Janemba & Shantza Edition!- Gekishin Squadra is getting a major overhaul- Xenoverse 3 announced- Xenoverse 2 final DLC is out- Two anime series have been announced: DBS: Beerus (with Frieza teaser) and DBS: Galactic Patrol- FighterZ new balance update is out• XENOVERSE 3 - TGS TRAILERhttps://youtu.be/XIAhLfXH64U [Embed]• XENOVERSE 2 - FUTURE SAGA CH4 LAUNCH TRAILERhttps://youtu.be/DFWpzSFTJco [Embed]• SPARKING ZERO - SUPER LIMIT BREAKING NEO DLC SHOWCASEhttps://youtu.be/-yVuL6K1oMI [Embed]• FIGHTERZ - GOKU SS4 DAIMA TRAILERhttps://youtu.be/qTfxD54fMHs [Embed]• GEKISHIN SQUADRA - SUPER GOGETAhttps://youtu.be/5yDB1U-moWA [Embed]• KAKAROT - DAIMA PT2 LAUNCH TRAILERhttps://youtu.be/ZY6OAh_7KYw [Embed]>Useful links:https://rentry.org/dft79XV2 news:>Future Saga Chapter 4 is outSDBH News/Resources:>SDBH has ended...We are all Heroes! RIP 05/09/24>SDBH Database: https://www.carddass.com/dbh/sdbh_mm/cardlist/>Deck Autism: https://rentry.org/sdbhdecklistDBSDV news:>The 11th set has released>God Rares: SSB Goku, SSB Vegetto, Corrupted Zamasu, Beast Gohan, Orange Piccolo, Cell Max, Xeno Vegeta, SS3 Xeno Bardock>Reflect Break Cards: SSG Goku, Ultimate Gohan, SSR Trunks, Piccolo, Whis>Modes based on Goku Black and DBS Superhero arcs>2nd Anniversary soon>Card List: https://www.dbsdv.com/cardlist/?series=598010>HOW TO FIND YOUR XENOVERSE 2 SAVE ON STEAM guide:steam > userdata > [your steam id] > 323470 > remote > DBXV21DBXV2.sav should be there, which is your savefileIf you wish to delete it to try reimporting or for other reasons, disable steamcloud on both Xenoverse 1 and 2 first.Kakarot news:>Daima DLC Pt2 launched on January 15thThe Breakers news:>Season 9 launched with DBZ Broly Raider>XV Booru: Upload drawfaggotry herehttp://xenoverse.booru.org/Rest in Peace, Akira Toriyama (3/1/2024)Thank youLAST TIME ON /dbg/: >>581554225
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>>582303827Wow. It's le improved Universe 4 guy design...
What if Goten was a girl?
>>582303802Very cute
>>582303936I hope so, but I'm not so sceptical.
>>582308004I mean, it's essentially gonna be DB Smite, so I'm sure it won't be bad.
>>582315628From what I've seen, it doesn't seem like it's going to be a moba at all and the main objective is to collecting 7 dragon balls? There are no more towers or base you have to defend.
>>582316519And you can only move back and forward and not on the whole map? Feels like a weird limitation now that the camera's changed.
I love Goku
>>582320521We know, Videl.
>>582321196you're so fucking boring, anon
This has been around for decades but is it official?
>>582323286yes
>>582323286Yeah, it was the original broadcast end card
>>582321948thiccums
>>582321196Based
Rewatching Namek and holy shit, Vegeta calls EVERYONE a Super Saiyan in it
Yo
>>582335426Even as a kid I found it half annoying half funny when he even calls Gohan a super saiyan when he gets angry against Frieza
>>582338778He also calls Gohan a Super Saiyan in the Saiyan arc, funnily enough. At that point it was just a random term thrown around with no clear meaning
MOGS Rechow and Kyanos holy shit
>>582339272>He also calls Gohan a Super Saiyan in the Saiyan arcWasn't that Nappa?
>>582339527That's when they're in space. Vegeta calls Gohan a Super Saiyan again when they are fighting after his tail has been cut off.
>>582339418>noticeably chubbier than what xenoverse allows...then why'd you design your OC like that?
>>582335468Hanasia is so cool!!
>>582335426I too am rewatching Z with a friend
>>582344223Damn, we're both rewatching it with a friend then, funny coincidence.
>>582344223>>582344873I, too, am currently rewatching Z with a friend (who hasn't seen it before)
>>582339418>literally who
>finished all base Kakarot sidequests>last one was a Yamcha jab where he "defeats" Ultimate Gohan by giving him advice on womenMan I feel bad for him. This and Gohan calling him pathetic in the post-Namek sidequest hurts to watch.
What do we think about Naho Ooishi's non-SD style?
>>582280567>It could also be a big humbling moments for a somewhat smug Fridge CaC who'd be smug because he's the only one who's race don't really fear anything in the universe.That would only make sense if he didn't fear the threats he helped deal with on Earth. If that death mechanic is part of the story, maybe it should only happen if he never dies?>I'm not sure Freeza's transformations are really the types you can interrupt outside the 100% one.I didn't mean he could succeed, just tell everyone to do it, maybe even attempt. Maybe it could even be treated as a boss battle that only lasts two turns where Freeza doesn't fight back, and Vegeta chastises you for wasting energy for nothing (Though, in a panicky way since Second Form Freeza is too powerful).
I can't remember if it was Reekdom or that italian guy who recently stopped leaking, but one of them said what we've seen in the achievement leaks didn't even scratch the surface on the amount of big surprises XV3 is set to have.What do you guys think they could do?
>>582367634Most of the achievements were just for the story mode and unlocking stuff, so that makes sense at least. I do wonder what the new hub world has to offer though, aside from being bigger than last time.
>>582361917It's fine
>>582367634Italian guy?
>>582380750Venixys. He seems to have some kind of source. No idea if it's the same Reekdom, AnimeAjay and DBSHype has. But it's not like that matters anymore. Reekdom once again bit off more than he can chew and got something wrong regarding Shintani working on the Moro arc, and he got corrected by Venixys and AnimeAjay, and then the fanbase attacked Reekdom for getting something wrong, so Venixys has stopped leaking things to avoid drama.
>>582380915>so Venixys has stopped leaking things to avoid dramaWhat a bitch-made drama queen response.
>>582367634What surprises COULD there be?
>>582380096Very cute 21
All the Bandai Namco channels (except the US) has a hidden Sparking Zero vid in their playlist. One of them has 8.
>>582397550Well, I'm sure the next vid is going to be the Super/GT showcase of the Neo DLC. Though, 8 new videos for Sparking Zero is quite a lot for what's supposed to be October's free update. Just what do they have planned?
>>582381679Super Saiyan 5 Pan
>>582397550>>582397978I don't think the 8 hidden videos mean anything, but I do expect and announcement after these NEO recap trailers are over. Probably just something like "Galactic Patrol pack coming 2027!" without showing any characters.
>>582381679An hour long sex scene with ROMPublic execution of Android 21Super Saiyan 1000Trunks getting body changed for the third timeGammas 3 to 999
>>582380096Nice
>>582395264>>582395264>>582395264>>582395264
>>582361917>non-SD style?It's still a bit SD but it's neat>>582366441>That would only make sense if he didn't fear the threats he helped deal with on Earth. If that death mechanic is part of the story, maybe it should only happen if he never dies?True but at the same time Vegeta still was delusional and smug based on being a saiyan despite getting his shit rocked so it could also be like that.>I didn't mean he could succeed, just tell everyone to do it, maybe even attempt. Maybe it could even be treated as a boss battle that only lasts two turns where Freeza doesn't fight back, and Vegeta chastises you for wasting energy for nothing (Though, in a panicky way since Second Form Freeza is too powerful).Oh sounds like it'd be cool then.
They could also finish this with a Super-Beerus trailer revealing Tagoma, Shisami, Vados, Botamo and Magetta being added "for free" but only if you own Neo, like late additions held back to synergize with the anime
>>582403543>dralloc early saiyan saga>dralloc post saiyan saga
Boss, I'm changing sides, I work for demons now, bye.
>>582407564You come back right now and eat the boss's food!
You can check out anytime but you can never leave~
Pene
>>582413749BANNED
>>582413749Nice armpit
Hello /dbg/ divegrass manager here. as we grow closer to another vgl i do come to provide updates!-Today, Tomorrow and next friday. /dbg/ will be playing in a invitational so if you want to learn what virtual divegrass is today would be a good day to get a look (a link will be provided for when the match is on today)-A month from now /dbg/ will be playing in friendlies we were approached by /lcg/ /xivg/ and /mjg/ for friendlies!-At some point in the next few weeks ill be posting a roster suggestion for you guys to add your personal suggestion or funniest post to put on a poll on who should be on the team.
>>582418639NOBODY PUT SKOT BUT OLDI'M TELLING YOU /DBG/DON'T YOU DARE PUT GREY SKOT
>>582381679You can combo from potato fist into peepeepoopoo blast if you are using the "piccolo did nothing wrong" super soul
>>582418639We NEED SKOT Blanco.Let's hope the invitational goes as well as the Lads on Tour!
why did they do these poses
>>582361917I'd be curious to see how she'd handle drawing DBS monthly
>>582424806Saiyan DNA
>>582419098ok is this more acceptable?
what does this actually feel like? is it burning or stinging or maybe just nothing because of adrenaline
>>582427747Probably nothing because your nerves get destroyed on the spot?
>>582427747Cell didn't deserve this ;-;
>>582427747wave attacks are super weird because whether or not they actually damage you or just push you away seems to be inconsistent
>>582428854I always thought it depended on intent
>>582429884I dont really think Goku was intentionally softballing against vegeta back during saiyan saga
>>582428854It push if you're too tough to damage, like when you punch a brick.
>>582428854durability
>>582430507Vegeta isn't even that durable outside of saiyan saga, so it just looks really weird for his case.
>>582431501Durability scale with your power level, the power levels were close enough that he wasn't disintegrated, just pushed and hurt.
>>582431806the x4 kamehameha was a 32k pl versus vegeta's 18k, that's nearly double his powerlevel. Vegeta smoked Cui at 24k versus his 18k and that's around the level of the x3 kamehameha, much less the x4. It's this kind of autism that probably made toriyama drop powerlevels, honestly.
Actually you can argue that the x4 kamehameha should've been double vegeta's powerlevel or greater, as the kamehameha is supposed to hit harder than your base powerlevel, and not only did Vegeta tank that hit, he's only left with a few scuffs and a bit of broken armor but is largely fine.
>>582431983>the x4 kamehameha was a 32k pl versus vegeta's 18k,Vegeta had a PL of 24K with the Galick Gun, anon.
>>582432440Why would charging up a ki attack make vegeta's base powerlevel stronger
>>582432569Don't ask me, that's his official PL at the time.
>>582432667I mean, no it isn't. It'd have to be in order to contest the x3 kamehameha but there's no official source that just states vegeta's base powerlevel suddenly spiked to 24k for no reason. Even if that were true, Vegeta still nodiffed Cui with a similar gap
The funniest Saiyan Saga Vegeta agendapost is saying that actually Vegeta was able to easily facetank a x12 (Kamehamaha's ~x3 multiplier multiplied by 4) wave just fine. Now THIS is powerscaling
>>582432776Oh yeah, it was actually 27K.
>>582437020is there a source for any of these? I've never seen someone suggest that there's some sort of level of kaioken below kaioken x2 that goku was just using beforehand
>>582437351>is there a source for any of these?Don't remember if it was an old guidebook or magazine thing honestly.
>>582437864They're most likely fake, as a lot of them are outright contradicted by the powerlevels listed in Daizenshuu 7. I've never seen half of those powerlevels like "genki dama goku/ Krillin" listed anywhere, either.
>>582437020I like the implication that the genkidama just gets 10 times weaker after Goku gives it to Krillin because fuck him in particular, I guess.
>>582437990>They're most likely fake,Could be, it's just what I found in my 'guidebook' folder.
>>582439072There's only three guidebooks that do anything with powerlevels and all of them just reprint the Daizenshuu 7 one. There's other powerlevel sources like some old movie pamphlets or the manga itself, but neither of those have anything like that. Actually I just did some googling to see where exactly that picture come from and it lead me to someone's deviantart who was posting shit like this so I uhhh, Yeah.
>>582424806Toei for some reason chose to do callbacks in that fight as the end was near. Gohan and Buu also hit each other with kicks like Goku and Jackie Chun did in basically the same spots.
This caused me to go on a spree of looking up people's fan made powerlevels and the vast majority of them list Cell games Gohan as weaker than Goku and Cell games Goku equal in power to Cell. Fucked up.
>>582418639https://cytube.implying.fun/c/vgleague starts in 10 minutes
>>582438728That's obviously the full Genkidama he initially gathered vs the one he held onto while half-dead on the ground later. He says most of the genki was lost.
>>582439452>Final form Freeza is weaker than 1st form Freezakek
>>582442780Dragon Ball fans are one of the fanbases that struggle the most with media literacy big time. Which is ironic because DB is specifically designed to not require it, but literally anything that isn't explicitly spelled out in text will be 100% misunderstood or not picked up on anyway. It doesn't help most people talking about DB online are larpers who never saw the series to begin with, and next best is people who saw fragments of a bad dub acting as an authority over the first group
>>582446621>Which is ironic because DB is specifically designed to not require it, but literally anything that isn't explicitly spelled out in text will be 100% misunderstood or not picked up on anyway.Gohan being stronger than Goku is literally spelled out though, Gohan himself says that the level that Cell was fighting Goku at wouldn't be much of an issue for him to the point where Gohan just assumed Goku must have been holding back
>>582446820That's specifically not explicitly spelling it out, that's something where you have to interpret the subtext of why Gohan is unimpressed by Goku. The general mouthbreather demographic takes away nothing from that.
>>582446424My favorite one is the implication that mastered super saiyan is actually way weaker than grade 2 and 3 and that actually Goku's base is just way higher than the guys who were training in the time chamber for way longer
>>582446820Gohan assumed Goku had to be stronger than him and that's why he thought he was holding back against Cell.>>582446939I think the anime bothered to spell it out more. Or it was a dub thing.
>>582447643To be honest this entire conversation makes piccolo come off as comedically unreasonable because why exactly is he giving Goku shit for this? Gohan chose of his own mettle to go fight cell and very clearly wasn't really bothered by the idea. Honestly the chapters after this conversation generally feel like they pretend this conversation didn't happen
>>582446424but that's true, Frieza is unaware of actually being the strongest in his 1st form
>>582447643Piccolo was probably fine with it until Gohan started getting beat up because he wanted to stop at that point. And then Goku reveals that he was betting on Gohan getting his ass kicked to get mad.
>>582447643Trying to force Gohan into the protag role was so stupid. The fight with Cell was literally the first thing he'd done the entire Android/Cell arc.
>>582456256>Piccolo was probably fine with it until Gohan started getting beat upMy issue is that Gohan didn't start getting beat up, he took ONE punch from Cell and instantly gave up. >>582459618Hey that's not fair, he helped Yajirobe that one time
>>582459618>The fight with Cell was literally the first thing he'd done the entire Android/Cell arc.He did punch Gero once, but yes, nothing between that and fighting Cell. It's only after Cell went semi perfect that the story even hints Gohan will do something ("I want you to become stronger than me").
>>582439452>Freeza explicity says he's going to use 100% of his power>He even counts until he reaches 100%>deviantart guy interprets that as 400%
>>582461495I think the idea is to more just tamp down on power level inflation early by making frieza's numbers less big. It doesn't really explain the weird 400% autism though
>>582461606Even if you want to tone down how ridiculously high the numbers are, this is outright contradicting what the characters are saying. Even if you don't want to follow numbers, this both makes Freeza far weaker, and also somehow stronger (Because he can overclock his power to such an extent without any techniques) at the same time... Plus this is ignoring the claims Freeza makes about his own power (530k for first form, 1 million for second).
>>582462119Oh I know, I'm saying I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and this is them going out of their way to change power levels in general agnostic of what they actually say in the series as their own prefered version of things. It's just kind of arbitrary, though. As this again doesn't explain the 400% stuff
>>582428854Depends on what its hitting and the resistance the target has.When Yamcha blasted the saibaman the green goblin couldnt resist the force of it but the earth could, so it exploded when enough energy built up to that point against the ground.When Goku hit Vegeta, Vegeta was able to withstand the blast physically but not enough to stop being moved by it, so he rode the beam until he managed to push himself off. It didnt collide with anything else so just kept going.When Gohan or Goku hit Cell, he resisted it partially until enough energy built up and then exploded on him, in Gokus case. With Gohan Cell couldnt resist it at all and just atomized inside the beam.
>>582466532>he resisted it partially until enough energy built up and then exploded on him,When did that happen though, the warp kamehameha blows off his limbs essentially instantly. If anything, Gohan's Kamehameha didn't actually do all that much more physical damage to Cell than Goku's did
>>582432569>Why would charging up a ki attack make vegeta's base powerlevel strongerAnon that's literally what happens to the Kamehameha. These >>582437020 are fanmade bullshit tho
what would this feel like?
>>582468660No I understand charging up a Ki attack makes it stronger (Though it doesn't really make much sense for Vegeta to be capable of this as Raditz acts like this is something he's never seen before) But I'm saying that shouldn't make *Vegeta's* power level higher, as opposed to the power level of the Gallick Gun specifically. So he shouldn't be able to resist the damage of the kamehameha just because he's charging up a ki attack
>>582468835Probably nothing, your brain'd be crushed faster than you can actually feel anything
>>582447151Those pics are fake but that's literally how that specific thing worked, there's no such a thing as "mastered SS" as a different form, it's explained and shown to be just Goku used to his SS form to get better results training.Only a couple ANIME (not manga) guides pretended it's a separate form.
>>582471305even if you don't believe mastered super saiyan is a different form I largely believe that's just an argument of semantics, because the super saiyan gohan and goku are using RoSAT training is inarguably a lot stronger and in no way is it suggested that Gohan and Goku's bases are just inexplicably way stronger for no reason. Like you can just call that super saiyan or just use mastered super saiyan to refer to the power boost super saiyan got post training, but it absolutely got stronger
>>582469374Not to mention brains don't actually feel anything
>>582469374That and the brain doesn't really 'feel' pain and I doubt Gero put nerves in the casing.
>>582468391>If anything, Gohan's Kamehameha didn't actually do all that much more physical damage to Cell than Goku's didGranted Gohan wanted Cell to keep suffering so he wouldn't include enough force to kill him. Just enough to prevent him from destroying the Earth.
For any of you who bother with the JPN version, Dokkan showcased Buu's new VA.https://youtu.be/83grLFfTGTg
>>582483659Looks neat
>>582483659>Dokkan showcased Buu's new VA.He also got to voice Buu in that new mode in Sparking Zero.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMkdO5nmOJsI think he sounds a little better in Dokkan.
God, I can't take the whole 'Shadow Dragons were a good concept' nonsense people repeat. They are shit even conceptually, that's NOT what the DBs are supposed to be.
>>582485667I think the idea of "fighting enemies based off of the wishes of the dragonballs" is a fun concept. As i've suggested before, just have some other namekian like slug use magic on the dragonballs to make them come alive or something, that'd be fun
>>582485935That's not really the same concept as 'Punishing the '''overuse'''' of DB'.
https://youtu.be/POJoGiNffu4SSB Vegeta is the second character of Squadra's season 7.
>>582490296Already? Damn
>>582490296Extremely fucking disappointed This also means most likely Blue Goku is the final character
>>582490296>not a tankwow how bold of them
>>582490296>Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta>Not a transforming character>Has the Evolved auraWhat's up with that?
>>582493243I am severely disappointed he doesn't transform, but yeah the aura looks like Evo for some reason. I hope we still get SSBKK somehow, even if it's just a skill.
>>582490296Since the star system is ending, does that mean we won't be able to get the third character before the big update, without using gems?
>>582431983>Vegeta smoked Cui at 24k versus his 18k and that's around the level of the x3 kamehameha, much less the x4.That's because Cui lost his courage (one of the core components of ki) and lowered his guard.
>>582494428Blue Kaioken for SSB Goku should be a given considering he used it constantly.
>>582495337I don't think it's ever been suggested that courageous people are stronger and can take hits more in this series. That may be true for like, irl Chi mechanics but I don't think that's how this works
>>582431983My headcanon is that Goku was too tired at that point and his power level had dropped considerably, so the KK4 didn't put him that much above 18000. If he had somehow forced himself to use KK4 from the start of the fight he probably could have killed Vegeta.
>>582495491I mean I really took it for granted that Evo was for sure gonna be a transformation, but we got this shit.
>>582495653>I don't think it's ever been suggested that courageous people are stronger and can take hits more in this series.Toriyama never actually explained how ki works in the series itself, no, but "having the right presence of mind" is a pretty consistent theme in Dragon Ball. It's the reason why Nappa was actually able to hold his own against Goku for a bit once Vegeta told him to calm down (despite what people think, Goku didn't actually have twice Nappa's PL in his base form), and why Vegeta is shown instantly fodderizing enemies like Cui or Dodoria when they devolve into sniveling little cowards.
>>582496662>and why Vegeta is shown instantly fodderizing enemies like Cui or Dodoria when they devolve into sniveling little cowards.I mean you could say that as much as you could say that it's essentially narrative convenience to oneshot them because the battle is effectively over by that point
>>582494578Probably not yeah. The character will likely be available in the next season but by then it won't be a moba anymore, so if you want to get the next character while the game is a moba you have to use gems... Assuming Namco doesn't make him available but they're too jewish for that.
>>582497423>narrative convenience I don't disagree, but there's not really a contradiction here. If you act like a cowardly sissy bitch crying for daddy Frieza to come save you, you die like one.
>>582496662> It's the reason why Nappa was actually able to hold his own against Goku for a bit once Vegeta told him to calm down (despite what people think, Goku didn't actually have twice Nappa's PL in his base form)The issue is you're only applying this one way from Nappa towards the Z fighters. Being courageous has never onced helped a protagonist do anything but get fodderized by someone stronger than him but suddenly nappa gets a boost from his courage? Also I don't think it's really fair to imply people are objectively wrong to think Nappa is 4k and Goku is 8k when those are the official powerlevels in every source (including the source from shounen jump itself published when the Vegeta fight was still ongoing) Nappa not getting instantly fodderized by goku is just one of those weird things like Vegeta not getting eviscerated by the x4 kamehameha
>>582496260Yeah, but Evo's only been used in the ToP. Blue Kaioken's been used in multiple arcs.
>>582497832>The issue is you're only applying this one way from Nappa towards the Z fighters.I'm not? >Being courageous has never onced helped a protagonist do anything but get fodderized by someone stronger than him???Did we read the same arc? All of the Dragon Team were far weaker than Nappa was and were getting their asses kicked, yet neither were they completely helpless to do anything either. Even a complete shitter like Chiaotzu managed to survive a huge slam from Nappa long enough to gather energy to blow himself up. Gohan was the one panicking and getting blitzed by fucking saibamen of all things, solely because he didn't have his head in the game.>but suddenly nappa gets a boost from his courage?That time was shoki, rather than yuki. And you misunderstood: He was performing worse just because he was so flustered before Vegeta set him straight.>Also I don't think it's really fair to imply people are objectively wrong to think Nappa is 4k and Goku is 8k when those are the official powerlevels in every source (including the source from shounen jump itself published when the Vegeta fight was still ongoing) Nappa not getting instantly fodderized by goku is just one of those weird things like Vegeta not getting eviscerated by the x4 kamehamehaYou can just read the manga to know Nappa isn't actually half Goku's strength lol. No matter how pompous or arrogant Vegeta is, he of all people should have the best measure of Nappa's abilities.. Why would he tell Nappa he can hold his own Goku *after* the scouter reading confirmed Goku could go at least as high as 8k, yet if the Daishenzuu is to be believed, a 500 power level difference between Piccolo and Nappa devolves into totally one-sided curb-stomps? Are we supposed to believe that Nappa is just that much more skilled than Piccolo that he could make up the difference? Also>official>Mr. Popo is listed as nearly 5 times stronger than Kami for some reason (who is somehow weaker than Piccolo Daimaou)lol
>>582500819>Even a complete shitter like Chiaotzu managed to survive a huge slam from Nappa long enough to gather energy to blow himself up.Big slam from Nappa? Anon rereading the fight, Chaitzou is never once attacked by Nappa, Tien instantaneously gets his arm punched off by Nappa and gets combo'd(in fact, he is the one slammed) and Chaitzou does the explosion to try and save him, which does nothing. Tien was in fact incredibly helpless to do absolutely anything against Nappa in that fight as well. The only time he or anyone else could do anything against Nappa in that fight is when they catch him off guard due to him focusing on a different attacker. Though, overall I don't think having your head in the game or being into the fight is a particular mechanic of the setting as much as it is just kind of basic fight coreography and shounen tropes. You can make it a part of the setting, like how oda made the spiritual pressure trope into conquerer's haki but that doesn't make it inherently a thing in of itself.
Honestly I don't really see any reasonable powerlevel for Nappa that keeps him congruent with everything that happens. If you buy him needing to be close to 8k in order to compete with Goku when not angry then him going out of his way to explicitly deflect Gohan's final 2.8k Masenko(to the point where Nappa even said that stung a little and his hand is visibly bruised) is kind of comical.
>>582503504>Honestly I don't really see any reasonable powerlevel for Nappa that keeps him congruent with everything that happens.Saiyan saga power levels are a mess. 32k Goku should've vaporized 18k/24k Vegeta, yet Vegeta used the secret "move slightly to the left" technique that avoids most damage.
Rom doing the AoD dance from ZZZ
>>582508972The what
>>582508972Based
>>582511745This, and don't give me shit about the webm, I saved it to show you the dance.
>>582515035Me in the back
>>582515035Moe Ball General...
Do you think Rom is going to be popular once the game comes out?
>>582485667>>582486163it would be good if the "overuse" of the DB had the dragons be like a completely separate species come alive and coming to earth seeking revenge or something. A third party that autonomously decided that people used the DBs too much, instead of the DBs themselves doing it, and then each stole a dragon ball claiming it as theirs and shit.Virtually nothing changes, except it "fixes" the thing about the DBs, that were created specifically to grant wishes, being mad that people used them
>>582519368Hopefully not, but the fandom will try to force her for a while like they did #21 (who is now largely forgotten).Modern vTuber pandering characters are so generic and forced
>forgotten post discarded
few schizos on /v/ don't countnobody cares about #21 or her game anymore
women have no place in dragonball, there's a reason why only 18,videl, vidal, zanguya and fasha only mattered to porn for a bit and even then the bulk of dragonball porn isn't the females it's the men, the dirty side of this fnbse is filled with fujoshis, we barely have coomers here like say one piece or naruto where they will start throwing fits over waifuism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHQULu7361Q
>>582471620>in no way is it suggested that Gohan and Goku's bases are just inexplicably way stronger for no reasonIndeed, it's not for no reason, it's because keeping SS at all times increased their gains.
>>582520753You say this but this fandom has accepted Caulifla and Kale despite them being mary sues just because they found Kefla to be attractive.And even crap characters like Ribrianne are added to games now regularly and fandom isn't even throwing a fit over them wasting spots.
>>582520753nigga you gay
>>582418639heres the result from yesterdays game.Today: playing against /hanny/ 1st match of the day
>>582523301>Goku is the one who brings up the idea of improving super saiyan first>Several chapters are spent on the idea of improving super saiyan>Several different avenues of improving super saiyan are brought up>Goku settles on a different avenue of improving super saiyan>Actually super saiyan didn't get improved at all and their base forms are just stronger despite the fact that they've managed to completely tame the form and they're using it completely differently from normalI think this is just contrarianism at this point
>>582526721>this fandom has accepted Caulifla and Kale despite them being mary suesI like how back tingle was likely supposed to be a way to fix another Goten and Trunks situation from happening but it just made people angrier
>>582504441>18k/24k VegetaI don't see how Vegeta could be that latter power level. That'd make him stronger than Dodoria and Zarbon just by default. His Galick gun has to contest Goku's kamehameha SOMEHOW and no matter what you're contradicting something. Either you contradict radtiz's statement that buffing your powerlevel through Ki attacks is something he's never seen before or you're contradicting later power level statements from Dodoria. You just can't win
>>582528718it wouldn't be dragonball if it didn't contridict itself several times over, toriyama was very much a fly by the seat of his pants kinda guy, toyotaro is too technical, fanbase is too wanna make it edgy and cool and Toei are too ridiculous
>>582530024I just don't think this is a contradiction though. The Vegeta and Nappa power level stuff is a mess, yeah. But post RoSAT goku and gohan's super saiyan being a powered up form of base super saiyan is the least convoluted and contradictory thing in the series, it's extremely straightforward and I've only ever seen that one anon in here having a vendetta against the idea
>>582528878I mean Goten and Trunks at least had Super Saiyan Parents (not entirely sure in case of Vegeta but maybe?)
>>582531659Goten and Trunks felt like the franchise ripping the band-aid off early and just saying "we don't need to justify people having super saiyan anymore. It's an outdated form that does nothing on its own, just give it to them" and then that hard cratered with pan to the point where we're back to needing to justify giving people Super Saiyan
>>582531861but why, Pan has nothing to do with Super Saiyan.
>>582534324she doesn't have it, which kind of implies it's difficult for her to get so we're back to the pre goten/ trunks super saiyan satus quo. Goku and Vegeta Junior both have it for free like usual but no one gives a FUCK about them
>>582534527desu Goku Jr put more effort than Goten into getting it and it took emotional trauma. Vegeta Jr probably by training again, since he gives off these vibes
>>582529569>and no matter what you're contradicting something.It's the nature of making up as you go along, which was specially common back then. I read Hokuto no Ken recently up until Raoh, and the retcons can be pretty obvious, such as Toki's hair being white after getting radiation poisoning, but Kenshiro earlier being tricked from an impersonator with black hair, and Mamiya having an UD brand on the back of her shoulder, despite being shown naked earlier and nobody commenting on it.
>>582536892Yeah, poking at dragonball and noticing more and more weird things about the plotting is one of my hobbies. Usually it's focused on Namek saga but it's fun to see some stuff in Saiyan Saga too. I was always aware powerlevels were bullshit but I didn't know it fell apart that fast
>>582536009Pan underwent a lot of emotional trauma in the Baby arc than Goku Jr. did in a single special
>>582537087>Usually it's focused on Namek saga but it's fun to see some stuff in Saiyan Saga too.Namek contradicts everything about saiyan saga Vegeta too, which I find particularly funny.>Raditz talks like saiyans are self employed, which contradicts that they're Freeza's grunts, and not even his strongest ones. Similarly, Vegeta and Nappa decided to travel to Earth on a whim to become immortal. Post Namek this is an open act of rebellion>Vegeta deciding to kill Nappa because he can't fight anymore makes little sense since later on we got healing pods>Vegeta thinking to himself he's the strongest in the universe when he should know there are 7 guys stronger than him, and one who's his equal (And that's without including later additions like Avo, Cado, and Beerus, all of which Vegeta knew about)>Nappa calling Gohan as a super saiyan is treated way too lightly considering how much importance Vegeta puts on the legend later on>Vegeta's durability in general. He tanks way more in saiyan saga than the rest of the manga, with Namek Vegeta particularly going down fast against ZarbonIn saiyan saga, we have oddities too>Krillin completely forgetting that saiyans can train their tails, despite it not working on Goku years before.>Gohan mentioning that Goku told him Piccolo wasn't as bad as Piccolo Daimaoh. In the previous arc, Goku himself had said Piccolo was as bad as Piccolo Daimaoh>A small one, but in, OG Roshi said that Grandpa Gohan had found a kid in the wilds. In saiyan saga, that's changed to a toddler
>>582473918My headaches feel remarkably like the brain hurting
>>582539143I honestly meant to say Androids/ Cell as opposed to Namek but I guess even that has its fair few issues
>>582528718Anon I know you are hurt your headcanon was never real but read the fucking manga. Goku reaches the same evolution of SS Vegeta and Trunks did, then Goku says it's a shit form and it's better if they stay as SS and train, then they stay as SS and train and turns out that was better than getting the new SS the characters explored. You even get Trunks questioning if that state makes it so they can transform into SS on top of SS since they are treating SS like a base form or some bullshit like that and Vegeta calls him a fucking retard.There are only two improved forms of SS in the manga, the "grade" 2-3 and the SS2-SS3.
>>582540347 (me)Not to mention it breaks all short of shit later. Is the power up permanent or not? If it is, then did Vegeta spend months using SS at all times between the Cell and Boo arcs too to get it? Then what about the SS forms of Goten and present Trunks? They are compared to the adults many times in that arc, Gohan himself thinks the kids will surpass him but he has an "advanced" SS form and they don't, so are Goten and Trunks base forms just drastically stronger than Gohan's? When we consider Gotenks power against the Boos and compare it to Goku's we have to nerf Gotenks' SS form compared to Goku's since he doesn't have the advanced SS? What about other saiyans? Cabba goes from weaker but pretty close to Vegeta in base form and this is apparently maintained in SS, shouldn't Cabba's SS be a fucking joke compared to Vegeta's since he just got SS? Of course these problems don't exist if this advanced SS state only applies as long you are using SS as base but then why did Goku and Gohan do it only once and never again? Not even the times in Super they use the RoSaT and stuff?Or you could just read the scene where Goku comes up with the idea and see he wasn't coming up with a new form above SS but just a good training method after the new form above SS he discovered turned out to be disappointing.
>>582540347Anon, I'm saying that what Goku and Gohan are using isn't an alternate form of Super Saiyan but is just straight up an improved version of the normal form, They've eliminated the extreme strain the form puts you under (that was never mentioned to be a thing at all whatsoever until this point, but we're ignoring that) so Goku and Gohan are able to draw more power out of it because they're no longer fighting the strain of the form. I think that's perfectly fine to just call mastered super Saiyan to separate it out from base super Saiyan, even if it's just an improved version of the original form. Again, it's semantics, but super saiyan as it is post rosat isn't really protayed to be the exact same thing pre rosat.
>>582541295I don't think Vegeta spending a few months during the seven year gap to train up super saiyan is much of discrepancy at all. Past that, I don't really think Toriyama gave much of a shit about the mechanics of super saiyan anymore by Buu saga, he gave Goten and Trunks super saiyan as a gag and gave Gotenks super saiyan 3 for free as another one. In fact, the idea of Super Saiyan being this extremely straining form is never once brought up again in general past the one time in cell saga. Goten, Trunks, Cabba, Caulifla, etc never once express any sort of strain towards being in the form. Goku also implies that you have to train super saiyan in the first place to be able to access it reliably and that was also something that never comes up after Gohan gets it. I just don't think Toriyama gives a fuck. It's not like setting mechanics don't just get completely dropped sometimes. Kamehameha was supposed to essentially double goku's PL when he uses it and that never comes up again after Raditz.
>>582519368She's popular now, what do you mean?
>>582544779definitive proof that transforming into a new form is like taking fighting for your life on the toilet
>>582544932I've wondered if Toriyama had considered making a gag of someone turning super saiyan because they got a real bad diarrhea.
Vaugeposting dipshit goku was so funny, why was he like this. Motherfucker wouldn't even confirm that he HAD a plan
>>582545619Goku at some point just felt like fucking around. He was even worse in Buu saga.>"Vegeta was as strong as me, and he lost. I stand no chance against Buu.">"I don't think I could have beaten Buu">"Back then I could've beaten the chubby Majin Buu"He just lied to Krillin and Piccolo multiple times for no reason.
>>582546038>Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta all undergo dramatic changes in characterization after spending large lengths of time in and around super saiyanMaybe we should study if that strain Piccolo was talking about was causing brain damage
https://youtu.be/GNR6FB_Vr4kSSB Vegeta's Squadra trailer.>His passive is similar to Jiren's. Skills activating his frontal shield means that counter sniping him would be difficult. Ironically SSB himself counters him given his AoE attacks. Worth noting the passive is only active when he releases an attack, so charging with S2 won't trigger it>S1 looks like a mix of Trunks' S3 and Bojack's S3. Generation a smoke and being an AoE attack. The game specifically calls it a zone so it likely triggers Black's passive, so SSB/Black can be a respectable duo>S2 is a cool take on chargeable attacks, where it actually becomes smaller the longer you charge, but more damaging. A little odd for him to have a move like this though, given that he's a zoner>S3 allows him to use other skills while it's active (He'll interrupt it to use the other skill). Because he shoots so many ki blasts, this is the go to skill to use if someone gets close, vanishing away while putting a frontal shield. His go to panic button, specially since its own CD is lowered the more enemies you hit, similar to Kefla's S1 (Only Kefla's S1 lowers vanish CD, while SSB Vegeta's S3 simply gives him better defenses)>Ult also seems to be panic button with that barrier. I can see it being used as a defensive measure to prevent players from stealing bosses. It doing extra damage to players using ults sounds gimmicky but can have its uses>Overall he seems to be a tanky DPS, so perhaps Build Up/Adrenaline Power/Turtle Shell are his go to cards>The menu animation is hilariously terrible and stiff. They really seem like they ran out of budget
>>582545619Goku in the Cell Saga felt as if he knew Toriyama would kill him.
>>582550249As other anons have brought up before, Goku does have this kind of weirdly somber and slightly defeatist tone about him. Which is interesting, but also doesn't really line up at all with how he is before or after this arc
>>582550898Maybe Toriyama planned to have Cell actually kill Goku during their fight to trigger Gohan's SS2 instead of him giving up and dying later anyway.
>>582551623That makes a weird amount of sense? It explains why Goku wouldn't tell anyone the plan (they'd try to stop him or talk him out of it) and explains why he's seemingly so somber and resigned to everything. I guess you'd miss out on the Cell juniors and 16's death, I guess.
>>582552291Toriyama probably thought it would have been a bit too morbid if Goku manipulated Gohan like that. Even letting Cell beat the shit out of Gohan to try anger him sounds tame in comparison.
>>582552413I mean it's not really manipulation, to be fair. Goku's always been the kind of guy to fight till his last breath, after all. There would just be nothing up his sleeve this time around.
>>582552413I think the most fucked up thing is that would mean bulma's offhand comment she meant in jest essentially drove her best friend to suicide
https://cytube.implying.fun/c/vgleague another day another match
I was checking out some of the dragonball volume extras for the first time and like>android 18 is listed among the main characters, probably because of history of trunks, I guess >her description makes sure to mention that unlike the future counterparts, these androids are a lot nicerFunny how they made sure to highlight this fact this late in the game like it was a plot relevant question that Toriyama was planning to actually answer
Tenkaichi 1 has the best story mode of the 3.
>>582519629That'd actually make sense, some wannabe arbiter of the cosmos or something that DON'T actually have any authority.>>582515035Cute
>>582539143>Vegeta deciding to kill Nappa because he can't fight anymore makes little sense since later on we got healing podsThat was specifically Vegeta being evil and Nappa was shocked by it, it wasn't about healing or not, it was 'you failed me, so you die'.
>>582539143>In the previous arc, Goku himself had said Piccolo was as bad as Piccolo Daimaoh4 years happened between the two, anon.>>582544779Based
>>582557556>'you failed me, so you die'.Funny how Toei extrapolated Vegeta doing this to Frieza and Ginyu killing their soldiers for basically anything.
>>582548861Doesn't sound too OP.
>>582557875It doesn't yeah. S2 being charged can make it into an okay kaioshin stealer, but that'll have its own counters. Not sure how good that S1 is gonna be without a slow debuff, and if anything, it might be just like 1geta's S2. S3 is probably going to be his best move.
>using the outdated blue coloryikes
What's your DB related guilty pleasure?
>>582565514GT
>>582565514Super
>>582565514Z
>>582565514The rock music used in the dub movies
>>582541403>They've eliminated the extreme strain the form puts you underAnd that's not a power up. Not more of a power up than calming yourself mid battle, and certainly not enough to give the thing a separate name or category or anything at all. Goku and Gohan got used to SS, that's literally all there is to it.>>582542363>is never once brought up again For starters it was never EXTREMELY straining, just straining, and it was brought up again in the Boo arc by the elder Kaioshin.>you have to train super saiyan in the first place to be able to access it reliably And that has been consistent with everything but Cabba. Goten and Trunks inherited SS, they didn't have to "unlock" and train it so they are out, Broly couldn't go SS at will until SH and he had to train, Caulifla has two versions, in the anime she figures out the trick to go SS at will before even transforming subconsciously like others so she went straight for the training part, and in the manga it was offscreen so we don't know if she was able to turns it on and off any time. Kale also has two versions, in the anime she does like Caulifla and fucks up, and it's not until a couple of more transformations that she can go SS at will, and in the manga she only transformed once and was out of control all the time.The only saiyan who unlocked SS and was able to turn it off and off just like that, under complete control of the form was Cabba. Forms unlocked subconsciously needing some practice to be activated at will was never abandoned.
>>582570734>And that's not a power up.they're more powerful by a pretty significant margin due to being able to access more of the power of the form. If it walks like a powerup and talks like a powerup, it's a powerup.> Goten and Trunks inherited SSNo they didn't that's a complete headcanon. It's a reasonable headcanon, and one I personally think is valid, but headcanon nonetheless. we're given zero indication of how they got super saiyan, you can't just say it makes sense because you're using your prefered interpretation about how they got super saiyan.
>>582571301>by a pretty significant marginHeadcanon based on your predisposition to considering it a separate form based on non-canon anime guides. Goku and Gohan trained, they are stronger because they trained, they got a nice training method, better than Vegeta's and Trunks' so they got stronger, and on top of that they aren't super excited and tired when using SS, which also helps surely, but the biggest gains coming from said lack of strain rather than... you know, training, which was what they did for months, is the headcanon you came up with because you grew up believing there was a "grade 4 SS".>complete headcanonToriyama said Goten was able to turn SS because he INHERITED lots of S-Cells from Goku. And if you wanna be that way you could also say Goten and Trunks not practicing to go SS at will is also headcanon, we are just shown they treat the transformation as something casual, but as far we know they could have struggled with it at... idk, 5 year old, and needed a few weeks until they could trigger it at will.
>>582572967>Headcanon based on your predisposition to considering it a separate form based on non-canon anime guidesI've already acquiesced to the idea that post RoSAT super saiyan isn't a full ass different form several times, anon. It's super saiyan with the strain removed so they can access more of its power. Everything that scene talks about is in reference to the super saiyan they're using, not its training. But we're going in circles because you fiercly hate the idea of this thing so whatever we're talking about the Goten and Trunks stuff now. >And if you wanna be that way you could also say Goten and Trunks not practicing to go SS at will is also headcanonwell yeah that's my point, Toriyama didn't really give a shit about super saiyan mechanics past cell saga and just kind of handed people whatever they needed to have for the plot to work. The fact that there's differences between the anime and manga in how the u6 saiyans get super saiyan sure leans towards the idea that he didn't give a shit on that front either as they weren't in his napkin notes.
>>582565514Don't think i have one.
how does old kai even know about the hyper niche and specific interaction of super saiyan and the potara
>>582539143>>A small one, but in, OG Roshi said that Grandpa Gohan had found a kid in the wilds. In saiyan saga, that's changed to a toddlerThis is the biggest stretch I've ever seen, lmao
>>582555353I remember not liking it. Explain why it would be the best
>>582565514The 3rd Broly movie
>>>/sp/157937484a Saints fan posted the ORE WA SUPA BEJITA pose and his team lose, read the replies
>>582576119He doesn't and is wrong about it
>>582595664I guess he was just objectively talking out of his ass these days given the potara isn't permanent on mortals
>>582553753Man, I missed the match, it sucks. Did we win?
>>582566606They're pretty catchy.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLt-n6gt1Tc
>>582515035damm they've got hips
>>582565514Kamehasutra
>>582565514Bulma and Chichi doing it with Goku and Goten respectively
>>582565514I like Dragon Ball, all of it. Z, Super, GT, Daima. The entire franchise is my guilty pleasure and I hope to see more of it. Looking forward to Moro.
>not even a new Goku drawing for Jump Fest>now they took him out altogether from the logoThere must be CHAOS behind the scenes holy crap.Where's the pushy reporters when you need then
>>582623757Dragon Ball gets it's own events, stop being dramatic
>>582628317If a new Genkidamatsuri was supposed to happen it would be announced by now.Next event is Battle Hour 2027 and that's game centric.
>>582628954Actually, last Genkidamatsuri was announced in October.
Dragon Ball NEED more incest.
>>582630285True.
Shueisha execs must be fuming.
>>582632773>People thinking that means Capsule Corp Tokyo took full ownershipYea right, copyright doesn't work that way and Shueisha would never let go one of the most profitable franchises in the world
>>582633490Shueisha is retarded and they already lost anime and movie rights.
>DBS Beerus episode count gets leaked>both the Japanese and Global DB account tweet out Goku Black's you are nextLMAO!!
>>582635630How the fuck are they gonna do Goku Black before Galactic Patrol comes out?
>>582635630how many episodes is it?
>>58263771019 total
>>582635630Still remember the tard here who argued me all day over the remake leaks being fake despite the evidence that Toei started DMCA'ing them all overmust've been around the same time last year
I'm not complaining about new races being added to Xenoverse, but does anyone else think Bio-Android would've been a better choice than Humans with different stats?
death slicer? i hardly know her!
>>582639137No shit, anon.>>582639176Damn.
>>582636487its just a remaster anongalactic patrol isnt coming till late 2027. 8 episodes for Black is enough time
When are we going to be able to make our own special moves in these games instead of just copying other characters'? Third game in the series do something actually new and exciting ffs.
>>582639137should be a transformation at leastbut really they should just use heroes' classes
21 spicy date
Twittertards found this somewhere out of their a$$ and genuinely believe it LMAO
>>582635630So that means Season 1 is the first 3 arcs (Beerus, Frieza, Universe 6), and Season 2 will be Goku Black. That said, will they keep the Beerus subtitle, or change it for Season 2?
>>582615008On the other hand Bulma-Gohan definitely happened in the future timeline
>>582652651They have to change it because it makes no sense anymore, but it's not obvious what it should be. I had an idea that Goku Black and the Tournament of Power can be in one "series" called DBS: Zeno. I think this would be similar in nature to Beerus
>>582651895The U6 tournament was only like 13 episodes to begin with, so this wouldn't be cut down very much
>>582565514Goku fucking Videl
>>582645657Nico sexo
>>582653174If Beerus cut down those arcs from 41 episodes to 19, how many episodes would Goku Black and the ToP have?
>>582561584>Revival of F gave Goku and Vegeta new clothing just so the blue hair doesn't clash>Afterwards they just slap their old cloths back on with the toothpaste hairweird
>>582656775Super breathed on nostalgiabait. Though I'm surprised the U6 tournament arc kept the outfits and only after it ends they get changed.
>>582653847It was like 20
>>582658806No, you only get that number if you include the following filler episodes with no relation to the plot
What the hell was with all of the Christian imagery in GT
>>582661961?
>>582662202pic is literally standing like a cross
>>582663545It really is not
>>582663545>pic is literally standing like a crossX
>>582661961>>582666167It makes no sense why piccolo chose to die to make the dragon balls disappear in GT because dende became kami.
>>582666323but BSDBs were still tied to old Kami for reasons, so he deactivated these
>>582661961It's fucking hilarious how after early GT failed in going back to the OG DB roots, they went far the other way starting with Baby and made it extremely somber. Characters on their last legs, permanent kills for the good guys beyond Android 16, color palette, imagery, etc.
>>582668183No, they didn't really went far the other way, otherwise Goku would stay an adult, which thankfully they did not. The writers of GT had balls to stay by their decisions.
>>582668183I prefer early GT to early OG DB so it succeeded for me.
>no Goku>even though goku was in these before Is Shueisha just being petty because of the CCT thing?
>>582668183I wonder what GT would've looked like had they not thrown out all their scripts and overhauled everything only a few episodes into production.
>>582666323>>582666993The Black Star Dragon Balls were made by the nameless namekian before splitting into Kami and Piccolo, so they became active again when they merged in the android saga
TIL Ultimate Tenkaichi is internally known as Raging Blast 3.Also, the guy that's working on an RB2 PC port with mods and shit ("Keep Tryin") is apparently looking into doing a PC port of UT too I guess.
>>582670415And by that, I mean, what if they had their "this adventure material isn't going to work no matter what" realization early and planned accordingly, rather than writing by the seat of their pants to twist GT into something it wasn't intended to be.
>>582670425Good thing no one noticed
>>582668183I found it funny this scene was played up as so somber, but Satan was around talking in his usual goofy voice right before telling Goku to kick Super 17's ass.
>>582653174Black = ep 47 through 67 (total 21 episodes)ToP = ep 97 through 131 (total 35 episodes)21 + 35 = 56 episodesremaster half of 56 = 28 episodesOr, the Black arc won't be cut down much, but the fights will be redone and the remaster will be separate from ToP.
>>582670234Yes. Toei and Iyoku made them furious since they don't have full control of DB anymore.
>>582635630>>both the Japanese and Global DB account tweet out Goku Black's you are nextwhere is the link
>>582669248Sure they kept Goku as a kid even after unlocking SS4 and still had some gags, but overall it really becomes more depressing in some aspects compared to the early episodes.
>>582670425Even then it doesn't really make sense, because the fusion in the Android Saga used Piccolo as the base. It's not completely the same being.
>>582670548I'm not surprised, the game is outright called Ultimate Blast in Japan.
>>582670548I do wonder at what point did Spike think to themselves "we should pivot our flagship arena fighter series to rock-paper-scissors gameplay". Like, what was the decision there?
>>582521467>SJ Modpack for SZ>Kickstarted by Nyoh972 who already made a number of high quality crossover character modsI dig it.I usually don't, I'm too autistic to like "Naruto modded into a Dragon Ball game" because it's usually low quality crap with bad models, or textures, or 0 animation work, etc.Nyoh's mods are pretty well done though.
>>582682995You think he'll add obscure Jump characters like Luckyman or Hentai Kamen?
>>582672556You have to account for the recruitment phase before the ToP proper begins
>>582672556Pan is so cute bros
Pan is ugly trash! Just like her father!! Just like her grandpa!!!
>>582682668knowing what bamco's like, they probably took one look at the reviews for RB2 and went OKAY SPIKE TIME TO PIVOT and made them cook up that crap when they were originally just planning on doing what they did with BT and putting out a third entry with new characters (presumably mostly GT going off gogeta and omega)
>>582682668I can guess that the main idea was "make fights more spectacular and cinematic", but the implementation was terrible
>>582695834Perhaps they considered how popular Budokai 3 was, and that game had an RPS cutscene mechanic. However, that is one of the worst parts of that game
Pan is pretty art! Just like her father!! Just like her grandpa!!!
>>582698892Dragon Rush looks visually so damn cool that it was in fact, one of the best parts of the game. To this day, no other DB game gives off that feeling you get from watching that.
>>582701696Maybe if it wasn't the exact same animation over and over
>>582701529Wrong, they're SHIT
>>582681776Feels like a mockery desu. 1st Raging Blast looked good but then 2 and UT went hard on the plastic look.>>582698892Still I wonder who gave the okay to make that the ENTIRE system. No one playtested their BS?
>>582303936>devs admitted they watered everything down for tenkaichi arena fighter smoothbrains>"revamp"
>>582380915>>582367634Stuff like this makes me wish we had a dedicated leak friend here instead on the usual circlejerk fags on twitter.Hell, /opg/ (or the second /dbs/ to some people) use to have a goku avatarposter leaking Egghead Island Arc stuff in advance because they wanted to see more admiral-focused stuff soon.
>>582454191>Hybrid, i remember you're gut punch
>>582715249Are there other examples of doing an entire change of gameplay AFTER a game is released? Still feels surreal.
>>582638348He's still here making more weird cope arguments, not going to specify because god forbid i have to see here turn into current /ffg/ or /dbs/-lite again.
>>582639137prompt?
People don't really talk about it (aside from the lack of animal people) but it's weird how dragonball earth got less and less mystical over time until it just kind of became vaugely scifi earth. Stuff like the dragonballs still exist, obviously, but that just felt like one part of the whole setting being generally mystical and wacky
What's the one thing you're waiting for this franchise to give to you?For me it's playable super saiyan 4 CACsanother thing I want is to see if my theory is right that Black Freiza will be wicked popular once he's animated, I don't see Ugo Vegeta being all that popular unless the anime really changes up how he got his ass beat in all 3 fights he used the form in, I mean Vegeta's record is pretty lousy in general but if he's gonna job can he at least job cooly like Gojo or Renji? Like make his Ops work for it instead of the humiliation of knocking himself out or just standing there waiting to be blown up and knocking himself out again while his opponent was wincing and trembling as he approached to hit him only to start laughing, like tht kinda shit is too humiliating even more so when he doesn't even use it in the saiyan brawl at the end of the series, like after seeing that's whos gonna waste money trying to buy ego vegeta for any games xenoverse 3 fans might pay for ultra ego on their CACs if they do away with free updates but it could easily blow ass like UIM does in xv2 to the point nobody serious uses the form anymore
>>582718797I just want the franchise to move past End of Z. That's just about the only thing I care specifically for by this point. Chronoa seems to have safely made the jump to xv3 and her survival was one of the few things I was worried about
>>582717234I made it with grok"create perfect cell from dragon ball z in ralph mcquarrie artstyle"
>>582720763I'd get namekian ears a lot but considering some of toriyama's concept sketches of cell had ears like hat it's not too bad.
>>582717571That's what happens when you gain the ability to fly and start outclassing normal humans in strength and speed, similar to some RPGs. The Mystical Adventure requires the world to be big, the feet to be on the ground, and the stakes to be high, otherwise it feels small, making the narrative demand more spectacular battles instead as the adventure goes beyond Earth. This is also reflected in the martial arts, flying and moving at hypersonic speeds sacrifices much of the need for fluidity and tactics, just zip in and punch and kick each other, throw the occasional ki blast, and hope that maybe a random power up gives you what you need to get the upper-hand
>>582717571Most pressing to me is that Super consistently depicts the Earth with a continental layout identical to the real world Earth. The Dragon Ball setting is a lost technology in the modern day because very few people have really spent time with early Dragon Ball, and I think critically the producers at Toei themselves have not.>>582723887The combatants have had superhuman stats since the first arc, retard. You are indeed one of the people without true understanding of early Dragon Ball.
>>582718797I want fully customizable transformation lines. I want to create forms that don't exist.>Ultra Instinct Super Saiyan 4>Crimson Fridges>Orange Kaioken Namekians>Ultra Ego Perfect Android>Fit Super Majin 3>Max Power Four Witches>Super Maximum Lightspeed Giant>Lovely Love-Love Prince of Destruction>Baby-Infected God of Destruction>Great Saiya-Mecha
>>582661961>>582663545PrinceGasVegeta, you're drunk, go listen to Nightwish, you weirdo.https://youtu.be/PhltsowFFMU
>>582724167>The combatants have had superhuman stats since the first arcTrue, but they weren't quite otherworldly yet. There was still plenty of character throughout Dragon Ball that Goku struggled with prior to say King Piccolo, particularly Yamcha (albeit Yamcha won on a fluke), Tien, Roshi, and Tao.
>>582721206>>582720763I was accidentally following a slopfag artist who was posting stuff that looks like if Frank Frazetta was high and watch Dragon's Heaven and Evangelion on a full night sitting.If Grok actually pulling off something like that, that's pretty nice. If only i could do inpainting and referencing like with NovelAI
>>582720763Reminds me of Zetman
>>582724169and if Dimps won't do it, then i guess the first people who might do this type of thing is an indie game.
>>582725585Goku struggles with opponents much more frequently in Z than in OGDB. The use of dub names also betrays a disconnect from the true character of the series.
Anons? I was talking to my retard group in the playstation party and I said: "Cell is not an android". But they said he is an android. I don't even know if the english language makes a difference between Androids and Cyborgs.>Android 16Is a robot, not human at all.>Android 17 &18Are cyborgs. Modified humans>CellIs a creature, fully organic more than 17&18.
>>582727148He is referred to as a Jinzoningen. The English dub translates this to Android, but the literal meaning is "Artificial Human". This distinction is rarely relevant and in 99% of cases jinzoningen can be satisfactorily translated to android, but Dragon Ball uses the slight ambiguity of the term to cover full robots, cyborgs and entirely organic chimeras like Cell.
>>582727148Dragonball itself calls them Androids. Androids as they're defined in Dragonball doesn't line up with the actual use of the word android because Japanese doesn't distinguish between Androids and Cyborgs, It just has the term Jinzouningen and that's it
>>582720763slightly unrelated but when I'd change "perfect cell" in the prompt to janemba id get stuff like this
>>582727369Freaky
I was browsing the last thread and the talk about kakarot's original manga graphics had me wondering, will we ever get to a point where anime games can look as good as their manga?
>>582727317>>582727320Thank you, I didn't even know about the term Jinzouningen. I always thought it was a bit weird in Dragon Ball.But in general, how do you call them in english? Is the term Android correct for Android 16? and Cybord for 17 & 18?
>>582727956The naming scheme is largely just grandfathered in from OGDB with Eighter being Android 8. So all the rest of the numbered gero things are androids too. It's not like they use a different word between them so the translators just kept the name scheme going.
>>582727956Official subtitles by Steve Simmons use Artificial Human. That is the most technically correct term, at the risk of looking pretentious. I think Android is acceptable because Japan does also often use that English word as is. Another detail is that "No." or # should be appended before the numeral.
>>582727905We're already there. Just look at that Sandland game. And the 3D Dragon Quest games. Hell, even DBO. They all emulate Toriyama's art style very well. The problem isn't technology, it's the studios in charge of these licensed anime games. Save for 2 of them they don't specialize in 2D-looking 3D visuals and non dragon ball, non gacha games don't make enough money for them to want to try.
>>582726731My point is, for Earth to feel like this grand mystical adventure, sense of scale matters. You can't just have Goku zipping around at hypersonic speeds one shotting every single thing he comes across like he's Popeye on spinach or something. Yes, Goku didn't struggle against most of the people he came across, but at the same time he wasn't capable of beating everyone without sufficient preparation and training just as it was the case in Z and Super. Had he not trained with Roshi, whose say he wouldn't have lost to Nam or Giran in the first World Martial Arts Tournament? Also the gatekeeping weeaboo shenanigans is irrelevant
>>582701696>Dragon Rush looks visually so damn cool that it was in fact, one of the best parts of the game. To this day, no other DB game gives off that feeling you get from watching that.Victory Mission has pretty much the same cinematics, and the whole fight is nothing but that again and again
If you really want to be inclusive and still be faithful to the original, you could go for artificial beings. But I don't think that's as memorable or as merchandisable as androids.
>>582727905>>582728485Essentially, the directors and executives want the games to either look like the anime, or like action figures. For some reason, they just shoot down the idea of doing manga-inspired graphics. The last game to do that was Super DBZ, and that was a LOOOONG time ago.
>>582732527For it to work in the dialogue, it should be a term that the characters already understand when it is first said, so nothing overly fancy or unique. It should also suggest robots at first, since that is what the characters expect to fight, and it not being the case is a minor twist, without the term becoming necessarily contradictory. It's not really possible to check all the boxes in English, which is why sometimes we will just revert to saying Jinzoningen if we know the other person understands
>>582724167>The Dragon Ball setting is a lost technology in the modern day because very few people have really spent time with early Dragon Ball, and I think critically the producers at Toei themselves have not.Daima had the right continent
>>582732527>>582734472I think artificial mortal make sense with the Black arc's mortal thing. It should have people understand well enough that way.
>>582737542Well I heavily disagree with translating ningen as mortal, especially in the context of that arc where Goku Black being mortal unlike Future Zamasu is actually an important point. And incidentally the Artificial Humans are not exactly mortal either, it stands to reason at least the robots could operate indefinitely, and the cyborgs might too
>>582737425Daima is closer to Dragon Quest than Dragon Ball(on purpose since it's meant to make the Demon Realm feel more alien and there are explicit DQ references)
>>582737694>and the cyborgs might tooNah, Toriyama say they'll age slower but are not inherently immortal.>>582737863It still used the right map for Earth.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XgN76hYur8s
I’m gonna miss Gekishin, bros…
Uhuhuhuh uhuhuh huh, Towa is hot
>>582744262>Devs being able to change the game on a whimKek crazy times we live in.
Do you think we'll be able to create shotas in XV3?
>>582752821I hope so. Would make sense with them adding OG DB. In fact it's weird how you don't start as one and then grow midway through the story like in DBO.
I'm gonna be a cool Android for XV3.
thnink we'lll seee theirr awokeningg nextt monthh??
Best animated episodes of Dragon Ball>DB 146 (Goku vs Piccolo Jr)>DBZ 030 to 035 (Goku vs Vegeta)>DBZ 064 (Vegeta vs Recoome)>DBZ 081 and 082 (Piccolo vs Freeza)>DBZ 100 to 105 (Super Saiyan Goku vs 100% Freeza)>DBZ 120 (Trunks vs Mecha Freeza) >DBZ 148 to 151 (Piccolo vs Android 17 and Android 16 vs Cell)>DBZ 166 (Goku and Gohan in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber)>DBZ 179 (Super Saiyan Goku vs Perfect Cell)>DBZ 185 (Super Saiyan 2 Gohan) >DBZ 232 (Super Saiyan 2 Goku vs Majin Vegeta)>DBZ 279 (Super Saiyan 2 Goku vs Kid Buu)>DBS 66 (Vegetto vs Zamasu)>DBS 116 (Goku vs Kefla)>DBS 130 (Ultra Instinct Goku vs Jiren)>DBS 131 (Goku, Freeza and 17 vs Jiren) >DAIMA 19 and 20 (Goku and Vegeta vs Gomah)Best animated Dragon Ball movies>M01 Dead Zone>M04 Lord Slug>M05 Cooler's Revenge>M08 Broly >M09 Bojack>M12 Fusion Reborn >Super Broly
>>582767626not including Path to Power here is dishonest
>>582767626>Not including the Tamagami 3 fightDogshit list.
>>582767626>>M09 Bojack>>M01 Dead Zone>>M04 Lord SlugThose aren't better than Super Hero
Rewatching Namek and it's funny how everything right for Vegeta (getting that zenkai boost, killing Cui, locating some dragon balls, killing Dadoria and Zarbon, and one upping Frieza) just immediately going wrong (those dragon balls being stolen, the Ginyu force showing up, Frieza himself showing up, getting humiliated by Frieza and crying and then ultimately dying)
>>582774402It's funny to me how everyone seems to memoryhole vegeta CRYING during namek saga. He has his chance to get mad and become a super saiyan and just gives up. Vegeta is a LOSER and we LOVE him for it. I understand why it couldn't happen, due to the setup being pretty different. But it kinda sucks to me that we got stuck with the lesser androids saga vegeta compared to Namek vegeta. He's still a loser, but he loses a lot of his cunning and menace
>>582561584fanally a non tank vegeta... it took them long enough.
>>582773286>>>>
What's your favorite movie plot, /dbg/? Like assume you cant factor in good animation or good fight coreography, JUST the plot. I think Wrath of the Dragon kinda smashes everything else and it's not even close.
Unimpressedhan
>>582782792Off the top of my head, the Metal Cooler movie, cause I like the idea of Goku fighting a big army.I want a DB Musou.
>>582782792Sleeping Princess in Devil's Castle
Bump
>>582785337Why was Yajirobe blown away but not Karin? This Yajirobe is supposedly even stronger than the one from the Saiyan arc.
>>582520753Incredible Nothing about what you said is true
>>582799057Because Yajirobe is fat and goofy while Karin at least pay attention.
>>582774707Memoryhole? Didn't they make a figure of that exact moment?
>>582801178I think he meant the fandom
>>582804280I did, yeah. I was talking about the average vegeta fan who think he's HARD and cool and will make fanart of him killing all the villians (that he lost to, canonically)
So we all agree that a Morefun studios DB game would be the best and most profitable mobile game we've ever had, right?
>>582809307don't legends and dokkan already make shitloads of money, I don't really think the suits are really hurting for another mobile game
>>582809307No.
>>582809307>models and character animations almost as good as FighterZ>CC2 tier animations and VFX>gachaslop to entice gambling addicts>since it's a chinese gacha, coomerslop to entice all the gooners>studio is perfectly capable of achieving all of this in 3D, but it won't need to because unlike OPfags, DB fans would welcome a beat em up with open arms >Story would thoroughly adapt the whole of DB, Z and Super >roster would be all-inclusive, could run a Paragus, Daiz, Tarble team before the first anniversary No. Because it's made by Tencent and published by Bandai. Their naruto game was a flash in the pan but the One Piece game is dying thanks to their bullshit.
>>582810040We actually had a tencent made DB game but it wasn't made by morefun studios. It was the first game in who knows how long to start off with early DB, and the last. I still believe if it hadn't shut down it'd also be the first (and only) DB game to adapt Super in its entirety.
>>582810858I feel like being in ogdb is a bit of a death knell for a gacha because the kind of whales you need to sustain a game don't really care about OGDB characters. Like yeah I'd have fun fucking around with buyon and eighter but the vast majority of people dont give a fuck and want their super saiyans
>>582809307i don't get it, is this some kind of mode or they straight up made a "balling Sasuke" character?
They need to design Vegeta based on his buu arc look in them manga. I swear he hasn't looked good in any game since the Budokai games.
>>582807725It's incredible how much the fanbase doesn't mention how terrible he was at getting SS1.>Hears Goku got SS1 in Namek>Does nothing but wait for him for a year>Sees Goku's SS1 while fighting with Trunks>Still takes him almost 3 years to get it from training>And ironically made him get it was self loathing because he couldn't go super saiyanAnd this is the same arc that has both Goku and Piccolo call him a genius, with Goku praising him for already starting to figure out how to go beyond super saiyan. This same Vegeta needed 3 years to just get the regular super saiyan, is a genius who can surpass it. Lmao.
Are you looking forward to the Gekishin rework or did you want it to stay MOBA? I'm looking forward to it mostly because the game is not fun solo queue, it's only fun if you plays with friends and you might not have any or your friends aren't in to it. Solo Q just makes you annoyed.
>>582816467I unironically blame majin vegeta/ the final explosion a lot for the fandom perspective of "vegeta is the coolest guy" Which is funny due to the context surrounding those. Never stopped anyone, granted.
>>582774402>>582774707>>582801178>>582807725>>582816467Samefaggot.
>>582819405Huh? Is there some sort of pervasive anti-vegeta schizo or something? I like the guy, he's my favorite character. I just feel like people just want him to be the coolest most epic-est guy ever because he's CRUEL and RATIONAL unlike that FAGGOT, Kakarot.
>>582816467>Still takes him almost 3 years to get itThere's not a single source for how long it took Vegeta to get SS, as far we know he may have achieved it a month after seeing one for first time. And it wouldn't be surprising, every time someone sees a new form they achieve it in a much easier way than the first one getting it>Gohan mentally struggles a lot until he goes SS2. Goku and Vegeta see it and train and next time we see them they achieved it just by working their asses off>Goku actually pulls SS3 off too thanks to the advantages of afterlife training or whatever. Goten and Trunks use it while fused after some months training in RoSaT. Vegeta also sees it and just six months later he has it as wellIn restrospective it's almost weird nobody achieved SSG or SSB this many arcs/years after Goku and Vegeta used the forms, but I guess it's completely impossible without help from some "higher" being
>>582820041To be fair, who would there be to get it? Goten and Trunks don't really give that much of a fuck about training for new things and Gohan is a contrarian who wants to do his own thing
>>582819045IIRC the english dub also changed the dialogue to give him weird "justifications" for letting Babidi try to take control of him, while the original version is simply him throwing a tantrum because Goku surpassed him again, and they won't get to have a rematch because Goku will leave permanently once the day is over.>>582819708>I just feel like people just want him to be the coolest most epic-est guy ever because he's CRUEL and RATIONAL unlike that FAGGOT, Kakarot.Vegetafags may also try to make him into someone who's gimped when it comes to training since he makes himself go through tougher training, but that's just him being an idiot and training poorly. Plus, before saiyan saga, he very clearly had an easier life than Goku and was naturally stronger.
>>582820041what if Bra is always in super saiyan blue and no one noticed because her hair's already blue
>>582813057The latter.
>>582820041>There's not a single source for how long it took Vegeta to get SS, as far we know he may have achieved it a month after seeing one for first time. And it wouldn't be surprising, every time someone sees a new form they achieve it in a much easier way than the first one getting itThe way he words it implies trained for a long time and couldn't get it to the point his frustration made him transform, so it's unlikely to be as short as a month. Imo it's at least a year, but I get the feeling he only obtained it recently since Bulma doesn't mention him having it, and she said he left to train (Although she could simply not be aware he has it).>And it wouldn't be surprising, every time someone sees a new form they achieve it in a much easier way than the first one getting itAnd Vegeta himself doesn't follow this pattern with SS1. The so called genius needed to overtrain and transformed out of frustration. He did improve later on (Trunks mentions it took him only two months to get grade forms), but to initially get SS1 after Goku already laid down the groundwork, it's embarrassing the way he talks implies he had a really hard time to get it, and just the fact he did nothing to even try to obtain it and waited for a year for Goku to come back to even start training to obtain SS1 too...>In restrospective it's almost weird nobody achieved SSG or SSB this many arcs/years after Goku and Vegeta used the forms, but I guess it's completely impossible without help from some "higher" beingtbf, no one else is actively training to get to such a point. Goten and Trunks lost interest in fighting and are slacking off, and Gohan only ever trains to get himself back in shape before he can slack off again. Broly is the only one who can get SSG at this point, but since he struggles with even a basic super saiyan, getting god forms will take a while...
>>582822134>"A long time" is relative, and both training and frustration are something he already experienced he was frustrated already, you are just inserting your headcanon for how long that was. And you are doing it too with>the fact he did nothing to even try to obtain itNot a fact, that's just more gap-filling headcanon, he may have been trying to get SS the year and a half after Namek, but only got it when he actually saw one in the flesh, THAT is how the pattern works based on the other forms.>no one else is actively trainingCabba. Caulifla and Kale too maybe, but they don't count because they will never show up again, but Cabba showing up at the ToP arc with nothing but SS a year after meeting and fighting a SSGSS feels odd compared to how others learned other forms.
Anime continuity vegeta sitting on his ass and doing fucking nothing for a year until goku showed back up is extra funny because he straight up saw super saiyan goku, he knows it's real and what it is and he still decided to do fuck all until Goku showed up again
>>582819045After his cockroach like durability in the Saiyan saga, to being humiliated in the Freiza/Cell Saga, it was nice of Toriyama to give him a cool sacrifice scene (to make all the ladies wet).
>>582824582Didn't Vegeta still say "omg Kakarot? A SUPER SAIYAN?" in the anime even after the filler where he sees Goku in golden warrior mode? He also beat the crap out of Gohan for no reason, left and then returned also for no reason iirc
>>582824358A long time is relative, but would someone as arrogant as Vegeta ever try to pass a single month as a long time to get super saiyan? If anything he'd boast that it took him only a month to get the transformation. After obtaining grade 2 he never talks like it was particularly difficult to get it and master it by comparison, and Trunks claims it took Vegeta two months to merely get the form, and even longer to become proficient at using it. I'll admit that saying it took him 3 years is exaggerating, but the wording about how grueling his training was and how seemingly he got so frustrated his self loathing made him transform, and earlier, Freeza saying that Vegeta's lack of a pure heart is likely why he never got super saiyan before no matter how mad he got, means Vegeta reached a particularly low point for his self loathing to make him transform, and nothing of this implies he got it relatively quickly. Which's why imo, he must've taken at least a year.>Not a fact, that's just more gap-filling headcanon, he may have been trying to get SS the year and a half after Namek, but only got it when he actually saw one in the flesh, THAT is how the pattern works based on the other forms.There's no dialogue or even hint that Vegeta has been training after Namek and before Trunks' arrival. He's shown hanging out with Bulma and Yamcha for a panel when Freeza arrives on Earth (When he would later be talked like he abandons everything to train), and he "heard" that Goku trained in 100x gravity so he wants to outdo Goku now, instead of already trying to outdo Goku. For comparison's sake, Roshi is someone who's never shown training (Aside from when he showed Goku and Krillin how they would train, but afterwards he only observes them or is in his house), but he gets a single though bubble during the 22nd WT where he thinks to himself he secretly trained to not be outdone by Goku and Krillin. Vegeta in the year he was waiting for Goku gets nothing of the like.
>>582819405You got me
>>582831694wtf im being impersonated. This is illegal i'll send goku to beat you up
>>582828349>Didn't Vegeta still say "omg Kakarot? A SUPER SAIYAN?" in the anime even after the filler where he sees Goku in golden warrior mode?No, they removed the scene, and had Vegeta himself say that Goku turned into a super saiyan.>He also beat the crap out of Gohan for no reason, left and then returned also for no reason iircThat whole scene is pure nonsense. Vegeta boasts that with Freeza and Goku gone, he's now the strongest by default, then he's a taunting jackass until he beats up Gohan in episode 106, then he flies away, and in the very next episode he's back and everything he did isn't mentioned. I have no idea what Toei was thinking with that scene. While they made have assumed Toriyama would make Vegeta be the next villain, it's still ridiculous to do all of that.
>>582828349My guess is the writers at Toei at the time thought Vegeta was going to return to being a villain after Frieza so the wrote the "set-up" for it.
>>582836659what she so smug about
>>582839349She knows that you don't know.
>>582839571then she won't be so smug when I'm done with her!
Imagine Goku and Chichi's first night together. Just two sweaty, insanely horny high schoolers just grabbing each other and rolling around fucking the shit out of each other like animals haha
I don't want to imagine a mentally retarded man child having sex.
>>582841435Please do not refer to Chi-chi like that.
>>582841435It happens more often than you know, but the women involved are usually either fucked up in the head, or they're being paid to do it.
>>582672556Pan belly and chest
Cum in Kamin
>>582799750Yajirobe stops training after the saiyan saga, it's not unreasonable to assume he's lost a lot of his gainz from his peak of training daily with Kami.
>>582848754Goku got excited when he thought Yajirobe was going to fight the androids.
>>582813057that is the blackest thing I've ever heard
>>582725674link for curiosity
No die damn it
>>582862904what is she saying
>>582863078>I heard humans have gentle hands, can you show me? but don't let anyone see
>>582862904>psst, kale is gonna try and rape you, it's part of our training to toughen her up, try and play along, ok?
>>582809307Is it the one that made the super cool Team Gai trailers?
>>582818765>Are you looking forward to the Gekishin reworkNot really, no. But maybe it'll at least deal with my teammates being lobotomized chimps
>>582841435Those are literally the most sexually active men
Oh god....oh kale...how could you~
Nevermind I'd rather not talk to any of you about dragon ball after all
>>582873631What?
Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta is out on Gekishin Squadrahe's really good. Long ranged and does a bunch of damage.
Thursday, October 8: Show Floor: 10:00 AM – 7:00 PM | Panels: 11:00 AM – 11:00 PM Friday, October 9: Show Floor: 10:00 AM – 7:00 PM | Panels: 11:00 AM – 11:00 PM Saturday, October 10: Show Floor: 10:00 AM – 7:00 PM | Panels: 11:00 AM – 11:00 PM Sunday, October 11: Show Floor: 10:00 AM – 5:00 PM | Panels: 11:00 AM – 5:00 PM One of these days will have xenoverse 3 information if it isn't leaked firstas a roundabout here's what we the achievement leak revealed The baba like person in the tint is a human womanChrona and Xeno Trunks are in the gameThe crocodile god of destruction is realSon Goku has a new outfit in game Each race has unique awakening skillsHumans have kaioken x3 an x20Namkikan's have Power Awakening Saiyans have Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 3Majins, Androids and Freiza clans are not shown yetThe leaks that are not verified yetSuper saiyan 4 is day 1 DLCthere are 2 more races in the game not revealed yetThere is another god of destruction besides the croc
Shenron is legos now
>>582877915Neat
>>582877692We DON'T know if that's actually Chronoa
>>582880149I mean, the time God of Destruction leak was seemingly real, which means there needs to be a Supreme Kai of Time. A Kai who looks like Chronoa wouldn't mean anything on its own, but given the context and what game this is, I think that's a fair prediction
fusions 2
>>582862904Sex with Caulfila in front Kale
>>582890915Kefla's hair tie on one of her bangs is one of those character details that's super rare to see an artist acknowledge but is fun to see
>>582890641Chronoa is U7's SKOT tho. Maybe that'll be Chronoa's little sister who'll the SKOT of all universes?
>>582892132who's to say the GoD of time can't just be u7's GoD of time. Besides, as far as we know they could just be entirely rebooting the lore to make chronoa fit more into canon, given Toriyama did work on this project. XV1 and 2/ Heroes were never canon so you can safely ignore their lore, after all.
>>582890915Looks great.>>582892264I mean yeah, those are all possibilities too. I thought we were just trying to come up with ideas for what it could be.
>>582892439It really could be anything by this point, though I do personally lean into the "reboot" camp myself. What would be the point of championing all of the Toriyama stuff if it was actually just sticking to the old noncanon XV/Heroes lore?
>>582892264There's not a single shred of chance XV3 is gonna fit into canon in any shape due to CaC. And them eventually introducing Movie characters anyway as DLC lol
>>582893271Is the idea of "there was an strong dude who helped this organization fight bad guys in age 1000" really that hard to fit into lore? Besides, given we're pretty sure the Time Patrol is on the table "movies being alternate timelines" is kind of right there.
Dimps should bring a Breakers type of game mode to XV3
>>582893619Yes because they can't even say if that was a dude, or a gal, or an android, or a majin because it's a character made by you. Would be too hard to make sense of.
>>582896234I mean, do they have to? Why would they ever need to do that? The only time that would ever need to happen is if they need John/Jane 1000 to actually show up in something in the actual show and im not sure why that would need to happen
>>582877915Pokemonbabs btfo
>>582849160https://x.com/supernalmystic
>>582863078>What the hell is jelly enema?
>>582890651>>582909163Is this a bot
>>582909678no i just want fusions 2
>>582910125need Nintendo to make a 4DS first
>>582909678Lurk more.
>>582911307The Switch 2 is the 5DS
>>582876747He's good but nothing crazy. He's high up there but I still think Godku for example is still better.
>>582919227
>>582919227She's so cool!!
>>582922067Yeah, I kinda had that reaction at that panel too
>>582925348Cute but wrong thread
>>582909163Agreed
>>582911307i'd take a phone gacha at this point
>>582877692>There is another god of destruction besides the crocGeekdom says there's a group of them and they're either led by or fuse into a big one.
>>582955852Geekdom also said they have two forms, the chibi one which we saw in the achievement leak, and bigger forms where they're fully grown anthropomorphic dinosaurs. I wonder what route they'll go with the forms.
>>582447151What the fuck? Why isn't Gohan stronger than Goku?Also these talks about "multipliers" is gay. Super Saiyan isn't a x50, it's a (whatever Toriyama feels like) powerup.
>>582956743There's quite a lot of people who aren't actually aware that Cell games Gohan is by default stronger than Goku. and just assume that when Goku was talking about Gohan being stronger than him he meant SS2. To be fair, the Movies don't help with this and portray Gohan as weaker than Goku in stuff like Broly.
>>582727905The Naruto Storm games look better than the manga. It's a matter of how much time, money and people you want to throw at the problem. It's also a matter of minor models since it's time consuming to create any model, so you can't do too many secondary characters/assets.
>>582890915That was unironically a 10/10 episode. Rare DBS win.
>>582956931Gohan couldn't understand that Goku was actually Weaku all along.
>>581651149>Yeah I was specifically saying KRILLIN. he's fine with goring randoms or punching a hole through yamcha or goku on occasion but full on goring Krillin would have been a bit muchThat's the difference between Toriyama and Salagir. Toriyama knows what tasteful gore is.
is Goku autistic?
>>582957853he hugs gohan back in the manga, to be fair
>>582958048Animeonlies will call Goku a shit dad even though he's really not
>>582958546I mean, hiding the cell games plan from everyone was deeply weird but that's its own thing. The popular headcanon is that he didn't want Gohan to get stage fright but given that's exactly what happened I don't think it's a very good headcanon. There's really no satisfying answer for why he did that.
>>582958719>given that's exactly what happenedNot really. Gohan wasn't really nervous during the fight. He just couldn't go SS2 at will, but he knew exactly what he had to do and even tried to argue with Cell about it.Of course it's also for story purpose, you just CANNOT reveal the big plan beforehand. I think it's reasonable *enough* to not constitute a major immersion break, like, if I sit down and think hard about it there were probably one or two better ways to do it but it's not so unreasonable that I can't think of it as a valid, legitimate path.
>>582958984I think the thing is that the narrative never really gives you any meat to chew on as to why Goku is doing these things. We can endlessly speculate back and forth on why he hid the plan and why he gave cell a senzu bean but in reality the narrative gives no reason or any hint to a reason and just keeps rolling. Dragonball usually doesn't care to answer all of the questions but it's weird with the cell games specifically because Piccolo calls Goku out on both points, so you're definitely supposed to be thinking about it. but it never brings any kind of answer to the table.
>>582959315Senzu bean is pretty straightforward considering they were taunting/appealing to Cell's battle boner. Also, people don't seem to have read the scene recently, they keep talking about it but disconnected from how Toriyama depicted it. It goes>oh no, he gave him a senzu, that was completely irresponsible, this is ba->*Gohan powers up*>HOLY SHIT IS THIS GOHAN? WHAT'S GOING ON?Like, the Gohan powerup completely dwarves all of those senzu considerations. It's made irrelevant in 2 pages. People harp on it because they don't actually read Dragon Ball, they discuss nebulous memories of it, some easily remembered plot points or elements but none of the artistic intent.
>>582959720My point is that it doesn't really do anything to further Goku's plan. Cell was already stronger than Gohan by such a wide margin that whether or not he had that Senzu it really wouldn't have mattered, as Cell would have pushed Gohan anyways because he's not a threat. Also i've quite literally read that scene just now, I generally have scenes open when I'm discussing them on this thread. We're talking specifically about What Goku is doing to further his plans, so I think bringing up the Senzu is merited as that was supposed to be part of it.
>>582960091Senzu bean is part of the psychological mindgame imo. It's also about Goku being proud of his son and confident he'll win. More than anything else it's also irrelevant since Cell is so much stronger than everyone else, bean or not.
>>582958048He also hugged Gohan in the anime (Or more accurately patted him on the back).>>582958984The problem is that what Goku did only makes sense for meta reasons, by making the characters and the readers find out together what his plan was. The story could have made Gohan be aware of the plan all along, with Goku having told him about it offscreen, and it's shown afterwards in a flashback, but that is a lot less effective from a storytelling perspective. What Goku did is ridiculous, but making both characters and readers be surprised together works better to surprise everyone, if that makes sense, since characters besides Goku aren't hiding information from the reader just to surprise the reader.
>>582960309>What Goku did is ridiculousOnly if you refuse the stage fright explanation and think Goku could have put Gohan in a significantly better mindset by telling him about the plan a week beforehand instead of just chilling around with him. In the real world you'd be mostly right, in the Dragon world not so much, things happen in weirder ways.
>>582960213I actually think it was supposed to tie into Goku "not understanding Gohan" and thinking he wants a fair fight like he would. It'd tie back into the previous conversation between Trunks and Vegeta where he asks to give Goku a senzu and then just jump everyone and Vegeta says he'd rather die than fight like that. Again though, all we can really do is speculate back and forth a lot and we don't have anything purely concrete and given this is stright up The Plot it's mega frustrating
>>582960765I'd disagree because this is what we're shown seconds later. This and Piccolo thinking Gohan died from a random dumb kiai throwing him into rocks. Goku's smug "yep, I know how this goes" face says it all.
>>582960906The thing is that's instantly subverted with Gohan saying that he doesn't actually want to fight Cell, ultimately proving Piccolo correct about Gohan's demeanor. To the point where Piccolo even convinces Goku himself that he's wrong and Goku's about to jump in before Cell stops him and swipes the Senzus. Goku was correct to bank on Gohan's hidden power, but Piccolo was also seemingly correct on that Goku didn't understand Gohan properly. (which is a take I think fucking sucks and comes out of nowhere becasue Goku should understand Gohan after years of training but whatever I guess)
>>582958048>>582958546He hugged him in the anime too. Goku's much more fatherly and "normal", for lack of a better word, in the anime.
>>582961114Gohan "not wanting to fight" is only there to get him to discuss with Cell and spill the beans so Cell can start torturing his friends. It doesn't prevent Gohan from fighting Cell, he's just not strong enough to fuck him up.
>>582961368And it's not just self defense, Gohan's not pursuing but he's still holding his fighting stance. Like, he's not stuck. He just doesn't have the big number or (real) reasons to be crazy mad (yet)
>>582961368That's the meta reason for why he does that, yeah, but we're talking in universe for the most part. That aside that's not really how Gohan's acted before this point (after Piccolo dies to Nappa, that is), he generally never cares how outmatched he is he's gonna try.
>>582961636You could explain it by saying that Cell hasn't behaved TOO irrationally and he's not on a murder spree against them (unlike Frieza) so Gohan naively thinks he has a shot at a speech check to win this.I'd agree it's out of character if Gohan actually refused to fight, but like I said >>582961523 he doesn't.
>>582960635The stage fright headcanon doesn't even make much sense since Gohan has known of threats ahead of time and never got too worried about it. It outright contradicts how he tends to feel since he wasn't thinking much of the saiyans' arrival, and he only really got afraid once he was fighting them. It's a simple headcanon that has its issues like many of them, and in no way hinted to the real reason Goku was vagueposting. What Goku did is the same thing Trunks did when he warned everyone of the androids, but only said they're strong, but failed to mention they have no ki (Which makes it a lot harder to keep track of them) and the infinite stamina (Which admittedly, anon pointed out that it doesn't make a real difference since they're too strong, since infinite stamina won't matter as 17/18 will just stat check everyone), and since the original plan was for 19/Gero to be the androids destroying the future, then not mentioning that they can suck ki is completely neglectful. Trunks has no reason to vaguepost, and it's out of character for him to do so, but that was done so the characters are just as surprised as the readers over what the androids can do (Because if he simply info dumped those abilities, it would be a lot less shocking), and Goku not telling everyone his plans is similar, just not nearly as bad, since you can make headcanons to explain Goku's vagueposting (Even if they still have issues), but not Trunks.
>>582961827By that logic he really should have flown into a schizo rage the second the Cell juniors happened but even then it was really restrained given how little it took to set him off back in namek saga. I guess you can make the argument that training the anger out of super saiyan lent towards Gohan controlling his anger so he has a hard time accessing it in cell saga? I dunno.
>>582961839>The stage fright headcanon doesn't even make much sense since Gohan has known of threats ahead of time and never got too worried about itGoku never told Gohan "I'm too weak to beat the guy, you're the only one who can" one week before that.I don't think it's quite on the same level as Trunks not giving any information on the androids. I cannot think of any reason why Trunks wouldn't say anything. I can, however, rationalize Goku thinking the real path to victory is to unfold it on the final day.
>>582961983He's mad, just not SS2 mad apparently.
>>582962001I just think that's a weird thing for Goku to do given the way he's been characterized before this point. You can make the argument that you wouldn't want Gohan to overthink it and fuck up the plan but I can't buy GOKU specifically having that little faith in Gohan to the point where he'd need to kind of manipulate him like that. Especially since Gohan verbatim asked what the plan was and Goku still refused to tell him. >>582962129That was before the Cell Juniors came out, anon.
>>582962267His ki is already rising, but he needs to go all out. Guess Toriyama didn't feel the need to have Gohan fly towards them and Cell pushing him back a second time.
>>582962247why'd they delete her tail
>>582961839>Goku never told Gohan "I'm too weak to beat the guy, you're the only one who can" one week before that.What I meant is that knowing of saiyans ahead of time didn't damper his mood, knowing of Freeza not long he got in Namek didn't damper his mood besides just thinking how strong he is, and knowing super robots killed everyone in the future didn't damper his mood. In two of those cases he was expected to fight eventually without Goku around, and did so in Namek without issues to the point he attacked Dodoria in front of Freeza. There's no real reason to believe stage fright is a problem Gohan has, nor does Goku talk like he expects Gohan to fight better if he's suddenly thrown in the wilds, specially since he doesn't doubt Gohan at all, so not telling, even when asked, is bizarre.>I don't think it's quite on the same level as Trunks not giving any information on the androids. I cannot think of any reason why Trunks wouldn't say anything. I can, however, rationalize Goku thinking the real path to victory is to unfold it on the final day.Which's what I said. They're similar situations where a character vagueposts in a way that makes no sense, but you can make excuses for Goku's vagueposting (Even if again, they have issues), but not Trunks'. The entire point is that this is a writing issue Toriyama did before in the same arc, and it's just a way to make characters and readers find out together what's going on, even if Trunks' case is much worse.
>>582963391In Trunks's case you can make the argument that he's only a retcon asshole like Shin because Toriyama didn't think of the android's powers yet. Whereas in Goku's case it's pretty obvious Gohan was being foreshadowed to be stronger than Goku for quite some time so it's just him being a vagueposter
>>582963595>In Trunks's case you can make the argument that he's only a retcon asshole like Shin because Toriyama didn't think of the android's powers yet.I do believe the reason Trunks has a sword was his way of keeping his distance to fight 19's and Gero's ki absorption. Goku was even shown with nyoibo in a promotional drawing of androids saga. Of course, it's just a belief of mine that Toriyama had at least planned that much, but we can never tell with how much he makes up as he goes along. He could've given Trunks a sword just because slicing up Freeza would look cool, and got rid of it once it no longer had an use, and he had no plans for the androids beyond "They're strong".
>>582963595>Whereas in Goku's case it's pretty obvious Gohan was being foreshadowed to be stronger than Goku for quite some time so it's just him being a vagueposterIt's actually funny just how obvious the foreshadowing that Gohan will fight Cell is in hindsight>Goku says he wants Gohan to be stronger than him>The same chapter Semi Perfect Cell powers up against Vegeta, Gohan is shown powering up to become a super saiyan, and fails, showing that both of them didn't reach the state they want>The same chapter Cell becomes Perfect, Gohan goes Super Saiyan>Gohan wondering why Goku's power is so weak when he powers up to Korin>Goku says multiple times that Cell is stronger than him, and he doesn't expect to win>During the fight with Cell, Gohan is always quietly watching everything with no issueIt's almost like Toriyama was trying to spell it out.
>DBZ 148 (Piccolo vs Android 17)This one would've been good if their bodies didn't flex from punches like they were made of rubber. Very weirdly animated.
Why didn't Bulma threaten to not take baths with Vegeta anymore to stop his rampage? Is she stupid?
>>582967769The PRINCE would never take a bath, a TRUE Saiyan's odor should kill a man before they're even in the same room as them.
>>582967769I don't think they were that close at the time
>>582877692>The crocodile god of destruction is realIsn't it meant to be a dinosaur? Seems fitting that the GoD of Time is one.
>>582880149I find it unlikely to not be Chronoa because she has the same hairstyle and similar clothes. Arinsu is practically Towa in her role, yet she's a new character and got a very distinguised design from Towa, but the white haired Kaioshin looks like Chronoa under a different art style (Since Toriyama only ever drew Glinds with white hair, and he did change how Pan's eyes looked in Super Hero compared to EoZ, so changing Chronoa's eyes isn't far fetched too).
How many times has Goku cried? As far I remember:>OG when meeting Grandpa Gohan>GT after having his ass vaccinated>Path to Power after Eighter's death>DBS after Roshi almost died
>>582969058Looks like dogshit disney movie garbage, delete that shit, holy fuck
>>582975882He cried at Krillin's first death.
>>582977525Oh I never noticed that one. Thanks!
>>582972993Why are her eyes different?
>>582977868Vid semi related https://youtu.be/1xcL9U23ROo
>>582966652I suppose it's adapting this panel. I did always find that bit too cartoony as well.
Huh...
>>582890915this was a really cool moment but in hindsight it would have been either better if Goku was doing foot kamekameha to accelerate as he did the slide
>>582914882DID SOMEONE SAY 5DS???
>>582957853He's brain damaged and under-socialized due to living alone for years after his grandpa died during an extremely important developmental period.Not to mention spending years at a time travelling alone or training in isolation with only 1-2 people as company
>>582966652>>582983757I like it, it really make the blows feel insane.>>582987898>He's brain damagedNot really. His brain has no permanent damage.
>>582987643GOING FAST MAKES ME FEEL ALIVE Damn, now i wanna watch 5Ds again.
>>582987643I still hate Crow so fucking much
>>582983154I miss bionicles so goddamn much, I hate hero factory for killing it off
>>582984219cute!
>>582972993There's an anime trope where relatives only differ with hair color so maybe SKoT has a sister?
>>582990902Or...daughter??
>>582991315with Bardock
Ah yes, it's October. Time to start reading all these totally honest, and not shill posts about how amazing it would be if we suddenly all watched BoG and RoF for the 6th time again.
>>582996930when does it even air? also 19 episodes is a retarded number, couldn't even make it an even 20 like Daima? The only thing I'm waiting to see is if they keep Ginyu as Togoma nd Gotenks being seen by Freiza
>The collab with lego is OG DBKINO
>>582990902>sisterPossibly. Degesu does have the same hair style as Nahare.>>582991315>daughterGiven the way kaioshins are born, that sounds unlikely since their "parents" are always trees.
Got some neat find on the way home for my autism appointment.
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>>583009826Yes, I fucked up and sent the card the wrong way.
>>582996930The only part of DBS: Beerus I may find worthwhile to wach is the U6 tournament since it's the only one that never had a version with non-terrible animation. Even then I don't care much about U6 tournament in general so I may just skip it too.
>>583009632>>583009826>>583010020>alien languageIt's no surprise all these cards are of aliens. Or alien robots.
>>583014472There was a really cool Buu one but it was like 20 bucks just for it.
>>582890915The manga's ToP was so fucking ass, bruh.
>>583018589Gohan being just able to straight 1v1 a potara fusion and beat her ass so badly she just fucking gives up was hella goofy
>>583018589Krillin and Tenshinhan being one-shotted at the literal start of the ToP, while Roshi, who stepped down back at the 22nd TB, gets to dodge and fight Pride Troopers.
>>583018589Most of the manga is ass really.>>583018974Don't forget he start lecturing Goku and say Goku hasn't actually learned ANYTHING ANY of his teachers tried to teach him, basically meaning Goku would have had UI since OG DB if he wasn't retarded.You know, despite Roshi always being astounded at Goku instantly picking up whatever he was teaching and saying he had nothing left to teach Goku decades ago.
>>583019374Also Roshi going on about>"How to move well"He just decided to not teach Goku or Krillin that. Unfortunately Roshi is part of a larger problem in DBS to downplay Goku's intelligence as a martial artist to prop up someone else.
>>583018974Roshi knowing about the principles of UI makes sense in a vacum of "he's the old martial arts master who has been around for hundreds of years, so he'd know a thing or two" but it doesn't really make any sense with the constant power escalation of dragonball and Roshi as a character specifically. He was one of the things left behind as the setting shifted away from being an inherently magical and wacky place so bringing him back to the forefront feels weird
>>583019374>Most of the manga is ass really.Very true.
>>582989838We all do.
>>583018747I think that's more reasonable scaling, but the anime version of the Kefla fight is way more hype, which is ultimately more important
>>583019801This was specifically a solved issue since Mr. Popo's training. If anyone was missing something so basic at this point they would've never made it to the ToP
>>582303802Yo, Xenoverse 2 is on sale finallyWhat should I buy if I want every piece of content ever released? I doubt the special edition is enough, Bandai Namco are usually gigajews.
>>583035991>What should I buy if I want every piece of content ever released? I doubt the special edition is enough, Bandai Namco are usually gigajews.Special Edition and then the Pack Sets IIRC.
>>583035991>>583037481Don't hesitate to use stuff like Allkeyshops to get it even cheaper too cause there's a lot.
>>583018747I remember reading the manga ToP on /dbs/ in real time. I remember watching the manga thing unfold in real time.>LMAO Kefla's anime filler! She will never be canon, die mad about it toeishills ;)*Caulifla and Kale fuse*>well...Look she's going to fight Gohan! way better than the anime. Animecucks btfo next month!*most of the fight happens offscreen**the on-screen fight consist of a dodged punch, kefla throwing gohan and then jumping on him, and Gohan kicking her off and that's it**Kefla straight up concedes in the most OOC way imaginable and says it's their fate to get obliterated like a /dbs/ shitpost**despite all that, it somehow ends in a stalemate*>7 years later and people still insist this was a good decision
>>583037980I think you said that before
>>583035991if you want EVERYTHING, then get the following:XV2 Special Edition (Base Game, Super Pass, Future Trunks, Hero of Justice 1+2)Pre-Order BonusFuture Saga Pack Set (1-4)Dragon Ball Daima PackConton City Vote PackLegendary Pack Set (1+2)Ultra Pack Set (1+2)Extra Pass (1-4)the total price on steam with the current sale is about $85you can skip the anime music packs. only get the legend patrol pack if you really like the xv1 story missions. its non essential and you dont get any characters or outfits from it. do NOT get the time patrol support pack. pretty much all of the items and skills can be obtained normally by playing the game.
>>583037481>>583037640>>583038427Cheers
>>583038567You're welcome
I had dream gekishin added a pool mode (not swimming but pool like with the stick and the balls into the pockets) and Caulifla was obviously trying to provoke the player by behind over to show off her butt
>>583039890Bending over*
Only 10 more days till DBS Beerus. What are your thoughts on it?
>>583045639Anytime I think about the fact that we're stuck with that while One Piece gets a full remake by WIT it just pisses me off. I've been convincing myself that the only reason why we aren't getting a full remake is because they don't want to stretch the voice actors too thin and because it'd just open more licensing drama, but not only is that not a fact but it still doesn't change how I feel. It not being a full remake and them not even removing what was wrong or inconsistent about these remastered arcs makes it worthless. I think the only one that benefits from it is U6/U7, BoG already had a movie and RoF was just so shit that the only thing that could save it was it being remade from scratch. The more shit One Piece gets the harder it gets to convince myself that what we have is totally fine and not a crap deal.
>>583045639I can't wait to experience Battle of Gods a fourth time
>>583045997I doubt the WIT remake will be a full one. It also needs to get until after Skypiea to actually remake something "new".
>>583038427Talking about another game, but for Kakarot only the story DLCs are worth it right?>already watched the one DLC sidequest for the base game on YT>don't really see the point for the Tao Pai Pai pillar if just normal flying is the best method of travel and I don't even use the vehicles>don't really change the fighting or overworld music either so no point in the anime music pack either
>>582984219Toriyama is famous for reusing character designs, yes. Bulma is pretty much just Arale if she grew up, Yamcha is Tsukutsun Tsun, Ranfan was taken from Dr. Slump, etc.It was a common technique used by Toriyama's generation who grew up reading Osamu Tezuka. It's called the "Star System."
