Welcome to Sonic the Hedgehog General! Here we discuss all things Sonic!/sthg/ #9675 - Bored Meeting Edition==NEWS==>Discord server for some reasonhttps://x.com/sonic_hedgehog/status/2107231633082294555>SONIC PICO PARK on 12 November 2026https://picoparkgame.com/spp/>Sonic the Hedgehog: Memories and Beyond on 12 November 2026https://youtu.be/gg33XSAtdZM>Sonic the Hedgehog's 35th anniversaryhttps://www.sega.com/sonic-the-hedgehog?tab=35th-anniversary>Sonic the Hedgehog 4 on 19 March 2027https://x.com/SonicMovie>Netflix animated series for preschoolers with attitude in productionhttps://variety.com/2026/film/news/crazy-taxi-movie-netflix-sega-sonic-stranger-than-heaven-1236861148/==COMICS==Sonic the Hedgehog X Godzilla #4 - 11 November 2026Sonic and the Blade of Courage #18 - November 2026Sonic the Hedgehog #92 - 9 December 2026==OTHER==>Linkshttps://rentry.org/sthglinks>SAGEhttps://sagexpo.org/>SHChttps://shc.zone/>#10000 Projecthttps://pastebin.com/Fb8Bt4ruPrevious Zone: >>585086115
*headpats your OC*
>>585132668yippe
rotes
airdahS
>>585132543Classic - modern split is stupid and they should be able to use pretty kitty without restriction
maybe we would have been better off had boom succeeded then there'd be no cream or blaze or silver or rouge
>>585132543>"Hey look, Ratchet just flew a pirate ship into a giant robot's face!"
>>585132654Amy gets enough love and attention>but I said Creamyes
>>585132743GRRRRRR!!! *has a 12 hour melty to destroy big rotor pixel art*
>>585132886Honestly? I’d take it
>>585132819>zody
>>585132886But Maria?
First Barry of the thing
>>585132886>>585132989the boom show is the best Sonic media since 2004
>>585132819Millenial humor was never good
>>585132408>so was that all he did for Sonic before? If you mean the SNK/Dimps person (Yukihiro Higashi), no, he stuck around for the rest of Dimps' Sonic games, including even Lost World 3DS, and kept working at Dimps after. >can't for the life of his squinting eyes see kids and teens stayed with Sonic for good gameplay shit and physics, unlike nowadays people see Sonic as just fartnite original character do not steel.People stuck to Sonic for various reasons, and him talking about Sonic becoming iconic was due to SEGA wanting that. Iizuka is the current spokesperson for the series.>Why does he think Sonic just be like Final Fantasy.He doesn't, because he's not the art director. Please do research before you berate developers.
>>585133175The Boom show was a middling Cartoon Network show of the time with 2010s American humor, I don't see how it's better than some of the well-designed games released since 2004.
Lunch time. Hotdog! (Sonic took all the chili)
Why is Tails so shit
>>585133596>well-designed games released since 2004
>>585132803Commandow
>>585132127She was the lead in her own story mode in Heroes and is off on her own in 06She's even largely independant in Battle.I actually think Amy has more potential as a solo hero. I think its just easier to market her. But Knuckles in particular is just neglect imo. Making a game for him is very straightforward.
>>585133823Idk we should kill him
Sonic Team white knights are mentally ill.
>>585132956Look at our little princess
>>585133995Cope harder tailscel
>>585132886You take that back you sonovabitch
>>585133842>I think its just easier to market her.To girls only, and girls aren’t a big Sonic demographic
Being a hero is not a self-determined role but as how you're perceived. There is an argument to say Sonic is not a hero in the same way Luffy isn't a hero because they believe themselves to fulfill their own styles of living selfishly with no responsability towards doing good, so they aren't heroes. But this becomes merely a semantic debate when all of their actions are perceived as heroic by others. Goku of all people poses a more interesting debate of whether he's a hero or not because he actually made decisions that seemed unheroic like letting Vegeta go.
>>585132956>CreamWhy do people pretend to like this character other than "she was in Sonic X".
>>585134304Because she also was in Sonic Heroes.
>>585132754
>>585133842Knuckles already missed his window with Movie 2 and a tv show
Can someone make a drawing of Sonic doing this to Tails?
If you weren’t in Sonic Heroes you don’t matter
Give me a good reason why i should believe (you)?
>>585134276Luffy almost never kills any villain, they all magically survive and keep doing evil things
>>585134502Sonic not good.
>>585134220Amy is liked by both. She is just disporportionaly boosted by the female fanbase relative to other characters.For example, if you count just boys, Amy drops behind Silver and Metal Sonic in popularity. But if you include girls, she is the most popular character after the G3+S.And all you really need to do to "fix" that is give her a new outing with fun unique gameplay again imo and have her be stylish and sassy again.
"Sonic X is a perfect example of Sonic's character" No it fucking isn't.
>>585132819>>585133075Name's familiar from somewhere.
>>585134475>If you weren’t in SA2 you don’t matterftfy
>>585134847Fair enough
>>585133102>You're trying to win on language games rather than engaging with the substance of what is said.Your image separated the dying robot and compassion to loners, and I was replying specifically to the robot and companion parts of the image in that.>He then shows it to Cream.I must have forgotten that, fair enough. Doesn't that justify Cream's role in that regard, though? She was the character that was established as related to Emerl, so she befriends Gemerl. I must clarify that I haven't played Battle in a while, but I don't see why Cream can't have a role like this that is similar to Amy's.>...this literally supports my point. The Chaotix were an actual serious consideration for the game's story while Cream was a mcguffin.Many characters are a mcguffin in Shadow by that logic, characters like Tails and Knuckles appear as part of a few stage missions and do nothing in last story. My point was that Cream wasn't used to take away from Amy's character in that, so I don't see why Cream should be gotten rid of for having a role in other games.>Not meaningfully so. I don't know why you believe having 2 of the same kind of character except one is strawberry and the other is vanilla makes them a valued contribution to the cast.By that logic, Emerl could have been made another E-Series robot, characters like Fang could have not been made at all due to being similar to Knuckles, and Gerald/Maria fulfilling a similar narrative purpose in SA2 to SA1 equivalents could have meant rewriting SA2 to change that. A similar character to Amy that suits Blaze better and is differentiated by not loving Sonic and not having a temper, but being polite and childish existing isn't a bad thing in my eyes, and that's also why she doesn't appear as often, which I don't mind.>>585133838You don't like the portable games or Mania?
>>585134359People found her annoying in Heroes because of her voice.
>>585134953The last portable game that mattered was Advance 3, which was exactly 2004 and why I picked that year specifically>ManiaClassic psychosis needs to die
>>585135025Fair.
>>585132869I don't mind them using the classic designs whenever they want if they were just treated as an art style. Having those games always be set in the past and having certain character be locked to only classic or modern is fucking dumb. Also SA1 is the real continuation of Sonic 3K and they planned to use those classic designs since the beginning. Sonic Superstars doesn't add anything by being set before SA1 and nothing would change if it was set after Frontiers. I don't know if Sage is obligated to show up in every new mainline game now but she shouldn't if she has nothing to do, same for any other character
>>585134847>"Look Metal! You made it in! You matter too!"
>>585134639Killing the bad guy doesn't make ypu a hero or a villian in any shape. A better example is when Luffy broke free a shit ton of criminals from Impel Down because he was on a personal mission to save Ace, this was an actual selfish chain of events with negative consequences for their world. Then again One Piece is a little morally weird because the bad guys are the government to begin with.I can't imagine an equivalent where Sonic did a selfish thing with negative consequences for most people involved
>>585132670Not that, this I mean. He had in mind a "RPG style" basking Sonic in a more emphasized storytelling and grand scale level. No idea if he meant it in some form for gameplay too. I recall reading somewhere he meant it too in the earliest conceptualizations of S&K.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-G5IPsYrYNE&t=37s
>>585135025Amy's Adventure-era voice is virtually a duplicate of my ex, so everytime she grunts it reminds me of when wevhad sex at her parent's house and I'd try to sush her.
>>585135306did you ever rp as sonamy?
Who's your favorite Sonic bot?
>>585135543Emerl
>>585135306
>>585135543Sage. Metal is hardly a character but a force of nature/muscle for Eggman, and Bokkun can shove my dick in his mouth just so he can stfu
>>585133626I appreciate you giving him a Halloween costume.
>>585135543
>>585135543Do enemies count? If you mean just the ones that aren't, I like Metal Sonic and Tails Doll. Metal was used well in a few cases, had a few nice fights and has a great design, while Tails Doll's character concept and design is fun and playing as him is, too.
>>585133319>People stuck to Sonic for various reasonsand they are still stuck with Sonic for all the stupid shit nowadays like shipping, Exe kids shit, autism and others except actual good games, this general being a plain textbook example of it.
>>585135543al
That's what I was talking aboutMimic, Eggman, Mephiles - in other words- murderers are fineBut mind-control or rape - Blackwood - is a big no-noWhat is it that causes this phenomenon
>>585135865There has been gameplay discussion in some of the threads recently even here, and there's been more people getting interested in engaging with Sonic gameplay more in other places. Even the whole thing about momentum has only become prominent outside of SonicRetro circles ever since Mania or so.
>>585135478No, I didn't play those games yet.
>>585134953>Your image separated the dying robot and compassion to loners, and I was replying specifically to the robotNo, you are the one eho actually separated them when trying to claim it was a "1 time thing for Amy". It's ehy I specifically said if Cream wasn't introduced to have G/Emerl elevated as a relationship with her specifically, the claim falls appart.>Doesn't that justify Cream's role in that regard, though?It's artificial. There is no reason for it to be other than they decided to to the exclusion of anyone else.>She was the character that was established as related to EmerlJust last post you were saying the opposite. Make up your mind. Was her relationship to him particular or wasn't it?As you claimed yourself, everyone befriends him. But Amy specifically had a story arc around being his mom. >but I don't see why Cream can't have a role like this that is similar to Amy'sIt's not that it can't. You can technically do whatever you want. The question is why even? What eould be the point for example, if I introduced another character whose thing was being bullied and then following Sonic and being into tech, but i made them 13 and a wolf instead? Especially if you already have Tails right there.In a hypothetical world where Amy wasn't involved at all for what reason have you, it would be a different convo. No one is accusing Shara or Merlina for example of "snubbing Elise". But since you have the character right there and they are in the story, it begs the question of why the character is in there to begin with.>Many characters are a mcguffin in Shadow by that logic,I feel like youre arguing for the sake of it at this point and forgot why you even argued this point originally. I could literally respond "yes" to this and it wouldn't change the crux of my point.>By that logic, Emerl could have been made another E-SeriesThe entire premise of Emerl is that he is ancient battlebot Eggman finds. He is closer to Chaos or Shadow in that respect.
>>585136196IDW fans and Satam fans keep switching up on who's the worst in the Sonic fandom
>>585136196I need a context on picrel. Who is her, what movie and I get that Sonic is on Fortnite but as a robot impersonating him, Knuckles and Shadow, because Sega wouldn't let Sonic handle a gun and they needed to give an excuse to make them taller, because Golden Eye Odd-job.
>>585135543Omega, Gamma, Mecha and Emerl are all based.
>>585136196IDW fags love talking about sensitivity and vulnerability like these are amazing traits to have. I understand the moral. People don't need to be treated like shit just because they're crybabies but come on. It's like they think being a crybaby is cool and based.
>>585136207I wish.
>>585134834It sounds easy (because it is) but good luck getting ST to do it.
>>585136420>who's the worst in the Sonic fandomJap purists get the crown easily, here and on Twitter. They are the Satamfags 2.
Incel ship
>>585136196It's literally just because it's blaze and blazefags wanted to see her do cool shit + fear of implications of shipshit potential (whether its mind control blazewood or blackwood being used to push silvaze) If the story was dapple being the bride while blaze saved her way less people would give a shit.
>>585136951How do you make a Silver more off model than Uwuver
>>585136572The movie's Obsession"Be careful what you wish for" trope, the girl in picrel is Nikki who under a wish was changed/possessed
>>585136951I don't like silvisper but why is it specifically incel
>>585137019When you put it like that it doesn't sound like they're asking for much, though what they want definitely conflicts with Silvaze fans
>>585137041he's oldtechnically some -160 years old, but still old
>>585137041You give him aura
>>585136390>No, you are the one eho actually separated them when trying to claim it was a "1 time thing for Amy".Specifically the bird companion and robot death things, as the robot death was separated from the other instances of Amy's compassion in the image. >Just last post you were saying the opposite. Make up your mind. Was her relationship to him particular or wasn't it?I didn't remember Battle's ending and mainly spoke in regards to the main games and Rush, so my bad. I won't say anything else about Battle since I don't remember it as well as I thought, so if you know that story well, you are right.>The question is why even?She has a different personality from Amy, and the way she is compassionate also differs. Rush uses Cream's personality to create a dynamic between her and Blaze: it could have hypothetically been Amy with a different dynamic and she would have convinced Blaze in a different manner, potentially similarly to Shadow in SA2, or both Amy and Cream could have been sidelined/cut from Rush and Tails was the one to convince her instead if he wasn't with Sonic at first, which could have made Sonic's fight with Blaze impactful in a different way by having Tails put in a position where he realizes that the person he was helping is intending to fight Sonic for her mission. Stories using characters is what defines them and gives them notable moments, so I assume that's why Cream was chosen for that story so both Cream and Blaze can be established well while characters like Amy get to have more prominent roles in main games.>I feel like youre arguing for the sake of it at this point and forgot why you even argued this point originally.I argued it to point out that Cream being present doesn't mean Amy loses her role. You replied by saying she's just a mcguffin, which is why I replied by saying some of the other characters are like that in Shadow too.
>>585137342Gay erasure
>>585137376I mean you could write silver and blaze doing cool shit and satisfy both sides but IDW doesn't do it and 06 gave blaze a minor role instead of utilizing what blazefags would want her to do.
>>585136781It's really that easy. Give her cool hammer mobility, let her be a bit of a diva with confidence but still sweet and have talk smack and stand on business.
>>585137562Silver is asexual, not gay.forced american meme
>>585137562Than every gay ship is straight erasure
The Diamond Cutters don't deserve to be written IC by anyone
>>585137936>asexual
>>585138018no, because there are already too many straight ships, one gay ship won't matter>>585137936silver's not in the question here
>Amy>>>>>>>>>>>>>>aura farmingLmao'ing at this delusional bestie
>>585138275Whispangle is even more OOC
Whispangle is the Silvaze of IDW
Sonamy is the Whispangle of games
>>585137936>>585138193Literal made up term btw, lack of libido doesn’t change your sexuality
Whisper's only friends are the wisps. IDW made Whisper OOC to pander to fanon. She isn't in love with anyone.
>>585138275Whisper isn't gay either, mandates forbid her from getting into anything
Shadria is the Silvaze of games
>>585138457Very good comparison, writers pet ship that forces two characters who barely have any chemistry together and worsens both of them as a result
>>585137559>Specifically the bird companion and robot death things, as the robot death was separated from the other instances of Amy's compassion in the image.What's your point?>>585137559>She has a different personality from AmyBut Amy is already there. If she is just going to do what Amy already does, or do it instead of Amy so Amy is left eith nothing to do, she is not adding anything to thr experience. This is a position that only sounds sufficient if you already have Cream as your fave character and are working yout way backwards. >Rush uses Cream's personality to create a dynamic between her and Blaze: it could have hypothetically been Amy with a different dynamicIt would have been the same dynamic though. That's the thing. The upbeat sunny girl drags the introverted around out of their comfort zone.It isn't thr dynamic itself that would actually be different. The difference eould just be saying Cream dod it instead of Amy.Doing this kind of thing is already a thing Amy does. It's actually weird for Cre to be so forward on that respect in Rush if I being honest since normally she is more mild mannered.>argued it to point out that Cream being present doesn't mean Amy loses her role.My point was that Cream wasn't actually "present" in the game. She was a mcguffin in a side-mission. And this is reflected in her not even being present in the last story cutscenes.Cream is reduced to a satellite that floats around Amy, which isn't a meaningful use of Creams character.
Lettuce doesn't understand Tangle and Whisper
>>585136951This is the better SilverxEvan ship
>>585138352That's so cute!
>>585138337Not what was said. Amy can aurafarm herself. Just her own specific flavor.
boy
>>585138352I called your red OC "a thing" because with these stripes he looks a bit like Larry and he's a lynx
>>585138823I don't care about fans shipping or even the scene itself but the implications of it.if it was sonic or shadow they would've immediately deleted the blush, but they don't care about silver so he is at american hands.
Diamond Lesbians, but they are gays with token wolves
>>585139258Mcnosehair is fine. Sonic didn't come up with it, the Wisps did, he is honoring the wisps by repeating it. It's like if you heard that a bunch of monkeys call poacher "unibrow". It's funny that the helpless creatures came up with an insult for Eggman. Mcnosehair is fine, it isn't any more childish than "Eggman" which was retconned to an insult about Eggman being fat. Mcnosehair is based.
>>585139308What fans think they were robbed of by IDW
>>585139023that daily prompt reminded me of the plush I drew a while ago, it was a great time to bring him back>>585139056ah, that's okay, honestly I didn't think stripes are really something that should be strict species indicators but I understand how you got thattbf he's just "cat" and not a specific breed/species, so thing isn't too far off
>>585138719>What's your point?That these two specific elements are one-offs for Amy, and that the bird/Cheese thing also isn't comparable because Cheese also serves a purpose in being a big part of Cream's playstyle while the bird that accompanied Amy doesn't relate to that at all, Amy's playstyle instead being defined by her playing differently from others and using her hammer.>It would have been the same dynamic though. That's the thing. The upbeat sunny girl drags the introverted around out of their comfort zone.Not really? Amy tends to go wherever Sonic is around, even if her compassion for others can also be a factor, while Cream was there to help Blaze specifically because of her niceness. Cream goes around and introduces Blaze to others and describes them like a polite child, while Amy would have likely gotten interested as a result of Blaze's conflict with Sonic and would have tried to convince her on her own. These would have been similar stories, but still different, and led to different interactions: Amy's speech and mannerisms aren't like Cream's, and that matters heavily in a game like Rush, where basic and short interactions is how the story is told. That's why I assume Cream was mostly a spin-offs character in the first place, and it's why I like her role in Rush. >My point was that Cream wasn't actually "present" in the game. She was a mcguffin in a side-mission. And this is reflected in her not even being present in the last story cutscenes.That's why I brought up other characters, it's just what the Shadow game does with some of them, and Tails/Knuckles being present in the last story scenes doesn't change that they're still barely more impactful than Cream in that story.
Douge
>>585139678Stop seething about Shadria
>>585139881>chaos and tikal for the third time
>>585139962Fire and water
>>585139646 (me)>Cream is reduced to a satellite that floats around Amy, which isn't a meaningful use of Creams character.I agree with this, though, I don't like the idea of having Cream appear whenever Amy is used. I think it was nice in Heroes, where she was given a dynamic with Amy and Big, and Cheese/Froggy's disappearance is used to give Amy a reason to investigate (and explain how Neo Metal Sonic has the Chaos-like liquid ability), and I think Cream being used to have Amy around in Cryptic Castle is cute, but I don't think Cream should be used like that often and it's true that in the Shadow game's case, Amy could have just had another person she was looking for. That's why I don't mind that Cream haven't had many appearances, if the staff don't think their stories would be better if she had a dynamic with one of the characters, then that's just how it is.
Sonic Adventure: An immortal being sealed away a long time ago wants to destroy the world. He was friends with an innocent girl who is also not alive anymore. He sided with Eggman only to change the script and try destroying everything Sonic Adventure 2:
The problem with shitty friends is you end up with the Scrappy effect where you have to simplify the existing characters more and more in order to pretend they have something to do or contribute.When your mentality is to "make a character work" rather than recognize what the writing and story needs and what the character does or doesnt bring to the table, you run into problems.A character has to do more than provide their mere existence.
>>58514044513 Ghosts was absolute kino though
Delete everyone that was not in Sonic Heroes
HOLY SHIT SPONIC HEROES 2 WAS JUST ANNOUNCED LOOK AT THE CHANNEL
Shadow doesn't give a shit about Rouge. He sees her as a tool useful for achieving his goals and that's it.Rouge is constantly manipulating Shadow and exploiting his ptsd to get what she wants.Officially not even friends according to Sega. Shadow will only ever love Maria. Rouge was literally made for Knuckles.
>>585140928Nice try, Sonic Team is incapable of creating kino anymore.
>>585139962What if Iblis was Sol Chaos
>>585139646>That these two specific elements are one-offs for AmyCan't you see how this is circular? >Amy tends to go wherever Sonic is around,See how you already have to reduxe and limit Amy to "make space" for Cream? Amy does things besides chase sonic all the time. And evrn if she was, it doesn't even matter because Cream spends the whole game trying to get Blaze to meet Sonic. It's why she meets up with Amy to begin with.>That's why I brought up other characters, it's just what the Shadow game does with some of them, and Tails/Knuckles being present in the last story scenes doesn't change that they're still barely more impact.But it does because it shows they were given attention and treated as essential and the writing reflects this.Cream doesn't do anything writing-wise nor is treated as a core essential character for the issues to crop up.Maybe you are okay with Cream just being the thing Amy has around her, but i dont think that's ideal for either character.Point is, pointing at Shadow05 as an example doesnt work because of this reason specifically.
For me, it's Silvisper
Shitdow and Maria ruined the series
>>585141381This
>>585141275Fuck, SONisperautocorrect be damned
Can blaze fly?
Remember that while you should use the characterizations from the games, you also need to make sure all the comic characters are ooc in your projects. The comics are ooc so their characters shouldn't be respected.
What ruined the franchise is Sonic Team and their bullshit ideas. Whatever character you hate would exist in another form, with the same retarded ideas being their foundation
>>585138352plush for hugsboyfriend for fucks
I ruined Sonic Team
>>585141983A lot of it is sega rather than sonic team specifically
>>585141251>Can't you see how this is circular? Not really? Amy is never defined by a bird companion after that and it has no relation to her gameplay, while the robot deaths are in different contexts due to Amy not meeting Gamma save for the bird inside of it after she defends him on Egg Carrier. I can't speak much on comparisons to Emerl, but I don't think Cream had a moment with Emerl or Gemerl similar to that Egg Carrier scene, either.>Amy does things besides chase sonic all the time. And evrn if she was, it doesn't even matter because Cream spends the whole game trying to get Blaze to meet Sonic.Yes, but Amy is still influenced by that trait, and examples like 06 Silver show that by having her love for Sonic play a part in her actions. Things like this and her personality are what makes using Cream for that story and dynamic different from using Amy.>But it does because it shows they were given attention and treated as essential and the writing reflects this.Essential, yes, they are main characters and not side ones. But I don't think Tails or Knuckles had much impact in that game's story, it's more that them being missing from a big event would have been odd.>Maybe you are okay with Cream just being the thing Amy has around her, but i dont think that's ideal for either character.I've said this in another post, but no, I agree with you. I am fine with Cream not being used like that again and only appearing if development staff sees merit in her being part of a story or having a dynamic. I liked her as a playable character in Advance 2/3 and Battle, and I liked her role in Heroes and Rush, but I don't mind that she isn't around as much now, and I wouldn't want her to be forced to appear whenever Amy is around.
>>585142240Sonic Team would be just as shit under any other company and rightfully culled for poor performance.
>>585141795What is this supposed to be? A fan redesign?
Sonic Team is based. The comics are shit.
>>585141983I can't think of any "weird ideas" that Sonic Yeam pushed that are really bad or have been negative for the series. All the bad ones were the cheap, focus tested feeling and overly corporate sounding ones.
Sonic Team was never good
Sonic Team died with the Dreamcast
>>585139678Cute N Canon!
Comic fans want Sonic to be a vulnerable self insert
I'm hyped for the last Crossworld cup tomorrow. Maybe if the meta changes I will even try to go for emerald
disappointing thread
has honeyfag hosted any srb2 lately?
>>585142835>>585139678Shadouge is Archie shit. They don't even like each other in the games. You don't respect Shadow or Rouge. You don't understand Shadow.
I don't understand rouge nor shadow
my girlfriend is spanish and loves shadow, i feel like she's more in love with him than me, why DO latinas love shadow so much (truth in memery)?
>Pulls down you pants and swipes at your dickHow do you react?
>my girlfriendYea right.
>>585142360The chao gameplay might be an evolution of sonic 3k's super tails flickies
>>585143019sneed
Shadouge fans never cared about Shadow. They think Shadow is supposed to be a soft guy who works for GUN and learns to be kind. They never played any games. They just read Archie and watched that scene from 06 on repeat. Shadow will never love Rouge. If Rouge died, he wouldn't even be sad.
>>585142360>Amy is never defined by a bird companionYou don't think Nishiyama when making Amy at home didn't get the idea of having a floating Chao companion next to her from the fact he wrote SA1 and Amy had the same thing with a Flicky? I think that's naive at best and willful ignorance at worst.>while the robot deaths are in different contexts due to Amy not meeting Gamma save for the bird inside of it after she defends him on Egg Carrier. Of all the things you could do or say to claim they are different, THiS thing you place your bets on? This is superfluous. The substance of it is the same.Also X has her see the death anyway.There isn't anything about that that can be attributed to Cream's use specifically.>but I don't think Cream had a moment with Emerl or Gemerl similar to that Egg Carrier scene, either.A lot of Amy's bonding with Emerl is taken from Amy and given to Cream instead in Battle. Instead of Emerl seeing Amy is straining herself out of guilt for being to weak to protect him and explaining that when you love someone, you will do just about anything for them to make them happy, Amy is K.Od in bed and Cream explains it all the Emerl for her instead.This robs Amy of a lot of pathos in rehards to her dynamic with Emerl in lieu of having Cream be the one to do so instead since she is the "sweet girl empathy character" instead now.> and examples like 06 Silver show that by having her love for Sonic play a part in her actions. Things like this and her personality are what makes using Cream for that story and dynamic different from using Amy.Not really? Part of Blaze's arc is her being resistant to meeting Sonic because everyone keeps glazing him. Amy does this just fine on her own. If anything, i'd make more sense for Blaze to be put off from Amy glazing Sonic really.(Cont)
>>585143502doesn't happen
>>585143569Only obsessed schizos look at this scene and think Rouge is saying "We have the same dynamic as Sonic and Amy". Shadow and Rouge aren't friends. Shadouge is OOC.
>>585143019>>585143640Uh oh krack meltie
>>585143861Shadow and Rouge aren't friends. Cope.
>>585143541Conceptually similar, but not in function. Tails' Flickies are automatic and serve as a passive buff for his super form, while Cream's Cheese is manually activated and has a range limit for activation (though if you're in range, it can reach even from bottom of screen to top), so the player has to consider that and the after-use delay when using it to play well. It also lets Cream cancel her flight, which gives her a unique advantage while her flight still serves to be way weaker than Tails' flight due to it having a shorter duration. It's likely that they were inspired by Super Tails for it, though.
>>585142360>>585143648>But I don't think Tails or Knuckles had much impact in that game's story, it's more that them being missing from a big event would have been odd.Knuckles fair enough, since including him in things is a whole convo, but Tails specifically is how they get to thr ARK and Black Comet to begin with, including Shadow. >I've said this in another post, but no, I agree with youAlright we are getting somewhere. The reason I say this is because I would like to discuss ideas for situations where she does or can, because as it stands, im not convinced she would be used in anything that isn't spinoff roster filler or a hypothetical Amy leading story as things stand, and if the latter is to happen, i'd prefer an idea on how to make it work without repeating the issues of these previous games.
It's time to go
Why do Shadouge fans hate Sonic Team and their intentions?
>>585144159If you hate shadouge you hate sonic team and their intentions
>>585144134It's time to doe
The lore team is probably full of Shadouge fans. Evan likes Shadouge and she constantly writes characters ooc.
Arguments between Silver fans and Blaze fans are incredible. They're both blatant attempts at recreating the hype of Shadow or Knuckles, but made by devs who didn't know what the fuck they were doing.
I wish more people in sthg actually liked the real Sonic characters. There's only a handful of people here who actually understand the games and you treat them like shit
>>585144284I'M GONNA "DOE" (YOU) IN THE ASS.
>>585144330If sonic team and the lore team are full of shadougefags then it's not OOC
give me (you)s I need the adrenaline
>>585144547But I poop from there!
>>585144510Sonic was always a cyberpunk franchise with mystical elements. Silver and Blaze tried to turn it into the opposite. There's a reason blazefags are always furfags.
>>585142542https://x.com/JessieMorg29303/status/2112619361122857137https://x.com/JessieMorg29303/status/2112623611806732778
>>585144284bump adventure 1 coming out 2027
>>585144589>>585144603Nobody at Sega cares about Shadouge. You hate Maria.
If Ian and Evan got one thing right, it was shadouge
>>585144749an AU design? cool
>>585144025That's rhe same function. One is just automatic.
>>585144603>ToesWhy are all Shadouge fags westshitters?
>>585145095 japanese or eastern fans rarely care about rouge in general
Why do you hate Maria?
>>585145392She raped Shadow
>>585145095seethe, footlet
>>585145392She groomed Shadow.
>>585139832>proceeds to seeth
>>585145820Shadouge schizo can't even spell
>>585145993Ma'am this is a shadouge general
>>585143648>You don't think Nishiyama when making Amy at home didn't get the idea of having a floating Chao companion next to her from the fact he wrote SA1 and Amy had the same thing with a Flicky? No? Cheese rarely has much of a narrative purpose while serving a notable gameplay purpose, so I never made the connection.>This robs Amy of a lot of pathos in rehards to her dynamic with Emerl in lieu of having Cream be the one to do so instead since she is the "sweet girl empathy character" instead now.Fair enough, then, I really don't remember Battle's story enough to speak on that.>Not really? Part of Blaze's arc is her being resistant to meeting Sonic because everyone keeps glazing him. Amy does this just fine on her own. And that would then make Amy and Blaze's dynamic, and the way Amy goes about convincing Blaze, different. I think Amy would take matters into her own hands in regards to Blaze, rather than just optimistically taking Blaze to meet with people and help her with her problems. And the interactions themselves would differ as well, both the mundane ones and the Sonic confrontation.>Tails specifically is how they get to thr ARK and Black Comet to begin with, including Shadow. Oh, right, my bad.>The reason I say this is because I would like to discuss ideas for situations where she does or can, because as it stands, im not convinced she would be used in anything that isn't spinoff roster filler or a hypothetical Amy leading story as things standI see. I can't help with that much, as I am fine with the appearances she had as is, but I read in one of the threads here that she appeared in the Otherworld Comedy and was a detective going after an Eggman robot, so I think a mundane, yet odd role like that could suit her. Maybe if a game she'd be in has side stories?
>>585146025Even Shadikal has more evidence
>>585143648There is no proof that Tails owns the rocket that flew to the Ark and the black comet
PoV: You are a in danger.
>>585145064But it serves different gameplay purposes for reasons I've described. Hyper Sonic has a double jump, Lost World Sonic has a double jump, but the two are used entirely differently in their games. However, this applies specifically to S3&K and Advance 2/3's gameplay uses for these mechanics, so if you're speaking from a conceptual perspective, that's fair.
>lust provoking image
Everyone gets to fuck Shadow except Hope. She isn't good enough.
>>585146443From Chris Hansen, maybe
>>585139056I had replied you before about collab stuff, did you see it? Figured to ask since you seemed to have a piqued interest on it.
Ken Penders secretly visits sthg, that's why he wrote that book.
Remember to ignore and hide all Rotor posts.
>>585146639i was kinda asleep>what'd you like to see Rotor doing more idk, shadow? do you have any image with shadow?
>and sonic realized that he was never meant to be tied down, and ran off into the sunset chasing the egg carrier with tails, free as the wind>shadow wasn't swayed by an attempt to clone mariaYou aren't slick Ken, I know you're here.
I don't think Ken Penders comes here. I think his draft just coincidentally happens to align with certain ideas in the Sonic fandom because he's insane.
Scourge rape correcting Surge
>>585147024Tailspedo...
remember when you could post shadouge without multiple spergs coming to scream at you for violating their madebelieve headcanons
Never believe that a website is off limits for any person of any group
>>585146051>Cheese rarely has much of a narrative purpose while serving a notable gameplay purpose, so I never made the connection.The trope of giving a young girl character a small critter companion is an old tried and true shoujo trope. You will recognize it in things like Magical Girl anime like with Kero, Luna or Kyube.It dates back to like the 50s and 60s. >and that would then make Amy and Blaze's dynamic, and the way Amy goes about convincing Blaze, different.No it wouldn't. Not meaningfully so. At that point, you can justify the inclusion of anything. >I think Amy would take matters into her own hands in regards to Blaze,...Cream literally does that in Rush, rushing the grab her and whisk her away like Amy is known to do.You're kind of just trying to play word smith to attempt to frame it as different when it isn't meaningfully so. Cream is still reliant on Amy's inclusion and functions in the story. The dynamic is parasitic.>And the interactions themselves would differ as well, both the mundane ones and the Sonic confrontation.The interactions would be different insofar as Cream isn't literally Amy. But the dynamic is the same.The only thing Cream really provides that Amy doesn't is the opportunity to ge kidnapped (people are just more critical of when Amy is damseled) and paralelisms with Sonic and Tails...which where originally parallels Amy and Cream had.>>585146051>Maybe if a game she'd be in has side stories?I don't see her getting any fot its sake for her unless its a situation where they are doing them for everyone and Cream becomes roped into the affair though.Did you read the IDW Hero camp story?
remember when the silvazeu poster was heregood times
>>585147697What happened? Who are these people who always attack Shadouge?
I wish His World wasn't associated with such a bad game.
>>585147697It was only posted once. It gets posted every thread why sperg out now?
>>585146443
>>585146316Omfg killypurself you flaming wikishitter.The Cyclone is literally attached to it at the front.
>>585147926Who cares about the fan of two subpar characters and their ship?
>>585148168Maria needs spankings.
Why is there always someone here shitting on Shadouge?
>>585148067Playing stupid isn't a good look. The past few months every time shadouge gets posted the peanut gallery chimes in
>>585146497>but it serves different gameplay purposesNo it doesn't. They just took an overpowered unlock from a previous game and gave it to a new character they made as the easy mode to make them easy.This is like if I made Classic Shadow play like Super Sonic and you claimed "they serve different purposes" because one is an unlock and the other isn't.Youre just making up just-so stories.
>>585148319It's just one unemployed foid
>>585147024you just sounded like the most humongous faggot I ever seen and just because of that, I want Rotor in the games.
Shadouge fans get mad when you say Archie Shadow is OOC
I like how the Sonic Adventure games are just the normal world + Sonic shit. I don't like the movies even though it's also the normal world + Sonic shit. Am I just nostalgia blind?
>>585148301>Chaos Control spankings
helloooooo sthg!
>>585148917I never read Archie, was it douge orientated?
>>585149143>solid color Fionaevil...
>>585149082You're not nostalgia blind. Sonic Adventure is a good game. I like its human world + Sonic setting too
My dog when he has a bee trapped in his mouth
>>585149143Please stop harassing that poor white boy
>>585149289I'd let him hit.
>>585149289Sticks is in THERE???
There is no "new direction" for Shadow. He was never nice.
>>585147880>The trope of giving a young girl character a small critter companion is an old tried and true shoujo trope.Yes, but as I said, since Cheese was mostly for a gameplay purpose while Amy's was used for the events of SA1's story, I didn't think the two were similar.>...Cream literally does that in Rush, rushing the grab her and whisk her away like Amy is known to do.I don't think it would work the same in the context of Rush's story, since I see the dynamic with Cream as being heavy on Cream's more mundane and childish part, with her bringing Blaze around just to show her to everyone she knows. If Amy was the one who met Blaze, I think she'd be more determined to help her out directly, both since I think Amy would be more considerate towards Blaze not wanting to waste time while Cream is ignorant to it, and since Amy would be more likely to try and find Sonic herself, which would lead to an early confrontation. I don't think it's parasitic in Rush's case, as Amy causes Blaze to think about her emotions/being closed in. I also think the interactions differing is part of why I like it, as Cream's childish interactions with the characters and her roping along Blaze is uniquely cute, and I think having Amy in the role would also be cute, but in a different manner due to her being a more spunky and passionate character.>Did you read the IDW Hero camp story?No, I don't keep up with IDW too well, but I might sometime. Is there something about that story?>>585148581>No it doesn't. They just took an overpowered unlock from a previous game and gave it to a new character they made as the easy mode to make them easy.I explained how they serve different gameplay purposes. I don't mean to be rude, but please consider how these two abilities are applied by players of these games.
brushy
>>585149197Not anymore than the games are, so that aspect of archie was actually ic
>>585149978There is nothing IC about Rouge and Shadow in Archie
>>585150103That's a minority opinion. The vast majority of fans disagree with you
>>585150103Did you ignore my question so you could get mad at whoever answered it?
>>585150290You mean fans obsessed with a headcanon that goes against the games? You should never talk about characterization again.
>>585149082As it turns out, you can't just boil things down in this manner when discussing substance and appeal.
>>585150531Shadouge is canon anon idk why you're ignoring what everyone is telling you.
>>58515072720 years ago you would say mobius is canon just because it's the majority fan opinion instead of what Sonic Team says.
Archiefags will call the games OOC
I have stopped consuming art.
I'm starting to realize a lot of you post here during the darkest times of your lives. If this is what helps you through your issues, I hope you find peace.
>>585151849
>>585151849The blackpill is the only true way to move through life.
>>585152020It really isn't.
I'm bored of thing I used to enjoy.So I started enjoying other thing.
>Shadow characterization discussionA lot of you guys don't really like him for anything other than shipping, it shows when someone tries to explain the real character and you either insult him or insult the person explaining him. You're going to try to blame me as an individual for this guy attacking Archie/Shadouge right now too. You'd like him to be a gruff jaded old man with a government job who lost a generic friend/sister-figure he can easily move on from. Your perception of Shadow could never be described as graceful or pure, to you he can just recover from the trauma and return to being a mentally healthy well-adjusted person with a social life.
>>585152116You're delusional.
>>585149798>Yes, but as I said, since Cheese was mostly for a gameplay purpose while Amy's was used for the events of SA1's story, I didn't think the two were similarI think its very obvious the inspiration came from there given eho made the character.>>585149798>I think Amy would be more considerate towards Blaze not wanting to waste time while Cream is ignorant to it, and since Amy would be more likely to try and find Sonic herself, which would lead to an early confrontation.I don't see where you this. Amy is known to enjoy sightseeing and Cream herself points out how she tends to be shortsighted and distracted.06 even has a scene where Silver prods at her over it only for Amy to apologize.Even then, Cream doesnt actually do anything of the sort. She looks for Amy so that Amy can bring them to Sonic. They run into Knuckles by happenstance. Everything else is because Blaze is after her Sol Emeralds. I dont see any reason to believe Amy wouldnt help Blaze with those.>Is there something about that story?Nothing in particular. Just an example of a Cream side story.
>>585149085>freeze time>spank Maria twenty times>"and time resumes">Maria sent flying
>>585149798>explained how they serve different gameplay purposes. I don't mean to be rude, but please consider how these two abilities are applied by players of these games.Read my whole post.
I haven't been to this thread in a while. What do we argue about nowadays?
>>585152635Same shit.
I want to fuck Mobian women
>>585152728Grim.
I'm actually reading GOTF right now. Evan's Shadow is literally just Wolverine. Silver is very cute.
>>585152169It wasn't easy to move on. There was a whole game about it. But he did move on.
https://files.catbox.moe/nauhow.jpg
>>585153018He didn't move on from Maria in that game, you're as illiterate as Ian. You formed a headcanon and get mad when it's proven untrue.
>>585153142It's as explicit as it can get. He throws away the picture and says the old shadow I'd gone forever. 06 follows it up by having mephiles try to tempt him with the ghost of Maria and his promise, but he isn't moved by it at all. He moved on.
You people ruined my favorite idw page
>>585153498This page confirmed Sonurge
de furried your furries
>>585153469Mephiles never mentions Maria lol. Takashi Iizuka himself, the man who wrote the game, disagrees with you. What Shadow did is throw away the way he was always used for someone else's will instead of his own, and his own will is protect the planet Maria loved so much.Why else would Shadow Gens' plot have happened? Why would she make him cry again, post-ShtH? Why would he be mentioning her wish in Crossworlds? Why would TSR have a car part named after Maria? Why have the staff always continued to mention how much he cares for Maria? They never stopped even once. You formed a headcanon because you didn't listen to what he was saying in the actual game.
time to napremember to draw
>>585154083RepulsiveKill all humanfags
>>585154083I find it funny how often underground keeps getting incorporated into fanon AUs when its obvious nobody actually likes that Show
>>585154083This is the future humanfags want.
>>585154083What's Underground's appeal
>>585152305>I think its very obvious the inspiration came from there given eho made the character.I see, I didn't know about Nishiyama's role in SA1 before, but thank you for informing me, then.>I don't see where you this. Amy is known to enjoy sightseeing and Cream herself points out how she tends to be shortsighted and distracted.My point is, the specific way it was done is different due to the character used. Cream seeks to help Blaze but insists on going to places and then introducing her to people, which sets the tone of Rush's story, with how Blaze is affected not by a specific character, but going through a ton of peaceful scenarios, suiting a mundane character like Cream. While Amy might have brought Blaze to some sightseeing, I think she'd realize Blaze is worrying about her mission and seek to help her with the Sol Emeralds, while also noticing Blaze closing herself in and trying to help with that. If you don't find that convincing, I don't have much else to say about my perspective on Cream as a character, sorry.>Nothing in particular. Just an example of a Cream side story.I'll look into it sometime, thank you.>>585152443>Read my whole post.I have, you didn't address it because your example implies an identical function. An example I'd use is Insta Shield: it's considered the same ability in Sonic 3 and Advance games, but gameplay-wise, it's barely alike. Sonic 3's insta-shield gives temporary invincibility, and has a large enough hitbox to be Sonic's main tool against most enemies and bosses. Advance's is a relatively situational move used only for the hitbox extend. There's something interesting about the Insta Shield in Sonic 3 as well: it cancels Sonic's roll jump lock, which can be compared to how Cheese cancels flight, as both allow the player to regain a control state they'd normally have to concede for (end roll and jump normally, land to end flight or have a downward hitbox attack - Cream cancel sends her into the jump attack animation)
>>585154083This artist>says she dislikes Sonamy because Sonic isn't respectful to Amy>ships SHADAMY>uses Underground as a basis for her AU for some reason >Ships Sonurge and uses the generic tsundere personality for Surge>almost never acknowledges that Kit exists >said her one rule is that she will never draw gay people
Is Superstars worth $18? I heard kind of mixed things about it.
Ship for this feel?
>>585154686What, rape?>>585154674Never played it, sorry.
>>585154083Blaze is not Indian.
>>585154686You mean RAPE?
>>585154686All good ships have that dynamic. Sonic needs a girl who gives him thrills.
>>585154949kys duo
>>585154097>shadow gens>tsrThese games came out 20 years after the original arc my man, they have nothing to do with it and can't be used as evidence of anything except that sonic Team and the westshit writers no longer understand the character.
>>585154674I'd say so. I think I got it for $11, but was surprised how much I liked it. The only major problems are that the bosses are kinda lame and I really hated the Knuckles exclusive level. Oh, and there are bonus stage pop ups like every five steps that really ruin the flow of the stages, but once I started ignoring them, my experience improved drastically.trip cute
>>585154762>>585154942YES, RAPE
>>585155052It's you who doesn't understand the character. The writer of the game was clear.
>>585154949That's why Sonurge is cute. It just works for someone like Sonic who's as free as the wind.
Rare not-Amy
>>585154446tamers
>>585154686Shadaria.
>過去に、自分の目の前で最愛の少女を失ったという経緯があり、その記憶と、死ぬ間際の少女の願いがトラウマとなって今のシャドウを動かす原動力になっている。In the past, Shadow lost the girl most beloved to him before his own eyes. That memory, and the girl's wish as she was dying, became a trauma, and it is the driving force that moves Shadow now.
>>585154798Poor Chao.>>585154674It depends on what you like in 2D Sonic. It has physics and movement accurate to classic games, though Knuckles' glide was given a nerf while Tails' flight seems like it was buffed. Structure is similar to Sonic 3/Mania, but stage design tends to have similarities to Sonic 1 or CD in cases, and a lot of the stages are made with players seeking to get better at them in mind, which can make them at odds with casual players. Bosses can be intrusive to pacing since they often block speedkills, but some of them are more engaging to fight than a lot of the classic bosses if you want that sort of thing from a Sonic game. Like Mania, time attack mode excludes bosses, so if you're willing to clear the game once and like the stages enough, you can play it that way.
Kinda surprised how the second Boom game isn't shit. It kind of has the feel of a 3D boost game with how it focuses more on reaction than on pure platforming. Still like a 6/10 but it's an above average 3DS platformer.
No one asked Krack.
elongated your wolf
For me, it's Tekno
>>585155151>>585155294>statementfags will believe interviews and marketing blurbs 20 years after the original over just using their eyesCan't be reasoned with.
>>585155202>pre-reincarnation Amy
>>585154949>man sexually assaults woman by deception>this goes down in sonic history as one of the most shameful moments ever created >woman sexually assaults man by deception >fans uwufy her and act like this was a cute funny "messy" moment when her sole intention was breaking his will That doesn't sound fair, does it?
The squeakquel!
Silver and Whisper were never intended to be anything romantic.
>>585155487Lgtbbqwtf+++ propaganda character.
>>585155579>woman sexually assaults man by deceptionI don't remember Surge pretending to be Amy while fighting Sonic?
>>585155543This is from 2008. Why are they talking about his feelings for Maria through every single year? You're deep in denial because you ship Shadow with someone else and Maria gets in the way of that.
>>585154558wait insta shield and roll jump lock? i did play 3k a few times before but i am not sure how this works and what this does, can you explain?
Why aren't you vibecoding your fangame? I've lost pretty much all motivation to dev. Like a year or two of work that I've stopped touching. Fuck techbros
>>585155657>unlocked with halfliddingOoc
>>585154337>>585154558>the specific way it was done is different due to the character usedAt this point, we are basically at, "it's different because character A would hop only once while the other hops twice to get over the river"
>[character] was never intended to [blank]And I don't care.
>>585155680wrongwhy else would silver's first words be about whisper if not than because of their mutual love for one another?
>>585155838Because I want absolute control over how it functions without unexpected variables
>>58515556838 years is a long gap, who was amy in between then?
>>585155993I would agree with you if I hadn't opened this box for myself and saw what was within, but when the abyss gazed back at me I blinked.
>>585155838coding is honestly my largest hurdle, nothing about the process of coding seems as enjoyable as the other parts of game devcharacter art, writing, fantasizing about the mechanics, that all sparks joy
Why is it hard for people to think of rouge as the new maria? Having shadow obsess over a dead girl forever is pointless
>>585156231Two whores who died young.
>>585154949What is with all of you tsundere yandere people? Why do you want this? It's like all Spiderfags and Potterfags have been under collective psychopsis for the last few months. Why would you want a girl who stalks, torments, and tries to RAPE YOU? Why would you want a girl who bullies you and thinks she's biologically superior to you? I don't get it. Is regular love really that boring for you?. This feels like a strictly male fantasy where a woman sociopath can be cured with love and sex. That movie is shit by the way. Jean goes full stalker rapist and gets away with it just because muh "bigger person". If someone spends a week trying to make you crack, you should probably put them in jail.
>>585155704Don't talk shit about my chav bird waifu
>>585156424>rouge as the new maria I know you ain't a real dougebag.
>>585155838Because I don' have to. Renp'y script is very easy to use. I have more problems with general Renpy bugs than with anything I scripted/coded....I really need to learn python one of these days.
>>585155838The convenience store is only a mile away. Choose to jog instead of driving. It's better for your work ethic.
>>585155794In the classic games, if you roll and then jump, your movement gets locked. To my knowledge it was removed from the Retro Engine versions used for Origins Plus, but Origins pre-update had it in Sonic 1 and 2. However, in the original Sonic 3 (and versions like Sonic&Knuckles Collection and Jam, which were derived from it), using the Insta Shield cancels the roll lock. This can be used to your advantage whenever you want to take advantage of rolling while still getting to control your jump, like if you want to roll across to gain speed, and then land on a specific spot that comes after like a level object without issue.
>>585154686Every male game character. Search your feelings. You know it's true
>>585154558>you didn't address it because your example implies an identical function. An example I'd use is Insta Shield: it's considered the same ability in Sonic 3 and Advance games, but gameplay-wise, it's barely alike.Its the same outside of not having an oversight that was present in Sonic 3. Wow, completely different.Logic like this is how I know i'm talking to a tranny.
Wat would you do is Sonic the Hedgehog asked for a tail massage?
>>585156457>Is regular love really that boring for you?Why do you expect me to know? I am unloved and unlovable.
Sonic was initially characterized as a determined and focused character but who still displayed cartoony reactions to mistakes or unexpected situations. His seriousness and confidence made him genuinely cool and inspiring
>>585155657>Face ID Okay that's clever
I actually hate the new era and wish we were back at pontaff. I can't stand hearing Sonic talk in that whiny tone. Man up faggot. How did you get MORE vulnerable after all of your adventures?
This is the muscle mass of each character according to Crossworlds.If your character isn't about 10 power, he has noddle arms
>>585156756>Renp'yare you the game jam anon? I still want to play some of the games you worked on
>>585157373I'm genuinely not sure why Amy is somehow the lowest power in the base cast.
>>585157373I have a question for lorefags, Is Knuckles STILL the last echidna in the alternate universes in Prime? How does that even work?
>>585156956Who stung you in the ass, man? The i-frame thing is definitely not an oversight, neither is the hitbox being bigger. They're used differently in these games, if you don't trust me, ask anyone who's experienced with Sonic 3 and they'll tell you how both of these aspects are very useful when playing as Sonic in that game. Might as well say the homing attack is the same between Adventure games and Generations, if you go by this kind of logic. I was still glad to discuss these things, so oh well.
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>>585157373WEAKVER>>585157509Girl. Plus, in terms of role/skill priority, Speed wins out.
>>585157373>Sonic and shadow stats not equalStop doing this.
>>585157583Nobody would argue that the homing attack is nothing like the homing attack and they "arent the same thing" conceptually across games the way you are. They would say they are different versions of the same mechanic implemented differently in ways that are better or worse.Because they arent autistic trannies.
>>585157919Sonic is the protag, Shadow is second fiddle. Cope.
I hope Tailsbro is still around
>>585157919Do you know how many speed characters we have because muh speed in the game? Fuck off
>>585157948I explicitly stated the concepts can be similar or matching, but what I spoke of was the implementation. But if you have a liking towards one game or the other, you'd experience how the mechanic in that game works, what it's useful for, whether you can apply that in various levels or not. Concepts don't matter much when you're actually playing a game, mechanics aren't judged by concepts because they're a gameplay aspect judged by how it works in a given game.
>>585158135You're it.
>>585157646>Girl.Even then, weaker than Cream?
Personal standards for me and me alone but just regarding things:>sonic and shadow should always have exactly equal stats even if Sonic is stated to be the fastest creature in the universe>shadow's species is always listed as "hedgehog" even though he is also a black arms, this is fine>fanon explanations for inconsistencies or a lack of detail in the games are fine but should never be enforced (Mural Theory/ GUN intentionally framed Sonic to cover Shadow up/Silver having specific ancestors from the present)>the tone of the story can be literally anything>It is too obvious whenever a fan work tries to "fix" something from canon and it always takes me out of the story
>>585158504No he's a different guy. I think I made him angry
>>585158135Always
>>585157454No
>>585158565Cream has the Cheese perk.>but hamm-Is a toy.
>>585158604>Shadow shadow shadow shadow
>>585158504Theres atleast 4 regular tails posters here though so how can you be sure
>>585158432The argument happened because it was an extension of claiming Cream's Chao attack os nothing like the Flicky Army of Death.Stfu.You then claimed the Instashield across games are "barely alike" because you can use it to cancel roll lock, as if that isnt an exploit or oversight.Stfu, Creamtranny.
>>585156786The rolling lock exists in the level select menus for Sonic 1 & 2 (along with the air speed cap) but are turned off by default in all modes.
>>585158695>Is a toy.Yes, which is why all the power behind it is actually hers.
>>585158862And we have official confirmation that Cream could use that hammer to greater effect.
>>585158776Shadow is probably the character who gets the most tweaks in fanon
>>585158695>toyThat makes it worse. All thr havor she does with the thing is all on her
>>585158793We need more
Hello!
>>585158607>>585158793Anyone who posts tails is a tailsbro. But I guess there's THE tailsbro around?
>>585158604>Fans fic obvious issue>Sorry that goes against my personal standards Kys
>>585159098Basically there's a specific anon I like to talk to moreOh no this is very off topic isn't it>>585159093Hi!!!>>585159004Cute!
>>585158959What, from Advance 3? The fuck are you talking about?
>>585159121Changing something for an AU is one thing but there's times where it's stuff like Frontiers Tails calling himself inconsistent out loud. There's a way to do that quietly.
Actually guys sorry but we're all the same person. I know it's shocking but you're actually all me.
Reminder that the only thing Japan does not seem to care about is IDW. they like the name Mobius and like western interpretations of the characters.Also if you are an Amy fan you are not cared about in Japan. They would rather make human women OCs for the Sonic to date than use Amy.
>>585159319Cream being stronger than Amy. Unless you want to argue with Sonic Team's golden word.
Moar Tails>>585159449c;
>>585159320Tails wondering if he is a nuisance is something that was going to happen eventually, it has nothing to do with fans
>>585159507That's just not true it's not hard to find Japanese fanart of IDW or Sonamy stuff
>turning Elise into an Animal SHIT>Treating mural theory as canon SHIT>"Mobians" or any name for non human Sonic characters that ties them into one bunchSHIT SHIT SHIT>"Mobian culture" SHIT >"Chaos Energy"SHIT>"Oh my Chaos!" SHIT
>>585159507Don't they also like Surge (and Kit somewhat)?
>>585159739Mobians will be canon
>>585159675That's fine. I meant specifically wording things that state out loud which issue it's fixing. It's hard not to notice. It starts to feel like a fourth wall break and fourth wall breaks should never come across as unintentional
>>585159739>>"Mobians" or any name for non human Sonic characters that ties them into one bunchKeep burying your head into the sand, you can’t pretend they’re all completely different from eachother
>>585159509I want you to tell me what your official confirmation is.
>>585158851>The argument happened because it was an extension of claiming Cream's Chao attack os nothing like the Flicky Army of Death.It's similar conceptually (which I admitted) but nothing alike as a mechanic, because the Super Tails attack is a passive one and the player is mostly unable to control how it works, making it like a buff, while Cheese has a range limit and a delay after usage that punishes you for trying to use it before it's restored, along with being used to cancel fllight.>You then claimed the Instashield across games are "barely alike" because you can use it to cancel roll lock, as if that isnt an exploit or oversight.No, I claimed it was due to the larger hitbox, i-frames granted on usage, and how it ends up being used by players. The roll lock was just something I wanted to mention due to finding it similar in purpose to Cream's cancel, so I thought it'd help explain the purpose of both traits when it comes to how they're used. I am not sure why you're calling me a tranny out of nowhere.>>585158852Understood.
>>585159958They all talk about their feelings in Frontiers so it shouldn't come out as a meta commentary
SILVER IS WEAKER THAN A LITERAL FOX KID HAHAHHSAHAHAHAH aaaaah oh my gooodSilverfags, why? Just why?
>>585160008Sonic X, Archie, and the movies have done unfixable damage to headcanoniggers
Guys those are stats from a racing game
There are humans with powers in Sonic by the way. Stop diminishing this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpTKcv-SmR0
Sonic and Tails!
Blaze is stronger than Silver.Yep, just as Nakamura intended. Mommy dom blaze and sissyver.
Tailstube isn't canon and never will be. It's just IDW fanfiction. You can tell with the Silver episode literally inserting Evan's GOTF headcanons.
>>585158604Enforced headcanon is one of the worst things about the Sonic fandom. Tangle and Whisper being lesbians is one of those, but we're not ready to talk about that.
>>585155680Well i guess they did a bad job at it like everything in IDW
Do you think that speed runs are a good measure of a game's skill ceiling or should we just look at it through a casual player perspective? I saw some non-TAS glitchless time attack runs of Sonic 2 and the amount of stuff you can do in that game is batshit insane
>>585160715Nakamura is a sick freak
>>585160935Fans heascanons is 90% of the time better than what we got, in this franchise and everyone really
Deconstructing the games is tired. Deconstruct the comics. Make Tangle a closeted straight whore.
^-^
https://www.pixiv.net/novel/show.php?id=24422865Here is another Japanese fanfic that pairs all of the major characters up with a human sidekick.
>>585161252Name some headcanons better than the canon
Fails!
\(^-^)/
>>585157373I thought these were stats of the vehicle they use than their literal powers.cream being stronger than rouge or amy is funny though.
>>585161286That's not how you deconstruct something.
Cat mouth Teirusu
>>585161767That's what the comics do to the real characters
>>585161468Shadow eating raw coffee beans instead of drinking
>>585162049Why do you like that one better?
>>585160715https://x.com/Nakamura_ShunR/status/2108699417083773432
>>585161012If you mean glitchless, sure. You can also look to these kinds of runs to learn how to play well, or try to figure it out on your own if you find that more interesting and fun.
Tails is my friend
https://www.pixiv.net/novel/show.php?id=25263692#2Tails comments on how much Sonic and Amy love each other.https://www.pixiv.net/novel/show.php?id=23787124#5Sonic runs and hides away with Tails because Amy is forcing him with marriage. Amy places a tracker on Sonic and disappears for months only reconnecting with Tails to send invite to his wedding. Robotnik complains to Sage that he has to make the congratulatory speech at their wedding.
If the japs love Sonic so much why didn't they buy the games and why didn't they watch Sonic X and why didn't they watch the movie?
>>585162215If Shadow is an alien he should have a few oddities besides being strong in combat
>>585162257Yeah but it's haaard...
>>585162049fuck off
Japanese fan talks about IDW.
>>585147032Oh that I didn't expect lol. I could maybe think on that...? Shadow is far from my attraction range but who knows? Maybe like that Shadow snuggling his face into a random tummy belly?Funny you say that, I got one or two off these. Here's one Shadtor I like most myself. Their only interaction ever on Archie was MYXXL with King Shadow torturing Rotor in a torture dungeon chamber.
https://www.pixiv.net/search?q=%E3%82%B5%E3%83%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%83%BB%E3%82%A8%E3%82%A4%E3%82%B3%E3%83%BC%E3%83%B3&s_mode=tag_tc&type=novel&r=1There are more Japanese fanfics about sally acorn than anyone remotely from IDW. IDW is pretty much completely unknown here.
>>585162889King Shadow was ooc
>>585162970https://www.pixiv.net/novel/show.php?id=16620739 this fic has fiona in it.
>>585162479Well, you can do stage-specific runs, or learn specific parts of stages that interest you that you'd like to get used to enough that you'll be able to do them that way in average playthroughs.
>>585162970Most of these are furry smut fics.
Surprisingly fun fic about Rouge and Amy going shoppinghttps://www.pixiv.net/novel/show.php?id=29296377
The other anon got me curious and I found this.-https://www.pixiv.net/novel/show.php?id=28598339Vol 1>All I need is Surge. No, without her, I wouldn't even exist. >"Sonic... I'll defeat him today!" >I've woken up more than once, yelling this, piercing the silence of the night. Who could stop this strong obsession that I even dream about? I won't let anyone stop me. >Everything about her, from her intense training sessions where she unleashes fierce electric shocks to her innocent enjoyment of meals, is so endearing it drives me crazy. >Just being stroked by her hand makes the world come alive with color. When she compliments me with words like, "See, you can do it," it makes me feel truly alive. I want to be of more, more help to her. I'll do anything for her.Vol.2 >All I need is Surge. In fact, she's an indispensable presence. I've often woken up in the middle of the night shouting, "Sonic, I'm going to beat you today!" Her determination is so strong that it even appears in my dreams, and no one can stop it.>I love everything about her, from the way she trains surrounded by electricity to the way she eats her meals with such gusto. I'm a little surprised at myself for feeling this way, though.>I'm happy when she strokes my head, and my heart is filled with joy when she praises me by saying, "You can do it if you try." >I want to be of more help to her. ...I want to dedicate everything I can to her.-I recognize the person who wrote this.https://x.com/uj7p3https://x.com/cs7ta
>>585163580This is impressive. I really could not find stories about anyone else from IDW.
>>585163580Sounds like slop
Surge and Kit are the reincarnations of Zabuza and Haku
>>585158959But all profiles say Amy uses it second to none.
*bonk*
>>585159507>Also if you are an Amy fan you are not cared about in Japan. Lies. Japanese love Amy
>>585162861Amy and Rouge both write atashi in katakana (アタシ), which is sharper and sassier. Hiragana (あたし) is more plain and soft, so Tangle is coming across as friendly rather than cheeky.
You WILL love Tails
>>585164727Meanwhile the pleb
>>585159507Look at this SatAMfaggot/Archiefaggot trying to larp as some Jap connoisseur to push his westshit just because like 4 or 5 Japanese people know what Sally and Mobius is. Kys.
>>585164927Not him but that's like half the fandom in Japan, sadly
>>585164424lol
Having actually seen satam is a strange experience because I get to watch other satam fans try and japanwash it to make it palatable to other fans.
>>585165236I remember that anon talking about that Archie Sonic Online restored pages for the Reboot and how fans of Archie seem to wanting approval from game fans because they keep calling the comics OOC and nothing like Sonic, so they try to make things very game-like to appease them.
>>585164927I am not an Archie fan. I was surprised to see Mobius referenced in japanese fics and went looking
similar conceptually (which I admitted) but nothing alike as a mechanic, because the Super Tails attack is a passive one and the player is mostly unable to control how it works, making it like a buff, Fine>while Cheese has a range limit and a delay after usage that punishes you for trying to use it before it's restored, along with being used to cancel fllight.See now youre doing too much.>No, I claimed it was due to the larger hitboxLiterally worse.
>>585165535pouring chocolate over my mcnuggets so they taste better to someone who hates mcdonalds
>>585165597wait till you know some japanese fan made an archie sonic game. but it's lost media now sadly
pouring chocola over my nuts
>>585160787Random, that wasn't from GOTF. You made shit up
>>585164669I know Rouge's use is trying to get across that she's an insolent thief with an attitude but what is Amy's use trying to get across?
What if Sonic met the Joker?
Is Kit going to be on Sonic Rumble now?
>>585165825Amy is a city girl with attitude. She's not a generic polite girl.
>>585165829How, anon. The question is How would Sonic meet the joker.
>>585165771Do you guys actually think you'll convince randomfox of anything ever
>>585165878yes
>>585158604I was gonna say "why can't more people be this based" until I saw...>GUN intentionally framed Sonic to cover Shadow up/This is just incorrect and goes against what's in the material. Its trying to "fix" something that isn't an inconsistency or problem.
>>585165983That post argues against it, though.
>>585159121No, that shit gets really egregious in fanfiction. The characters might as well question loops in traffic
>>585165825Amy occasionally uses あたし but it's mostly アタシ. Rouge, by contrast, uses アタシ 99% of the time.
DID ESPIO LOOK AT ELIAS’ BALLS?!
>>585166362NO DON'T GIVE HIM ANY IDEAS!
>>585162451This is so dumb. Shadow was made in a lab. He isn't actually from another planet.
>>585165982Well damn.
>>585165914>>585166319So I guess Amy's katakana usage is trying to convey that she's spirited, cheerful, and energetic but when she uses hiragana, it's meant to convey that she's sweet, compassionate, and girly. Is there anything I missed?
ORE HEIKA-SAMA WA
>>585165983He's saying it's dumb that people force each other to treat that as canon
>>585165825Amy is supposed to be a spunky city gal with a tude. So she speaks more sharp and contemporary
Blaze being from the future and going to the Rush universe after 06 is also stupid
have some chest hair
>>585165976Ive done it before
Imagine cumming all over Amy’s bare back
>>585159925Just call the region they come from "Mobian Islands" or something
>>585166258The post says its okay as long as it isn't enforced.I'm saying that one in particular isn't even fine even if not enforced since its just wrong.
>>585167240Imagine if Vegeta and Chichi was a popular ship
>>585166862See>>585167459
>>585167459Based. All "gamefixing" headcanons are bad
>>585167464amy's not a stay at home wife>Sonic team in 2001-2007: let's give everyone chest hair and stripes>Shadow>Jet>storm>neo metal
>>585167671>silverbut he only got chest hair
>>585167862Hyoumaru's normal art looks a lot better than his porn
>>585167464Chichi wasn't the first girl of the series, like Amy was.
>>585168106>the first girl of the seriesdisputable
>>585168106Chichi at least commented on the idea of dating Vegeta, Amy would never do that for Shadow.
>>585168106>First girl of the series1. Who cares2. She effectively wasn't anyway since no one played CD
>>585168179fart
>>585168374fag
>>585165639>See now youre doing too much.No, it's the main element I noticed when trying to use Cheese, being that I couldn't spam it so I had to learn how to time it just as it reactivated in order to not be overwhelmed by bosses. Cancelling flight is something I learned when looking at what others said about how to play Advance 2 and saw how useful it is to play well as Cream.>Literally worse.It's not the only difference between the two, but yes.
Why are you guys crying about OOC in fanon again? Fuck your standards.
>>585168208Amy effectively *was* the first girl since more people played SA1. Amy is a Modern character.>>585168179Was Bulma marrying Vegeta expected, let alone IC? On one hand, Bulma did like villains, on the other hand most of those guys were like the opposite of what Vegeta is (tall and conventionally attractive).
>>585168767>Was Bulma marrying Vegeta expected, let alone ICYes. Bulmageta always made sense
Why the fuck is Molly a human?
>>585168889>bulmageta always made senseNow try telling people the same about shadouge and they flip a table
>>585168482>its barely the same!!!! Because they hitbox was nerfed!Stfu
>>585169325Why the fuck are you a human?
>>585169325mobian x mobian romance is off brand
>>585169330Shadouge doesn't make sense. Shadow does not love Rouge. Shadow loves Maria. Shadow is not supposed to be Vegeta.
>>585169330I don't have a strong argument here but I don't like DBZ parallel arguments. Imagine if, theoretically, the Sonic franchise added a character who is literally just an expy of Bulma. That wouldn't automatically make her Shadow's future wife.
>>585168889>Bulmageta always made senseSometimes I feel bad for Yamcha, but then I remember that he canonically has the most independently successful post-martial arts career out of Team Dragon, and I realize it's not all bad.Who is the Yamcha of Sonic?
>>585169330https://www.gamesradar.com/games/sonic-the-hedgehog/shadow-the-hedgehog-is-not-vegeta-in-any-way-and-is-not-friends-with-sonic-his-creator-says/Iizuka:>“So yes, there are some ways that people interpret Shadow that are not how the team is intending,” Iizuka begins. I think the biggest one, if you look online, everyone’s like, ‘Oh, this is Dragon Ball Vegeta.'”>“Vegeta really starts out as an enemy and then later becomes a friend and an ally and kind of, like, fights for justice and trying to save the world and whatnot. Shadow is not like that. I never want him to be like that. Shadow is doing his own thing, he’s not friends with Sonic, and he’s gonna go off and, you know, do whatever he feels is correct or right, or what he needs to do. And it’s not like, ‘Well, okay, we used to be enemies, but we’re friends now. Let’s save the world.’ He’s not that kind of character, and I never want him to be that kind of character.>“So when people are always online saying, ‘Oh, it’s Vegeta, it’s Vegeta,’ it’s like, it’s not Vegeta,” he laughs.
>>585169330vegeta is an adult man, shadow is 15
>>585168174Dappleable
>>585168889It's very obvious it wasn't planned because Toriyama famously made shit up as he went along, but also because Bulma already had a thing with Yamcha prior. But since he created Trunks and made him from the future, he had to make someone bang Vegeta and Bulma is the only other girl left.That said, I do see her as the type to get with him. She is kind of shallow like that.
>>585169330The character who is the most like Bulma is Wave, not Rouge
>>585169478Sonic Channel deconfirms that.
>>585169975No it doesn't lol
>>585169648>Who is the Yamcha of SonicMetaloser
>>585170019Krack...
>>585169975where? nowhere?
>>585169975No it doesn't?
>>585170061NTA At least Metal keeps going on with his original directive, Yamcha retired from fighting
Which way western man?
I thought she said it was okay to ship anything as long as it's in character
>>585170257You're right. Metal's fate is worse than Yamchas
>>585170324multiple people think you are delulu
>>585170151>>585170432Why are you spic, ESL, and a simp for a fujo?
Do you have to get mad about this every single day? I'm not going to tell you what to do with your time but I have to ask if you're doing what makes you happy.
Dougebag brought it on himself with his delusions and shitting on Knuxouge.
Shadow is not Vegeta.Iizuka will say "Shadow the Hedgehog is not like Vegeta", and you'll read this, and then you'll go "Shadow the Hedgehog is Vegeta". You're wrong.
Anything to know about Rumble as I wait for it to finish downloading?
>>585170671I find it interesting you sperg out about people being negative of you, but never any of the "simps" you seem to have, where they could be also trolls falseflagging or just actually simping you (lmao).
>>585170297yes
>>585170297This may be a little fucked up to say but… I want to have sex with humans..
>>585170671And he's going to read this and get madder
>>585170671You're a worthless fucking bitch and no one here wants you around. You just force people to submit to YOUR shitty headcanons.
>>585170874Not everyone who disagrees with you is a simp for your boogeywoman.
>>585170324Ship what you want, but don't try to claim things are canon and true when they just aren't. If you started spreading that Shadow and Maria were literally married in canon I'd tell you no too. >>585170962KEK you called it. >>585170965
>>585170297I remember this artist and his style. He made a pic of Amy fucking Princess Peach. Hot.
>>585170356Yeah, Yamcha started as a bandit and went legit. Became a baseball star apparently?
Shadow and Amy are dating in canon
Need more Fiona pics
>>585171103Yup. Even has fangirls.
>>585171173Fiona walked around naked for a lot of the early 2000s issues, you can see that her belly is tan. But when she wears the black outfit, her belly is red. Then when she's naked again in the Rouge flashback, her belly is tan.
>>585164669Still interesting that Mephiles uses "boku" despite being a time god.
>>585170981It's more than probable it's simps because no point in history before did we had a namefag which you could not raise a single finger or there'd be a surplus of defense force dogging you on, like the "natural" posts all posting very close within timeframe >>585170019 >>585170151 >>585170189 >>585170962 >>585171015
>>585169648>he canonically has the most independently successful post-martial arts career out of Team DragonHe does? I thought he was miserable.
>>585171313You push annoy8ng crap like forced DBZ paralelisms and use the same gif of Rouge flying 50 feet away from Shadow and the Amy Rose like from Gens out of context and and twist shit constantly while insisting "Knuxouge was never a thing" and "Rouge's theme is about Shadow".Like no lol fuck youI hate this shit with anything.
>>585171313Are you saying that people like her too much or that she's faking posts?
Shadow is not Vegeta. He isn't Spawn or Shion either. The idea that sanding a character down into a carbon copy of another is somehow interesting or compelling is absurd. It's just an excuse to strip away the specific traits genuine fans actually know, value, and care about, so you never have to put in any real effort understanding someone who doesn't slot neatly into the same five tired tropes.>>58517087490% of the people you call simps are just people who agree, and you wouldn't be saying this if I were male.
>>585171313Damn you got one of them MALDING HARD on you kek proving their point
>>585171541If you think of Yamcha from the perspective of a DBZ civilian he's practically a superhero. If you think of him compared to the main characters he's a joke
>>585171737I mean, I remember Taopaipai killing a very tough bad guy with his tongue, and Taopaipai get fucking shrekt just before the fight between Goku and Piccolo that ends Dragonball and starts Dragonball Z with Raditz and Gohan.So yeah, Yamcha is still very strong, but I thought the manga forgot that. I'm glad he got a happy life.
>>585171173
I don’t care about what an unemployed dogfucker says
>>585171553Either is possible, but I also heard from here she has Discord servers with a channel in it meant to call people to "raid" a tweet on xitter and have people run down on OP. Chances are she's doing here too.
>>585171590"Tired"Calling tropes tired reveals bias
I tried to talk about shipping on the digimon general just to see what happened and they unanimously got mad and told me to go away.
>>585171173Do you accept Auto Fionas?
>>585171290Only other normie badass I know of in DB is Mr Satan Hercule and he was boastful with title of "The strongest man on earth". Ant while legit about his physical achievements was more comfortable hiding behind rocks when the Sayans started fighting.Would that make him Tails or Antoine?
>>585172074Based Digibros
>>585172074Do you talk about 9/11 to new yorkers?????
>>585171946Bias for what? Bias for the original ideas Sonic Team came up with? Yes, I like those, I am biased towards Sonic characters over non-Sonic characters.
Humphrey's Shadow sounds like he uses boku.Griffith's Shadow sounds like he uses watashi or maybe jibun.Thornton's Shadow sounds like he uses ore.
>>585170671Iizuka was the first one to say he was Vegeta in his concept art
>>585172074What did you say?I swear if it was about Taisora or Taikari YET AGAIN...
>>585172182Mr. Satan redeems Buu and uses his fame to help save the world by getting everyone to give Goku energy for the Spirit Bomb.So even he is a goat.
>>585172259You're not being even handed towards non Sonic characters
>>585172327Isn't that just Infinite?
>>585170869Kit should cost like 300~ RSRs, which should be farmable in like less than two weeks, I only play 30ish minutes a day.
>>585171153No, Katie
>>585171924I do.... enough to give me some chuckle as I watch her get her bipolar episodes here. Women moments are funny.
>>585172074you should've talked about that angela anaconda instead
>>585172327He's based off Vegeta. That's the difference.
>>585172645Okay, I'm almost done with Wizardry 5 so I'll finish that first. Thanks.
>>585172295That's why I wish Shadow had a voice actor who could mimicDavid Humphrey and Jason Griffith's whispery Shadow voices
>>585172346So that would make him...Amy?
>>585170297
>>585172327Shadow having vegeta as a keyword doesn't mean he is literally vegeta.
>>585172823>>585173089Says nowhere he's based off.
You can be a fan and dislike the source material. You can be a fan because you find something interesting and engaging, not because you agree with the creators on everything.
>>585172928He's more Eggman really. And Videl is Sage.
>a whole book just to shut down your shipping chances
>>585173101
>>585173132Shadow never acted completely like Vegeta. We would have a completely different story and character if he did.
>>585173228Penders is a bad bad guy but Hope didn't have chances either way
>>585173212A good guy Eggman? Well he is hammy enough if my memory serves from the few episodes I watched ages ago
>>585173132You've never worked on art projects or examined art docs before and it shows.Also shipping is mental illness.Shadow having Vegeta as a keyword is obviously in relation to him being a rival hedgehog character to Sonic.
>>585173298She had no hope?
>>585172327A character being inspired by another does not prevent them from deviating significantly once finalized. Also, Shadow's concept, Terios, was unironically evil. They talked about it on the JP 35th anniversary stream, but it never reached the English fandom. Hoshino: "In how the design changed, at first, as Ms. Yuki said earlier, a bad guy. At first he was a really bad guy. He was a thoroughly bad terrorist. Well, um... is it all right to say? He would stab a bit, do that and that, and break through a retina scan. He was that kind of guy. So up to the first four [designs], a really bad guy. The so-called 'Terios'... the one in the middle facing front, I personally called it 'Terios the Prisoner'. With a prisoner image."
>>585173346He wasn't really a good guy at first. He stole credit for beating Cell and was trying to kill Buu at first and ended up bonding with him in the process.
>>585173372NTA, but shipping isn't bad unless it's plausible due to what happens in the canon. Also, you saying that shipping is mental illness doesn't make you more mature and intelligent than others
>>585173372His quills also always stick up and remain unchanged when he does Super, like Vegeta's hair when he goes Super Saiyan, which could be a small reference.
Krack and simps melty hours
>>585173432NTA now I'm kind of interested seeing some irredeemably evil Terios in some alternate Sonic Adventure 2 dark story.
>>585173372>Shadow having Vegeta as a keyword is obviously in relation to him being a rival hedgehog character to Sonic.Or being a terrorist. >>585173432
>>585173627I think it is mostly just her with a pass pretending to be many anons.
>>585173568 (me)*isn't bad if it's plausible
I am the worst shipper no one else
>>585173781Or people just think you're being retarded
>>585173372Then just say “rival” don’t say “Vegeta”. He has Vegeta-like qualities, no one can deny that not even Iizuka
>>585173432That's interesting. So Terios was originally supposed to be a bad/evil Sonic lookalike before they finalized him to be more tragic.
>>585173856Nope because it will happen all at once for like 20 minutes then suddenly disappear. That is not real drama that is manufactured discussion.
boo get scared
>>585173432Hey I watched that too!Yuki talks about Amy and how she is the kind of gyaru that would be nice to otaku.
>>585173856>>585171313
>>585173946This except it's my haterbase. They all conveniently disappear during Euro hours.
>>585173206Gotta say, I love how evil Eggman is in IDW.
>>585173946That's because people are tired of retards like you yelling about everyone being a namefag and as soon as they're done calling you a retard they move on.
Shadowfags don’t like Shadow
>>585174073You admitting you are here only furthers my belief that it is you with a pass.
>>585174032That's cute stuff, huh? I transcribed part of it. I appreciate them talking about concepts and characterization, I wish they did it more often.
>>585173902
>>585173568Mental illness
How is this a real conversation every fucking day. Boo hoo someone said the games are the source material.
>>585174073I see them here at all times even when it is unnecessary to bring you up. While your defense force only seems to exist when you are in the thread.
>>585173206>...the data you exchanged...Lewd.
>>585174104No, not at all what happens. People here have gotten a pattern off Krack and can tell when it's her posting. I could tell it's her with >>585166319.
>>585174150>>585174268Wasn't this you, Slashy? https://arch.b4k.dev/_/search/boards/vg.meta/text/krack%20trans/deleted/deleted/
>>585174175Eggman would agree with my politics
>>585174175They're so assmad about Pollock.
>>585174320What the fuck does that has to do with anything?
>>585174309You can't tell when it's me because around 80% of the "Krack" accusations are wrong. Why can't you address my real points? You always fall back to "you're doing [thing I can't prove]". You can't address them, can you?
>>585174256I don't even know if that's accurate. There are certain opinions that people don't care about unless they think it's her. It's a dedicated hatred at this point.
>>585173892The main difference Vegeta had in relation to other rivals Goku had was being the same species as Goku and being above him only for Goku to surpass him and admit he was the goat.Also the whole thing with being a supersaiyan.This is reflected in Shadow and Sonic's dynamic in SA2 with the whole Ultimate Lifeform thing.But that's it.
>>585174309Oh no, a normal post. Faggot.
No you don't get it Krack agrees with me that your ship is noncanon that means I'm right
>>585173940He was always gonna be tragic from what i gather, but he was gonna be more overtly evil.
>>585174610I'll do you one better buddy. I am wrong and everyone should never agree with me!
>>585174508>You can't tell when it's me because around 80% of the "Krack" accusations are wrong.Yeah, anyone can just lie like that.>Why can't you address my real points? You always fall back to "you're doing [thing I can't prove]". You can't address them, can you?Not even the same anon. My point here is you're such a retarded woman and you should go back to Twitter.
>>585174510It's because I'm female. I tried testing other possibilities because I don't like people who cry about sexism where there is none, but that really is the only reason. Jadii (past namefag) got similar treatment. People don't do this to Sparky. Randomfox is far more aggressive than I am, and even he gets less of this.They despise women who try to engage in debate. Above anon just proved it right too.
>>585174927>People don't do this to Sparky. Randomfox is far more aggressive than I am, and even he gets less of this.They get plenty they just stay on topic unlike you and do not screech as hard when criticized.
Metal's asshole
>>585174996You have a habit of only doing this to people you think are women, Slashy.
>>585174508They call me you all the time and it's literally just because I type in complete, grammatically correct sentences. I don't even talk about the same things you do.
>People don't do this to Sparky. Randomfox is far more aggressive than I am, and even he gets less of this.You know very well deep in your heart this is a huge lie. I can easily pull off either names from archive and show you the amount of times have gotten tired and called out both always, Sparky especially in the past.The fucking nerve of this bitch.
>>585174927I wouldn't be surprised considering who gets the maddest
>>585175215Please pull up the hundreds of posts about raping and murdering Sparky, I'd love to see them.
>>585174539I feel like Shadow's continued use of the title "ultimate life form" has some similarities with Vegeta's "prince of all saiyans" thing.Of course, maybe I'm remembering both of them using those titles more than they actually do.
>>585174927>It's because I'm female.Uh oh i thought you were against le feminazi? whatever happened now? :(
>>585175182Stop assuming I am your boogieman or whatever because I am not. I am an anon who is annoyed that every time you show up the thread has to be about YOUR grievances which are 90% of the time unrelated to Sonic.This is all your fault.
>>585175416slashypost
>>585174214Yes, it was fun finding out stuff translating the captions.
>>585175335They likely are and they're both true statements in their respective universes.
>>585175416Schizoing out over someone every day and then blaming them for your schizofest is your fault actually
>>585175182I too can self-reply.
>>585174478Cringe
>>585175182>They call me you all the timeSame but I legitimately couldn't tell you how this happens
Krack would be just another anon if she stuck to Sonic. Nobody hates women, we hate someone who turns every thread into her Twitter feed. Talk games or lurk.
I literally get accused of being Krack regularly, its insane.Mental illness is shipping
if SA2 got remade, Shadow would not acknowledge sonic as the ultimate life form. this got retconned. look at iizuka's reaction when he was asked this 2 years ago
>>585175182The first thirty seven times I was called Krack I was like who is that and then he's all fuck you Krack and I'm like please stop and he's like no you have to answer for your krimes
>>585175416Tbf if it were me in the situation i think i'd have reacted worse by now, y'all are really grating some days
>>585175776>Nobody hates women,Foxcel does.
>>585175839>krimesKEK
>>585174927Sparky used to buy people just get tired of dealing with him.
>>585175471>>585174320Please don't make me fucking defend Sla-fucking-shy. Please don't be this obsessed.
https://strawpoll.com/poy9kM6aJgJhttps://strawpoll.com/poy9kM6aJgJhttps://strawpoll.com/poy9kM6aJgJ
>>585174927>SparkyWhy're you bringing my name up, what's going on, what the heck is going on now that's got people talking about me?
>>585176035I was shilling Shadow and got called krack. i was new here at the time and had no idea what a krack is.
If you or a loved one have been accused of being Krack, you may be eligible for compensation
>>585176054>>585174927Oh I misread the post, I didn't see the word "to", my mistake. >>585175972I've never "bought" anyone, nor do I have the money for that kind of thing in the first place. You must be confusing me for someone else.
>>585176054Sparky Kana is Amy and Ruby is Cream.Also the Japanese subscribe to archieshit we learned this through fanfics.
>>585175329>raping and murdering1. This is you problem, taking everything on face value on 4chan, aka the mongolian shitstirring site meant often for saying the most violent shit like it's the culture2. Sparky gets as much as this shit with people joking he's a school shooter, has incestual sex with his sister and asks for nudes3. moving goal postsYou're pathetic.
>>585176231>Kana is Amy and Ruby is Cream.Who cares, why bring this up again?
>>585175541For Vegeta, yes, since it's an official royal title for an established society. For Shadow, it's debatable because it was just something his (insane) creator called him.Likewise, for Vegeta the point of the title is that it doesn't matter because Saiyans, as a species, are basically extinct and their society is gone. The same could be said of Shadow too, since, despite his title, he usually can't keep up with Sonic.
>>585176223>I've never "bought" anyoneNTA I think that was a typo and that person meant to type "but"
To be fair, Randomfox is notorious outside of this general
Getting called Krack by some Twitter schizo feels like a rite of passage honestly.
>>585176384I care. I care you besmirch the great series known as Oshi No Ko! It makes me not trust your sonic takes!You probably also make the wrong equivalents for TWEWY! Shiki and Rhyme are both Cream equivalents.
>>585176223It was a typo. It was "but" not "buy".
>>585176356Yeah, so you're one of the guys accusing people of being me. I can tell because you have a quirk in your typing style, not gonna say what it is. You're not getting rid of me, I'm going to continue talking about Sonic here, and it'd be better for you and everyone else if you accepted that anyone can post here. Even people you don't like. Filter the topics you think only I talk about and discuss what you like.
>please stop calling me [boogeyman]>btw you're [boogeyman]Krack, fuck off.
