#241: Good Afternoon, Good Evening, and Good Night EditionPrevious Thread: >>581418929General for all things Kirby including the games, novels, artwork, and anime series.>NewsKirby and the World Beyond announced for Spring 2027:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUp_l5taUeYKirby Air Riders amiibo Sword Kirby & Dragoon/Noir Dedede & Hydra releasing Novemer 12th: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycsXjkrbtqc>LinksOfficial Kirby Website:https://www.kirby.jp/Official Kirby Twitter:https://twitter.com/Kirby_JPOfficial Kirby Air Riders Twitter:https://twitter.com/KirbyAirRidersKirby Novel Translations Masterpost:https://www.tumblr.com/nyaagolor/653089595149434880/kirby-novel-translations-masterpostKirby Anime Translation Masterpost:https://operationhoshinokaabii.tumblr.com/watchKirby Wiki:https://wikirby.com/wiki/Kirby_Wiki>Kirby Starter Guidehttps://files.catbox.moe/pp1nhh.jpghttps://files.catbox.moe/hngeck.jpg>/kdg/ Writefag Masterposthttps://pastebin.com/Mv0FdBx6>/kdg/ Pixel Worldhttps://ourworldofpixels.com/kdg>Elfilisanon's Cave Story mod demohttps://files.catbox.moe/w5yxl5.zip>Anime Box Set Booklet and Storyboardhttps://pastebin.com/V053742E>Japanese Fangame Collectionhttps://files.catbox.moe/62u3lm.zip
dying again /kdg/?
>New game>Still can’t keep general bumpedTime to doompost. ITS OVER
/vg/... hayai...
Do you think they'll do World Beyond amiibos or were Air Riders' just due to Sakurai?
>>582205687Seems like a good time to do some fore the 35th anniversary, it would probs just be ultra sword kirby and mystery girl.
So when do you think we’ll get the next trailer, forgotten land did get its second trailer before the second direct it appeared in
>>582196058sad!
>>582196058We’ll be thriving in 6 months give or take.>>582208476The second trailer containing the release date for FL (and Elfilin’s name reveal, so purple girl’s name will probably be revealed then too) was in January, so we’ll probably get something around then.
>>582196058The last time I was active in a Kirby general was when /kdlg/ existed. How often does this happen?
>>582219117Even though 4chan as a whole is a lot slower, /vg/'s been getting faster due to all the gacha generals clogging up the catalog, so we've been dying a little more often recently.It's nothing to worry about, but when the thread takes a week or more to hit bump limit, sometimes things happen.
And they almost happened again, fuck
>>582221214Thats a big bed for such a small waddle dee.
>>582208476probably not for awhile.
>>582223542We must maintain the honk shoo mimimi agenda.
>>582221214as if gacha tards weren't already obnoxious as all hell.
do you suppose the galactals are like what dark matter is to zero?
>>582232842nobody will rob us of the eepy
>>582239596I figured they could be something like corrupted Starries being turned into monsters by Meteon, but honestly the Meteon Matter angle could work too, just kind of odd how little they resemble him in that regard
>>582242009well there's also the fact that elifis absorbed more then just elifin and his soul form had some animal creatures, zero and void had that going too to some extent what with the little void clones and dark matter.guess gooey and elifin are the same too in some regards.
>>582245534>guess gooey and elifin are the same too in some regardsElfilin is arguably closer to Kirby himself depending on how you feel about Kirby's relation to Void
being an evil purple bitch is his job.
kirby yay
kumazaki is turning Kirby into hot chick heaven.
>>582142817>Lmao! What's the source for this?Me. A long time ago, the thread briefly floated the idea of "what if Archie Sonic but Meta Knight", and it comes up every now and again.I have to draw something for it every time, because I still think it's the funniest fucking thing in the world.Have a brand new one.
>>582258850hearty chuckle worthy.
>>582258850I appreciate the detail that you drew MK preforming a Mach Tornado where Sonic was Spindashing.
>>582258850You ever do La Bofetada?
>>582259712>>582269345Thanks. It's nice to know other people enjoy these, too.>>582269559Actually, that was the first one, back when /kdg/ was still young.
>>582270616we need one of haltmann's robot cronies that he summons doing the "no fun allowed" bit.
Someone mentioned Susie is Meta Knight's Amy in the last thread, so here's that one Rosy panel to go along with it.>>582271750I've already got Nightmare pegged as the Eggman analogue, though. Main villain, sunglasses, tiny lackey, and he's even got the same Robotnik-like name change in the anime.That is a funny idea, though, and I might just draw it to draw it.
>>582205687air riders were for sakurai since he seems to like toys to life otaku junk, shame they couldn’t be complete though.doesn’t seem like hal is interested otherwise because the last time kirby got amiibo was 10 years ago>>582205958i would love a taranza and magolor amiibo
>>582241984They should give Sleep a proper moveset again, can't believe Battle Royale of all things was the only one to do that.
>>582277146>Kirby's Amiibo lineup consists of four separate version of the pink fucker himself, three different flavors Dedede and Meta Knight, and like four other guys total, two of which are different forms of Waddle Dee.Thank you Halkurai, very cool.
>>582277146>those colorsbased red-green color blind anon
If Meta Knight is going to borrow some Sonic autism, then it should only be fair that Kirby borrow some Mega Man autism. Or at least Ben 10.
>>582277146yeah the whole toys to life thing is a dead meme even back when skylanders were still a thing, they didn't last all that long because ultimately toys are always going to be treated like toys.
>>582279383what flavor of 'tism we talking?
>>582291732WAKE THE FUCK UP
>>582278341That ruins its gimmick though, i like it having level gimmick status like wheel if it had to do something though.
Marx… has no friends…
>>582316760Who needs them anyway?!
>>582330313ANON THIS IS BLUE BOARD
>>582282429The /mmg/+/inti/ kind.
>>582342201I don't like this.I don't like this at all.
>>582330313what did Hal mean by this?
>>582330313>Level Design: Shinichi ShimomuraA man ahead of his time.
It just now clicked that Shimo was probably a pedo
>>582363660nah the block women is too thicc for that.
>>582363660No way this guy was directing all those games in the 90's.
>>582365562requesting a drawing of this kirby enemy behind bars but without a name attached so secondaries can be totally confused
>>582367636if you REALLY want to call out secondaries point out the fact that, statistically speaking, shimora directed more Kirby games then sakurai
>>582368043Well yeah, but I also just want a funny image that has low context.
>>582369939it'd be good for shitpost fodder at the very least.
>>582205687What would amiibo ever do here?I know these are more "collector's item" than anything but I'd like more than a cosmetic unlocked early for ~30 bucks
>>582376261>I know these are more "collector's item" than anything but I'd like more than a cosmetic unlocked early for ~30 bucksI'd be inclined to agree but people seem to very much not be fond of full amiibo locks on substantial content (i.e. Fusion Mode in Samus Returns being behind the Metroid amiibo) so early unlocks are probably the way to go. Depending on if ability evos are back or not, maybe altered copy abilities could be a nice middle ground, kinda like what the Dedede/Meta/Dee amiibo did with the ability skins in Robobot but maybe with a unique move or 2 for the amiibo variants
kirby... mmo
>>582384772Shut yer trap before I shut it for ya
>>582377505yeah the whole prime 4 shit show left a bad taste in everyone's mouth.
whens nintendo gonna do another test on that minecraft mmo they were making
Whatever compelled them to make a KDL1 homage level exactly one year afterwards in Adventure
>>582387327I mean it could've just be for server testing rather then getting people to beta test a game concept, it'd be weird for Nintendo to try to make their own building game given how chummy they are with microsoft/mojangmaybe they'd do a deep cut and bring back those old fuck ass totally not lego before lego was a thing brick toys they made back when they only made toys. (not likely lol) that test is a very weird one no matter how you look at it, one has to wonder if some of that went into poke-topia.
>>582387581The constant self-fellatio Sakurai does has been visible for that long. Though it also might've been a pattern they were using for the buildup to Dedede.
>>582388592why did they have to give him so much god damned health in adventure? it's a damned slog
>>582361216As if there were any doubt he is the most based man to work on the series.
george elfloyd vs charlie kirb who wins
>>582388250>I mean it could've just be for server testing rather then getting people to beta test a game conceptthere’s just too much thought put into giving the world its own personality and its unique gameplay loop to just to test back end servers or be reskinned into another game. you dont make 6 hours of music for a laugh.someones been uploading footage the past few days and you should really check it out to see what i mean
>>582391064I've seen some here and there, it's just very bizarre.
>>582390354hyness.something something item bounce.
>>582394042https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_ietEAnlQU
>>582394502ah the comment section never fails to disappoint.
>>582390354haltrump and his mother computer star david which is modeled after galactic yahu.
Seemingly not mentioned yet, next week's event is offense-focused (City Trial)
>>582398605does anyone even care about the events at this point?
>>582398605Nobody cares. Air Riders was an objective failure and it’s pitiful roster is the biggest factor.
>>582400913lollmao
>582400913not even giving you a (You), your trite bait bores me.
>>582400913>>582401672
Seething and getting defensive only proves that deep down, you know I’m right.Total lack of RELEVANT characters, Alt Colors are a piss in the bucket. Is it any surprise that the game is done so soon?
if I press the symbol on her head, will she turn off?
Here, neat video recommendation I got at 1:15am out of nowhere https://youtu.be/-XEm-dxoyFE
>>582405678a little jank but cool.
this is the game that would finally pull the series into the mainstream.
>>582407351only if they add like, castlevania mechanics.
>>582407538like which? rpg stats?cause amazing mirror being more free-roam than metroidvania was a boon, i'd say. you could explore the entire map and collect every treasure without needing to fight a single boss
>>582407712yeah, maybe the DSS system from advance (the one with nathan graves) could be cool, maybe sorrow's soul system could work for ability essences and some very light item use like SOTN might be a good fit, nothing too complicated or involved.some of the later vania's had (unintentional) openness, one thing that shouldn't be possible is being able to beat it by rushing straight to the final big bad (that didn't work for botw) so having to fight all the bosses should be mandatory at least.
>>582282429fakeout dark matter/zero boss only for it to be a devil and wily was behind the plot of the game
>>582279383is it really autism if the fusion works incredibly well?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJB_fiMNzVA
>>582414480what are you fighting FOOOOOOORRRRRRRR
RtDL DX provided an infinitely more promising future for the franchise than Air Riders ever did.
>>582417952fighting a pissed off Christmas tree while egg engines burnt down sure was a moment.
>>582408498remember that one time wily faked being an alien?
>>582405593It'll activate her "get freaky" mode.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haGyiVxixKEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL7OSHUYCWQ
>>582407351>A complex Metroidvania is what will pull us into the mainstreamNo. Normies hate Metroidvanias. And we don’t want to be mainstream.
>>582417952They should’ve scrapped air riders so we could have gotten world beyond this year
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YGDtC2dL-0
>>582435686A little to late for that when RtDL made it mainstram.
waddle angels
>>582402830It's ok anon, Elfilin and Nago would've been neat
>>582436978Literally no it didn’t, it only attracted secondaries who didn’t comprehend Kirby and then shuffled off once it was no longer socially beneficial to pretend you knew Kirby.
>>582441097>it only attracted secondariesIsn't that what the mainstream audience is composed of?
>>582405678This reminds me, when was little, I couldn’t make out what was on the waddle dees’ heads in dreamland 3 and thought they randomly decided to give the waddle dees cat ears
>>582445085Waddle dee is so kawaiii!
real
>>582435686>we don’t want to be mainstream.we do. we want kirby to be as iconic as pikachu.
>>582441097>sold little less than 2M>it only attacted secondariesOk?
I think kirby is already at the highest popularity he could have in english regions, theres just not the same market for him that he has in japan where he basically is mainstream already.
>>582450856No clue why they’re so desperate for him to be mainstream anyway, do they not see what happens to shit that becomes mainstream over in the west?
>>582420668ya nutsack don't fight back i'll embarrass you E.T.yeah because it's from the one a lot of people say is the best outside of people who actually played at least most of the classic games. then again my top 3 are 5, 8 and MM&B
>>582452267I think it helps that Kirby is a Japanese company that doesn't really bend to western demand. The only time they did that was with the wing ability.
>>582342201I understand your plight.
>>582464297Kinda surprised HAL never made a dedictaed Pinball game for Kirby given Revenge of the Gator
>>582469530we need a NEW pinball game, with black jack, and anon's parents fucking to extremely inappropriately cheery music.
why dont presidents fight the war why do they always send the poor
>>582473841...fuck i drew a blank on pinball land and SWORE it was just tilt n tumble and block ball, i'm a sham
>>582405678>his flying is still taken from the lame ass Brawl/RtDL methodI think people just keep forgetting that he FLOATS instead of flying exactly like Kirby does.
>>582474991you WILL die for Haltmann.
>>582475817you also technically forgot mass attack had pinball...kinda.
>>582474991But they do, one of them appears as a "super party quest"
>>582475817Disgusting, forgetting pinball land exists, I only have one thing to say to you and that’s ANON, GET OUT!!
>>582450856not everything needs to be some mega super popular franchise, it's okay for things to be more niche and not appeal to every single person to exist ever.
>>582450856the other anons already said it but i'm fine with kirby still having his niche, any franchise that tries to appeal to everyone and go mainstream ends up diluting itself and alienating fans of the older stuff at some point. same for genres i enjoy like puzzle games like puyo/magical drop/panel de pon (even if the latter two are either on life support or just dead). obviously kirby isn't that niche but it still doesn't try to appeal to everyone.
>>582496237>panel de pon (even if the latter two are either on life support or just dead).d'you think the tetris attack label helped or hurt that series?
>>582497554most people in the west call it puzzle league these days, I don't think it did any harm personally, if anything it would've hurt tetris but tetris has had plenty of weird and strange mix and match stuff like bombo's and doctor Mario so all and all it didn't really hurt or benefit it.
>>582497554the name's dumb especially with it not telling that it replaced the fairies with yoshi's island characters, though every game after used puzzle league/challenge instead so it probably would've had the same trajectory of slowly fizzling out while IS made more FE and paper mario games along with lip being in captain rainbow. puyo probably got hurt more by it due to mean bean machine getting referenced by sonic in PPT2 and sonic mania's chemical plant boss and mode which still uses puyo 1's ruleset despite being outdated as soon as puyo tsuu happened not as bad as yo~n but that's just due to how slow it is which sucks cause everything else in that game is great
>>582499294I'd argue that even tetris is struggling to stay relevant these days, I don't think it'll ever stop existing but people just care much for the falling block puzzle genre much anymore.
>>582500056yeah i don't think it's going anywhere either, neither with puyo cause both kind of set into motion the popularity of 1P and PVP puzzlers (and sega probably isn't gonna let go of something that at least still has some esports scene even if their output with it has been slowing down and getting more stagnant mostly after PPT1 being a success and chronicle bombing but i could also argue ever since 2009 with puyo 7 starting the trend of more new worlds while their first reboot gets stuck in limbo) but ever since around the 2010's if generous their popularity has waned more and more aside from those two and the occasional magical drop or puzzle bobble. i also just blame phones for shit like candy crush and puzzle and dragons showing those games can make a killing on them (though i do enjoy the 3ds P&D Z/mario edition).
>>582500817Yeah phone games did kinda kill them a little bit, though I don't think it's a genre that'll ever fully go away unlike some others that are dead, like RTS
With all the puzzle game talk, do you think a 15-20 dollar HD Star Stacker eShop game would do well?
>>582501967I mean, star stacker was pretty 'aight I don't see why not.
I think Star Stacker SUCKS
>>582501967i just like puzzle games, and i guess puyo is tangentially related just due to avalanche.with how they keep referencing gryll i'm surprised they haven't done another star stacker, even just a slight change like adding the DL3 animal friends as blocks for harder difficulties or something. not the biggest fan of how most spinoffs after triple deluxe have just been expanded versions of subgames outside of rainbow curse and air riders, even if said expansions are still fun.
>>582503540gotta flip them assets I guess.
>>582503979i guess it is just easier aside from stuff like fighters 2 having a bunch of new stuff (even if it's funny seeing super clash having an HD version of kracko's weird TD design) but i do miss the weird experimental spinoffs.>breakout, pinball and golf games early into its life>puzzle games like star stacker just cause they were that big back then>canvas curse and its odd artstyle, weird mechanical remixes of DL1-64 tracks, and sometimes odd spritework for the new enemies or the random returning ones like bobo/como>mass attack basically being 2d pikmin with its own spinoffs considering strato patrol and kirby quest are big enough in their own righti guess it's a bit hypocritical but they could also just expand on earlier subgames, like strato patrol with more characters and levels without dedede being a cut character this time or mix pinball land and brawl ball together.
>>582504803to play devil's advocate those smaller spin off were made by van pool (may they rest in peace) and there was new worthwhile content.it has been a little awhile since we've had something experimental/gimmick-y so I wouldn't mind despite the fact I tend to prefer more traditional styles.
>>582504803>i guess it is just easier aside from stuff like fighters 2 having a bunch of new stuff (even if it's funny seeing super clash having an HD version of kracko's weird TD design) but i do miss the weird experimental spinoffs.HD game development and its consequences or somethin' like that
>>582507476Chasing high fidelity graphics has fucked the industry, honestly a think graphics aren't going to get much more better at this point anyway without diminishing returns, it's not a hot take to say budgets both time and money wise are just too big these days.like does anyone actually give a shit if the hair on a horses ballsack looks good?
>>582507995it really is gonna collapse on itself sooner or later, game's taking longer and longer to come out only worsens it more (and even effects smaller budget games) and people are getting more and more sick of the obnoxious handholding of AAA titles.it's sad that a lot of usually younger people have a heart attack if you mention emulation, they're missing a lot and i say this as someone close to his mid-20's.
>>582507995Just fundamentally modern lighting engines make stuff more complicated. I think I've posted about it before but in most engines nowadays you gotta deal with Physics Based Rendering, and as a baseline, that means your model requires 3 textures: an albedo texture for the "base" colors it has, a normal map to help it simulate textured lighting on flat surfaces without using extra polygons, and then the Oclussion-Reflective-Metallic map which determines just how hard or not the light bounces off said surfaces. You have to do these 3 for basically any model in your games else they end up looking flat and not interacting with light correctly. Meanwhile back in the day you could do painted textures with built-in shading on the texture itself that had simple lighting (sometimes not even that, just vertex colors) applied to them and that's that, maybe you got fancier with unique effects for metallic surfaces or the like, but it was way easier getting textures (and models, since some normal maps ARE built from doing a high detail 3D model and then just projecting those detailed surfaces onto flat ones) done without needing to account for the aforementioned PBR shenanigans. 3DS got away with pretty basic lighting and textures due to resolution and how games were designed, stuff like bump or metallic maps were the exception rather than the baseline. It's small stuff in theory but they end up really adding up over time. Probably the only reason the eShop spinoffs on Switch could even happen at all, and even then we're still missing like half the 3DS ones having an equivalent. Vidya dev rant over this shit is really cool but man it makes things a mess sometimes.
>>582508663all the signs are pointing to another crash looming, it's not a matter of if but when with the amount of studio's closing and people getting fired and laid off, hardware getting more and more expensive meaning it's a harder sell for normies, something has got to give, it just isn't sustainable.>>582508735Modern game development is extremely brutal, even just fucking around in game maker/rpg maker/stuff like source engine maps with premade assets to make something half-decent can take months.
>>582509829there's also the fact that even despite the stupidly long dev times, games still release unfinished and need patches or DLC to put shit back in which still end up being boring, which kind of has the effect of unused content in said games being way more uninteresting usually unlike older games which would usually at best have a revision cart or disc. not as much mystery or intrigue as stuff like kirby superstar having the cut mansion level or puyo 15th DS having pictures of a different concept idea. crash twinsanity is infamous for all the cut content but it still has a cult fanbase though helped by a lot of TT devs talking and releasing stuff from it over the years or maybe i'm just rambling incoherently at this point.
>>582510759there's also cases like half-life 2 (and prime 4) where they had to scrap the whole thing and rebuild it.twin-sanity is a curious game, I need to get around to playing that.
>>582509829Yeah exactly.
So on my KSSU replay I hit 100% but I’m trying to do true 100% and do Helper to Hero with every helper, and let me just say Meta Knight is the biggest roadblock. Wham Bam Rock/Jewel is genuinely an easier fight. Am I crazy to feel this way?
>>582525489the thing about the borb fights in SSU is they always follow your movements to an extent, they tend to stay about a block away unless attacking, when you are in the air they'll also aim for air attacks unless doing a signature attack (like sending the tornado across the screen, galatica's flame pillers/laser spin)you can kinda manipulate their movements and attacks to an extent.
maybe that symbol represents a dome and the thing under it is that mysterious object in the air held up by the wires.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdZQpRNn5Mghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG-MEpTnLag
