Epic for the Win Edition>Blizzard’s new version of World of Warcraft, based on its original 2004 release. Currently in beta, it will feature more than 1,000 new quests, nine new dungeons, new race/class combinations including Undead Paladins and Dwarf Shamans, and more. Level 60 will remain the maximum level cap forever.>News, Dev Blogposts & Podcasthttps://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/>Patch Noteshttps://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-forever-beta-development-notes-%E2%80%93-updated-september-24/2360696>Talent Calculatorhttps://forevertalents.up.railway.app>DatesThe beta ends on October 21.Name reservations on October 27.The journey begins on November 4.Thread Themehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ohkgdQj8G8>Previous Thread>>584618545
schizoid BTFO
You beat the schizo from making his troon flag thread. Prepare for more spam.
We will not negotiate with the schizo terrorist edition.
why wont blizzard add body type 3
miss me yet?
Why?
>>584632579>no meatliterally white people ideal/peak body type, small waist with WIDE birthing hips, not a hog pleaser>men faggotsthey're ripped and superman bodied, people just don't know how to customize them properly, and their animations could be improvedhell, they look better than retail belves, they have better hair options
>>584632791Good, treat it like you would a child screaming until it gets its way, it only gets worse if you cave
>>584632809>couldn't handle the riot MMONah, good riddance.
>>584632809he was one of the worst devs we ever had
he's gonna kill himself now
>Come here to rejoice about the Elemental Shaman changes (I have been the most vocal bitcher of all about them all this time)What do I see instead of happiness? Fucking joyless faggots being miserable.You stupid fucks. You don't get it do you? What has just happened to Elemental Shaman in this one patch is fucking monumental. If you're complaining then you cannot even fathom the quality of the changes we've just received.We had no big WoW E-Celeb streamer talking about our spec because none of them play Elemental Shaman. I fully expected that we'd go through this beta with minimal changes and that would be it, we'd be screwed forever because they don't make big sweeping changes to talents after beta.WE GOT EVERY POSSIBLE GOOD OUTCOME WITH THESE CHANGES. DRILL THAT INTO YOUR FUCKING HEAD.The only thing we are missing is Chain Lightning damage, which yes is still fucked but that is just a numbers change and I am optimistic as fuck that we'll get that chain lightning buff in due time, I'm not even worried about it AT FUCKING ALL.But the talent switch up? Holy fucking shit. Dude, we won so hard. How the fuck are you doomposting about these changes?Even outside of our specs talent tree we won. Resto getting the Hit talent moved up to the first row IS UNBELIEVABLY GOOD.Water Shield triggering off of all crits is top tier for us too.Flame Shock having a talent that increases the damage AND NOW DURATION of the dot is P E R F E C T.Earthbound has now been moved all the way down to the 4th row. Holy fucking shit YES.Lava Burst moved down 2 whole rows.Elemental Mastery as the new capstone talent and yes I know some of you are disappointed that it isn't the crit monster it was but this shit is still fucking amazing.We have just inherited the fucking world and you're complaining because they haven't yet rebuffed the damage of CL (100% coming soon tm) and because EM isn't the same as it was previously? Come the fuck on now.I am so happy.
30% my ass. this shit doesn't proc. it's bugged
>>584632809What did he do wrong, again?
/wowfg/ CensusRacial changes are live, it's time to decide anon: Who are you?>https://poal.me/l37iai>https://poal.me/gqwaav>https://poal.me/1fi7yo
>>584632883READTHEPATCHNOTES
>>584632676I want to play an orc or troll shaman but I dont think they look good on the felsteed
>>584632862one can hope
>>584632883cant proc off of dot ticks, only the application
ALERT! ALERT!Skyborne's 3% """haste""" isn't actually haste it's just attack/cast speedThat means no dot/hot tick speed buff, no energy regen buff, just more speed that gets watered down by all your already existing speed talents
Orc status?
>>584632973ok I applied like 20 dots and it doesn't proc.
male human paladinfemhuman warlockfemnelf druid simple as
>>584632992>That means no dot/hot tick speed buff, no energy regen buff, just more speed that gets watered down by all your already existing speed talentsretailer identified
>>584632992that's still op
>>584633010Still the best race in the game and alliancecucks are desperate to act like their "nerfs" did anything.
We are now all back to playing Alliance.
>>584632934Remember to create a character right after the servers go live or you will be stuck with horde.
>>584632992Is that supposed to turn me off from picking them? Can't believe you're trying to downplay 3% haste lmao
>>584633087no it isn'ti already have like 80% speed on my survival hunter's attacks wtf am I gonna do with 3% more
I'm thinking>AllianceDwarf Rogue>HordeTroll Shaman
>>584632805They'll add the goats and the goats are inherently body 3
This is what scientologists actually believe.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxTBgApS0Lg
>>584633129you can create character on name reservation, you get whatever side you like
>>584633129>already paid $60 to guarantee i get my faction of choiceim not worried
>>584632910Too chuddy
did he get hardware banned? or did the meth finally wear off?
Goats
so do these patch notes mean they're doubling down on elemental shamans doing half the dps of a ret paladin
>>584633284past his bedtime
Bal'a dash, malanore /wowfg/.
Skyhigh quality for rock bottom prices!
Plainsrunning status?
Can't wait to watch a whole new batch of race tier list videos bros. It's gonna be so based.
Am I high or do feral tanks put like 42 talent points all into feral? If so, are there any other specs in the game that are so stacked into their tree?
>>584632821Wait are Touch of the Grave and Touch of the Dead different abilities?
>>584633352here's my favorite blood elf
odds i make a sandwichevens i have some ice creamdubs i go to bed
>>584633479They're the same, it's just the ai generated patch notes having a laugh.
>>584633334yeah dude they are totally gonna have one dps spec that just sucks balls, hehe
>>584633486sex with this bloodelf
>>584633498eat an icecream sandwich in bed
>>584633452HUGE RACIAL CHANGESITS CONFIRMEDTHEY FINALLY DID ITthe soviets had the right idea with gulags
>>584633462Prot Warrior
>>584633498Eat your ice cream, fucking fatty.
>>584633512oh okay
>>584633498trips and you give me all your beta goldeither way, enjoy your ice cream, piggy.
>>584633352sorry, i only speak american
>>584633538what if she gets pregnant
>>584633334>so do these patch notes mean they're doubling down on elemental shamans doing half the dps of a ret paladinYes. But it doesn't matter now because raids only need to bring 1 resto shaman and they're set.Woo!
>>584633593You need 2 shaman for all the relevant totem buffs
>>584633452same i need to know whats BiS now
Ahh, there he is
>>584633638>You need 2 shaman for all the relevant totem buffsOk so maybe they bring 2 resto shamans if they're sweaty. But there's never a reason to bring an ele or an enhance over a real dps spec.
>>584633586then i sex her even more and take responsibility, duh
>Skyborne Elemental ShamanOh yes, it's gaming time alright. I absolutely WILL be enjoying my 3% haste thank you very much.
>>584633010Dead tier. Only played by cuck fetishists who may or may not be brown.
This guy knows his shit regarding ShamansHe is right, DPS Shams are garbage, and the changes today didn't make anything betterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC8cpHAELTwIt's over, being garbage on retail for 10 years wasn't enough
Raid leaders having to puzzle together the best raid teams with the members online was an essential part of Classic. This raidwide shit is more retail slop worming its way into the game and a sign of what's in-store for the future.
>Swipe buffed>Consecrate gutted>Paladins now the worst aoe tankswhat a strange turn of events
TURTLEBROS THEY'RE MOCKING US
>>584633769>and the changes today didn't make anything betterIn fact: it made it worse.
>>584633769>doomgarbageill pass. buy an ad too, faggot
>>584633809More likely it's a remnant of them incorporating the turtle code
>>584633795Thats what players get for breaking the economy via Stratholme in TBC anniversary.
tauren cows should be able to eat herbs like food i think or maybe they could have an ability called graze and it's like cannibalize but it only works in certain biomes instead of requiring a corpse
>>584633853He's right though. Enhance is gigafucked. Ele is even gigafuckeder.
>>584633871i can't tell if this is bait or ignorant zoomer shit
>>584633742needs a cage on that clitty
>Elemental Mastery: [...] and removes the cooldown from Chain Lightning for 15 seconds.FOR THE LOW PRICE OF 31 TALENT POINTS, YOU TOO CAN SPEND 3,000 MANA CASTING ENOUGH CHAIN LIGHTNINGS TO DEAL AS MUCH DAMAGE AS A SINGLE FLAMESTRIKE
>>584633885its ok my hunter will do it now with traps
>>584633769buy an ad
>>584633938He's not right.
>>584633949Its a joke, autist.
>>584633790Are you implying that they... won't still have to do this?
>>584633153what more than 30% from aspect of the hawk?alsothese things also often work multiplicatively
You know the Walk on Air racial... can you just sit in the air casting on people below you with it?
>>584633976elemental is now a certified WSG spec
>>584634004maybe put a giant warning in your post that say "IM BEING FACETIOUS" then you little lil bitch
>enhance shaman>hybrid tax>no utility that a resto shaman can't bring Enhance shaman seem really cucked in Forever.
>>584634089It's literally just a 10s goblin glider
>>584634089No it'll be more like this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z29Rk8814w
>>584634089You can cast instant casts while falling, yes. Great for druids.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPpaG4Bubwk
>>584634089Even better. You can miscalculate how much air you're going to get, accidentally have your toes touch the ground after gliding 1.7 feet forward, and then have it go on cooldown.
>>584634064Does it look like they will you fucking RETARD? I'm sorry that was rude, I didn't mean to call you that you just made me so ANGRY
>>584633010
>>584634205I hate this fag's music choices so much
HUH!
It is insane how massive the difference between 100% hp/mana regen and 10% move speed is.Horde elves got fucked by greens.
>>584634205I love this fag's music choices so much
>>584630826every spec is really simple to play though
>>584634464What does that have to do with anything the guy you're responding to said?
>>584633452>IT'S HERE>THEY ACTUALLY DID IT...>UNBELIEVABLE CHANGES...>PATCH NOTE TRAUMA>WE ARE *NOT* READY FOR THIS YET...
>>584634419HUAH ah Augh
The tranny guy has been distracted to /v/ for now. ive managed to divert his attention.
why cant i find cute boys to play with me
>>584634612Because you're 360lbs, have a cock and balls, don't leave your gamer chair, don't brush your teeth, don't clean, and smell like shit.
>>584634678LEAVE HER ALONE
>>584632676Here's to hoping:>Dalaran is an Alliance kingdom instead of the Justice League>Frozen Throne characters are actual characters instead of raid fodder>Lich King Ner'zhul>The Eredar have godlike power and corrupted Sargeras>No Gilneas/Alliance worgen>No pandas>No vulpera>No million and one types of elf>No dragon furries>No furries in general>Factions stay thematic. Alliance gets typical high fantasy noble hero races, Horde gets barbarian hero monsters and dark Halloween monsters (Blizzard can have a mulligan on the sky elves)>The Burning Legion are the ultimate bad guys with nothing beyond them>The Scourge were just a plot by the Burning Legion that went awry>The Old Gods and their followers are mysterious eldritch Lovecraft dudes that we never ultimately learn much about>Arcane magic is subtlety kind of evil, but not as evil as fel magic (though they may be related in some way)>Elves that consume too much arcane magic turn into naga>There isn't a bunch of weird shit where they're trying to imply that the Holy Light is evil, but they clearly can't decide what the Holy Light even is and it changes interpretations every five seconds>Humans are not the retard babies of viking giants from Hyperboria who were once Titan golems but got flesh aids from the Old Gods>No brown orcs>No missing link troll ancestor OCs that were there the whole time>No half elf empire>No million and one islands popping up from out of nowhere>No timey wimey wibbly wobbly
>>584634678those all seem like really specific traits, anonmayhaps you're projecting
What the FUCK is this??
TL DR on changes:>Shamans are no longer required in each group>Ele Shaman is still dogshit>Only Shaman brought will be Resto>1 Feral and 1 Boomkin will be brought to each raid>Holy Paladin is still shit>Prot Paladin with enough gear will be the best solo farmer>Orc racials nerfed TO THE GROUND>Dw*rves buffed because no one plays them>Skyborne are now great choices for Druid and Mage>Affliction Warlock got some serious gains but depending on how spells scale later it might still be shit>Premades will be faced with premades in bgs which will mean that "solo queue" will be infested with smaller premades 3-4 people>AV honor nerfed and other bgs honor increasedWatch people drop dps shamans from the rosters like the plague now. All because Aggrend wanted to force everyone into dw*rf
>>584633712what if numbers aren't the same as your reddit sims? what if they do good dps?
my only hangup with druid is the gearing, especially at endgame, how the fuck do you do it?I take feral gear as a healer in dungeons but that's because we're low level, rolling against dps classes for feral bis as a healer seems like a nigger move
>>584634789>Orc racials nerfed TO THE GROUNDYou misspelled "Undead"
>>584634797Nothing wrong with a dps rolling for dps gear. unless you manage to group with some retards which is very likely.
>>584634789You can keep posting this all you want, nobody gives a fuck. You're factually wrong about almost everything you just wrote.
>>584634789Have you considering deleting your warcraft character IRL?
Orc racials nerfed from 2000% better than all the others to a mere 1300% better
>>584634205why is cat damage like thisliterally how do they kill anyone
>>584632825>only like human female bodyWhat’s wrong with me?
>>584634789>>Prot Paladin with enough gear will be the best solo farmerthey have capped damage, they will get mogged by hunter with the traps
>>584634762two things can be true at once, anonmayhaps I'm speaking from experience to a fellow 4chan loser
>>584634757>No brown orcsThere's already one in the Riverglades
>>584634528maybe try reading his post
>>584634861if I roll for upgrades to ALL of my specs I end up rolling on like half of all the gear that dropsbut if I only get healing gear as a healer, I'll get further and further behind when I swap to dps
>>584633968He's ftm, doesn't have a cock.
I am a druid healcuck pvp'er that raids 8pm central Americat. where do I look for a guild. Give me the deets friends.
>>584634757>>Dalaran is an Alliance kingdom instead of the Justice LeagueConfirmed, for now.>>Frozen Throne characters are actual characters instead of raid fodder>>Lich King Ner'zhul>>The Eredar have godlike power and corrupted SargerasThey won't appear.>>No Gilneas/Alliance worgen>>No pandasThese are happening whether you or I or anyone likes it.>>No vulpera>>No dragon furriesNot happening.>>No million and one types of elf>>No brown orcsAlready happened.>>No million and one islands popping up from out of nowhere>>No timey wimey wibbly wobblyThese are going to happen eventually, Kalimdor and EK are only so large.>the restMeh.
>>584634787It's your reminder you will only be allowed to raid as Resto now
>>584635109>posted it again award
>>584635067I did, faggot. You clearly didn't, because he said nothing about being worried about druid specs being complex. Cat form isn't simple either, btw.
>>584635182Shut up and put on the dress, orc sissy
doomsissies are getting more and more hystericalrelease will be kino
Am i crazy or is rogue energy gain lower now than it was with ticks?
What are some good Tauren names?Russell CoweWagyu SteakYourwifes Bull
>>584635318this but unironically
>>584635341>good
>>584635341Ozzy Pawsbourne, druid
>>584635371I was being unironical
>>584633010Easily best race on the horde. Human is ridiculous though, I guess it doesn't matter they invalidate horde rogues. They need double crit too
He's still posting gore in my sally whitemane thread on /v/ this guy is definitely wierd
>>584634789>Affliction Warlock got some serious gains but depending on how spells scale later it might still be shitnothing changed retard
>>584635318>release will be kinoonly if you manage to roll alliance before the lockouts
>>584633930I would take this over the dogshit cultivate ability.
>>584635318Genuinely what new additions are you excited for?
>>584635463All the casters are trying to psyop cucks into playing warlock so mages/moonkin/spriest are rarer (and more valued) by comparison. Probably a few tanks and healer who want healthstones and summons, too.
>>584633010No more zug just cuck
>>584634797MS > OS>>584635082Cost of a hybrid, pick one per run for the role instead of picking to be brown
I'm going to be completely real with you all.If I buy a sub for this game and I can't pick my preferred faction, I'm getting a refund. You aren't just locking me out of playing what I want, who the fuck do you think you are?>Um, no sorry, you can't pick human because... BECAUSE YOU JUST FUCKING CAN'T OKAY??? ROLL HORDENo, I don't think I will, actually.
>>584635273>and I'm afraid the simplified controls of a cat or bear form might get boring in raids...I responded that every spec is simpleand yes cat form is simple lol, you press rake, shred and rip
>>584635701PvE has no faction lock
rate the comp
So what are these extra treasures dwarves can find? Apples and linen cloth?
>Blizzard™ classic+>dps shamans are EVEN LESS viable than they were in classichow is this even possible
>>584635341Angus Stormpike, Tauren Hunter. As a calf he was raised by an eccentric dwarven petty noble who read him Hemet Nesingwary novels as bedtime stories, now he seeks to become a true hunter like his childhood hero.
>>584635592>genuinely>dishonest questionyou disgust me
>Alliance skyborne can regenerate their whole fucking mana bar every 2 minutes, druids with innervate and mages with mana gem and evocate literally cannot run out of mana EVER>Horde skyborne can walk 10% faster but it doesn't stack with anything and it's on a race where most classes already move faster than thatHorde boycott when?
how would kojima design your class
>>584635064>>584635090We should petition Blizzard to get rid of the brown orcsAnd we should never accept the return of Gilneas worgen or pandas.
I bought an extra copy just for the extra name reservations.Browns and other assorted poorfags may now reply to this post with wojaks and other reaction images that imply me to be a person of ill repute.
>>584635783Oh shit, for real?Alright then, panic averted.
>>584635785You're too low iq to be making raid comps lil bro
>>584635785Shamans should group with casters if WF and other stat buffs are raid wide. They can still give casters mana tide
>>584635843They're making absolute sure that the Horde Skyborne will never be anything other than the dedicated girlfriend race.
>>584635441Everyone invalidates rogues with all the stealth detection tossed around.
>>584635785why have rogues at all
Which class has no right to complain?
>>584635780You were saying every spec, not every druid spec. I understand now. Faggot.>>584635843>doesn't stack with anything>explicitly stacks with everything???
Is the alliance skyborne racial really just infinitely better than horde?Why can't I have my cake and eat it? I wish I could be a Sky Elf Shaman with the regen racial.
>>584635964based
>>584635981because they do the most damage
of course alliance racials will be stronger, they need an incentive to get people to play the gay faction with human, small human, even smaller human, and legolasno self-respecting male would play it natty
>>584635990paladins
>>584635858Why to either? Mag'har orcs are oddities because, up until Forever, it was assumed none actually went through the Dark Portal. Gilneas is right next to the evil wizard tower that worgens come from. Pandaren will happen because they were an integral element of Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne, whether they're a playable race or just NPCs remains to be seen.
Blood Fury should have stayed at 2 mins, now it doesn't synch up with CDs what a pain
>>584636030that remains to be seen
>>584635990Rogues. Because everyone seems to have forgotten what they were like in vanilla at max level.
>>584635990I'm banned from posting pictures, but please pretend I posted a picture of a gnome mage looking smug.
>>584635981to EA the second and third mobs while warriors sunder the firstbut no rogue is good enough to do that so yeah just bring warriors instead
>>584636068>they were an integral element of Warcraft 3: The Frozen ThroneFetid bait
>>584632805Isn't body type 3 a fat guy in most other games?
Reminders for everyone having total bussy meltdowns about spec X:>itemization at 60 is largely unknown>more balance changes are highly likely
>>584636112>gnomenigger is a pedophileshocking
>>584636272no it's a femboy
>>584635843Horde deserve nothing but the worst things in life. Fucking bandwagon training wheels pvp faction.
>>584635815uhhh okay sounds exciting I guess bro have fun
>>584636296That's a rather extreme accusation.
>>584636043But white people already pick alliance since they can't immerse themself in a world where their cities are just mud huts or sewers.
I wonder how many people here would choose body type 3. I bet it would be a lot.
>>584633976I wanted to make a little shitter dwarf elemental shaman who would fast cast lightning bolts with the original permanent casting speed increases + extra lightning crit and pair it with the farseer capstone on enhancement for extra cast speed. Now they removed the lightning crit talents, made the speed boost only for 15sec and tied to a 3 min cool down, and removed spell cast speed increases for farseer.My day is ruined.
>>584636371you too
>>584636238They appear in multiple campaigns in The Frozen Throne, Chen Stormstout isn't the only pandaren brewmaster wandering about Azeroth.
>>584636043You just know this hordenigger is a furfag cuck retard who can't pvp without training wheels.
>>584636272>>584636326You're both wrong, body type 3 is Hulk in both City of Heroes AND swtor.
>>584636382post an example of said body type
>>584635843You do realize their regen racial is only for their spirit, right?
>>584636383>I wanted to go down 31 points deep into enhancement while still calling myself an Ele shamanYou're a retard.
>>584634787Hell yeah! Elemental shamans got what we've been asking for this whole time...SPELL RESISTANCE!
>>584636501>read ley line>eat/drink>full hp/mana in 3 seconds
>>584636119>use the star of the show to do nothing but boost hybrid taxed warrior dps by like 5%
>>584636535wut?
>>584636068>Mag'har orcs are oddities because, up until Forever, it was assumed none actually went through the Dark Portal.Normal orcs are green. Orcs that have gotten so high on fel magic and demon's blood that they start to mutate are red. Brown orcs were Metzen having a brain fart.Arugal didn't create the Gilneas worgen in Cata lore. His proximity to Gilneas was incidental. The Gilneas worgen were created by the Scythe of Elune because apparently it wasn't dark sorcerers in Karazhan who sent the worgen and dark riders to find the Scythe for some unknown, nefarious purpose, but the Scythe itself created the worgen who are actually just wolf druids who murdered everyone they came across because uhhhhh and seemed to be working with the dark riders because uhhhhhhhhh and then it got sent up into Gilneas from Duskwood because uhhhhhhhhThe Panderan are okay so long as they remain weird foreigners from a far away land. But just say no to playable pandas.
>>584636501It boosts all regenThat means natural mp5, blessing of wisdom, and eating/drinking are all doubled
why does it feel good when people call me a girl when im playing girl characters
You faglords are confusing me, half of you are saying alliance Skelf is broken with their regen, the other half is saying that the regen is mehWHICH IS IT?Also how FUCKED am I for going a horde Skelf?
ALEXENSUAL RUNS THIS GENERAL
>>584636568what's the point of the racial if you still eat and drink
>>584636642>hordeThis is your first mistake.That faction is doa.
>>584636609Pre-wow lore is so much better with the Worgen just being dimensional demons that took over silverpine and Arugal tries to make an army out of them but is just a plaything for them
>>584636609why is arugal not a worgen?
how's this for deep frost pvp, winter's chill now worth taking because of CoC changes?feels bad having almost nothing in arcane but there are just so many things to get in frost
>>584636568regen is only spiritfood is restore, not regen
>>584636631it doesnt thoughmistress on the other hand...
>>584636580As someone who started as a rogue main and morphed into a warrior over the years I am rooting for you. But I will only take the best of the best rogues
They really backed themselves into a corner with frost mage and ice lance. It looks like they actually chose the path of 'frost mage isn't viable in raids' because giving them ice lance means they're going to break in pvp if you give them enough damage to be relevant in pve. Winter's chill was changed to...what?>Winter’s Chill: Redesigned. No longer increases critical strike chance. Instead, it causes Cone of Cold to deal 40% increase damage per stack of Winter’s Chill on the target, consumed by next Cone of Cold.>Winter’s Chill change to: Gives your Frostbolt, Frost Blast, and Fingers of Frost empowered Ice Lance spells a 20/40/60/80/100% chance to apply Winter’s Chill, increasing the target’s damage taken from your next Cone of Cold by 5% and it gains an additional 7% of your spell damage, stacking up to 5 times.I assume it's the worse version (latter). It's essentially improved cone of cold, which you can find on the row above. With full stacks, it exceeds the effect of imp coc at 230 sp (quite early), but how often will you have that many stacks? This change was obviously made due to mage complaints that explained that casting anything but ice lance into a frozen target is pointless. But raiding mages won't be coccing so they just lost 10% crit. And they also lost a bunch of ice lance damage. Not that I care lmaoEven funnier is frost blast. First they get rid of downranking proccing stuff, then they backpedal with a new spell instead. Not exactly surprising with the shifting power stuff, but this is even worse. Imagine being a new player, hitting 24 and seeing your new spell - frost blast. Uhh this is just rank 1 frostbolt? Why would I want this? Obviously the game doesn't tell you about the hidden mechanic of your lower rank stuff not proccing things. They wanted to get rid of contrived mechanics, and chose to replace it with an even more contrived approach.
>>584636642There is literally one faggot trolling and everyone else saying alliance skelf is busted.the horde-specific skelf racial is only really useful before 20 or after you get a mount. and even then, its nowhere near as impactful as the alliance version.>>584636683saves 30 seconds every time you need to eat and drink. If there's a ley line nearby, you just straight up don't need to eat/drink.
>>584636762Not sure if you are trolling, but a pvp spec without silence is retarded.
when will wowf get housing and pandas?
>>584636609>/wowfg/ - world of headcanon general
>blizzard just keeps ruining my class choice while buffing my secondariesGod FUCKING damnit. At this point I’m going to end up rolling a fucking Tauren prot war or Prot paladin…
All I know is int is crazy on hunter
>>584636594The top talent there elemental alacrity gave up to .5 sec reduced cast time permanently. They changed it to nature, frost, and fire resistance. To get the same speed boost now you need the capstone which only gives the same boost for a maximum of 15 seconds.
>>584636853>It looks like they actually chose the path of 'frost mage isn't viable in raids'Unironically great, classic-like design choice. Not every spec has to be great in everything, especially on a pure dps class.
the most frustrating thing about these racial changes is that they chose to homogenize, which gives the community a valid excuse to screech for weeks until they're changed again, meaning no one is safe when they pick their race on launch.
explain
Will my UI be saved with the in game hud layout thing so I can just import it on launch? What about all my settings as well?
>>584636854I have to go Horde though, I want to make an Elemental Shaman Skelf...Fug.
>dead zone>auto shot resets when you move>you and your pet have to use mana>have to buy/craft ammo and the best stuff is expensive>minus 1 bag slot while even the new reagent slot works for warlock shards but not for ammo>have to feed your pet constantly?>overpoppulated>meleeweaving though some people like it while others hate it>new auto shot 0.5 nerf>basically no utility >no disengage which is one of the most fun hunter abilities
>>584636858>silencegit gud, counterspell gets enough value by itself if you use it properly
>>584635785>no shadow mana battery
>>584636998taxed
>>584637029lol, ok champ
>>584636609I don't see what the problem with Mag'har is. Orcs in the Universal Fantasy Canon are supposed to be creatures born from corruption, that's literally what they are in Tolkien, and the Mag'har serve well as what orcs were before corruption.>cataI don't care about cata lore.>But just say no to playable pandas.Playable pandaren could work if they're treated as a "special" race, hard to unlock and limited to one per account.
>>584636998instant ranged slow is really powerfulgotta pay for it
dude do you see my mana?
Why is Furor even a talent? Just make it baseline at this point
damn, gnomes girls look like that?
>>584636998This is uncacceptable.I WANT MY SHAMAN SPELLS BASE DAMAGE BACK
>>584637067holy SHIT bro a 10 second school lock on top of the interrupt isn't enough for you? how fucking bad are you?any other opinions from someone outside the peanut gallery?
>>584637091What am I supposed to do for you
>>584637114>fleshlight lips
>>584637143you're laying it on a bit thick
Dwarves will never be happy until blizzard gives them a racial that lets them actually rape people
>>5846370053% haste is great and so is the free slowfall racial on a 90s cd. Seriously, don't underestimate the slowfall. It is directed and quick like a goblin glider, not slow and cringe like mage slowfall. Great for an enhance shaman to drop in on some fools who need a whallopin'
>>584637085
>>584637148ahahahahahaone of the most shameful performances I've ever seen
>>584636971wowhead calc is bugged. the tooltips are scrambled on some things.
>>584637148toppest of keks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7duX4QpVaAQmages will do this shit and then act surprised when people call out their busted hero class
I'm sick of mages getting preferential treatment. Literal buffed beyond belief because all the WoW youtubers are magefags.
What do y'all think the chances are that we get new abilities in book form, either at launch at 60 or further down the line?
>>584637190name a class that has two schools of healing spellsor a class that has two schools of damage spells that aren't also mitigated by frost/fire warding
>>584637319Mages are a core class like priests, warriors and rogues, they should be generically strong.
>>584637245its balanced as a buff for lava burst so it has to pay the tax
>>584636956It's literally just what the original lore was.Brown orcs are a total creation of TBC. Up to that point, normal orcs were green and orcs that went turbo mode from demon magic were red.The original implication of the Duskwood questline is that the discovery of the Scythe of Elune brought forth dark forces that are desperately looking for it. That included the worgen and the dark riders. Blizzard then claimed that the Scythe of Elune created the worgen, but not the dark riders because Blizzard hadn't thought it all the way through. The whole point was them doing lore backflips to try to link the worgen to the Night Elves (even though there's no worgen anywhere in northern Kalimdor) to justify the existence of Alliance worgen.The Panderan were always just a weird Easter egg race.
>>584637307>>584637319PvP doesn't matter anyway. Mage not that strong in the real game. Lock does better DPS.
>>584637348I'm starting to think you're being serious...Have you ever pvped in classic before? 4 second instant silence is extremely good to prevent priest fear, nature's swiftness, death coil, etc. There are a lot of strong instant abilities. Blocking them is extremely useful.
>>584637206https://bloodmallet.com/chart/warrior/fury/races/castingpatchwerkclassicfags can't into math. dwarf/tauren have this same racial on retail and are consistently one of the best dps races.
spriest is back on the table, really not sure if i want to play warlock or priest now. also horde or alliance, if i ever want to play a skelf alliance racial still fucks horde, can't believe it's such a disparity between them
>>584636762You're over the pvp hit cap. You take all the points away from hit and get it from gear. Alternatively, you put an equal amount of points into both frost and arcane hit because you don't want either to resist. Permafrost has now been slightly improved from its former forever state with the addition of frost blast. Hurray. Still garbage for blizzard (now a joke). You take it anyway. You need imp counterspell and arcane spell range increase. Spend your points accordingly.
>>584637464It's multiplicative in retail. It's additive in WoWF beta from what I've heard. However I suspect it's meant to be multiplicative. In that case it would be fairly well-balanced.
>>584637345man i hated this shit ability, just another buff you need to press and since it's warrior you can't press precombat a lot of the time
>>584637464who cares about retail faggot
>alex already given upmost predictable nigga to ever live
give hunters explosive shot and black arrow
>wake up>check racial changeswhy does Blizzard hate dwarves?why did they make humans even better?It seems like the guy in charge of this has no idea what he's doing
>>584637737>dwarf gets only racial buffs>wowfg for some reason - ERM GUYS WHY DID THEY NERF DWARVES?
>>584637737dw they'll change again before launch
>>584636851>best of the best roguesin your eyes that is someone that forgoes 50% of his own dps to boost yours by 5%, as expected of the typical egomaniac slab brain
humans are literally the only race you should consider playing
>>584637737It seems like they're all over the place for literally everything and instantly adjusting everything as soon as anyone says anything about anything. I got a bad feeling about this, scoob.
elves are the most attractive race
>>584637148hehe why are you like this chatBANNED
>>584637031I didnt realize they brought something useful, will keep that in mind
>>584637416Arugal is literally a mage of Gilneas, Cataclysm doesn't try to deny that the Worgen Curse in Gilneas comes from him.
>>584637836grok put her in froggy position
>>584637078>I don't see what the problem with Mag'har is.It's a weird inconsistency that doesn't need to exist. There's no indication anywhere that the green orcs aren't the normal orcs until TBC, and these orcs don't serve any kind of special purpose in the story. Metzen just created a plot hole from out of nowhere purely for the love of the game. Getting rid of the largely redundant brown orcs closes that plot hole.
>>584637148There's nothing I could have done
>>584637979Man I dont think you know what a "plot hole" is
>>584637548I had a suspicion the hit was overkill. Also I already have permafrost, unless you're suggesting imp blizz in which case lolno. I never took it even before the nerf. I don't care about the AV bridge. other mages can clean that shit up for meI disagree with what you claim is needed in arcane, I'm under the impression arcane geometry doesn't work with AE, so it's only sheep range. which is nice, the cs silence is also nice, but I've always gotten by without.if that's it then, I'll just redirect the fire/frost hit to arcane and call it a day
niggas be like "holy crap you can generate 35 silver every 15 minutes this racial is broken"
>>584637979There's a lot of weird inconsistencies that don't need to exist, Forever actually reintroduces some like the Brotherhood of the Horse and creates new ones like one of the two unimportant paladin leaders Arthas kills in Digging up the Dead, Sage Truthbearer, was somehow and for some reason risen as a death knight but Uther and the other one weren't.
>>584637954
>>584636447One appears in the bonus campaign as a side character, the other appears as a bonus hero in a single mission only obtainable by completing a secret missionNot exactly integral
>>584638189>black lotus is 35 silver
>>584638352because you're going to get a black lotus every time right?
>>584637954>>584638335do not put your dick in that.
>>584637416>(even though there's no worgen anywhere in northern Kalimdor)erm ackshully there's a place called the howling vale in Ashenvale, just south of the entrance to Felwood that has lvl30 worgen mobs and a tablet that praises Elune. This has never been used in any quest or acknowledged in any lore as far as I'm aware of
Are you all finally ready to admit that Turtle won?
I lost all hype for this game after the Shaman changes
>>584638408how is that an argument? you can DUPLICATE a 50g herb any time you come across it, without needing an herbalism skill over 300
>>584632676He's right you know
>>584637816On second thought imma bring warriors instead who know how to tab sunder
>>584638429Turtle is literally dead
Is Unarmed going to be a thing at all in forlo?
>>584638420Grok do the other Whitemane
>>584637938Arugal was a rogue mage of the Kirin Tor. I don't remember reading anything that said that he came from Gilneas. In fact, the lore up until Cataclysm was that Gilneas was an isolationist kingdom that told the Alliance to fuck off over some petty nonsense, marched their armies home, built that wall, closed the gate on it and threw away the key and no one had seen heads or tales of a Gilnean nor heard anything from their hermit kingdom ever since.
>>584638420ffs plug her already
>STILL NO INSTANT PYRO FIRE HEATING UPits fucking over
>>584638524just play the new purple pyro.
how come people only say go to retail and never go to rift or go to wildstar or go to swtor
>>584638345You forgot that Maiev meets one and that the Pandaren Brewmaster was added as a tavern hero in multiplayer.
>>584638452Why do people think classic+ means classic with retail shit. Classic+ means more content with the classic design philosophy
>>584638560because retail is an insult
Are there any sim sites out yet? I need to try out a few things
>>584638451I can already imagine the chinks salivating over a racial that lets them farm 1% more efficiently
>>584638487no
Sooooo racial changes are making everyone OPBlue elve now have 3% haste bonus
>>584638473Yet it won the hearts of many and provides an actual Classic+ experienceMeanwhile FAGever does mistake after mistake and now the forums have turned on Blizzard
>>584638560I would go to Wildstar if I could, unfortunately the gooks have it locked down in a vault somewhere.
blue elves make me cum inside of their bussies 3% faster
>>584638704I played turtle and it was mediocre. Forever is already superior.
>>584638629>1%you aren't understanding the point at all.black lotus is a rare node and important for endgame consumes. just by being a tauren you can pull one out of your ass and make 50g.horde just magically has a much larger supply of lotus.in the worst case you could have a bunch of taurens all cloning a single lotus spawn.
time for kino
>>584638452Are classicniggers reterded?They can say "go back to retail", but they can also be told to go back to Classic. Forever isn't their turf nor retailers'.
>>584638752You never actually played it if you think that
>>584638560i would be happy forever if we ever got ffxi classic
gnome or blue elf mage for launch
>>584638629Tauren is already the designated chink race for farming.
>>584638451You have to hold the racial until you find a black lotus, so it's providing you nothing during that time, and then you might not find one for hours. So it's a nice perk for tauren but it's definitely not worth running around looking for black lotus as a non herbalist since you're making 0 gold during that time.
theymade taurens racial stack while mountedthe herb thing works better now, for chinese farmers ofc
>>584638704>now the forums have turned on BlizzardAt no point has this ever not been the case.
Unpopular races should have stronger racials.
>>584638821gnome
>>584638854You're genuinely a fucking retard.
>>584638791>Forever isn't their turfyes it is>their>implying you aren't one of us>implying you're a retoilet>further supported by calling them "retailers" instead of their proper name, retoiletsgo back to your carnival queue sim nigger
So now that feral uses weapon damage are you limited to staves and 2 handed maces? One hander would be losing a lot of damage?
You know its coming.It pleases the wives and girlfriends without being too overbearing on the game world.It gives players reasons to horizontally progress through raids they don't have gear for.Its something that was (allegedly) planned for original classic, and has been (allegedly) asked for for years.Its probably not here on launch simply out of time crunch limitations, and/or because the Forever devs didn't want to scare away idiots.How long until player housing is ported into Forever?
HUNTERS IN SHAMBLEShttps://www.wowhead.com/forever/news/some-powerful-hunter-pet-abilities-nerfed-in-wow-forever-383460
I fucking hate blizzard for making every class too fun (except shammies holy shit what happened there?) I was SET on playing balance Druid. But now I’m getting the appeal of paladin and warrior too, and mage as well. IVE NEVER PLAYED MAGE AHHHHHH i used to main warlock cuz they had so many buttons but now every class has 500
>>584638761Is the new auction house not shared between horde and alliance? Will horde just have more rare herbs on their side?
>>584638763Sometimes, I can just tell when it's that time
How is this fair
>>5846389102 or 3 years. As long as it doesn't influence character power in any way whatsoever, then anyone complaining about it is just a retarded bitch that simply doesn't want other people to enjoy things. i don't care about it, will likely ignore it if it comes, but it's cosmetic RP shit so who gives a fuck?
>>584638910>allegedlyJohn Staats confirmed it.>Still, the buzz at the GDC did yield some interesting design discoveries that influenced our game. Allen Adham and the rest of the designers were particularly excited about a community simulation game called Animal Crossing. It gave birth to the idea of synchronizing our WoW’s day/night cycles to Earth’s sidereal time, meaning an in-game day lasted twenty-four hours. It spurred discussions about the merit of making players wait for rewards, and that anticipation could be an aspect of both immersion and player retention. The idea of waiting for a tree to bear fruit or a package to arrive in the mail infused our imaginations with what could be done with player housing.
>>584638957As far as I know it isn't shared. The neutral goblin AHs still exist.
>>584638957yeah it's cross faction
holy fuuuuuuuck bro, I could've won that fight if I just had 1% crit, I just fucking know it, I could've been the duel champion if I just had 1% crit, now I am nothing...
>>584638987Which part? Duplicating Black Lotus every 15min?
>>584638910>able to hang up memorabilia from raids and PvP >mannequins like Skyrim where you can unload different armor sets that you can click on to swap with your current so you can jump between specs or dungeon/raid/pvp/profession sets in a RP fashion I’m all for it desu
>Added ‘Auto Attack/Auto Shot’ setting. If enabled, Hunters will automatically switch between auto attack and auto shot. This is now also supported for gamepad.>Skyborne Wind Blessed: Haste bonus increased to 3% (was 1%).>Orc Axe Specialization: Replace with Savage: 1% increased critical strike chance.WHY DO THEY HATE FUN!!?!?
>>584638910>black womandid not exist in medieval england, not canon
>Touch of the Grave: Proc chance and cooldown adjusted to make benefit more consistent. Improvements made to visuals.undead bros we eating so fucking good
>5% hp and crit damage vs 3% haste>useless 20% speed buff I'll never stack vs useless 10% speed buff I won't use after cat form>printing money with herbalism vs not having to waste money on gliders>looking retarded in form vs looking retarded out of formHelp me choose, pls. That one fag who keeps posting his skelf OC need not respond.
man, FUCK skelves
>>584639089Stormwind is fantasy america, anon. The fact that they've got hillbilly farmers locked in a feud and a vietnam situation in STV didn't clue you in?
>>584639127Anyone with 2 braincells knows the touch of the grave change was a massive nerf on a comical level.
>>584632676
No troll nerfs phewGnomes got absolutely shafter lmao>Mace Specialization: Replaced with Earth Fury: 2% increased critical damage and healing.Why? Orcs get 1 % crit chance while EVERYONE elese gets now 2% stuffJesus christ
>>584636998Wasn't Frost Shock one of the most retardedly overtuned moves in vanilla
>remove race specific specialisations to make everyone “crit / heal more”Jesus fuck are they trying to ruin any flavour the game has in favour of ‘play what you want tehee”
>>584639228Humans got 2% crit thats even more fucked
· Wands now require you to stand still for 0.5 seconds before shooting, matching early versions of World of Warcraft.HAHAHAHA
>>584638809Yes I did. Let me tell you some things that underwhelmed or annoyed me.1. Effectively infinite rested XP. Made leveling way too easy.2. Instance additions. Sounds nice but it just makes shit longer. WC is long enough already.3. Class changes. I played mage and the fire stuff sucked ass. Hot streak was so weak it wasn't even worth taking. Frost made you play in melee to do decent damage, kinda interesting but extremely janky. Arcane had a version of arcane power (I forget what they called it) that would instakill you if you went under 30%ish mana. Retarded. I didn't play any other classes extensively but paladins were absurdly overpowered.3. New dungeons. They were OK, but very easy and had a ridiculous amount of trash.4. Hardcore. They shared the world with non-hardcore but you couldn't group with them. It was insanely gay doing early kill quests because there were hardcucks everywhere and you couldn't group up.5. Pay to win. Buying 28 slot bags is pay to win in classic, because classic is all about grinding and efficiency. Plus portable bank etc.
>>584639228The gnome racial is even stronger than it was.
>>584639268Some race/class combos just straight up not having access to one of their racials was retarded. This has been one of the best changes they've made so far.
>>584639284No? Orcs get 1%, humans 2%, taurens and dwarves 2% crit DAMAGE and HEALING thats absolutely insane>>584639306Gnome got nerfed to 0 stacks and 8 sec cd
>>584633010net buff with the +crit% since no fights will be long enough to cast BF twice
>>584639183Tauren druid forms are bigger and have horns so they're objectively cooler. Literally zero benefits to smurfs besides negative 30 dollars and everyone bullying you everywhere you go.
>>584639268>make everyone “crit / heal more”uh orcs 1% crit chance humans 2% crit chancewhy are humans favored here?dwarves and taurens both get 2% crit damage/healing instead of chance
>>584639183I’d say it’s completely retarded to pick skelf horde Druid, and for skelf alliance Druid it only makes sense if you’re balance/resto
>>584639228Don't worry, the troll nerf will come three weeks after launch, after you've leveled that troll warrior to 60 and Blizzard sees how busted berserking still is.
>>584639228Orcs also get Blood Fury you fucking retard. a Blood Fury that is strictly stronger than both the vanilla and retail versions.
>>584639057yeah thats pretty much all I'd want from housingsome trophies, some work benches and an NPC or two you can invite to stay and pretend they're your wife
>>584639391because orcs have blood fury, genius
>>584639228>10% reduced resource cost and 10% extra damage on all spells and abilities>for 8 seconds>shatteredare you retarded?
>>584639343You get the bonus for every spell or ability you use in that 8 second window, it's burst.
>>584639420>>584639430Thats on CDDwarves and taurens get baseline 2% MORE crit damage retard
>>584638791Super changes from classic is what got us retail.Classic + must be made with classic principles in mind else it'll just turn into Retail 2.0
ok, orcs lose bloodfury and get 2% crit instead of 1% crit now. great job grug, good maffs
>>584639191wow is america to wc3's englandif you want to have blacks they have to be brought in by goblins as farm instruments
>>584639268>be orc warlock>axe spec literally does nothing for you Every weapon spec racial talent was a meme if you weren't a martial class.
>>584639316you are fucking retarded.they could have come up with a thousand different racials, instead they just copy pasted beast slaying from trolls and gave it to dwarves and now the tauren and dwarf also share another racialit's fuking lazy and gay.
>>584639343>>5846394562% crit damage is far worse than 2% critunless they make it multiplicative, then it's on paryou seem to be a fucking retard
PVPERS IN S H A M B L E S LMAOOOOO
>>584639456>Thats on CDSo you think that just magically means they aren't allowed to press that button? Burst dps racials are strictly better because yo can align them with your class cooldowns to get way more value than a small flat % passive.
>>584639516it added flavor to an RPG>>584639526>chance it worse than damageyou are so braindead its unreal
>>584639531Arms warriors are back, baby!
>>584639384>>584639398You both make very great points, however.This shit looks stupid, and the WoWF first tier set ain't much better.
>>584639493Slavery was illegal in America during the Vietnam War.
>>584639583can u try reading post before replying ty
gonna play a cute fem skelf bros
>>584639316That’s part of the flavour tho you fucking spas.They could easily remedy it by just adding for mages that they can use scrolls on swords to turn them into equipable axes for orc mages. And for warlocks they could and should allow axes in the first place and give them a death knight tree
get rid of % racials alltogether unironically
>>584639596this looks badass unironically
>>584639623this is why the america analogy falls apart, whereas the legendary arthurian england foundations still hold trueno black women in medieval england
>everyone sperging about human 2% crit>even though they've had this the entire beta on the most popular weapon type
>>584639596>This shit looks stupidthis was the first mog I ever used when they added it in cata
>alliance warlocks>horde roguesplease point and laugh everyone
>Restored level-up messages showing stat increases and talent points gained.WE ARE SO BACK
>>584639721dont post pics of me
>>584638092Permafrost was just a random comment since taking it before this current patch was a bit questionable. But to be fair, the fact that you put 5 points into elemental precision in the first place shows that you're not exactly the best person to argue about the impact of talents. Anyone with some caster pvp experience would know about hit. And to show the effect of imp cs and better poly (and cs range), I can post this thing again but in a different context. https://files.catbox.moe/1fd7i8.webm>ate an auto shot because poly range is 30y instead of 36y>imp cs on mage forced him to retreat while losing 32% of his hp, without it I would've been nova'd and forced into an extremely uncomfortable situation>engage on mage outside cs range, if he had 36y range on cs, he would've been able to cs my frostbolt>instead wastes his cs on a fakecast, is forced to retreat again because no imp cs>imp cs on mage again, guarantees poly (which promptly gets broken by a warrior but you can use your imagination)Imp cs turns counterspell into proactive tool that can be used alongside its reactive component. It also has the ability to stop people from casting instants. If you know that a druid is going to NS heal, you can predict that and kill him during the duration of the silence. And even when used as a normal interrupt, it's much better against mages, locks, priests who have multiple schools of spells.Having a bunch of good talents in frost isn't anything new. It was exactly the same in classic. But you abandoned all them just so you could go 17 points into arcane, picking up a bunch of almost worthless talents for imp cs. And now on top of imp cs you've got a really good range talent as well. Feel free to try pvp without imp cs. Everyone who has played elemental knows what it's like. It doesn't feel good.
WHIXH RACE IS WINNINGWHICH CLASS IS WINNINGWHICH RACE/CLASS IS WINNINGWHO LOST
>Heating Up is no longer consumed if the Mage also had Presence of Mind active for the Pyroblast cast. Heating up also always gains an additional charge each time the Mage casts Fire Blast. This does mean Fire Blast critical strikes generate 2 charges.>no we don't buff mages for our favorite streamers
>>584635604but datamined summon portal bro
>>584639768humanhunterfemale
>>584639705A Yankee in King Arthur’s Court was nonfiction you dipshit retard.
>>584639721Not sure why you're laughing, my Horde rogue is essential for supply my druid with thistle tea
>>584639596Actually it looks pretty great, you look like an actual tree.But if you’re deciding between skelf and Tauren anyway you might aswell instead decide between skelf and nelf as they are better choices for you it seems (if visuals are a big deal for you) Tauren is the best pvp race for Druids, that’s just the way it is. And if you’re not maining PvP you have no reason to roll a Tauren
>>584639708I am going to lose every single fight now
i was expecting bigger changes to the racials. pretty much a nothingburger.
>>584639649ugaybro?
>>584639183pick whats best and imorph your normal form and even the forms to whatever you like
>ZOMG HUMAN GET 2% CRIT THEY ARE THE BEST RACE!>meanwhile Orc, Troll, Night Elf, and Gnome all get activatable dps racials that will be strictly better than passive ones because bosses will die too fast
>>584639841You go on and take that back right now before I get my zuggin' mallet.
refunded, kkthxbb
>>584639887>pretty much a nothingburger>orcs shafted>humans unchanged>taurens even more OP
Get rid of the ICD for Touch of the Grave and just nerf it to 3% of max health.
>>584639945>bosses will die too fastwe can't know that until we actually get to test the new raids at 60 Nostradamus
how the fuck is it still 175%-700% mana cost increase for arcane blast? it's not fucking retail mana
>>584639596You're clearly a faggot so go pick the faggot elf.
>>584640089its ok priest give spirit regen
>>584640025>orcs shaftedlol holy shit you people are retarded. Orc racials are still busted as fuck. Orc mages and warlocks just got a free 1% crit this patch too.
I need help deciding what to main Skelf Balance Druid (personally i think 3% haste perma beats 10% crit every 2 mins and infinite mana as alliance is skelf is op) named something stupid like Tickle Chicken Human/Undead Prot pala for PvE/Shockadin for PvP named something cringe like spontaneous Consecration Human Male arms Warrior/prot pve named something really stupid like “Human Warrior”
What would be the best race to pick if i want to give ele shammy a try?
>>584640089Mana management is the entire point of arcane, you’re not supposed to use arcane blast as your whole rotation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8c09PxEPvo
>>584640089arcane mages have 100% mana regen minimum at 60. You'll be ok.
>>584639045Someone has to explain to me why this is bad. The problem with BLwas it was rare so priced were inflated. Flood the market to them and it's a race to the bottom in prices
Warriors = Not fun in pvpDruids = Class for fagsPriests = Another fag classSpriests = Discount WarlockPaladins = Auto attacking is gayMages = Never playedRogues = Mained it its boring nowHunters = Literal retardsShamans = Never playedWarlock = Mained it want something newHumans = GayGnomes = CuteNelfs = GayDwarves = Cool but animations are shitOrcs = Giga Chads but nerfed into the groundUndead = I'm not an edgy 14 year old anymoreTaurens = FurfagsTrolls = Hunchback and no shoes looks gay and retardedI don't know what to main, guys.
>>584640181Wow meanwhile human mages get 2%
>>58463980660min cd - this is f-AI-led ML... right?
>110 answershttps://poal.me/l37iaihttps://poal.me/gqwaavhttps://poal.me/1fi7yo
>>584640195dwarf if you can overcome your AGP
>>584640181orcs got shafted because of the curse talent, we arent pve only fags
>>584640254Human mages could already use swords. Orc casters could never use axes. Human priests on the other hand just got free a 2% buff
>>584639758>you forgot to do 4/5 instead of 5/5 therefore you don't know anything about castersat this point I'm just going to take the build to spite you
>>584640265>dwarf shaman 6>undead paladin 3what happened?
>>584640226theres a vendor that sells them now for 50g, all rare mats are on it, arcane crystals etc, they want all those mats to be dirt cheap
>>584640250>orc/undead warlock/rogue fag thinks he has any authority at all in calling other races/classes gay or stupid
>they took the ele sham 6% crit chance
>>584640203>>584640215yeah but it should be lower mana cost increase for lower levels at least, even at level 30 you spend over half your mana just for 4 stack one time
>>584639343>Sword Specialization: Replaced with Ruthless: 2% increased critical strike chance.
>>584640430Don’t 4 stack it then.
>>584639768>WHIXH RACE IS WINNINGhuman>WHICH CLASS IS WINNINGpaladin>WHICH RACE/CLASS IS WINNINGhuman paladin>WHO LOSThorde
>>584640446??
>>584640394undead are cringe
deleteallracials that give % increasesgive them fun things
>>584640368please go ahead and play your hilarious dogshit buildyou will get raped to death by every caster, but hey if that's what you want go for it
>going Horde at launch>won't get to experience the Brotherhood of the Horse>by the time I finally get there, I'll already have the Horde's mudhutter boo-hoo sob story for why they have to be savages in the back of my mind This stinks.
>>584640250>warriors>not fun in PvP>charges you out of nowhere>dismounts you for 1/5th of your health >crits you another time now you’re at 40% health>>bleeds are critting you into the ground>executes you >stands over your corpse and spits
>>584640368It's not 4% either bro....
>>584640568asmons trannies are right there
>>584640574>frostbolts you
>>584640552works on my machine, has for years>>584640587obviously you keep taking points out the more hit you get from gear, next?
>>584640609>resists >polys me>resists>novas>resists
>>584640647then why are you asking for input? anyone will tell you your build sucks, but you dont care, OK cool bro go play it
>>584639005Frogmane is CUTE! CUTE!
>>584640574
>>584640529fun things are the ones that break them, the % whining is retarded
>arms warrior>still only has 2 armsalways thought this was dumb desu
>>584640706the minmaxers are ruining it
>>584639183>That one fag who keeps posting his skelf OC need not respond.Which one?
>>584640467Orcs get 1% crit chanceHumans get 2% crit chanceDwarves and tauren get 2% crit damage and healing (garbage if additive, barely acceptable if multiplicative)
did dwarfs get fucked
>>584640751Why do orcs only get 1% baseline
The only one's going to be left holding this odorous bag of excrement are going to be the mentally ill ritual posters and wow will truly be dead and buriedEVERYONE HATES YOU AND WISHES YOU WERE DEAD
>>584640771only if you hate linen cloth and malachite
>>584638560retail player = irredeemable subhuman retardits meant to be an insult, those games are good
>>584640804because orcs get a dps cooldown ontop of that and humans dont
the new elemental mastery is a complete joke
>>584640693anything else?
>>584640717Arms should be a weapon swap spec where you carry around a bunch of weapons and use them for different abilities.
>>584640743Yes.
>>584640318>still removes curses>still gives a magic drWhat's the issue? It's still extremely useful to have vs locks
>>584640647It has nothing to do with gear.You're still over the cap with 4/5 with zero hit from gear. First you "forgot" that you don't need 5% spell hit for pvp. What's the excuse this time?
>>584640834But its baseline 1% less
>>584640857you are a complete joke
>>584640893because it doesnt give immunity its a nothing burger now
>>584640804Because apparently humans NEED their offensive talents to be twice as strong. They should delete human spirit talent if they arent going to consider it something that improves human performance in PVE
>>584640906ah, so you don't realize this isn't classic.the pvp hit cap is 4%, not 3%what's next?
>>584640953blizzard doesnt look at pve now at allits only pvpits only nerf buffing around pvp tournos now
>people here have spent 500 hours on a beta that will be deleted in less than a monthGRIM
They made Tauren and Dwarf racials even worse lol this company is an embarrassment to the entire gaming industry
>sky elves hit 5% harder and 3% faster through most of MCexpect MC patch to be when race changes go live
>>584640985This can't wait a month!
>>584640916and a cooldown that goes on top is more powerful than an extra 1%, by a long shot, in pvp and pve but especially in pvp and speed runs
>>584641014>get stunned and die
>>584636043>he plays with green human, rotting human, afro-caribbean abomination, and bovine monstrosity
Herb/mining or herb/skinning?
>>584640985>less than a monthless than a week
PvP should be a minigame with everyon having the same amount of talents stats and gearNerfing 90% of a MMORPG aka PvE for some retarded streamers crying about how strong their enemy in 1v1 pvp is ridiculous.
So how does the skelf 3% haste work for something like feral druid?
>>584640810idk who trusted blizzard wasn't going to make a sack of shit of a game, just look at the last 15 years of their work, everything they tried failed miserably, the company only survives thanks to the losers who still sub on retail
>>584641086cant track both mining and herbalism at the same time
>>584641084>he plays with human, short human, big dick short human, and mommy milkie purple human
cant believe orc is so shit now bros what do we do
>>584640950and yet it's still more useful than not having a free curse removal
>>584640972Have they actually removed forced 1% resist? Disgusting.
>nerf downranking>add spell to mage to offset nert to downrankingcan't make this shit up>>584638520https://files.catbox.moe/oqbas7.png
>>584636380>>584636464>>584641084>finna play short humon boring human blue human very short humonalliance players are the most vanilla and boring people irl
>>584641162you auto every .97 seconds
>>584641053>post about PvE>UHHHH STUN AND DIEtruly braindead
I'm not sure I trust devs that swing this hard out of nowhere every couple of days...
>>5846411622-3% more white dmgso about the same as 1% crit
>>584641220>PvE mobs never stun and kill youanon, I...
>>584641184refund
>ret pally still auto attack citywhy
>>584641192>https://files.catbox.moe/oqbas7.pngbased sloppa
>>584641281holy retard
stormwind needs 10,000 orcs in the next 2 years or it won't survive the labor shortagethe nobles' pensions have to be paid somehow
why the fuck does this little bitch look so erotic?serious question btw.explain to me why i find her so irresistable.
>>584635701You're so brave.
>>584641269this is the same shit that burnt me out on SoD, I'm hoping it's just because it's beta but idk. Really tired of my character's performance yo-yo'ing every week at the whim of devs who are throwing spaghetti at the wall and hoping something sticks
Hey guys, Zirene here. Just to let you know, I'm making these bs racial changes on purpose so that people will complain enough that they will be happy with the complete removal/trivialization of combat racials.It's the "you think you do, but you don't" strategy, I just need to stir the pot enough to create a consensus around this issue.Think of cultivation and treasure finding as the actual racials that will go live.
>>584641370Because you are a pedophile.
>>584641192What's wrong with that? It makes far more sense to have a spell for that one specific use case and get rid of downranking
>>584641269im hopeful, because its a beta and thats exactly what they should do in testing shit, on live fuck no
>>584641370its the twin tails
>>584635701>he didn't pay the $60 to pre-make a characterpoor and mad
>>584641269There is some merit to listening and having a vision but the gear stuff, turning everything blue, turning it to green and making worse, whilst being unable to answer for the spell power issues really shows they have no idea what they are doing.
>>584641220>pvebab LOL
>>584641427Mages have like 6 news spells while some others classes got zero. Maybe mage could survive without rank 1 frostbolt, there's a crazy fucking idea.
>>584641407its so weird seeing this obnoxiously incompetent third-rate league commentator become one of the leads on an actual game design team. extremely strange.
>>584641571You look like a 4channer.
>>584641571i thumbed it down go pay for ad promotion nigger
You can't claim to be the based hetero manly faction when you have sky elves.
>missile barrage first row talentWhy did they give arcane mage an identity and then take it away?
>>584633010the 1% crit is just a straight up buff, especially for locks who couldn't use axes in the first place.
>>584637114>man hands
I can't imagine still making slop for a game everyone now universally hates lol
>>584639343>1% differenceABSOLUTELY INSANE
Here’s how you fix the racialsOrcGroms Sacrifice>removes all curses banes and control effects (MC Poly to be specific) 5 min cdWarcry (active) Teammates within range receive 50% of OOC health regen for 20 secondsThrill of Battle (Passive)The lower your health the more damage you do from 1% to 15% or whatever is fair TrollHonestly who cares, throwing and regenTaurenPlainsrunning (as it is now)Bullrush (active) when plainsrunning has reached 15 stacks charge forward in a line (not a homing missle like charge) the first enemy hit gets knocked back and dazed for 2 seconds, enemies killed will be impaled on horns for 10 seconds Warstomp(Placeholder name) (passive) shorter crafting time on all recipes UndeadWill of the forsaken Mad scientist (active) reach into your bag and use a random potion, this is flavour text you don’t actually need anything in your bags) could be healing, mana, stat elixir etc) but can’t be flaskI need time to think of alliance ones
>give rogues access to axes to prevent orc rogues from getting BTFO>take axe spec awayinteresting choices being made here definitely a lot of thought going into not just the immediate changes but the long term effect as well. a delicate hand.
>>584641671Because fAggrend loves the taste of Xaryu's dick in his mouth. Remember to state your complaints on the beta, not just here.
>>584641756Downvoted for being a faggot and not trying with Troll.kys
>>584641571buy an ad
>>584641269>>584641513This is just uneducated nepo baby retards with zero experience getting to paint over the carefully considered masterpiece that was Turtle WoW. It's like dunking a bunch of chimps in paint and throwing them at the roof of the sistine chapel.
>>584641458adding the new mage spell out of fucking nowhere is a really bad sign, it's not just a number adjustment its a sledgehammer in reaction to an already idiotic decision no one really understands and the devs excuse is gold farmers (or something)
>>584641765click submit pussy
>>584641849ok bro see u on release
>>584641758>rogues get axes>druids get polearms>hunters can't figure out how to smack a seal to death with a big malletA yes the guiding hand of our betters.
>>584641641>>584641647>>584641847gonna cry?
>>584641184What sim is this?
Is the Gnome change a buff or nerf?
>>584641758they didn't give rogues access to axes for orcs>Rogues can now learn to equip one-handed axes. This increase in itemization choices lets us make a more diverse offering of weapons and know that Rogues will still benefit. Rogues as an archetype include brigands and outlaws, who often make use of axes in fantasy and medieval storytelling.
>>584641886see you in a year when you admit beta was the best part of wowf just like the first weekend of SoD was the best part
I will play human hunter until satyr and race changes are added. Then I will ascend to peak knotbait.
>>584641765BASED.FUCK MAGESFUCK XARYUFUCK ZIQOFUCK VENRUKIAND FUCK AGREND FOR TONGUING THEIR ANUSES ON THE REGULAR.I FUCKING HATE MAGES SO MUCH. REMOVE ICE LANCE FROM THE GAME ALREADY, IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NO BUSINESS BEING IN FOREVER.
>>584641943buff
>>584636858>>584637548>>584639758>>584640552btw, here's your pvp montage poopsock cheeto finger rbg r14 discord server approved sweat build, I took more than 10 seconds slopping something up this time.the impetus for the original question was about CoC and winters chill changes but you'd rather be smug superior cunts and jerk off over counterspellhappy you niggerfaggots?
>>584641849bro rogue is getting whole new talents and they arent even gonna be added into the beta to test my guy
>>584641993We merely suggested you might want the good pvp talents, you're the one who acted like a complete faggot about it. Please, play your silly build, it's absolutely fine with me.
missing anything?
>>584641924mythicsim hunter
>>584641192laughed my ass off at those patch notes, it's pure comedy. at least warlock is sliding under the radar for now, we're eating good>https://files.catbox.moe/oqbas7.pnghotnow knot her
>>584642067I saw the patch changes and wanted to consult with the thread on if it had any relevance for builds, my mistake trannyanon
Wait, frost mages aren't a literal hero class in pvp? That's a bug!
>Blessing of Salvation and Greater Blessing of Salvation have been replaced with Salvation and Mass Salvation. These are applied in the same manner as the blessings were, but are not exclusive with blessings.lmao remove one paladin from the raid
what the FUCK is up with the HD Human Femalewhy do they all have nigger noses
>>584641820Troll>Bad Voodoo2 min cd on next successful attack enemy hit receives a random effect, this could be launching them into the air (not a fall damage height) turning them into a frog for 1 second, turning their character 180 degrees.Throwing axe specialisation (passive) ‘replaces’ wand for mage/priesr/warloc and ranged weapon for the rest. Instead of wanding you throw axes, same effect and damage as the wand with the added benefit of adding 1% crit chance or something. Troll hunters have the same thing and all their shots are replaced by axes, mostly just visual and flavourSame health regen passive like they do nowTThen bake in berserking and the 50% health regen active into one
>>584642010>bro rogue is getting whole new talentsPeople keep saying this but it clearly isn't true. You'll get that new Sub capstone they mentioned and nothing else, that's your Rogue "rework"
>>584642071if that's supposed to be a bm with trueshot then i think you got all raidbuffs and debuffs
>>584642258I think there's a nose option on the scrolldown that opens up when you switch to HD that you're missingbut yeah never use HD
>>584635843Is true ally skyborne active doubles mana gain from gem and pot etc
>>584642297why the fuck would you need ranged ap aura
>>584642258choose "narrow" face on the second tabit's still gonna be ugly with soulless glassy bug eyes but at least it won't have these broad features
>reck bomb flying under the radarthe one shots are back and no one cares
>>584641370thousand cock stare+eye shade and pouty lips
The king has spoken
>>584642258oh im retarded, i had to scroll down and not select WIDE>>584642330yep yep, just found it
Watch your clever mouth
>>584641269This mainly.>We had the option to turn off the fog but they removed that option and now force you to use it when one of the biggest criticisms is the fog looks like shit and they don't want it>Beta has massive giant sweeping changes to not only how classes are played but how end game raids are fundamentally made so how many slots your class will get in raid>We're expected to keep getting these kinds of changes MONTHS after actual launch>"Heres a new shaman ghost wolf form with no option to use the original! Oh never mind, here is the old one! What? You actually liked the new one? Well here is a completely different one with no option to use the original or the one people said the liked!">Add in fun items like booty bay gun or the deviant orge / murloc cosmetic food then remove it>Everyone is bitching about new druid forms but there is no option to use something like the snake form permanently and you can't use deviant delights anymore to get rid of your ugly form>"Hey everyone! If you want RP PVP make some noise!">RP PVP is the most demanded thing everywhere and all over their forums and even content creators they worship say they could add it>"We're not adding RP PVP because we don't want to moderate it.">Balancing the game around a level 30 streamer tournament>Nerfing horde racials over a level 30 horde streamer tournament>Classes like Ele shaman are still fucked and theres some stupid nigger on the team forcing them to use lava burst when people just want to use chain lightning like classic ele shaman in their classic +>Streamers buying hundreds of gold live on stream not banned when randoms getting 20 gold have gotten perma banned>Games not even out and theres two cosmetic bundles announced plus all the cosmetics in 80 dollar special edition
>>584642297bm is for pet debuffs
>>584642297Trueshot aura doesn't really matter if you only have one hunter.
>>584642415bm is for sex
>>584642071You are missing 2 more disc priests for 2 more PIs
it takes greater than 450 spell power to make chain lightning deal more damage than arcane explosion on 3 targets
people will defend playing on PvP servers despite the fact that PvP megaservers are not vanillalike
>>584642071you got too many paladins now the same guy can do kings + salvation because salv is no longer a blessing
>>584642071one more lock for second curse, and you dont need 3 palas anymore bc salv isnt a blessingfill the rest with fury warriors
>>584642415its not worth it, worst hunter spec, all hunters are LW
>>584642401She looks like she'd have a great resting bitch face
>>584642067one more thing, are you also suggesting the second build is *also* silly? would _love_ to hear you opine on that
>>584642475neither are PvE megaserverschekm8
>>584642475>vanillalikeno server ever has or ever will be
>>584642401narrow = whitewide = blackround = asian
>>584642297trueshot is ranged AP only now, but you do want 1 hunter for tranq shot but it should be survival or MM
>>584642471>it takes more effort for the support class wearing chain armor and a shield to do damage compared to the pure dps class wearing robesintended design, dummy.
>>584642475Whichever one Olympus goes on, imposing the opposite to keep away from them
>>584641458>because its a betaThe cope is gigantic
>>584642389nice but still gonna be worse than vanilla if you cannot twist, that's missing on either a SOC proc or 5 SOR procs.
>>584642579nostalriuselysiumlight's hope
>>584642558it looks ok, good job champ
just realized no tree and you dont need a disc now with the spriestso many flex slots now damn>>584642486nah its worth cucking one for the pet debuffs pretty sure
>>584642619>20k online chink zerg hellholle>vanillalike
>hpal dead>protpal raped >retpal a joke spec with a joke capstonewhat's left? holy shock dps memes?
What the fuck were they thinking with the racialsHow is 5% to beasts still thereHow us 2% crit bonus ever good
Alliance racialsHumanVirtually the same as now i think they’re fineDwarf StoneformDrunken Debauchery (passive) while completely smashed gain 3% hit chanceGnomeKinda like them where they’re at desuNight elfSomething that plays into the night cycle in-game. Extra view distance or something. Can’t think of others right now
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>>584641458I'm still gonna play the shit out of the game at launch but nah they really have no idea what they're doing, which is really fucking weird.>>584642161https://files.catbox.moe/4yqecg.png
>>584642727shockadin will be top pala dps spec
>>584642727>holy shock dpsThey destroyed that.
>>584642727>what's left?rerolling to a class not enjoyed by the chud lead developer.
>metafag meltiescan't wait for 2-3 months post release when they nerf their meta class by 3% and they rope
>>584642390i think you nailed it.those are indeed very erotic features.
>>584640250Play a different game
>>584638452This is retarded, classic + is classic with extra content. Not classic with "improvements".Balancing and stuff is absolutely fine, but retail tier QoL has no place in Forever.
>>584642694suffering from success
RESTO SHAMAN STATUS????????????????????????????????????????????????
>>584642650exactly. look at how civil we can be when we engage in good faith and don't jump to conclusions that everyone is trolling or retarded
>>584642789yeah let me just reroll to rogue, surely it'll be goo-
>>584642873
>>584642760ok now make her black
>>584642895you are retarded though
>>5846423982006 /nilla/ god hereyou can't get a refund if you never bought it
in case you're annoyed that your arrow keys don't control the chat edit box anymore, and turn your character instead:/run ChatFrame1EditBox:SetAltArrowKeyMode(false)
All of these sweeping balance changes are just the devs fucking with us. We're playing an old test build to look for bugs QA hasn't found, stress test servers/layering, and generate hype. When the game launches, we'll get a modern build with 6+ months of dev time and tons of changes and new stuff we haven't seen yet. Aggrend will make some smug comment on his podcast about all the stuff added for players to dIsCoVer.
Imagine playing wow with retail graphics, you're a fucking faggot
>>584642958uhhhno
>>584643062holy fucking BASED
>>584643032this is insane copium but id be fine with that
According to mythicsim Human now tops for 22 specs
Walk on air being 1.5min cd is pretty appealing.. I really don't want to be an elf though
>>584643109yes on long fights, but the ones with cds are better the faster gamers go
>>584643019here comes the monkey shitflinging again. what's your case this time?
They have no idea that I'm watching them...
>Human racial: RUTHLESS 2% crit>rogue eviscerate iconIs it just me or does this feel kinda out place lorewise?
>>584643062sloppas can't stop winning...
>>584642958
>>584643102Surely they haven't been sitting around pulling their pud for the last two years and haven't even finished designing specs.Surely.
>>584642906why won't they just give us envenom literally what the fuck were they thinking. WotLK Ass is great, just implement that
>>584643160Very, it looks more like an orc or undead racialSword spec, diplomacy, the human spirit, you could feel a sense of romanitas to it allWhat is it now? Uhh we're all vicious apes
HUGE buffs for human priests
World of WarCraft: REFUNDED
>>584642760>https://files.catbox.moe/4yqecg.pngnice, thanks
>>584643160Doesn't seem very Warcraft Human at all
>>584643062but my niggies....
why are people dooming over enhance? it wont be as rng 1 shot anymore because of AP changes and gear?
>>584643231delicious
You can't refund the time you spent on this gameyou get 900 months to live and you just wasted 1 of them on a 20+ year old game
>>584643391fake reddit simulation says other specs do more dps
>>584643397You wasted all yours being a faggot
>>584643397>we're all gonna die maaaaninsightful
>>584643160>>584643296>>584643325>the people who work at Blizzard in 2026 don't understand their own lore to the point where literal racist troglodytes on 4chan can tell that something ain't rightsay it aint so. You really think Blizzard would be so incompetent and staffed by nepobaby polesmokers?
>>584643397and how many did you spend working, yeah couldnt be me
>>584643397How many months have you wasted shitposting on 4chan?
>>584643391Yeah, shaman was all about burst and pumping all you have to try to one shot in pvp. They got rid of that and took off the highs of their burst to raise the floor of their non burst window because it makes them better in pve for parse trannys but even then they still suck in pve because they aren't designed around dealing sustained damage in long fights.
>>584639531As a hunter, this is a good thing. I was getting decision paralysis debating on what pet would be best in pvp. Now I can just get a cat that prowls, dashes, bites and claws with the best dps and fastest attack speed to annoy casters and be done with it.
what is strongest horde race fore priest now? troll?
>>584643501not meI intend to live forever
>>584643397I wasted 22 years on this game and I'll probably waste 22 more, fuck you. Better than dying in a foxhole in Ukraine or getting stabbed going outside.
>>584643559human or gnome
Every race now has a "x% to crit" racialHow soulless can this game get????
>>584643559Troll because they can spam a reduced healing debuff.
>>584641993>missile barrage offered on first row for free>takes 3% arcane hit instead when he only has 1% frost/fire hit>the original question was about CoC and winters chill changesWell when you go 51 points into frost you can pick up whatever you want. But when you need to go 17 points into arcane, and possibly 2 points into fire, it changes things. What are you losing in order to pick up imp coc and wc?The problem is that ice lance still exists. If your coc hits a single target, a completely non-improved coc hits roughly half as hard as an ice lance with 450 sp. If you have imp coc, it's 70% the damage of an ice lance. Still not worth pressing the button. If you have 5 stacks of wc and no imp coc, that's 96% the damage of an ice lance. If you've gone and spent 8 talent points, get full wc stacks, then you're finally dealing 30% more damage than an ice lance. What did you pay for that damage? If we make it easy and use a 17/0/34 rather than something with points to get 35y fire blast, you lose6% frost damage15% mana cost from frost spells2s frost nova cd (or 4s and one point from one of the above) Is 30% more damage than an ice lance (for 300 more mana) after hitting your target with 5 frostbolts/frost blasts/empowered ice lances worth losing those? Coc is now pure aoe and maybe if you need a chill. But frost blast now gives a 9s+3s (permafrost) chill rather than the classic r1 frostbolt 5s+3s, so against single target the slow isn't as important as before.
>>584643397there is no such thing as 'wasting' time. nothing you ever do will amount to anything in the grand scheme of things.we are all winding away our finite time before the grave doing random meaningless shit.
>>584643559Tauren
>>584640662man those 13 out of 1000 warriors who had that happen to them sure are lucky
Sky elves will never be a classic raceLayering will never not be a deathblow to the game Dev time will never be spent making original content; only streamer demanded balance changes and monetization RMT will never be bannedThe wow token is coming just like it came to classic You will never be a woman
>>584643538>shaman was all about burst and pumping all you have to try to one shot in pvp.And that is fucking retarded
>people with long experience and knowledge give feedback on what could be improved>UUUH WE'LL THINK ABOUT>gambling addicted and shill tourist streamer with a following of broccoli heads farts and Aggrend smells it>RIGHT AWAY MI LORD, IT WILL BE CHANGED MI LORD, YOUR $100,000 CHECK WILL FIX MY DIABETIC LEG MI LORD
>>584643583You thought you did, but you didn'tIt's the same 1000 cuts that killed retail
>>584643569kek
ALEXENSUAL IS THE BEST WOW PLAYER/STREAMER.HE FUCKS 500 WOMEN EVERY DAY.
>>584643628But yay reck bombing is back!!!
>troll prot warrior>stack some spirit >never stop pullingSeems like a fun way to level
>>584643583Fucking this, why even include it as a racial, just make the shit baseline then.
>>584643538how did they fuck their burst 1 shot anon
>>584643665Did you refund the game? Why are you still shilling?
Twentyfive fucking days shilling this garbage, all for it to blow up in your face after this patchYou're a raped bitch
>>584643231
>>584643616Made a small math error here. 3+3+1 is not in fact 8. You're forced to take a point of permafrost to get both imp coc and wc. Rest applies.
Is it shooting yourself in the foot to level warrior first, even if you intend on maining warrior?>hit 60>oversaturated class>can't support itself financiallyUnless you're a streamer or GM of a decently sized guild I don't see how you hit 60 and do anything but afk and wait for a chance at a group willing to take you
>>584643704>stack some spirit>die to mobs hitting you because you're wearing cloth armor, you fucking retard
are we expecting anymore patches and podcast or is that it? its done, this is the Nov 4th version.
they killed turtlewow to make shitever which is a vastly inferior private server and charge you $15/month + $30 per new race, think about that
>>584643772nah it's finehow is leveling another class first going to help you main warrior?
>>584643772>oversaturated classThis isn't classic. Hardly anyone wants to play the brown class right now.
>>584643772holy shit just play the game like a normal person
>>584643813Yes Anon, they will do nothing for the next 3 weeks
What Professions should I pick for an Elemental Shaman?
>>584643772not sure if trolling or retardedpeople take you at 60 because you pretend to be a tank in stratholme so they can get gear. its easier to get into those groups if everyone is undergeared, like at the very start of release.
>>584643772always start with your main
>>584643772>oversaturated classnope>can't support itself financiallycan support itself just as well as any other classare you the retard who wanted to level a farming mage first?
>>584643882on release? skinning + mining/herblater? nobody knows, we haven't seen everything
>>584643881Tailoring and leather working to make a rope to hang yourself with and a nice chair to jump off.
>>584643819
>>584643964better than skelves
WHY AM I HARDCAPPED AT 60 FPS?
>>584643719>elemental mastery + chain lightning = dead niggaThey fucked it up by>they took out shamans 6% crit talent for the class that gambas on wanting to do big crits>elemental mastery no longer guarantees a crit>they reduced the base cast time of chain lighting to 2 seconds instead of 2.5 seconds which drastically reduces its spell power coefficient so it deals a lot less damage>they reduced the base damage of chain lightning by a ton ontop of it>they want you to lava burst on single target not chain lightning which ruins their pvp for pve
>>584643964HAHAHAhahahah>>584644032lol no
should i main priest or warlock?
>>584643964dunno why this keeps getting posted. i would play as this character too if i was a gm.
I don't know why they don't just increase the subscription price already. I would literally pay double or even triple if it allowed the incompetent cunts at Blizzard to hire straight white men capable of running a mile again.
>>584643772anon, prior to any class‑allocation determination, you must operationalize a full‑spectrum audit of cross‑correlated player‑behaviour indices, stochastic role‑performance perturbations, and macro‑micro archetype variance matrices, as emergent regression artifacts demonstrate that uninformed class selection pathways precipitate compounding synergy‑deficit cascades across all gameplay‑critical ecosystems
>>584643821>how is leveling another class first going to help you main warrior?let me guess, you RMTed in 2019 and never had to actually play the game outside of raid night?>>584643824maybe, but with pally being raped and rogue going mostly ignored warrior will probably be really fucking popular>>584643825>wahhhh stop being better at the game than me and trying to be optimal you should play retarded and slow and waste your time like me!!>>584643913you're not realizing how much warrior prebis/bis is crafted, with no realistic way to farm the gold to afford it. especially on a pvp server>>584643916you gonna explain why or just say that as if it's some global rule everyone has always known and followed?>>584643918>are you the retard who wanted to level a farming mage first?idk what you're talking about. if anything i would probably pick hunter as a farmer, mage is too in the spotlight with RMT and botting blizz isn't gonna let them have fucking anything for years
now that I refunded I can finally relax and enjoy the inevitable train wreck this game will be after the honeymoon phase ends, probably 3 weeks after launch when it finally hits people they are playing retail minus lead by the most incompetent dev team of all time and guided by the fakest, most disingenuous streamers doing everything they can to milk their cattle viewers for more pennies, it's going to be a delicious schadenfreude
>>584643964cute
>>584644058oh did i meant enhance :3did they nerf enhance 1 shot? were u the person who wrote >>584643538
>>584643964images you can smell
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>>584643558I think the best option is just lone wolf with a spider or hyena to summon if you need to
they fucked gutted pet healthwarlock pets feel so fucking weak now
>>584644178>le vague frog faceebin
>>584644145>you're not realizing how much warrior prebis/bis is crafted, with no realistic way to farm the gold to afford it. especially on a pvp serverIf you haven't figured that out by now, it really doesn't matter. Play warrior, do what you can, and pray you get into a decent group that doesn't care if you're not prebised out in crafted bullshit. 20 year old game btw, something tells me you'll be able to finish Blackballs Hold without the Super Death Crafted Helmet of RMT of the Monkey. Assuming you're not a braindead brownoid, at least.
You've refunded, right...rightAfter today there's no excuse not to
>>584644228good
Bros.... I think I'm still going shaman despite all of this.
>>584644307some of us prefer to play at a higher level with better players and not watch loot go to knuckledragging retards who cost us our world buffs every week
>>584644228???????Patch notes don't say shit about touching Warlock pet health, the fuck are you on?WarlockFixed an issue where Summon Incubus was available to summon at no Soul Shard cost with the Reagent Economy Legacy Perk.Fixed an issue allowing multiple Cure of Recklessness debuffs to be active on a target.AfflictionMalediction replaced with Grim Reach, which increases the range of your Affliction spells by 10/20%.Shadow Mastery changed to increasing your Shadow spell damage by 2/4/6/8/10% (Was 1/2/3/4/5%).DemonologyFixed an issue where you couldn’t cast Soul Link on your pet.DestructionDestructive Reach changed to Increases the range of your Destruction spells by 10/20%.
>>584644228As it should. Warlocks aint hunters. The only lock pet you should expect to live for longer than a couple pulls or vs 2+ mobs should be Voidwalker.
>>584644145It sounds like your goal is to be a super sweaty parser. I would suggest 4chen is not the place to get any decent advice about that. I would also consider the possibility that prot warrior might be quite good at farming in WoWF (even if you aren't planning to be prot later).
>>584644315No, Alex. Go get a job. You threw your hissy and said you're done. Goodbye.
>>584643964Id rather see a cringe GM than no GMs like we have now At least then I know I'm actually speaking with a real person with some seldom amount of power to help me rather than a chatbot or a jeet
>>584644342>despite all of this.>he fell for the doompostingShaman gets like a billion good changes and people really do be trying to make out like we got fucked still.
>>584643616>>584643763yes I take the point that two extra points in arcane focus can go into missile barrage, to be honest I hadn't even registered that talentsomething small, but CoC can trigger/retrigger frostbite whereas ice lance cannot, are you factoring that in to your cost/benefit? I was going to mention only using r1 CoC for single targets for this, but that's probably a no go with the downranked activation change. still, perhaps using the lowest possible rank of CoC to conserve mana and still fish for frostbitealso, you mentioned 35y fire blast, which you can't get while also getting imp cs and ice barrier. if I'm frost without barrier at that point I'd just go elemental, my preference. what build are you thinking of?
>>584644372>>584644236>>584644145If you're so damn good at this game, why didn't you figure out your gameplan a month ago?Moreover, why are you coming to a Mongolian basketweaving symposium for help?
>>584644498wow players are a bunch of mindbroken doomsissiesat least the ones on 4chen/leddit/forums
Reckon shaman will get dual wield at a later date?
>>584643881As if that is some unlikely scenario
>>584644403undocumented, happened to hunter pet too, hp nerf and damage normalized, but lock got hit the hardest
>>584644403Claude fucked up and now Warlock pets have less health than vanilla valuesMost likely a bug
>>584644584hopefully not ew
>>584644584I reckon it won't, and I hope it doesn't.
>>584644584no
>swtor massive dx12 update in Q4yep, finally a good mmo to play
>>584644602>>584644616This is fucking HOMOSEXUAL AS FUCK.I WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO PLAYING A FUCKING DEMOLOCK WITH A GOOD PET FINALLY.FUCK THIS GAY GAME.I'M /SEETHING/
>>584642408>you can't use deviant delights anymore to get rid of your ugly formWasn't a thing in classic either btw. Noggenfogger worked in classic, should still work in forever. Don't remember if deviate delight worked in vanilla. Did work on many pservers but that's not real.
>>584644438>super sweaty parserkind of. i was super sweaty in classic, planning to take it easier this go around but I know I still need to play a cut above to make it in with a good raid team that doesn't waste my time. im not trying to speedrun or r1 parse I just refuse to be the smartest person in the raid group, because when I play with lower effort groups I inevitably become the one picking up the slack and it's fucking exhausting. Been there, done that, I'm good.>prot warrior might be quite good at farming in WoWFI don't foresee them allowing prot to be the invincible god it seems to be right now but maybe. I would still expect a 60 geared paladin, once properly balanced and functioning, to be a better farmer by a longshot if we're comparing just tanks.
>>584644403>the fuck are you on?Why does everyone in this general jump straight to being aggressive as hell about shit they know nothing about?>hmm anons are talking about something that wasn't in the patch notes>should I inquire further?>NO YOU'RE ON FUCKING DRUGS, YOU'RE RETARDED, YOUR BRAIN IS MADE OF WONDERBREAD
>>584644584No, and they won't be tanks either. Warlocks might tho, but only for 5mans or specific encounters like Gruuls first boss
>>584643882Personally, who knows how many mail items will have spell power. Yeah you can grab leather/cloth items in quest rewards and dungeons but I like having the extra armour. For that reason LW seems good, enchanting also has exclusive relics but IDK if that one is worth it.
>>584644228it's bugged but they are going to fix it next week when claude launches the new model, the current model couldn't do the job, aggrend apologized on stream
>>584644469streamer brainedohh no, you're terminally retarded
>>584644718It's just text on a screen. It's not that deep.
>>584644687I have very distinct memories of playing my druid in vanilla, going to the christmas gnome costume machine, and then being disappointed when shifting to cat form destroyed the costume. >>584644718gb2 reddit dumb niggerkike
>>584644498You're right sis, I should never compare myself to mages. I should be happy with what we got.
>>584644791Okay Alex go get some rest bud. Long day of job applications ahead of you tomorrow.
>alex is not playing foreverokay what happens now?
>>584644228good, anon the voidwalker at level 10 had like 700 health, I was twinked the fuck out in stamina gear and enchants and it still doubled my hp
>>584642408The annoying thing is that they respond to any criticism EXCEPT the biggest one in the room, sky elves.
>>584644861what else is he gonna play lol
You paid money to beta test a game, and all blizzard did was nerf everything into the ground and sucked all possible fun out of the release of said game
>>584644726Sorry they already confirmed shaman tanks. That nerfed Fire Nova so it's more in line with TC and Consecration.
>>584644584yeah why not, ruin the class even more
>>584644835Talent changes are objectively good no matter how you spin it.Base damage and scaling of all shaman spells can and will be buffed at some point.Mages are gay and need to be gutted.
>>584644909do u think they are going to scrap an entire race, zone, quests etc?
>>584644950No but they could easily port it to retail where they belong.
>>584642684you dont need 3 paladins you quadruple niggeryou do not play beastmastery in any fucking comp ever
>>584644827>acting like a human? thinking before I post? NOOOOO MY IZZAT DEMANDS I BE A CONFIDENTLY WRONG RETARD AND LASH OUT
final answerlots of flex spots compared to before now, pretty sick but also if they dont balance well theres gonna be some crazy class stacking as a result
watching forever crash and burn is going to be more fun than actually playing the game, crazy what shitzzard was able to accomplish in so little time
>new tinder match>mention WoW forever in my bio on the off chance i reel in some goth gamer foid>new notification>solid 7.5/10 matched me>and she messaged first>"hey handsome ;) what class are you planning to play in forever?"woah...bros what do I do?
>>584645053>lots of flex spots compared to before nowLooking forward to them all being filled by the same class.
The Direction of Forever is Not the Vanilla+ Experience That Was Promised.I leveled multiple characters to 20+ and 1 to 30. But then I saw the direction they were going with each update. This is becoming more and more Wrath minus. I specifically heard they were going to take Vanilla and "Plus" it up at Blizzcon and that is not what we got. Perhaps if they finally figure it out, I will play then. But as it stands, I will just watch the dumpster fire from the distance. Not going to say it's a bad game, just isn't for me.
>>584645091tell her you like to tank
new>>584645120>>584645120>>584645120
>>584645098Your own fault for playing in a dogshit guild.
>>584645010eh depends on fight length and if the enh/hunter/cat/etc have mana issuesi still think its worth cucking a hunter to bring a pet whether thats bm or not idk how strong each hunter spec is so i just put bm
>>584645091accept that it aint happening and all the pressure to be the perfect jester will wash away
>>584645021>SAAR DO NOT THE NIGGER, SAAR GLOBOHOMO SAY WHITE MAN SHOULD BE AFRAID OF FREE SPEECH, SAAR YOU ARE A BARBARIANdont care+didnt ask+youre brown
>>584645142bit early innit
>>584645134thanks for the update bro, see you on release
>>584645148Same shit will happen in pugs, pugs all stacked nothing but warrior and a couple rogues.
>>584645192You have to get it done early or the troonlover will post his bullshit.
>>584643397>t. mentally ill retard wasting time on /wowfg/Why are you here?
>>584644519>are you factoring that in to your cost/benefit?Should've expanded on it a bit rather than just hidden it into the side note of "chill" and only talking about slows, but it's not easy to estimate the effect of that. One major issue I noticed while building stuff on sixtycharacters is that there's a bit of a lack of int in the current pvp gear. That combined with increased health pools (there's a lot of stamina in the pvp gear) makes me feel that mana is going to be a bigger issue than it was in classic. This would be an indirect nerf to coc and would force you to pick up frost channeling, but we'll see what happens at 60.>which you can't getIt's the first row in fire. 17/2/32. Do you need it anymore with ice lance? Who knows.
>>584645091You suddenly love tanking and leading groups of retards in dungeons, trust.
>>584645053What's the hunter pet for? Pretty sure they have no unique abilities. Dust cloud is FF/reck, furious howl is BS, demo is demo.
>>584645996Pets can do interesting things with controlling the pet then feigning death so people can run past mobs and shit.
