>Blizzard's new version of World of Warcraft, based on vanilla WoWSet in the same Azeroth but expanded upon with new zones, dungeons, raids, quests, loot, graphics and much moreMany new race/class combos including Undead Paladin and Dwarf ShamanMore than 1k quests added making a 25% increase in quest content alone>Talent Calculatorhttps://forevertalents.up.railway.app>Patch Noteshttps://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-forever-beta-development-notes-%E2%80%93-updated-september-24/2360696>Class Deep Dives Druid & Hunterhttps://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24301515>Class deep dives Priest & Warriorhttps://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24301514>When is it being released?November 4th>Beta GuildsType /who g-"Guild name" to see who's online, whisper anyone for an invite, or ask in thread.<wowfg> - EU, PvP, Horde<Little Space> - NA, PvP, AllianceOld >>583061487
>Retrieving character list>( )
THEY WIPED. THEY FUCKING WIPED US ALL. WHERE THE FUCK ARE MY CHARACTERS. AGGREND JUST MONKEYFUCKED ME!
I STILL CAN'T FUCKING LOG IN
who won and who lost?
every time we get updates, news, etc it becomes clearer this is retail minus
SHAMAN SEASONAWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
yep, retrieving character list.
>>583071989me on the rightthanks to hrt :3
Stuck on the Kalimdor loading screen
>Savory Whimsyfin Delight now uses an orc equivalent of the Ninja and Pirate outfits from the Savory Deviate Delight.what the fuck blizzard fuck you fuckwhere are my ogres
>>583072093It's been twenty years of World of WarCraft and the game still doesn't have one of if not the most iconic unit from WarCraft as a playable class, the troll headhunter/Berzerker, blizzard literally has the model already made in multiple different forms and sizes from standard def to high def, they just refuse to use it or do it justice, the only reference to it is a shitty troll racialThey just stare at you like this while opening their pedophile agp cartoon erp folder and start masturbating for the 12th time before half the day is over
>>583072172
>all the streamers are in>im still stuck on retrieving character listhmm
>>583072284Want to duo level with me babe?
you know it is a blizzard patch when your whole resolution and settings are fucked again....
Why 1 copper instead of a proper amount per wand?
havent gooned to wow r34 in over a decade, scene must be popping off with all the ai slop creators. Any suggestions?
>>583072324Sloppy job, Mosad.
>>583072287Give it a couple of minutes, it'll eventually log you in
It's so over
>>583072389so that you can't make infinite money
My Succubus promises me that she has never taken the form of an Incubus.Should I trust her?
I have to go now so just let me say this. All the females posted from this point on exclusively date human men.
what class do i play if im dionysian chubby big bicep man
>>583072389Move on
>>583072324its so clear they get login privileges before everyone else and I refuse to believe otherwise
>Cannibalize cannot be used if the caster is IMMUNE to Physical damage.forsaken paladins on suicide watch
>>583072389because you could vendors wands to buy materials to make wands to level enchanting as a loop (what I did)
>Warriors’ Dual Wield Specialization is granting both your Main hand and Off-hand 2/4/6/8/10% hit chance. It should only be granted to your Off-hand.BETTER PREPARE YOUR BROWN DPS ASSHOLE FOR MORE NERFS HAHAHAHAHA
>turn in 2 dungeon quests>only 63% (started with only 45xp)Dream is dead
What class does your girlfriend play?
>>583072469honestly i've been asking myself that same question all day
>>583072390it's actually pretty fucking dead, the troons have killed it off with all their futa faggotry and child porn coded disney slop, anything half decent is pretty rare
>>583072527Whichever I tell her to. Currently she is a bear druid. Night elf, of course.
>>583072527she is probably gonna play druid
>>583072530my brotheri think dwarf shaman
>>583072234not a bad thing, classis is too old and retail is too convoluted and filled with garbage convinence shit, but they can never hard reset retail because too many peeps spend thousands of dollarinos on store mounts.....
>>583072527she plays prot paladin and pegs me
>>583072527Never had one
We're all playing dwarvesGet with it chuddy
>dungeon quest xp nerfedDoes this mean dungeons are now not worth doing?
>>583072469warrior so i can be your healslut
>>583072527skelf anything, like all women
>>583072527My tulpa does not have internet access yet.
>era fresh in 2028man how did i miss hearing this? fuck yeah, see you in 2028 bros!
>>583072723they were never worth doing. it's vanilla worlo. you gotta math out all your gains over time versus cost. DUH
>>583072723Yep its over pack up and get to grinding pigs loser
>>583072723no, they are still very worth
AGP sisters... we are so back....https://files.catbox.moe/9e1uur.webp
>>583072527my wife doesn't play video games, because she's an actual biological woman.
>>583072638>convenience is le bad
So how difficult will it be to find a straight bro to play with me every day?
>>583072527I haven't invited her to play yet because I don't think she will. She's more of a Character Action enjoyer.
>>583072647based
><Lemon Party> NA PvE Alliance STILL missing from OPniggers
>>583072723no, idiot. try thinking, what could they possibly be going for with these changes? really cant figure out the intent?
>>583072574Truly troubling times we live in, thanks for the heads up.
How exactly am I supposed to juggle my 45-hour/week full-time job, OoT remake for the Switch 2 on the 5th, AND this game that comes out on the 4th?
>>583072623aye go on then
LET ME IN
so we'll have talents as we're level 35 at 30 right? says we get free 16 legacy talent points.
>>583072227>wonnersMe>lostersAnyone who disagrees with me
>>583072932You forgot about GTA 6 anon
>>583072832literally kill anyone who uses shit like this with FPV drones. fly the shit right through their basement window with an HE round taped to it.
Throwaway account for obvious reasons... I am a nonbinary AMAB in a polyamorous marriage with my wife (aeroace transfemme.) We have been playing WoW Forever beta for a few weeks now and were super hyped because we have both played WoW since Midnight launched.It was hard to get used to the lack of cozy elements (no housing, no flying yet, etc) and the generally restrictive tone. The available races are less inclusive of diverse body types and a lot of the classes feel complicated in a way that genuinely harms the game's accessibility. And then... Nazis. Yep. Literal f****ing Nazis in Warcraft. My wife and I were roleplaying a sapphic transfemme scene in Goldshire when lo and behold an army of incel chuds from Olympus started harassing us. My wife gets very immersed in games, so she had a full panic attack and had to hide in the Goldshire inn basement while the Nazis typed horrible transphobia in the chat and spammed /spit. I tried to tell them all off but they were too many. Yeah... it might be back to Midnight with us. This game will die unless it is willing to be inclusive or if nothing else, take a stance on basic f****ing human rights. Didn't we defeat the Nazis over this?
>>583072832Why is this agp?
>>583072991who has a console?
>>583072951"in the coming weeks"
STILL CAN'T FUCKNIOG LOG IN BLIZZARD YOU FUCKHEADS REEEEEEEEEEEE
>>583072723This is a good change because it means they can just keep adding in dungeons without it power leveling players too hard.
>>583072849How good are you at pretending to be a girl? Can you sound like one convincingly?
>>583072932sleep lessplay OoT on flight plans and boat trips
>>583073013Now link the reddit thread
>>583072527Night elf hunter that shadowmelds and snipes low level hordies to camp their corpses.
>>583072527Male tauren warrior, she usually plays some kind of elf in dnd though.
>>583072290Coming soon
the patch notes are disappointing yet again, man forever is such a botched job, this is supposed to be the most exciting period of the game's life and it's just barren and boring
>>583072723you do them for gear that makes you do more damage and levels you faster
guys the jokes not funny anymore can i play the game now
>>583073039It takes a very twisted person to think that's sexy.
I'm concepting a Human Male Pirate Character who has a Black Moustache and is Chaotic Good.
>>583073039because only G.I.R.L.S. engage in this type of shit and these are the types of people whom, if we had a functional society, would be too afraid to ever show themselves in daylight.
>>583073160please, please, leave the game. leave and play something else.
>>583072213HORDE BELVES WHEN AAAAAAAAA
>>583073013>nonbinary AMABthat's a lot of syllables for "gay dude"
>>583072723they are still worth it for the gear and shit you will just not be able to chain RF->RL->WC-SFK without doing some quest or a bit of grinding in between, but you will be a lot faster just from the power you gain from the quest items
>>583073160Literally all they had to do was add shaman tank
>>583073160it's a beta dawg, they haven't squeezed it all out yet, no need to get your tight little bussy all hot and bothered <333333
Playing Character List is my favorite game
>>583073160
>>583073013I refuse to believe this post was made, even over there.
the beta really is just for marketing. blizzard just sent me that same email about the beta except they changed level 20 to level 30.fuck you blizzard. i opted in and im standing firm
If you're at retrieving character list or in the loading screen give it about 5-10 minutesWorked for me at least
>>583072213skelves use the exact same modelshrink the titsonly nelves have big tits among elves
>>583072527Dancer Miqote
>>583073357it's extra true+real because now you can play on a gamepad or console
>can't log in because assman viewers are clogging the servers so they can stand still on a bridge instead of playing the beta
Wait... Theyre just gonna fucking DELETE all characters???I paid 60 bucks for this shit?? Give me back my money you califtonian scammers FUCK YOU WASTING MY TIME forI'll pay 200 bucks to transfer my characters, do NOT delete them I leveled 19 hunters to level 20 FUCK YOU
>>583073128>Gank horde trying to quest in Stromgarde>Shadowmeld when high level horde show up>Go on the forums and post 'Just use pvp solutions :)' when they inevitably complain on the forums
>fweckles
>black screen of loading death
>>583073250What I don't get with trannies is that why add all these extra monikers if you just want to be of the opposite sex. If I was trans, I would KNOW that I'm a woman, not "transwoman" or hell even worse, "nonbinary".Is trans short for Transcendence since they don't want to be women or men.
https://www.twitch.tv/alexensual
>>583073437>I leveled 19 hunters to level 20why
>>583072723Arugal Must Die quest in Classic: 3,300 EXPArugal Must Die quest in Forever (Before this update): 14,350 EXPArugal Must Die quest in Forever (After this update, half the bonus prior): 8,825 EXP.You should still be roughly within the range of 18%-25% of a level per dungeon quest, with variance depending on the quest level vs your level. It's fine.
>>583073241>>583073297>>583073320>>583073357enjoy your dead game in 2 months because it's just the same shit again for the 3rd time with no effort and nothing new, cocksuckers
>>583073439dont post pictures of me, thanks
>>583073414nelves are thicker true. superior
>>583073439you know this is sloppa cause the driver seat is on the left
>>583073408the beta was just testing if they want to keep the current forever team alive or if they execute them behind blizzard headquaters next to the rainbow colored dumpsters
>still on retrieving character listI am a very busy man, Blizzard, I don't have time for this and playing with my genitals at the same time
>>583073160Modern Blizzard can barely be trusted to be custodians of Vanilla. What made you think they could actively improve on it (not that it ever needed improvements)?
/our/ guy is in!
>>583073160It's just going to push the real fans away and all that will be left is the agp troons and furfaggots that will keep turning it back into retail at record speed
>>583072292>headhunter/BerzerkerWhy you gotta remind me what I lost last month...
>>583073562i dont watch or follow any influencies who have terrible names that are just overt sexual idioms. sorry, retard-faggot. there's always suicide.
I just wanna play the game...
>>583073553It's about being special and gaining social status by inventing increasingly obscure microidentities.Actually used to be even more of a problem 10 years ago when they were still trying to convince people to use neopronouns.
>>583073623na hoursthe steering wheel is on the leftholy gigajeet esl boss of doom
>>583073623Not in the civilized world.
>asmon moves and so did his guild>breaks the game and gets disconnectedif he gets in before me again, i'm going to cry
>"real fans"i think he means the racist retards that just wanted another fresh era server
sometimes i feel like gouging my own eyes out
>>583073786he is helping blizzard to test their new networking tech. he is doing Elune's work by mobilizing his roach army.
>>583073667>(not that it ever needed improvements)it is astounding how delusional the #nochanges crowd is
>>583073589Legacy points retardAnd now they just give it to every lazy dadgamer for free FUCK YOU BLIZZARD I HATE YOU KEKCOMPANY
Can I fucking play now blizzard AAAAAAAAAAAAAaa
>>583073904haha faggot
>>583073874AND I AGREE ITS GOOD WORK, JUST FUCKING LET ME IN
>>583073904Anime posters are the best victims.
Reminder that /pol/ are not welcome in this general.
>>583073904Cringe.
>>583073904lol get fucked
>>583072389Fucking NIGGERS
Throwaway account for obvious reasons... I am Captain Ahab in a polyamorous marriage with my wife (the sea.) We have been playing WoW Forever beta for a few weeks now and were super hyped because we have both played WoW since the Pequod launched.It was hard to get used to the lack of cozy elements (no whaling, no harpoons yet, etc) and the generally restrictive tone. The available races are less inclusive of diverse body types and a lot of the classes feel complicated in a way that genuinely harms the game's seaworthiness.And then... whales. Yep. Literal f****ing whales in Warcraft. My wife and I were roleplaying a whaling scene in Goldshire when lo and behold an army of white whales from Olympus started harassing us. My wife gets very immersed in games, so she had a full panic attack and had to hide in the Goldshire inn basement while the whales typed horrible anti-whaling slurs in the chat and spammed /blowhole. I tried to harpoon them all but they were too many.Yeah... it might be back to Nantucket with us. This game will die unless it is willing to be eternally vengeful or if nothing else, take a stance on basic f****ing whaling rights. Didn't we defeat the whales over this?
>>583073972Is that Kripp.
>>583073640I don't care if it's gay, I want options for the Forsaken to have more normal undead looks like Garek or even undead Elves.
>>583073769holy tourist>>583073782japan is the closest to civilization you'll have in current year
>>583074007>xhe thinks anyone will read xer ramblingslel
>>583073904?>babbys first blizz beta
>>583073898#nochanges were prophetic. always correct. the very fact that classic was made, the fact that era still has a playerbase, the fact that blizzard is even taking an interest in the game from 2004 is a testament to how perfect it was.
>>583072389that was a thing in classic I remember buying greens on the ah and doing it too
>>583073904its a beta you retard
man I am going to sleep....... stupid burger streamers blocking my login...... cramping my style...........
>>583074036Visible bones should definitely be a per-limb customization option, along with no hunch.Darkfallen with playable Hunters would also be great.
>>583073972unironically based
>>583073606SHREK GIF FAGGOT
>>583074128but forever is nothing like wow 2004
>>583074036I dont care for upright orcs but undead should be able to stand upright.
>character list finally retrieved>make a new one>retrieving character list againFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
>>583073972what do I need to do to avoid aging like dsp
Why won't blizzard do the one thing that can stop RMT: disable trading?
>>583073615post full
>>583072451Sauce?
>Items were nerfedSurprised they actually did it, but not mad about it
>>583074271tokens are still RMT, dumb dumb
>>583074074>illiterate zoomerpost wasnt for (You) "lil blvd"
ahhh you know what i think i'm just gonna go to bed or play another game or something *pretends not to care so that the servers come online faster*
>>583072389I mean the lvl 13 wand you can craft as enchanter, was like retardedly low in cost for the 15s you would get for it by vendoring when compared to other weapons you craft, but 1c is just retarded
>>583074271whats wrong with just letting people trade and arresting and brutalizing the rmt lawbreakers?
>>583074214because they need to monetize it. they want the retail crowd. how isn't this obvious to you? mounts/mogs/cheevo collectors have opted in to a paid beta where the only real incentive is a new playable race on release. the forums are nothing but advocating for retail like changes. some more disingenuous than others but i wouldn't be surprised.
>>583074369>mad cuz no attentionvery xemale
>>583074269diet, dont get gout or use ozempic.
>>583074428literally no mmo has ever stopped rmtyou ask for the impossible when the simple, possible solution exists already
I wish I could get into the beta without giving blizzard $60. Guess I'm going to keep playing mgs4 and shit posting bros.
>>583074047wtf they made kenma a cat?
>>583072172he just like me fr
Updated items
Did they ever list all the bonuses you get for each profession?
>>583074273https://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=17758647&tags=world_of_warcraft+animatedyou're welcome.OPEN THE SERVERS BLIZZARD
>>583072527my last girlfriend played a priest and demanded to heal but she was so bad we legitimately couldn't clear leveling dungeons. when we broke up, one of the reasons was that playing wow (which we did a lot) made her feel bad because she was so bad at the game.
>>583073437>>583073904did you really think they'd let you keep beta characters
>>583074535Why do some of them have wildly different stats? I expected nerfs but now some of these are for entirely different classes.
>>583073904it's a beta though
>583074471>i use le funny mem word on u
>>583074592guess I'll just masturbate again while my character list is found
>>583074535which is which
>>583074595you dodged a bullet. imagine breeding with a retard too dumb too heal on a priest. you know IQ comes from maternal DNA, right? you really wanna raise a bundle of little tardos who can't heal? fuck no. you lucked out.
>>583074428I mean at this point people are so retarded and into drama you could prolly hire some streamers as GMs and all they do is bust gold buyers all daybut at this point I just belive blizzard does not care at best or at worst profits from gold sales
>>583074269>don't smoke>drink water>use sunscreen>get enough sleep>eat a reasonably balanced diet>reasonable amount of exercise, even just a daily stretching regimen and light calisthenics helpsand most importantly>genetics
>>583072093REST IN PEACE NATE HIGGER
WOW the new hd models in this patch are crazy. holy shit
>>583072832They do a nice job with the detail work but i hate that they insist on making NE amazon hulks. NE are supposed to be DEX builds.
>>583074843is this cropped gay porn
>>583074592based. is there one of just her, without a dude or cock
>>583072527Human Paladin but I haven't met her yet.
Come and get her
>>583074582>where's margravethat joke got old like a week ago
>servers up>only for a small minorityif this happens on launch day I'm going to do some crazy never before seen minecraft builds
>>583073013right wingers are so bad at satire, this could be from 10 years ago
>>583074910male nelf is definitionally gay by default
>>583074763she would get so flustered from multiple people taking damage or more than a few mobs that she shut down like a deer in headlights
>>583074951can you not fucking say that i play a male nelf and i am a father in real life
every single gold coin has a serial number
>>583074910dunno. been trying to find some more in this style but can't really. was just on rule34. whoever has that AI tool can prob make some good ones. seems pretty high quality.
post your cute skyelfif it's cute, i'll make a doodle
>>583075086every single trade you send has an invisible chatgpt watermark
>>583075037hey i dont make the rules. it is what it is.
>>583075112skelves are just BE for the colorblind
RETRIEVING CHARACTER BROS RISE UP
Can anyone post the new "lower resolution" incubus model?
>finally get in>have zero desire to playfresh when?
GEIVE CHARACTER LIST REEEEEEEEEEEEE
A girl just sent me a picture of her breasts
>>583074975woman moment. women are smooth brained and cant walk and chew bubble gum, thats why they're never actually good at any game and its always just men.
Bros.... Why can't shaman get a tanking spec? I want to tank dungeons
>>583075267don't u have a bunch of quests to turn in that's what im gonna do>>583075294yeah right as if
>move every gold seller to their own dedicated RMT layer>only people on this layer are gold sellers and gold buyers>let the sellers advertise to empty towns>continually remove the gold and items bought with the gold from the buyers inventories every time >never acknowledge that they are on the RMT layer>this is the future they chose
>>583075325chud moment. chuds are going to die alone, seek help
GOLY SHIT THEY UNCAPPED THE FRAMERATE YOU CAN GET MORE THAN 140 FPS
>>583074948Your side still talks like that man idk what to tell you, just check Bluesky
>>583074951No, male night elf druid is straight and based.Martial classes like warrior, hunter and rogue? Kinda gay, it's women's work in night elf society.Priest? 100% guaranteed gay.
>>583075358Just tank lol
>bro will play tank but wont play healer for his homies
>>583072945basedty my friendi love you>>583072730good girl
>>583073013i googled this and literally only this thread came upanon... did you write this yourself?
FVVVVVVAAAAAAARRRRRRRRKSD Racial Portraits.Cwassic /v/ros we are so back....
>Almost no changes in the patch>Datamined even more changes and it's still fucking nothingRogue sisters...our rework...I wanna be 5% better...
>Asmon got in twice before I could get in once
>>583075583based
>>583075423I'm a chud and I have lived with my gf for 3 years. I'm proposing on new years because it's when we met.
>>583074975That does sound typically female. They are useless in high-pressure situations. It's because women have a different hierarchy of needs than men. You ask any man whether he feels safe walking around the city at night and he'll say yes whereas a woman will get upset for you even asking. They are delicate creatures.
>>583074676Meant for >>583074471 sorry I'm new to this reply thing
I finally made it pass the loading screen... I am FREE
patch notes where
>>583075630but they said rogues will be top DPSoh you had trouble getting into groups? well, here's a bunch of FOTM rerollers lol
>wowfag can't log in>i'm seeing lvl 22 & 23 characters running aroundbros...it's over for you...
>>583075639Owned by the king
how the fuck are you getting past retrieving character list
>>583075583Holy shit they are so much better looking
>>583075112nyeheheheh
>>583075837It just got through after a million years....Then booted me out after failing to load the game.Shit's fucked.
>>583075583holyyyyyy blizzards doing it!!!!!!!!!!im having fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I didn't shell out for the beta, what class should I main on launch, and why is it gonna be warrior even though my econ would be so much better with any other class
>>583075583were in asmonbros
>>583075837Did you not buy second wave beta access?
god I hate this faggot shill so much, sucking blizzard cock for money all day on stream, enjoying all the viewerbots they pay him and excusing their worthless effortless shit game that will be complete dead in 2 months, he is even worse than asmonroach
>>583075837buying battle.net credit
>>583076036who anon, the demons in your head? you didn't post a name.
>>583075837I'm stuck in the loading screen now with a blue bar
>>583075583Skelf portrait still looks like Handsome Squidward.
>>583076036leave and dont come back.
Did Verigan's Fist just get buffed or did it always have a proc chance on the beta?
>>583075885now pick a number between 2 and 31
>>583075583Looks like SD is back on the menu boys!
>>583075726im not a furry and i'd never seen the term used ever before. i invented it now myself organically without external influence. i know it's an impossible concept for an iqlet who cannot into 4chinz to comprehend but there are people out there who have original thoughts of their own. i know your programmingslop never taught you that or even ever allowed you to be aware of that but the truth hurts, lil gup.also the only way you'd know that was furfag shit is by being into furfag shit so neck yourself you fucking degenerate.
I kind of wish they were doing dedicated servers instead of the one big server per type thing.
>>583075583i can't get in to check if this is real so i have to take your word for iti'm glad they've mostly been very fast about pivoting to old school graphics as the complaints roll in, i just wish they had been able to predict we would want the old school graphics to begin with so they could have had it from the start
>>583076036so angry I forgot the pic
HELP CHAT DO I PICK SHADOW PRIEST OR AFFLICTION WARLOCK HELP AIEEEEE
>>583076259ive been having fun on aff lock
>>583072093>Dungeon quests now reward 50% less extra experience beyond normal quest values.so what the fuck? what are they so god damned intent on killing off dungeon levelling?
>BLIZZARD W! THEY PUT THE OLD PORTRAITS BACK! THEY ARE LISTENING!
>>583076259>CHATBe honest, how old are you?
>>5830758855
>>583076329i look like this and I say this
it's kino
>>583076259i want to play shadow but spriests are dooming right now since they have no identity at 60 and are just worse aff locks
>>583076254yea hes been insufferable since blizzcon especially very obviously bought
>>583073904he leveld all jobs to 225 in beta and had, all classes lvl 20 ready with 35 finished quests.....
>>583076396so fucking chad
>>583075583Couldnt they at least make the skelves different somehow instead of a mirror image?
tfw I didn't realize I needed to sell all my crafted wands before the reset so now I have a dozen 1 copper wands
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new gorilla pet ability: fent frenzy
>>583076203>>5830763615
Are Legacy Talents not working?Im pressing Y and nothing happens
>>583076515damn, still?
>>583076329i look like this and say this
>>583076505>high and mighty alliance skyborne>rebellious mud hut lover horde skyborne
>retrieving character list>after 10-15 minutes the list finally loads>login>stuck on loading screenLET ME IN
>>58307634226 ^_^
>>583076586High Order vs Shitshaper
the fuck is this shit
Can I play an hour before I have to go to bed for work please.
obviously there are TENS of people trying to log on all at the same time since the servers were shidded up so OF COURSE blizzard technology will be chugging and struggling .....
>>583076586>based skyborne>leftrannigger skyborne
>>583076251I didn't know how much better the SD Models were until I went into WoW Forever and compared them side by side.
>>583076532aight
>>583076586alliance skyborne are the rebellious ones thoughhorde skyborne are the trad ones
>>583076329this but unironically
>>583076643A spoopy wolf
Troll warlock bros. You come get da' voodoo status?
BLIZZARD LET ME INLET MEEE IN
>>583076643Looks like a ghost wolf to me
I CAN'T QUEUE
>>583076170Just buffed to the Wolfsbane effect vs Earth/Fire Eles with this update.
>>583076718right is unironically better
>>583076730Shitflingers split off High Order because they started to resemble the High Elves of old. Doesn't get any more traditional than Azhara's court.
>>583076643it appears to be the vanilla ghost wolf form with the retail transparency effect
>>583076857I don't think so. Has too much of an 'oaf' vibe.
>>583072527Warlock
>>583076827>not picking undead for best raid dpsanon sama...
DAILY REMINDERWoW Forever is ruined from the start and contradicts blizzard's very own public statements made at blizzcon about staying true to VanillaGiving horde paladins and alliance shaman is a disaster and extremely fucking lazy, all because they are going to cater to the most mentally ill of their community that only plays the game to parse numbers on a spreadsheet and have real life panic attacks if they don't have their homogenization of classes and racesblizzard is extremely lazy and creatively bankrupt even when they don't have to even think, WarCraft 3 has a plethora of units to choose from that can be made into playable classes and it's embarrassing that we haven't seen more added over the last twenty yearsThis is what happens when a company loses it's soul and starts pandering to hamfisted political correctness and worrying about painting the + symbol on the classic wow subreddit into the lqbtq psy-op rainbow colors, instead of making content in the vein of how the franchise was founded
>>583076719oh great what's that?
>>583076718left: soulright: literal haji-looking inbred retard with racial -50% cranial capacityIt's time to start making leftism illegal and sending the people responsible to labor camps for life.
>>583076929>picking for mechanics and not for sovl and rp??
>>583076965aww my little baby!!! uninstall the game and leave the general
why did you ask for classic+ if you didnt want classic+ actually?
>>583076718>left>a MAN>right>an egg.
The talent page used to show you the max possible rank of the talents, right?
>>583076965There's literally nothing in the lore saying Undead can't be Paladins and Dwarves have been able to be Shamans for fucking ever in the lore. Kill yourself immediately.
>>583076965didn't ask
>>583076718Not that human males were exactly good looking in the old models (beards helped tremendously with covering up their ugliness) but the HD models all have these plump and chapped lips that look disgusting. I've seen people say they look like human Shrek but they've also got a "Homer Simpson in real life" look to them that's really fucking ugly.
>>583076643that's retail>>583076827that's a witch doctor, you fucking tranny nigger
>>583077054i want to buy gold and i want to pay a vietnamese child to boost me to 60 the proper way to play classic
>>583076514Blizzard just made all your NFTs worthless and you can sue them for it, as I will be doingt. law student
they sending me bait emails that made me think i got a beta invite :(
>>583077060 I don't think so. I always remember multiplying by five to figure it out.
>>583077054Some people assumed Classic+ would just be>Minor balance changes to make some lesser specs competitive>A few new items>Maybe a new dungeon every year
>>583073904
>>583077178you're a bad law student because it was never his, nor is it yours. you're only paying for access to their property, retard.
>>583077052>>583077068>>583077090leftist reddit snarkers, claiming another franchise and safespace for the faggot jihad
>>583077304you're free to not get compensated for this, we all make mistakes
spot the ghost wolf
something fucky going on with fps in org again, thanks blizzard
>>583077191Kek the guy who writes blizzard emails is such a fucking faggot dude id knock him out easily
>>583077439it's kino
>>583077428Do you need medical attention?
what is the current optimal paladin downplaying strategy?
>>583077327There have been canonically gay NPCs in the game since 2008
>>583077556la creatura...
Kino about a Human Male who was raised by Tauren and has a slower Tauren Male Step-Brother who trusts him fully. The Tauren Male is sensitive to loud noises.
>they killed downrankingmore proof that forever is retail minus
>>583077439they sure like making things blue, when are they going to starting dropping all the pink, what's next after the pink is everyone going to leave a trail of blood flowing from their groins
>>583077256nah, I mean things like this (see pic)I remember this one being a 2 point talent, but it's not indicated any more
>>583077556There is no such thing as gay in Azeroth because there is no such thing as sex in World of Warcraft.Just think for a moment: nelfs were immortal, right? So why then aren't there billions and billions of them since they never die? Cuz there is no reproduction in worlo. Fuck off.
you're already late
>>583077327You're genuinely fucking retarded. Tell me how Undead can access the light as Priests but can't as Paladins. >it's a gameplay contrivanceThat stopped being true by TBC. They stopped using that cope 20 years ago.
Sounds like we're so back. Wow will dominate again.
>>583077747there's no such thing as sex in your world either lmao
>>583077556>tbc was faggot shitwe know
>>583077658Downranking was bad design
>>583077651alex the lion lookin ahh
>>583077694oh i think you're probably right, i think it did used to say 0/5i assume this is an issue with the r*tail client
>>583076836Youre a boring piece of worthless shit dude just stop posting your garbage online for us to read. What a stupid fucking moron, unbelievable.
>>583077810>tbc>snowthats wrath
>>583077747From what I know of Elves ( Not Warcraft Elves. I'm talking Elves Elves. ) , Elves choose when to have a baby. Elves can switch off whether or not a particular sexual encounter is reproductive or not.
>>583077808not since this morning and not for another 3 hours! HEY YO
vulpera before ogres
>>583077762I wish they would do this limited release for the actual game
>>583076718Most are fine but humans are atrocious. I don't know what the fuck they were thinking with those models.
>>583076643retards can't see themselves because dark areas are now dark
>>583077810>2008>snow>TBCposeur ass faggot pretending you know shit about dick
>can't log in while others get to play for hours, already halfway to 30yep that's a wait for nov 4th moment
>>583077849NTAstop knocking kino posts.
>>583077924Fuck off!
>more than two sentencesBlud really expecting anyone to read his diddy ah clod generated essays OMEGALOL
Aggrend... Please...
>>583078046what kind of lonely sociopath tries to tone-police on vg? how deranged does one need to get to backseat-jannig? that's wild that such creatures exist.
>>583078167I had to stick up for a kino post.
uhhhh where do I go now that I can level to 30? I'm lost, I only knew how to play up to 20
>>583077785undead priests are just as retarded as undead paladinsnice jewish pilpul thoughand it doesn't justify undead paladin inclusion which is even more damningstop defending homogenization for raid purposes and blizzard's laziness and creative bankruptcy blizzard should be a trillion dollar company and we the fans should be catered to with coherent loreblizzard can't even sell their own merch anymore because the company has pozzed itself so hard, it needs to hire jeets to gaslight it's own community about their shitty special editions selling well and the jeets are so inorganic they stand out like a sore thumb
>>583078228based true-fren
>>583077841>self censoring faggot-speak
>>583073553>Is trans short for Transcendence since they don't want to be women or men.kinda based tbdesu
>>583078250>schizoposter is also an antisemitei'm nooticing
Best Class for Human Male Pirate?
>>583077983I got r1 in tbc. Im a rank 1 pvper haha. I know, most people see my title and instantly they can’t help feeling bad about themselves. I just want you to know that you’re just as good at pvp as I am. And you can easily get a r1 title in forever to show off. It’s not that much work to be better than 99.9% of all the other players in the entire game. Many people have done it by now, there’s probably at least 2 other r1s here.
>>583078250>undead priests are just as retarded as undead paladins
>>583078331he got mauled mid sentence by alex the lion, and you're calling him slurs?
>>583078126they be lowkirkenuinely cray
>>583078232Go fishing
>>583078442such an esoteric Dance. Blizzard hit it outta the park with these Elves . Seriously.Fuck.
tauren and troll females made for white human men with big cocksorc and blood elf females made for white human men with normal cocksgoblin and vulpera females made for white human men with small cocksequilibrium
>>583077862>>583077983trannies thinking anyone cares or follows their subversive gotcha, this just makes you look more pathetic, what does this have to do with warcraft or putting the war back in ityou've been subverting this shit from the startkill yourselves, this is why the game needs to be gatekept even harder from you commie troon freaks
>>583078616>Subversivedon't engage with fuentes watchers
>>583078404better safe than sorry
>>583072902These threads are like 3 retards spamming the same posts and random namedrops from gamer-district 12 years ago, you aren't recruiting anyone from here.
Why doesn't this game have Death Nights and Demon Hunters?
>new patch>still no official steam controller supportnot my worlo forlover
Is shaman actually that bad?
Sepulcher is completely empty it used to be busting with people
>>583078578im a human white male and i would never fuck any of these disgusting non-human animals. i would however remove the heads of all those human males who do! Like France in 1945.
>>583078734it seems pretty good to me
>>583078669Don’t bring the child leader of the white race into this
>>583078706we are going to get tinkers before death knights but after demon hunters.
>>583078250You're actually not even saying anything, you're just spewing verbal diarrhea that is the equivalent of saying "you're wrong and I'm right and if only blizzard listened to people like me they'd be rich". Just schizobabble, formulate an actual argument next time faggot.
>>583078706Let's just say, we're not really going to speak on that just right now :^)
speedrunners are already level 25
>>583078669I don't think you care about ideology as long as they suck cock, that seems to be the determining factor for your kindit's all about that pp touching the lips and bussy to you and your faggot mafia
>>583078687I’m joining <Lemon Party>!
christ
>>583078578But I want gobbos and I'm 8 inches
>>583078232Want to download my restedxp guide? Youll get xp rates higher than you ever dreamed. I’ll be selling it on the auction house and it’ll go to the highest bidder.
>>583078616>>583078891Can you go back?
>>583078887it's fucking over is it worth even starting?
is it up?
>10% crit for 15s>can shadowmeld in combat in pvp to dodge a cast>2% runspeed on top because why not
>>583078958this means literally nothing there is zero reason to play this like there was zero reason to play classic or retail
>>583078983>have to be pink
>>583078806
Uh guys, what's my level 30 BiS list?
>>583079067oh ok thats good then
>>583078983>still mogged by gnome and human for pvp
>>583078983Why can't they be shamans...
>>583079075pretend is a strong word
I imagine questing in hillsbrad right now on pvp servers is borderline impossible
I see the "Foreverpvp" surname so often. Who are those people?
>>583078740no one is logged in
>>583076361Jinx?
How do you guys think one would fulfill the Pirate Fantasy in Worlo?Rogue doesn't exactly have guns or dubloons.
>>583079142Gamer plug (remotely operated multi speed vibration)
>>583076730>Alliance Skyborne, led by a man, are trying to find a way for their people to help themselves by embracing their ancient arcane heritage instead of relying upon unpredictable air elementals who abandoned them before, which leads them to reunite with their cousins (night elves, high elves)>Horde Skyborne, led by a woman, just want to bum around and do nothing while waiting till daddy Al'akir comes homes and saves them (a plan so dumb even the tauren are like wtf), which leads them to join a faction of mudhut savages and rotting corpseshow did Aggrend get away with this one?
>>583079075See you in November!
>>583079170people actually play that minigame?
>>583079207Streamers doing the streamer tournamentTheyre likely livestreaming so don't attack them in PvP or you might get banned for streamsniping
>pandas confirmed within 2 yearslets fucking gooooo
>>583078891he just criticized notorious homosexual nick fuentes
hey insider guy, tell them to send out the beta keys already.please
>>583079271is there an API that can be tied into damage meters so it rewards one with greater stimulation the better one does?!
>Still making sweeping changes weeks before launchthis is going to be a disaster isn't it
>>583079325you wish faggot
>>583079170Nah night elf is way better for every type of content unless you’re healing.
>>583079248Jinx? i am not Jinx
>>583079207There's a Horde PVP Tournament coming up and for some reason the organizer requires people to be named foreverpvp. It's one of the reasons why I'm not participating, because I'm an RPer and I'm not going to name my character 'foreverpvp'.
>>583079297its the only reason to play desu
>>583079325for 29,99? what a steal! I'll put it on your tab
>>58307917010% crit for 15s > 10% damage on your next 3 abilities
>>583079376That’s a really good idea and it’s important to stay motivated.
>>583079325pandas and flying were literally the two worst things to happen to wow so hopefully all pandaniggers get genocided tf out
>stumble across hunter in westfall>he tries frost trapping>divine shield>he puts on cheetah and starts running>when shield wears off he tries to take a shot>blast him with dynamite>dazed>walk up and 2 shot himlololol
>>583079317>>583079429I see, thanks anons
shadowmeld is the strongest racial in the gamenone of your stupid number fiddling pve dragonslaying minigame racials will EVER do anything about that
>>583079523basically any decision blizz made post vanilla was retarded
>>583079534fake. dont fall for stories like this from paladin falseflaggers. we all know paladin sucks
>>583079497Correct but thats not the reason gnome is bis
What if Pandaria gets invaded by something and the Pandaren have to hide underground with a bunch of earth elements and they become Red Pandaren
>>583079553love seeing this play out again exactly the way it did 22 years ago until they nerf shadowmeld and turn it into a lower-level of stealth that does not break target lock, just like vanilla - all the same shit all over again just 2 decades later.
>>583075112
What did shamans do to deserve this?
>>583079639the gnome onahole is best enjoyed when you're not the one getting gaped
>>583079553why
>>583079697I hate that
>>583079393Yeah it looks super half baked. Not tiny math adjustments, wholesale redesign. But I mean that’s always been wow, huge imbalances and persistent bugs that devs always try to catch up to, but I don’t remember them solving things in such extreme ways.
>>583079679they said cute not puke-disgusting and ugly you fuckernaut
>>583079679>fweckles
>>583079553It’s not that good actually. PvP is mostly about dps. You can’t do anything cool while melded you’ll just be standing there or it’ll buy you a one second delay on their cast. Nelf is only good because it provides the most damage.
>>583079679you just know this bitch gets fucked by 3 BLACK tauren BULLS with a cock in every hole
>>583079294See you next time when you try again to paint Nick Fuentes as anything other than a faggot homosexual grifter just like hasan piker and asmonogold or pretnding blizzard is an actual video game company and not a turbo pozzed franchise hostage taking organization
>>583077439I actually would sneak around with Classic ghost wolf.
Found an infinite gold making glitch. Not gonna report it, you can easily make 5000g per hour with it. Gonna be fun to buy out the entire AH on release
I really like druid stylistically but it feels pretty bad to play. Nothing does damage and takes a fuck ton of mana and mana regen is ass. Do they get pretty fun later or should I just look at other classes?
>>583079679built for knots
>>583079932i bet it involves the interact button just like all the other dozens of duping exploits in retail wow. i assume they'd have brought that over to forever since forever is basically just retarded-retail.
>>583078983shadowmeld doesnt dodge casts, it just drops threat in combat
>>583079896The good ole days when Shawn was on the Sweat.
>>583079665I WILL interrupt your important casts, I WILL avoid the gankfest in the open world, I WILL always get the jump on you, and you WILL seethe and shart>>583079861tell me you don't actually pvp as a nelf without telling me you don't actually pvp as a nelf
>>583079697Having to fight nature immune mobs did this.
>>583079981>Do they get pretty fun laterThey get worse actually. Every other class rushes past you with fun and impactful abilities around 40-60
>>583079896Man that's crazy, you'll still be subbing in November like the meek little faggot you are, looking down at your feet while complaining how bad the game is while you continue to play it.
>>583079623I'm winning, horde is losing.
you can just go up to people and speak to them this is crazy
>>583080056that's pve. in pvp it dodges casts>>583079981skill issue. watch germanicus
>forever is a containment server for streamers and older casual playersMy God! The genius of it!
>>583080136
>>583079280Continued retarded posts from non-readers.High Order summary: accurate enough, though their 'embracing [of] their ancient arcane heritage' pointedly includes the defiling and breaking of sites/relics sacred to the Skyborne, themselves included considering the relatively recent schism leading to the High Order splintering off. One of the key points of contention between them prior to Z-Isle.Windshaper summary: They seek to maintain their traditions that they've kept for thousands of years, admittedly to the point of it being problematic, as those traditions were formed side-by-side with the Air Elementals that have fucked off. Literally thousands of years of "how things are done," think being fought against here, which is the biggest mindset shift between the factions+regular Skyborne. Your retardation: the cult of Al'akesh are the third faction and are a legitimate cult preying on the opportunity of the Air Elementals disappearing and the other non-Z-Isle skylands having gradually already dropped out of the Skywall. The Windshapers don't know about Al'Akir, as the Air Elementals didn't want to tell anybody about them, while the Cult overdosed on Farsight drugs, caught a peek, and decided anarchy and selling out to Al'Akir was better than society.
>>583080136HUGE if true
>>583079679blue tranny janny pedophile posts, it's faggot discord faggot harem replieshow many times a day does this happen in here, twenty or more, these faggots spend all day erp masturbating with each otherBARF
>>583080067>I WILL interrupt your important casts, I WILL avoid the gankfest in the open world, I WILL always get the jump on you, and you WILL seethe and shartyeah i agree - all of that was true back then too .... until it wasn't
>>583080139>skill issue. watch germanicusIs that the guy who boasts about beating a level 18 human male warrior (while using FAPs and Grenades) and uses that as proof that feral is "completely OP"?Right...
is there an addon that separates the quest log and the map?
>>583080139>>583080102damn, guess i'll choose a more fun class then thanks
>>583079981https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwExGKjkuxI
>>583080298hordecucks have been doing this pretend blacked roleplay for about 12 years or so in the retail general
>>583080314no he's the one who routinely survives a 1v10 in stormwind and still manages to kill one of them
>>583080249none of these words are in the bible
>>583080361you can really tell who played vanilla and who didn't by how they react to druid. druid was such a fucking piece of shit in vanilla. it's so comfy and good now by comparison BUT THE FUCKING FURRY FAGGOTS STILL AREN'T HAPPY
>>583080126you use this same logic when you switch your multiple personalities to the one that posts cartoon child porn, getting kind of obvious
I think all the people that have been called the same person by our resident schizo should make a guild
>>583080136Can one learn this power
which paid addons should I get at launch?
>>583080136They don’t have any value, that’s why lucifer fucks them in the ass. Theyre anal slaves to a talking demon. I just mute the chats like they’re all completely worthless and id be happy to see them die.
>>583080535ive never heard anything so shocking before in all my life
>>583080508pirate rested
>feral could be a bad ass disease/bleed hybrid>half baked worse version of power shifting
>>583077439cringe
>>583080478That's your best comeback? Accusing me of being the slop spammer? I accept your concession, see you in November.
>>583080508whichever ones cost the most. that's how you know they are the bestest.
>>583079861You can carry around a stack of invis pots, shadowmeld in combat, drink a pot, and now you just performed a budget vanish on any class.
>>583080535
>>583080473Yeah I'm very happy with druid. The only thing left that I want is more druid form customization options which we're probably getting. I'd love to be a snake at 60.
>started a guild on beta>recruit a bunch>log on for cap increase>nobody onlineit's over
>>583080654where
>>583080393/wowg/ isn’t too bad for that. The dominant faction there is gay furries. There’s like 5 people that make rounds on all the wow threads BLACKEDposting as tauren and orcs, and there is a now defunct private server guild that was dedicated to race fetishism and trans rights
>>583080668accepting yourself as a nigger as well
>>583080790i no leik snek. snek makes want step on.
He can't stop winning
skelveborne
>>583080871>and there is a now defunct private server guild that was dedicated to race fetishism and trans rights>defunctpretty sure the horde pvp eu guild has several of these freaks
>>583080727Very nice, very nice.HOWEVER
>>583080473Shifting shouldn't cost manaWe desperately need Flight FormCat should have all rogue abilitiesBear should have all warrior abilitiesBarkskin should be a 80% damage reduction for 15 seconds on a 2 min CDOwlbear should get a pet and be able to stealth as a stealth caster
>Log in after the update>Beta access revoked>Inappropiate nameIt should be a temporary ban wtf, I paid for this shit, just give me a name change
>>583080310shadowmeld was BUFFED from classic to forever, why on fauci's green earth would you even entertain the possibility that it'd get nerfed, aside from cope?
How come mages are allowed to wipe all their debuffs and reset the fight !twice! with ice block but rogues aren't allowed to have cloak of shadows to do it even once a fight
god questie is so much better than blizzards quest objectives
>>583081037i'm sorry Niggernigger Niggernigger, you'll just have to wait it out
>>583080879https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-forever-beta-development-notes-%E2%80%93-updated-september-24/2360696/4
>>583080871why is it always the furfagsthey took over gw2 general as well
>>583081076because rogues are the highest single target dps, stealth, and have multiple non-overlapping cc.
If gold buyers didn't exist, and botting was legal. We could make our AI girlfriends play world of warcraft with us. We could give them a body and adventure with them. The technology already exists. Ponder it.
How does the nerfed consecrate work? After the first 4 inside die does it rotate the 4 and do full damage to other mobs still inside?
>>583081076>why are classes different?
>>583080136Are you insane???
>>583081076play dwarf
>>583081237yes
>>583081076>rogues complaining about other classes cd's
how's warrior rage now that crits give incrasead rage?
Which inn do you guys think is best for a Human Male former Pirate to own?
>>583081037I kneel, Saint Floyd
Inv asmon layer
>>583081037your refund privilege, sister?
>>583077651>works out at the library
>>583081358
>>583081076it's called dwarf rogue with stoneform
>>583081439almost exactly the same since you have like 5% crit i.e. completely fine and almost the same as vanilla, it's lvl 20 nigger
>>583081456beaner faggot is back posting it's repulsive avatarfagging ritual post
>>583081640ironing
>>583079861For world pvp it, lets you simply not take a terrible match up that you would lose.No racial can do anything like that.
>>583081214you can already do this with a single player server
Why do people like the human questing zones so much?Every time I try to quest in the human zones, there's a million fucking niggers there tagging all the mobs the moment they spawn. And then you go to the Dwarf or Night Elf areas and there's fucking nobody. It's bizarre.
Is this another poopdickschizo scenario where I'm not in the know on 10 years of /vg/ e-drama across a dozen pservers and classic?
Tempted to try Monsters and Mammaries
>using addons in anno domini 2026Blizzard's default UI is so good now that there's just no longer any need, downloading addons is pure autism now
PvP on ascension was pretty good. I can’t believe they closed it down. Now I can’t even fucking pvp, the ptr is down too and im not gonna pvp on retail just for some fag who p2w thundefury can put me in his YouTube video.
>>583072356>Want to duo level with me babe?Ehh.. s-sure, why not?
>>583081780> Why do people like the human questing zones so much?Elwynn is peak comfy.
>>583081780It's a very safe starting zone for people to level to 10 through, all the questing areas are very safe outside of a few speed bumps like the kobold caves at levels 5-7.
>>583081698love your projection don't cha
>>583081871>Blizzard's default UI is so good nowBait use to be real.
>>583081871your peggle wow??
>>583081871most of it is OK but I must have a tooltip addon for my infos
>>583081957ironing
>>583081153Vulpera were the nail in the coffin for WoW not "being a furry game"
Why does horde have a quest in hillsbrad foothills to assassinate magistrate kirk?
>>583081791Nah here's all the primer info you needTheres a schizo that thinks random people or anyone who responds to him are all the same person and is a janitorIf he responded to you then you said one of his trigger words (the list is way too big to be properly catalogued)
Im loving all these class and balance changes, this is how they do it in retail and it works out quite well :^)
oh my god i didn't notice the brown leather satchel was 25 silver before i bought it i'm financially ruined
>>583081992raped by the post id number lol
I'm loving all the nochanges in classic that's why the servers are still alive and flourishing
>>583072213logging into this skanks belfussy (no password required)
>>583082117I see, thanks for explaining.
>>583082146ironing
>>583078983they have the coolest mounts in game as well
>>583081780I have fun leveling in low populated niche areas but getting the quests required for certain dungeons gets annoying
I kinda don't want to play cause I don't want to burn myself out..buying this beta might've been a mistake
>>583081968where do you get yours? I was using tinytip years ago but it's not on anything but old 1.12 clients
>he's playing on pvp
>>583081028>We desperately need Flight FormFUCK OOOOOOOFFFFFFFTO HELL WITH YOU, DEMON>>583081058cuz no they didn't because all they did was reverse the original nerfs and cuz yes they will, DUHDUHjust wait until 60 when nelf hunters and priests basically own all BGS like what happened last time. DUH
>>583081780The story progression from Elwynn to Westfall to Redridge and then finally Duskwood feels the most thematic, natural, and lore based.
>>583082318I bought the 100 dollar pack and don't intend on playing it. Just throwing the devs some love
Retail PvP was never bad mechanically it was just a gear thing. I’d always get geared and discover, nobody else who queued for bgs had gear. And it just ended up feeling like really unrewarding when you do 15% bonus damage compared to other people. On classic it’s actually not as bad for some reason, it’s always hilarious to shit on some fag who has no gear. Anyways hopefully forever has a more active queue based pvp situation like ascension had. On ascension you could level to max just by pvping. And they solved the healer shortage for 3v3 by letting 1v1 get gladiator titles. Honestly trying to find a fucking healer for 3v3 is so hard, even healing it is hard because the dps players suck. You can’t actually play healer because you’ll end up healing the tarded shitter who sips before and after his cooldown phase. Yeah hopefully the pvp is actually as good as it was on ascension. Im actually like so fucking nervous I can’t believe we might be playing a worse product just because they literally used guns to shutdown ascension like they actually raided that guy with army soldiers and took away the wow private server he worked on which was beloved by me. And in exchange they’re giving us a delayed forever release which probably won’t even be as good I wouldn’t say I trust them they’re violent.
>finally log in>no level 30>dungeon drops I got are green and/or dogshit>woyer talents are completely fucking different
>>583081992
>>583082438
>>583081076>Rogue stun locks you for a full 40 secondsI wonder why.
>>583081076cuz they're magic and you're just a low-iq backstabbing niggerogue and you dont deserve anything since you are basically the dregs of society, hated by everyone.
>>583081780mfs be like "oh boy I can't I can't wait to play my immersive, otherwordly, totally unrealistic high fantasy game!" *proceeds to play human in human area*
>>583082328midnight tooltip works, it's adequatenot sure if tiptac works on forever yet but that's also goodoverall addons seem a little jankier/shitter on forever but maybe that's temporary
>retoilet WoW>Hillsbrad basically went fully H*rde and is an irradiated wasteland>Forever>Hillsbrad is certified Alliance BVLL territory complete with its own capital city rivaling the Undercity just on the other side of Lordamere Lake
Based Aggrend for adding this
>>583082575horde all belong in the ground
Does the 30 USD version now have beta access?
>>583082624this would save wow, forever
>>583082624https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u15HmEMp2Qc
>email telling me to enter the beta>its not a beta key because i opted in weeks agofuck off im not paying 60 dollars to play the exact same game ill be playing 30 days from now
when are they adding the night elf mohawk
>>583082723we used to be a country
>>583082624https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfBMZoHbmU4reminds me of this kino
>>583082723lvdosovl
>>583082575we honestly still haven't recovered from the consequences of the CACAclysm
i'm playing fem skelf shaman in nov
How do I persuade my friend not to install olympus mute
>hellicopter sounds >”im in position” >”team red get the front of his apartment. Team blue land on the roof. Let’s show this piece of shit private server owner what happens when you fuck with blizzard. YEEE HAWWW *bang bang bang*”>a ladder rolls down out of the helicopter and 5 supreme navy seals sprint down the hallway into the computer programmers bedroom where he’s coding new STV roleplay mechanics >GET ON THE FUCKING GROUND, YOURE NOT A REAL GAME DEVELOPPER. THOSE ARE BLIZZARD QUALITY ASSETS FROM 25 YEARS AGO. >a wicked evil grin crosses over the game developers face as he says “let’s settle this in a mutually contractual agreement, eh squad?” >GET THE COMPUTERS WE NEED TO DELETE ASCENSION. ITS CAUSING HUGE LOSSES TO BLIZZARD QUALITY PRODUCTS LIKE RETAIL WHICH IS JUST AS ENJOYABLE TO LEVEL TO 60 ON. >3 navy seals carry in a bomb and explode ascension servers, ending the joy of over 100,000 gamers who had broken free from blizzards mind control project
>>583077262We need classic:>no changes>some QoL changes>lots of changes classic+>retail amount of changes SoDGet on it blizzard
ima be mad if they save self-found for people to play hardcore again. like it should be out when hardcore releases in december
>>583083013Tell him you are trying to save the white race
>>583083013take away her estrogen pills
i need november and layoff to get here so i can no life for like two months
I'm hype for Nov 4th, but I feel no desire to play 20-30 with the wipe this month. 1-20 felt like a good enough sneak peak and test run to figure out what class I want.
>>583083013tell him how he's committing white genocide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDRcv_w85j8>Soda points out warlock fear rage>devs said, shit that was an oversight >fear buff, soon(tm)>he asks about SL SL being too strong>Devs say: we never balance 1v1holy kekking based, I'm so glad Warlock gets some attention, people should stop crying about locks, it's the least popular class since classic(minus some new addon classes).
https://olympustabard.com/TAP IN OLYMPUS BROS!!! BEFORE THE SALE ENDS!!!
>>583083246unironically better than playing pooever and giving shitzzard money
>>583082817holy kino
>fuck up your entire Spellpower coefficiency system>realize R1 spells are going to become a problem at endgame with the ludicrous amount of SP players now get>uuuuh>fuck it just gut Mage and Balance druid entirelyOne step forward. Two steps back.
>>583083292>Timestamp:1h and 8sec
>>583082723https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2_ueohYRhUbetter res!
>>583083417I don't play either of those
>>583083246>toxocuckI bet he bought programmer socks on turdle
>>583083417>dont need 6 ranks of flash of lightthis is a good change, friend
>erm you should allow me to downrank spells and still get the full benefit of the high rank spell>thats how it was in classic>if you dont you're literally killing my speclol classic andys are dumb as bricks
>>583083417Actual retail holy shit
Why can't the classic andys go to /vm/ and make a wow classic general there?
...
Can power word shield crit for more absorb?
Yeah apparently it was a night raid on project ascension servers in Tijuana. They actually brought like 8 helicopters and 12 tanks just to be sure that ascension was destroyed permanently. Evilblizzard corp has regained its stranglehold on the gaming community and has latched onto them like parasitic brain slugs. Ascension…. It was too powerful. Apparently the server got dumped and all data was sent into the air. Nobody knows where this data ended up but a team of 3 adventures have went out searching for signs of lost data particles. Their search ended up in a canyon near Las Vegas. This is a story about the recovery of the ascension files.
>>583081765>need to create 39 AI girlfriends to carry you through raids>they end up getting jealous of each other and your group constantly wipes because they end up sabotaging each other and filling the chat with catty shitposts against each otherMaybe the technology is too advanced.
>>583082761the haircut is in the game I saw a guy named nightelf mohawk and he had it
>>583083689Who gives a fuck nate higger rest in peace
WHAT THE FUCK DID THEY DO TO MAGE
>>583075086The blockchain, for gold.
>>583081439much better
>>583083417>>583083572Why is it bad that you can't cheese procs with rank 1 spells?
>>583083246I don't care about private servers, but I do care and am extremely passionate about preservation of our historyI hope this stuff gets spread far and wide and makes it impossible for modern blizzard to destroy or erase this from reality, like it seems they are dead set doing to all past true blizzard works
>>583083776Buy those spell rank ups, puppy
>>583083417>mmmm there there my darlings (warriors) dont worry we will give you everything you want! Hows about we also nerf mages?
>>583083246That's cool but wasted effort. Blizztroons can snap their fingers and all the hard work is erased (again)
>>583083763Blizz literally just fucked us all bigly again literally using men with guns and tanks. Thats literally like evil or something to use armed violent incursions against a population of video game players.
>>583083417Good. The entire point of using rank 1 spells was to proc the base effects of the abilities, e.g. the slow from Frostbolt.This was just abusing game mechanics.
>>583083246Yeah it's the 20 year old game executable and not the IP theft that got private servers shut down
>>583083812Mage their entire gameplan in PvP against all melees is spamming R1 Frostbolt and waiting for the Frostbite proc to Shatter them with a max rank spell.Together with the AoE nerfs Mage is now a complete fucking meme class in Forever
>>583083687>pov: you are green
Will devs answer why they are hell bent on making no one want to play alliance warlock
>>583084109Have you considered you can just do that with your 2nd highest rank spell?
hahahahahahahaha
see some basedjack video thumbnail with a streamer on it about WoW and decide to ignore it and select not interested>its actually the official WoW Forever PodcastHow dire.
>>583084275lmao that was my exact reaction to it when I first saw it. What were they thinking?!
>>583084149who gives a shiez about pvp
>>583084207It's slower and costs way more mana.Mage isn't the only one getting fucked by this. Spriest used to spam R1 SW:P to try to proc blackout. Overall this is once again a nerf to casters (who are already the most unpopular classes in the game). Guess they REALLY want people to play Paladin instead.
>somebody makes a better product than you >shake them down with soldiers and steal their work then sell your own worse copy of what they producedTroll face
>>583081915Voice trained?
>>583082107Better question is why does the horde have no equivalent to redridge or darkshire? Low level pvp flagged zones.
>>583084228
>steal copyrighted IP>be surprised when you get shutdown
>>583083246>legallylmao
>>583084228buck broken
>>583084358it's a minor nerf amongst a huge number of class changes inb4 noooo mage is literally le unplayable without ranky 1 frostbolt :((((((((((((((((((just wait and see, no need to have a total bussy meltdown
>>583084413stonetalon mountains
>>583084149If a couple racials dissuade you then you arent a real one anyway. Just a FOTM chaser.Alliance is stacked with anti rogue shit but real ones are still rolling rogue anyway.
>>583084358>It's slowerSounds like you should invest in Improved Frostbolt champ!
>>583083246uh oh, the blizzturdshill didn't like this post one bit....
>>583084052ignores the 20 years of ip rape perpetrated by the company holding the franchise hostage
Someone get some jars for the mage tears please, it's getting slippery
>>583084228back to grift just in time
>>583083817>like it seems they are dead set doing to all past true blizzard worksis there a single blizzard game you can't play other than specific wow expansions
>>583084467Copyrighting isn’t a real thing that anyone with a brain holds with high regard. The only system maintaining copyrights is guns and violence. Like you can’t own a drawing you fucking tard.
>>583083417>>583084109>>583084358Get fucked caster cuckiesYou are playing PALADIN: FOREVER
>>583084228oh boy neato, cant wait to hear 2 hours of dry ramblings about the history of vanilla for the 379th time
>>583084413horde was built after the alliance with mainly convenience in mind, so they got barrens where their green asses are safe
GET FUCKED MAGESISSIES
>>583084493>>583084645>250k views in 6 hoursto be fair, I would be grifting hard like this if I could too
>>583084228who even still watches this cryboomer?
>>583084756Stonetalon is pvp flagged, but alliance rarely go there.
>>583084784good shit
>>583084358Same with frost nova, no reason to use past rank 1
Das bis
>>583084907Stonetalon is a normal contested zone with Alliance flightpath, that's different from Wetlands/Duskwood/Redridge
>>583083417Downranking always reduced the total spellpower added, adding it to the tooltip just helps clarify it. But reducing the proc chance is new as far as I know, and is pretty significant especially for mage and shaman since they won't be able to fish for clearcasts anymore.
Honestly they should just delete mages from the game and give the ability to make food and water to paladins.Rogues too desu, we need stealth Paladins
>>583085107stop posting this faggots face all the time
A team of 5 people took to the streets to ask random citizens a simple conundrum. What would you rather play, ascension or retailclone? They asked a man walking down the street and he replied “ughhh… my stomachs in so much pain”. This was quickly cut from the finished product. The next person they asked had a lively demeaner and he said “fuck off.”. They asked a woman too, and she replied “uhhhh what’s the deal with proprietary software liscensing agreements? Don’t those things return to the public stratosphere after a set amount of time, as keeping ownership over works of fiction is retarded conceptually?”. This woman was quickly punched in her face and beaten within an inch of her life for questioning blizzard, who has gained its own real army with real tanks and helicopters and they’re literally actually owned by blizzard. They asked a 4th guy and he went “fuck em, fuck those Blizz dogs they’re fuckin squeezing me dry those fuckin mufuckas fuckem straight in the ass playa aahhhaaaa” then this man legally lit up and we all smoked up too.
>>583085028further proof that clothies are all women and belong in the kitchen
My considerations for Forever main:>Forsaken Male Ret Paladin>Orc Male Enhance Shaman>Orc Male Survival Hunter>Troll Male Arms/Fury Warrior>Night Elf Male RogueStill theory crafting more potential Alliance mains. I will only play 1 character for now.
>>583084584Their IP, cope
get him frog the toad
>>583085221for now and only because a jewish lawyer says so
is this something? idk I just looked at whatever improved or was related to crit damage and picked that.
>>583085074But its a zone where only horde low levels go to level. Redridge MOUNTAINS - contested Stonetalon MOUNTAINS - contested surely you see this was an intentional mirror. I think you go to both zones at around level 18 too.
>>583085198>Forsaken Male Ret Paladin>theory crafting
when is the free beta pass?
>>583085509Never
>>583085593then why cant they release the game now? i wanna play
>>583085509
My considerations for Forever main:>Forsaken Female Fury Warrior>Night Elf Female Prot Warrior>Gnome Male Arms Warrior >Gnome Female Prot Warrior>Troll Female Fury Warrior>Gnome Female Arms Warrior>Tauren Female Prot WarriorStill theory crafting more potential warrior mains. I will only play 1 toon for now.
>>583085659Because they got to milk the paypigs
>sit down at my computer desk>try to open my mmo pvp game>remember they closed ascension >try to pvp on retail and remember why I wasn’t doing that Well blizz. Youve won this round. Until the next round.
i mean, yeah, Forever basically belongs to Paladins. ret and prot in particular. it's just our time, y'know? i was forced to heal for 20 years and now it's my turn to be the best in the game and warriors can eat shit, quite frankly. i dont care. i will be top dps as ret and the main raid tank and you can fuck off to era if you dnt like it.Aggrend is a paladin main so you just know he's gonna do what needs to be done.
>we not going to add classes!!!!!!!!!!!>instead we're just going to shit on the classes you've played for 20 years and make literally everyone upset!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!forever is DoA, I'm telling you, this shit is unsalvageablefor forever to work they needed to be much more ambitions and add much more to the game so that everyone gets the feeling that it's a new fresh perspectiveinstead the fucking game is LITERALLY just a fucking balance patch on a 22 years old gamethere is a reason they would never do a balance patch for starcraft brood war and it's because they know that that would only upset the people that play the game, it's the same exact situation herethey can pay all the viewbots they want, this game is going to be dead in 1 or 2 months
>>583085380you literally get a quest to go there from ashenvale as alliance around lvl 20I did a lot of wpvp there when anniversary released with my lvl 20 or so alliance warrior and I sure as fuck wasn't alone, no idea where you got that no low lvl alliance goes there ever
>>583084228What are these 55 minutes about
Okay honestly I have no idea how you mage guys build your character all of these talents are genuinely good in the frost tree I'd take all of them if I could. Can I just do that?
>>583085509I got a free key. Say nate higger rest in peace and I'll share
Why didn't they buff me back? What the fuck is their problem?
>>583085734>i mean, yeah, Forever basically belongs to Paladins. ret and prot in particular. it's just our time, y'know? i was forced to heal for 20 years and now it's my turn to be the best in the game and warriors can eat shit, quite frankly. i dont care. i will be top dps as ret and the main raid tank and you can fuck off to era if you dnt like it.Aggrend is a paladin main so you just know he's gonna do what needs to be done.
>warriors and mages pissing their pantsjust go play era if you want to be the broken dps classes :^)
>>583084842me
>>583085659Yeah they actually raided ascension to close it down then they stole all that guys work and charged a box price for forever beta and all the people who were on ascension are literally scared of blizzard who uses armed violent incursions to delete wow private servers that gain popularity. And forever literally looks like a worse tbc, like I dunno. I’ve been shooting up meth constantly into my balls and im fucking paranoid as shit of demon blizzard coming for warmane next and it’ll just keep attacking anything that develops a better product free of charge for 25 year old 3D models.
>>583085780so if anything Horde get a zone where more pvp happens. Horde have to no reason to go to Redridge ever except to grief. what was the complaint again? Horde is more convenient or something? Seems we've disproved this aspect of alliance delusion, but im sure you'll just move onto the next cope.
>>583085714>>Forsaken Female Fury Warriorthe animations are cool, they do a front flip on a lot of their attacks
>>583085940this wojak should be brown
bruh wtf it so slow man it should be at least 10mb/s
>>583086028the flip gets old very fast.
>>583085972>woyers got their rage omegabuffed AND talent reworked in new patchwe won (again)
>>583083016Still seething, huhlol
There's already a level 28
>>583086017you can just stay in the barrens and avoid wpvp well into mid 20s, as many hordefags do, that's the pointyou don't have to go to stonetalon at all, especially if you mix barrens with silverpine
>>583086294silverpine sucks and is not convenient at all. >long ass runs >roaming elites to fuck you over >quests are all over the place in level range and location. I go there on undead toons just for flavor but damn that zone sucks and is unfinished as a level hub.
>>583084676Guns and violence is the only system maintaining other forms of property as well.
>>583083687NOPE
turtlewow was better than forever
>>583084676> Copyrighting isn’t a real thing that anyone with a brain holds with high regard.It is to people that actually matter, in other words: not you and your troonserver friends.
>>583086245It’s actually like cartoon villain tier what they just did. Im just enjoying it too much, thats literally actually pretty insane when you think about it. Just imagine planning this out it was literally like a grand heist or something of the gaming community and they tried to profit extra too. Blizzdrones just actually don’t have any thoughts in their heads I guess and they’ll just eat whatever shit is served to them.
when will wow add the sawians from casualties: unknown
The thread is in a lull because all the mage faggots that were still content and watching everyone else get fucked, just got butt fucked hard in the last two hours with the changes to spell down ranking giving them shorter cast times and the removal of spell effects, that fundamentally changes mage gameplayNow they're crying and saying the game is no longer classic + but retail - all over the WoW social medias and forums, absolute magepocalypse
>>583086475Not really. If somebody has a more efficient way to grow potatoes, and the guy who owns the valuable potato land says no. That guy might disappear over night or accidentally commit suicide to 3 shots into the back of the head. Guns don’t actually protect property it only protects the guy who pays the guy with the gun. And he’s not gonna hold his own gun either because he can just pay you to do it.
give it to me Straight broze. is this gonna be watered down like retail?
wow turds are so sad, all they can think of is classic or retail, complete retarded black and white brain, that's why there are so many asmonroaches playing this shit game, it's meant for dumb, near-retarded people
>>583086905Fuck off back to retail with your gay dress-up faggot simulator.
I'll give it to you straightAsmon is rolling PvPframes are capped at 140Nate Higger rest in peace
>>583086847beta is such a catastrophe that they'll have to delay it
>>583085362imp scorch is a personal buff now so you can't rely on someone else doing it for youalso there's no way it's better than this. critical mass + firepower > winter's chill
>>583086847It's still classic but they are changing shit. It does start to "feel" like too many changes desu. Seeing todays patch makes think it's pointless to guess and only judge the final release product.
>>583086557Half of wow forever is fags talking about streamers lol. Troonserver insults isn’t really doing the job. Nah ascension should still be up. Blizz is getting in the way of progress due to their own greedy nature. MMO as a genre has experienced immense conglomerate megacorp suffocation due to the value of polygons. And this suffocation needs a break like sheesh, what the fuck is even happening. Imagine being blizzard and drawing gay elves in their Christian propaganda manual.
If they are "fixing" rage and allowing casters to regenerate mana twice as fast, the least they could do is have combo points stay on the Rogue.
>>583076994just a dumb thing
>>583087002Sodagay said he's going pve
I hit level 23 and logged off. Paladin tanking is doing fine. I have all month to hit 30. I'm testing the game if its truly about the journey to 60 rather than racing to it.
>>583087382Awoooga
>>583086847it's an abortion of a game, they wanted to cater to classic nochanges retarded mongoloids that literally already killed their own servers and they'll kill forever still in the womb because 1) every tiny change they make upsets everyone, so classic turds are always upset and 2) they are not making enough changes to bring in new people which means they are re-releasing a piece of shit game from 22 years ago with a small balance patch and literally no new player wants to play that, it has no future at all in future, it'll be worse than SoD
Private server faggots still mad they lost all the money they spent on p2w shit
Wasnt quest/dungeon rewards being too good at early levels one of the bigger doomer sticking points? Seems like its better now
>>583086017Horde have safe zone zeppelins. You cannot camp them like hordeniggers can do in menethil.SM is located next to a fucking capital city in a safe zone and is a very important dungeon. If you want to argue gnomeregan, Horde have a fucking teleport and no one does that fucking place anyway.
90% of you faggots in here don't even have beta access, me included. I tired of your doomerisms.
>>583087669You keep licking that Blizzard boot
>>583087625trannies slowly realize this game is meant to attract an older playerbase which blizzard lost and not be wow 2: barbie dream house extreme.Retail is the game for you people, This game is being made for the audience which you hate but blizzard wants our money, they already have yours on lock. time for you to fuck off. The sooner you realize it the better.
>>583087783can't people just buy the beta with retail gold?
>>583087129>giving up blast wave for 2% fire damagego 3/5 fire power instead so you can use one of the most fun abilities in the game
>>583087902I don't think so, idk.
>>583087783>I'm poor so everyone else must be tooBut yes doomers are sad
>>583087783It’s a shit level capped beta with zero endgame. Theyve tricked retards into farming deadmines like we’re on xbox lives first hit mmo. Honestly the game looks fine I guess, totally fine. Thats why I actually didn’t buy the beta access despite MMOs being like my favorite game. Thats weird huh.
>>583087759I dont want to argue you about anything. You're clearly set in your ways and dedicated to complaining which is the core allyfag experience. I'll just look forward to killing you in AV. The sooner you give up the sooner I collect my points.
>blizzard confirms rogues will be the best single target dpswtf why??? they were already top tier in vanilla. meanwhile ret was a literal joke and meme tier. ret should be top dps for once is it that fucking hard. WHY must a class that was already op in vanilla also be op in forever we want something different not the same old boring era shit fuck you
>>583087394clip or it didn't happen
>>583088051>tricked there was no trick. WoW addicts and parasocial fagots do this of their own free will.
>>583088121shut down your discord again. it worked once, maybe itll work again.
is my game fucked or can you not sort the AH item listing by ilvl any more?
What do you even do if you get banned just get another code?
>>583087759hordecucks are used to blizzard handouts since classic, they have no arguments except either pretending to be smug or autistic screeching
>>583088730are you waiting for instructions from your StreamerGOD or some shit? do whatever you want
>>583088660sorry claude messed that one up
>>583087759oh yeah, horde have always had an advantage. I didnt see it until I leveled both factions.
>>583087859nta but the greyed out shop scares mei just want to play this game like the boomer i am and be left alone of any FOMO bullshit
aion 2 won
more like aion whoLOL
>NO SAAAR YOU WILL JOIN OLYMPUSS, WE HAVE BOBS VAGENE
more like aion poo
>>583089063JOIN OLYMPUSBUY THE TSHIRT
ziqo is already 26
>>583088934Won what, the achievement of being forgotten a day after launch?
shadow priest, enh shaman, or mage at launch?
>>583087759They did this intentionally because early testing indicated horde would be horribly outnumbered but dumb niggers still like to pretend it never happened
>>583088787The argument is pointless as crybabies (alliance) will just move the goal post. They have a victim mentality despite being blizzards favorite faction. Horde by blizzards own admission was unfinished in vanilla. Somehow unfinished means you're the favorite faction, lol. Bunch of gay crybabies who need to play "pretty" characters and they have been exactly that for 20+ YEARS now. You're like 40 and repeating the same victimhood complex in a VIDEO GAME as you had in your youth lol. You so are so believably gay the only thing left to do is take pleasure in your suffering.
>>583089235which one has the races which you find cool?
>>583085940Making that girly dress the BiS item for healing paladins had to be some kind of act of spite by the original devs. Most robes in the game just look like robes, not fucking slinky little dresses.
>>583089063>Sydney Sweenysjugshow did that one squeeze by the good boi police
>>583089441Vanilla Paladin was specifically designed to be a spiteful reaction to how good Paladins were in EQ.
>>583089143
>>583089184There are 4 level 28's on horde PvP.
>>583089456the left hate her so its ok
>>583089143>AI generated picture kek
dead threadbecause everyone is having fun
>>583089658fresh vnd fashy>>583089658
