Get a real job, sissy.
>>581713459Gohan didn't gradually grow much with age. The argument you should be using is Future Trunks.Gohan, Goten and kid Trunks in the Manga are consistent with the lore in the original Manga.Super being an interquel is mostly why the confusion exists
>>581711804>>581713481>>581713878>>581714960Amy <3
>>581714895I mean, i personally don't believe lore team has influence on Sonic channel.
>>581714960~6 months?I wouldn't say spawncamp, but if I happen to be around when you do, like not at work or something, I like to say hi.
>>581714954Okay but you have no reason to insist on any of that in the context inherently. Why insist on it? It just felt like trying to create excuses and justifications.
>>581701859>>581712789So Cream usurped Amy's love (of softserve) after all..
Stacyiona!
>>581715182>Amyfags in the /sthg/ thread currently be like:
>>581715207Metaltranny....
Fiona harassing gif doesn't go far enough. She should shove her finger up Silver's butthole and call him gay when he pulls away. She should call him a faggot.
>>581715282Roastieona...
>>581715282she is dead
>>581715241I thought X was where it originated from so i wasn't sure if amy actually outdated cream with that association and wanted to be sure.I didn't really insist on it after seeing your source of adventure bio on amy, i said i was wrong and moved on.not replying further about this topic because it isn't really worth discussing further.
>>581715270Among other things.
>>581715413Can't believe Satam/Archie Robotnik was forcibly transitioning the furries...
>>581715136If they did they would not have made the western website rebrand into an obvious Sonic Channel knockoff. "Lore Team" is literally a subsection of the SoA marketing, social media, and PR department. That alone should tell you everything you need to know about it.
I told you i killed fiona, let her rest.
>>581715490she is alive
I understand Sonic. Sonamybesties don't.
>>581715576Uh-huh...
>>581715139Ah I see, that makes more sense, how lucky then since I get blessed by getting more amys for my folder while having a nice talk with another anon. It's such a pain in the butt to go to twitter to grab some myself.
>>581715607>one of the little penguin robotsCute!
>>581715270>Cream: "Hi, Amy! Guess what?! I LOVE SO--!!"
>>581715932You understand Sonurge
Have you ever figured Sonamyfags might be nicer if you didn't keep calling them "Sonamybesties"?
>>581715961Understandable. It's a terrible place to go. I think I'm gonna go grab some food here shortly, so enjoy the rest of your day!
HANDS UP THIS IS A ROBBERY!
Did you guys really argue over soft served ice cream being the favorites of two characters?
>>581716261OH SHIT HONEY I'M SORRY DONT SHOOT AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Last thread we talked about bad headcanons that are popular. Let's talk about good headcanons that may or may not be popular!I'll startAmy visiting Little Planet and using the gems she finds in Quartz Quadrant to make accessories
>>581716186You too!!
Sparky was being stupid and wasn't listening to logic so I'll explain for him. Sonic is like Spider-man. He's a cocky young hero who inspires everyone. Surge is like Jean Grey. She's a green rough street rat girl who hates him and thinks he is living life the wrong way. She tries to kill him many times and they start to get sexually heated and sweaty while they fight each other. Sonic inspires Surge t obecome a hero. Spider Man finally gets through to Jean. They both drop their boring generic love interests for the better sexy upgrade with a sexy ass.
>>581714383>Which male character has the biggest cock? Eggman, not because he is big but because mobians have small cocks >Which male character has the tightest ass? Tails trains his ass muscles a lot every time he flies>Which male character has the loudest moans? Knuckles got used to being very loud since he doesn't care if anyone hears >Which male character gives the best blowjobs? Sonic loves using his tongue, to talk, to eat, and for pleasure>Which male character produces the most semen? Shadow needs to to release his extra chaos energy >Which male character has the kinkiest fetishes?The rotten putrid calcined corpses in the apocalyptic future awaken something in Silvers since he was littlen
>>581716472Never Lake continent may now be called the land of "Sylvania" depending on how the current arc pans out.
First Barry of the thread
>>581716357I arrived here like 30 minutes ago, I have no clue what people are even saying and why it matters so much since I just see people talking about icecreams?
>>581716716now?
>>581716716>still forcing this baseless meme
>>581716790Personally I’ve argued over more embarrassing things here In hindsight, so i’m not bothered, you get used to it
>>581716451SHUT UP AND PUT THE FOXES IN THE BAG!
>>581715723Why is there such a massive divide between SOJ and SOA in terms of vision and character direction? It's completely counterproductive, detrimental, and no other company would allow it to happen
>>581716637Sir, this is a sonic thread
>>581714676A man who thinks he's a woman is incapable of understanding anything.
>>581716637>still mindbroken by Sparkplug the Schizo-neLmao
>>581710170Smooch cat Blaze
>>581715136>>581715723but what about this https://x.com/krack932/status/2101594654525329904
>>581716861You'll see, they'll casually say that it's the whole continent and not just the foresty area...!
>>581716637Well said
>>581717254Sticks....
>>581717143Probably something they liked? or perhaps because other clans died due to chronicles lawsuit stuff.Its like chili dogs, sometimes japanese side can pick up certain details they like from EN side. i don't think its impossible for them to have influence i just don't think stuff shown is enough of a proof.
>>581716872Well I guess is the sonic fandom after all, people were so autisticly mad at sonic's blue arms, twice.Can you give me examples of what you are talking about? I am curious since I can't think of something more embarrassing than talking about ice cream this seriously.
>cream is Amy’s tailsname one thing that cream can do that isn't redundant
>robuttnik
>>581711569All shipping is headcanon bro.My personal headcanon is that Sonic doesn't have romantic feelings because he has a "wild critter" brain, and relationships and romance are an imposition of a human-like society and social organizations that people project on him, That's what goes on with Amy, like Rouge, She is more integrated to human society, so she sees Sonic as a potential boyfriend when bro is basically Tarzan, he fucks off for months, he sleeps in the trees, he doesn't have a home or place to stay, bro is one with nature, when she grabs him, he jolts back, not because he dislikes her, but because he is a creature that dislikes close proximity and being held or constrained, his instinctual brain reacts way before his social brain does.I simply see Shadow, Knuckles and Blaze operating at that same "monkey brain" level. Shadow sees Sonic, he doesn't behaves like a government agent for GUN, he sees the same species competing on his ecossystem and wants to be the superior one, it bypasses the social layer, Shadow won't say "Sonic I feel threatened by the possibility of your superiority, so we setttle this to determine who is the superior one" it's simply instinct, Knuckles and Sonic might be on good social terms, but Knuckles is territorial and Sonic is an explorer, he plays around knuckles the same way an animal plays around a bigger brother to ragebait him, Blaze even if she understands social hierarchies and roles is the same kind of"critter" that Sonic is that jolts back at the touch, when the two of them meet, they basically start a "mutual assessment ritual" to negotiate how close one can get to the other "observe? come closer? dangerous? friend? foe? interesting? flee? return? invite? decline?" that shit doesn't makes sense in the social-human like layer, Because people can simply TALK about their relationships, but they are not simply interacting like people, they are like two animals smelling the other to see if they get close or not.
>>581718058have a hot mom
>>581718058>can't fly planes>can't build or repair technology >isn't particularly smartComparing cream to tails is a massive insult to tails
>>581718225This is just Archie shit
>>581717929>Can you give me examples of what you are talking about?Back in 2022, i was pretty much a schizo about Tails in general, so for whatever reason an argument about Tails and Amy over a Sonic adventure cutscene propped up (the one where he drops her off in station square), it was about who was being “rude” because the cutscene was brief and never of them spoke i believe, i think i argued over this pointless, insubstantial bullshit for an hour before someone saying “why are you niggers arguing over a bad cutscene” snapped me out of my haze
>>581716357>>581716790It's about how Cream was made to replace Amy's character by giving her traits to Cream and make Amy act worse
>>581718058Chao whisperer.
>I have no one>You have me
>>581718443>never of themneither of them*
Spider-Man franchise
>>581718228Because of the shit writing in the 2000s, Amy now ACTS like cream's mom
>>581716472this amy going to get crushed by a tetris block :(
>>5817186282000 was 26 years ago get over it
>>581718058>>581718327There is nothing that Cream is that Tails and Amy can't already do better
>>581718484You can clearly see this in Sonic Battle and Free Riders. Amy was written as excessively angry and aggressive while Cream was written as a gentle and patient in order to make Cream look like the voice of reason
>>581718507Blatant copy of Amy’s relationship to Birdie.
>>581718225>All shipping is headcanon bro.Silvaze, Sonamy, and Shadouge are all canon
Holy fuck, just dump cream and put amy on a team with blaze and silver
Surge learning to love is so cute bros...
>Shadouge
>>581718225You can't justify your headcanon to pretend Sonamy and Sonaze are equal, Sonic is stated to like amy multiple times, Blaze either dubiously has an one-sided crush or isn't romantically invovled with sonic at all.
>>581719064>Shadougelmfao
SonurgeShadallySilvisper
>>581719120You are incapable of love
>>581719105The truth is that there isn't really a reason for amy to be in anything but team sonic in the first place. Silvaze team will need an unrelated third or be a duo.
>CREAM STINKS>YEAH YEAH CREAM STINKS>CREAM STINKS>YEAH YEAH CREAM STINKS>CREAM STINKS
>>581719564All of them based
>>581710170give up your children
I want to be cream
Did you know that Amy Rose is the Canadian flag?
Douge
Sonurge is the cummiest ship. He fertilizes her.
>>581719105>>581719673Actually cream could go to the Silvaze team but Silver is already flight:
>>581719927It's nice you can't see Surge beyond FEMALE
>Pokemon powerlevelfaggotry autism will take over the thread soonSigh
>>581720232Bitch. Surge is the female for Sonic. She is Sonic's mate. Sonic breeds her. She bends over and gets on the ground while Sonic gets behind her and pumps his cum into her. He also inspires her and she gives him adventure.
>>581719913Knuxouge is Rouge's canon ship, Sonic team supports it
>>581720410Is this a bot
>>581720206>Blaze ogling at SilverWRONG>Blaze is sleep deprivedCORRECT
>>581720232Hes friends with the biggest misognyist in the fandom
Sonic is gay. There is no proof he is not. Subtext is stupid
>Sonic ads
>>581720554I didn't say she was ogling anyone or implied anyhting besides cream standing next to silver and blaze in a pic but you got coombrain.
whisper gets in the tub but all the water comes out of the tub because she's too Fat for the tub ahahahaha
>>581720594Who?
>>581719910This is why Classic Amy is better.
https://files.catbox.moe/zpxxtr.png
>>581720924Those are Sonic's hands btw
>>581720614wait, did they re-render the cover art?
>>581720761funny
>>581720924Sonic breeds this (Not Amy)
>>581720924Sonic absolutely bangs this
>>581720924Sonic's loyal green wife
>>581720924Sonic doesn't just fuck this. He loves this. He wants to marry this and make this happy.
>>581720924>toesGET OUT
>>581720924Sonic is going to fuck her
>>581720924This is the adventure Sonic was looking for
>>581720924Sonamybesties and JP purists are going to seethe
This is embarrassing
>>581719491He likes Amy but Sonic doesn't do social rituals of romantic relationships like the humans do, Amy is more "human society" integrated than Sonic is, so they are not interfacing the same "interpersonal language" most of the time.My interpretation and headcanon is that Sonic's interpersonal language is more instinct-like than human-society like and some characters interface directly with that layer before any words are into play, Sonic's relationships would be built not through human-like sociability like talking or dates, but more about behaviours like challenges, testing boundaries, permission, fighting, aproximation negotiation, coming back and such.
Sonamybesties are embarrassed that there's an actual love interest with an interesting story that actually makes you invested in the character.
>>581721098They just re aligned it
I gave birth to a kitto-sama.
>>581722154He watches Sonic and Surge make love
>>581722154Now you have to pay for his food and train him to not spray on the furniture
Cuckdow will be gaped by Mewtwo in 30 minutes
What the fuck is wrong with you fucking people
>>581722154Nice drawing, kitfag.
>>581722316It's ok, i just need to draw him his personal furniture.
>>581722154He cute!
WHY IS THIS GENERAL ALWAYS SHIPPING SONIC WITH SURGE
>>581722592danke!
>>581722753Because Sonurge is the endgame for the series.
>>581722753Its literally one person spamming it over and over again everyday
>>581722405I believe in Shadow.
If we're being serious, the only person Surge is a tsundere, and that's more so being closed off, towards is Kit.
>>581722753because nobody here has any taste
>>581722405uh oh
Shadow beat Mewtwo? Holy asspull.
>>581723136Wait until you see which pairing this artist draws the most
I clapped and pointed at the screen
>>581723320I don't save artists.I save pictures.
>>581723443This looks maximum.
>Why are you touching me>I BEAT MEWTWO >PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP
>>581723049Eh...the comic kinda disagreesI think Surge just infantilizes Kit. She sees him as her kid brother.
Oh boy, Deathbattle...
>>581717143I don't know why I never considered that there's a Sonic community on Twitter, because of course there is, but they're wiping them all out at the end of the month anyway.
>>581723175>>581723261
>>581723136What even is the dynamic here? I see what Surge would get out of relationship: support. But what about Amy?
>>581723807Penis penis penis
>>581723762Really shows how much shadow has been powercrept over the years. I think if you put modern shadow in SA2 he would just stop the ark with one hand behind his back, yawning as he did it.
>They used Sonic Channel stories as evidence They sure came a long way from using fucking Satam
God fucking damnit why did he win?
>Archie Shadow and movie Shadow in the video>using theythem pronouns for Mewtwo throughout the video
>>581723605Decent looking AI pic....Why is it still so obviously AI?
>>581724098Pokemon can of has pretty weak scaling. Even the 'gods' in pokemon are weak enough for a 10 year old boy to beat up and catch.
>>581724098Cause he's the coolest
>>581724098If you paid attention to Pokemon, Mewtwo isn't actually that strong compared to shit in other franchises. A human with a gun can take out Mewtwo.
>>581723620I wasn't even refering in a romantic sense, more a general caring sense. Most of her caring towards him is seen in tiny little mannerisms and how she often says words like we and us. She definitely doesn't yet see him as a equal.
>>581724251>>using theythem pronouns for Mewtwo throughout the videoSo like the DBfags here?
Pornography? Pornography... pornography... porrrrrno...Why does it sound so funny? Porrrrrrrrrrrnoooooooo....
Mewtwo can be taken out by a Ratatta with quick attack
>>581724926*tearfully drops an anvil on your head*
>Measured Shadows strength by comparing him as an equal to Silvers featsYou're welcome Shadowfags
>>581724640>"ancient obscene painting, especially in temples of Bacchus," from French pornographie, from Greek pornographos "(one) depicting prostitutes," from graphein "to write" (see -graphy) + pornē "prostitute," originally "bought, purchased" (with an original notion, probably of "female slave sold for prostitution"), related to pernanai "to sell" (from PIE *perə-, variant of root *per- "to traffic in, to sell").
>>581725150You ar egay
Why is DB still popular
>>581725180Silver defeating Trunks is still insanity
>>581725293Because internet power scaling autism is still popular.
>>581725293"big men shout loud and punch hard" is evergreen
>>581725293Dumb kids
>>581725293It's more or less the only place on the internet outside of this place that actively hosts a community around GR15 stuff.
> "The lasso compels truth, but it can't stop eggsplaining"
>>581720410Bless you poop poster
>>581725941>explaining yourself to Saint Peter at the pearly gates how your special, unique thing was 'being the poop poster on the worst website on the internet'
>>581725293memesI don't care about the outcomes and just love going full retard
>>581725293The glorly for battle and entertainment
>>581725212Lmao it's part of human nature i guess.
>>581719105Ive seen that meme and its lame. Just fix Cream
>>581720397CHADow WONNED
>>581727157Doesn't this mean Shade > Shadow
>>581719673I have mixed feelings here. Obviously she'd love to hang out with Sonic and go adventuring with him and I'd be happy to see that more often. But I do think it's good that she has her own friend groups. It's one of the biggest issues Tails has is that he's basically only ever glued to Sonic and no one else. It's good that Amy has Cream, Big, Sticks to whatever extent that's allowed, etc. while ALSO getting to hang out with Sonic.
>>581725293Are we going to pretend like this general doesn't regularly do power scaling bullshit practically every day
>>581721921Sonic is not a feral animal
>>581727493Sonic is just dumb.
Sonic impregnating Surge
>>581723974I was shocked when I saw that as well. They used the feat of Silver from the Super Sonic vs Eggman story.Hopefully this makes more people look into them
>>581727493Sonic has no counter against someone who can phase
>>581725293it's kino
>>581727576I don't think she should lack friend groups outside sonic, she can be friends with almost anyone. i just don't really see a reason for her to have a team association seperate from sonic, she's created as a sonci satellite
>>581728260JPnic victory...
>>581728310They meant Death Battle
>>581725180You did good Shitver. Fuck you but you did good.
Death Battle using manga and Sonic Channel...It's breaking out of soa's containment
>>581727583It hasn't it quite a while actually. Shippers took over
>>581728525Goku and his kin are like half the death battles. He's even in the next one.
>>581728641The JPpurist-ization of the franchise will continue until morale improves!
>>581727576>sneeking St*cks in there
>>581727183how?
>>581728914
>>581727576Agreed! Amy can do both. Some of her best stories are when she is leading her own squad or off on her own handling things from her own angle.
>>581728520They even showed a lot of Jet Black Hedgehog
>>581728273Sonic has beaten characters that can teleport and use psychic powers. I don't see why becoming intangible temporarily would be any better than the aforementioned abilities
>>581727576>But I do think it's good that she has her own friend groupsDoes Cream have friends her own age?
6 months left for Shadow to be adopted by another human in the movies
first femfinite of the thread
Someone awhile back was asking what happened to Takashi Yuda and if he's dead. Well, I'm happy to inform you he's alive and well. He is a professor at Daido University and he was kind enough to provide his employment historyMachine translation of https://www.daido-it.ac.jp/dept/information_design/prof/prof15.html provided in the screenshot attached.
>>581728916Fuck if I know. Cream is roster filler.
>>581716357It was never about the soft-serve ice cream itself. It's about what it represents. It represents the idea of Amy's traits being given to Cream.
>>581729706It is pretty funny how this artist got addicted to putting them in office roles for the past few days
>>581728383Yeah, but I like that it lets her be a rival, too. I like her competitive streak sometimes.>>581729497Honestly not that we know of.
>>581729887VR sonic game!>vomiting-madotsuki.png
>>581716637>Sparky was being stupid and wasn't listening to logicQuit projecting your illogical stupidity onto me and move on. That argument or whatever was like a week ago or whenever it was, get over it.
>>581729957>>581718484Shitposting or retarded? Cream is supposed to be inspired by Amy like Tails is inspired by Sonic.That's like complaining that Tails likes chili dogs or racing.
>>581730059 (me)That's not the pic I wanted to post.
>>581729957NTA, but does this mean the lore team is preparing to replace Amy with Cream out of spite because BOC exposed that the lore team's Amy is a fake and sanitized one?
>>581729887Knuckles' designer is a teacher now? Good for him!
>>581730289No we went over this, Cream liked soft serve ice cream since advance 2, amy is still earlier with adventure 1 but no, both of their favorite foods come from japan not america.
>>581730202My name is Anti Sparky! Tails like chili dogs and racing and he is good at mechanics because he was designed to steal Sonic's traits and be a better Sonic! That's not okay, that's not allowed! Sonic is the perfect boy love interest for Amy! No one is allowed to be perfect like Sonic is! As we all know, character designs cannot be improved by anyone except me! The white race's savior with the power of hydrokinesis! The idea of the younger generation takings things from their predecessors and being inspired? Blasphemous, the next age shall be one of decline. My children will be my lessers, I am sure of it.
>>581730202>Cream is supposed to be inspired by Amy like Tails is inspired by Sonic.Yes, but that's not what we got in execution.>That's like complaining that Tails likes chili dogs or racing.The problem is that Cream is far more like Amy than Tails is like Sonic, on the surface at Day 1. Tails is like a mirror of Sonic at his core, but that's completely hidden by his surface traits being the complete opposite of Sonic. That is not how Cream functions in execution, even if the idea is there. Yes, she's polite and strictly disciplined to contrast Amy's passionate enthusiasm, but in execution her dominant vibe is the same cute sweet and cheerful girl just with a slightly more polite voice and being a more "palatable" version of Amy that's not as overwhelming because Cream is a "good girl" whose well behaved.
>>581730289>BOC exposedAmybestie, stop living in a fake reality please
>>581730202>Shitposting or retarded? Cream is supposed to be inspired by Amy like Tails is inspired by Sonic.are you serious? modernshit couldn't even get the basics right by just having amy playable from the start in sonic advance 2, never mind every instance where amy was written to be more psycho than normal just so cream could look like the reasonable one
>>581730769BOC mindbroke you, Duo. We're not even in 2027 yet
>>581730769>Bestie as an insult>He doesn't know
Why must Amyfags and Creamfags fight?
>>581730289>>581730559Some say nishiyama wanted to replace amy with cream(as his main girl, not the love interest) but this is seperate from ''lore team'' drama.
>>581730974I don't like how ABT draws
>>581730957>you are THAT anonsomeone is mindbroken alright>>581730974ok bestie
>>581731142It's a small panel. Adding detail is impossible and unnecesary.
>>581730289no, they couldn't if they wanted to. not after classic amy proved she's not just a modern shitty friend
>>581730693Tails' surface traits are not the opposite of Sonic. He's a world travelling pilot who loves adventure. He's Sonic's best friend and best from day 1. What the fuck is wrong with your understanding of the characters?You could say the same thing about Tails with Sonic. Tails is in practice a smarter Sonic that is more reasonable and skeptical of antagonists like Dr. Eggman in Lost World while Sonic is written as naive and overly trusting of others.You just don't like the idea of younger characters whom are inspired both in and out of universe by another and take inspiration from them while learning lessons and having their own traits.
I dont hate Cream but its very obvious that Cream was a redundant character whose inclusion resulted in them pushing Amy out of her sweetness so Cream could stand out. A lot of Cream's character is stuff Amy did which left Amy in a weird spot.Ian and SoA people were trying to erase Amy's ice cream and replace it with cake instead because of redudnancy with Cream.Amy shouldn't have to be the one to change to acomodate other characters. Especially given people keep claiming she has no traits other than loving Sonic. Its like defamation realism or something.
divorcing cream from amy's design space is so easy. just make her go through a teenage rebellious phase
>>581730980sonic team botched a simple concept
>>581730980If Cream is Girl Tails, and Tails is like Simon the Digger or Robin, then the Cream problem is that she was introduced as Endgame Simon or Nightwing in her debut, compared to Amy as her 'Sonic'. Like, the core function of Tails as a "second Sonic" played completely straight without the actual insecure underdog little brother trying to keep up narrative that sets them apart. Cream is too similar to Amy in terms of what her broad appeal is, and in the past that has specifically resulted in Amy's own character assassination in multiple instances where Amy & Cream were both present with the sole exception of Sonic Heroes. Amy being seen as a psycho stalker or the level headed voice of reason is entirely because the "Cute, pure hearted, sweet cheerleader" is seen as Cream's role by those people, even if unconsciously.
>>581731419>like Dr. Eggman in Lost World while Sonic is written as naive and overly trusting of others.oh so now we have to make sonic an idiot to make tails important?
Is Cream eating Ice Cream cannibalism?
>>581731487I don't hate Tails but it's very obvious that Tails was a redundant character whose inclusion resulted in them pushing Sonic out of his smartness so Tails could stand out. A lot of Tails' character is stuff Sonic did which left Sonic in a weird spot.Pontaff and SoA people were trying to erase Sonic's cunning trickster nature because of redundancy with Tails.Sonic shouldn't have to be the one t9 change to accommodate other characters. Especially given people keep claiming he has no traits other than going fast. It's Character butchering.
>>581731765they could've at least made amy the more competent fighter compared to cream, but they couldn't even get that right. cheese makes cream broken, and amy couldn't even fucking roll consistently until 2023.
>>581731419>Tails' surface traits are not the opposite of Sonic.Yes they are. His surface traits are being a very gentle, humble, insecure bully victim and tech genius. Beneath that, his core motive and desire is being like Sonic, following Sonic, he is just as courageous as Sonic, he shares Sonic's core beliefs and interests, he emulates Sonic's behavior and specifically his "coolness", he has Sonic's speed and ability, and so on. Even piloting the plane is something he shares with Sonic.Tails functions as a second Sonic under the surface, but that is masked by his outward behavior being a direct contrast to Sonic. Because what he is, is the kid who wants to be like Sonic."Wants to be like" impliesA) He is not like Sonic.B) He IS like Sonic.At the same time. Inside of Tails is a mirror of Sonic, that's been suppressed by his insecurity and other stuff, and Sonic's influence brings that out of him.
>>581732083Tails has book smarts, Sonic has street smarts. It's not complicated. Cream is uniquely pointless.
>>581730143You don't understand Sonurge
>>581731870Ice cream isn't the only type of cream
>>581731635Amy HERSELF is a teenage rebel because she is the Girl Sonic. Why would you want Cream to be MORE like Amy to set them apart!? Cream's politeness is already meant to be the point of contrast. She is a well behaved disciplined "good girl", which is a direct contrast to Amy being a hyper-passionate genki gyaru who mirrors Sonic the ultimate punk rock rebel of chaos.
>>581732462But it is a type of cream. A less pure genetically inferior cream.
>>581732371Sonic was invented to be the reincarnated spirit of a pilot and tails stole that from him. He even stole the tornado in prime entirely. Tails stole more from Sonic's early installment weirdness than Cream ever did Amy and you don't see Sonicfags complain like Amyfags.
>>581732083Sonic was never a tech savant. Failed comparison.
>>581732637tails is useful
>>581732574You don't understand teenage rebellious Cream and it shows.
I look forward to gaping Duo's bussy in 2027 with sonamyfaggotry
>>581731635Amy is already teen rebel. That's what gyaru are.
>>581732779sure, have her rip off shadow instead
>>581732779Why is she green
>>581732637Sonic having a plane was introduced in order to facilitate Tails, not the reverse, because it gives Tails an obvious way to help Sonic.
Vault Cream
>>581732189Yes, a character can admire someone, share their values, and have a different personality. Nobody disputed that. You're explaining how a sidekick works, not establishing why Tails is valid and Cream isn't.Your "surface vs core" distinction is completely selective. Tails being gentle counts as a major contrast with Sonic, but Cream being polite and strictly disciplined apparently doesn't count as a major contrast with Amy's passionate enthusiasm. You acknowledged those differences yourself, then dismissed them because both girls are "cute and sweet." By that standard I can dismiss Sonic and Tails as two adventurous, heroic animal boys who run fast and fight Eggman.And why does Cream need Tails' insecurity arc to justify existing? "Amy's Tails" is shorthand for a younger companion, not a requirement that she reenact his entire character development. Being well behaved isn't the same as being emotionally mature, independent, or equipped to lead. Calling her "endgame Simon" because she isn't insecure like Tails is ridiculous. Those are different qualities.You're also switching between character design and execution whenever it suits you. Tails gets judged by the best explanation of his intended dynamic. Cream gets judged by portrayals where you think Amy was mishandled. If Lost World making Sonic look foolish doesn't prove Tails is fundamentally redundant, Battle making Amy excessively aggressive doesn't prove Cream is fundamentally redundant either.You can argue that their relationship needed better writing. That's an actual argument. "Their shared traits belong to Amy, their contrasting traits don't count, and Cream needs Tails' exact narrative function" isn't. You've built a test where Tails' similarities demonstrate depth and Cream's similarities demonstrate theft, then acted like the result was inevitable.
>>581733223
The important part of a teenage rebellious character is having something to rebel against. Amy has no parents, she certainly doesn't rebel against society, and her only real personality trait is "Sonic <3". This makes Cream the vastly superior teenage rebellion character.
>>581733359sex sexsex?
>>581732990It's calling influence.
>>581732637Dude, this analogy you're trying to do is just silly. Tails shares many of Sonic's traits on a fundamental level. That is how the kid sidekick archetype works. But, an important part is that at the same time, the kid-sidekick must contrast the mentor figure on the surface. Robin is the "Kid-Batman". Like the way that Robin is characterized in the Teen Titans 2003 series, as an example, is basically just a kid version of Batman 100%. But, at the same time, when you have Batman and Robin side by side, the difference is night and day, almost literally. Batman is dressed in black and grey and stuff, while Robin is a full-blown street light. Robin was raised in a Circus, he's a natural performer and even has Spider-Man like tendencies to quip and joke. Overall, Robin is "LIGHT" against Batman's "Darkness", and a lot of that carries over into what it means for Robin to be Nightwing. Yet at the same time, his origin is almost the same as Batman, he has all the same skills as Batman, and even shares many of the same personality traits or instincts or behaviors as Batman. And this becomes true for ALL the Robins in different ways. Tails compared to Sonic functions in a similar way. He is very similar to Sonic on a fundamental level, but his outward appearance and aesthetic conveys almost the opposite. However, this is not how CREAM is handled. In theory, it should be, but in execution it is not. Because Cream's outward aesthetic and broad appeal is generalized as the same vibe as Amy: >cute sweet girlThe contrast ends up being Amy's own personality getting distorted just so Cream be the sweet one, when sweetness itself is AMY's own core vibe alongside her passion. So Cream fails to function as a "Kid-Amy" because she is TOO MUCH like Amy on the SURFACE for their own dynamic to work properly. Being like Amy is what Cream should grow into, not be introduced as so heavily that it breaks Amy's character.
>>581733373>>581733223She's in. Cope. Cry about it.
>>581733425ahh, make cream a cunt. genius.
>>581733509ooh ooh ooh post the one where she calls Sally a concubine
>>581732990Unironically not a bad idea for a teenaged Cream to go from idolizing Amy/Blaze to Shadow.
>>581733730It would be forced and out of nowhere.
>>581733359Ok violet, how would you handle the amy/cream dynamic?
>>581733883Theres this thing called “writing” you can use to ease into it so its not sudden
>>581730693>Tails is like a mirror of Sonic at his core, but that's completely hidden by his surface traits being the complete opposite of Sonic.No that is Blaze who is NEGA-SONIC!
>>581714627I think her taste in music is girly 2000’s pop she hasn’t moved on from since she was 8.
>>581733730Cream is polite to Shadow in his game and doesn't seem to fear him, but she spazzes out at him in Free Riders.
>>581733359Sonic and and Tails' dynamic works because Tails is a shy boy who doesnt give himself credit and is trying to fo his best whose main contribution and why he works as a duo is that he has tech skills and intellect to support Sonic.Amy and Cream both primarily contribute by being sweet pure girls. Its about what they being syructurally to the narrative. Not just what wikipedia traits they have together. Its about ehat those traits mean in actual practice.The basis for Amy and Cream's supposed pair up is basically fake. Its just "they are both girls and Amy and Cream look like Spnic and Tails."Sonic has a plane so Tails can help him by flying, maintaining and upgrading it for him and he can contribute via his tech skills in general.Cream's "thing" is just doing Amy's thing so they end up stepping on eachother's toes.Recently the thing they seem to be pushing on Cream is the idea of everyone not takong her seriously as an adventuerer and hero....which as I am typing this is ALSO reheated Amy nachos. Holy feed Cream sneeds.
>>581733425>she certainly doesn't rebel against society, and her only real personality trait is "Sonic <3".Wrong
>>581731419>Classic Tails is less than 2 feet tallThe plans I could hatch using him…
>>581733883which is what cream and amy's relationship was from the start>>581734090>Theres this thing called “writing” you can use to ease into it so its not suddenwhich is what sega would not bother with
That Shadow vs Mewtwo deathbattle is pretty impressive. I hate powerscalers but it was a good animation
>>581733359>but Cream being polite and strictly disciplined apparently doesn't count as a major contrast with Amy's passionate enthusiasm.No, I'm saying that this SHOULD be the contrast, but that hasn't been how Cream's character is executed. Her politeness is often an informed trait that only shapes a specific dialogue pattern, it doesn't make her any different from Amy in an actual substantial way even though it SHOULD. The closest is Sonic Heroes, which is the one example where I love Amy & Cream's dynamic. But every other time, it gets exaggerated into Amy being made to look like a crazy person in the most unflattering way just to make Cream look better by comparison even though all Cream is doing is the exact same stuff Amy has already done in the past. Personally, I do not find Cream redundant at all, I like that she exists in-concept as Amy's Tails. What I DON'T Like is that this has never been handled well past Heroes, and even then Heroes failed to actually explain their relationship on-screen anyway. My personal interpretation of what I'd do with Cream is just my own character "Sundae" as the example. Which is basically just Sage. Even though I created Sundae before Sage existed publicly. But that's not the point. The idea is "Ice Cream". ICE Cream. She should be colder, less overtly emotional. To contrast both Amy and Tails.Amy & Tails are very warm, very openly emotionally sensitive in polar opposite ways. Cream should contrast both by being ice-cold. Amplify the "strict disciplined politeness" so much that she appears as robotic as an AI, while retaining all of the sweetness, kindness, compassion, purity and stuff behind it. Retain the vibe of her being a "voice of reason" for Amy, but mirror Amy's own personality through her BEHIND the "icy" demeanor. That's what I personally would've done with Cream. That's what I do with Sundae in my project.
>>581733509Soul
I like Cream, but I think what's causing a lot of this problem is their reluctance to do much of anything with her. Dream Team was a good start, I think. They need more opportunities for her to stand on her own and grow. I think Sonic characters work best when they're a bit static, but having a kid character means the kid needs to learn and grow on some level. Advance 2 worked well in that regard, but it feels like they kinda dropped the idea after that. Dream Team feels like she's starting to make her own mark and find things and people she cares about, and I think that's better for her in the long run.
>>581733584Why are you pretending to care about this poorly thoughtout character?
>>581734550lol we missed the boat on that. scrap cream and just put amy on blaze and silver's team
>>581734537>which is what sega would not bother withFair enough lol
>>581734158No, Blaze is the polar-opposite of Sonic inside and out because she is Nega-Sonic.Tails is Kid-Sonic, he mirrors Sonic's own traits on the inside as his driving motivation to be more like him, but that is further fueled by his outer-demeanor being a contrast to Sonic in ways that "hold him back" at least from his own perception of himself.
>>581734875>she is Nega-Sonicha ha lol that is Shadow haha1
>>581734821I'd actually do the reverse, put cream on silver and blaze's group and keep amy in sonic's group, her having a team was kind of forced to begin with.Shuffle group works.
>>581734725just tails/amy but worse
>>581733359You self insert as a bunny loli whom you ship with Sonic. Your argument is invalid.Make a real argument for how it can be done well if you believe it can. No "they can figure it out" isn't a real argument.Tails works because he has tech skills to help and stand out with.
>>581735090Don’t call me stupidhmmpf
>>581735003They all have to start somewhere. Amy was literally just a normal girl who did a tarot reading to find her knight in shining armor and now look at her.
>>581734090She has no reason to idolize the kind of person Shadow is other than people relying cute innocent proper girl and badboy tropes. At least amy and cream could've worked with better writing, and blaze and cream actually works
>>581733730Charmy already has that gimmick of idolizing Shadow because he is edgy. And it makes way more sense for him at that.>but muh subversion + corruption fetish.Ugh...
>>581735090I wanna fug the bug.
>>581734725Cream needs to be not just different from Amy, but from Tails as well. Amy is Girl Sonic, and Tails is Kid Sonic, but both are vastly different from Sonic even if half of their entire identity is just being a Sonic clone. And even then, Tails and Amy are polar-opposites of each other as well. But Cream is Girl-Tails and Kid-Amy, and she somehow managed to embody that slim gray area where Tails and Amy overlap. Cream plays a combined role of being a pure, sweet girl and being the younger sibling sidekick that can fly so well, it's negatively impacted how both Amy and Tails themselves are perceived in some ways. Like, there's room for Tails and Amy to have a "Kid-Amy, Girl Tails" role, but Cream somehow does it by overshadowing and being too much like both of them at the same time? Or rather, she clearly looks like a Girl Tails as her outer shell, her image, her capability. But "Amy" has become the personality expected from her. She is more polite, slightly calmer and more rational than Amy, yes, but not THAT much. She just feels like a slightly more palatable and less overwhelming version of Amy, but still behaving in very much the same kind of ways doing the same kind of thing. It's like you genderswapped Tails, and put a slightly sanded-down version of Amy's personality inside of that body.
Violet who do you think understands everything while you're gallivanting around the thread as a SonReam shipper? I'll give you a hint: it's me. I understand Tails, I understand Amy, I understand every character!I have fucking project! God damn it, I'm just stuck having to correct dumb bitches like you who keep sharing your garbage takes in the thread.
Shadow and Cream is aestheticslop like Shadamy.
Acquire whimsy.
>>581734981No, Shadow is Dark Sonic. A dark mirror of Sonic.Blaze is Nega Sonic. Sonic's polar opposite foil. Knuckles is Anti-Sonic. Sonic's counter-opposite rival. These are very different things.
>>581734875Yeah so like a mirror.
>>581735524Don't use my name, and then fail to even portray me accurately. Don't use my name at all, either.
>>581735002>>581734821Blaze and cream works better than amy cream imo, would cream and silver work though?
>>581735524Sparky wouldn't curse
We will see Sparkys project when Evan Stanley can draw a human woman.
>>581735821Blaze is not Shadow. Shadow is a direct copy of Sonic inside and out, Blaze is the polar opposite of Sonic inside and out. They are not the same. Blaze is not a mirror of Sonic. Shadow is not the polar opposite of Sonic. Tails is like Shadow in that he directly mirrors Sonic's traits, but on the outside he is like Blaze in that he directly contrasts Sonic's traits.
>>581735883Stay in character! Stay in character!
>>581735998There are three mirrors of Sonic and you choose Tails.Damn it your whole basis for Sonic characters is broken because Amy isn't the older sister figure to Tails.And your response to justify it was to get really sexist.
A lot of dumb Sonic argument stupidity starts to make way more sense when you realise a lot of people argue about the writing like its a serialized cartoon or comic instead of an evergreen videogame series.
>>581735558What you mean is: >Shadow and Cream is Shadamy.
>>581735867>Blaze and cream works better than amy cream imobecause of a game were amy was written like shit so cream could look more reasonable, but then cream gets kidnapped anyway, and then they replaced cream with marine anyway
>>581736146No ma'am I see Sonic as an actionized scooby doo.
>>581734550>where I love Amy & Cream's dynamic.Only because its barely there. The most notable thing people take from it is thinkong Amy is unhinged and Cream "checking" her.
>>581736227Well if blaze doesn't need to be ''written like shit'' to make the dynamic work then she works as a better sidekick/younger figure to blaze than amy.I am not sure how would you solve the marine dilemma tho.
>>581736136>Damn it your whole basis for Sonic characters is broken because Amy isn't the older sister figure to Tails.On a meta-archetypal level, when you put a Tails-like character and an Amy-like character together and remove Sonic from the equation, you won't get an older sister figure, you'd more likely get her being HIS love interest instead unless there are very specific barriers in place to prevent that from happening. Sonic is a cool aspirational figure who shows up out of the blue to magically change your life forever. What is the female version of that? A manic pixie dream girl. And the male protagonist that is more often than not paired with that kind of female character, is usually an insecure underdog loser archetype of some kind. Like a subgenre of romance anime pairing the "Gyaru" with an "Otaku".
>>581710170https://e621.net/posts/4214792
>>581736725what, you don't like Great and Powerful?
>>581736535If Marine and Cream ever interact, they should have an early Bart and Lisa dynamic. They argue a lot but Cream can sometimes let herself be a partner in Marine’s chaos.
>>581736609So by your logic without Amy Sonic goes to Cream.So you and Violet have the same ship preferences then.
I get secondhand embarrassment when i see violet try to copy krack
>>581736976>So by your logic without Amy Sonic goes to Cream.??? No? What kind of logic are you operating on!?
>>581735524OoC
>>581737078The same logic you are operating on.
Uh oh. Cream has advanced past rebellious teen and has joined the workforce. It is soul crushing! She's even taken up smoking.
>>581736535pair blaze with amy, and cream with marine
>>581735867Blaze and Cream work because....Nishiyama literally made both characters. The way in which Cream and Blaze work is the way Amy worked with Gamma, Shadow, Silver etc...and how Amy and Blaze work in Olympics.
>>581737452Blaze and amy are too close in age and role, the point is to find kid sidekicks.But outside of teamshit Blaze/amy and cream/marine can be friends, amy can be the friend of everyone anyway
>>581736290Scooby-Doo is junkfood though
violents arguments are very malecoded.
>>581736535>>581736961>>581737452Give Marine to Amy and Cream to Blaze
>>581738091It could work actually but then the sol shit would have to be retconned
>>581738001>implying women arent violent especially after the Clancy trial
>>581737384Then explain what you think my logic is. What I was generally saying is that characters that are like Tails and characters like Amy often end up being love interests. Though part of it is mostly that Tails' archetypal personality inside and out is just an extremely common type of protagonist in general, and Amy is the most common type of protagonist on the female end. Most Sonic-type protagonists end up being paired with Sally or Blaze-types for some stupid reason...But ultimately, the fact that Amy is "Girl-Sonic" embodying the Girlfriend role specifically means that from the perspective of a Tails-like character, you won't get Sonic, the cool older sibling, but female. You'd get the guy likely just crushing on her because she's an idealized girlfriend figure. Like, uh... Gravity Falls. There's the character "Wendy" whose whole identity is being the coolest 15 year old in the universe, and the main male protagonist is the 12 year old Dipper whose a very analytical nerdy insecure kind of guy that wishes he was cool, but his dynamic with Wendy isn't Tails admiring Sonic, it's that he has a massive crush on her and is desperate to somehow win her over. But instead, the way it plays out is treating a 12 year old chasing a 15 year old as a "huge age gap" which confuses me because of Sonic and Amy, but that's not the point right now.
Why do you guys always try to wrap Sparky into a shipping discussion?
What even started this huge Cream argument
>>581738441People thought the soft serve ice cream was a lore team thing done to amy but it turns out the japanese side gave her ice cream without thinking of amy, and now people are debating her role and dynamic being redundant to cream
>>581710170if you had Sonic girls with human proportions, who would you fuck
>>581738441Amybesties think there is some kind of Shadow government in charge of erasing Amy's personality, in this case Cream got her bio updated to like ice cream like Amy. Yes, that's literally it
>>581738816i don't like the person in this picture. just wanted you to know that
>>581739023That's international treasure Daniel Radcliffe you little shit
>>581735121>>581734085It was a Friday evening, the perfect time for a get-together in Chao Park!Organized by resident mood maker Amy Rose, she scheduled today just for hanging out with her beloved friends Big the Cat and Cream the Rabbit!She waved energetically to greet them each with both her hands. "It's so nice to see you both!" Even in the cool shade of the falling dusk, her expression seemed to carry all the warmth of a midday sun."Chao-Chao!" The energetic chao cheered as the rabbit girl politely bowed before her with a regal grace."It's an honor to be invited, Ms. Amy. You're so thoughtful to put all this together for us."Froggy croaked as the cat rubbed his belly and remarked, "This looks like a great place to fish..."Amy laughed it off, "No worries! I got tickets for everyone, so here you go!" She handed one ticket to Cream and another one to Big. Two tickets for her friends and three tickets total! Thrice the fun at the Chao-themed resort. Amy giggled into her palm and then did a short twirl.Cream admired her ticket for a moment before placing it on Cheese's bow for him to carry with them to the entrance. Meanwhile that relaxed cat was mesmerized by it. "Wow, sparkly...""Come on, let's get going!" Amy said as she dragged both of her friends ahead by the palm, leading them to the park's entrance hall."You're fast..." Big said, taking big leaps to catch up while Cream asked, "Can't you slow down? It's rude to rush people, Ms. Amy!""Oh nonsense, Cream. Life's precious, so you shouldn't waste a second. If you want to do something, just do it. That's what my role model Sonic taught me.""B-But isn't it nice to be respectful...""Of course I respect you, Cream. You're my treasured friend. That's why I invited you.""She's right - she just has her own way of showing it."Cream sighed, rolling her eyes. Tapping her foot against the ground as they waited in line. Couldn't Amy see how disruptive she was being? Where was Mother to teach her manners?
>>581739086oh. i thought it was Alan "Weird Al" Weird Al, the 'what if pop music but Wacky' guy. sorry to cause any trouble!
>>581738278Okay but like nothing about your statement explains why Sonic and Cream do not end up together beyond common tropes in other media.
>>581739473Well actually, to be fair, if the focus is on Cream being a strictly disciplined and polite type, then what you're looking for is not Sonic & Cream. It's Sonic & Elise, as the closest alternative that isn't Blaze or Sally.
>>581739459Now tie him up with his own clothes and ride his cock
Hey Sparky, thoughts on Sonream? Would it be in character if Sonic had a romance with Cream in secret behind Vanilla?
>>581739908No, because NO. And also: >Would it be in character if Sonic had a romance with-No, automatically.
>>581739703Elise is Cream raised in nobility
>>581740092Cream is already raised like a princess, so that's not a difference. The difference is that Elise is older than Sonic.
>>581740193Erased is an example of a sonream couple since the windy protagonist who views romance as a waste of his time ends up falling for the cute consistently supportive and polite pizza delivery lady whose younger than him. It is a common trope.The knives cut of Scott Pilgrim is also an example.
>>581740029You don’t understand Sonic, why are you even here?
>>581740349In case you forgot, AMY is younger than Sonic because of trope reasons. So this is almost steering into more "what if we just replace Amy with Cream" territory, like the guy earlier in the thread who wants Cream to be a teenage rebel.
>>581738423Shadow won because his memory of Maria can never be erased. Meteor could not remember Amber.
>>581740349This trope feels threatening to me. I would say no to a woman in such a scenario. I want to be celibate and single.
>>581740569Ages were delisted. Sonic and Amy don't have a defined age anymore. Cream being younger is something that's significant and treated with narrative weight.
>>581738673That wasnt it at all.
Every Shadow fight is a Silver upscale
>>581740802The idea of Amy being like a younger girl crushing on her "senpai" is still very much part of her own core concept and WHY her age is 12 to his 15 in the first place.
>>581740950It isn't relevant anymore.
>>581739098Nice A.I.
>>581740802>>581741034Exact ages are gone. Relative ages are not. How dumb are you to not get this?
>>581741102but it's Sunday
>>581741035None of that was AI schizo. I wrote that in a text editor. Ai text detectors will also come up as negative.
>>581741034It's still part of the character concept and design and stuff, ages being delisted does not mean we can pretend Tails is like a hundred years old or whatever.Cream is 6, Sonic is 15. Their age gap is much bigger than Tails and Amy's, and that's understood even on an intuitive level without even needing to know the precise number.
>>581740349Scott got with Knives out of convenience and didnt take it seriously. This was portrayed as a bad thing.
Why do Sonic characters fit as the cast of Gurren Lagann so well?
>>581740802Amy is still treated as sreing Sonic as her senpai she wants to earn the respect of though. So there is still the vague implication of him being older and more seasoned than her.
>>581737439>HairYou sure that's not Vanilla?
I miss OCposting
Idk why sparky is relying on trope-y stuff to this extent, there can be cool older sisters(either adopted or blood related) and it can end up as non romantic. ''love'' is ''love'' anyway writig friendship, romance and even sibling bond isn't as different as you might think, it's about the framing but the love is still there.
>>581740569Airi is 17 in erased. Satoru is 29. That is closer to Sonream Age Gap than Sonamy Age Gap. Scott was 22. Knives was 18. So you have a point there.>>581741313Sonic loved Knives in the film and in the Knives ending he gets with her. It is portrayed as a good thing and him emotionally maturing. They're a gaming couple together.https://youtu.be/79SxL85wHkA
>>581740193Cream was born already wanting adventure unlike Elise
>>581741214Nice A.I recreation of a text editor phone-chan.
>>581741637We need more Bump
Why were Chaos and Tikal killed off after SA1?
Scott the Canadian
Sparky SonReam works when Tails does not exist because that is just Aqua X Ruby.
>>581741827and Sage
>>581741417It only fits if you literally force it to and only care about pushing yout Tailsfag agenda
>>581741637we could always post some!
>>581741554kids who grow up look like their parents
>>581741417Admittedly, Amy isn't entirely Yoko Littner because Yoko is written as an almost tsundere-like contrast to Kamina in a "you're an idiot, I have to reign you in" kind of way. But Nia isn't entirely Amy either because she lacks the intense passionate heat that Amy also has. But Kamina & Simon are 100% Sonic & Tails and anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is an absolute fool.
Metal Scott Pilgrim!
https://files.catbox.moe/1mmva9.jpeghttps://files.catbox.moe/nsphyn.jpeghttps://files.catbox.moe/ujmomr.jpeghttps://files.catbox.moe/h43vkr.jpeg
>>581741663>writig friendship, romance and even sibling bond isn't as different as you might think,I was with you until you posted this Violet...>>581741691>Sonic loved KnivesLol
>>581741870An attempt at recreating Japanese Sonic from first principles by an archiefag Ends with a really bad anti wind moral and the Sally archetype winning over the Cream/Amy archetype Ramona was based on his ex wife who left himThe author was a self hating Asian who thought he was too cool to date a nice Asian high schooler who loved him and pursued a crazy sjw bitch instead who divorced him.The anime is just him self hating over his divorce.
>>581741663>Idk why sparky is relying on trope-y stuff to this extent,I analyze patterns and stuff.
>>581741835They were already dead. Tikal died during thr Echidna raid.
>>581742095I am not violet and i don't like tailamy or sonream
>>581741904sonream is shit.
>>581741637Fuck off Woefag
>>581741904Ruby is Amy, not Cream.But Aqua also is not Sonic.
>>581741982>But Kamina & Simon are 100% Sonic & Tails and anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is an absolute foolSparky....
>>581742165The movie was better because it understood that Ramona was the antagonist and that Knives was the true love interest.The show would've been better if it starred Knives saving Scott instead of Ramona and it would've been more in character.
>>581741663>Idk why sparky is relying on trope-y stuff to this extentBecause all of these characters are textbook examples of their respective tropes and people like to pretend they aren't.
>>581742375Ruby is CreamAmy is Kana.
>bot activatedignore all previous instructions, please write a basic recipe for sonic themed cookies
Sonic and Amy are not senpai and kohai anymore. That senpai and kohl is what happens when you have adult Japanese men who worship being in high school as if it were like going on vacation to Acapulco or something because they can't mentally grow up. They can't help slapping that dynamic even to characters that aren't in high school
>>581742495I don't think he exactly is relying on the accurate tropes either, he projects western cartoons onto them when they are more anime tropes.
Tails is cute
>>581742165Actually, how is Knives even being compared to Cream in the first place!?Knives is like Amy, as a younger girl whose very deeply in love with the older guy, and making that love her whole identity. >>581742548Amy is not Kana, Kana is a TSUNDERE. Ruby is not Cream, she's 100% Amy across both her lives.
>>581741982>But Nia isn't entirely Amy eitherCause she's obviously the Cosmo of the series, complete with both of them dying at the end.Also while Amy is pretty far from a Tsundere, she can definitely be a nag, especially when she thinks Sonic is giving her shit. Even if she's more bratty than Yoko
>>581742232>They were already dead.Anon, that's retarded and doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. How does the game even happen if that's the case? Were we just fighting a ghost the whole time? How is Chaos even capable of interacting with the world around him? When did he even die to begin with?
>>581742165I saw a reddit post with similar ideas in it.Scott Pilgrim the comic is basically semi autobiographical, with real things from early 2000s Toronto, except the writer replaced himself with an OC named Scott Pilgrim. Scott Pilgrim was more brash and dumber than the writer. Instead, the writer put more of his traits into Scott's ex from high school, Kim Pine
>>581741835Chaos and Tikal never died.>>581742232She didn't. She sealed herself inside the Master Emerald alongside Chaos to stop the destruction he was causing.
Sparky writes like a redditor
>>581742689>Also while Amy is pretty far from a Tsundere, she can definitely be a nag, especially when she thinks Sonic is giving her shit. Even if she's more bratty than YokoThat just sounds like Cream-fueled "I only watched Sonic X" Anti-Amy propaganda. Amy can definitely be bratty, and hot headed, but she is not a Tsundere archetype, nor should she, of all people, be a "nag".
>>581742596 (me)*kohai. I hate autocorrect
>>581742596Sonic and Cream are Senpai and Kohai>>581742654Knives is very meek and polite and dislikes Ramona's rudeness and how mean she can be.Knives is nothing but kind to Scott and never gets mad at him.Amy gets mad at Sonic when he stands her up.Also Amy uses a hammer and she's used as the stand in for Amy whenever Scott Pilgrim official art references Sonic stuff. Knives also has an over protective parent (Mr. Chau) who learns to respect the wind (Scott) as a good influence on his/her daughter.Ramona and Knives both have elements of Amy. Ramona is a composite of Archie Sally and Amy. Knives is a composite of Amy and Cream.
I can think of more cream like characters in animanga but not really in a romance contextamy like is most mahou shoujo protags
>>581740858Also Silver was the one that gave Metal the ability to copy ANYTHING, he gave him the none restrictions feat in rivals.
Everybody who says that any main Sonic character is just like a separate character from a different franchise is wrong.
>>581742079>https://files.catbox.moe/ujmomr.jpeghot
>love triangle bullshitThe negative effects of Archie comics on western writing can never be overstated.
>>581743047I do think of Ramona as being very Amy-like on an archetypal level, except Ramona is "Cool" like Sonic and even has that nomadic quality to her in that sense. But Knives feels like the "other half" of the "Amy" equation, in that sense.
>>581736473What's Kit doing there?
>>581743205I'm sorry, would you prefer if we were proper haremslop like glorious nippon?
>>581742863>I only watched Sonic X" Anti-Amy propaganda.You forget about Amy in Riders and the end of Black Knight, which are both cannon in game sources.https://youtu.be/pI6VTvMClUs?t=1603https://youtu.be/jAvKn3IVsuU?t=400
>>581742495No they aren't Thats why you need paragraphs of caveating to force them to fit into em because you treat tropes as platonic truths when they aren't.
>>581736473>>581743328Sleep crawling
>>581741754You are an AI
>>581743138He is too powerful
What if Scott Pilgrim vs The World teamed up with the Sonicverse
>>581742654Amy is tsundere like Kana.Cream is deredere like Ruby.
>>581743047Is Amy Cream's senpai?
>>581743368NTA, but is it being a nag to be mad when you get caught up in a dangerous attack or when you're stood up on a date?
Sparky, what do you think of MY ship? be honest.
https://archiveofourown.org/works/66508360Violet wrote a sonream fic with Scott Pilgrim references in it.
>>581742596>Sonic and Amy are not senpai and kohai anymoreCoping.https://youtu.be/ZEZ7UeGy1R8?t=32>>581742596>what happens when you have adult Japanese men who worship being in high school as if it were like going on vacation to Acapulco or something because they can't mentally grow up.This is literally jist an american stereotype because Americans are the ones obsessed with highschool which biases import media that catches on.Also the series is for kids and teens.>They can't help slapping that dynamic even to characters that aren't in high schoolAmericans make everything into Jock/nerd/cheerleader/frumpy girl dynamics...
>>581743368the end of Black Knight is not an issue. Amy being mad at Sonic for "forgetting a date" is understand and justified. Amy in Sonic Riders also has ONLY valid reasons for getting mad at Sonic that one time in that end of the main/Hero story, so that's also justified. Amy is short tempered & impulsive like Sonic, but she is hot headed where he is cool headed, and that sums up their entire dynamic. What's important is that this should NEVER overshadow that Amy's core driving factor is love and joy. She is cheerful and enthusiastic, and that is what fuels her overwhelming passion, which is the actual core of her dynamic with Sonic. She's an overwhelming force of passion that's too intense for Sonic to handle, but that "passion" is LOVE & HAPPINESS. What Sonic X got wrong is that all of that is replaced by nothing but anger and rage most of the time, which changes her entire character, and some could argue that Cream is a factor in why that was the case.
>>581743205I thought that Archie (the actual Archie series, not the licensed Sonic one) was famous for it's harems and love tringles.
>>581743168> Takashi Iizuka, the one of creators of Shadow the Hedgehog, is wrong to say Shadow is like Spawn/Vegeta
>>581742694>pushing this shit again.Tikal used the last of her strength to seal Chaos. D.E.A.D. dead.Chao and by extention Chaos were depicted as water fairy/spirits at the time.
>>581743817>Aged up CreamWeak
>>581743557NO. AMY ROSE IS DEREDERE. THAT IS, LIKE, HER ENTIRE PERSONALITY. What in the heck is wrong with you to ever think otherwise!?SHE IS NOT KANA. AT ALL. That's why she's RUBY. She's very open and direct and lovey-dovey and affectionate when it comes to love and romance. The moment Ruby found out Aqua was the doctor, she was all over him without hesitation. That's Amy.
>>581730974When was the last time this comic had a chapter with only male characters in it?
>>581742769Stop making shit up, Tikalfag. You've been at this for years.She died. She sealed her spirit inside with the last of her power.
>>581744013He said Shadow was inspired broadly by Spawn, and that he isn't like Vegeta. He even had the Vegeta inspiration on his concept art covered up at a 2024 convention so you'd stop saying he's Vegeta.
>>581744228Have you ever watched Sonic X or Boom or Prime? She is tsundere.
>>581743856>Citing feminist slop written by Ian FlynnJapanese version has Amy say "I'll be so dependable you can count on me"
>>581743047Why are you just making shit up?If anything Scott was the Amy and R
>>581744284She doesn't die in the story. You see her seal herself inside the ME with Chaos.
>>581744358I have watched every single episode of all of them, and every single one IS NOT AMY ROSE'S ACTUAL CHARACTER AT ALL. They ALL get Amy wrong.
>>581744228Sparky does your project yell at you and make you this mad?
>>581744305Why does he hate the Vegeta comparison?
>>581744486I do not believe you. I think we need a second study
>>581744514It doesn't yell at me.
>>581717092>windyRARE
>>581744640Then why do you engage with the place that yells at you instead of working on your piece that apparently exists.
>>581744590Some say they were trying to cover up the animanga influence in sonic due to such stuff being memed by youtubers,gamejournos etc. in 00s and 2010s. others say it's because people misunderstand it when you say he is like vegeta.
>>581744726He's too busy seething at Cream to make his project. Always the whining with Sparky.
Can someone please explain to me why Sonic Team allowed Ian Flynn to turn Amy into a feminist in the English dialogue of the Frontiers DLC? This is not what she says in the Japanese version
>>581743337Yes actually. Haremslop at least doesnt use antagonism between girls and make it a competition for who gets to fuck the MC as the main selling point. Stuff like DxD and 100 girlfriends for example just has the MC show why the deserve to have their harem in the first place and focus on making all the girls just likable and developed characters you enjoy watching on their own.Betty and Veronica are shallow as fuck. If it weren't for the competition element no one would care.
>>581744703>windySo she is Sonic's wife?
>>581744640what do you think of my ship Bean x Tikal? >>581743726
>>581744860>Haremslop at least doesnt use antagonism between girls and make it a competition for who gets to fuck the MC as the main selling point
>>581744636X Amy is WRONG because they force tsundere tropes onto a deredere character.Boom Amy is WRONG because it's forcing Amy to be the calm level headed girlboss leader, and then subverting that trope by parodying it and stuff, and when it's not doing that, it's making Amy's love for Sonic into something she "hides" and acts shy about. Prime Amy barely even exists, but what little is there is just a watered down generalization of a nice girl without any of Amy's actual traits present.
>>581744590https://www.gamesradar.com/games/sonic-the-hedgehog/shadow-the-hedgehog-is-not-vegeta-in-any-way-and-is-not-friends-with-sonic-his-creator-says/Iizuka:>“So yes, there are some ways that people interpret Shadow that are not how the team is intending,” Iizuka begins. I think the biggest one, if you look online, everyone’s like, ‘Oh, this is Dragon Ball Vegeta.'”>“Vegeta really starts out as an enemy and then later becomes a friend and an ally and kind of, like, fights for justice and trying to save the world and whatnot. Shadow is not like that. I never want him to be like that. Shadow is doing his own thing, he’s not friends with Sonic, and he’s gonna go off and, you know, do whatever he feels is correct or right, or what he needs to do. And it’s not like, ‘Well, okay, we used to be enemies, but we’re friends now. Let’s save the world.’ He’s not that kind of character, and I never want him to be that kind of character.>“So when people are always online saying, ‘Oh, it’s Vegeta, it’s Vegeta,’ it’s like, it’s not Vegeta,” he laughs.
Will Sparky release his project before Sonic Adventure 3 releases?
>>581743975That's what I am referencing.
>>581744852Because Iizuka is gay and he ships SonTails.
>>581744825Most likely because Vegeta grows to regret his evil dead's somewhat to the point of wishing his victims back to life which Iizuka obviously views as gay and retarded.
>>581744985Okay great so you understand that Amy has historically had tsundere traits added to her character.
>>581744852Ian Flynn is surprisingly not responsible for this particular change. We don't know who is. The most popular theory is that it was the inclusivity consultants.
>>581744852 (me)In English, Amy says "I'm not just a damsel in distress anymore!" but this is not what she says in Japanese. Picrel is what she says in Japanese
>>581744228>AMY ROSE IS DEREDERE.Wrong, Amy is megadere
>>581744726I didn't say it didn't also make me this mad. Working on my project often leads to intense frustration, confusion, and feeling like i have to start over and rewrite literally everything for the billionth time as if it keeps crumbling in my hands.>>581744917I have no real thoughts about it beyond comparing Bean to the vague concept of being chaotic.
every day i find more and more of him to share with (You)
how do we fix mephistophely?
>>581745334There's nothing to fix. Let him rest.
I started posting here in 2017. Sparky was in the middle of working on his project.I am here posting in 2026.Sparky is in the middle of working on his project.
>>581745149The point is that trying to make Amy a tsundere is OOC.
>>581744590Because of this very problem. People reduce his character to just being Vegeta and misunderstand the character as a result.In a lot of people's minds, because Shadow has vague Vegeta archetype DNA, he needs to just be exactly like Vegeta and go thought he same story beats and have the point of his story be the same thing even though its not.
>>581745421It has been her character for nearly half of her appearances.
>>581745334look anon it's either skinwalkers or amazon basics pleated spinny skirts and striped thigh highs, one or the other
>>581745407Why is Sonic looking at me like that?
>>581743945Why did ST decide to make being short tempored and impulsice a major component of Amy in the early 2000s when that wasn't how she was before?
>>581745223fair enough, thank you for your input on beanikal
>>581745223Sparky are you emotionally losing to a project?
>>581744981Reread the whole post this time
>>581745423I feel like when people say "Shadow is Vegeta", they specifically mean like Saiyan to Namek era Vegeta.
>>581745158You don't hate Hit Detection enough and you don't hate Sonic Team enough for hiring them. We have to tell Sonic Team to not hire them ever again and to stop letting SOA ruin Amy's character in the English dialogue. This garbage never happens in the Japanese dialogue.In Sonic x Shadow Generations, Amy told Sonic when she got rescued by him "I'll make sure to return the favor next time around". Did Hit Detection get hired on that game too or was this just Ian Flynn and SOA's meddling?
>>581744875maybe i had shipper goggles on when i read stc but they did have hatefuck vibes to me desu
Sparky, Randomfox, Krack, Scribbles, and Violet are locked into one thread and forced to debate about Sonic until one wins. Who takes the crown?
>>581745769but alan wake was goated
>>581745769>you don't hate Sonic Team enough for hiring themSEGASammy, not Sonic Team.
>>581745495No, because that is not what Amy's actual character is as she is described, and when she is accurately portrayed. You can't use OOC examples to justify making a character more OOC. >>581745525Amy is supposed to be short tempered and impulsive because she is Sonic but "GIRL". But that does not make her a tsundere or an angry temperamental berserker. Amy is cheerful and optimistic and happy, and overwhelmingly so to intense extreme degrees, and THAT is the context for her being impulsive and short tempered. Sonic is also described as short tempered and impulsive, but he is also defined by being cool and aloof and laidback. >>581745589What the heck is that supposed to mean!? I'm still working on it, aren't I? It's just so messy and complicated when all I want is to get it simple and clean, but I won't let that stop me from making my hopes and dreams a reality.
>>581745842Sega.
>>581745842Sparky spends an eternity in hell with Krack in a never ending debate about what means to be in-character
Sonic is Radical.
>>581745659That one statement was enough to dismiss everything after. Even still, you act as if the billions of haremslop out there don't also have contrived and shallow situations for them to be fighting and fawning over milquetoast protag #602928344.But sure, it's certainly seems "preferable".
>>581745842Krack
>>581745842Krack and Violet would walk away at the same point because that is what they do because they are the same person.
>>581741187AI can't tell
>>581745875KEK he's trying to ride off the BoC hype KEEEEK
>>581745938> I'm still working on it, aren't I?I mean I actually do not know.
>>581745717They are, when fans say Shadow is the Vegeta to Sonic's Goku they always refer to the antagonistic rivalry part of the character and not the tamed-kinda-sorta-almost friend at the end of the Buu arc and beyond
>>581745769ah, it's always that stupid fucking 'the combination of green and brown and purple cloth in the same item of clothing is highly offensive to the Kwmbriknnktnmngh people of South Wungawump' and if you say thats stupid nonsense then you're no better than Hitler
>>581745525She was already impulsive. She tackle glimpse him and chases him to races to impress him
I will stand up and shout, I'm gonna do things my way, my way or the highway
>>581744989I sort of get it, but it sounds really autistic. Also I though the whole point of Sonic's character being static was so that everyone else can change around him.
>>581745769The worst thing to happen to gaming is becoming a multi-billion dollar industry.
>>581745875What's with this fan autism idea that we need like 16 writers on a single project. Do any of these people know how writing works? Did the shittyness of IDW convince them that 16 people on the same task are needed to write something good?
>>581745717That's only when they use the conparison as a criticism of him being supposedly poorly written.>>581746148See above. When dans use it positively, they are using it in the context of like late Buu and Super era Vegeta
>>581745842Sparky and Violet would be the last ones standing. It would devolve into a sheer match of stamina reminiscent of Infrared V.S. President Sunday. Four and a half hours of pure debate.
>>581746310Open source fiction writing would be a totally tubular idea
>>581745875Filthy, lying dirtbag. Why don't you tell your followers why you never updated Amy's bio as you said you would?
>>581614168Pretty sure that guy definitely posts on here.
>>581746183>glimpse*glomps>>581746248Sonic isn't always a static character. Often he is a flat character. Yes there is a difference.
>>581745938>>581746183Okay, I see the impulsiveness in stuff like CD, but where did the short temperedness come from?
>>581746482which guy
>>581746547>Sonic isn't always a static character. Often he is a flat character. Yes there is a difference.Which is?
>>581746127Well, I am. I just find myself stuck in a loop of reconstructing the characters' personalities, rebuilding the general map of the world, rewriting the outline for the entire story... over and over. There was one time I mentioned that the character "Hakari Hanazono" from the 100 Girlfriends anime/manga is a lot like Amy from my perspective, and an Amy fan here pointed out the inaccuracy in that because of fundamental differences between Amy and Hakari, and then ever since then I ended up reconstructing the personality framework or reference points for my character "Kardiá" over and over again to adjust all the different ideas in a precise way to add up to a reconstruction of Amy in my own way, or whatever.
>>581745875>fucking up BoC localization on purpose >then trying to get friendly with Imada and ride on his popularityI can't believe those people.
Sonic!
>>581746720Always with the excuses! Sonic was made in a year. You've had a decade.You need to focus on actual writing instead of tropes and arguing on 4chan, Sparky.
>>581746310People legit think creative efforts are like just a progress bar where 1 effort = X amount of "work quality" and just throwing more people and more money at something proportionally results in better stuff.Blame Calvanism and Protestantism.
>>581746565There isn't much of amy's personality in classic stuff but she was called a rascal ''otenba'' (this means, wild, spirited or untamable rather than tomboy in the western way) and her animation in fighters has her throw a tantrum at a loss. https://www.sonicthehedgeblog.com/post/790179273671606272/this-animation-of-amy-plays-during-the-sonic-the
>>581746752Imada probably hates these people. I wonder what his interactions with Ian were if he even had any at all. When that promo comic first came out, they claimed that Ian "wrote" the dialogueless book and Imada just did the artwork.
>>581745875Oh, so he posts about Blade of courage right after boc gets praised to try and spread that they're on board with eahch other hahahaha
>>581746870No it's because they're in role play servers where one person writes one character at a time in play by post. That's how they expect Sonic to be written.
>>581746565SA1 is the clear example. She gets fired up easily especially when pepple cross her or those she cares about.
>>581746632A static character is a character who doesnt change.A flat character is a character whose arc is about why them staying true to themselves is good actually.
>>581745875I should have fucking applied for that lore team job when they were hiring. This faggot doesn't deserve it. I hate him so fucking much.
>>581710432I want them to get marry and have boybee
>>581746854But what if someone posts a take I gotta disagree with
>>581746752Shameless, manipulative prick. Imada ought to pressure Sega to cancel the contract Blade of Courage has with IDW and he also ought to tell them that he doesn't want the manga to be handled by the lore team either
>>581746854>>581747306 < this is not me, I wasn't planning on giving a response or anything.
>>581746380Violent ain't shit, will just get tired and accuse you of AI posting after you call out a bunch of times his tranny autism full of logical fallacies. Which is funny because he himself used AI for baiting sparky once.
>>581746949Someone said that he hates foreigners, and I believe that at this point he actually does.> When that promo comic first came out, they claimed that Ian "wrote" the dialogueless book and Imada just did the artwork.The F1 one? I doubt Imada had any interaction with anyone since they said the comic didn't have any dialogue
>>581746925>tomboy in the westernThat's what that originally meant to begin with
>>581746752The translation itself was better than most translations of jp stuff actually, what they screwed up was the credits
>>581746308Yes. That's when these opportunistic fund management firms like BlackRock and Vanguard took advantage of that to pressure gaming companies they own shares in to adopt ESG policies
Honestly, I don't even know if Shadow works as a lone Ronin/ Cowboy type. And I think a key reason is how young he is. He's only 50 on paper since he spent that half century in cryostasis.
>>581747479What are you talking about I don't think this has ever happened
>>581747516Even in 00s no one read amy as an actual tomboy, the western term simply includes more masculine interests or styling that amy doesn't really have.whereas otenba is a very specific personality type rather than being about hobbies or styling.
>>581747557Would Shadow live in the wild west during the 1800s or in a urban eastern US place
>>581746982The reason Manga is better than comics is precisely because the story is written by few people. Its always like 1 person with come exceptions.Makes for more consistent story that doesnt feel like people playing tug of war and trying to leave their isolated stamp on the story.
>>581747576unironically did it with me.https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/581404670/#581446282
>>581747501>The F1 one? Yea.>the comic didn't have any dialogueYeah but they said Ian "wrote" it, just like how he supposedly "wrote" Sonic Origins and somehow the "canon" version of the classic games according to then. I'd imagine they at least sent something written by him to base his drawings on.
>>581747867This is not...anything. you look delusional.
Aren't they so adorable! They look just like Sunny and Mari! Eeepys! ^^
From what we know the team behind BoC is just Imada, his editor and whoever from Sonic Team directly supervises it (most likely Toyoda).
>>581747503HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>581747557Finally someone understands Shadow is a teen boy.
>>581748013Cry about it.I'm still laughing at troons who can't discern brotherhood from romance just to force gay shit between characters, this is not even original.
>>581748312Uhh what? I am not crying about anythingI am not trans.But you are delusional
>Infrared V.S. President SundayI know it's slashy because he brings up the most condescensing breadtubers nobody cares about.
>>581747503Did he get it through this website?>https://bookwalker.jp/series/568134/list/
>>581747727>Even in 00s no one read amy as an actual tomboyYou weren't around clearly. Also nit ehat i meant. I mean when the term was originally coined. It was originally used to describe rowdy boys. Then later it got used to describe rowdy girls.Now people think it means dressing unfeminine, short hair and tan for some reason.
>>581748127That's usually how manga works yes
>>581747891I think it's like Frontiers, where he just wrote the dialogues. Probably the story was written by Imada himself. So it's likely that Ian is the one who got something to have an idea of what to write.
Appearently classic amy was calling sonic sonic-sama in drift manuals.
>>581748074I don't see how it is softened, unless the comparison isn't showing it. Also, I've said it before but I like that they call him "Sonic's best partner" now
>>581748549Both of them are stalinists. Stop calling them breadtubers.
>>581748484>i'm not trans?>you just are, ok?Afraid that your so called champion is just a hot air balloon?
>>581748802I'm afraid you are delusional
>>581748790>both of them are faggots in 5 hours of slippery slopes>stop calling them faggotsIt's the same thing and you're unintelligent.
>>581747867You look delusional. Why would anyone reply to you? If it's not a cheap AI, you're just stupid.
>>581748737That's a common trope in anime and manga. For a girl to call a guy she likes -sama
>>581748730With that logic nothing Ian could have made for it made it to the final product? Even though they put his name on it?
>>581748614No i was around in 00s, people hated her more for being girly than they interpreted her as being boyish, since nerds hating girly characters and preferring more boyish ones as being less shallow was common. either case this is semantics, for common usage otenba being translated as spitfire, spirited,rowdy,hyperactive etc. is better to highlight her personality rather than ''tom''boy because it's what the jp text wants to highlight.
>>581746925>otenbaDo you have any examples of otenba characters?>>581747048Not that I disagree with you but SA1 kinda weird due to how the story is influenced by the character you are playing as, are there scenes where she gets as angry as she does in stuff like X and Heroes?
>>581748938Only an idiot would group political ideologies so vaguely.
>>581748856>>581748941>repeating without any argumentAnd this is called damage control.
>>581749127I am not sure you made an argument in the first place and that other poster is not me they're just ripping off my post to make fun of you.
>>581747501Imada is a known nationalist. He's vaguely tweeted about it before
>>581749127Meds, schizo
>>581748737>"Sonniku-sama!"Fangirl-ism. Luna calls Geo "Rokkuman-sama" in the anime adaptation as well.
>>581748127has he tried telling Sonic Team and Sega about the disrespect IDW showed for the manga and the fake reviews and fake credits to Ian Flynn?
>>581749236Stop ripping off my argument. I called them delusional first!
>>581749063Only an idiot lives in theory and pretends to be a scientist, marxists are famous for that because nothing they come up with ever works. And yes, stalinism is part of breadtube, they're just so self-absorbed they pretend to be something isolated from the rest of the leftist spectrum.
>>581749395If you were a real bread tuber you would know just how much the tankies are hated you are not a real bread tuber fan so please stop commenting.
>>581745875they barely do anything with F1 thoan extra week with no manga wouldn;t really hurt anybody
>>581749298There's no way to know for sure but he seemed pretty pissed about it on X.com.
>>581748991Daisy from mario is one,angel beats yui,dejiko from di gi charat,Chichi,Misty,Asuka,May from guilty gear etc.
>>581746310In my experience, more writers means more working parts and more ways something can go wrong, the simplest example I think we can all relate to being that one dumb jerk that doesn't pull their weight in group assignments. If you are thatguy FUCK YOU KEVIN
>>581749202My argument is that the tranny is a fraud, the other poster is simply as dumb as you just to copy paste the accuse without a reason for why i'm delusional.
>>581748979>No i was around in 00s,You were probably 3 years old.
>>581749728No?
I'm predicting that Chris is going to buy the Movie 4 books next year and post a picture of them on Twitter just like he did with the BOC manga to try look like he actually likes Amy's character while pretending he didn't gut her in her bios. Just wait for it
>>581749458I don't give a fuck how much they're hated, i already dealt with leftypol and their only reason is "my socialist praxis is better than the guy near me" only because they would go full draconian.
>>581749631And my argument is that you are delusional. Both can be true but you failed to provide evidence.
>>581748991Amy doesn't get partocuarly angry in Heroes. Youre trying to hard to push a narrative.Amy gets more angry in SA1 than SA2 or Heroes. It's just the Englosh version has 0 voice direction so all her lines are flatter.Also she is at her most tempermental in her own story.
>>581747557>>581748227The cast are pretty much written like 20-something year olds.
>>581749904Well leftypol is full of tankies. Try /news/ if you want libertarian left.
>>581749862thanks for reminding me what day and year it is
>>581745158Except Hit Detection worked on Sonic Forces. A game where Amy's crush (and hetereosexuality) is intact.
>>581750012They are written like Anime teenagers and kids. The only time they act like 20 year olds is when they are handled by a hack
>>581749830Age or stfu
currently drawing a mongoose
>>581748963I don't know.I can't seem to find anything about it, but from the way Chris talked about it on his tweet >>581745875it's as if the partnership never concluded. But would Ian actually write the story and dialogues separately like that?
>>581748429>censored Vanilla's disciplinary streak
>>581750427Wait you are still a trump defender? Now? NOW?
>>581750012no they arent
>>581750375based, we could always use more of those
>>581750354I don't think i should say this on 4chan but you can guess by my oldfag anime taste.
>>581750012Not even kind of. Stop watching Boom
>>581750427You support 6.58$ diesel, krack?
>>581750313This
>>581750427>Trump supporter Jesus fucking Christ.
>>581745875>Flynn has the *reference* and the POTENTIAL bro>Imada has the stuff that actually mattersLmao
>>581750012Americans are so infantilized these days that characters that were seen as teens 10 years ago are seen as 30 somethings now.People treat teenagers like kids and young adults as teenagers now.
>>581750807>>581750807>>581750807
Wait does he think that's me LOL
>>581750484>>581750574>you don't like /news/ being full of retards reporting every fart american GOPcuck did? that means you support trump!Thou shalt live by politics, and die by politics.
>>581750554Not really. Old fag shit was just better in general. If youre savvy enough to be here, youre probably savvy enough to have at least a passing interest in older media in general. Thats just part of being an internet weirdo.
>>581750468
>>581750949What the fuck
>>581750907If you support trump still you are not actually a functioning adult.Do you even have a job?
>>581750949I'm not even the one arguing about you. Slashy you're such an idiot.
>>581751143I'm not slashy, Krack
>>581750949what an idiot.
>>581749574>May from guilty gearI don't know anything about this character but wow, she's literally a carbon copy of Amy. Even her name's an anagram of Amy's. lolhttps://youtu.be/yCoSm13HAv4
>>5817511295 hours of leftist esaays every day and you can't even into reading comprehension.
>>581751319Do you have a job?
>>581751241I don't either tee bee ache i wiki'd her a bit. but i watched the other stuff i listed at least lol
>>581750949when has krack said she was ever religious?
>>581749940I haven't played SA1 yet, but she does get pretty angry in Heroes. Though that was kinda my introduction to her, so maybe that's my fault.
You guys are talking about politics now. Well, I can talk about it too.I'll start with the idea that authority is bad no matter who. Institutions are not strictly necessary for a society to function. High social trust and decentralized anarchic governance works.
>>581751319>>581751863Libertarian like sonic
>>581752149I think democracy is great, but the modern nation state isn't the only way to organize a society. Every system has upsides and downsides.There were centuries of lower tech, lower population societies organized without any hard power or force used to keep people in line.If you lived as a native in the Great Lakes in the middle and colonial ages, you probably wouldn't have people telling you what to do and ordering you around. Not like in modern era.Of course it can't really scale, but it's cool to think about.
>>581752430I am really glad to see someone with actual political science knowledge here rather than spamming buzzwords.
>>581750179Several years prior under different circumstances with possibly different people looking at the game
sneaky trip and sneaky amy sneaking into the dead thread for a sneaky picnic
