Orange edition>Blizzard’s new version of World of Warcraft, based on its original 2004 release. Currently in beta, it will feature more than 1,000 new quests, nine new dungeons, new race/class combinations including Undead Paladins and Dwarf Shamans, and more. Level 60 will remain the maximum level cap forever.>News, Dev Blogposts & Podcasthttps://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/>Patch Noteshttps://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-forever-beta-development-notes-%E2%80%93-updated-september-24/2360696>Talent Calculatorhttps://forevertalents.up.railway.app>When is it being released?November 4thName reservations on October 27th.>Beta GuildsType /who g-"Guild name" to see who's online, whisper anyone for an invite, or ask in thread.<wowfg> - PvP, Horde (EU)<Little Space> - PvP, Alliance (NA)<Lemon Party> - PvE, Alliance (NA)>Previous Thread>>583458862
RETAIL... IS... AWESOME!
what killed the hype?
Comfiest healer for duo leveling by launch?Friend will play paladin tank or hunter.
Al*x is having a meltdown over being able to put traps in combat. Is he right?
>>583477406literally who?
>>583477394this isn't the retail thread retard
>roll belf>there's like 2 other people in the starting zone oh...
Why did they remove teleporting to dungeons but keep BG queues in cities? Running to Ashenvale to queue up for WSG was pure SOVL
>DruidYou level as feral cat, saar>WarriorYou level as protection warrior with revenge, like epic wrath, saar>PaladinYou level as retribution, like brahmin aggrend saar, aoe farm will be nerfed soon>ShamanYou level as melee enh then reroll to healer for end games, saar>WarlockYou level as a affli-demo saar>PriestYou level as shadow, saar, then reroll healer>HunterYou level as BM, saar, then become lone wolf>RogueYou level as combat saar, then become mutilate bot>MageYou must level as frost saar, then become frostfire player.
>>583477398druid until they nerf thorns
>>583477531>Priest>shadowI level as disc though
>>583477505Wrong thread
The more I play the beta the more I realize that "retail minus" doomers were right ...
>>583477562Why would they nerf it? Thats basically all Resto has going for it. But then again you'd be better off going Moonkin for the same thorns+aura.
>Alliance exceptionalismumm, that's problematic
>shaman becomes the high parry high dodge class since that doesn't exist>gets a weapon buff that increased parry chance that scales with strength >gets a weapon buff that increases dodge chance that scales with agility>gets tanking totemsdone
Raised as a knight of the Silver Hand, reduced to an captive of Horde, broken and defiled
>>583477556why are you bringing negativity to the dojo?you are being evil and mean, post beta character you do not play you are evil bloody benchod shill against wow forever
Theoretically how will destro play at 60? The talents confuse me because it looks like you'll have 100% uptime on both fire and shadow buffs so how do you know when to shadowbolt and when to incin?
>>583477691Resto should unironically get an Improved Thorns talent very late in its tree. Would actually have people having one in parties and 10 mans.
>>583477689Whats great is we’ve only just begun, can you imagine in like, 3 months when the game is a ghost town and the few of you that remain are autistically attacking eachother?
>>583477530Battlemasters were added less than a month after battlegrounds were, retard.
>>583477756>shaman tank is the dual wield class>this increases the chance to dodge and parry
>>583477406In what world is that not a good change? Dude needs to get a grip.
>>583477756>Avoidance tankRetards love repeating mistakes.
>>583477850Anon with the megaservers this game will never feel empty. Also forever is going to have more people than classic launch did.
>>583477803>>583477814>>583477818>>583477838>>583477850>>583477853Most streamers disagree with this
>>583477968*and then you woke up from your reddit dream*
>>583477853Your point, retard?
>>583477964>implying shamans being the retard tank isn't entirely on point
>>583477968Aggrend already has projected at least 10, if not 20, million players by Q1 of 2027.
Imagine if, instead of calling it WoW Forever, they just called it Warcraft. That would've had so much aura.
Ran a WC, tank dropped before the first boss so Shaman threw on a shield and we 4manned th rest of the dungeon ping ponging between him and my VW but stopped at the big elemental boss for obvious reasons, only had 1 level 20 so it took forever and felt like such a fucking waste w/the exp nerf. this is something that would have felt mostly awesome and been a lot of fun if i wasnt wishing for someone else to drop so i wouldnt be the dick that ruined the run
i started wow retail and i already have 1 gold and all greens in the literal tutorial
>>583478098You can count the people who actually ran up to Ashenvale to queue on one hand, retard.
>>583477756they should make paladin alliance exclusive again and turn ele into the prot paladin equivalent
>>583478192oh I see you are one those "no changes" dipshit lmao
Death Knight should be horde exclusivePaladin should have stayed Alliance
Actually Shaman should be the self healing tank.Rockbuster: While Rockbiter Weapon is applied Earth Shock taunts the target. When a shield is equipped Lightning Shield gains 3 extra orbs and applies additional threat. When a charge is absorbed heals the Shaman (scales with SP or AP whichever is higher).
>>583477818Nothing particularly confusing.The fire version uses incin as its main spell. Shadowburn to keep up shadow and flame.Shadow version uses shadow bolt as its main spell.
>retoilet refugee wants to kill Classic because his game is dead
>>583477968Don't forget the fake player bots they use now. We will never feel lonely again.
What's wrong with having a parry tank?
>>583478170Imagine if they called it VVhiteKKKraft and instead of it being shit, it was nazi kino.
>>583478340except retoilet isnt dead, you can check the population rn
>>583478301sorry death knight is coming, blood is the self healing tank
They could have had a slam dunk with Forever if the box edition had come with physical media - actual discs to install the game with.
>>583478229The battlemasters were the only reason people actually did battlegrounds, the original devs realized that having people queue from random locations in the world was a mistake and they had data to back up their decision to put the battlemasters in.
>>583478184You could have spent literally 20 seconds inviting another tank but nooooooo.
>>583478301>Earthen Warden: Makes ES taunt>Enchant shield Rockbarrier/Life barrier>Make memestorm weapon stack up to 7 and work on all resto spellsthere u go wigga.
>>583478340it's not dead, billions are buying store mounts
>>583478534That was when we had 400 people per server dumbass
>>583477398Definitely not druid (the weakest and hardest to play healer)
>>583478340>no classic thread>one retoilet threadare you certain retail is the dead game here?
>want to play wowf>log in and start playing>realize i'm wasting my time and progress will reset>log out>want to play wowf>repeat
why are they babying forever more so than classic like its a lot friendlier no?wasnt classic already piss easy
I want to play WoW Classic Era because its not for troons but its dead
>>583478340>another day>another classictranny seething about retail unpromptedRetail broke you people and owns your ass
>>583478717i just checked and the pootoilet thread was made 23 hours ago and it's at 600 posts. not a good luck blud
>>583478717Im certain everybody playing forever is high as a kite on nostalgia flavored hopium and when the reality sits in a month after release and everybody is raid logging like retail, the comedown will be unlike anything youve ever experienced before.
>>583478831Classic was for retarded dadgamers, Forever is for people even dumber than that.
>>583478831retroon was actually easiest of all
>>583478895How many posts does the classic thread have?
>>583478831They are grooming type Bs whales into playing the game so they create a target rich enviroment for type A rapists.
>>583478942yeah like me
pserver doomjeets saying wow forever is dead is them being the part that caused the kettle black
>>583478938>raidlogging like retailClassic is exclusively raidlogging and has zero content to do outside of raidlogging, why even bring up retail?
retailGAWDS killed classic and will kill forever with their nigger suggestions. soon enough there will only be retail. they won. they fucking won
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehlWLbLkmiwAre you playing your main class in forever?
I ate too many m&m now my tummy hurts
>>583478938we've already reached that point. its mainly grifters still hyping the shit out of forever because their paychecks depend on it. they believe its gonna be another cash cow like classic launch was
>>583478365>failed dictatorship >kino
>>583479114you really thought we were going to have our 20 years worth of mounties and mogs go to waste? think again. in the end, we always win
>>583479219>>583479242>>583479194>9265â–¶>>>583478365>>failed dictatorship>>kino>>583479194>>583479114anyone actually play battlegrounds or nah
uhhh b lizzard just took 13 bucks from mei nver said i wanted a subi just bought the betawhat the fuck
>>583479082How about i bring up the horizontal progression I achieved on ur mother’s cooter last night?
>>583479194why is this video in 140fps?
Preordering the 60 dollar pack gives you 30 times WHEN wowf releases right??
>Forever's endgame is leveling alts so you can get put achievement points in the legacy system so herb nodes give you an extra herbLMAOOOOOOO this shit is DOA and will be a raidlog sim with 20k players TOP after the first month
>>583479495YESS I LOVE RETOILET!!
>>583479495more than any pserver you play on, trannylmao
>>583479440sure
>>583479194i always play priest
>>583479495I love buying programming socks on troontle!
>>583479575??? BRO
Blizzard shills don't wan to admit it, but Blizzard uses DEI when it comes to class balancing now. Warriors and mages were too good in vanilla? Well they must be nerfed to make up for being good in the past. It doesn't matter if you never played vanilla, mages being nerfed is important for progress and you must suffer for the old players playing an overpowered class (much like racism/slavery of the past). Furthermore, you must buff all the hybrid classes by turning the hybrid tax into a hybrid strength. All the hybrids must have all the utility in healing, resurrecting, and tanking. A druid must be as good as a priest, rogue, or warrior at any given role. This is DEI class balance. Hybrid classes are made better to make up for the past in the game's history where they were treated as secondary classes. You see, the druids underwent so much emotional abuse being token raiders brought for their buffs. It's about paying reparations for vanilla druids. That's why they now have a rez without a cooldown.
>>583479723Why did you post a photo of retroon in this thread?
>>583479495saar delete this post you are being negative benchod, wheel of karma will punish you harshly you will become lowest of low in next life become dalit not brahmin like me
>>583479723wrong general broski
>>583479495@grok debunk this
>>583479653
>classicfaggots trying to pretend retail had anything to do with their shitty game dyingYour own shitty behavior and cancerous "playstyle" of doing all world buffs into raidlogging killed your gameRetailGODS and Perfs alike look at you retards as the retarded unloved stepchild of the WoW playerbase that you are.You retards killed your own game with your own behavior, accepting streamers and hyper minmaxxingForever is not for you, they've made gameplay changes to specifically prohibit your cancer playstyles that your destroyed your version of the game with>dungeon xp nerf>mage aoe nerf>gdkp banned>rmt bannedIf the HD models weren't enough of a "Fuck off retard sperg" sign then this post hopefully will be
nice thread retards
>>583479495they voted for this. average /wowfg/ retard is against new classes and major talent changes, they want to play the same slop again and again and again
>>583477853Yeah, that’s why it’s called #nochanges, it means nothing that was ever added to the original release is good.
>>583479807>>583479723>>583479495Do they just test their bots saying random shit here?
>>583479495flatter
warrior brosim dying a lot while leveling
>>583479807>>583479897>>583479723fartywartysauce
>>583479824/wowfag/ is a designated shitting general, we’ll all look back and laugh once the nostalgia fomo wears off!
These are the people posting in this thread.
>>583479824Thanks
>Orc>starting zone requires walking 200000000000000000000000000 miles just to get level 10>undead>level 10 in 30 minutes
>>583479757>>583479794>>583479897>>583479936These are engagement shills, not a single response to my post.
>>583477531>paladin>aoe farm will be nerfedIf they nerf prot paladin aoe damage then the class is dead and I simply will stop playing the game. Consecrate is already capped at 4 targets. It would be extremely fucking stupid to let thorns scale with spell power but not retribution aura. Paladin has absolutely no single target attacks worth pressing. Holy strike does basically nothing. Judgement is taunt.
>>583479807Calling it "players killing the game" is a mute point when the developers are actively changing systems to shape how people play. If those playstyles were possible and rewarded for years, blaming players for optimizing around them is backwards.
>>583479997Yeah Durotar sucks fat dick
>>583479495>brand new raids>balance patches>other forms of fresh content>being dead like era or a season serverIt would be at least as alive as retail and probably more alive because retail requires you to pay for expansions while forever does not. This is really cope. Turtle did less and continued growing every year and their content patches took like 12-16 months to come out.
>>583479997Yeah trying a troll made me realize if I ever intend to play horde it cant be an orc or troll, Durotar is by far the worst starting area I've ever seen
>>583480051There is no response you are posting reddit slop in a wowf thread, you would want to post that shit in a wowg
>>583479997I like the 1-7ish quests. Echo isles and the theramore fort.8-10 feels like a slog there though (relatively speaking)
>>583479997Thats the favelanigger experience
does maddie post herecan you relay a message that we are still waiting for the next runey episode and that wow can wait until you have done more quests than one every 4 weeks
>>583480132>>583479997Make orc troll -> zep to UC level there its THAT easy
>>583480083>she, for some CRAZY reason, thinks blizz wont be charging for content updates in foreverSister, you have acute hopium intoxication, you need a dosage of reality STAT!!!
>>583480165I fucking hate that I have to swim to do questsI don't think there's a single other starting zone like that
>>583479997Undercity is 10000x Worse to navigate than ogri tho
>>583480141But I'm right about class design in WoW forever... it's DEI. They are dumbing down classes for inclusivity and nerfing classes for being too powerful i the past.
>>583480132Just walk to mulgore bro. Tirisfal is pretty close by zeppelin too
I didn't like sky elves until I met /her/...
>>583479997Mulgore was worse, you can tell that they originally designed Mulgore with plainsrunning in mind back in 2003/2004.
>>583479874What I don’t understand is why those fags don’t just play era, it’s everything they want.
>>583480083Also blizzard wouldn't put this much effort into a product unless they had the stats to back up such a large thing. The game is way bigger than SoD, with the amount of quests, new zones, new dungeons, and new raids already in the game at launch it is bigger than most WoW expansions. The game will be massive even if they totally shit the bed, the classic enjoyers will simply leave and play pservers or go back to era/anni. Lots of people will stay though.
whats the best and worst warrior spec rn?
>>583477531Is lone wolf the best at end game?
>>583478768What exactly is the difference between the beta and the release? Both are a waste of time and progress.
>>583479194>letting a woman tell me what to doBUR
>doomjeet is back
>>583480236That's what new races are for dipshit>release 1-2 new races every year or two>throw them behind a paywall like skelves, which set the precedent for them to do this>now you only have to pay if you actually want to play the race, but it's not forced to play the gameThat is enough for most people. Like me, I'm not buying skelves. I only play Undead, Orc, Human, and Nelf. I don't need anything else.
why do the mobs in the blue elf starter zone have 3x the movement speed of every other enemy in the game
former wow devspeaking FAX
>>583479082Last time I played retail I raid logged to.>do exactly enough shit to unlock vault slots for raid/m+>logout for the weekThere's zero reason to engage with any other aspect of the game. Everything outside of that is meant to milk your wallet for cosmetic shit.
>>583479874We love the idea oft new classes here you dishonest faggot
Anyone else get Gamer Forearm? Big huge red bump on my lower forearm
>>583480581>She thinks it's going to stop at races: |
>>583480630I don't see why more MMOs try the big open world aspect. XIV is all instanced portal shit. Even EQ was all portal shit. Runescape and WoW are the only two MMOs that feel like a real world and WoW sadly lost it over time.
>>583480741that's the mark of the gamer, all real niggas have it
Looks like at least some of the SoD rune quests made it into Forever. Should be interesting to see what the rewards are.
>>583480630They'll mention gameplay obstacles but not narrative obstacles like violence, racism, war crimes, hatred, horror, etc.
>>583480741where you rest your arm on your chair/desk? yeh
>>583480741Dude you have cancer
>leveled a druid as balance/resto to 30 on the beta>was pretty fun and healing is boring but manageable>i got legit 0 way to farm gold>skinning/leatherworking will give me 0 gold and will end up being a massive gold sink>already did the entirety of vanilla as healer so remember how boring it is>considering warlock to be able to open world farm and actually do something in bgs>every item contested by all casters and no raid spot>forced into destruction 2 button spam because affliction does 30% less damage because it just does OK?>will no longer have instant invites and will be forced to wait for a healer who will most likely be shit>even considered Enh shaman just to have fun but I know it will be an absolute meme>Ele has even worse scaling than boomkinI legit don't know what to do bros. I can get accepted into any guild with my raid history and parses but I legit feel cucked out whatever route I take
>>583480630Summoning and portals were in the game 4 (FOUR) years before Cubecrawler was hired.
>>583480165echos isles is for level 8-10 though.sounds like you are missing some quests. I reached barrens with level 12 or so in forever
QUIRK OVERLOAD!!!! THIS IS JUST LIKE VANILLA!!!
>>583480083>>other forms of fresh contentsuch as .... ?
>>583480581>she doesnt know about the 250$ Quel’thelas packIts okay sis… you can watch us get to lvl 70 and get insane gear on our high elves while you sit in your muddhut…
>>583480924he wasn't a late bc hire? I remember his posting in wrath, I swear
>>583480819It's Lostech. Even retail struggles to do expansions that are just one big continent anymore, they keep doing portalslop and separating half the zones by loading screens
we are all going back to era eventually btw
>>583480901There's dual spec. Just offspec feral for outdoor farming and tanking.Druids might still be able to do maraudon farms late game too
>>583480630>wow devI thought ghostcrawler was paid to hang out in the official forums and not much else?Other than that he is correct. But also "former wow dev" is a useless label these days, they'll typically say anything for another 2 minutes of attention.
>>583478340You really, really don't want retail to die, as it is funding the wow forever side project.
My big takeaway from beta is that Forever is retail for classic players more than classic for retail players.
>>583480741Every wow player gets this
>respecs>portalsbrother there is a literal SUMMONING stone in front of every dungeonlet it SUMMON people
>>583480819>forgets XIgreatest mmo of all time at 75cap
>>583481015WoW released with portals and summons. You can tell when fags didn't play the fucking game.
>>583477818Affliction sim the highest dps.
>>583481120xi sucks ass thobeit
>>583481097It's called a meeting stone.
>>583481131Stones didn't summon until BC pre-patch
>>583480819Why would you try to make an interesting open world when all telemetry show that players will do their utmost to avoid it?
>>583481178no
>>583481015Yeah he was hired during TBC, his first big work was designing DKs and then posting during the Wrath alpha
>>583481131this is a really funny post
>>583480819GW2I also remember Aion and Warhammer having open worlds, and I'm sure several other wowclones I never played did too.
>>583481179>>583481216Warlocks and mages, you stupid fucking niggers!
>>583481097No more boosting plaboLearn a real trade
>>583477406Is he still crashing out over gamer dad guilds?
>>583481270that's not what he's referring to you clearly fucking retarded shitface cockbag
So we all agree that it's Retail Minus, right?
>>583481097I just wont invite you if you are too far away. Get walking pal
>>583479807retoilet has been the scapegoat for the eternal niller cryboom for years
>>583480819>Even EQ was all portal shitNo it wasn't, at least not until PoP.
>>583480358
>>583480819>>583481020Level design in general has become a lost art due to AAA fags focusing on "cinematic experiences" and everyone chasing hollywoodslop to varying degrees rather than actual game design
>>583481131think hes talking about wrath portals in like dalaran, everyone just set the hs to dalaran and used the portals 24/7
>>583481324>he wasn't talking about summons and portals, he was talking about summons and portalsGo drown in the Ganges, you fucking jeet.
>>583480358shame that she is so flat
>>583481197
She needs to undergo satyrization
>>583481470Those are class-specific variety you intentionally gay niggerKill yourself
>>583480819>Even EQ was all portal shit.no, it wasnt. you had to compete against other players for everything. imagine molten core with half the server and only one guild gets the loot
>>583481521>>583481503>>583481483>>583481470>>583481453>>583481447>>583481430Campfires are forced socialization
>>583481348Go play retoilet with instant group forming
>>583480998Her log my throat
>>583477978>streameropinion discarded
I was just talking to a forever dev on the discord, they think my idea for personal loot and group finder are great!
>get to campfire>immediately alt tab
>>583481570>forcedYou asperger autist
>>583481550>wow launched with summons and portals>"erm... those don't count because...YOU'RE A FUCKING CHUD NAZI!!!!!!"
>>583481701They are. The stat boosts from it are essential
>>583481570don't socialize? see campfire, sit down, go take a piss, come back, leave with a buff
>>583481570It worked in turtleit wont in nu-retail, because blizzard is watching
>>583481570Good
>>583481730>essentialNo they aren't you're just making them essential because you're an antisocial asperger who only sees 1% more crit as "essential"
its time to admit that Forever lost. Someone make the Era apology form
>>583481247>gw2I didn't play it long enough to discover if it was portal shit, but it's instanced shit.>invisible walls all over the place>to get to a new zone there is only like 1 road you can walk on to get to the "entrance" of the zone>loading screen when you enterinstance shit, just like xiv. yeah the zones can look spectacular when done this way with all unique settings and crazy visuals like floating islands and shit, but it makes the world feel so disconnected and much of the time it creates the "earthen peak to iron keep" feeling (pic related)
big shout out to blizzard for this game because its poggers in the chat
>FOREVER IS NOT A RAIDLOG GAME!!!!>So what's the content at 60?>Uhm ... new raids .... and ..... just level alts ok????
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GeoXaXFVVk secret quest found
>>583481778You’re gonna be in for a rude awakening come raiding time, classic players are ultra autistic for having all possible buffs.
>>583481835Sounds exactly the same as the classic World of Warcraft we all know and love.
>>583481791>forever lostyes>era apologywhy, era also lost
>>583481837HOLYHECK AGGREND YOU MAD LAD
>>583481837>Zzzaryu
why did blizzard remove visible mid drifts from female models?
>wanting to poison my algorithm with that grifting shitskinno thanks
>>583481903No, you are, forever players won't accept anti social asperger era aand retail players like you
>>583481835>raidlog is purple
>>583481272Boosters will just sell quest runs. Since there are more dungeons you can level quite quickly chaining dungeons one after another if you have all the quests. For example as alliance starting at 20>RoL>Deadmines>BFD>Stockades>Excavation Site>GnomerganYou'll come out the otherside with a significant number of levels.
>>583481947why are you pretending to be an english speaker?
>>583481837thats sick
>>583481835This post cuts to the heart of what has me skeptical of WoW:Forever, because they announced it only 7 weeks before its release and showed basically nothing that implies this is new or "plus." It is fundamentally just classic WoW with less than an expansion's worth of content added on, like SoD. Actually SoD sounded more innovative and compelling than wowf.
the only way to make people happy is to have normal realms and fresh realms. fresh realms reset every month
>>583481835It's just like retail. There's nothing to do outside of raid log there too. All of the best items come from raids, M+ rarely has any impact because the ilvls are capped. Everything else is just cosmetic shit to get you to open the blizzard store and spend money.
>>583482091this isn't seasonal
>>583481963This is a satirical post, right?
>>583482130Yeah, the only thing separating Retail and Classic is the cash shop. Both are raidlog simulators.
>>583481835It's for us slowies, nobody will raid log and everyone will level characters non stop and be social and be my friend and never, EVER EXCLUDE ME.And they all will play like I want them to and they all will be my friends FOREVER.
>>583482193It's gonna be the truth, kiddo
Fresh HC era when?
my satyr shadow knight!
>>583480862racism is back in forever althoughbeit
>>583482193That's just what slowies actually believe.
>>583481793>invisible walls all over the place>to get to a new zone there is only like 1 road you can walk on to get to the "entrance" of the zone>loading screen when you enterWhat game are you talking about? Retail WoW stole their dragonflight mechanic from Guild Wars
i dont get why hardcore isnt released at the start, i mean our mains will be 60 well before hc comes out, and while id like to level alts through hc id also like to use the 15 or so legacy points my main unlocked
>>583482204The only real difference is you can legally buy gold in retail. They should just add the WoW token to WoWF
>>583482335Not sure if youre joking or not but thats how some of these posts are. The same nuBlizz everybody hated a month ago is now the savor of gaming and nothing will ever be wrong right reddit?
>>583482379>bainhamGET IT DOOD!?!?! BAINHAM? LIKE BANE HAM? HE'S THE BANE OF HAMS! BECAUSE HE KILLS QUILBOAR!!!!!! IT'S FUCKING EPIC DOOD! IT'S FUCKING HILARIOUS!!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
What's with the current meta of people wanting to clear content as fast as humanly possible just so they don't have to play the game anymore? It's genuinely a sickness.
forever is just the testing grounds to revamp the leveling experience in retail. after it flops in 6 months or less the team will abandon it like they did with som or sod or 2019 classic and it's game over.
YOU CAN SEE HYJAL FROM BARRENS? HOLY FOREVEROLI WE WON WE LITERALLY JUST WON.
>>583482509thats just everything rn, people want to clear shit immediately like hiking to the top of the mountain to take pictures for instagram and then move on to the next thing just normie shit
>Rush to 60>Get raid gear before them>Get maxxed out legachud points>Ensure that any slowie subhumans that join my raids can't roll for the good items >Rape slowies in pvp until they rope irlKINO! KINO! KINO!
>>583482490Never said that learn to read juanito
>>583481793the only issue with gw2's zones is that their boundaries are obviously rectangular once fully explored. Being able to swim for 10 minutes around a mountain instead of taking the road in WoW is a neat novelty but not at all necessary for creating an open world. In vanilla I can only think of Durotar-Barrens and Elwynn-Westfall/Redridge/Duskwood as the zones that don't have a border checkpoint.
>>583482449because hardcore is just a grift for streamers? when the hype dies down after launch they can start their little gay event to make money off off sheep like you
>>583477607>belf>blue elfget with the times, unc
>>583482509Fomo. I need to get to cap so I can get bis first so I get a raidspot. I need to have good gear so my favorite stream thinks I look good and am a good player, then he'll invite me to his guild and raids and eventually if I parse well I'll get a personal discord invite and join his friendgroup and then I'll be in his youtube videos and streams and I'll be famous too.I
>>583481778>Armor increase by 70 and all attributes increased by 2Sure its not essential
>>583482509Well it's simple. If you wait you>miss out on expliots>get ganked in the low level zones by people who did rush ahead>get excluded from raids because you have no logs>struggle to get pre raid bis because all the people that rushed already finished their grinds>have to wait in long pvp queues because everyone that rushed already finished their reputation grinds
>>583482192The essence of seasonslop is "get to the end and then start over," which is what Legacy is, the only actually new thing in Forever.Activision Blizzard forces seasonslop into every single one of their games, it helps them pad out the content and keep it relevant forever, and the point of Forever is to pad out content and keep it relevant forever, so it's naive to think it won't be seasonslop.Extra food for thought: It is insane to me that people are discounting Forever on Skyborne alone. They introduced a new race to both the game and the lore, and are charging a pretty hefty price for it considering their previous price points, and it's... just a 20 year old model recolored. Shouldn't that worry people? Why isn't that setting off alarm bells? That's transparently a lazy cash grab.
blizzard should make a new singleplayer game so you don't have to play with people
respeccing should be free UP TO lvl 60at lvl 60 you can respecc once for say 10g then its 100g then 200g
>>583482509no one wants to get stuck with slow retards that cant click a box on Magtheridon
>>583482820This also applies to real life, but slowies are just born cattle.
FASHY UND FRESHY
They should cap the levels on release and raise them 10 levels every 2 weeks.I want fomo chasers to literally tear their own hair out and their own skin off because they can't be first at everything
>>583477397there's nothing to do other than pvp with unemployed people who have level 30 bis, and even casters are gear dependent now so i just can't be fucking bothered burning out grinding a beta
>pull a mob>start pressing keybinds that are unboundthe mind forgets but the body remembers
>>583482820This is true. In Classic, I was one of the first people on my realm to hit 60, and that alone secured me a raid spot because they assumed I was good at the game.
>>583482824Skyborne are just the start, I can 100% ensure you that they'll try to>Sell classes>Sell specs>Sell raidsAnd eventually>Straight up sell actual gear
>>583478717retail is the only other pillar thats going to survive. Classic pops cratered with the Forever announcement. Meanwhile Retail wasnt much affected since theres still plenty of retail players who only want to play that.>B-b-but the slow /vg/ threadretail palyers dont post on 4chan as much as you might want to think so.
>>583482820>>583483068First ones to cry about no content 72h after launch i bet
>>583482738Not even because of the super adventure box but GW2 basically turned the MMO experience into a console game and all the zones are the same checkpoint half ubisoft half banjo kazooie shit. I guarantee that the collegeslop foids that work at Blizzard have the same idea of how horizontal progression in Forever should work
>>583482971peak GOYIM comment right here>get to level cap and pre bis in a month or less >NOOOOOOOO IT SHOULD TAKE 3 MONTHS SO MY FAVORITE JEWISH COMPANY CAN MAKE $45 INSTEAD OF $15
>>583482896respeccing cost should be proportional to how different your point allocation is, so it's cheap to move 2 points but going down an entirely different tree is expensive
>>583479194theres no DK in foreveryet
>>583483208or at least let me respec single points for a lower cost instead of everythingsee po2
B-but... s-sovl?
>>5834831074chan is terrible place to discuss any content in retail>RP/Cutesy woman shit like mog runs and house stuff4chan community is mentally porn addicted trannies that can't stop talking about porn>PvPWoW PvP is dead, but, 4chan players are fucking terrible because they are porn addicted trannies that only masturbate>PvE end gameOnce more, it is really hard, if not impossible, to discuss things with someone that parses grey at everything other than fakku.
>>583483107i wonder when people will learn they can play multiple versions of wow, especially considering how much each version gets accused of being a raid log sim
>>583483113I don't want more content grinds. I am 36 with a wife and kids. I get 1 night a week to raid. I am taking the release week off work to blast to 60, get prebis and just raidlog for the rest of the game's lifecycle. Yes I will also be buying gold on a second account, using that gold to buy items and then trading those items to my main account.Gold buying is only banned if you trade the gold.
>>583483098Which one of these is you?
the playerbase is trash. fantasy mmorpg my ass.
>>583483305>I'm a cuck who has no sex and doesn't get to play gamesfeels good being an attractive neet lOL
Lots of normgroids will leave the game to play gta6 or the zelda remake. Remember to not join normgroid guilds or you will end up pugging the raids
>>583483305>. I am 36 with a wife and kids.>>583483305>I am taking the release week off work to blast to 60,
>>583483046How cute are the new elves for the alliance?
>>583483098olympus will exclude any of the paid features and require members to emote on them to get another emote banned from wow
>>583483263Never tipping a single mage ever again.
>>583482509Covid brainfried people.
>Warriors no longer the best tank, the best dps, the best hybrid, the best pvp'ers, the best personalized epic class quest loot and prioritized on leather and mail.I suffered a personal holocaust. I was RAPED. Then blizzard didn't give me even more goodies and it felt like neglect RAPE.
>>583483305>taking the release week off of work>thinking he's gonna blast to 60>doesnt know he's gonna be stuck trying to tag mobs at a snails pace
>>583483359I get sex regularly. My wife is currently pregnant so it's extra fun. I get to play with her big milky tits and lick breast milk off her tummy.
>>583483464Olympus will demand you piggy up or be kicked, as per orders of the king shill, assmongreloid.
>>583483185GW2's open world events were a good idea, but it ends up feeling really artificial when you see the same event happen again in the span of an hour. If it had long sequences of branching consequences and conflicting events it would've been really cool, but that's obviously a lot of development time. Plus they want people to see the dragon boss or whatever.
>>583482965What
im gonna go try rogue again... i felt so squishy first time aroundgonna try alliance i guesswhich race?
>>583482509let me guess. pvp server? where falling behind means you are vaporized by enemy faction?
>kills MageHAHAHA GET FUCKED MAGES LMAO>kills WarriorHAHAHA GET FUCKED WARRIOR LMAO>KILLS ALL THE RESTWait where is everyone?
At what level does the Sylvanas handjob quest give the most optimal exp? I wanna make sure I don't waste it
>>583483524>he didn't practice his speedrun route for his first characteroh no no
>>583483524The meta for release day isn't quests starting at level 1. It's go to hyper spawn locations and grind. At low levels you'll get way ahead like this and get ahead of the curve. Once you do that leveling is easy.
>>583483537no anon you dont get sex, she has a stinky smelly old pussy and you will never fuck 18 year olds
New NPC they added in Forever, likely important and for a quest... and it's a pop culture reference.>MEMBER SUPERMAN!?!? MEMBER?!?!? LOOK, IT'S HIM, SUPERMAN'S DAD!!!!People will argue that Forever isn't retail minus.
>>583483649Playing hunter
>>583483616either human or nelfhuman counters undead paladins and rogues (aka 50% of forever horde), nelf shadowmeld is always nice to use + crit racial on demand
>>583483737There's loads of reference npcs in vanilla
>>583483759>>583483750>>583483737>>583483686>>583483669>>583483668Can i play in first person
There's no other word for it...*gulps**hyperventilates*it.. it was RAPE. There was no other word that could be describe what Blizzad did to me
>GIGA PUMPER BIS GEARED INSANE DPS PICK ME PICK PICK ME>inv>normal dps
>>583483737you cant even been assd to edit it
>>583483713She is 10 years younger than me. I am quite alright anon.
>>583483819Name one.
>>583483759nah gonna go pvehumans do have %2 crit with swords i.e. for combat rogue that sounds niceare there any good lvl 30 swords in the game though?
>>583483885>I'm alright with NEVER seeing cute 18 (definitely 18 (totally 18 years old btw (shes 18 when i fuck her (shes 18 btw)))) pussy ever again!
>>583482470Its coming very soon, im amazed they didnt release it for beta but i guess even blizz isnt THAT scummy, theyll wait for release.
ALEXENSUAL RUNS THIS THREAD
>>583483864"show me all your consumables and engineering bombs in trade"
>>583483737https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Larion_(dwarf)https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Muigin
>>5834838721.60.1 is the patch version for Forever. Vanilla never went over 1.12.1
>>583483579Yep, totally killed my hype for the game playing it on launch. They had the events hyperspawning for the first week or so and it felt so bland. I think I got to level 55 before quitting.
>>583483904Gorfax Angerfang - NPC - World of WarcraftWowheadhttps://www.wowhead.com › ... › NPCs › HumanoidsNov 23, 2004 — The Angerfang Menace is a reference to the Star Wars movie The Phantom Menance which was released on May 19, 1999, This NPC can be found in Wetlands (6).
>>583482509>no, that's unoptimal (bad). I couldn't do that because I'm a good player I feel like it stems from real life. If you have a shit life and hate your job at least you can 'be someone' online by being a high level big parser on wcl.
>>583483537>>583483885That's some insane projection there anon jesus christ
>Riptide is so busted for pvp that ele and enh shamans are planning to go all the way down into resto to pick it upI don't know why they insist on so many dps trees having completely worthless capstones
I need smut of the horde raping and enslaving alliance
>>583484102>>583484063>>583484060>>583484059>>583484019>> (definitely 18 (totally 18 years old btw (shes 18 when i fuck her (shes 18 btw))))
>>583484019>>583484063This was passionate and soulful
>>583484170goalposts: moved
>>583484019>there are people that actually think this is a reference>>583484063>using the same word as something else makes it a reference
>>583482939playing for 10h a day for weeks straight because you're too weak to fight FOMO IS cattle behavior anon
>>583484102If you have a good life you also don't do bad decisions in other things.
>There were no pop culture references in Vanilla W-
>>583484275The name Kent is a regular human name? What about it specifically is a reference lil bro? It's just a name>Using the same name as something else makes it a reference!
>>583484290aunt jemima!
>>583483864>normaltheyre always shit every single time
>seething about a superman reference
>>583484382
>>583484371Farmer Kent is literally the name of Superman's dad.
>>583484275>pretending to be retarded this hard
>>583484371You will never be a woman you disgusting abomination
>>583484146you are the spec you have the most points in, so they are restos
>using the same name as something else makes it a reference
>>583484289I grief you in real life and I grief you in game.You are my cattle, 10h of my gameplay is 2 months of yours.
>>583484410He's just shitposting, he's been at it for days looking up random quests and claiming they were added in forever
>>583483185>I guarantee that the collegeslop foids that work at Blizzard have the same idea of how horizontal progression in Forever should workGood because GW2 is still successful enough to this day to have an active playerbase and the funds to develop a sequel. Without mazing its players on endless vertical gear treadmills or re-releasing the older versions of the game to bank on nostalgic gamer dads.
>Jaws>Zelda>Mario>Keeshan>Terminator2004 btw
>>583484428>>583484442Clark Kent's earthly adoptive father is Jonathan Kent, widely known as "Pa" Kent, while his biological Kryptonian father is Jor-El.Seems like his name is Jonathan Kent. So a farmer named Kent is just a regular name. I don't see the reference, maybe if he was named Jon Kent
Vanilla was full of references but they were boomer references so your cultureless millennial ass didn't notice themhttps://www.wowhead.com/classic/quest=5098/all-along-the-watchtowers
>>583483904You never been to ungoro crater?There's like 5 reference npcs next to the flight point.Remember Linken?
what does alliance get in terms of items, dungeons, quests that only alliance gets?
>>583484428his name is jonathan kent though not farmer kentusing the same name as something else doesnt make it a referencesearching farmer kent only comes up with wow, not superman
stop responding to the faggot bot
>>583484357its actually the version of wow with the most pop culture references
>>583480078>If those playstyles were possible and rewarded for years, blaming players for optimizing around them is backwards.No it isn't, they couldn't make any changes to Classic because of the nochanges retards you allowed to run your game to the groundForever is undoing the colossal error of listening to nochanges retards and making the necessary changes they always should've been made to vanillaThey already got a lot of shit for necessary evils like sharding because otherwise the game would be unplayable so they just gave up and kept it running for some free classicbucks
>>583483904How about the gnome in Gadgetzan thats a blatant Geordie LaForge reference from star trek?
me and my bf
>>583484739i'm surprised cataclysm is that small of a slice
>Retardin gets 60% of into into SP for 3 talent points>Shaman gets 100% of into as SP (very low value, remember normally 1 stat point=2 AP for melee characters), and 30% of int as SP (terrible) for 3 and 2 talent points>Except all of shaman's damage is primarily white hits via Stormstrike and windfury>Memestorm weapon is terrible with slow 2handers aka the go to for windfury
>"ttv" in first name>last name "foreverpvp">undead rogue>"INV BIG DPS">strafe spam>tells tank to pull faster>links dps meter at the end of the dungeon
I hope they add more character customization options.
>>583483419quite positively terrible
>>583483904If we're being serious and not just shitpostingHemet NessingwaryFinkle EinhornGrimlockEdward and Tyler in UndercityGhaz'rillaGhamoo-ra
>>583482509Sunk cost era niggers who have nothing else whatsoever in their life to be proud of so their only way to achieve any kind of recognition in anything is to treat their favourite video game as a job
>>583484785Cute but I think he might be a rogue, look at how he's dressed. Are you sure he's not in league with those defias bandits across the stream?
>>583484821It's easier to condense when you can summarize entire zones as a giant pop culture reference
>frogposting redditor
>>583483904the whole Linken q line in Un'goro
>>583484853>Is under tank
>>583484785it was a cavity search not a date you damn felon.He sees has a hundred girls like you every day.
>>583484853>>links dps meter at the end of the dungeonYou mean the end of the trash pack. Every trash pack
>>583484821The slice is small, but the damage is large. Westfall might be just one reference, but it ruins the whole fucking defias quest chain.
can i use the rainer in the sky elf area as the opposite faction? like mages are only available for alliance sky elves but if i travel to zephras isle as a undead mage can i use the mage trainers still?
>>583483853You loved it. Put on the dress, its our turn now. Breathe when it goes in.
>trooneverfags are fine with their game being referenceslopSad!
>>583483904https://www.wowhead.com/classic/npc=7766/tyrion
>>583485047kent is a normal name doe
>>583484821because that goes against the narrative sister
>after 20 years Heroic Strike is still a complete noob trap of a skillhahaha #noChangesExceptForPaladinsAndHuntersAndWarlocksAndPriestsAndShamansAndMagesAndRoguesAndDruids
>>583485047>Classic 2004 had references>Retail has reference>Forever has referencesAll of wow is referenceslop
>>583484902....>>583485004i am his ONLY one shut uuuuup
>>583485080whats noob trap about it?
Warcraft is just one big dota reference
>less than 30 days to decide whether i want to play horde or alliance on rp server
>>583484637Alliance questing is aids.Like raw aids.Here are some examples.>Do an entire westfall chain>Okay, now go to Redridge>Okay, now go back to westfall>Okay, now go to Stormwind>Okay, now go back to westfall>Okay, now do an escort that 50 people are waiting for >Now you can finally do DM>Do you know the Dark Iron war quest at the end of wetlands? the one surrounded by level 30-33 elire, well go kill a level 34 elite and when you do that you will get a level 24 stormwind stockades dungeon quest, you also have to turn it back in at the edge of Arathi btw.>Scarlet Monestary?>Now jumping straight into that would be cool huh? Well, not you need to fly to desolace and kill 30 fucking 38 undead ravagers and once that is done you can actually get the alliance SM questline, horde jsut walk up to Sylvanans? Even though it's right outside their capital city and you have to walk through WPL and get mauled by level 56 bears and spiders that cast web?The ONLY thing, and the ONLY thing that is gay on horde is the SM book quest you need to push through test of lore, and even as horde you can do that casually to the point the only detour is running into Stonetalon as a 30.
>>583485142He is the president of my eastern european country?
this bitch again
>>583484943you constantly see someone post absolute random garbage nonsense with pepes / apus in all 3 wow generals for years nowI wonder if it's all the one same fag who thinks he's an epic memester
Big night tonight
Have they said anything about fixing dispel?the bug where it casts even when you have nothing to dispel feels really fucking janky
Blacrock and Roll was literally a wc3 quest
>>583485047You've had over 10 vanilla reference npcs quoted to you already. There's loads more.You are just baiting
>>583485313Are these guys going for World First Level 60?
>>583485313they added bulls to forever? oh my science!!
>>583485172yeah its like people forgot that blizzard was always THE pop culture dev.
>>583485368I miss when Warcraft was rock and roll fantasy
>>583485313Forever has PrEP?
>>583485241that does sound like giga aidshorde it is
>>583485269now do the one with CLASSIC instead of RETAIL
>>583485080litterally the 2nd source of damage behind meleenothing noobtrap about it
>>583485337I've noticed the same bug where I can cast frost nova and arcane explosion even when there aren't any enemies nearby
Why would they add a reference to Rick and Morty in Forever?
>>583485465what?
>>583485241for horde do you think barrens or silverpine is better for questing? i'm leaning towards barrens but i'm not entirely sure
>Retoilet
>Human peasant qoutes>DohObviously a simpson reference>I didn't vote for youMonty Python reference>May we burn the witchMonty Python reference>I'm being repressed!Monty Python reference
>>583485506It's funny how most of them references are on the Alliance side. Once again goes to show which is the superior Faction.
>>583485615HVLY KVNO
>>583481270you are so fucking dense it's almost unbelievable but alas, i believe you're an idiot
>>583485615>we're getting the same writers for foreverI can see a massive private server surge in the distance
>>583485225>>583485440yellow damage creates no rage so using heroic strike is effectively doing less damage than just a white attack
>>583485615this is the gayest shitWhy are they calling it Arathor and not Stromgarde?
>>583485703Horde has no culture so there's nothing to work with
>>583485180TURN AROUND AND SPREAD EMNOW
>>583485771Cant wait to buy the socks again
>>583485595Barrens easily. But really you'll probably do most of both anyway
>>583485615Which proves why Forever will also suck because it's the same woke DEI devs
>>583485870orc meat goes here
>>583485784what about in raids where you have infinite rage
>>583485313redpill me on ahmpy. was he a nostalrius fag, and is that how he knew so much about classic? i don't know why, but i just can't respect fags who were grinding nostalrius back in the day. you had to be a genuine loser to be playing that shit.
>>583485784capping on rage is even less damage which is why you use heroic strike
>>583485615having a warrior with glasses on is the goofiest thing imaginable
>>583485921so go play classic era? sar
retoilet wellness check
>>583485595silverpine 1->12 and then barrens is the restedxp route
>>583485784you get infinite rage as a warrior, HS is a ragedump and it work just right
>>583485870
>>583484169she was only 140fps
>>583485421Oh it doesn't end btw>BFD>Horde have more quests, in-dungeon drop quests, BFD gives them better gear and more exp, the quests print awesome and usable blue weapons from a dungeon with an otherwise shit loot table.>Alliance get dogshit from BFD quests, even the good ones are just bracers, and on alliance side their quests are all drops and you can not finish them in one run because the drop rate is low and you will have to run it multiple times.>Uldaman>The most convoluted and aids dungeon, but it's easier on horde, horde can go back just two times.>Alliance has to go back four times to 100% it.
>>583485615This is canon in Forever BTW, the characters in this webm are members of the Arathi Empire, and the Sky Elves are from the same hidden continent as the Arathi Empire.
>>583485465in classic dispel doesn't lock you out of the GCD they added that in retail because of esport shit so he is probably wondering whether wow forever is going down the esport route or if it is going to be a comfy RPG
>>583485241That's why journeyfags are Alliance and minmaxtrannies are Horde. Horde is extremely casual "kill 12 fagomons and collect their skulls from right outside town" for the entire 1-60 leveling process. The Alliance is much more inconvenient but narratively rich.>Getting the isolated townships to all coordinate and get to the bottom of the bandit problem>Helping a Scarlet Crusader who's been so far away from home that he's still a good chap in it for killing undead and doesn't know his organization has gone schizo.
>>583486115world of hordecraft by the looks of it
I like playing uglier Body Type 2s.
>>583485973Home in Forever
>>583485954>redpill me on <STREAMER>
>>583485954he's alright, i haven't watched him since anniversary launch,but he's pretty knowledgeable at least on mages and not much of a sperg
>>583486186you may have a type
What do I do for another month?
>>583486115Horde favoritism is a universal constant
>>583480467no its a meme for retards so they dont fail microing their pet
Horde gets to TP to gnomer.They get the staple quest and can get Triprunner pants and all the important shit.It's actually easier for them to get the gnomer than it is for alliance. Meanwhile no such mechanic exists for SM.
ive been playing since original tbc, and to this day i still havent done uldaman once
>>583485796Too close to stormfront.
>>583485950>>583485956>>583486014didnt know we had this many women in this thread
surely all the low level horde advantages wont matter at 60 right
>>583486338>It's actually easier for them to get the gnomer than it is for allianceOnly technically true. Every horde group you ever run for gnomer has one clueless dickhead show up in booty bay without the teleporters quest, no matter how many times you try to tell them in advance
>>583486345You're missing out it's so goo->dataminers have located a model of uldaman in the forever datafiles that has this in it>it's a reference to indiana jones>they turned uldaman into a fucking indiana jones reference like cata did with uldumNevermind, you can skip it.
do i ud paladin (tank) or ud warlock (affli)
>>583486193It's so pathetic seeing devs use bluesky. It just shows how pitiful their entire lives are, how they are so terrified of being critiqued, how they know their work is shit or they wouldn't have to shelter themselves in a hugbox. It should be against Blizzard contract to post anything about the game outside of twitter as an employee. She is so worthless and I hope every quest she writes is collect 10 bear asses type shit that no one reads. If not, Forever is doomed.
>>583486535Don't reply to this bait. I did it for you
>>583486507its not an advantage its a worse journey
>>583486504Holy...
are daggers considered swords?im getting buffs out the ass with my fem human rogue
>>583486319That's not even the end of it.>STV>Horde get a Zeppelin directly into their main hub>Hub is also right next to the neutral hub of nesingwary's camp>When a horde player opens up on you and you try to defend yourself, they can just run 20 yards back to their base spawning elite guards to instantly shred you>They also get a boat from ratchet letting them bypass dangerous zone travel
assemble
>>583486685Stop posting AI generated obese women
>>583486345It's really gay, like really gay.However, if you quest in Badlands and do all the chains, and pre-emptively grab the shattered necklace. When you do run it you will have easily like 8 quests and it is a shit ton of exp, but it requires a ton of preparation and you have to pre-farm the outside of the dungeon briefly.
>>583486507Horde gets an exclusive world buffSafe faction-controlled FPs near Blackrock Mountain and Zul'GurubCloser capitals to Naxx and AQ
Mage or Druid for alliance? Druid seems like it'll be wet garbage, and I'm not sure if I will like the classic style gameplay for them at 60. My worry with mage is that it'll be the epitome of one button rotation, but I enjoyed it more than I thought at 20. It'll be the next 30 for me, so we'll see if that continues. Regardless, mage feels like it might be a good first toon to have to 60.
>>583486941Get your eyes checked, incel
>>583480901vendor the skins bro nothing is worth crafting before 60 then you can just buy out the low tier materials every other leveler dumps on the auction house for pennies and level your crafting profession
>>583486014>>583485956>>583485950>Infinite rage>Post rage normalization>She does not know:)
>>583487013You take the middleground between mage and druid - warlock
What is the Darkmoon Faire? Also I'm assuming a breadcrumb quest is a quest that leads me to another one but then how could I pick it up? I'm retarded.
>>583487125TEACH MEM ASTER
>>583486507It doesn't matter, I just find it hilarious how convenient horde is compared to ally.I like to 100% zones and dungeon as I level and doing this on alliance is considerably more difficult and requires jumping through hoops. If you're autistic maybe this actually makes the game more enjoyable but strictly for leveling it will slow you down being alliance.At 60 you will have to deal with racials though, which are also horde favored.
>>583487125crits give rage, though
Are there any good quest guides that are not some gay addon or video?
Play alliance if you wanna show off screenshotsPlay horde if you wanna get things done ingame
>>583486859That's not even getting into the bullshit that is BG design either>AV>Horde cave is closer, they have a backdoor into Alliance base, IBGY is a much better graveyard and they respawn closer and faster than Alliance do. Also Balinda is weaker than Galv>AB>Horde can get to BS faster which enables them to control the entire map and hold 3 bases much easier(which is all you really have to do in AB to win).>WSGHorde tunnel is designed so it's easier to jump on top of, giving the horde fc a much easier route of escape to avoid getting caught
>>583487167Warriors are very rage starved because they no longer have infinite rage my wundertard.Well, prot does in aoe lmao.
>>583479495They have absolutely no idea how to handle horizontal progression and have probably largely given up on it, in favor of vertical. It will be just another raid simulator, but lacking the tools and design that retail has to achieve relative balance. Either pick the correct race + class + spec at launch, or sit on the bench.
>>583485241>>583485421>>583486115are you retarded, does staying in orange, brown and sand with a side order of spooky from level 1-47 sound worse than seeing winter snowcaps, lush green spring, autumn farmland/mountains and spooky nightfall
>>583487139Breadcrumb = Quest that points you to a new area, but isn't required as a prerequisiteChain = Quests that have prerequisites that need to be completed in order to grab the next
>Yo can you share that>Horde: Sure, here you go fren *shares 5 quests with great dungeon blues*>Alliance: *unshareable* Uh... uhh,... d-did you collect 50 pine cones in Azshara yet and suck off a tranny in un'goro yet? *gets a cloth piece with 10 str*
>>583487458I enjoy deserts yesAlliance is trans coded
>>583487458if i wanna get to 30 in the next 2 weeks? yes
>>583487481Ahh ok that makes sense. I have been exploring at random so that's why. Good to know o7.
>>583479495Funny how no one debunked this.There's nothing to do at 60, not even competitive pvp. Grim.
>>583486504
>>583487532>Alliance is trans coded
>>583486859Nevermind main hub, that they have a hub at all in STV. You cannot fly or hearth to Rebel Camp in vanilla. And as you mentioned their hub is walled and guarded near the sea whereas even if you could fly into Rebel Camp you're a fish in a barrel with only one way out and one way into STV.
>>583486892INV ASMON LAYER
anyone play the new battleground yet? is it kino or cringe
>>583487619>There's nothing to do at 60, not even competitive pvp. Grim.Retails right there
>>583487262alliance has the faster questing route to level up if you ignore dungeons, and they have really good hyper spawn spots
>>583487709I can find just as many alliancetroons thoughbeit?
>>583487129>playing a warlock >alliance There's already 4000 undead running around, now they are paladins and orcs can remove curses. I'm good lmao
>>583487619There's competitive pvp.You can duel.You can do premades.
>>583479495I think you are right, they are trying to hard to thread the needle between retail and classic and neither are going to stay
>>583487776Kinocringe
>>583487619thats when the real end game begins, Fishing
>>583481430if only she was a child
>>583484354there's playing a game and being good at it and then there's minmaxing it to death. Parsing in wow is retard easy and I actually have full '99s' for mulitple tiers. It's lame as fuck and you should play like you did in 2006
>>583487776PvP is pretty cringe right now
>>583487713Yeah and next up is the combination of quest hubs and flight paths. Alliance on Kalimdor is a joke. Horde only need to have one long ass travel to get the Badlands flightpath. Alliance on Kalimdor feels like you're doing that run about 20 times.I just hit 30 in Duskwood. Will now have to go to Menethil and cross the sea by boat then walk through Dustwallow Marsh, Southern Barrens and Thousand needles just to get to the raceway to keep questing. Mirage Raceway is the cherry on top the Horde get right after questing in 1k Needles right next door.
>>583485615>they shake the camera frame because they can't actually animate the blade clashing physics.
>>583486171true
>>583479495>>583487619damn you guys played the level 60 experience already?
>>583487619It looks like all PvP will still be boring instanced shit
>>583488034Nah that's just you
>>583487619The beta is literally still going. You insufferable niggers need to figure out what's wrong in your own lives instead of sperging out at everything else.
>>583487619>not even competitive pvpno one is playing WoW for competitive pvp anyway, it's just a means to gear, for the lulz or CoD babies who can't handle SBMM. When it was the only game in town with wizards and shit it made sense but not when there are so many better pvp options out there
>>583479114nice feet
>>583488089>It looks like all PvP will still be boring instanced shityeah because we're playing on a retarded megaserver with a thousand different layers
>>583487458I think they should’ve added a desert or xeric shrub land zone for alliance with black human desert nomad npcs.
i just found out you can keybind the stealth button or the "special key button" above button 1 bar 2
>>583484289>10what are you a casual?
>>583488178>streamer starts to lose>"can anyone layer me quickly"its pretty funny how this is already happening, payo was doing it earlier
Anyone else going to wait some time to start playing, like a week or so after release to avoid the crowding in the starting areas? I'm not going to race to 60 anyway and I'd like a more developed economy
>>583488178The layers autosort you based on behavior, champ.If you find yourself being grouped with lots of ninja tagging, antisocial assholes well... that really ought to tell you something.
>1fp
>NOOOOO I HAVE TO DO BGS FOR GEAR INSTEAD OF GANKING PEOPLE I will enjoy raping you in AV anon, butter that butt for me boy.
Alliance>Feathermoon Stronghold, Feralas, literally the opposite side of the fucking world>"Hey I need a book from Ruth'teran, can you go get it">go all the way north to Teldrassil>"Yeah I'll give you the book but I only if you get me picture of this big turtle first, you'll need a camera though">go all the way back south to fucking Tanaris to get a camera>go to Hinterlands where the turtle actually is>take a picture, don't even kill the thing>go back to Teldrassil for the book>go back to Feralas to do the rest of this quest that had absolutely nothing to do with any of the above for some trash greensHorde>"EY BRUDDA A GIANT TURTLE STOLE MY BAIT, KILL IT MON">go kill turtle>"EY THANKS MON">quest complete, get unique +25 fishing rod that has no Alliance counterpart>avoid sitting in desolace for 2hrs or save 50g to get the worse +20 fishing rod that alliance have to get
>>583487776cringe compared to Duskwood, but I went out to the Shammy quest spot to see what wss going on there and that PvP was kino
>>583488476you will be rushing the enemy leader in AV like always don't kid yourself
>>583488302The fact you can 'bank' your forced layer transfer warning and use it to get out of danger is pretty funny.
>>583488413Im talking about the fact that everytime you change zones or even subzones it layers you, they said its a bug theyre going to fix but I doubt it
>>583488338I already asked for a day off work for release.
>>583488480theres new rods
>me and my friend started as undead back in 2007, mage (me) and warlock (him)>have been horde mains our entire wow lives>play alliance sparingly, but mains stay horde>he wants to roll alliance on forever, claiming they have better players now (he's been playing alliance on cata/mop classic)>show him olympus>show him my beta footage of alliance letting horde gangrape my character in open world pvp>tell him how shit alliance leveling is in classic wow>show him the lack of shamans because no one wants to play dwarf>show him how busted horde racials are right now while only human looks good for alliance>he likes paladin in later expansion and loves undead so even try to shill him into wanting to play ud pally>tell him that the pvp server faction locks you so you cant switch between them>says he doesn't care and still wants to go allianceGoddamnit. And the worst part is, I know all the retoilet playing trans freaks are going to roll horde, and a majority of them probably skelf too. But I still really dont want to play alliance bros, what do I do? How do I convince him to roll horde?
I still can’t pick what to play and it’s driving me insane
okay combat rogue is fucking fun wtfi was struggling with an undead onebut it seems the 2% crit and 5% spirit really make a difference in leveling as a human
>>583488587>>583488614>>583488615>>583488583>>583488563>>583488524So Undead always have their big stinky niggertoes out?
>>583488480Chad World Traveler vs Virgin Non-Explorer
>>583479495This is someone's son...This is my sissy cumsock...
>>583488338I'm going to assume the servers will be on fire so I will be ready to play another game/watch some shit on my other monitor and if I can get in without everything imploding then I'll probably just level all my alts to 5-10/set up professions+bank stuff.
if shamans are gonna be this shit no one is gonna fucking play them and raid leaders finna lose their mind when the melee groups whine about not having wf.
>>583488563Yeah but I'll be running you down on the way
>>583488165>>583488658what's with this thread and feet?
>open plebbit>"WOW forever should bring back VARIAN!"Its all so tiresome
HORDES ARE ATTACKING
>>583488908>OH NO! MUH HECKIN FOREST!!
>>583488902Varian was literally in Alcaz island in niller
>>583488480>not having the arcanite rodlmao, noshoes are so pathetic
>>583488951save the forest dude
>>583488873Its a shitpost bot
>RogueAssassinate healers, infiltrate to capture objectives>Priest and PaladinHeal and support damage dealers>DruidAll of the above + tank objectives>ShamanHeal and dive the backline to nuke enemy healers>Mage, Warlock, HunterMain damage dealersWhat do warriors bring to battlegrounds?
>>583487619>There's nothing to do at 60, not even competitive pvp. Grim.What do you niggers want, Skyrim-tier random quests? Infinite levels?"There's nothing to do except all the content at 60, which I am bored with." is what you meant to say. You, personally, don't like raiding. Therefore you sould just go play Skyrim instead. Uncap the levels with a mod, there's no AH or LFG to worry you, and you won't ever need to interact with another human being again.
>>583488902he never went anywhere... hes in buttrape prison island
>>583489107big penis
DialogueUI is mandatory
>>583489107Pressure, a quick gap closer than no one else hasMortal Strike if the pet doesn't
>>583489107ungna bunga high pressure or something
>>583486685>>583487096post more thick elves NOW!
>>583489147We want activites outside raiding and pvpHousing, actual trading business, setting up shop, radiant quests, random encounters
>>583489257Nah
>>583489036>>583489194Lets bring Garrosh back too then, also make everything undead about Sylvanas. Then we'll have retail 2.0 we all hoped for with its fucking character drama
>>583489107Warriors used to be the ones required to kill a target due to exclusive mortal strike access and big burst damage. Now that hunters have mortal strike, and more damage than warriors, warriors aren't needed at all in bgs. Ranged classes dealing more damage than warrior / rogue is stupid.
>>58348250920+ years of FOMO conditioning people into wanting to do everything immediately before its obsolete in the next patch.
>Shadowfang Keep & Scarlet Monastery>Two of the most rewarding and prestigious leveling dungeons ever to exist>Both located in horde starting zones>NOT EVEN JUST HORDE ZONES>BUT FUCKING HORDE TUTORIAL AREAS THAT DON'T EVEN REQUIRE THEM TO FLAG>Meanwhile alliance gets... uhhh... Gnomergan>Which of course can be easily teleported to if you're horde>Said teleporter located in a neutral city where 50 elite goblins will spawn and net you if you even date touch a single hair on a hordies head>oh BTW said neutral city is connected to a major horde hub in barrens, another leveling zone that doesn't require horde to be flagged>meaning horde can travel to what should be a near exclusive alliance dungeon... without ever being at risk of pvp... for a single moment
>>583489330Yea
>>583488480>>583488615>>583489038You don't actually need +fishing skill, there are no fish in Vanilla that require you to have above cap fishing skill to catch.
sayonara bitches
>>583489497You missed some quest sbud
>>583483263Not sure if I like the legacy system, it's kinda fun that you get something from leveling alts but some of those talents seem bit too good.But one Bonus I would love to see is class recourses stacking/stacking higher. Like Warlock soul shard could stack 1-5-10-15-20. Hunter arrows could stack 200-400-600-800-1000 etc. or
>>583489370warriors still have burst and have bleeds, which nothing can remove and ignore armor
>>583489365Garrosh is being a ropecel in Outland around this time, retard.
>>583488625I'm in the same boat and my friends are also convinced they will only play on the pvp ruleset (and maybe HC once it's out). I don't want to abandon them, but I can't fucking stand playing the cuck faction on pvp. Alliance literally always loses, everyone is practically a pacifist. Why did they roll pvp if they were never going to help attack a single horde on the roads while they are mowing down all the questers in wetlands?
>>583489460>>583489038You missed the point.
>>583489460you will in forever, you need the epic fish drops
>8pm>tower in northshire valley ringsk i n o
>>583487436No saar they will make epic horizontal progression where you go to pink raid, get pink gear to do more damage in pink raid.And then you go to blue raid to get blue raid gear to get more damage in blue raid.And also you will be forced to run all the raids for the 0.1% chance of dropping an overstated item that is BIS forever.
>>583489561>burstWas dependent on old rage formulas. With new rage they need 9 seconds to use a single mortal strike
>>583489561They'll give Paladins and Hunters a remove bleed spell
>>583489365Garrosh is stuck in Outland though. Varian literally existed in Vanilla you mongoloid.
if anything outside of raids give player power then dadgamers will piss and moan about being forced to play
>>583489575What part of "make the world the main character" instead of retail bullshit did you not understand?
>>583489635Nothing they've said or announced even points to this being the case. Horizontal progression is having the level cap stay at 60, forever.
>>583489698kek nice dress fag
Can any anons with beta access tell me if my name is taken so I can gauge if I need to pay for name reservation? First name: Anti, last name:Semite
>>583489107For WSG it's:>druidFC>rogueDefend flag room>hunterDefend higher up>shamanPurge, burst, WF>paladinCleanse, heal>warriorMS>warlockDefend higher up, burst>priestHeal>mageCC, peel, FCLess familiar with AB, but>druidUseless>rogueDefend>paladin, priest, shaman, warriorSame as WSG
>>583489783Man can't be a warrior if he's wearing a dress, has to be a paladin
>>583489393everyone who played this game for more than two minutes knows horde is the favored easymode faction due to being the opressed PoC in the eyes of the californian devs, what's the point of posting about it
>>583489393Lmao the Barrens.The Barrens is such a fucking obscene zone man.Every horde race gets funneled into then carried from 10 to 25.Alliance players meanwhile gotta bounce between Westfall, Loch Modan and Darkshore, leading to literal HOURS of wasted time spent on mindless travel.All while some little timmy orc hunter is just holding down W with his monitor turned off and that's good enough to skip practically half the leveling experience.
>>583489783
>>583489681bop removes bleeds no?
>alliance get to watch a cinematic quality 30 minute cutscene of varian hatefucking onyxia at the end of their attunement questline in forloumm, hordekeks?
>>583489325>HousingWill immediately be called "retoilet slop", screencap this>actual trading business, setting up shopThat's what the AH is for, unless you mean buying actual space in cities which, unless there's allowable stacking, result in plots of land going for astronomical amounts of money. If you mean instanced Player shopping districts for infinite space, no one is visiting your blacksmith shop that's on 514th street and Broadway>radiant quests"Retoilet slop", "dailies", etc.>random encountersWill all be found and WoWheaded within a week. Just be honest, you want to play Skyrim with the occasional visit from a friend. Fallout 76 might be more your style, to be honest.
>>583489775>Nothing they've said or announced even points to this being the caseTwo words from the deep dive:>(((chase items)))
>>583489783This was before he had a glow-up after spending 2-3 years in Ogrestan. His character arc is that he was a weak, ineffective ruled that became Goku after training with ogres and fighting in the arena.
>>583479495I'm fine with that.
Is Aggrend going to make a second version of this with spell power for paladin tanks?
>>583489881this is what happens when you have a vocal minority and lgbt community which exclusively rolls horde. the squeaky wheel gets the grease
>>583490064Paladins tanks should go after some other legendary mainhand
>>583489986Fucking retard fuck off
