MY PEOPLE ARE DIVIDED

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The online is complete dogshit

I want 9 to double down on character writing, I want PA to make me become REALLY attached to them, maybe even give me in-game choices that end up deepening my connections with them as we complete more and more sorties together and then I want to see them suffer the same faith that my enemies do in every single AC game. I want the radio go nuts, I wanna see their portraits go "OFFLINE", one by one.
Kinda getting tired of this trope where none of the guys you get attached to die but it's usually the one(s) you care about the least. These are wars goddammit. Coster should've been placing flowers at Tasha's grave at the end of the game. Practically everyone should've been dead, save for a couple of supporting characters that YOU DON'T EVEN EXPECT TO BE ALIVE BY MISSION 27 or something.

>>583150368
THE NATIONS ONCE UNITED, DIVIDED
(HEAVEN KNOWS WHO TO SIDE WITH)

>>583150052
>>583149578
If I suspend my belief any further it'll be like the space elevator,only held up by (lack of) gravity

Just sent an invite to the squadron, is there any backup squadron if that one fills up? I saw it was at like 45/50

>YOUNG
>UPSTART
>(chief executive) OFFICERS

Staying back to fight off all the shadows was the highlight of the campaign for me i think. M28 or whichever with the mass bomber formation was neat but didnt really get me. Was neat having "remember these dickheads from 20 missions ago?" but the mission itself just felt like powerwashing a window over and over until mr ecm shows up
I might have ace combat fatigue bros..

>>583151006
The only thing I really didn't like about it was having to still go for the bombers instead of dogfighting the entire time

>>583151006
>Luftwaffe vs the USA circa 1944 scenario
Was definitely not on my bingo card

>>583150486
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYqwHVNnSfo

Alternatively, they could make a sequel with the best wingbros a nugget could ask for, have everyone survive again and be back home by Christmas to crack a few bears after cleaning up the latest superweapon.

Is 7 really better? I haven't played 7 or 8 so which should i get?

>>583151582
7

>>583151549
I want an ace combat warship game

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Day 3 of bitching about the abhorrently low fov and no fucking slider.

>>583151582
What have you played and what did you prefer
8 genuinely has 5-7 "move the plot forward missions" that are worst case scenario 4 minute long missions

>>583151582
They're charging $60 for 7. I'm not sure if it's worth it now that 8 is practically priced the same.

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Is there an imgur album or something with all the emblems in the series?

>>583151582
8 is marginally better than 7 due to not having 100 rewrites but ue5 drags it down. Get 7 and if you like it and dont mind needing 140gb for a game get 8 on sale or pirate, i regret paying full price

>>583150554
They literally explain that there's bits at the top letting it hang

>>583151712
I think i only played 5 like 20 years ago on my ps2 but i remember nothing. Just that the last boss had a crazy laser weapon

>>583151582
7 goes on sale for very cheap pretty frequently so I would wait for a sale to get it

>>583151582
8 is better but 7 goes on sale for way cheaper
7 will help you appreciate 8 a little more too

>>583151582
I'm not sure if I can stomach a third run of AC8's campaign on short notice (cleared multiroles-only) for the medal. It's great fun don't get me wrong, but 30 missions is honest bloat-tier and the campaign kinda overstays it's welcome.

if you ignore the narrative entirely, 7 has a better overall campaign, especially if you factor in the overall pacing. Rocky Island 1 and 2 was a damn slog 2nd time round, I have no idea why they're separate missions.

>>583150464
>Be pixy
>Shoot in your general direction
>kills you in the middle of a full speed g turn

Just requested to join the 404th. Haven't really done shit in ACO yet but you'll recognize me if you were in 2/3 Sendoff Shootouts.

Currently only finished stage 4 and looking at the internet...

Why is it such a huge trend for people to post botched landings? Also, some say Sotoan war chant has become stuck in their minds, like I guess its meant to be intimidating but why does it seem some people think its a dinner bell

DEALER DEALER
MORE SOTOAN TRAINEES PLEASE

Weird pricing across certain regions on 7, considering some of those regions don't actually get to enjoy the same price reduction on 8. I don't understand what logic bumco follows when they set those prices.

Didn't expect for the FA-36 to get the Gelgoog treatment.

You didn't beat the game if you didn't do a su-25sm only run btw.

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Sotoa would have won the war if they just mass produced these

>>583151582
People are still in the honeymoon period so the recency bias is still there.

7 has better pacing, isn't too long and has better weapon variety (where campaign TLS and PLSL? Even endgame planes don't stock them) even at their launch versions.

Go with 7, otherwise get Project Wingman instead if there's aren't any discounts.

>>583152941
I suspect being extremely broke FCU instead of being the rich Osea is why you dont get cool laser beam weaponry

why was sotoan landbattleship #2 at stonehenge and why did nothing come of it?

>>583152941
A little ironic talking about PLSL adding to weapon variety when it made every other weapon redundant
I enjoy PLSL too and would like more variety but it was always going to be the first on the chopping block

>>583153090
Mogging the Eruseans. Also probably a bait to throw off the fact they were aiming for the elevator

>>583151582
i think 8 is better than 7 though recency bias
if you're gonna play both, play 7 first then 8
be a real gangster and play ac 4,5,0 before playing 7

Play 450 first
Then play 7
THEN play 3 to get accustomed with the physical model of a flying shitbrick house
THEN play 8

You need to play Ace Combat 6.

>>583152941
>isn't too long
In what fucking world is this a legitimate complaint?

>>583152941
Don't get project wingman, it sucks and doesn't understand what made Ace Combat what it is. Below even that if a ski nsuit.

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>>583153291
You forgot about 1. And 2. And 3. And 6. And X. And AH. And the anime. And the radio drama. And the manga. And Sky Crawlers. And the live action short series Zero Hour. And the stageplay. And the porn parody.

>>583153215
What the fuck even is this argument? Just don't use the PLSL then. No one's fault you're a meta slave, but it sure would be nice to use the railgun or the lasers as soon as you get to the F-15s or the Russian equivalents.

>>583153540
What porn parody

We got the X-49 and XFA-36 predecessors? Very cool PA, but where the FUCK is the Aurora

>>583153090
feint before the rush for the space elevator, maybe they also wanted to see if it was usable but even the surviving gun has been sitting for 10 years and Stonehenge itself is like 35 years old at this point

Someone here posted about a Call of Duty stealth FPS segment being in the game, and I gotta say, I was a little disappointed that it never actually materialised
Would be fun if PA tried it again after that Sapin game that never happened, though my ideal version where they just do all the greatest hits (ie playing as Bravo during the Megalith assault) would never happen

>>583153456
Do I need to play 6 to understand 7 and 8?

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>>583153540
>And the porn parody
What porn parody? Can't wait to tell my son about this.

>>583153583
Its called "Fox 2'ing this Nuggets pussy" its two hours long.

>>583153582
>Don't use it!
Ah, weapon variety

>>583153663
In general you dont really need to play any previous entries to understand any entry. But it is nice to know for understanding the overaching lore

>>583153663
Not at all, but it's good

FUCK WE WERE SO CLOSE TO 50K

FSMs should just be a thing at any speed not just sub500

>>583153663
6 is almost completely removed from the rest of the numbered games, so no

>>583153501
>Expo City
>Rocky 1
>Rocky 2
>filler mission
>Megafloat

These missions are practically back to back and are a fucking slog

>>583154037
Retard

>>583153985
I closed my game, sorry

I will legitimately suck know dry if they were to bring back the main base assault mode from Assault Horizon. That was the best thing to come from that game and it was just so much fun

>>583153663
6 is surprisingly isolated from world affairs other than Estovakia getting disproportionately fucked by Ulysses which was the last time they did this before the AC2 remake turned everything into a Belkan conspiracy

>>583153663
Do NOT play 6 if you ever want to play 8. 8 is basically 6 but bigger and worse.

>>583153801
>meme on AI shitters with PLSL
>that was fun, time to use something else next mission

Not a hard concept to wrap around, but somehow even having more options is bad.

Just how much newcomer attention is AC getting anyway?

>>583154037
>Fun annihilation missions back to back
The only time this kind of thing wore me out was Project Wingman having 20 of them

>>583154267
Some but I doubt the retention rate is high.

>>583154262
PLSLs are so good that there is no reason to use literally anything else

>>583154395
>meta slave

way to out yourself as an online Morgan shitter online

>>583154604
>deflecting and intentionally not addressing the issue
Kill yourself you fucking amoeba.

>>583154262
I even said I liked PLSL and more weapons at the start, PLSL is just a bad example of something worth bringing back because of its strengths, as novel as it is to have little lasers instead of big ones
I'm sure it will come back later, but it's pretty obvious why it got the cut initially

PLSLs made 7 hella easy and fun

>AC5
>press a direction on Dpad
>wingmen say they'll help out but nothing actually happens

>AC6
>press up on Dpad
>Shamrock deletes a plane with the railgun
>hold up on DPAD
> the whole airforce/navy/army delete multiple targets on the map

>AC8
>same shit as AC5 except there's a tick by your target(s) this time round

I think people vastly overrate the usefulness of your Wingmen in 8. I mean sure sometimes they do kill shit, but I'd kill shit much faster anyway so what the fuck is the point

The bullets being stronger and having more reach in 8 felt like a nice touch considering a lack of PLSL, I was able to pull off quite a lot of hits I wasn't expecting this time around, especially during Mission 15

>>583155178
They end up being slightly useful for 30 seconds once you give them morgan nukes and enable SP

>>583154870
Except that they could have just rebalanced it as opposed to just removing it entirely.

Why are you already assuming that AC8's hypothethical PLSL would perform exactly as 7's?

>>583155178
Kate killed Shadow 22 for me

Well, I had to land the killing blow with the gun, but she did all the damage while i just dragged him behind me

AC8 has the best normal wingmen commands in the series, but it's still not as useful as the Marigold KILLING ALL THE INVADERS when you hold up in AC6

>>583151915
>Just that the last boss had a crazy laser weapon
That was not 5
Literally no enemy in 5 shoots lasers at you

>>583155178
Sometimes I'm busy killing shit and they kill shit on their own that I was going to get to but didn't
I'm surprised how bloodthirsty they were during Expo City
Also sometimes cover is nice, enemies react to them so not having as much noise in my ear is nice

>>583155178
they're decent at hitting stuff but they don't double tap fast enough, that was what made Pixy useful in 0

>>583155498
>Arkbird

>>583154794
>not denying he's a shitter

go dance with the angels, mister

>>583153540
>There is no official anime adaptation of the Ace Combat video game franchise. However, the series is widely noted for its anime-styled plots, dramatic character arcs, and "shonen" narrative structures, with many fans and critics describing the games as feeling like interactive anime.

can i get a quick rundown on the multiplayer, buddies?

>>583155907
if ace combat were to get an anime who would (you) want to animate it

>>583155469
>Why are you already assuming that AC8's hypothethical PLSL would perform exactly as 7's?
Because it's an entirely different conversation, same way you assumed I assumed that or you could assume they wouldn't
And in the timeline where they were in the game and rebalanced we'd be arguing about whether the rebalance was necessary because people would inevitably bitch that it happened
I miss LWSM and I look forward to it being in more games, too

>>583156161
I want to say the same people who did Yukikaze, but RIP Gonzo

>>583156161
in this day and age? nobody. I don't even want an anime of it. It would be full of 3d slop for the planes and action scenes because unfortunately its not the 80s and 90s anymore
I'd rather lucid dream of a patlabor-esque ace combat anime

>>583156129
Remember how Infinity had a really shitty Morgan early on that everyone could get?
They did it again but it's stronger now

>>583156129
Day 1 dead on arrival, turns out giving everyone endgame planes without performance or tier balance isn't the brightest idea.

>>583155178
Well wingmen have their moments of utility, in the second part of the land battleship battle they managed to quickly suppress the AA guns more than oncw

>>583155775
>you didn't address my strawman that means I'm right
Go away, retard.

>>583156257
Your retard ass is making this more complicated than it needs to be. I just want more shit to shoot with. Even if we ignore the PLSL entirely, the crux of the topic is limited weapon variety, and we still don't have any access to the railgun or TLS in launch campaign.

Wasn't expecting much from Co-op warfare, but man is it shit. Definitely just going to play it for daily challenges and nothing else.

>>583156638
hey FAGGOT
i am the one who is RIGHT
and you are the one who is WRONG

>>583156161
Realistically? Tsutomu Mizushima. Closest thing to a real planefucker who would bother.

Anno and Miyazaki are also planefuckers but Anno is too busy remaking his childhood toku and Miyazaki is too much of a self-inspirational oopback plus he's too busy being an old man and yelling at cloud.

the one thing I like about the Morgan is that we finally get the -02 instead of -01 since it can equip both weapons at the same time, looks more complete that way
think this is the first time that we get the second unit in the series

>>583156638
Yes, I didn't address your strawmen

>>583156161
I gotta be honest with you. Edgerunners is the only episodic anime I've ever watched.

>series obviously inspired by Area 88
>want more 3rd gen fighters? How about four Hornets instead
honestly shocked they cut down the Flankers from 7 but they'll probably just be battlepass bait

>>583156728
I agreed from the start, I just took issue with the PLSL example, halfheartedly at that
>Even if we ignore the PLSL entirely
There we go

Dealer is the smartest AWACS in the entire series for mission 20 alone.
>If I make the entire enemy squadron a mission target and let the mute autist loose at them we just win

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>Mission 28
>bro we got 1000 bogeys coming at us
>cmon bro we gotta sortie RIGHT NOW

Don't care, I will not sortie if my baby isn't looking her best.

>>583157668
>What do you think, it's a terrible plan right?
>NO

PLSL is like a MGP but faster and with more range, its intrinsically a broken weapon.

>>583157668
Hard to think of a funnier AWACS moment then that

Why can't i use my fucking F-15E twice in a row after grinding so much for it? Why can i only use the F-18? Fuck this fucking game 7 was so much better.

Okay, but did Mission 28 manage to top up Cold War?

>>583155178
You are so wrong it's not even funny, the wingmen in 8 are one step down from 6's Allied Support if you set them to Attack.
There is a voice line for Tasha downing a Shadow on mission 28, ask me how I know.

>>583157768
But it's fun

>>583157826
>get told there are moments when you might have to use carrier aircraft
your fault for not beelining the Su-33

The lack of gun pods on some of the later planes is kinda lame

>>583153663
AC6 is almost entirely disconnected from every other AC game; playing it will add nothing to 7 and slightly increase your enjoyment of a single line in 8’s final mission.

You should play 4 and 5 though; and once you’ve done those there’s no reason not to play Zero

>>583157826
The FCU didn't have Avril with them making every plane carrier-capable, pls understand

>>583157937
That I won't deny

Man the different special skins all look like shit. Thank God we can use the MP skins as well.

>>583157668
they've all been doing it, he just said it

>>583158025
I'm still kind of shocked Avril never got even a mention in 8
I was half expecting Jenkins to pull out a "my mentor always called me a dumbass" or something, but then Dealer does his thing with the XO, and fucking Chaser girl has her line about singing, like damn man

>>583157916
If you can't consistently two-tap your targets I dunno what to say to you buddy, cos your wingmen most definitely aren't tapping theirs.

anyone flown through the megafloat with mgps like you would do in fleet destruction?

>>583157668
Sky Eye has been doing it ever since Katina at least

>>583158281
>LRSSG canonically flies the F-15C in Fleet Destruction

No i did it with the PLSL

>>583157893
No. Say what you will about the rest of Project Wingman but that mission would easily be in the top 10 of all Ace Combat missions if it were part of the series.

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>Go online
>Load into Farbanti
>First Flight starts playing

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>>583159027
>Waiapolo Mountains
>Ice Cage.wav

Anyone done the ace on mission 29? I flew under some highway bridges I found, but nothing seemed to spawn.

>mission 18
are we playing Asteroids with the rockets now?

>>583159495
Get your practice in now

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>the only mid tier multiroles with good specials are euroid d*ltas and the berkut

How do I change the fov in 8?

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Pleasantly surprised with the performance. My R5 5600/5060Ti runs it at a smooth 60fps on High settings, though most likely thanks to DLSS lole.

>>583151582
8 is WAY better than 7 in every aspect, bar the Alicorn DLC missions (and we dont have a DLC here yet)
It's only peak mutt hours and they must be contrarians
AC8 is in the top 3 of all the ACs ever made

>>583151582
I replayed 7 to derust for 8 and 8 is much better.

Does the game ever explain to you how to do a Post Stall Manuever or G turn or does it expect you to just know.

>>583160103
16gb version?

>>583160463
There are High G tutorials but PSMs are something you have to figure out on your own

>>583160463
>PSM tutorial
I don't think 7 ever did.

>>583160463
PSMs are a hidden mechanic just like in 7.

>>583160463
It explains high G turns but not PSMs

>>583160463
I still ahve no clue, and consdering there's an acivement for it with an ~1% aqusition rate. not many people do.

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>>583159214
Figured it out, one of the downtown bridges during the final phase did the trick. Don't like the skin though.

>>583160504
Obviously, 8GB is a scam

>>583160463
the first time I did it was on accident just like 7, it's never explained

>>583151582
It's always and only ZERO-IQ tards that shit on every other ace combat in the franchise that is not "muh le buddy story i just want to pewpew".

AC0 is great (i'd say top5) but it has spawned so many obnoxious niggers

This said, AC8 is great. It's the love son of AC5+AC6 with influences by all the other main games.

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whenever the shadows showed up all I could think of was this

>>583159965
The F-15J is the best mid tier multirole tho

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>actually manipulate the stick in the cockpit
>you will never see it unless you look down because the fov is so low

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Man, you buddies weren't kidding when you said no one knows how to fight Chandelier. I'm pretty sure I personally killed 75% of the Cooling Units and I was one of only two pilots to fly down the barrel. MGP/UGB Phantom though.

Someone mentioned it's possible to prevent Jackpot 9's death in Mission 8, do you just have to kill everything in their general vicinity to make that happen, or what?
It's pretty cool to see the different dialogue you can trigger on a second playthrough though, like in Mission 6, if you're fast enough, you can intercept the enemies on Tasha instead of Coster.

>>583161295
my problem with chandelier is that I'd like to fly down the barrel but I'm pretty much constantly on "stop the Chandelier from shooting" duty because no one else will destroy its munition as its reloading

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>>583161420
Yeah those are pretty cool, and I found out another one.
In Mission 16, if you sink the third ship before it launches the drones, you'll get an unique dialogue options in which the sailors curse you and in their last moments manage to launch the drones from the sinking ship

>>583161242
Pedals too

>>583161420
Leave the veteran leader alive during Expo City, kill everyone else

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>most people in multiplayer are just flying Morgans
where's the fucking honor! Stop paying it win and play the hand you're dealt!!

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>>583161045
I imagine them letting go of their sticks to clap their hands in sync and I can't help but smile.

shadow 22 is such an obnoxious retard.
i don't think there was a worst ace in the series.
even the AC7 oldfag was better even if he barely said anything

Does anyone else get hard as fuck while playing and use their cock like a flightstick?

>>583162334
yeah especially on the tunnel run into anons mom mission

>>583161812
Yea, which is funny because you manipulate the pedals in 7 but not the stick. Just annoying as fuck to add the stick manipulation but make it so you'll almost never see it. Why is PA allergic to giving us an fov slider for both third and first person?

>>583160335
>8 is WAY better than 7 in every aspect
it's strange to me how nobody seems to talk about how many bad/boring missions 7 has but they have no problem saying the same thing about 5

>>583163190
7 doesn't have anythings as egregious to replay as the pops mission

>>583163190
It's usually the only thing people talk about with 7, I see "muh gimmick missions" pretty frequently

I do not like PSM in the slightest in this game, the window to activate it between the brake/throttle combo feels asininely tight compared to 7. If you're even slightly off on pressing both, it doesn't engage.

>>583163190
Because 7 has better set pieces, music direction and or cinematography.

Faceless Soldier can be a pain in the ass but ultimately culminates in a sweet view of Spare Squadron in formation while "Faceless Soldier" (the track) plays.

Bunker Buster SHOULD have been a boring-ass mission, except they had you bunkering busters alongside "Magic Spear 1"

5 and 8 don't have anything equivalent, not even on Mission 28 when random yahoos you can barely remember from 20 missions prior join you for whatever reason.

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I love this franchise so much, and the fact that it's getting indie game numbers hurt the soul.

>>583161420
Never mind, I saw someone else do it, you just have to be really fast about clearing enemies out in general

>>583164102
Lot of people having performance issues.

The final mission was pretty lame but the part of the sub bull charging the endurance was cool

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>>583164102
7 years ago none of us even dared to dream of these numbers.

>>583164102
This is actually great for AC; 7 peaked at 13k

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Stop dooming faggots

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why is it telling me this when i have a good 300 gigs left of space?

>>583164102
The early access release meant we are never getting the true number.

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>chromatic aberration can't be turned off
Under an hour in probably going to refund

Can you actually land hits on Moon 11 when she first shows up?

>>583153706
The fact that he never died is probably the most shocking twist in any AC

>>583164373
UE5 is genuinely the worst fucking thing that has happened to gaming, fuck that garbage engine and every company for being gaslit into using it

>>583164346
why did you sponsor twitch streamers to promote the game instead of fans you dumb nugget!

>>583164347
Same situation, so I took it as they've set some hardcoded gap for reasons

>>583164347
>TL note: "space" means slots.
JSL translators, please understand

>>583164486
It's only going to get worse. Modern devs have no idea on how to create engines and the people who do are retiring or leaving the industry.

>>583155178
>Press cover
>Squad deletes the clealekeon

>Press cover
>Clean up the mega float with 2 minutes to spare
Basically if you press cover you now have 3 pairs of extra missiles buttering everything you fly over, so the faster your plane is the quicker you get to and delete your objectives, hell they even take out like 39% of missile locks

I thought it would just be the early jets, but even the endgame plane's feel so unresponsive now. Sigh.

>>583164484
Seriously this dude was a walking death flag. I 100% thought he was gonna bite it at the bird or something

>>583155757
Well it sure as fuck wasn't the last boss and it flying at the speed of "not very fast" wasn't crazy
But I guess it had a laser

>>583164416
Yes but it doesnt matter

>>583164547
>>583164641
it's what i was thinking
makes sense to have only a hard cap so you don't bloat your PC eventually but it's not even enough for all the single player missions

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>>583164670
>if only you know how bad things are about to become
UE4 was good, then UE5 was the DEI generation.
UE6 is the DEI generation in the Sr. positions.
Literally removing any form of coding in favor of blueprints and fortnite script

>>583164748
>do two circular loops under the first layer
>kill all the outer pillars in the first loop and inner ones in the second
>exploit or collateral via oil tanks to speed it up further

Not sure how cover is even relevant here, you could speedrun megafloat with just your machineguns alone

>>583164969
You forgot the fact that UE3 was also terrible

>>583157785
Ban calling trigger a dumbass for dying in the tunnel is pretty funny

like belkans, the only good sotoan is a dead sotoan.

What is it with LAAMs in multiplayer nobody ever seems to be able to dodge them at long range its so funny

>>583164373
mods will fix it

>island taking
>morale is fucked due to spear strike
I like to think it's canon that wings flew through the tunnel once from each hole, guns blazing, and that single handedly raised morale

>>583165226
Like I said, the cover command makes them peel like half the missiles off of you
Less time spent dodging is just eAsier

>>583165686
the
<< PC just flew into the tunnel! >>
<< The FUCK do you mean flew into the tunnel! >>
will never get old

>>583165528
It comes faster than you expect
Also it just has more time to lead and match your trajectory so I imagine it's exactly in sync with you by the time it travels max range

>>583165856
I just pop flares man, 4 is pretty generous. Sure, I'll acknowledge they're more useful than in 5, but people are still overselling their usefulness. Until they delete large swatches of enmies like the Emmerians do, it's all kinda eh. Nice to have I suppose, but never game-changing.

I didn't realize that the tunnel run to destroy the reactor is actually much easier if you don't blow up the pillars, interesting detail

>>583165686
Im so glad they keep putting optional tunnels in the games now so often and always have dialog for doing them.

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>>583164102
It's $69.99, it's demanding as fuck and it's not exactly that BIG of a franchise.
Unfortunately Steamdb doesn't let you filter by price range WITHOUT taking current discounts into consideration. I'd really like to filter by day1 price instead. But these are some of the games released at $39-69 price range this year.
Make what you will out of it.

>>583163854
Devs might have learned to finally give us two special weapons from Project Wingman, but they really should have copied its PSM too.

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Hortus Regis Alti > My Blue Sky Home > Times are Changing > Song of Wings >>>>>>>>>>>>> Everflow

>>583163534
i don't really get why people hate final option so much. not much happens, sure, but at least the geography of the area is pretty, the music is neat and you get to do some nice little tunnel runs. it's just a bit boring
transfer orders in 7 is so much worse than final option

>>583164046
>Because 7 has better set pieces, music direction and or cinematography.
mission set pieces... i think i'd agree but better music direction and cinematography is highly debatable
>Faceless Soldier can be a pain in the ass but ultimately culminates in a sweet view of Spare Squadron in formation while "Faceless Soldier" (the track) plays.
i don't think that little shot that lasts for a few seconds and the decent music makes up for how restrictive the gameplay is in that mission
>bunker buster
that was on okay mission

5's 2-3-4-5-6-7 great mission string alone puts it on equal terms with 7 but then you add in sea of chaos, ACES and the music that plays during the SOLG shootdown in the unsung war and i just don't see what 7 has left. i guess the DLC

>>583166358
I've reset some missions, and when I do I hit checkpoints 1-2 minutes faster on cover mode
If you don't see it I guess you're a badass, but my average ass can tell the difference

>>583166685
you're forgetting one of the best tracks in the game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6gVNCtNEr8

>>583166685
>Basically I don't care for what's popular
Lmao hipster (but seriously fuck popular slop)

7 just has better missions, this is facts. Trigger is a much better protagonist than schizo rex and the annoying faggot called literally COPE.

I do not like both Scramble and Emergency Sortie being some RNG selection process. I've been playing the online on and off since early release and not been selected once.

Why can't it just be after you do a set amount of Assault/Warfare missions?

I'm not a doomer retard but having completed 1 and 2/3 runs of the campaign I do have a serious nitpick.

Does anyone else feel like the planes are frustratingly slow compared to the scale of the map? The levels honestly don't "feel" that much bigger than 7 in terms of spectacle, but getting anywhere feels like it takes forever.

I just measured this and going from the second ground target group in Expo City to the resupply line takes 1 full minute out of your mission time, even in FA-36 at full afterburner with the acceleration and speed/acceleration parts slapped on. That's a decent chunk of time on a score attack mission when you could be killing things. Instead, you just hold down the afterburner and wait for 30 seconds in either direction waiting to play again. If that was a loading screen it would be considered ridiculous. The mission is still easy to S-rank but just sitting there is very annoying.

>>583166984
gr8 b8 m8 8/8

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>>583154259
This anon is 100% correct.
This is like a remastered 6 with a bit of 7 mixed in. A sort of 67 mishmash

This is the actual best track in 8
https://youtu.be/sBh9-T4CGRk

>>583166896
star-bound bird is fucking fantastic but it's not a theme
Comona is the home of godlike tracks

>>583167103
This mission filtered me and i dropped 6 because of it, should i try it again? It's so fucking hard i keep dying no matter what i do

>>583166763
I have my lazy moments. Some missions are honestly a huge drag on my 2nd play through, like Expo City, Rockies and 28. I always Restart Checkpoint after every interval for that free resupply.

>>583150183
I'm enjoying it so far like no shit, it's AC, but it feels a bit less varied than 7 was at this point, so far almost every mission has been based around bombing the ground, nothing on the level of the mission in 7 where you have to stay low under the SAM radar before popping up to shoot them

>>583166984
Cope literally makes sense on no level in anything he does and all his monologuing is fucking bullshit
I was about to think he was the one that crippled moon11 but lolno it's literally "I happen to be an expert on this subject" guy's wife or some shit like what the fuck is even the point
And that shit with the flowers? What the fuck was cope a nomad in sotoa but they have the same fucking indigienous looking ass flowers as in comona all about
None of that shit makes any sense and moon11 doesn't acknowledge cope at all so it just comes off as the ghost rambling it's fucking bizarre

>>583167053
all planes in 7 had absolutely ridiculous acceleration but I think they kind of overcorrected here, it feels a lot like how you took a long time to reach top speed in 4

>>583167034
>Why doesn't online make any sense
Japan lmao
>>583167053
100% it's like they tested the game in the darkstar

are we all just gonna ignore how camel riding nomads have a modern air force?

>>583167053
No, you're right. The mission design in 8 relies a bit too much on the GO OVER HERE NOW GO OVER THERE NOW GO INTERCEPT NEW BOGEYS AT THE OPPOSITE EDGE OF THE MAP NOW GO BACK OH GOD NOW YOUR ALLIES ARE UNDER ATTACK BACK WHERE YOU STARTED GO SUPPORT THEM.
You end up spending a lot of the campaign just flying between very separate clusters of enemies.

>>583166984
debatable.
I don't think 7 had better missions per se - just better squad interactions and character growth.
We saw Trigger's fall, earning mythic status, and eventual rise to a legendary hero. As well as people's character arc.

8 - ironically, has weaker squad arcs overall. I really didn't care for Coster's favorite band dying or Tasha pulling a Tomb Raider of feeling bad about shooting someone 1 mission and then just shooting everyone and giggling the following day

>>583167598
Yes

>king 1
PW reference?

I'm at mission 12 and it has become a slog for the last 2 missions, the story is going nowhere either. It's literally just war filler. When do the good missions start? And why is the music generic orchestra? Did the old ace combat music team get replaced? Even Assault horizon had better music

>>583167443
>Give all the late planes the good speed
>No parts or means to bring the lousier planes up to speed
>Late planes get more slots for more parts
>Early planes have different SPW variety
>Literally all the late planes have some qaam and ground pound option
What the fuck are these options

>>583167618
I also think that over time 8 will get a lot of comparisons with 8 because these maps give you target-rich environments but theres only so much you and Joker flight can do before you're forced to pick off targets one by one with missiles. In contrast, 6 gives you relatively huge reserves of SP weapons and the Emmerians are more than happy to delete enemies en masse for you

>>583167815
there's a lot of PW references, but I think that was just a new squad added in the Playing card themed FCU airforce

>>583167824
Kobayashi cooked in 7
In 8 it's like he spent all his brainpower on focusing on the lyrics musics
And the drop in overall quality shows

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>Japan loves it
Damn, they're usually so critical of everything. Even their own domestic IPs.

>>583167435
He's there to provide narrative insight into the Sotoans, especially Luna 11 who is one of the major antagonists. Consequently we understand more about them as an enemy faction than we did about the Eruseans in 7.

His memory is scrambled so he doesn't just spoil the story for you on mission 1.

More to the point why are people acting like 7 was a particularly strong entry out of the blue? It was basically a settled deal that it was a good game that fell short of its potential due to multiple rewrites and almost getting scrapped (also extremely bizarre translation decisions). I'm used to seeing that kind of contrarian revisionism on /v/ but not here.

>>583167618
Yep, and if there are enemies that can fail the mission for you by attacking something you need to protect, chances are they aren't even marked TGT after the AWACS tells you about them and you have to spot them manually.

Sometimes I just want to enjoy the game in a set space with set enemies and blow shit up. Why people seemed to think annihilation missions were such a great filter in AC7 is beyond me, and it's probably why we don't have more of them in AC8. AC4 remains the GOAT for just letting you enjoy the mechanics of the game without nagging.

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wtf was Bandai's goal making AC:O P2W?
At least make Premium Plane users have to pay for Premium gasoline so it's somewhat costly to use them and not a 1 purchase stomper

>>583168109
Not sure how many tracks Kobayashi had composed for 7 but apparently his role was even smaller this time around.

So we already hate 8? That was a quick honeymoon period.

>>583167435
anemones are a real flower and i think comona is on a similar latitude to sotoa

>>583168204
>on /v/
Maybe we're getting raided (stealthily)

>>583167598
The transition fucked up their land and now they want yours.

What is the use case for HCAAs; Why not anything else?

>>583167909
>two carrier planes in a row have HCAA/LACM combo, as does the Su-57
I know the LACM is stupidly strong but variety can be nice

Man, Baxter's death hit me harder than Chopper's

>>583167824
I unironically think Kobayashi and co. got too ahead of themselves no thanks to all the OPERA SINGER REACTS TO ACE COMBAT MUSIC vids and genuinely thought making orchestra heavy tracks was something they were peerless at.

Fuck that noise, just give me the good shit. I can appreaciate the classics vocal tracks like Agnus Dei, but it feels like the focus on vocal tracks this time round seem a bit excessive.

>>583168204
>7
Low budget and didnt over explain anything I didn't need to know
>It was a belkan psyop
I believe it, and the main antagonist has an elegantly simple motivation
Meanwhile 8
>Cope dies but also tells me shit all game
Just have him not be dead
>Narrative insight into the sotoans
I don't need him to tell me 22 and 11 are snooty self righteous hippocrites who pull the nomad card at the drop of a hat, they've spent all game raping everyone with 3:1numbers
All cope is is something that makes no sense, trying to help me make sense and he's just not necessary
Give me more internalizations of people im supposed to care about, namely the ones who aren't dead
And especially don't have them glaze cope when my only experience with him is he crashes, doesn't fire a shot, and has zero reason not to fire a shot
Like "oh my God I crippled the princess" and not "hey deus ex yuktobanian guy gives you everything you need to know anyways" then get the FUCK outta my head cope

>>583168381
Let's see
>Worse gameplay
>Worse missions
>Worse music
>Worse story
>Worse cast and support characters
>Worse main character
>Better graphics but worse performance by a ton
Yeah no, everyone will go back to 7 in a month.

>>583168587
Allows you to spam missiles like a bat out of hell. Especially against enemy aces or players. Stagger fire your standards and HCAA missiles. Don't just first 2x standard and 2x HCAA at once. You'll force a consistent stream to fuck over the enemy AI or keep the player off balance.

>Our economy rely on mercenaries like us
>Our economy rely on mercenaries like us
>Our economy rely on mercenaries like us
>Our economy rely on mercenaries like us
>Our economy rely on mercenaries like us
SHUT THE FUCK UP

Bumco or PA did kind of fuck up communicating:
>ACZ isn't being a separate thing
>List of supported HOTAS
I guess the idea was to cash-in on those preorders and then just issue an apology later.

I got to mission 7 in 8. Performance issues are my biggest complaint. It runs fine but the loading is a bit long. Even on my old decrepit machine the graphics look passable. I'm just glad I'm stuck with the same squadron this time. 7 got weird by having you and Count swap around too often. It did take some use to flying the aircraft around but I am biased after playing through 7 so much and PW too (especially flying the superplanes there that cut through the air like a knife through, well, air). I do have concerns that it may be a slog but I'm just glad I haven't run into any real gimmick levels, scripted horseshit boss fights and drone spam. But it sucks a trillion rotting dicks my planefu the YF-23 is going to be DLC. Fuck you PA.
>>583167598
Algeria has Felons. It's not that weird

>>583168204
>out of the blue

7 was always a strong entry, even if /aceg/ acts all tsun about it. The future of AC depended entirely on 7 delivering and it did. It ran on toasters and still had a decent campaign DESPITE reports on it being rushed.

>>583168381
If I were less jaded I would say it's because all the people that got the early access love the series and were singing its praises despite a number of shortcomings, and now that it's out to the masses there's more varied opinions. But since it's present day 4chan a bunch of it is just shitposting, like the guy baiting about AC7.

>>583168964
I see I am not the only one annoyed by this

>>583168743
>No late game MGP option
>No late game RKT option
No the SU33 is not late game, nobody @ me
>>583168381
No I don't hate 8, it's just the more I think about it, the less i wish they gave me stuff to think about (be vaguer like in 7 the mind can fill in the blanks)
Also literally not learning any lessons and reviving the lame shit from AH
>Like pseud DFM
Or
>A single enemy that flies like duckhunt and reminds me of the akula guy who was literally invincible except to DFM mode
Is not what I want to pretend contributed to my experience
>>583168765
I know Kobayashi for his soulcalibur shit
He should've kept cooking without outside input or influence

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>>583169208
It's a flawed game but it was a very needed shot in the arm and I still like it.

>>583168342
It's not pay2win
It's pay2 make everybody afk while you do all the work since end result is meaningless and Lord knows theres no point in playing just to get cock blocked, that's just not fun
>>583168413
Yeah but the way it gets used and framed youd think the photo and the flowers in comona would mean something

"DFM is good redpill" the Japanese have more respect for Assault Horizon than you by remembering their heritage and putting its features in a good game

how do I save multiplayer replays?

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>>583168746
Yeah, like a perfectly timed EWGF in davenport stadium
Speaking of I wonder what the strange real equivalent of Pakistan is

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sorry, it's kino

>>583169397
I didn't mind the not-DFM moments since they were really short

>>583168381
No, it's a relatively small population of/v/ermin who get their rocks off on trolling new releases. 8 isn't perfect but it's an immediate contender for top in the series.

If you see unusual or frivolous nitpicks being repeated aggressively and incessantly it's just tourists swarming like flies to something new. Example: that guy complaining that 7's campaign is better because it's shorter. Do not feed the trolls.

>>583163190
7 has a lot of missions that are annoying on a first time through (pipeline destruction, orders, last hope) but get better on replays since you can just learn where the targets are
5's low points are four horsemen (optional), final option, and solitaire and for some reason 7 & 8 copied solitaire and you can't speed them up all too much

>>583153540
Ace Combat X is so fucking good, I prefer it to the PS1 trilogy

>>583169987
Solitaire is kino, you people complain so much about all the slower missions that I think you just have ADHD

>>583169924
for me it's the repeated posting of the stupid PSM physics like it was any different in 7 when people were already flying backwards through tunnels

do people actually understand what the fuck is going on in AC8 or am i a brainlet

>>583169283
I got the early access
I think it has a lot of "different for the sake of being different" but somehow we have the audacity to bring back cinematic bullshit like DFM lite
Oh and genuinely retarded shit like invincible phases on enemies that allow you to actively shoot at and waste 20 ammo or whatever
Wheres the playtesting and polish?

>>583168381
We're being invaded by /v/ shitposters. Imagine unironically posting this >>583168882.

>>583170128
War never changes and shit

>>583170147
>Oh and genuinely retarded shit like invincible phases on enemies that allow you to actively shoot at and waste 20 ammo or whatever
4... 7...

>>583169872
Why not just have them not be there
Every one of them is so forced and specific it ruins replay
It's the DonnaB house in RE8 all over again

Do you think Tewy has to use diapers?

>>583169924
>immediate contender for too in the series

Almost had me taking you seriously. 8/8 bait post, got me to give you your (You).

The string of Expo City, Rocky 1 2, plus Megafloat are genuine slogfests once the honeymoon magic of a first playthrough over.

>>583170101
I like the prowler mission because it asks you to fly
There are genuinely missions that have you start on one corner. Initiaally tell you to fly to another corner, and then teehee actually tell you to fly to the other corner
And these missions have no more than 5 targets you need to deal with
That's fucking lame

>>583170417
>This string of great missions is a real slog
?????

>>583170157
Not a single song as good as daredevil btw

The only actual bad missions in 8 are 14 and 30, anything else is you being a nitpicking faggot.

>>583169991
ace combat X is one of the best in the series and also has Time Limit which is the funniest joke that an AC game that isn't Last Raven ever pulled on me

>>583170101
i don't like solitaire because it's followed by closure and having 2 missions on the exact same map makes it feel like more of a slog than it actually is, i think four horsemen is fine personally but the section in the beginning is an annoying time waster and ACES has the same problem with wasting a bunch of time doing nothing when the mission starts if you somehow die but THOUGHTS ENDLESS IN FLIIIIIIGHT DAY TURNS TOOOO NIIGHT redeems it

>>583155471
Giving your Wingmen a certain plane and then saying 'use SP' and watching red marks on the ground disappear is strangely satisfying

6.8/10 too many SAMs

>>583170128
AWWB electric boogaloo
>>583170248
Did 7 have 3 instances of this like 8 did?
Regardless it's not like that retroactively e makes the 3 any better
>It's always been this way, btw I hope you don't mind that the only innovation was a dogshit online mode and doing story elements that are different for the sake of being different

>>583170417
Do people genuinely not enjoy blow shit up missions? I don't understand.

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Did autisming the fuck out of 7 hone me or was 8 less challenging? went with elite from the getgo, and the only thing that pushed my flying a bit was shadow 22 and his goons, and mostly because they got plot flares/dodge (still one and done'd em though)
and moon 11 was fun but felt somewhere in between mihaly and the ravens in terms of how hard you have to push it to contend, but again a one and done scenario.

I can't even tell the difference between the first 8 missions, they're all at night and you bomb stuff on the ground
I really thought with the dlc in 7 they learned what the players wanted, those 3 missions were all 10/10s and the one who made them understood where ace combat shines the most
8 has good missions but so many short filler missions inbetween that you will never replay

>>583170814
Having two SPs is a game changer.

Is there any reason to hold onto Blueprints after rasing the level cap of a plane to 20; or can they be safely sold?

I don't wanna check /v/ but I'm reading this thread and I just want to know if there's an AC8 steamchart thread currently being played there.

>>583170720
The SAMs keeping me on my toes is good
It actually gives me an incentive to "waste" a missile for peace of mind

>>583170737
All 3 Mihaly fights have an invincible bullshit phase.

>>583170546
>/aceg/ loves back to back missions with ground-heavy targets now

Who are you trying to fool lmao

>>583170756
nta i enjoyed those missions as set pieces but no personally i much prefer air to air. annihilation for example is so fucking boring to me, there's little to no resistance. i really just want to dogfight and boss fights are the peak of ace combat for me (except scripted gimmick shit like wings of wax)

Am I ever going to not need ground based missiles/bombs in this? I wanna' dogfight

>>583170838
>they're all at night
there's literally only two that take place at night during the first 8 missions, you people are suffering under some sort of mass psychosis

>>583170814
That and as much as I intended to, my desire to go back and S rank everything on ace is waning hard, I played 7 back to front and did almost all I could or wanted to do in it, I felt desire to get better at it and self challenge, like getting the alternate dialogue with sol squadron and the ravens and doing certain missions in bricks.

So, is 8 better than 5?

>>583170861
That's the least they can do if they're going to have mostly lame options for mostly normalized planes
Oh and no pulse lasers

>>583171158
Don't know never played it