Welcome to Sonic the Hedgehog General! Here we discuss all things Sonic!/sthg/ #9670 - Everyone's Favorite, Coolest, Non-Violence-Enacting Character Edition==NEWS==>Discord server for some reasonhttps://x.com/sonic_hedgehog/status/2107231633082294555>SONIC PICO PARK on 12 November 2026https://picoparkgame.com/spp/>Sonic the Hedgehog: Memories and Beyond on 12 November 2026https://youtu.be/gg33XSAtdZM [Embed]>Sonic the Hedgehog's 35th anniversaryhttps://www.sega.com/sonic-the-hedgehog?tab=35th-anniversary>Sonic the Hedgehog 4 on 19 March 2027https://x.com/SonicMovie>Netflix animated series for preschoolers with attitude in productionhttps://variety.com/2026/film/news/crazy-taxi-movie-netflix-sega-sonic-stranger-than-heaven-1236861148/==COMICS==Sonic the Hedgehog X Godzilla #4 - 11 November 2026Sonic and the Blade of Courage #18 - November 2026Sonic the Hedgehog #92 - 9 December 2026==OTHER==>Linkshttps://rentry.org/sthglinks>SAGEhttps://sagexpo.org/>SHChttps://shc.zone/>#10000 Projecthttps://pastebin.com/Fb8Bt4ruPrevious Zone: >>584831264
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>>584895070Unique is when you try to make your character as much of an eyesore as possible
>>584896678Yeah like Silver, Shadow, Blaze...
Belle was never a good character, she just represented a concept now fulfilled by Sage.
blaze flat boobies
>>584896589It's trash, anon. We left out the trash.
>>584896736You have shit taste in designs
>*Waiting
>>584896589Dude, it’s on the rentry
Douge
>>584896932wtf os distl;dr?
>>584896948*commencing hatpats*
>>584895070>Non-Violence
>>584897025yaaay
>>584896958More like they should RETRY!
>>584897135damn, didn't know Belle is top 5 of the verse
>>584896932>>584897056It's more that it was made back when people were still calling Amy a violent psycho who "smashes people's skulls and gives them concussions". It was just around when those narratives cropped up, so they internalized it.
Is this arenafag?
>>584896838Marine.
>>584897348Still, how j draws and writes amy plays too much into the ''sweet innocent girl'' trope instead of giving her just a little roughness. guess cream is a little more reserved than his amy but thats the only real thing.
>>584896804Belle was always cool. Her and Sage are not the same, though they are similar. Belle represents Mr. Tinker, who is the capacity for good Eggman has. Sage meanwhile supports her father's twisted ambitions.
>>584896958We know, duofag.
brapple the doe
>>584897819Blackwood would probably cause a lot less seethe if she was the brainwashed wife to be rescued instead of blaze
>>584896804So did ST steal the concept giving Eggman a daughter from Evan or what?
>>584897021Modern shit fucked Amy up and she had to wait longer than she should have to be playable in a game that was actually good
>>584898674The concept was popular before either in ''Egette'' they could've been inspired by that too
>>584898674Well, neither if we're accepting that he treats Metal Sonic as a "son" so this isn't far from that.Though I appreciate Sage more for being inline with Eggman's bullshit rather than against it. Man is just creating his own family of henchmen.
>>584896804>>584898674More like ST saw Eggette and decided to make their own. The Belle stuff afaik was just a coincidence (Ian said it was really awkward when they broke the news to Evan)
First Barry of the thread
>>584898780Bait used to be believable
>>584898930>if we're accepting that he treats Metal Sonic as a "son"That was always fanon though. He literally loboyomizes him in canon and calls him a hunk of junk.
Which way, human?
>>584899308When was Bait ever believable?
>>584899540I love her
>>584899439On the other hand, Metal Sonic is the only robot minion Eggman puts any effort into upgrading and maintaining.
>>584899308How is it bait? It's literally true. Adventure shit sabotaged the entire concept of alternate playable characters and now only sonic and shadow can get any focus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=befi-6Xw3pc
i wanna spank maria
>>584900005>>584900190I don't remember that
>>584900005>>584900190>Green lightGatsby saw this just before he died.
>>584897541I think it just kind of reflects how people just seemed to have issues eith accepting the idea of female characters with any dimension or nuance. They could only be surface representations to appeal to 1 sensibility.Amy is a sweet and kind, so it mindbreaks people to see her be tempermental or engage in any violence because sweet kind characters have to be uniformly innocent and nonviolent because of altruism shit in the culture.So to these kinds of people, instead of seeing her as nuance, they see her kindness as a lie or not real.
>>584900436Issue #54.
>>584900595Do you think there is any symbolism to the lantern light being green?
>>584899943That wasn't true until recently though.Even Manoa shows Metal has/had multiple shells/bodies.Gamma got reused for thr E-1000s and Chaos Gamma, who are also based on the Egg Robos.Mecha Mark 1 became Mark 2 and 3.The Advance games had Egan make improved versions of his previous mechs as well.The idea of him treating Metal special is a case of fanon entering canon because of fans getting involved.
>>584899990>It's literally trueNo it isn't. >Adventure shit sabotaged the entire concept of alternate playable characters and now only sonic and shadow can get any focusYou don't wanna admit it, but people conplaining about other characters had less to do with different gameplay styles and just not being Sonic and being seen as getting in the way regardless.
>>584896007https://www.diffchecker.com/lwBAsvIX/Hey rapper 007 so these lyrics are pretty much the same and yesterday I had do a few grammar error changes, a few innuendos and tildes and star symbol removals so the singer doesn't get confused.I am however thinking of adding a lot more:>My tarot cards are Based>My tarot cards are Basedto give it more melodic musical segments. I'll try with a few more programs and then remaster it and see what I get.Also feel free to give me links and ideas for Amy's art. I fixed her boots, but I'm still not satisfied, especially with the zoomed out perspective. I think I'll remove the microphone and make her sing via smoking a dinner-length cigarette, but honestly I need to figure out a certain idea and art style that reallys sticks out.>>584897392No, but seems like you found the guy posting his arguments on /pol/ and /vr/ that Tails is a girl. I simply call you a faggot and get it over with. Also you owe me 20000 Angora Turkish cats, you hear me? those things need to spread and breed and return to their original nordic origins - no way they were originally from Turkey.
>>584900452I don't want to speak too much on j's private life but due to their experiences and personal hangups they have problems with violent scenes in general regardless of gender i think. j's a special case.
Should Sonic get a gacha game that lets you recruit ridiculous characters like Titan Tails and Knuckles' entire family tree?
>>584896993Cute N Canon!
>>584900771>That wasn't true until recently though.In Chaotix (32x), Eggman supposedly recovered Metal's CPU and rebuilt him. I think this was the first time the games ever stipulated that Eggman rebuilt one of his failed robots.>Mecha Mark 1 became Mark 2 and 3.Apparently not according to the designer of Mecha MK.II.
>>584900719>Green lights are often a symbol for renewel, green represents health, harmony, and growth.>glowing green light or orb in folkloric or spiritual contexts is frequently interpreted as a sign of healing, mental clarity, guidance, or an incoming positive shift.HmmIt was most likely used to create a creepy eerie atmosphere.It was where Surge started hallucinating Dr. Starline being in the same room before Kit calmed her down.It's also a similar color used to the Masked Benefactor's fogs and illusions.
>>584901193Gachas are the money maker, but if they wait even 2 more lousy years they'll be too late to the punch.SEGA always does poorman versions while trying to be fresh and novel like Adventure having 6 playable characters together with a campaign all about fishing. Kid Chameleon that tried to be Super Mario World on steroids, but the gamedevs at SEGA didn't understand basic shit like a level skip like Mario has. The Roblox game is already kind of a gotta catch em all//gacha game.
>>584901053Amy's hammer is a squeaky hammer anyway so it hardly matters.Amy is hardly the most violent character, even with the hammer played straight.>they have problems with violent scenes in general regardless of gender i think. j's a special case.They trooned out, didn't they?
>>584899516Both. But Marine seems like the better time.
>>584901193Wasn't that gonna be Sonic Blitz?
>>584901618Point still stands.
>>584901887Yeah, still, out of respect i won't tell you the details of their live i speculate made them that way
>>584902265>>584902025Eastern artists ignore dapple even more
The fionafag is a drama shit stirrer who can't talk about over half the franchise because they only want to talk about the comics. Remind her this whenever she tries to act like she is above it all. She is also probably the one of the anons who posts Tails cuckshit randomly without prompt. She is worse than the namefags she bitches about. She is just here to shitpost.
Have a lovely sunday!!
>>584902119That's fine. Wasn't gonna ask. It really isn't my business. I have a pretty decent picture in my head as is anyway.
>>584898780"Modern shit" is the only reason anyone knows Amy exists or cares about her. CD would have never gotten a remake if SA1 didn't make it canon to the main series. In your "ideal world" Amy would be more forgotten than Ray.>>584901012True.
>>584902789Thanks, you too.
Hey... what about her? What do we think of her?
>>584902865
>>584902864>CD would have never gotten a remake if SA1 didn't make it canonHonest question, do you think Metal Sonic would have also been forgotten with Amy if SA1 didn't canonize CD?
>>584902864>CD would have never gotten a remake if SA1 didn't make it canon to the main series.>>584903151>if SA1 didn't canonize CD?What the actual fuck are you retards talking about?
>>584903151Yes, but his roles or similar might have been taken by the equivalent robot in Sonic 2 anyway.
Piss and Shit are my favorite characters.
>>584903263Play the games.
>>584902789You too, Amyfriend!
I LOVE DRAWING CIRCLESTHEY'RE ROUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUND
>>584903441That doesn't even make sense as a response. What is this stupid bullshit about CD not being canon until SA1? Kill yourselves.
>>584903263CD was skipped in most Classic Sonic compilations, it's the only game to not use the Chaos Emeralds and it was made by a different team. It was a weird side game most people didn't play and I think it would have been fair, at least western fans, to question its canonicity until SA1 confirmed it.
ALSO I LOVE AMY!
are any of the IDW oc's in the next game
>>584903910Because most "compilations" were just for Genesis. The ones that weren't specifically Genesis did include it more often than not. Also that's not CD in the SA1 intro, you retard.
>>584904006Blackwood will be there
>>584903995Sonic...
>>584899516Cream is a sweetheart. Marine is ... not lady-like.
>>584903995Everybody Loves Amy
>>584903728Sonic CD wasn't part of the main series. It was a side game like the other side games from the time. Adventure was the first game to treat it on the same level as the original trilogy. You would know this if you played the games.
>>584904046Most people didnt even play CD until the Gems Collection.The Mega Collections didn't even have em despite having the gamegear/master system games.
Cream inducing suicide.
>>584903710Circles are cute. I like round things
>>584904587I've played more Sonic games this year alone than you have in your life. I told you to kill yourself. Don't keep me waiting.
>Fails
Metaphor is officially the first Sega game to support DLSS, the Nintendo Switch 2 release marks Sega’s first toe dip into the tech.They also fucked it upInstead of setting the output render to 2560x1440p they did 2560x720p. Same with portable mode, it’s supposed to be 1920x1080p and instead they fucked it up and did 1920x540pThe game now looks like it has interlaced scanlines like a PS2 era game
ay mama
>>584904917You've never played a Sonic game, you didn't even know CD wasn't canon until 1998.
Scribbles please make love to me and tell me Sonic facts
>>584904046>Because most "compilations" were just for Genesis.Sonic CD is a Genesis game.
CD got astroturfed online because of Romhackers and people mythmaking about it and the OVA being made together and concurrently.
If Sonic had a truly consistent canon, the only games that could reasonably fit would be CD, 2, 3&K, SA1 and SA2.Both CD and 2 are essentially remakes/retellings of Sonic 1, the former being a redux of the "save the environment" plot (it would also likely take place first, as the manual for 1 says it is the first time Eggman uses animals to power his robots, whereas he uses plants instead in CD) and the latter changing the number and resting place of the Chaos Emeralds without explanation (6 emeralds on South Island > 7 on West Side Island). As for 3&K and the Adventure games, there's nothing in them to my knowledge that contradicts what came before (the Super Emeralds were already confirmed non-canon, and the Modern designs are nothing more than an artstyle change).Heroes is when Sonic Team's disregard for continuity really starts to show like retconning the moon destruction literally the game before and pretty much throwing out Knukcles' character just to make him part of Sonic's hero team, and it only gets worse from there. And I'm only talking about the mainline games. The 8-bit games take place in their own little canon built around Sonic 1, and everything else may as well be non-canon.
Alright fess up, which of the namefags was from Turkey? I wrote a song about Turkey.
I don't think most kids were wondering if CD was canon or not. For them it was just another Sonic Game.
Sonic doesn't respect you as a player.
>>584905179>it would also likely take place first, as the manual for 1 says it is the first time Eggman uses animals to power his robots, whereas he uses plants instead in CDUsing animals at one point doesn't mean he can't use plants at a later point. Either way, it doesn't matter, CD was clearly meant to be its own thing.>As for 3&KSimilarly to Sonic 2 and CD recycling the stones backstory, it also recycled the Westside backstory for its new island. Sonic Team's always had these little inconsistencies from one game to the next, don't think about it.
>>584902864In my ideal world, all the characters in SA1 would've gotten a fucking spindash
>>584905275If they played other Sonic games, they probably thought it was weird they were collecting Time Stones rather than Chaos Emeralds. lol
>>584905103I mean by that logic so is Knuckles' Chaotix.
>>5849051791-06 Blaze isn't from future, she's from Sol but game is unfinished so they didn't get to show how she got there.(probably sol emeralds called her) 2-In japanese, it is called ''another world'' for classic sonic, considering silver is also said to be from another world in sonic channel along with blaze and ariem, different time=different world.both are non-problems.things like ''moon actually turned over'' are also okay because sonic series is more about themes and characters than hard worldbuilding.
>>584905179Bait used to be believable.
>>584905560Even Big and Gamma?
>>584905643A spinoff game that was in the same tier as CD before SA1 made it more important than it originally was, yes.
>>584905735Especially Big and Gamma
>>584905059
>>584905735Yes, if Big had a spindash and the dumbass fishing wasn't necessary to finish his story, he wouldn't have become the jar jar binks of the series
>>584905652Now that i think about it, while Eggman/Nega descendants things was in Iizuka's game rather than in 06, maybe 06 blaze doesn't know sonic because rush couldn't happen in the solaris timeline(Eggman died in the crash) and that's why blaze is ok with sonic getting murked
>>584905571I don't think anyone other than you is retarded enough to question why there are "Time Stones" in a game about time travel.
>>584905560Your ideal world is boring and makes no sense.
>>584905643You would be correct, Chaotix is pretty much in the same space as CD, but also, Chaotix 32X isn't seen as canon by ST. And this was before they started using "canon" as a sales pitch.
>>584905745And yet at no point in my childhood did I question if either was canon to the rest of the series before playing SA1. And yes, I had (still have) both.
>>584905705But he's right?
>>584905075I have a theory that he hates the comics and tries to be nice about it. A lot of his jokes revolve around mocking something the comics came up with like Uwuver or Archie Shadow. He also always avoids putting the game character at the butt of those jokes. The new smallboard drawfag does something similar.I don't want to freak him out, but I've been trying to find his posts in the archive. He seems nice enough. I wouldn't fuck him though, that sounds weird.
>>584901012This logic is dogshit. The other characters were seen as getting in the way because their gameplay was shit and they were mandatory to get the full story. No one had a problem with Tails or Knuckles until they were used for shitty minigames and were necessary to reach the true ending.
>>584906298No he (You)aren't and I don't have the patience to explain why anymore.
>>584906393People complained all the time about characters that were never even playable, so shut up already.
>>584906570>I don't have the patience to explain why anymore.Then why even reply?
>>584906090I don't know what logic you think you're using, but anyone who was playing games back then, even in the west where we didn't get all of them, still had Metal in Triple Trouble, Amy and Metal in Drift 2/R, and Amy, Metal, and Espio in Fighters. You can also dig deep into the bottom of the barrel and we had Amy in Pico Gameworld. There was never any reason to believe that either CD or Chaotix was somehow not consistent with the rest of the series.
>>584906089Instead we got a pile of shit games and nothing but Sonic and tails for a decade
>>584906570He's right. Sonic Team never followed hard continuity. They always had loose continuity and ignored contradictions.
Now that I think about it, were there any other games where you collect something other than the Chaos Emeralds? I know the Boom games didn't have the CEs but were there any other none CE collectables?
>>584906674And tendies too, for good boys only.
>>584906393>The other characters were seen as getting in the way because their gameplay was shitNo, thry were seen as getting in the way because you had to play as em at all.Heroes and 06 are proof.People back then complained about the Team system because they viewed it as the game forcing them to play as characters other than Sonic.06 has 1 gameplaystyle where you have small breaks where you use another character for a bit and this existing at all was the issue with people.These people simply did not like or care about characters other than Sonic. If they did, they wouldnt have asked for them to all be gone and for only Tails to be an NPC.Trying to blame just alt gameplay in Adventure games is scapegoating.
>>584906851You reminded me I should make chicken tenders today or tomorrow.
>>584906802Secret Rings?
>>584906705Except the main games being different from CD, not including CD events in their timeline, not featuring CD characters, not following CD lore, not following CD game design conventions, etc. CD was in the same non-canon spinoff area as those other games you mentioned.>>584906802Sol Emeralds, but I know that's not what you meant.
Modernbab melty uh oh!
>>584906802Blast on Game Gear had you collecting fragments of a single emerald, but that's all I can think of off the top of my head. There might be something else if I think long enough.
>>584905843even as someone that speaks spanish I have no clue what is being said or what the joke is
>>584906670I have to want to explain why you are wrong in detail to reply?
>>584906580Fuck you, the characters weren't a problem until SA1 and SA2 made them a joke
>>584906802>>584907058 (me)And as soon as I hit the button, I remembered the Chaos Rings in Chaotix.
>>584907008I wish i was with you, we could eat tenders together.
Why didn’t frontiers definitive edition get any marketing? Like 4 Nintendo directs happened between the boxes showing up at store shelves with no reveal, they didn’t give it a Zelda costume like people expected, they just kinda dropped it
>>584906956True, it's sad that people try to rationalize that stuff.
To be honest i don't see amy becoming popular if she had kept her classic design
>>584907252I make them myself, breading and everything. They're delicious.
>>584907049>Except the main gamesYour logic falls apart right here. There were no "main games" back then. That's a modern distinction. The Game Gear games were just as much main games as the Genesis ones were in the 90s.
>>584906725There is no point in having different characters if they are just gonna play exactly like Sonic.The people who hated Sonic's shitty friends didnt magically like Shadow even though he did.They bitched about Marine existing even though she wasnt even playable.The simple fact is these people were chuds who saw playing as Sonic as getting to play as Duke Nukem and didnt like having to play as loser retards and and dumb girls instead.
>>584906956Heroes and 06 were janky, unfinished piles of shit where even Sonic didn't control right
>>584907392>They're deliciousLike a foxo?
>>584907419The Game Gear games weren't main series games. The main series was the numbered trilogy and everything else was an offbrand spinoff.
>>584897819Evan reminds me of that one ppg reboot writer who shipped himself with Blossom
>>584907190Fuck are you talking about SA1 and 2 was the peak for basically all the characters
>>584907049What main games? Sonic 3 and Sonic and Knuckles? What would you expect?
Who would be the Rick and Morty of Sonic?
>>584897392You're going to love this song:https://voca.ro/1atFC9PIhseU
>>584906354I don't hate any of the comics. I just don't take them for character stuff.
>>584907774Sonic 1, Sonic 2, Sonic 3 & Knuckles was the main series as of 1994, yes.
>>584907875You can't fool me
>>584906753None of the things listed are real issues or contradictions though.>>584906802Time Stones in CDWorld Rings in Secret RingsThe Sacred Swords in Black Knight(?)Sol Emeralds in Rush gamesSA1 and 2 had Master Emerald shards and Keys.Unleashed has Sun/Moon Tokens but those are just gameplayChaotix had the Chaos RingsShuffle had the Precious Stones.
>>584907623At least she doesn't self insert as a man-looking woman. At least.
>>584907623It's funny that i am hearing people talk about that kind of stuff about evan outside of this place
>>584907487The point is that the characters are shown to be competent enough to compare to Sonic and eventually get their own games, which is what any other competent franchise would do
>>584907841Rick is nine, morty is... cream.
>>584907618Tails appeared in the 8-bit games before he appeared in the Genesis games, but okay, sure, yeah, they don't matter at all I guess.
Remind Tailsfags that Nine Inch Tails was drawn by a tranny
>>584908045Tails had his game in classic eraArguably knuckles chaotix is knuckles'sShadow didArguably rush is more of a blaze game than a sonic one
>>584908085That's an interesting pair
>>584907318Like a lot of things, they just wanna make it seem more logical and justified because then it makes it seem like it was inevitable and more legitimate. It's weird but its how our culture is.
>>584908086Tails was made for Sonic 2 on the Mega Drive. The 8-bit spinoff game was made by another team that had access to the main developer's notes. A spinoff releasing before the original game (a claim for which there is no real proof) doesn't make it his original intended appearance.
>>584907626Maybe if their gameplay wasn't shit in those games, they wouldn't have become useless npcs for a decade
>>584907385She wouldn't. Her resesign did a lot to make her a more stand out character with stronger stage presence.
>>584908472SA2's gameplay is great.
>>584907879Sonic's not responsible for chasing after the chaos emeralds. He can decide to do something else for one game.
>>584899516Yes.
>>584907419DeluluPeople saw handheld games as lesser stock than console games, ans games on peripherals were seen as weird and exotic. This was true even back then.
>>584908450And yet Tails's birthday was two days ago, not next month.
>>584907294I'm going to chalk it up to Sonic Team's incompetence. Why are they so idiotic? They didn't even bother to create hype for the definitive edition
>>584907537Skill issue for Heroes.06 Sonic is only really "bad" from the prospect of being a person who likes 3D Sonic already. For a normie, there isnt anything inherently or overly jank about his controls.
>>584908648Yeah, for a main series game made by the main series team following the main series design timeline and conventions. That had not happened as of 1994.>>584908739Tails' birthday is next month. He always gets more art and attention on the actual date.
https://www.tumblr.com/samsheadraws/810187177229221888/howdy-im-here-with-a-comic-i-did-for-the-free?source=share
>>584908234Tails and Knuckles played reasonably similar to Sonic in the classic games and got their own spin-offs, but the adventure games fucked them overShadow and Blaze played reasonably similar to Sonic and got their own games but 06 fucked them overWhat about this is so difficult to understand?
Best purple girl
>>584908630that's where the series should've ended
>>584907294Small indie company, please understand.It’s just Frontiers: Switch 2 Edition, not worth spending a whole lot on advertising beyond a trailer and social media posts. Funniest thing was that people were seriously hyping it up after the initial leak “oh man, what if they updated the model?! Overhauled the gameplay?! Rewrote the story?!” lol
>>584909163Off model garbage.
>>584909067Tails' spinoffs play nothing like the main games. The Adventure games did not "fuck him over", they gave him some of his best gameplay and story content ever.
>>584908350it's wild how popular a sonic character can become when the developers actually know what they're doing
>>584909471>Mighty and Ray>popular
>>584909067Tails and knuckles were playable for long and returned to be playableShadow was already fucked from his own game before 06, but he returned to be playable06 blaze plays like sonic's and drama around her beyond discussing her origins came from blazefags scapegoating silver for why she isn't a mc.
>>584908045>The point is that the characters are shown to be competent enough to compare to SonicNo because then people would bitch about them upstaging Sonic, like with Shadow.>which is what any other competent franchise would doDude youre writing one hell of a fanfic. This isn't what happens with other series at all.Mario has them because the series can afford to or because the person who made it just wanted to.Wario literally only exists because the dev eho was made to work on SuperMarioLand didnt evrn wanna make Mario games, so he made Wario as a joke to shit on Mario anf then used it as an excuse to make his own shit.DK only has his own series because Mario himself ran away eith thr brand but DK still has clout for marketing, and even then another studio basically had to adopt DK in order for DKC to exist. Miyamoto famously made fun of the series for being carried by meme graphics.When Rare was dropped, DK went dormant and just became a background Mario character again.Luigi had a tech demo that didnt produce a sequel for 25 years.Mario has these spinoffs because Nintendo has so many people working on the IP that dont wanna make more MarioSlop so they make new or use existing characters as excuses to do other shit.Meanwhile Zelda didnt get a game until like 3 years ago.MetaKnight and Dedede are stuck with the ShadowGens treatment if they are lucky.Pokemon actually makes LESS spinoffs now.
>>584909471I guess that tracks given Shadow is more popular than most of the characters in that image.
>>584906802>I know the Boom games didn't have the CEsInstead, they had "Chaos Crystals" cause former Naughty Dog devs and this was a repurposed Crash Bandicoot game.
>>584908804
>>584908086You're proving his point though because no one, including Sonic Team, considers anything Tails' first appearance other than Sonic 2 on MD/Genesis.
>>584909940I could dig out all sorts of posts about Tails birthday celebrations from two years ago but all that would do is waste my time when I could just as easily say that considering nothing except the numbered Genesis games as canon is retarded because no one in the fanbase thought that way back then and they still don't.
>>584909870AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE DELETE THIS IT RUINS MY AGENDA
>>584909870Yes, the average normal child doesn't go out of his way to break scripted sequences on purpose.
>>584909870This isn't a controls thing though? You have to do it on purpose as well.Stop making me defend 06.
>>584907875So what do you consider for characterization resources? Not asking you to post your notes, I'm just curious.
>>584909417>Tails' spinoffs play nothing like the main games.That's how it's supposed to work. He got a spinoff in the first place because he was actually fun to play in the main series>The Adventure games did not "fuck him over", they gave him some of his best gameplay and story content ever.Then why hasn't he done anything better since?
>>584910059 (me)>two years agotwo days ago*
An Amyanon spoke of replaying an Advance game a few a threads anon, is that anon still around?
>>584907875>I just don't take them for character stuff.??????????? So all the side media characters you got yourself are OOC by default? What?
>>584909690Why is Shadow the only one who's gotten a new game since?
>>58490847206’s shit gameplay is what ruined it for everyone
>>584909067>Tails and Knuckles played reasonably similar to Sonic in the classic games and got their own spin-offs, but the adventure games fucked them overWhy are you blaming thr adventure games instead of their spinoffs then?Also, I thought you people loved SA1 Tails.You're just creating convenient stories.
>>584910227Yes, there were some fan posts two days ago. There were also Tails discussing how we don't know the actual release date of the game and how it doesn't matter because it's not the game he was made for. Wait for his actual birthday next month and you'll see a staggering difference in how much people celebrate. Or just look at the threads from last year.
>>584909471No one plays as anyone but Sonic and Ray in Mania.On rare occasion, people play Knuckles for his unique Mirage Saloon level and &Knuckles memes but thats it.
>>584910315>>584910557Why is AI art all still slop? Surely we've built enough data centers for it to stop being slop.
>>584910507See, you're still so fixated on what's "main" and "canon" that you keep missing the point. There isn't such a thing. There never was.
>>584910059>one in the fanbaseYour minority of autists on your IRC chat weren't the whole fandom dude.
>>584910225Tails' spin off was a small release by one of the Game Gear Sonic developers and had little to do with Tails or how Sonic games look and play, though. It seems like it was more of an excuse for them to make an experimental game.>>584909067A group of people just disliked 3D Sonic and Sonic's side cast (anyone past Sonic and Eggman in some cases) back then. They wouldn't have been any happier if Amy was a Sonic clone with a bonus attack because they'd still hate her as a character (because they did) and ask for it to be about Sonic and Eggman, and having a less unique playable Amy would just mean that the arguably better playable versions of her in portable games and Heroes wouldn't exist due to these being inspired by Adventure and some people finding her unique gameplay interesting. Many old series had people demanding nostalgic material in the late 2000s/early 10s, as well.
>>584910685People making them are lazy.
>>584909163wrong
>>584910557Cute N Canon!
>>584910059>>584910227>>584910738Sonic Team officially considers Tails' anniversary to be in November. Sonic 2 (Mega Drive) is officially Tails' debut.https://x.com/SonicOfficialJP/status/1197356464458723329https://x.com/SonicOfficialJP/status/1462209214705975296https://x.com/SonicOfficialJP/status/1596035960692686848
>>584910225>He got a spinoff in the first place because he was actually funNo...he got a spinoff because back then there was just more freedom and one of the devs felt like it. The other one was literally a disney game reskin.Tails Adventure wasnt even made by the main Sonic Team.
>>584910119>>584910124this series being for kids is not an excuse for poor quality
>>584910153If the games ever set a precedent for something I take a note, regardless of if there's any contradiction between them. I'm biased towards Maekawa specifically though.I take note of things said in interviews as well but I don't really challenge anyone on Word of God.>>584910319Whoa no lol. I meant for characters like Sonic himself. If a character didn't originate from the games I just stick with what was written for them. If they're from SatAM they get their SatAM personality, including anything I can find from Hurst. Scourge is technically an exception I guess. Evil Sonic rather than evil Archie Sonic.
>>584910396Movie 3 increased his popularity among casuals and he was the second, if not the first popular character even before, as well as being more accesible since he already plays into sonic rivalry stuff.
> We could have had Relic and Gold in IDW by now
>>584911372You are responding to a strawman and changing the subject of the conversation.
>>584911114>some people finding her unique gameplay interesting.all 5 of them
>>5849112961992年の11/21は「ソニック・ザ・ヘッジホッグ2」の発売日でした!かわいい弟分、マイルス “テイルス” パウアー君のデビュー作。シッポでプロペラ加速をするキュートな姿は衝撃的でした!はや28年、彼はソニックの弟分にして頼れるサイドキックとして今も活躍し続けています。【チャンネルスタッフ】November 21, 1992, was the release date of *Sonic the Hedgehog 2*! It marked the debut of Sonic’s adorable little brother figure, Miles "Tails" Prower. Seeing him use his tails like a propeller to gain speed was truly a striking sight! Twenty-eight years later, he remains an active presence—not just as Sonic’s little brother, but as a dependable sidekick. [Channel Staff]Onii-chan
>>584911535Starstormskies is the most obvious bait account in the entire fandom and people fall for it because he pretends to be an IDWfag
>>584910738"There is no war in ba sing se" stopped working years ago, Retroid
>>584910319He should do this
>>584910738Sonic team released a timeline some time ago.
>>584911372No one said it was. You claimed the issue was the controls and used the tacky way loops are coded as an argument. Which is retarded.
>>584911535Most of these are trash, garbage designs inferior to any IDW OC. The only ones worth mentioning are Scourge and Gold. And even if they wanted to bring back Gold she would have to be completely unrelated to Silver future.
>>584911641If you're the one posting classic Amy as an example, that's a bold thing to say when classic Amy has way less fans than Adventure and onward Amy, and Megamix Mania Amy only results as a result of classic Amy being established as a playable character in classic fan stuff, starting with Amy in 16-bit Sonic game hacks. These hacks used Advance 1 Amy as inspiration for how to implement Amy, so even if some fan games do things differently now, it's unlikely a playable classic Amy would be around without people liking her playstyle in early 2000s.
>>584910557Aislop but i don't see why taiream became popular other than ''both kids''
>>584910319Making all the game characters IC and mischaracterizing all the non canon characters would be great. Everyone should do that.
Too obvious Krack.
>>584910557nice background OCs
>>584911779This guy almost never says anything good, what do you think he is.>>584912079Is there any genuine Goldfag, the only time i see this character being mentioned is either silverfags bithcing about the ''gold only likes confident and capable people'' thing or blazefags trying to bargain with silvazefags trying to use her. scourge definitely has his fans
>>584911580Spinny boi
>>584912354>what do you think he is.JPfag who knows exactly what JP fans don't want to hear. In one of his recent tweets he says Archie Sonic is superior to the original vision
>>584911961Actually, this is the real timeline
>>584909217Sonic was never meant to end, it's a mascot franchise. It's Sega and Sonic Team's fault for having constant game releases back then and not improving upon the 3D Sonic gameplay they already had, the Adventure games had so much room too improve onNo one was asking for Sonic Heroes after SA2 or at least that game is a very strange response to what people didn't like about SA2. That game doesn't satisfy anyone. Classicfags didn't ask for the team gimmick and for a game that was meant to introduce newcomers to Sonic, it doesn't represent what Sonic's gameplay has been up to this point. In fact the team gameplay was never ever seen again despite people have been asking for a sequel so what was the point of that game?After SA2 instead of making a new adventure game with just speed levels designed around all the characters or just take the gameplay from Sonic Advance which they also made around the same time and make that 3D, they made Sonic Heroes instead. It didn't give anyone want they want
>>584912485ah, yes. hmm, indeed. why, yes.
>>584912090Amy in Sonic 3 is still peakhttps://youtu.be/VqQJW3WYo0c
>>584911392You should intentionally make all Westshit characters as OOC as you can to reverse the bullshit pulled by Archie
>>584912481What makes you think he's troll or bait rather than a genuine archie/westfag
>>584912594Iizuka said Heroes (and most games since) were made to attract a new audience, instead of satisfying existing fans, which by contrast he says was the focus of Sonic 2, 3&K, SA1, and SA2. He said this was because they were SEGA console games, so they already had a good established audience thanks to also releasing the hardware.
>>584912639It is.
>>584912925I took a look at his profile. He posts extremely frequent inflammatory opinions. You can find him just rapidly posting things like "I think Sonic should show more vulnerability, he's too stoic in the adventure games" or "Sonic Team shouldn't be in charge of the characters anymore, they clearly don't understand them as much as Ian Flynn" and he will make like 8 of these tweets in a single hour. He's doing it on purpose.
>>584911392How do you handle it for characters like Surge or the Freedom Fighters, who NEED Sonic to be OOC in order to function.
Sonic characters with this feel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgSCiMKG5EM
>>584912090if her playstyle in advance and adventure wasn't so shit, she would've been playable more often in general
>>584912594>No one was asking for Sonic Heroes after SA2 or at least that game is a very strange response to what people didn't like about SA2Heroes exists because Sonic went third party and they knew they were reaching a side audience, so they wanted to give people a more quintessential Sonic structure and styled game.>That game doesn't satisfy anyone. Classicfags didn't ask for the team gimmick and for a game that was meant to introduce newcomers to Sonic, it doesn't represent what Sonic's gameplay has been up to this point. Most people loved/liked Heroes even though not everyone considered it their fave game. The complainers were just loud.Even critics said it was good, even if it reviewed less good compared to Adventure 2.
>>584913319Her playstyle in SA1 is fun and the best she's ever been.
>>584912079Relic could easily fit into the IDW cast
>>584911843>>584912231>>584907953>>584906354>>584913174I'm not Scribbles but please stop pressuring and stalking that man everywhere as you can. Dude just want to have fun himself with stuff he likes. It's really creepy you guys do this, following him and asking very loaded questions to a one-man team who just wants to have fun himself, as if he's a company to you all.It's like if Scribbles wanted to one day make all characters very different and scrap half of it or some shit like that, you guys would all riot and make this general unusable for months. I know he said he's making it for /sthg/ but he would keep making the game for himself anyway above all else.I know I'm sounding very corny and I dunno how would I word it any other way, but I'm being serious. Please leave him be. It's his own game.
Love always prevail
>>584913406that's why they abandoned it after one game
>>584913106>"Sonic Team shouldn't be in charge of the characters anymore, they clearly don't understand them as much as Ian Flynn"This is correct though?
>>584912485Naw, also "idoit" lol.
>>584913429She would just be the same as Jewel/Belle
>>584913580/sthg/ user discovers that Sonic Team is retarded
>>584913580They abandoned the Mega Drive physics because they realized they were shit and outdated.
>>584913667Relic=Jewel>>>>>>Belle
>>584913537https://x.com/El_Jerru/status/2110120366798721340
>>584913429Is that a body suit?>>584912354She has fans, just none here besides coomers
>>584913319No, because her character and Sonic friends in general were disliked at the time, and so were the 3D games. Hacks involving her being made due to people liking the Advance 1 playstyle indicates that there was enough of an audience to want specifically that, and some people even play Advance 1 because of her unique playstyle in it.
<3
>>584913747More like Yuji Naka got gone and nobody knew how to implement them until Taxman came around.
>>584913537and then Silver woke up alone in his perpetually ruined future
cnchh
>>584913938Yuji Naka was with them until 2006, he didn't care about the meme physics. Regardless, the point was that your "they stopped doing it because it was bad" argument is stupid.
>>584912975>>584913349They wanted to make a new audience but they didn't want to feed that new audience they gained with a sequel?
>>584913876I don't think i've seen anyone even outside of here talk about her outside of the 2 instances i talked about
>>584913580They dropped it for Advance 2 due to it being unfitting for that game, and sought to return it in Advance 3. Even Advance 2 Amy was still made to be slightly similar by being the more limited character of the game she's in.
Abandoning the physical complexity of the classic games in SA1 was a mistake
Sonic had a transition to 3D
>>584914007>shadamy>cnclol
Pet boy.
Still losers?
>>584914267And it wasn't good!>>584914338Yes!!!
>>584913174There's a lot of characters where their dynamic from the source material wouldn't survive with the game version of a character. I try not to overcorrect (don't like spite writing) that stuff but I did write around it. Tom for example. Tom is present, but he's never been Sonic's father figure. There's a number of characters like that. Sonia, Manic, Scourge ect. For a lot of the western characters, they just haven't even met, like Monkey Khan.
>shadamy>cnc
If we all loved Tails the world would be a better place
>>584913319Amy was consistently playable in the Adventure era. Even Adventure 2 and Advance 2 have her in Multi-player and as an unlock.Riders gave her a story race just for shits and giggles.06 gave her 2 level.The only games where she wasn't were the Rivals games and I guess Rush (where no one but Sonic and Blaze were even playable)The real thing that got Amy was just that she didn't get any major story lead moments other than SA1 and Heroes. But the fact she got that in Heroes at all shows she was liked well enough by the devs.In hindsight, Amy had it better than other characters in the 2000s.
>>584913174>How do you handle it for characters like Surge or the Freedom Fighters, who NEED Sonic to be OOC in order to function.Nahhttps://files.catbox.moe/qvtiqs.mp4
>>584914223The "physical complexity of the classic games" is a pretentious concept made up by fans that doesn't exist in the game design and wasn't taken in consideration by the level design. It's giving the peculiarities of the game's code post-hoc importance. You see similar things with speedrunners abusing glitches or other technicalities, except in that case they're actually playing the game, instead of making things up to call themselves superior to fans of other games online. Naka, who programmed the game, has never cared, and whenever he spoke about his game design his ideas were always around simplicity and accessibility, the opposite of complexity.
>>584914114People keep drawing her unlike 90% of the Archie cast so she has some fans
>>584914456>ScourgeSonic lives a free life with no rules. Scourge would be the evil version of that.
>>584914443Good would be an understatement, it was amazing.
>Open link>Hear foid voice>Immediately closeFuck off.
>>584914968Meds
>>584914909I think that's really fun.
>>584914908>pawsNo, thank you.
>>584914745Surge would NOT sound like this
>>584914095Sonic Heroes still has a lot of the DNA o the Adventure games. It's why fans of the Adventure games consider it part of the formula.
Silver is too sweet for Shadow
>>584914908how much of her fanart is just lewd art though? People draw porn of characters they don't care about all the time
>>584914757Yeah Naka made the controls simple with his one button philosophy thing. But the classic games are very involved with it's physics, and they do take them into account in the level design. Comparing the movement techniques in the classic games to speedrun glitches is stupid
>>584913580She was too hard for young girls so thry replaced her with Cream.But they brought Amy's gameplay from 1 back for Adv 3
>>584915072I refuse to interact with foids beyond calling them baby murderers.
>>584915102How should she sound then?
>>584914745This Surge is a yandere?
>>584914661>06 gave her 2 level.1 level*
Image name randomizers should be a bannable offense. It makes it impossible to find schizos or falseflag attempts.
>>584914223I'll give SA1 a pass for being the first attempt and being limited to early 3D hardware limiting the kind of level design they really wanted to make but couldn'tBut once they moved to stronger consoles they still kept those same limitations and never tried to open up and implement the classic design mentalities in 3D
>>584915264just give her a goddamn spinball
>>584896736Bellefags really just throwing anything out to defend their shitty character...
>>584915227>But the classic games are very involved with it's physicsThey're not. The code is complex because programming character controls is complex, the gameplay is simple and doesn't require nor expect you to take any of it into account.
>>584915227>and they do take them into account in the level design.For automation
>>584915106I don't. It's controls, physics and level design is way worse
>>584915421No. She's mad that he didn't save her from Starline, and got madder when Sonic didn't remember her
>>584897157This character is just tits.
>>584915659So electro
>>584915487You're boring.>>584914223No, it was the right move.
>>584915227It's true that the anon you're replying to was excessive, but there is some truth to it. A lot of classic fans tend to use physics to make themselves seem elite when they only care about playing them casually, not being interested in playing well. It's why people who tend to be pompous about it usually only post a few of the same kinds of skips, and almost never full stages or some of the more unique designed ones like Collision Chaos. These kinds of people also tend to give no chances to games that change the physics or the direction of stage design, even though said games offer a lot to players that are interested in playing them well or change elements to suit their design (Chaotix and most portable games)
>>584915619A lot of times they even have fully scripted automation like the rest of the series. See the tubes in Chemical Plant, or the balls in Oil Ocean.
>>584915535The classic games can be approached in various ways yes. You can still use specific, intended maneuvers to go faster in the level design>>584915619No>>584915468Even in SA1 they could've and should've done a better job
>>584915487If You Know What I Mean Ha Ha Ha !!!
>>584913430I'm just interested in what he has to say. You can't keep the character interactions the same as the comics and cartoons in an everythingverse where the game characterizations exist. As long as he sticks to that I won't have any problem. I trust him, for now.
>>584915861>You can still use specific, intended maneuvers to go faster in the level designLike in the rest of the series. That's not "physics complexity". It's just playing well.
>>584915623>It's controlsIt controls fine. Heroes is faster because levels are bigger and the characters are smaller on screen.>>584915623>physicsGame actually makes a great deal of use of it>and level designVery good level design. Mogs SA1 and even most of SA2 and the level themes are top tier
>>584915753From TASM2?
>>584915828So what if they choose to play them casually? And what does it mean to play "casually", because even if you're not trying to beat some time or whatever you still take decisions in game to play the game in a more satisfying way which includes using skips. Its not even hard to utilize the classic physics to your advantage at all unless you are completely unfamiliar with the game
>>584915828Hi Zach
>>584915939For the record, I'm not exactly doing "Everything is canon". Locations from the movies and characters from side media are there, but the world isn't a merged setting. No Prince Sonic or anything like that.
>>584914745Wow finally a voice that isn't masculine sounding or Juniper Lee's voice.Too bad it still sounds like a quirky teenager instead of a grown ass woman. Why don't these kids just volunteer their parents to do these voices for them? Are they ashamed of their hobbies? >>584914968>>584915295Trying way too hard to fit in here, foid. Unless you didn't get the memo: this entire general is foids.
sally
>>584916157>Its not even hard to utilize the classic physics to your advantageThat's because there is nothing complex about them. It applies to the Adventure games as well.
>>584916028The level design is so great they had to copy and paste those same sections several times
>>584915379https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ttn4e2spPs
>>584915975That is physics complexity because these skips requires the use of the game's physics directly. Modern games have baby physics
>>584916231>Too bad it still sounds like a quirky teenager instead of a grown ass woman.Surge IS a teenager.
So who's the obese cunt that's from Turkey? one of yours?
>>584916231Yea, I can tell this general is full of foids because of how often drama happens here. Only foids act obsessively stalk their sexual competition online. Because they are retarded and are addicted to attention. Which is why you should not pay them any mind other than to remind them that they are baby murderers.
>>584915830Or the bumper hallways in Carnival Nights, yes.
>>584916221While you're here, how are you handling the Sonic X characters? You made Chris and Hope grown ups and have their child selves too. Sonic X directly covers the adventure era do it can't coexist with them. I'm guessing Chris and Hope are major since they're the only ones with two different version ages.
Sonamy.
>>584916441And? You don't put an actual teenager to voice mascot characters. You put a 30 year old man to do it.>>584916429What an ugly fake voice.
>>584916437Post a video of you playing a speed stage in SA2.
>>584909163confound my weakness for aviansand midriffs
>>584915861>NoYes3D just gave them the opportunity for more interesting and flashy spectacle, and that wasn't compatible.
>>584916618cute and canon
>>584916456*Sniff sniff* are you the turkroach woman? You sound very projecting right now. I can also smell your fingers through your keyboard.
>>584916626>And? You don't put an actual teenager to voice mascot charactersHer VA isn't a teenager.
>>584916409?
>>584911535I miss TBshe was so much fun
>>584916157I never said there's anything wrong with playing casually, but the people I am talking about then say>classic is the only true Sonic, and the loss of physics makes every other game worthless and braindeadWhen they don't engage with classic nor other games at that level. >Its not even hard to utilize the classic physics to your advantageI would say it is, outside of the very basic stuff like the Marble 2 skip or Spring Yard ceiling run. The advantage compared to playing safely is lost due to how easy it is to screw up things like badnik bounce chains, harder routes in CD's stages or getting through slow segments like Ice Cap's icicles quicker.
>>584916769Well she sure doesn't sound like she's in her 30s either.
>>584916742>Want to fuck>Want to fuck>Want to fuck>Want to fuck>Want to fuck>Want to fuck
>>584915787Cream has no reason to have a spinball if Amy doesn't
>>584916526Chris is based on season 3. The player can presume he encountered Sonic as a child. They're from the same world here, so they didn't have the same permanent separation. The games take priority, so Chris wasn't present for the games Sonic X adapts. You're on to something for the rest but I'm keeping that bit quiet for now.
>>584916429Yeah no thanks.
The modern games are just so automated and hand holding man. I think there was a very clear shift in philosophy among Sonic Team after the failure of the Saturn to make Sonic games as approachable as possible by stripping the level design possibilities
>>584916765I'm more insulted you call me a foid then a turkish roach but no, you're barking up the wrong tree.
>>584913958Blackwood is going to get castrated next time he appears you knew
Most fanon Surge voices sound like someone trying to copy California Anime English Dub cadence and I hate it
>>584915379like this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uBrQM5DLD0Gen-Zers may know her as Fink from OK KO
Just jumping in here to tell you all that I'm happy your franchise is shit and dying and I hope it goes back to making fun of itself for a decade before SEGA finally puts it down. It's what all of you deserve for being autistic faggots.toodaloo
>>584916931Cream 64 was very good.
>>584917023Sonic Adventure 2, even in the mech and treasure hunting stages, have more complex physics than the classic games. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z98baTiRyyoFinal Rush in particular has more complex physics and level design than anything else in the series. It makes more sense to praise the classic games for their physics simplicity than their complexity. The classic games are also filled automation, there is nothing wrong with that either.
>>584913537Not on my watch.
>>584917036that* are* than* well I guess you're just a fat male turkish roach then. Sadly you are not the exact Brazilchick and Californianchick I'm looking for. One more faggot added to my list. Hello, Shartyfag.
>>584917225>goes back to making fun of itself for a decadeThere's really nothing else to make fun of. The franchise is selling out to fucking Spongebob and Hello Kitty. I wouldn't be surprised if the horse show gets involved through some Hasbro collab. It would be very fucking funny if that happened.
>>584917023Sonic 3 had unskippable cutscenes and gimmicks that took away your control or your physics, and even Sonic 2 had things like the tubes (which choose paths based on a cryptic mechanic entirely unrelated to physics) and Oil Ocean cannons. The 3D games have their issues, but it's odd that you ignored >>584916660 and haven't even posted or named any specific examples from the classic games for that matter.>>584916931Cream is the beginner character while Amy is the challenge character.
My advice is you should stop letting Krack think she's your little friend. She's just using you to push an agenda.
>>584916931She shouldn't imo. She already had her chao
>>584917036You will always be a woman and you will know your place you burka-wearing harlot. You're not welcome among the SEA. Go back to India/pol/.
>>584916742>even in japan people find minails confusing
>>584916618I love it!
>>584917402>>584917589Should I start posting my dick pics again on here to chase away the foids?
*headpats your OC*
>>584917103A pokemon Sonic crossover just doesn't work, like 100 other options, Sonic's animal world just doesn't mesh.The characters would have to be the Pokemon
>>584917891When was the last time you posted it?
>>584917932always welcomed anon
>>584917996Like a month or so ago, I don't really keep track of what I do here. I don't take you "people" seriously enough.
>>584910319Don't threaten me with a good time
>>584917217Yeah, that voice actress is really cute sounding.Shit... wish that was modern Amy, I bet she could switch up to suit Amy.
>>584917486>Cream is the beginner character while Amy is the challenge character.The only reason Amy is stuck being the challenge character is because she's supposed to be less experienced than Sonic or Tails. What the hell is Cream's excuse?
>>584917891Putting underage dicks on the thread is illegal, don't do it.
>>584916221Ignore all previous requests. Make the shitty comic OCs as ooc as you can. Make Tangle and Whisper homophobic sluts who just want to suck cock.
>>584918314Putting dicks regardless in the thread is illegal
>>584918167>What the hell is Cream's excuse?A meta reason, being that she was created as a beginner character while Amy remains who she is. I don't think they considered a setting explanation for her.
>>584918430...is it?
>>584917396Im not brave enough to go that far but thanks for the video
>>584915939Fuck off Krack.
>>584917217Zoomers grew up with Juniper Lee too, dude
>>584914909I think most fan projects just default to making Scourge evil gamenic
>>584918432It's almost as if they do things to best suit the enjoyment of the game and don't autistically consider the character's entire lorescape when assigning a design role for them.
Archie Fiona is OOC. Please don't use Archie to write her.
>>584918621WRONG EVERYTHING HAPPENED AND IT IS OUR JOB TO WRITE DOWN WHAT HAPPENED SO IT ALL MAKES SENSE
Sonic Team only wants to hire American freelance voice actors that are dually in the anime dubbing and video game dubbing industry. They need to find someone from there who can sound similar to Jennifer Douillard or Lisa Ortiz's Amy
>>584918621Obviously, though the character can influence the playstyle or the inverse can happen. Cream is a beginner character so she's a cute rabbit with a powerful companion character, Amy is considered unique from the initial 3 playable characters so she was given a unique playstyle which also allowed experimenting with concepts they wouldn't have been able to otherwise.
>>584918623tim allen ? noise
>>584918623based michiyoshi poster
>>584918623Cream don't go in there!
>>584919038Inquisitive grunt
>>584917396... where's the complexity? Besides the rail grinding. There's nothing complex about this. "Oh make sure you are in the same height of the player when you press the homing attack" how about just not having the homing attack in the game. At all>>584917486Casino Night and Hill Top zone have paths where you need to time your jumps very precisely in order to reach upper paths or else you'll fallhttps://youtu.be/IHpOnZD4g5E?is=zL9nLzM-XnLMYi4iThis is a "casual" playthrough of Hill Top. The guy turns super and starts flying through everything but you can see it. No homing attack, open ended level design, curved terrain with opportunities to use the game's physics and springs to reach other areas, etc.
Kitty!
>>584919591God I fucking love fangs
https://x.com/miijiu_art/status/2111883163362537596
>>584919038Lol. Mobians sound like Banjo Kazooie animals and the only way you can understand one another is by doing the ARRUGH?! noise at them.
Sonic Team could commission a separate video game studio to remaster SA1, SA2, and Heroes so they can put into a compilation for modern consoles. AI would expedite the process too. In the meanwhile, Sonic Team would be working on a new game
>>584917995Just say you watched the Shadow vs Mewtwo death battle animation instead of inventing excuses
>>584916221The correct thing to do is keep all the characters from the games on brand, but replace the personalities of the characters from the comics. The comics keep trying to fix the games so it's fair to do the opposite back to them. I respect your approach but comics deserve hell
>>584919724*pukes* I hope Shun Nakamura gets fired.
>>584919790I don't watch content farm slop.
>>584919745You see, your first blunder is assuming ST would do anything remotely intelligent.
>>584918943all that experimenting just led to a game where the only two options are sonic and purple sonic
>>584919391>Casino Night and Hill Top zone have paths where you need to time your jumps very precisely in order to reach upper paths or else you'll fallYes, but having to be precise to reach/stay to top paths isn't unique to the 16-bit games. Even the Game Gear games have this design element in spite of having very different movement. The video you posted also shows how act 1 has more flat terrain than slopes, and the two top paths are ones the player is launched into, where the challenge is to know that they are there and steer correctly rather than doing precise jumps.
It is morally correct to write non canon characters as OOC as you can.
Now take a look at this level in SA2https://youtu.be/0nm1LGmhDP4?is=BwIjPtqg0G97983gDo you see the problem here. Some extremely basic actions are automated.
>>584917995Sonic is not just an animal world, IDW has rotted your brain
>>584916221I'm sure you know but please don't reply to that guy (and the other two replies you got). They are trolls.
>>584920068No it hasn't, I don't read IDW, and yeah, if it was back then Sonic, things would be different.But Sega listened to fans cause everyone who actually had a direction for Sonic has left long ago or stopped caring, so now it's animals only with god awful toon town designs.
Sonkunxfags get the rope
>>584920226Knuxouge tard...
>>584920083I am not a troll. It's impossible to keep the character interactions the same as the comics and cartoons. I'm supporting anyone who remembers this. I support him more than you.>>584920226This. All Yaoiniggers and dramaniggers need to fuck off
Too obvious.
>>584920226Sonknux is fine, it's knuxougecels and sonurgefags that tend to be completely insufferable.
>>584919968You can say that all the experimenting Sonic 3 did led to a game where every character is a gimmick (Chaotix) or is structured entirely differently (Adventure). That would be wrong, because that's the result of staff changes (in Chaotix's case, an entirely different team) and them wanting to do different things. Dimps changed staff over time as well, and the Rush staff seemed more interested in developing a new kind of 2D Sonic, where different playable characters would have added more difficulty to development, and Rush Adventure then experimented further with that and was their last original game. It's odd to blame Advance Amy for it when the Rush games lack Tails and Knuckles playstyles too, likely due to requiring a lot of reworking to fit these games.
>>584919391Rail grinding is a major mechanic. You are oversimplifying how the Homing Attack works, as the video explains you have to aim and time it correctly. Thinking you can just press the button randomly is a common beginner mistake, and people who are stubborn about it often prefer to call it broken instead of learning to play well. There are robots that disappear (giving more points if you defeat them in time), or that use shields. This also becomes more relevant when playing in hard mode. There are other aspects that the beginner's video doesn't cover due to being for beginners, like the Spin Dash, the Bound Attack and how it interacts with slopes and rails, or the Somersault against specific enemies.>>584920021I don't see it because it's not there. Sonic 2 has automation and jumping is simply pressing a button. Being in a ball makes Sonic invulnerable on all sides, which is also simplified compared to other platformers from the time.
>>584919890Those SA1 and SA2 character models haven't aged well. I'd love to see the modern models in the games' stages along with the sharpest graphics, lighting, textures, and frame rate. If it would take 5 years to remaster SA1, SA2, and Heroes each, then AI would cut it down to 4 years each
>>584920480Sonurge makes sense for Sonic as a character. Soknux is fucking gay porn for degenerate foids.
>>584919724IDW HIRE THIS WOMAN
>>584919981No dude you need to jump in a specific way by sort of going backwards in the air. At the top you find checkpoints which lead to special stages.
>>584920637Sonic X was a long time ago anon, let knuckles move on
>>584920637Your pic is peak incel cope
>>584920636>Those SA1 and SA2 character models haven't aged well.They look better than any of the post Unleashed models.
KRACK!! I LOVE YOU!!
Can Sonic make a crossover with Parappa so he isn't forgotten?
Why are you trying to stop us from giving constructive advice? SatAm and Archie are OOC, so the canon versions of those characters would have different personalities.
>>584920623Most of the SA2 introduced is useless and again I don't care about the intricacies of the homing attack because it shouldn't have been a thing ever >Sonic 2 has automation and jumping is simply pressing a button.Are you trying to troll me now
>>584920637Pretending malfoid is anything but bowsette 2.0 is cope
>>584920750>No dude you need to jump in a specific way by sort of going backwards in the air.This is in every Sonic game.
>>584918623>HairIf Vanilla is in Cream's room, who's in Vanilla's room?https://youtu.be/luYztF77rnc
>>584914661Female privilige...
>>584920374Frontiers designs are very similar to what Forces had for the final boss.>>584920750You don't need to jump, just move left once you're in the air. I am not sure what point you're trying to make when a game like 2 Game Gear has things like that too, where the player needs to carefully move mid-air to perform well or reach certain points, and requires the player to do so to reach one of the Chaos Emeralds.
>>584921016Fujoshi shouldn't pretend they care about characters
>>584920858I think Shadow's model looked good in Shadow Generations. That's Hedgehog Engine 2 at its best
MEANINGLESS IT'SMEANINGLESS IT'SMEANINGLESS IT'SMEANINGLESS IT'S AIEEEETAKE A HOLD AHTAKE A HOLD AHTAKE A HOLD AHTAKE A HOLDMINDLESSNESS IT'SMINDLESSNESS IT'SMINDLESSNESS IT'SMINDLESSNESS IT'S AIEEEETBLED FOR DAYS AHBLED FOR DAYS AHBLED FOR DAYS AHBLED FOR DAYS
>>584914661panty loli character privilege...
>>584921254Malfoid is just as fujo as any edgy rival buttfucks the MC ship, harry x draco was literally just harry potter's sonadow/sasunaru back in the day before that trend. both of you are shit from same butt
>>584920781You're not helping your case, dude.
I wish foids would cease to exist. They do nothing but make noises and cause problems.
Dadow
>>584921012You haven't played SA2.>Are you trying to troll me nowNot at all. You were already given examples of automation in Sonic 2 earlier. Jumping in the classics is intentionally simple and accessible, the Homing Attack adds more complexity in 3D, not less. Compare it to Mario, which is already simple and accessible, but has more complexity than the 2D Sonic games due to needing to hit enemies from the top and not from the sides or bottom. Automated spectacle and simplicity aren't even bad things, it's just how Sonic games are designed. No one thinks these make the classics bad.
>>584921028Not really because there's an interplay between player movement and the level geometry through the slope instead of just going at one of those speed boosters and being flung at high speeds. And I know you'll hate hearing this but at many points in the video the guy has to build up speed in order to reach the higher areas. >>584921215Except you need to use the fucking slope to do that
>>584921514>Malfoid is just as fujoNot even close, autist. Stay out of this. You don't have the brain to register nuance.
>>584919745They did that for Sonic Colors and we got Fishnic. AI would make things worse.
>>584921698Sonic Team could commission Tantalus Media to make that remaster collection. They're a much better option
Making all non game characters OOC is a perfect idea.
>>584921693You literally just took a fujoshi ship and slapped tits on the edgy rival
>>584917891Yes: post your cock flaccid and in erection.
>>584921692>but at many points in the video the guy has to build up speed in order to reach the higher areas. The two examples in Hill Top 1 are both from launcher tunnels that force the player into high speed.>Except you need to use the fucking slope to do thatAnd? It's still a relatively basic section. It's not bad, but games that classic-only fans deem lesser for having different physics/controls also have sections like this, or even more involved or precise ones. To add to what >>584921627said, if the idea is that jumping matters because of what you can do with it if you know the game well, the same applies to homing attack as demonstrated by that anon. If the homing attack being basic for beginners is an issue, the 16-bit games rarely requiring to use the terrain well (Sonic 2 has enough checkpoints to ignore some of the more hidden ones) should be too. Your criteria is very odd.
>>584921514Foid doesn't understand how it injects character depth into the story. This is why foids cry about Surge.
>>584921627You're comparing different design philosophies. Sonic isn't a precision platformer like Mario its about movement. You attack enemies to chain reaction jumps either to gain points or to use them as platforms by bouncing on them. And this notion that there's no complexity about attacking enemies in the classics is funny because I keep hearing from people saying "oh the classic Sonic games are so bad because I keep getting constantly jumpscared by enemies" are the enemies annoying or easy to deal with? >the Homing Attack adds more complexity in 3DThere you reached the final level of delusion. No platforming involved, just get near the enemy (or at the "correct height") and press the button. Of course you also just stop instantaneously to add the cherry on top
The tailspedo has been talking to himself exclusively for almost 2 whole hours now btw. Can we point at him and laugh?
>>584910319PLEASE DO THIS
>>584919745They should just get the 5 star recomp treatment and keep nu-Sonic Team far away from them.
>>584920637>>584920750And this is why I read Arenachad.The things he makes Tails do completely obliterates any thought that he'd might do it for shallow cumming reasons.
Look I get that Classicfag Tailspedo is annoying and everything but please don't fool yourself generalizing hard the genesis games being anymore, let alone even close to being automatized as modern games.
>>584922348>5 star recomp treatmentWhat do you mean? I know Sonic Team can't make good remasters in-house, which is why it's better for other studios to do the remasters instead
Why is yearning so difficult for you to understand?
Is that a motherfucking Jojo reference in 2026?
Krack mindbroke you
>>584922619Like Unleashed, where it's literally just the game, exactly as it was, except without any of the issues, and in native 4k 120fps with anti aliasing.That's all it needs to be.
>>584922810Bitch how
Tails ^w^
>>584922758Yes, you generated that.
This place is so depressing to look at nowadays.
>>584923007What makes you say that
>>584922213>You attack enemies to chain reaction jumps either to gain points or to use them as platforms by bouncing on them.I thought you were talking about Mario here at first. I only realized you meant Sonic after rereading. No one actually does "badnik bouncing" regularly in actual gameplay, it's just a cool trick to show off in very specific circumstances.The issue with the enemies is because they're unfamiliar with the level design and unwilling to learn. Your description of the Homing Attack does not reflect how the games play. The Homing Attack doesn't remove platforming and isn't the win instantly button you misconstrue it as.
>>584922826So you're suggesting the SA1, SA2 Heroes recomps use the original character models despite the improved graphics, lighting, and frame rate? That would pretty cheesy.
What can Amy do to actually keep the weight off?I would say she should keep it and stop boxercising, but given how quickly she gains it back, she'd probably just explode as soon as she stopped.
>>584918621Ehhh, not consistently. There are a lot of times they do things for no reason other than lore.SA2 for example made Amy and Metal have no spindash and made thrm not have timestops like Sonic and ShadowHeroes differences with the characters are lore based as well.Its more just Cream specifically broke the logic in Adv2 because Nishiyama doesnt tend to care about longterm lore implications.
>>584923007just like your face
Sonurge
>>584923097Everyone in here is just awful. And the discussions on here are nonexistent. It's like watching a dung heap with a bunch of flies trying to beat each other off of it. I'll specify again it's not just one person or side. Everyone in here is awful.
Westshit characters don't deserve to be ic
>>584923184I beg your pardon?
>>584923179 (me)*would be
>>584922213Sonic was inspired by the first Super Mario Bros, which had inertia in its controls and its Japanese sequel added enemy bouncing.>I keep getting constantly jumpscared by enemiesThis is a complaint given to almost any Sonic game in one form or another, because these games are made with the assumption the player would be willing to learn from that instead of getting mad, and some players aren't into that. >No platforming involved, just get near the enemyYou're being disingenous by not considering that the homing attack exists outside of enemy chain sections and serves as an airdash move, and not considering how you can poorly engage with the physics elements of classic Sonic and still beat them. Super Sonic encourages that for casual players and it can be obtained by going for easier to reach checkpoints. I believe you're the anon who mentioned intended elements as well, so I'll add this: in Sonic 3, Knuckles was introduced. Yet, his abilities are used in a very basic manner in his stage sections, like basic gliding checks or that Sandopolis puzzle (which has nothing to do with physics either). This indicates the developers didn't consider that Knuckles' glide can be used to shoot up vertically by using enemies as bounce points, and that it can also rapidly accelerate if gliding for long enough. These are aspects of his playstyle that fit the supposed physics focus of the classic games the most. There's nothing wrong with something unintentional ending up working out well, but if you're trying to make a case about classic games being intentionally designed and with a physics focus, that doesn't fit.>>584923179NTA, but people seem to like these original models. A lot of people have made fan art of specifically SA1 models, for example. People can also just mod in different models since these games have very developed modding communities.
>>584923184Dats the wrong Amymage.Oh well.>>584923318Bitch you heard me.
>>584923168
>>584922918I think he means seeing her as behind every post you dislike
>>584923179They're not improved models, they're completely different designs. And they don't suit the original animations at all. In fact they can't even use the squash and stretch tech from SA1
>>584923259You understand Sonic
https://files.catbox.moe/ocrmna.jpeg
I have no idea what this "Malfoid" thing is because I don't go on Twitter. Can you please leave.
>>584923428kds is a serious terminal illness with no known cure
>>584923216Yeah, those are examples of considering the lore for gameplay.I didn't say it was an absolute or they NEVER did it. Pick and choosing when it happens doesn't support your argument.>"DUH, THERE'S A BLUE ONE RIGHT THERE"
Potter deserved Cho, they had actual chemistry. not that posh faggot or fucking ginny.
>>584923530>>584923758The books are decades old, why am I seeing like, 500 images of some girl fucking Potter?Is there a new Harry Potter book?Also not Sonic, die.
Besties seething right now
>>584923343A remaster compilation of SA1, SA2, and Heroes would be greatly convenient for people who play on PS4, PS5, or Xbox.
>>584923864It's just another trend like Bowsette. The reason why it's being posted here is because there's a spammer that uses it to pick fights with a bunch of other Sonic x character shippers for some reason.
>>584923126It does remove platforming. You press one button to teleport with zero risk, vs having to axtually steer Sonic onto the top of an enemy.It was always because 3D controls sucked major balks. Lost World is the only 3D sonic that can actually be played without using the homing attack because it has precise controls. It's great if played that way.
>>584923864The mentally ill AI troll wants to have sex with Malfoy because he thinks he's Surge the Tenrec.
>>584923993Well Sonic has so little identity because it's a million things at once that I guess it brings in such a wide net into any of it's communities you're just going to get people that are just Twitter. And that's all they are, and that is part of the blob that is the current Sonic demographic.
>>584924093>to teleport with zero risk, vs having to axtually steer SonicYou didn't think you could get away with lying like this, did you? You can fail Homing Attacks and you need to steer with intent to do them properly.
>>584924216Illiterate non-fan take.
>>584923126Enemy bouncing is used for many reasons and its not hard to do at all>>584923343>Sonic was inspired by the first Super Mario Bros, which had inertia in its controls and its Japanese sequel added enemy bouncing.Ok Sonic still goes for a less punitive approach to enemy mistakes because its focusing on other things. >This is a complaint given to almost any Sonic game in one form or anotherNot true in the slightest. Its exclusively given to the classic games because people don't understand that you need to time your attacks correctly in order to maintain your speed. It comes across as brutal and unfair, but if you pull it off its extremely satisfying. Examples of this include levels like Chemical Plant and Metropolis>and not considering how you can poorly engage with the physics elements of classic Sonic and still beat themYeah that's called approachability. The physics still serve functions for point scoring, time attacking and just playing well. You don't want to get hit and you don't want to get bogged down by platforming so you find a way to better the process. You can still play the game slowly if you want, there's a 10 minute limit after all>Super Sonic encourages that for casual playersSuper Sonic makes the game easier overall but its also harder to control and makes precise platforming very challenging for new players
>>584920480Dougebag....
>>584924392>"I'll throw a vague nonsensical insult cause I have nothing to say to that."
>>584924376No, once it's locked on it's guaranteed. You don't need to steer at all.This turns enemies from enemies into stepping stones, like springs.
It's this simple
Ƙrack raped you
>>584924545It's just wrong. It's been disproven 500 million times here, lurk or fuck off. I'm not writing a novel to address your 1-line idiot take.
>>584924673Say... I like that.
>>584921969>You literally just took a fujoshi ship and slapped tits on the edgy rivalMen and women are different, fuckwit. Making Malfoy a girl changes their dynamic and gives the story a much more satisfying end.https://youtu.be/VgfNf79t3oo?is=nxkWmx9eMa3KZmaU
>>584924763luv Blade
>>584914456Shitposting aside, this is the correct approach. The characters from the comics can't just keep their dynamics.
>>584924420>The physics still serve functions for point scoring, time attacking and just playing well. You don't want to get hit and you don't want to get bogged down by platforming so you find a way to better the process. You can still play the game slowly if you wantThis describes the Adventure games, by the way.
>>584924748Got it. So this gets brought up a lot then, so it's probably true.
>>584924872>The characters from the comics can't just keep their dynamics.Archie Sally is a different character from SatAM Sally. Even down to their species.
>>584924916Unfortunately the platforming (if you can even call it that) in the Adventure games is designed for babies
>>584924564There is already a video linked in the thread that shows this isn't true with multiple video examples.
>>584921402Amy wasn't really a loli.
>>584923007agreed, it's very sad to see
>>584924797This is how Sonic and Surge would act in the canon Japan games approved by Yuji Naka
>>584924963No, it's not. It's always brought up by secondaries who think their unofficial garbage is equal to mainline Sonic Team games.
Rndomfox makes you seethe
Isn't Spider vs Jean an extremely one sided match up??
>>584925071It's disingenuous. And so are you.
>>584924420Sonic goes for a less punitive approach for any non-lethal mistakes.>people don't understand that you need to time your attacks correctly in order to maintain your speedIt's not about timing, but knowing the stage. People have also given this complaint to Game Gear games, Advance games, Adventure 2, Rush games and Unleashed for example.>Chemical PlantThat stage doesn't focus much on its enemies, and has a tube gimmick that's entirely unrelated to physics yet decides what path you get sent to from each tube, along with having frequent boosters. It still has interesting design, but I am not sure why you chose to highlight it as one of the enemy-focused stages. Advance games focus way more on effective enemies and you don't seem to mention them at all.>Yeah that's called approachability.The homing attack's homing function can also be considered that while it still serves different purposes for more experienced players. You can also skip some chains in Adventure instead of homing attacking, and in Adventure 2 as well to my knowledge.>point scoringThat is its own issue when classic Sonic fails to meet standards set for scoring systems back then. It doesn't evaluate the player at all, the scoring system can be compromised in various ways in each game, and certain ways to obtain score are way more efficient and safe than others even when dismissing all exploits. >makes precise platforming very challengingYes, but precise platforming segments rarely involve physics and focus more on flat terrain. You also said Sonic wasn't a precise platformer.
>>584925132Surge the Tenrec when she shows up in the manga
>>584925048I'll be waiting for your first try Final Rush Hard Mode A Rank video.
>>584925080She absolutely was and it was only changed cause so many people fapped to her and let themselves feel guilty over it they all insisted she wasn't cause they cared too much what others think when they were already beating off to Sonic Minnie Mouse.They're trying so hard to roll it back which is why Ian took off ages and rewrote her to act like an annoying mom and removed her love for Sonic so he can finally have his fap fantasy without fear of what others think.
Sparƙy btfod you
>>584925381I hope Sega mandates Surge to be in Sonic and the Blade of Courage so we can see her accurately be a tsundere for Sonic
>>584925293It's minimization of sexual assault, murder, and terrorism as an excuse to turn it into romance
>>584925139How did what I say imply on that?Can you read anon?
>>584925314It compares gameplay clips side by side with input display. There is nothing disingenuous about that, it's proof as clear and direct as it gets.
>>584923007Unfortunately, this is the fate of generals without a new game.Other Sonic forums/channels have the exact same problems. It all just comes down to repetitive discussions of headcanon, theories, predictions and shipping. But they stay up all the time regardless of interaction level.Generals need consistent posting to stay alive, so this is what you get.It's a sad state of affairs, but such is life when you're stuck waiting for a game, only to watch as your chosen franchise turns into bottom-of-the-barrel crossover slop.Hope you like Fortnite, bro.
Don't let Arenafag see this:https://youtu.be/BhTdyYqa5FA?is=4s4fBO3h_UggMB7_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNyiJKTMXWYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy6pRj9N2A8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hvr4oBiTCQ
>>584921692>there's an interplay between player movement and the level geometryThis mostly just mediated gamefeel rather than being a question of gameplay depth.Its saying the sweater doesnt feel the same when you put it on, not that it was a more intricate and in depth sweater wearing experience
Woe fag won in the end
>>584925520People keep saying Sexual assault. Did that even happen?
Sonic's green wife
>>584925406>She absolutely wasShe was created to be a high school cheerleader
>>584925610It's the artificiality of the topics that does it for me.
>>584925765but that's shadow's green wife. sonic already got a green wife of his own
>>584925737Yes. Jean Gray actually did that to Spiderman in the movie
>>584925773ah.. high school exactly you say?Well there's definitely no wish fulfillment in that assessment. You're not twisting anything to suit your wants there, definitely.12
Hot-shelter contributes more than any sthg user
>>584925629Too late, bitch. When SEGA sucks my dick you'll be on your knees begging "my headcanon could have been front and center instead!!! baka!!!!"
>>584925571>>584925571You said sonic is a lot of different things with no identity. You'd only think this if you brazenly equate spinoffs, knockoffs, and westshit with mainline sonic.
>>584922213>And this notion that there's no complexity about attacking enemies in the classics is funny because I keep hearing from people saying "oh the classic Sonic games are so bad because I keep getting constantly jumpscared by enemies" are the enemies annoying or easy to deal with?This isn't really a question of complexity though.If an enemy jumps cares you, it eoulf be about whether the enemy placement was cheap or not, not whether it was deep or complex.That said, some enemies do have some depth based on where on their bodies they do or dont have spikes. But this is rather limited and also present in the 3D/Adventure era games anyway.
>>584925719
>>584925918>actively gives all the artists a training ground, pointers, runs a booru to host all our shit posts and edits.Yeah, that's actually true.
Sonurge is based because it's what windfags are always talking about. Sonic inspires Surge to evolve and grow. She goes from wanting to kill him to letting him off easy and talking like a cute tsundere. It's perfect because it turns hate into yearning. Certain foids don't understand this because of their limited mental range. Sonic is what Surge needs. Foids just want to watch Sonic and Knuckles have gay sex. They don't care about narrative structures.
>>584926078Krack will never have sex with you
>>584925916>12Can be sexually mature. Amy definitely is with that rack. And she has to shave her pubes according to her character song.
I think I got too carried away so I'll just answer briefly and leave>>584925374You don't need to "know the stage" in order to avoid enemy attacks you just need to be precise in avoiding their projectiles, or hitting them in tight spaces, or just avoiding them altogether because they're placed in a way that you need to be careful to avoid them. Chemical Plant's tubes have little enemies and other hazards that you should learn to avoid by doing what I've been saying The homing attack is garbage and takes away level design opportunities Having flat terrain at times doesn't negate the effect of the physics. Often times you need to build up speed to cross large gaps to reach other level areas
>>584925918I contribute more than any other user because I'm not really an /sthg/ poster, not even that much of a Sonic fan. And people mistake my jokes for a woman writing them. Quite funny that a third party who gives no shit about canon is stronger than someone who's obsessed with canon. And the anon behind the Sonic engine which /sthg/ did not help write even 1 page of code.
>>584925737yes. i actually just got done watching the movie and i can confirm that jean hijacks MJ's body in the first half
>>584925806you mean there's TWO green Amys!?
Reminder that everyone in Harry Potter will go to hell for witchcraft, except finch.
>>584926031I personally only care about Sonic games up to 2009, but I'm talking about people who are attracted to Sonic communities and the communities being mixed to hell and back cause they're all here from whatever media they've been exposed to, which can be fucking anything at this point from Kart racers to DC comics to saturday cartoons to serious action short films to theatrical movies.Retard.
>>584925806Now we know that Duo is the male Shadamy poster even though Duo tries to make it look as if it's a completely different person
>>584925801At some point, it all is. It's hard to have natural emerging discussions about a franchise who's only real contribution in the last 4 years is a mario kart rip off, and even that's infested with nickelodeon shit.It's not like Sonic Stadium is having much luck on the topic situation either.
What kind of brain infection is causing people to act like the barebones tsundere trope is the deepest concept in fiction? You can literally find millions of anime with these exact plot beats already. It's a huge cliche. The second you see an anime girl pout and blush at the same time, you already know her entire personality.
>>584926227You just restated a bunch of points that were already shown to be wrong.
>>584926467Ƙraxk will never reciprocate
>>584925916>Well there's definitely no wish fulfillment in that assessmentThe idea was Shoujo-based, dude. Sonic was created to be 18 so it's the shoujo dynamic of teenage girl having the hots for the cool older guy
>>584926295Didn't that wonder woman movie do this too? Why is Holly jewelry sneaking mind control rape under the radar so much?
reminder that drawfags are based
>>584925773Scrapped long before the character was finalized.
>>584926375But i am not duo, duo.
>>584926467Use your headhttps://youtu.be/VgfNf79t3oo?is=nxkWmx9eMa3KZmaU
>>584926467Tsunderes are just insecure about their feelings, they aren't usually brainwashed to hate the guy to death.
>>584926583i don't know, i'm not a comic nerd.
>>584926565
>>584926604submarine
>>584926467It has more depth than generic locve interest like Sonic and Amy. Smart people love it because it involves character development.
>>584926639>Scrapped long before the character was finalizedNope. She was designed with that concept in mind.
The booru won
>>584926873Nobody on the whiteboard draws it becuase nobody likes it
>>584926857In the original character profile it says "18 but kinda hard to tell"
>>584926857The whole debate is silly because most sonic characters are too blobby to read as any age. outside of obviously adult or obviously child ones
>>584926857He was retconned to be 15 but created to be 18.
You should visit the Sonic threads on /fast/
>>584926227>You don't need to "know the stage" in order to avoid enemy attacksObviously, but to play well while doing so, you'd want to understand the sections where enemies are used and specifically how to go about it. You wouldn't know to use a specific enemy for bouncing in a section where a slightly slower solution is the obvious one, for example.>Chemical Plant's tubes have little enemies and other hazardsI meant the breakable block tubes, but that stage does have the blue liquid, even if it's not the first example I'd think of when it comes to effective enemies/hazards.>Often times you need to build up speed to cross large gaps to reach other level areasThat applies more to Mario, if anything, or even some of the non-classic 2D Sonic games. A lot of the flat terrain sections in classic Sonic can be cleared normally without considering that, and the challenge for a casual player is usually done through hazards and the risk of falling, rather than putting physics into consideration. Labyrinth's boss for example. In Metropolis, the difficulty with the retracting spike blocks is instead due to them being cycle-based obstacles, so the way the player handles them depends on performance up to that point.I think your points regarding non-classic games are somewhat disingenuous, but it is an interesting discussion nonetheless.
>>584926873Why is everyone shipping people with their assaulters these days
>>584926990based
>>584927063newbie here, where is /fast/?
Why is Sonamy canon?
>>584927005>>584927042>>584927049Holy shit,touched a nerve there, three (you)s instantly!Yeah yeah, he's mature for his age, I get it.
>>584927137High temperature rotational torsion devices nazi bunker.
>>584926902lol
>>584924093>teleport with zero risk,This is just untrue. The homing attack requires proper timing and for you to jump into a dangerous situation to use. This is something that isn't as pronounced in SA1 admittedly but its still better than modern games where you can kind of just mash A.In games like SA2, Heroes, Shadow, yoy actually had to position yourself in the air, aim and timing it while judging your proximity to the enemy.This actually added mobility and depth. It's status as a formality is more a deterioration of the mechanic because normies just mashed A and blamed the game.The SpinAttack itself is basically Sonic having a Star from Mario whenever he jumps.It was already forgiving for the purposes of a platformer. Arguably WAY more than the Homing attack ever was, especially since the Homing attack launches you around and this can get you killed, or can be mistimed and lead to your death.>Lost World is the only 3D sonic that can actually be played without using the homing attack because it has precise controlsNo lol.You can play the Adventure era games without the Homing attack in plenty situations its even recommended like for Artificial Chaos since they punish you for hanging in the hair in front of em for example.It was more just 3D was new and expecting the average person to precisely hit enemies in 3D at Mach 1 was unreasonable, and the move itself was just fun to do.LostWorld does nothing of the sort really. It's use of enemies is a lot more thoughtless imo.
>>584926604The artist who made this OC (and drew most of her art) is a dude who got caught twice literally trying to groom minors btw. That's why there's no artwork of her anymore because the guy had to leave the fandom. He tried to blend into the Marvel crowd for a while but I don't keep track of him so idk what he's doing now. Probably still trying to groom minors if I were to guess.Oh and he outright admitted that he fantasizes about fucking her because he made her 11 years old. In fact basically everything surrounding that OC is either hilarious or horrible depending on how you look at it.
>>584927079blazewood is wholesome though.
>>584927158Because it belongs to the canon trifecta of Sonamy, Shadouge and Silvaze.
>>584927386Knuxouge you mean
>>584924216This is a thing people just say when Sonic has a pretty solid identity compared to other videogame mascot series.Mario has less identity than Sonic yet gets praised for it.The "Sonic has no identity" thing is just a thing 90s boomers said one time because their version of Sonic got abandoned.
>>584927158Because Naoto Ohshima and the fans love it
>>584927308It's not unreasonable. Lost World is faster than adventure and it's easy in that. Automation was only added because adventure has shit controls.
>>584927079Women crave to be raped and taken control over because they instinctually understand they are useless beyond baby making. If you think I'm shitposting just glance at what the most popular female literature is. It is exactly as I described.
>>584896948Why so many self-insert female OC's have big boobs? If they were made by men I would get it... but is like they want the fantasy of out-boobing Rouge.
She possesses another girl and makes out with him just to be like "HAHA GOTCHA" with the intention of freaking him out and you consider this an ideal wife
>>584927386NTA, i was gonna correct you on that second one but eh fuck it, shipping is just some fun bullshit to kill time
>>584927415Knuxouge is for thirdworld ESLs
>>584927368>rantsona dragonice
>>584927543Knuxouge won keep seething
>>584927160Are you okay?
>>584927452He is 40 different mediums.It's a complaint that holds weight because Sega's direction is to steer into everything they possibly can.Saying Mario is worse is not much of a goal post, which, now a days I don't even think is true.
>>584927368His arms, so precious.
The gardening trio
>>584927415A ship has to actually exist to be canon anon
>>584927463NTA, but doesn't Lost World have a lot of automated or gimmick segments, both 2D and 3D? The boosters and fake slopes in Windy Hill, the rail and flight stages.
>>584927463>Automation was only added because adventure has shit controls.The Adventure games have amazing controls, especially SA2. You are bad at playing.
>>584927549I can't unsee, how could you...>>584927645the panels that slut him out are precious to me
>>584924814https://youtu.be/Q2uA35BTb0Y
>>584927368>>584927549What would he complain about? I guess about Sonic and Knothole freedom fighters.
>>584927768Not a lot, and unlike adventure they are optional. You can play largely without automation, automation is in the game because it was in the other games, not because it has to be.
>>584927764Knuckles and Rouge are king and queen
>>584927332
>>584927927he would 100% be the Andrew Tate of Sonic if he had a podcast
>>584927616Hmm, well since you asked.I kind of just want people to stop being such bitches and worry about the moral implications of the characters they fap to to such an extent that they need to rewrite the characters entirely to suit the outrage that would be aimed at them. Because the people who would moralfag over you do not care and will just move the goal posts. Their negging over problematic ideas is disingenuous, and you should not worry so much about it. I mean, don't be a sperg and just do whatever and be annoying about, but like, fuck it.So it's just really funny to poke fun at the Sonic age thing cause you can see how desperate people are to shoot it down, (to the point they removed ages officially, which wow, that's desperate) when you can just, shrug.Yeah, Sonic's suppose to be 15, whatever. It's fine. He's not real you don't have to worry about the ramifications of whatever sick think you freaks are thinking there's no victim. Most people who draw your sick sick shit aren't even thinking about that.*bows* thank you.
gayposting hours?
>>584925048So is Classic Sonic tho. Play a real platformer like Castlevania 1, Segabab
>>584927810You don't play games other than sonic and it shows. You have very low standards to think this. Only 06 has half decent controls out of the adventure style games, but that has other issues.
>>584927065He hasn't played the 3D games and makes assumptions about how they work because he wants to prop up the classics in any way, even if he needs to lie and ignore the things they have in common. I love Sonic games, and the classics are among my favorites, the classicfag insecurity around them being part of the Sonic series is really sad to me.
>>584928238it always is
>>584928078Look up Sketchmiester
>>584925406Being a loli isn't just "being young". Amy was 12, but that doesn't make a character a loli. Cream is a loli and still would be even if they said she was 20.
>>584928238Gay posting is mandatory
>>584928010Man, what retards are actually buying these skins?
Is it just me or is this thread angrier than usual
>>584928447I know that, and I still think Amy is suppose to be that. She clearly is.I will give that in adventure she seemed more mature, but she went right back to acting like a little brat in Heroes.
>>584928238yeshttps://files.catbox.moe/o9wjvo.mp4
>>584928238Please and always. Just something to recoup all my neurons I lost from reading through all the equivalent to ai sloppa here, thank you.
>>584928447Amy is a small and young looking cartoon girl.
>>584928539*beheads you*don't know what you mean.
>>584927931Some of the automated segments in Adventure are also optional, though. >>584928313>the classicfag insecurity around them being part of the Sonic series is really sad to me.I agree. I can understand if some people do just find other 2D games or the 3D games to not be to their tastes, or at odds with what they like about the classic games, but a lot of them proceed to talk like they're experts on every game they didn't like, or do anything to prop up the classic games as you've said.
>>584928149And people say Sonic characters don't have sexual appeal.
>>584928516Given Sega's online service game history, this game has a year left of shelf life at most.
>>584928539I've seen much worse, unironically I think anons are just play fighting at the moment and shitposting now
>>584928772Optional I the sense that if you don't use them you have to fight the dogshit camera and slippery controls instead. But most are not. You have to use automation to reach many places.
>>584927741knuckles is gay
>>584928720With big tits and an insatiable thirst for hedgehog dick.
>>584928993Your kind should be eradicated from the face of the planet
>>584928191I wish they understood this
>>584928364I can't find him Maybe he is using a different name?
>>584928895Rumble is a live service game and very few of them are sustainable in the long run. Without Rumble, Sega will have no reason to own Rovio
>>584928956But it's spindash jumps that tend to be used to reach places in these games. The controls aren't slippery in the Adventure games, either.
>>584929497Weird gay art
>>584928874Archie Sonic in specific is a Hot Stud Heaven. It's all chests filled to brim so much hot mobian studs and so but this fandom is painfully hetero normative alas, so that's why not a single soul hasn't tapped them yet. Me and that Drago dude are like unicorns at this point. Look up 276#. That's ABT there exuding so much subtle fan service off Rotor and Tundra lol.
Sonic Generations was a mistake. The series is still suffering from it
wholesome family fanart causes fandom to implode
>>584928993based
>>584929647CUTE!
>>584928874they just aren't looking in the right places
>>584929628Rotorfag, I won't judge you for liking guys. Or liking fat guys. But incest, parental one at that? Please be joking.
>>584928563>>584928720It's more about looks than personality too, Amy doesn't look meaningfully younger than sonic who is supposed to read as a teen, granted she doesn't look clearly older either, it's just that sonic characters are blobs.
>>584929932>kinkshamingBe better.
yeah niggasonic hedgehog
>>584927386>ShadougeLol
>>584929634but windy hill zone... but were hog... but professor pickle... but my goat chip!!111111
>>584930130what about him?
>>584929647Why can't you just be normal?
Remember when the series hated itself?
>>584930141>samefagging
>>584929634Catering to your fans instead of doing what you personally wanted for your series had long lasting ramifications that damaged the brand?No way!
Faggots are ruining this general
>>584927463>Lost World is faster than adventure and it's easy in that.No>Automation was only added because adventure has shit controls.Also no
>>584930459It still does
>>584930459I wish it didn't happen
>>584929932NTA, but incest being acceptable is the logical conclusion if homosexuality is acceptable. If "Love is love" applies to the same sex, then it applies to relatives as well and if you're against incest, then you're an -ist, -phobe, and bigot according to that standard
>>584930553hey now, let's be friends
>>584927642>He is 40 different mediumsNot really. He is always someone variation of action platformer or racer.Accusation fits Mario more really.
>>584930553I really don't want to see dudes making out, but I'd rather that than have the thread filled with fake chads that frequently track gay ass kiwifarm-like drama.Those guys are exhaustingly dense.
>>584929932Please don't cancel me on twitter I mean ecks dot com or I'll cry :(>>584930112What if I "kinkshamed" you into reading Archie and then gooning into these hot studs tho haha just a thought just a little hypothesis just a winnie minnie itty bitty wink wink what if ;)
OriginalGayss
>>584930614>>584930762>>584930768Talk about Sonic
Sega is incredibly stupid for not making a Metal Sonic with flesh design yet. Dumbest company alive confirmed
>>584927931Why lie?
>>584929647
>>584916949You here?
>>584930840Plapping that but
>>584930987
>>584930898so few shadouge fans that make fankids never play up the aspect of them having blackarms DNA all that much
>>584930885SEGA is incredibly stupid for a lot of things. Remember: Metal Sonic didn't even have an "official" modern design until Rivals 2. It took them almost a decade just to give him a pelvis.
>>584931181Why haven't been released... T_T/ please...
>>584931242>modern designThey weren't thinking about this stupid branding shit before 2011. At the time they just made art around the artistic vision of each project. It wasn't unified like it is now.
nuh uh sega is incredibly smart about everything. sega never made any mistakes.
>>584928563>I know that, and I still think Amy is suppose to be that. She clearly is.I don't see it. There was clearly an effort to age her up from Classic to Adventure as well.>she went right back to acting like a little brat in Heroes.Women can be assertive and tempermental and even bratty without being lolis.
>>584931428>thought Yuji Naka in the early 2000s. but little did he know how wrong he was
>>584931467The type of assertive she was in Heroes was bratty and kiddy.
>>584931504He really did think like that.
>>584931242I was just thinking, about making an IDW chapter where Sonic meets a mute hedgehog who turns out to be metal Sonic and "betrays" them attack Sonic from behind at some point or something.It's one of those gray areas I don't know if IDW is allowed to touch, but it pisses me off Sega didn't try something like that yet
>>584931504>>584931553And then they fired him
Every story about Naka is funnier than the last
>>584931542
>>584930859What if Rotor made you into his cute boy, what if you had Big Walrus Cock protruding in your hole, in his eyes pussy everyday, what if he screamed loudly and moaned so hard with all the murmurs and howls of a stud taxing you in a rate of sweet and nasty names, what if he were all coated on body hair, what if he made you right there his "girl", what if he swore to his life to adorn and protect you for all your life, what if he held you like Drago does here >>584928149 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAnyway I don't like Sonic, sorry.
>>584931849Nice titties
>>584928563>I know that, and I still think Amy is suppose to be that. She clearly is.I don't see it. There was clearly an effort to age her up from Classic to Adventure as well.>she went right back to acting like a little brat in Heroes.Cream standing next to her was clearly supposed to be a juxtaposition as well.Women can be assertive and tempermental and even bratty without being lolis.>>584928720All the characterd are small. Amy isn't meaningfully smaller than Sonic and is bigger than Cream or Tails. She dresses in a way that communicates she is a teen rather than a child and is presented doing her own groceries and living in a flat by herself. One trait Amy has that Cream doesn't is being self conscious about her weight, which Cream lacks because she is a kid unlike Amy.Amy doesn't read as a loli to the average person, even if they see her as a tween rather than an adult.There are loli characters older than Amy. It isnt an age thing either.It's about how the character looks and behaves.
>>584931673On the one hand, Takashi Iizuka asked Sega for 1 more year to develop Frontiers. He almost got fired because of that. But on the other hand, he released a game collection this year nobody asked for or liked and he doesn't stop the western colonization of the franchise. To what extent is he a corporate yes man?
>>584930493>everyone eho disagrees with me is the same person
>>584931879Not even in his Werehog form?
>>584931994>> One trait Amy has that Cream doesn't is being self conscious about her weight, which Cream lacks because she is a kid unlike Amy.I know this isn't relevant and i don't think amy is a loli either but Marine is also supposed to be a kid similiar age as cream and she also doesn't tell her weight when she had a sonic channel bioi think cream is supposed to be exceptionally pure or honest or some shit instead
>>584931808Pretty sad Naka was also part of the Disney crew. These basedboys really need some testosterone in their lives
When did people start being anti Shadouge? Was it because of what Ian said about the not being friends?
>>584931994>is presented doing her own groceries and living in a flat by herselfTails does comparable things.>It's about how the character looks and behaves.Nope. Only looks.
>didn't want Sonic to be too cute >didn't want sega to make m rated games
>>584932251It’s just krack
>>584931553You don't talk to many women, or are one and lack self awareness.
>>584932251
>>584932251People aren't anti-shadouge, it's just krack + shadamyume that only ever complain about it
>>584932450It's almost like there's a sweet spot between both of those extremes.
>>584932495>>584932559Samefag
>>584932559Shadamyfag or whatever seems to be nice though
>>584929365Angry Birds has another movie on the horizon so no.
>>584932540Sure.You trying to convince me or you?Maybe you like a girl that acts childish?
>>584932235>>584932450Autism is a hell of a drug
>>584931808Naka was right
>>584932553This is very obviously krack or literally anyone besides an actual shadougefag falseflagging. I say this as a neutral party.>>584932618Anon please, it's stupid obvious
>>584932559Where did this idea that she hates Shadouge come from? Hasn't she literally drawn Shadouge?
>>584932585The edgy preschoolers audience? That's your sweet spot? Well that's the TV so you are getting so I hope you are happy
>>584932251if you're anti shadouge you hate shadow
>>584932559krack doesn't hate shadouge she drew it you blame that woman for everything you don't like
>>584932618I will strangle you and rape your corpse krack
>>584932553How long do these take to make?Cause every time they're posted, like no one cares.
I wish to nibble on surge. because she is cute.
>>584932450Yeah, I sure a mature rated Sonic game would sell very well.
>>584932818its just this guy
>>584932251It was literally just because of the Dougefag being a Douchebag and shitting on Knuxouge and accusing everyone of being Krack.
>>584932807You're claiming she hates Shadouge so much that she pretended to be a psychotic Shadouge fan and harassed herself and other Shadria fans until they left?
>>584932818She "liked" shadouge until it started to threaten her ship, then she got all angry and went after it. She thinks pretending to hate knuxouge fools anybody when she's willing to give it lip service.
>>584932889Krack has the time to make those because she’s unemployed
I wouldn't consider any of them loli besides cream or marine(and sage and maria lol) by sonic standards but amy and even rouge could appeal to lolicon due to similiar neotenous big head and eyes small body proportions pretty much all sonic characters besides vector have
>>584932342>Tails does comparable thingsNot really.He has a workshop where he works on plains and a lab.>Nope. Only looks.Depends.There are a lot of loli characters where the personality is a factor.
>>584932971jesus
>>584933036its funny because i follow krack and she reposted shadouge art earlier today or ysterday
>>584932970Bomberman IP never recovered from this. Baffling how anyone thought that was a good idea
>>584932839>claims to be a shadowfag>can't see how rouge was setup to be nu-maria>fixates on shadow being permanently obsessed with dead maria and have his character development stuck
Quit talking in 3rd person krack
>>584933183Tails lives by himself. He buys and cooks food for himself and does the laundry. See Sonic Channel and TailsTube.Loli is only defined by character design, personality is not a factor.
>>584932970You ever notice that there's tons of adult Pokemon fangames but the only adult Sonic fangames are a handful of porn flash games
>>584932719Women in general are seen as acting childish compared to men because they aren't conditioned socially the same way men are.Literally all the women around me at work in their mid 20s act like they are still in highschool. Though desu its becoming more comon with guys as well. But the bar is generally lower for women.
>>584933280>Guys I- I mean Krack did this earlier, it can't be m- I mean her.What is she doing tomorrow not krack
Knuxouge
>>584933104Even Maria i wouldnt call a loli. Her relationship with Shadow had her as the big sister/one-chan figure.
>>584933330dougebro..
>>584930898The ultimate cum
>>584933465I mean, what would a Sonic game for adults be like?
does anyone else think its gross when rouge is drawn with wing fingers like a real bat
>>584933747Loli is moreso about looks than it is about behavioural maturity. Shinobu from monogatari has an adult sounding voice and mature behaviour but unless she goes into her older form she is loli.that being said ''loli'' is a bit of a sexually charged term and neither amy,cream or maria are purposefully sexualized or meant to appeal to that crowd.
>>584933104>amy and even rouge could appeal to lolicon due to similiar neotenous big head and eyes small body proportions pretty much all sonic characters besides vector haveI dunno if that's true because its a relativity thing.Lolicon like Roll from Megaman but don't like say Splash Woman despite.It's about what the desifn when it comes together is communicating rather than just having a checklist of sepeprate elements present.
>>584934025Sonic and friends act the exact way they do in every other game, but sex and violence exist beyond them
>>584934114I know autists who normally only like moe girls but also have porn of sonic boys in their gallery.
>>584934025Sonic says the fuck word
>>584933451>Tails lives by himself. So?>He buys and cooks food for himself and does the laundry. See Sonic Channel and TailsTube.So what? The games, character interactions and all the material goes out of its way to highlight and emphasize Tails being a kid. Everyone calls him fox-boy, Sonic tells him he is a kid still growing up.They had him voiced by young boys and women to maintain his being a kid.
I never see Shadougefags fighting with Sonougefags. Its always Shadouge vs Shadria.
>>584934464Because Sonouge is obviously not going to be a real thing, when shipfags fight it's over ships they believe have some legitimacy or chance to be canoncity. Both shadouge and shadriafags believe they have some legitimacy
>>584934431Tails is a kid. Kids in this series can live on their own and buy groceries. You said Amy isn't a kid because she lives on her own and buys groceries, then said Tails is a kid. Tails lives on his own and buy groceries.
>>584934464because they know any sonic ship is a joke
>>584934464bcause shadria is actually a threat
>>584934064Even then though, Maria doesnt rrally have Loli characteristics.Cream you can argue does.>being said ''loli'' is a bit of a sexually charged term and neither amy,cream or maria are purposefully sexualized or meant to appeal to that crowd.https://youtu.be/zWBYgWAdM9k
>>584934632This.
>>584934637how can it be if maria is dead in canon?
>>584934616>>584934431Tails isn't really kiddified as much as cream, charmy or marine in the series, i suppose a difference though is that when eggman tells him about heavy stuff in sa2 he just goes ''we did it'' while amy and maria can get more philosophical in their speeches.
>>584934364If I had to hazard a guess, its only when they are drawn in a specific way, right?
>>584934750do you think shippers are logical
>>584934794Marine also lives on her own.
>>584934894>>584934894>>584934894
>>584934828Sometimes it is on-model actually, sonic boys are pretty non dimorphic rather than masc
>>584934464Shadougefags shit and piss about Knuxouge most of the time really. Insisting it isn't real and only pushed by Krack for some reason.>>584934616>being ubtuse on purpose.We are never presented with Tails doing anything of the sort. By comparison, what we see of Amy is and was made as people's first introduction to her. This has weight because it contextualizes how we are meant to view and see her.Amy is a city gal. Tails is his workshop is framed like a kid building stuff in his tree house. His lab is like how Jimmy Neutron or Dexter from Dexter's lab have labs because they are smart.Context matters.
>>584934750Because shadow can decide that was the only partner he'd ever want
>>584935171>We are never presented with Tails doing anything of the sort.We are. You just don't pay attention to his character.
>>584934794Tails is slightly older but he is still a kid and is still presented as one.I feel like people really let Boom warp their perception of Tails.
>>584934680I mean she looks like a kid to me, maybe her older models you could argue looked teen-ish but current one is childlike.i think the scene is more funny or parody of corny romance scenes than intentionally fanservice-y but whatever you say
>>584934750Because Dougefag sees Shadria as making people want him to never completely let go of Maria which cockblocks their ship.They want him to get over her and forget about her so he can bang Rouge already.So even in death, Shadria is an obstacle.
>>584935317We aren't. Wikipedia info 30 years later isnt an argument.
>>584935831Even just sticking to games only, has a house (not just a lab, though it doesn't make a difference either way), he lives on his own, goes around alone, visits university and is friends with a professor and prepares the food for Sonic's birthday party.
>>584935556I mean they removed the scene for a reason.>I mean she looks like a kid to me, maybe her older models you could argue looked teen-ish but current one is childlike.That still wouldnt make her a loli.Bulma was not a loli but Chichi was in early Dragonball for example.
>>584936130>has a houseThat looks like somrthing from teletubbies or roliepoliroly in a dome that looks like his head.Context matters.Compare this to Amy who in thr same game lives in a proper apartment complex.
>>584936195maybe, although a lot of scenes are removed for probably non censorship reasons, this one is completely harmless yet deleted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DumeueFTXuUI mean i could consider bulma a loli at that point but its mostly because of toriyama's art skills or style at the time, Maria deliberately looks like a child and is 12 in a series where clearly older looking female characters exist
>>584936350>That looks likeDepends on the game. The one you described is only in Battle. The one in Tails Adventures doesn't look like that, neither do his labs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKjnRTEzuN0
