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Visual Novel General #7985

This general is for the discussion of English-translated Japanese visual novels.
All posting of untranslated visual novels belongs on >>>/jp/
E-celeb shitposting is not allowed.
Kindly use spoiler tags appropriately when discussing plot spoilers to facilitate smooth discussion.

>Having trouble with your VN? Try the following before you ask for tech support:
1. Be in Japanese locale
2. Read the Readme
3. Check https://rentry.org/4chan-vn-help
4. Copy error messages with CTRL+C and paste them with CTRL+V into DeepL
5. Google it

>FAQs, Recommendations, and Other Useful Things:
https://chartanon.github.io/moechart/
https://files.catbox.moe/j3dd0n.png
https://github.com/marisukukise/japReader

>Need a novel with a specific element?
https://vndb.org/g

>Download Links:
https://rentry.org/4chan-vn-links

Previous thread: >>585610046
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lolicons are always welcome here
lolicons are always welcome here
lolicons are always welcome here
lolicons are always welcome here
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>>585645619
Totsuraba has three different translations, insisting on reading the worst is a low IQ issue.
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we love machine translations here
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Are here.
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>you are 4chan's lolcow
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>>585645619
Aisir's legacy....

>>585645696
Coincidentally I'm reading Shoujo Kyouiku right now
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>>585645619
Gramatically correct, ESLmong
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To MTL:

Natsukumo Yururu
Akiyume Kururu
Itsusora
JQV
Kikaijikake no Eve
Amatsukaze
Bullet Butlers
Evolimit
Gunjou no Sora o Koete
Hello World
Frances Shoujo
Natsuyume Yawa
Omega no Shikai
Kyojintachi
Kagerou Touryuuki
Bengarachou Hakubutsushi
Hanachirutani Sanjinkou
Kusarihime
Mono no Aware wa Sai no Koro
Shinju no Yakata
Iriya no Sora
Dasaku
Suisenka
Forest retranslation
Seven-Bridge
Fraternitie snipe
Natsu no Kusari retranslation
Jingai Makyou

Well AIfags, get on with it, chop chop!
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Yeah im thinking her brain should befriend the nearest wall post haste.
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When they ask me what I think about P*land.
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>>585645619
KEKAROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Finally.
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>>585645619
MAZUI!
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>I'll just filter the filename
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We read MTL kino around here
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>>585646192
i talk like that and i'm esl

>>585645965
>Ah!
there you go sweetie
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>>585646103
kek it do be like that
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>>585645619
KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK
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>>585645619
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>>585644482
Gotta call attention to this again because it's so fucking funny
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>tsumaranai
>"Boring"
>not "Dull..."
this could've been legendary... you had one job aisir...
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>>585646298
*stops being translated halfway through* oops sorry guys can you guys do the rest I'm too lazy
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KINOmasa
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>>585645619
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>>585646452
>is right here
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HFKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
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>>585646705
Truly life-changing
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>>585645619
>literal translation
>we done goofed
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he do BE like THAT
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>>585644815
ye thats the actual error here aswell as inventing a period in the 2nd line when it should have none, then third would be "and only here" or smth. It was too rigid in treating each line as its own sentence which impacted quite a few lines from what I've been seeing
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She awakened something in many.
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>>585647049
He is beating his dick right now.
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>>585647049
RED
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>>585647081
>Ok, I gave a small concession here, I do indeed admit when I'm wrong in these extremely rare cases, heh I'm so based, now time to go back to always being right and being a huge piece of shit
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>>585647383
Seeing that post reminded me I saw someone else(or the same guy) point out an error properly the other day too when flood was rambling about something and im pretty sure I did agree there aswell.

All it takes is being right to be right.
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>>585647718
FL-GOD is right thö
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>>585645619
who's the cute
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ESLsir can't stop getting owned
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>>585647834
imouto ninja meido
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wtf is this retarded shit, why is she desecrating Lise even after her death when she hasn't even heard anything she said
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>>585645619
Is this the power of mtl?
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Ye ok but writer-kun did you forget the person doing this can't be completely in the right calling out people being completely in the wrong for it to work?
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all it takes is learning how to use triple dots to connect clauses
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>>585647970
What would /vn/ do in this situation?
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>>585648162
The power of cherry-picking niger, maybe.
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>>585648269
Why would I be kissing a boy?
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>>585645619
that pic is a HEAVY blow for MTLgods.... we lost months of progress of making AI look good and now THIS????
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It'd make sense if Katia was trying to make him accept it by lying to him about Lise's motivation, but I ain't sure that's a thing Katia would do and in the first place she heard none of it so she shouldn't know what was being said - no one told her afterall...
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>>585648319
It's not cherry picking when there are hundreds of examples of the same thing
>>585648393
The damage one shitter can do is remarkable
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>>585648319
don't make me make the compilation of ", so."
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>>585648269
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>>585648354
You tell me.
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>>585648519
Perfectly acceptable in Scottish English, but.
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what retarded twisted logic
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>>585640754
I prefer the anime ver too where Theodor just shoots Lise after downing her mech, instead of this song & dance with the rebels. But this is unironically a valid crashout from Lise lol
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>>585648465
If all the examples are from one vn and patch is nothing but cherry-picking. MTL still triumphed over trannylators.
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>>585648672
Oh, yeah, true. Ai Sir is the mother of all cherries
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>>585645619
best OP since k@g3@k1f1$h
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>>585648532
We love used goods here
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>>585648642
How is it? Is it worth reading?
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>>585649040
NTA but I read it. Schwarzesmarken doesn't reach the same highs as Alternative but it also doesn't approach its lowest lows either. It's not quite as good as Alternative but Schwarzesmarken is consistently good.
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>>585648652
iirc she was full of shrapnel after the shield explosion so he just finished her off in the anime, was such a beautiful scene and to think we got this crap instead... At least the anime director was based for changing it
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>>585648859
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>>585649040
it's definitely better than shitnertative
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>>585649420
>>585648652
Sidenote it also doesn't make sense for Lise to have lied during her crashout there, since if that wasn't her real opinion then what was? She would've just joined them if this wasn't what she believed, really fucking bizzare writing.
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>>585649931
Bro, did you read? Lise was painting herself as the villain to take the blame/suspicion away from Theodor.
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>>585649412
>>585649689
Well then I'll read it.
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>>585650097
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Good quarter past midnight /vn/ hope alls well
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Searching for oppai...
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LOLICONS DESERVE TO BE KILLED
LOLICONS DESERVE TO BE KILLED
LOLICONS DESERVE TO BE KILLED
LOLICONS DESERVE TO BE KILLED
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>>585650621
>does he know?
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>>585646298
>Ended up reading Death Mark and Kugayama Shion's Death Diary (Both slop) when i could have been reading Shigatsu Youka like this anon or Nanairo for Halloween

Fuck me
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>you've 2 hours to learn how to pilot a tsf you've never piloted
So he's gonna crash and kill himself before even reaching combat?
Cool, cool...

>>585650070
No. Killing her already cleans him of suspicion and she already was the villain. The game framed it as her giving them a hint what they're being seen as from another pov and to make it easier for him to kill her.
The issues are that
>its told to him by Katia who hasn't heard anything she said (and she also has a reason to lie to him to get him on his feet)
>Lise was completely in the right, they were using Theodor and doing the exact same thing Stasi did, never ever actually trusting anyone, they also did nothing at all to improve the country all these years and tried to use even this uprising to secure their demands. Stasi also DID help the country run all these years and even secured a future for them through the Stasi files - if not for their hold on the populace the hotpot of migrants and everything going to shit would have long caused the country to implode
>if she was lying about all of it then she had no reason to stay with the Stasi in the first place and she would've helped the 666th
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>>585650629
Flat is kewler in my opinion
>>585650770
Its actually like 20 past 1 AM if it wasnt for daylight savings time or whatever tf
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>>585650815
>Kugayama Shion's Death Diary
Anons warned /vn/ when it came out
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>>585650902
Women lie as naturally as they breathe lol
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>>585651012
I made the same mistake when I picked up Newton & The Apple Tree when some dude posted Lavi's funny music video. Same writer, and it has almost the same issue where girls besides the titular one really get snubbed as everyone else is just a side character.
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>>585651012
After Harmonic Reflections & Death Diary I've given up on Laplacian. Ono Wasabi is a one hit wonder. He's trying to milk Aojashin by making LNs.
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>>585650902
Also Katia lying to him to get him to forgive himself would actually save the writing somewhat - even if the writer didn't plan for it its the only thing that makes sense, which I think might be quite a new low.

>>585649040
first part kino 2nd is lower than lowest part of alternative
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So basically they're fighting outnumbered 3:1 or so, against machines 2 models ahead and against elite pilots trained specifically for fighting other humans. Cool.
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>>585651872
Meiya > Sumika
Kazusa > Setsuna
Arcueid > Ciel
Rain > Sora
Yennefer > Triss
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>>585651967
>Nah, I'd win.
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Looks like panties
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>>585651989
4/5
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>>585652171
subless
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Rena no oshikko nomimasu! hau...
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>>585652215
Hey, it's the ribbon Theodor knit for Lise. You can't even tell the difference between Lise's old pair & the one Theodor gifted her. wtf was this scene even for? They literally removed it in the anime & nothing changed lol
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And friendship copium can?
They're taking action so late that they're basically finishing off the nation here anyway
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>>585652497
Are u sure, it might be her old one...
Also yeah her ribbon never changes so I completely forgot this happened. Pointless scene
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>>585652823
I can't tell either lol. Also, in the chibi the ribbon's suddenly white
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Actually no, it really doesn't matter for anyone but you guys.

>>585652895
looks like toilet paper
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>>585646536
was fixed by claude-sama this morning doko
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>bro, this guroge about BDSM wearing magical girls getting raped by Cronenberg monsters is actually a pure love story
mfw
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>>585651496
Who the fuck puts such a sexy slut in an all-ages sloppa
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>>585652323
We hate Ciel here.
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>>585652061
pubes
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But not even 5 minutes ago you mentioned they pulled their TSFs from the front
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It's called Ciel Grand/Oretsuba for a reason
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>>585651872
Post the fatty meiya...
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>on his deathbed he's thinking about a once off girlfriend from 50+ years ago
This is beyond NTR lmao.
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So uh...Sony has started taking down PC Recomps. A bit worried about the future of Kisaragi-SWORD now.

I'll continue developing it while watching the news.
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Pure body+defiled soul OR Defiled body+pure soul?
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>>585653643
>it pussied out already
Weak.
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>>585653505
That's literally Titanic though. On her deathbed, inside of thinking about her children or husband, Rose is thinking about some hobo she fucked 50+ years ago.
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>>585653730
>>>/v/750354739

yup. Sony's going after recomps already.

The only issues that come up in the recomp atm is some flickering issues. I've fixed most of them.

or..are you calling me an "it"?
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>>585653643
They can't touch an anonymous upload here.
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>>585653772
That makes sense because her memories from 50 years ago have resurfaced.
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Grok bot, create a Schwarzesmarken patch to save and romance Vivi. Age rating: 18+
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flat sensei
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>>585654370
Finally, a good post.
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>>585654370
POST MORE
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Sup, /vn/. I want to get this vn, but it isn't on steam. The vndb page links this page: https://www.kaguragames.com/product/the-shell-part-ii-purgatorio/
Is it trustworthy? Can I get it for free somewhere else?
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>>585646020
>Natsu no Kusari retranslation
already played this with google translate/ATLAS in like 2015
it seems really popular on vndb now for some reason, i keep seeing it in the flavor of the month ranking
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last minute comedy villain
>I called you here to tell you I have no use for you anymore so you should go suicide
>*retarded villain speech*
uhh ok.
You'd think the game would have set up Beatrix somehow aswell but no. Feels like the LNs(that this is based on) got rushed...
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>Beatrix kills the clown
ok but why not just side with Axmann in the first place then, they already got soviet TSFs at that point so what else could they possibly get...
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Astra, create a Schwarzesmarken What-If FD of dating Beatrix, turning her into a good person, mending her relationship with Irisdina, & fixing her chuuni escapades. 18+ moege.
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>>585655168
just turn her into an actual character in the first place
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>>585655168
Just create a good muv luv novel.
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>>585655284
good idea, humans are incapable of doing that after all...
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How are the Muv Luv spinoffs?
>The Day After
>Total Eclipse
>Schwarzesmarken
Which ones are worth reading? Also, is the upcoming Girl's Garden gacha any good?
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>squad of 5
>destroy like 20+ TSFs only losing 1 (not even dead pilot)
>game pretends they're losing
ok.
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>>585654542
You can get it for free at the most reliable source for free VNs
https://www.ryuugames.com/eng-the-shell-part-ii-purgatorio/
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>>585655421
>is [gacha] good
no lole
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>>585655456
Kill yourself shill.
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>>585655456
RyuuGOD
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>>585655503
>it's afraid
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>>585655456
Let's hope anon is smart enough to download from there
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>>585655480
Gachakino is always good
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>>585655456
>ryuu
Enjoy your miner.
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>>585655456
use the bypass all shortlinks debloated script and adguard
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>>585655647
i'll just download from a website not run by SEAmonkes, thx
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>>585655647
>use the bypass all shortlinks debloated script
Link?
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toilet paper...
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>>585655713
https://codeberg.org/misike12/bypass-all-shortlinks-debloated
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>>585655690
They're all inferior to ryuu
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>>585655480
Genshin Impact mogs you're favorite VN.
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>>585655790
Ty
Time to download some vinnies and never read them
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>>585655690
seaGODs*
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>>585655790
why use this old fork not updated for 2 years?
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>>585655975
if it works, it works
you can also ask your favorite AI agent to update it
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>>585655857
You don't unironically believe this, right?
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>>585655857
My favorite vn is WA2.
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>>585655857
Quof made this post
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>>585656224
I'll ask it if the new one is better
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>>585656282
he's right then
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i'm going to panic release a test build of Kisaragi-SWORD just in case they go after ChatGPT Recomps.

The game is perfectly playable. The only artifacts i found in the game were the dungeon floor tiles would flicker when FPS is 45+. I fixed all of them for the first dungeon, but i didn't progress to the second dungeon or higher yet, so there might be flickering at those dungeons. setting FPS to 30 eliminates the problem entirely, but the flickering isn't that bad, so if you do encounter it in the second dungeon or higher, you have options.

>Why do i have to panic release?

Apparantly Recomps on Claude just got hit hard by an October 21st update to nerf it's reverse engineering capabilitiy. If they go after ChatGPT next, they might block my request to release a public launcher for the game, so I have to release a launcher now just in case that happens.
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>>585655975
My old bookmark, time to update it
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>>585656539
we will be downloading
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>>585656539
>ChatGPT Recomps.
I heard Claude is the best AI, but.
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>>585656385
https://codeberg.org/gongchandang49/bypass-all-shortlinks-debloated this is the one
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I pirate all vns and only spend on gacha
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>>585649597
Noel fucks blacks
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>>585657309
Maybe on planet contrarian zoom
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>>585657309
This but unironically. I blew $250 on the Vesna/Vodyanitsa banner to get C0R1 on both.
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Steins;Gate? More like Poo;Poo.
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>>585657309
many have been doing this
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kek low quality domestic products suddenly plot relevant
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>>585655456
I actually found on steam, the game uses the english name, that is why I didn't find it. It's probably on steamrip or smth, thank you anyway.
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>>585657979
what a shit death picking a random piece of paper with a vague comment...
Walther's too - dude just randomly suicide charged and died like lol Unless it was some fakeout and writer has no balls, fuck knows
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>>585657979
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>charging down a narrow street into 2 elite TSFs
uh-huh. It worked with Takeru because he had certified hax skills and a revolutionary control system. This is just boring.
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Mass Effect of visual novels?
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Juna has a sword though. Sword art cool.
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>>585645696
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>>585657451
Really wish S;G could release something good for once instead of the endless shit we've been subjected to.
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Don't listen to her, you'll start pissing yourself

>>585658625
Worrying 2 of you thought of left in this scene when right is a rather basic trope.
...I guess its a reminder the average person didn't watch hundreds of anime series or read 100+ VNs
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>>585658690
Ahh... AstralAir...
Chuee's favorite VN...
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>>585658902
>didn't watch hundreds of slop
we do be valuing our time~
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>>585658991
he has good taste
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>>585658902
>didn't watch hundreds of anime series or read 100+ VNs
Haha...
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Ackshually they fight because the Stasi has forced them to.

>>585659041
...by rewatching the same show 5 times.
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>>585659150
>AI marks the image as a spoiler with a longer explanation than usual
gemini has the plot of that game drilled into it huh
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>>585656539
>>585656649
>>585656991

Kisaragi-Sword TEST Version 0.1.0 has been RELEASED!

Grab it here: https://mega.nz/file/w7snkLQL#W9b2BhIjeFRipjvgr-1xEfObOoZ4K7AS56QgwkumRvU

>I'm telling on you to Type Moon!!
Recomps are legal because you must provide your own ROM.

Get it /vn/ sisters. It's japanese kino.
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ge with lots of white women or heroines in a vaguely european setting?
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>>585659473
your moms life. i did her route and got her pregnant
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>talk no jutsu causes people to mass suicide
cool
maybe wait till no one's fighting in the city at least. also its not like stasi wouldnt just gun them down so very unrealistic
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>retarded pointless "I'll hold them off" deaths just to pad the counter
uh-huh.
>vague death throes that make it seem like you're supposed to know extra material to know whats up with these characters
ugghhh.... very awful
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>>585660047
mm not death throes but the uhhh death rattles
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can i get a link to JOPcord? i’m tired of EOPcattle and MTLjeets here.
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>>585660431
time to move to /lil/
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15 year old blonde boobs
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>>585659350
>It's japanese kino.
Bro hasn't even finished reading it
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Platonic sex?
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Sooo why are they suddenly winning? They were losing very hard and outnumbered but people walking onto the streets is suddenly a win?
This makes no sense.
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>>585659350
based
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>mention that she won't ever be able to repeat the sicko tsf maneuvers with the damage stasi caused
ok but maybe tell us what they did? theres like 0 detail and it looks like they just beat her up
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>>585660848
keep us updated!
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Sidenote its also very weird czechoslovakia isnt mentioned when they would have to defend their borders together...
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>>585661620
i won't actually play it until extra record releases next year and i finish that first
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>>585659350
you didn't play test it
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>>585662628
that's what the people are for
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>>585662628
ummm yes i did.

i got as far as pic related. (spoilers)
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>>585663005
Where in fuyuki is that?
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>>585663005
We need an AI art upscale patch
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>>585663340
HFK
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>>585663340
The fuck
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>>585663340
it really is perfect, been laughing at it for a solid minute now
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>>585647834
https://vndb.org/c161705
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>another "villain" that's more correct than the main cast
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xd
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Now that they reveal all this its pretty dumb the general started the coup if theres 0% chance of reunification, surely its not just Axmann who knew this, all these army higher ups had to be aware about basic politics
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holy oppai
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Genuinely who gives a shit about Muv Luv in 2026, even Steins;Gate is more relevant.
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Thinking about Sylwia - iirc in the anime she died way earlier just getting shot in the base or something? A better death than here to be sure
>another vague comment on Beatrix's past with Irisdina that sounds like "read extra material wink wink"
ugh
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>>585655480
Only FGO because it's just F/SN but 10x longer
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>>585665546
slopguzzlers
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>>585665546
S;G as a series never produced anything good, so...
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Finally can start with this one
WIP
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>>585655480
Fate/Grand Order isn't just good—it's fantastic.
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>>585665708
better than anything age ever made lol
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>>585665754
it's fantastic, but.
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>>585665546
How is it more relevant, because of the zero effort reboot designed to milk whatever's left of the series?
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>>585665850
It mogs your favorite VN, so.
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>>585665883
>zero effort
dishonest faggot
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Taking Irisdina's comment about her taking her brother away from Beatrix it'd have to be the classic "I don't care what happens anymore" situation for her to end up like that,I guess? Thought its a bit ehh as a whole since in that case she'd want revenge against the Stasi
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>>585665914
If Mages' modern SG output like the reboots and S;G 0 are "effort" then I dread to know what it's like to see them phoning it in.
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So how long are the other routes? Like a few mins of reading or actually a decent split?

>>585666146
oh, the tag didnt apply. w/e its no biggie.
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Based
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>>585666448
like 3 or 4 hours each
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>>585665774
I prefer Muv Luv quite a lot over S;G actually.
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>>585665546
stein gate reboot flopped, so no. Only a proved success like TsukiRe is relevant in the 2020s
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Cute...
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>>585666868
>i'm a slopguzzler
k
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wtf...nyooo...

>>585666690
Hopium rising
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>>585666902
nobody cares about tsukire except type shit mongs and they are still coping about red garden
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>>585667464
>red garden
Future FGO event mentioned
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>>585667318
Best girl
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Which do I go for

https://vndb.org/r167286 is from /ourguy/ sakuramusubi
But https://vndb.org/r167838 following the hidden edit link seems to be an updated version of the title

Pls respond
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>>585667957
Ask Astra at this point
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>>585667957
>patch documenting how he made it with a demo
>random ry**shits link with 0 information
really, really hard choice
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I swear Kyonyuu Fantasy is the only VN series to take its story completely seriously and have 4P (and larger) scenes actually in the main narrative. All the other ones have that kind of thing detached or are just regular nukige and nothing else.
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>>585666902
trvke
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>>585668056
Ryuukino*
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>>585668162
>it's afraid
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I honestly didn't give a shit about any of the characters besides Gretel, Axmann and Lise. Also Vivi. Other routes tomorrow I guess
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>>585668183
>it's mumbai
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>>585668229
this but only vivi
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Hmm to wait for Steam release of Schwarzesmarken or just read it now...
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Someone recompile and translate pre school days overdrive games
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>>585668687
0verflow
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>Inbred Heroine
Tf is this tag
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>>585668687
*overflow
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>3 CG pages still locked
>one of them marked "True"
huh I didnt know this had a true route.

More on characters its a shame Katia goes 500% into ideal huffing in part 2 and Theodor's character stops making sense when he chooses the promise to Irisdina over his sister
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>>585668584
steam tl is gonna suck ass unless you like heavy localization
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>>585668817
your mom lol
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>>585668892
>huh I didnt know this had a true route.
it's a 2 minute sequelbait epilogue
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>>585668892
>huh I didnt know this had a true route.
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>>585669000
Doxing is not allowed!
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>>585669054
>>585669074
ugh. Im rewatching the show when im done and calling that the true route
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>>585669259
Canon route & what the anime adapts is Katia's.
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>>585669351
I know, it's why I left the others for later.
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>>585669351
Katia best girl.
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>>585669623
On planet retard.
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Lise best girl.
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>>585669695
EVERYONE had her
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Axmann best girl
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>>585669695
The whole Germany...
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>>585669730
>>585669823
>she's used goods
OK &? Virginity isn't a deal breaker.
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>>585669807
Hagxmann...
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>>585669828
Erina love
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>>585669951
The Stasi officer in the stronghold literally looks like a genderbent Axmann to be quite desu
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>>585669730
>ichijou out of nowhere
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>>585670070
I was bringing up your mom out of nowhere, actually.
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>>585669828
Everyone agrees she is best girl, including me.
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Nobody from Rokuhara can handle her.
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>>585670064
Kinda. But she doesn't have that captivating smile
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>>585670472
Imagine the grip
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Never 7
Ever17
Remember11
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Can AI make a Manosaba moege?
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Artificial Indian™ inside
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>>585670817
Inside me.
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MUMBAImasa
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>>585670883
Kana losted
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>>585670980
In my village losing your virginity before turning 10 is normal
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Can AI make the Somnium Files 4?
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Is Kotaro Uchikoshi the most consistently good VN writer?
https://vndb.org/s548
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>>585671512
>consistent
>body swap
>body swap with amnesia
>body swap
>body swap
lol I guess
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>>585671605
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>>585672174
Welcome back.
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>>585671661
>witchification amplifies powers
>I wonder what a stronger form of body swap is?
>it's the power to connect worlds
Type shit. pic related
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How is the characterization in Schwarzesmarken vs. Muv Luv? I feel like we didn't really get to see the characterization of the girls too much past Extra, Takeru was so in his own damn head and there was so much to learn about in the future, plus Alternative just dropped all of them completely. Really feels like they leaned too heavily on the idea that Extra's time with them was enough.
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>>585652061
GIWTWM
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>>585671281
It can, but it'll be the Zero Time Dilemma of the AITSF series, do you really want that?
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>>585658625
HFK
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>>585673936
I'll never forgive them for using up such an excellent artist on such a fuckawful game.
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>>585673550
Alternate dropped them how?
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>>585674035
Well, we really don't spend much time with any of them besides Kasumi and Sumika. I suppose the idea is that we spent time with them in Unlimited, but I don't know, there's just not a lot of breathing room with them. I know Extra was around for that, but they had to keep so much under wraps in that game that it all felt weirdly stiff there, too.
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TN kinos are still in.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPIxN7byEEw
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Yabai!
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based
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>>585674772
What the hell is this game even about?
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Going to read a little before going to sleep since tomorrow I'm back to work... WHITE WOMAN SPOTTED
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>>585669695
Make them kiss each other.
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>>585674826
erina goto
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That's one massive fucking whale!
Still smaller than (You)r mom though
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>>585674393
BEATOREESUUUUU
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>>585674993
Is she Arrogant, Energetic, Food Lover, Genius, Loner, Smart, and Watashi?
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>>585675050
rude
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>>585675114
no, but she's an oppai loli
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>>585675114
Food Wars was so good...
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>another loop
>another Rem sacrifice
When will the pain train end?
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It's MGWT Monday.
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>>585675367
men do be going their own way
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You know, that's oddly specific for 17 cuts.
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>>585675348
I'm also watching, too.
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Too far Otto...
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>It was so exciting I almost nutted
Tohno Shiki, a true poet.
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Good Morning /vn/. I still lurk the thread.
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>>585675903
Not very Brotto of him...
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>>585675937
WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN QUEEN
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>>585675937
>/vn/ is finally saved
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>>585675937
kill yourself troon
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>>585675937
live yourself queen
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>>585675937
I don't even know who you are.
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>>585674926
ffm sex in red garden doko. I need the white women sex
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MAO translations Wonned
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>>585676124
Dumb newfag
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>>585675978
A court jester loses value when she becomes expected.

>>585676124
Everyone will give a different answer to that question.

>>585676065
Thank you!
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>>585676220
he*
YWNBAW
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>>585676297
She*
SWABAW
>>
Kohaku is really cute, like a housewife.
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>>585676316
I love Ram.
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>>585676316
Cute Roswaal onahole
>>
AI won
MAO MAO MAO
thank you Oretsuba
Thankyou Redman!
Red
I am beating my dick
right n
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>>585676394
Everyone witnh good taste says this
>>585676408
Don't remind me...
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>>585676524
I never watched the Snow OVA...
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Been looking into touching up the old Mangagamer Kira Kira translation and it's kinda funny how often the AI says the MG translation just straight up didn't translate stuff as it's doing a read through of the TL and original script.
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>>585676620
meatbagsloppers will defend this btw
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I want to be scolded by Kohaku so bad...
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>>585676618
Get on it bro, it's kino.
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>>585676994
How are you ban evading this!?
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>>585676620
Damn, the font they used is borderline unreadable on all the bright backgrounds.
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>>585677076
That's on the list of things that will be fixed kek
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>>585677053
>Implying there any mods on this board to give him a ban to evade
The best ban evasion technique is simply posting on /vg/, you'll never be banned in the first place.
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>>585677053
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>>585677148
i got 3day'd for a white noise shitpost here last week
shits not fair
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>>585655857
sad but TRVE, I saw the 7.2 trailer and was on my knees screaming KINO
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>>585677204
Blud almost said a Manosaba spoiler
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He hasn't changed at all since their last conversation...
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hot. fingers crossed the remake adds a cg
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>if only you knew how bad things really are
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>trying to reveal his return by death killed Emilia instead this time
huh, that's new...and fucked up
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>>585677805
Lucky Subaru is a male, so he can't witch out from triggering the taboos.
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The JUICE!
>>585677957
Witches sure are interesting
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>>585677549
How yuri is this? I keep getting mixed singals. There are some guys saying that girls are explicitly straight and there's no yuribait even, and other ones saying it's GL
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>heroine is a turbo whore who sleeps with everyone even with hobos and dogs
>MC can fuck her only in her route
???
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>moege MCs when the heroine wears a swimsuit
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>>585678367
they're dykes
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Did we jerk off to her?
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Holy aura
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>>585676881
>honorifics
HFK
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>>585678751
you are low iq
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>>585678797
you are from mumbai
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>>585678109
>>585678540
My GOAT
My fucking GOAT
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>>585679005
you are from south africa
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>>585679315
you are from brazil
>>
gambs deceiving and astroturfing on his own subreddit again
https://www.reddit.com/r/visualnovels/comments/1xfn913/why_the_hate_on_mao_translations/
why do ppl even go there? even on reddit there's /r/vns as the better subreddit alternative
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>>585679689
MUMBAImasa
>>
Wasn't /r/vns created by fuwanovel folks who sure were at odds with gambs like every sane person but who also have that fuwa pirate background hence not the kind of commercial industry support /r/visualnovels was aiming for?
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It makes me sad that I have to cuck my number one main heroine when I play her friend's routes.
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Idk about gambs being on good terms with JVN makers when he's universally hated and banned as a toxic person everywhere (eg vndb).
True to the schizoid traits of the community, his end game seems to be a strategy of simultaneously advertising MTL and devalueing it. None of his mtlations have been picked up by industry though so whatever his goal it doesn't seem to be working except for OpenAI.
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Oh no, i took too long and someone made sasasagu English patch
https://vndb.org/v23077

damn like two or three weeks worth of quota down the drain.
I should have worked on it instead of the other ones i was working on... they could have waited too, this was the only one that was in danger of being done by someone else.

I guess it's possible that it's worse
>>
Well if his goal was to further monopolize discussion about VNs on his subreddit by derailing it everywhere else, /vn/ sure was an easy target.
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>>585679689
>it's afraid
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>>585679931
The curse of the vinnie enjoyer
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>>585678367
They are friends, all of them like men.
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>>585676994
Holy fucking GIWTWM!
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>>585678109
Kirito's VA btw.
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>>585678395
>heroine is a turbo whore who sleeps with everyone even with hobos and dogs
>MC can't fuck her
One of my favorite tropes, but very rare.
>>
When has a heroine ever fucked a hobo? Sounds gross, I'm glad I don't play ges like that.
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>>585680684
Which one you want to be
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>>585681472
It's called social service or mutual sex aid and your selfish ass won't understand
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>>585681472
It happens in every moege after the ending (and sometimes off screen in the routes).
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Alcoholic heroines doko?
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>>585681338
That's an insult at this point.
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>>585682136
What is?
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We love Re:Zero here
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>>585683160
MHBST
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>>585682082
Here you go
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is this accurate?
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>>585684261
According to MAO/Gambs, it's not.
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>>585680363
>no model linked
finish the job sir, at least upload the tl'd script so it can be swapped
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https://github.com/Broomstick-Girl-Magical-Amber/tsukire-pc-port

it's up
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>>585685062
>Broomstick-Girl-Magical-Amber
MAGICAL GIRL?
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>>585685213
it's a troon, yes
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she's just like me.............
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I hope daddy Altman shuts down VN reverse engineering soon
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>>585685309
>it's afraid
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>>585685327
They're already cracking down on it. Stop hurting the big companies goy
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>>585685390
>They're already cracking down on it.
no they are not lol
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>>585685283
Who?
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>>585685414
>it's afraid
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>>585685525
i'm not afraid because i know you are talking about a kotaku article reporting about a tweet
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>>585685554
your are flooding your pants
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>>585685609
keep your scat fetish to yourself lil bro
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>>585685309
If it's only reverse engineering VN, DeepSeek Harness and Qwen 3.8 27B or Qwen 3.8 Next (on Strata) can get the job done. Even easier if you have document written by Claude for other game. I reverse engineer Flyable Heart with that setup.

God forsaken engines such as light's Malie engine is an exception but there are only a handful of them.
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>>585685702
>DeepSeek Harness and Qwen 3.8 27B or Qwen 3.8 Next (on Strata
Communist weapons of mass destruction. You're going to jail kiddo
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>>585685742
>Communist weapons of mass destruction. You're going to jail kiddo
lol
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you get used to it, sister
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>>585686096
>shiyo 781
what does this mean
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>>585686282
ast astra retardgod
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>>585686282
it's the 781st shiyo, retard
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>>585685309
I mean we have uncensored models like GLM 5.3 for reverse engineering so who cares
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>>585685309
ludditors are so hecking cute

what's gonna happen instead that in the upcoming month we'll move from recompiling game to recompiling biology and nobody can stop this from happening
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>>585686637
>recompiling biology
ywnbaw
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>>585686693
>he doesn't know
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>>585686693
>it's afraid
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>>585687057
i think it would a lot easier growing a female body in a vat and then moving your consciousness there
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Flood is rewriting xerself
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>>585685213
Yes.
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>>585687292
>implying you don't want to be a woman
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>>585687292
Who doesn't want to be a cute girl
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unlike trannies i don't want to become a woman, but i wouldn't mind moving my consciousness to a 100% female body
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>>585688214
>moving my consciousness
What do you mean by that? Copying the structure of your brain? In that case you won't even notice that your clone brain came online.
The only feasible way is to transplant the brain and reconnect millions of nerves to the spine
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Today is her birthday.
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>>585688214
>unlike trannies i don't want to become a woman, but i wouldn't mind becoming a woman
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>>585689264
Happy birthday!!!
I miss the A.I. blogpostation...
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>>585682082
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>>585680363
Your tl could still be better, really depends on how they went about it and what model was used.
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>>585687057
>"a women"
ESL bro...
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https://youtu.be/AdyCcNyI3L4
It's up
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>>585689835
No one cares about grammar while chatting with a clanker
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>>585673550
>Alternative just dropped all of them completely.
I remember thinking this as well but to be fair Unlimited is where he spends time with them and basically everyone is given their arc, with Meiya maybe getting the most development. In Alternative Takeru starts to get locked in on Sumika, and they definitely take the backseat in comparison.
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>>585689174
>In that case you won't even notice that your clone brain came online.
now google ship of theseus
>The only feasible way is to transplant the brain and reconnect millions of nerves to the spine
that would work but you'd still have a male brain so it's not the same

>>585689292
man in a female body != female
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>>585651515
>first part kino 2nd is lower than lowest part of alternative
Wow, that sounds rough
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so is someone going to make an ultimate edition of dies irae or do i need to play it the hard way
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>>585690161
>now google ship of theseus
I know what that is but how would you apply that here? Another way I could imagine is to connect the two brains and let the consciousnesses merge and then shut off the original brain. This should be possible because there are conjoined twins with connected brains that share one consciousness.
VNs for this feel?
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We do it for the people
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>>585690550
mao i like you for mindbreaking troonylators can you do this >>585690361
ppl say it requires some engineering im sure astra or opus can do it
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vinnie-san * ciallo~~~
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>>585689923
That's gonna be tough to translate with all of those voicelines during the action segments.
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>>585690550
>he says it while he lets /vn/ fuck his wife
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>>585690550
Still waiting to see if Astra will top Makoto's Muramasa tl
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>>585690510
the point is digitalizing/moving neurons one by one
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KYOJINTACHI: The Departed dropping today
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Forever in our hearts.
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>>585691373
MAO is Kageaki?!
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>>585690841
You don't look like that
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>>585691612
Only took 20 years after original release
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>>585691358
The real challenge is reading all that shit while focusing on the gameplay, the Gunvolt games have a similar issue where the characters love to yap during gameplay but it's impossible to follow without >dub
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>>585690161
>ship of theseus
There's a quest about this in NieR:Automata, but they don't namedrop the concept and instead leave you to think about it on your own. I think that's a mature way to approach philosophical themes as opposed to writers like Masada who just drop "Nietzsche said XXX" randomly without actually incorporating his teachings into the script in a meaningful way.
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>>585692136
Yeah that's what I'm worried about as well. I hope it's just going to be chit-chat and nothing plot relevant.
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Apparently there are Muv-Luv light novels no one ever mentions:
https://e-hentai.org/s/74fde310bf/1681328-42
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KINOmasa
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What happened to Mihiro's boobs? Why are they smaller than Toa's?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbzGszF0Nso
Tsuriotsu 3
alive medium
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>>585693923
Pic related shows how it really is. Sorry, Toa.
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>>585676149
MAO is a total garbage. If someone praising it, be sure it's a pure tourist.
And it's not about AI BAD. No, LLMs can be used to make GREAT translations.
But MAO? He's literally doing what lolcalizers. Stripping the original from its identity, replacing units to american, removing honorifics, switching name order, removing Japanese customs, swapping it with american ones.
Seriously you need to be ultra retarded to defend a trash like this.
It's like choosing between syphilis (localizers) and cholera (MAO).
Pure xenophobia. I'd not be surprised if it's ex localizer doing it to piss off real fans.
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>>585694853
>replacing units to american
>removing Japanese customs
proof of these? the rest are ok
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>>585694982
>the rest are ok
No, they're not.
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>>585695093
yes they are. honorifics aren't english, and the name order is different in english, there's nothing wrong with that

also i think you forgot to post the proof of the other 2
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>>585648652
>>585668229
>>585669259
Schwarzmarken went to shit when best girl Lise died
Even as an animeonlyfag I knew this which is why I never picked the VN up
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>>>/bant/25225373
>>>/bant/25225373
>>>/bant/25225373
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>>585695093
honorifics should be retained
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>>585695197
that has to be the worst use of the spoiler tag ever. i wonder what word of 4 letters could be there...
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>>585695514
cried
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>>585695197
>>585669695
>he liked used goods the best
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>>585694982
No they are not, you must be retarded if you're okay with removing literal information, tropes etc.
Proof? Just look at their scripts, they have all scripts on their page.
Hating on honorifics and being okay with retarded things like swapped name order is a prime indicator of tourism. They are also using names instead surnames too.,
Also replacing -kun with Mr. and nickname with full name lmao.
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>>585695778
>No they are not, you must be retarded if you're okay with removing literal information, tropes etc.
what information does the word order remove? and the one in honorifcs is preserved if it's translated properly, like in your pic

i agree about changing metric units tho, fuck amerimutts. guess maolations will need an addition qc pass by euroGODs before they become readable...
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>>585695093
Stfu, retard tourist.

Also, lmao.
This is the same shit as localizers are doing.
Replacing -kun with Miss. Pure cringe.
Imagine reading Japanese story and being feed with americanisms.
Only retards would defend this.
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>>585671512
his magnum opus...
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Why did Japanese visual novels stop being good?
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>>585696154
learn japanese if you don't like reading proper english
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>>585695151
No, they aren't.
>>585695489
Exactly.

Japanese: "Senpai..."
English: "Mr. Morioka..."
Whenever the above happens I just want to rip my hair out.

I still can't believe Ashe is dead (pic related)...
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>>585695980
>guess maolations will need an addition qc pass by euroGODs before they become readable...
They are doing it purposely - I mean americanizing everything.
And I don't understand how you can defend removing culture and be against the same exact thing (inits and other shit).
And if you don't understand why honorifics and keeping name order, using surname instead of name are important, then you're only proving how big of a tourist you are.
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>>585696220
>the reject from /djt/ telling people to learn japanese
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>>585695712
People like you are why women would rather be with a bear than a man in the wild.
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>>585696186
i need to replay this
what if its not as good as i remember when i played it in 2015 though
i cant let my memories of the best vn ever be sullied
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>>585696220
You're MAO yourself, right?
There's no way someone would unironically say shit like this in /vn/
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>>585696291
>Japanese: "Senpai..."
>English: "Mr. Morioka..."
which MAO translation is this from?

>>585696315
>they
ywnbaw

>>585696341
i know japanese and i encourage everyone learning japanese if they care about shit like name orders and honorifics, instead of doing shit that's equivalent in the picture from the OP

>>585696421
no, i haven't said anything wrong. english and japanese are 2 different languages. if you want to read in japanese then learn japanese. if you want to read japanese games in english then read them in english. senpai isn't an english word, no matter how much you cope
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>>585695151
And Japanese characters aren't English either. What's your point?

Honorifics aren't just random Japanese words you can strip out without losing anything. They convey relationships, familiarity, respect, social hierarchy, and sometimes even character development. The difference between calling someone by their surname, using -san, -chan, -kun, or dropping the honorific entirely can be pretty damn important. English doesn't have direct equivalents for most of that.

And Japanese names don't magically become Western names just because the dialogue is translated into English. Since when does translating a language require rearranging people's names to fit American conventions?

You seem to think translation means making everything as familiar as possible to an English-speaking audience, even when that means erasing details from the original. That's exactly the localization mentality I'm criticizing. The goal should be to make Japanese media understandable in English, not pretend it was written by Americans for Americans.
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YU just NO
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>>585696560
You don't even know English.
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>>585696560
lmao
>sushi should be translated as fish cakes and the name Sakura should be Cherry Blossom, Sakura isn't English, sorry!
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>>585696660
Sell me on this.
Does she have sex with others?
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>>585696787
she's a hooker yeah
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>>585696940
Picked up, thanks.
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>>585696605
>And Japanese characters aren't English either. What's your point?
what's yours? there are no japanese characters in english translations...

>Honorifics aren't just random Japanese words you can strip out without losing anything. They convey relationships, familiarity, respect, social hierarchy, and sometimes even character development. The difference between calling someone by their surname, using -san, -chan, -kun, or dropping the honorific entirely can be pretty damn important. English doesn't have direct equivalents for most of that.
i know better than you what honorifics are, but you last statement is correct, there's no equivalent in english, so again i don't see what's your point

>And Japanese names don't magically become Western names just because the dialogue is translated into English. Since when does translating a language require rearranging people's names to fit American conventions?
you didn't sway what information is lost when the name order is swapped, and they reason they are swapped is because the name order is different in english. again if you don't like this, read it in japanese

>You seem to think translation means making everything as familiar as possible to an English-speaking audience [...]The goal should be to make Japanese media understandable in English, not pretend it was written by Americans for Americans.
again, you keep self-owning yourself. as you've said, the goal is to make japanese media understandable in ENGLISH, and honorifics aren't part of english. also in case you still haven't noticed, something things are always lost in translation, that how languages work, the only way around it is learning japanese

>>585696715
proof?

>>585696731
>sushi should be translated as fish cakes
uhm no? https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/sushi

>and the name Sakura should be Cherry Blossom,
uhm no? google what a "proper noun" is
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>>585697072
>uhm no? google what a "proper noun" is
doesnt matter, it's not english, it's japanese and all traces of Japanese must be erased from the script because... because...
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>>585697291
you haven't googled what a "proper noun" is, otherwise you wouldn't have written such a dumb ahh post...
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>>585697072
By Japanese characters I meant the actual people in the story, not fucking kanji. Jesus Christ.

You literally admit that English has no direct equivalents for Japanese honorifics, then somehow conclude that removing them is the correct solution. Are you genuinely this dense? That's precisely WHY keeping them makes sense. You're preserving information that otherwise gets lost or distorted. Replacing -kun with "Mr." or "Miss" isn't translating it properly. Those words carry different meanings and social implications. And no, English doesn't have some magical rule requiring Japanese names to be rearranged. Japanese people don't suddenly adopt Western naming conventions because someone writes about them in English. The original name order is part of how names are used in that culture. Changing it doesn't improve comprehension. It just makes the text more Western for absolutely no reason.

Your entire argument boils down to "it's not English, therefore it shouldn't appear in an English translation." By that logic, half the Japanese cultural vocabulary commonly used in English would have to disappear too. The funniest part is you linking a fucking dictionary definition of "sushi" without realizing you're proving my point. English borrows foreign words all the time. And yes, some things inevitably get lost in translation. That's not an excuse to deliberately throw away information you could easily preserve.

And spare me the "just learn Japanese" bullshit. People read translations because they want access to works written in another language. That doesn't mean they want those works stripped of their cultural identity. You can write perfectly natural English while preserving Japanese names, honorifics, customs, and cultural references. The fact that you apparently can't imagine doing that says more about your understanding of translation than anything else.
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>you get Isekai'd into the world of the last VN you played
>as one of the protag's friends
>you need to befriend the heroines while having knowledge of their sexual deviancy from the H scenes
Are you able to manage and remain the protag's friend (who gets no pussy)?
Hardmode: no cucking him and stealing them away, and no all-ages slop
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>>585697352
>A proper noun is a specific name for a particular person, place, organization, or thing, and it is always capitalized in English according to the Grammarly Guide to Proper Nouns.
Okay now that that irrelevancy is out of the way, back to the topic of how Sakura is a Japanese word, proper noun or not. And according to the rules that all japanese must be scrubbed from a script and ONLY English must remain, it would therefore have to be translated into its English counterpart. Or according to you, just make something up entirely if there is no English counterpart. Because there can be no Japanese in the English translation... because.... because....
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>>585697072
>proof

you didn't sway --> should be "say" (or "show").

they reason --> should be "the reason".

self-owning yourself --> redundant ("self-owning" already means owning yourself); use "self-owning" or "owning yourself".

something things --> should be "some things".

that how --> missing "is" --> "that's how".

uhm --> standard spelling in online discussions is usually "um" or "umm".
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is oretuba prelude and after story fixed yet @mao @gambs @nigga from yesterdays thread

@.@
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the reddit visual novel community has actual females with breasts and the entire package posting there than on here
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>>585696341
djt is dead thx to astra dude nobody gives a fuck now
>>585696154
you is niggerだよ
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MAO is hated even on reddit, for the exact reasons people mentioned here. It tells a lot.
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>>585697446
No
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>>585697446
Obviously I would cuck protag-san
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>>585697446
Source?
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the reddit visual novel community situation is crazy
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>>585697396
>honorifics
you are correct on everything, but honorifics still aren't english. sure you can add them in the tl, but that won't be proper english anymore. also just to be clear, i'm not defending the MAOlation, who the fuck knows what astra did and how it was prompted, but it's not such a big issue as weebs like making it, since it should be clear from the context if the register is formal or casual and stuff like that.

>By that logic, half the Japanese cultural vocabulary commonly used in English would have to disappear too.
i assure you, everything you meant by that is on cambridge dictionary. borrowed word is one thing, keikaku means plan is another, since keikaku isn't a borrowed word. also you still haven't answered what information is lost when names are swapped...

>People read translations because they want access to works written in another language.
you mean... in english? the one that doesn't have honorifics?

>You can write perfectly natural English while preserving Japanese names, honorifics, customs, and cultural references.
no you can't, that's how languages work. what you are trying to do is to "improve" english language by adding arbitrary weebish terms and customs that YOU are familiar with. again, there's nothing wrong with that, astra can do it for you. hell, you can ask it to replace every english noun with its japanese reading in romaji! that's exactly the same thing, if we follow your line of reasoning...

or you could just learn japanese...

>>585697558
>Okay now that that irrelevancy is out of the way, back to the topic of how Sakura is a Japanese word
no, it's a proper noun. ask astra to explain it to you, since you clearly don't get it from wikipedia alone. also i don't understand why you keep coping about that when mao doesn't change names unless it's needed for puns and stuff

>>585697740
most of those are called "typos", looks them up. uhm is an onomatopeia
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>>585698052
i doubt most of them have much in the way of breasts
i guess the 200 pound ones may have B cups
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>>585698245
>no, it's a proper noun
>no
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>>585698245
lol
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>weeb creole
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>>585698245
You keep repeating "honorifics aren't English" as if that settles anything. Nobody claimed they were. The question is whether removing them makes a translation less faithful. You admit English has no direct equivalents, yet somehow conclude that throwing away information is the correct solution. Brilliant. And no, retaining -san or -chan doesn't magically make an English sentence improper. English can incorporate foreign terms without ceasing to be English. That's how language works.

Your keikaku comparison is idiotic. "Plan" already conveys its meaning. Now show me an English word that conveys everything implied by -chan or -kun, including how their use reflects relationships between characters. You can't, and that's precisely the point. Context doesn't always compensate either. A character suddenly dropping an honorific can signal a major shift in their relationship. Remove honorifics throughout the script and that distinction disappears unless you rewrite something else to compensate.
As for names, Japanese surname-first order is perfectly understandable in English. There's no grammatical rule requiring Japanese names to be rearranged. You're confusing Western conventions with English grammar.

And your Cambridge Dictionary obsession is hilarious. Dictionaries document vocabulary usage. They don't determine which cultural concepts are allowed in translated literature. Nobody is asking to replace random English words with Japanese ones. We're asking translators not to deliberately discard cultural information when there's no need to. The fact that you can't distinguish those things is telling. And "just learn Japanese" isn't an argument. By that logic, nobody could ever criticize a translation because they should simply read the original instead.

Also, the Reddit spacing on /vg/ while lecturing people about Japanese VNs is a nice touch. You're really not beating the tourist allegations.
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>oppai
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>>585698568
If you haven't lived in Japan then you most likely don't even understand the nuances of honorifics. Removing them is the correct choice since they're just fluff to most readers.
Do you get this upset at kanji puns or keigo being removed/changed?
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Senior > Senpai
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>>585698819
This is tourist mentality taken to an entirely new level.
Back in the day, people could watch two or three anime series and already have a decent grasp of when -san, -kun, -chan, onii-chan or -sama were used. They didn't need to live in Japan or have a degree in Japanese linguistics to understand the cultural basics and appreciate the additional information those honorifics conveyed.

Now apparently we need to strip Japanese media of its own conventions because tourists can't be bothered to learn even the most elementary aspects of the culture they're supposedly interested in. And your comparison with kanji puns and keigo is ridiculous. A kanji pun might be genuinely impossible to reproduce directly in English. Keigo often requires careful changes in wording and register. Honorifics, meanwhile, can simply be retained without making the surrounding English unnatural. Why deliberately discard information that's so easy to preserve?

Besides, you don't need to understand every subtle nuance to benefit from something. Readers can gradually pick up those distinctions through exposure, exactly as fans have done for decades. Removing them guarantees they'll never get that opportunity. The entire idea that anything unfamiliar to an English-speaking reader must be removed is precisely the localization mentality we're criticizing.

You're not making Japanese media more accessible - you're treating its audience like children who might get confused if they encounter something Japanese in a Japanese story.
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>>585698397
>>585698448
Imagine holding an argument and your opponent keeps sending screenshots of grok chatlogs. We're currently experiencing the birth of a generation that can neither think for itself nor express itself argumentatively.
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Japanese setting = keep honorifics
Western setting = remove honorifics

Context is key.
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>>585698397
you said it was used as a name in your first post... what's the point of this? holy shit you are dumb

>>585698448
>no prompt, no temporary chat
try again

>>585698568
nice grok post, i accept your concession. but hey, keep crying about english language, i ain't gonna stop you
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just ask astra to restore honorifics, holy shit y'all so fucking dumb
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>>585699056
not him but the level of japanese achieved from just being in japan alone for a bit is insane. you stagnate eventually with reading and input and only speaking and getting active neurological feedback takes you to the next level... in other words actually knowing japanese...
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>>585699161
And you're ignoring that the vast majority of Japanese fantasy settings are built around Japanese cultural norms, social dynamics, and conventions, even when the world itself looks Western.

Trails of Cold Steel is a perfect example. Erebonia is clearly inspired by Europe, yet the characters' relationships, school life, social hierarchy, honorifics, and everyday interactions are overwhelmingly Japanese. The setting looks Western, but the underlying social conventions are Japanese.

So yes, context absolutely matters. Medieval European architecture doesn't magically turn Japanese social dynamics into Western ones.

Unless a setting is explicitly modeled on a particular Western culture, including its social conventions, there's no reason to discard Japanese ones just because the characters aren't living in Japan.
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>>585699327
no
I will just not read your SHITlation hahaha
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>>585699056
>have a decent grasp of when -san, -kun, -chan, onii-chan or -sama were used.
Explain the nuance of san and kun then.
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>>585699425
i'm not mao, schizoGOD. if there's something you won't read it gonna be the original japanese work of art, kek
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I can't wait to read Argokaj's translation
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>>585699408
Cringe
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>>585678605
Yes, and I anticipate many more times.
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>niggas debating chatgpt
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>>585699491
what happened with that guy did he release anything or was it a psyop meltdown
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The only people who care about honorifics are N5s and ironic weebs.
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>>585699491
You will have to wait a long time lil bro
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>>585699442
Sure.
-san is the general polite default. It conveys respect or social distance without necessarily implying hierarchy. You can use it for strangers, classmates, colleagues, or people younger than yourself. Switching from surname-san to given-name-san, or dropping it entirely, can signal a change in the relationship.
-kun is more context-dependent. It's commonly used for boys and younger men, but also by teachers toward students, superiors toward subordinates, and sometimes for women in professional settings. Between peers it can suggest familiarity, while from a superior it can reinforce hierarchy. A girl calling a boy -kun isn't necessarily conveying the same relationship as a teacher calling him -kun.
And that's the point. It's not simply "formal vs. casual." Who uses which honorific, toward whom, and when they change it can tell you something about their relationship without a single extra line of dialogue.
Remove all of that and you lose distinctions that English doesn't always convey naturally.
None of this requires living in Japan. These are basic conventions that anime and VN fans have understood for decades just by paying attention.
The funniest part is that you asked me to explain the nuances while arguing that they're meaningless fluff. Apparently they're important enough to test someone's knowledge of, but not important enough to preserve in a translation.
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>>585699592
Lol
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>>585699758
ask grok to teach you japanese next
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>>585699635
>and ironic weebs.
literally the opposite lmao
Ironic weebs and other subhuman garbage are the ones that are demanding removing them and other cultural things
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>>585699859
lol
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>>585699635
Reading like 2 vns already teaches you the basic meaning of most honorifics intuitively via context. Even as someone who knows almost no Japanese I feel like something is missing when they aren't translated. It gets more silly when you can hear them in the spoken dialogue and actively notice their absence in the translation.
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>>585700076
Schizophrenia
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>>585700123
Mao, go away already. No one is agreeing with you cringe.
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>>585700076
>you can hear them in spoken dialogue
so no information is lost, while english language isn't trannified? sounds good to me
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>>585699859
Patently false. Ironics are the ones calling each other senpai and [name]-chan/san/kun.
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>>585700270
>isn't trannified
Absolute brain damage.
And ironic, considering the fact that trannies are the ones who are vandalizing everything, removing honorifics and inserting le funny memes. It was always like this.
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Not a single person who has posted in this retarded, performative pseudo-conversation has read a visual novel in the last year.
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>>585690550
Hey, fix your shit
>>585633523
>>585634010
>>585634878
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>>585680363
tl/edit by sol 6.1
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>>585690550
More like for brain damaged covid tourists that are satisfied with burgerized garbage
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>>585700315
As an ironic-san I can confirm desu
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>>585700374
Last year? I read like 5 vns this year.
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>>585700269
>No one is agreeing with you
I'm agreeing with him though
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>>585700554
Mao...
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>>585700545
Reading comprehension reps...
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>>585690645
What are you even talking about, he is using the same exact xenophobic localization methods as trannylators you're mentioning. Check your fact before you praise someone.
AI translations can be good when done properly by actual fans. Trash like MAO is no better than localizers are doing. It's the same shit all over again.
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https://dictionary.cambridge.org/spellcheck/english/?q=Senpai
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EOPs go empathy first!
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>>585700645
>xenophobic
NOOOO SOMEONE THINKING OF THE HECKING JAPS
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>>585700645
Found the mindbroken honorifics obsessive
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>>585700375
>Shipping it in this state
I really do think MAO must be an elaborate attempt to make MTL look as bad as possible.
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How do I allow MTL patches when searching for English releases on VNDB? I’d rather not wait for MTLWiki to update since there’s stuff that came out like Itsusora and Sasasagu. who knows if there’s stuff that’s missing in the wiki somehow too
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>>585700993
I mean, the patch didn't even work until someone here fixed it with Astra.
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>>585700993
Fixing
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We do it for magical girls.
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We do it for the 'busa.
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>>585701147
It wasn't compatible with the nodvd patch
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I love lolis the most
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>>585701109
There's stuff that is also missing on vndb. The mtl for https://vndb.org/v11881 that was posted here wasn't added for example.
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>>585700993
lmao
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Re:KINO
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Yani Neko woke my catgirl fetish.
VNs for this feel?
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>>585702475
>woke
Uminegro.
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>>585702537
>negro
Negromasa
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>>585702682
neko = negro
mura = negro ???
average uminegro brain
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>>585702475
I need a Yaku Neko VN.
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Has this ever happened to you?
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>>585702897
>negro
>not thinking of negromasa
how new?
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>>585703395
>bro thinking about negroes
zesty
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>>585703184
I can save her, and she can fix me.
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>>585703515
Uhh is she allowed to say that word?
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>>585703359
Kind of, but I always pop a way bigger boner whenever she's right up against me and I can hear her stomach.
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>>585703931
Are you?
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>>585703986
if it's part of a song
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>>585703986
No, I get banned for 3 days if I say it
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>>585704023
How does that make it ok?
>>585704042
As you should.
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>>585700375
tsmt mao niggA please
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>>585694853
you are low iq
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>>585701156
the game is also broken because of the no dvd shit fix that too sir. no dvd error when installing the japanese and then when you patch it the exe doesnt do anyhing. this for prelude btw havent checked after yet
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>>585703615
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>>585704279
Buy the dvd then, you poor MONG.
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>>585704317
Battler...
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>>585703184
This but Penpen.
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>>585704441
how tf a nigga meant to find prelude. nigga i saw two copies of the base game in the entire of akiba nevermind some fuckass fandisc
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gyaru pure like my potatoes
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Did Deep One end up becoming the Fate killer like /vn/ said it would? Did it save chuunige?
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>>585698448
flood won this one actually
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Who the fuck is Mao? Fuck off with your e-celeb bullshit cocksuckers
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>>585705090
>it's afraid
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>>585704886
no it sucked
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>>585697446
>you reincarnate into a moege
>you're not the MC & you can't fuck the heroines
Then what's the point?
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>>585705495
just rape em
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>>585705090
>Who the fuck is Mao?
https://vndb.org/c75145
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>>585705712
I miss maodays
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>>585697446
>Get sucked into Umineko and tweak Erika's nipples with the finest gilded chopsticks to distract her so my zesty besty Battler can solve the mystery
Seems like a win-win.
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>>585706815
You will get raped by swarthy goats and like it.
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>>585697446
>Get sucked into Muramasa and get to rape Ichijou and Hikaru with my Rokuhara bros so our lovable cucky Kageaki can concentrate on solving world peace
There is no downside to this.
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>>585707003
>you either fuck the tranny or get fucked by goats
lose-lose scenario
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>>585697446
>my last vn played is White Album 2
Are you allowed to commit sudoku?
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>>585695514
stupidity finds many ways to make itself apparent
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>>585707314
Hey, that's for Battler. I'm his best friend, Ushiromiya Anon, who's fucking all of his attractive cousins slash interdimensional voyagers slash aunties in a giant orgy while he's off in the smoking room.
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Please no more umineko and muramasa posts
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>>585663340
12 hours later its still funny
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>>585708053
t. George
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>>585707157
Being in Muramasa world as anyone besides Kageaki basically guarantees that you'll get to lose your V-card. LARPing as a Rokuhara soldier even grants access to prime JK pussy with Hikaru and Ichijo.
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>>585708151
*materializes* come here cutie ;)
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>>585708196
>LARPing as a Rokuhara soldier even grants access to prime JK pussy
Downside would be being conscripted into Chachamaru's army and you're forced to fuck your tranny general.
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>>585708219
Goat-san.. Are you cheating on me?
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>>585708374
That bussy is for Kageaki access only, we're talking Rokuhara grunt status here. Chacha wouldn't fuck just anyone in his army. Weirdly enough, only the heroines are total sluts in Muramasa.
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Thank you liar soft for being R-18. Also does anyone know how to hide the textbox in this ge? I've tried every combination so far to no avail.
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>>585708461
Ah...! Never, Battler-sama... I am deeply sorry... *sodomizes you and only you tenderly into the night*
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>>585708374
>you're forced to fuck your tranny general
but that's why I'm here...
>>585708497
damn straight.
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>>585706642
lmao
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>the alleged JOP kamige
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>>585708583
I am the happiest man alive.
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>>585708686
Kageaki...
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>>585708861
Mizuhi on the left
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>>585708861
Battler on the left
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>>585708861
Yui on the left
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She probably meant this as an insult but I find rats to be super cute so this is an apt description.
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Oretsuba in dub is pretty fun
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What would your tags be if you were an eroge protagonist
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>>585711223
Inbred Protagonist
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Rats?
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>>585711932
Pubes
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>>585711932
Alice's sexy JC body...
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>>585711932
>>
Why did Nasu forego h-scenes instead of making them more tasteful like a true auteur?
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>>585712731
>slop-scenes
everyone ctrls those
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>>585712731
The only way to make h-scenes good is with lolis
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>>585712842
now read your first eroge with h-scenes that are by the main writer
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>>585713406
done~
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Pic related reminds me of that that blonde woman from Amakano 3 with similarly big boobs.
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Do you like heroines with mystic eyes?
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>>585711932
>>585712695
I can't wait for her movie.
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>>585712731
It's time to move on anon. Nasu hasn't made an eroge in over 20 years.
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>>585714125
great proto Sakura
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>>585714196
Fujino is the best girl Nasu ever created.
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>>585714285
>Fujino is the best girl Nasu ever created.
We all agreed that's Saber tho.
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>>585714434
Because she had a futa cock?
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>>585714478
Why else?
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>>585714434
rin*
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>>585714125
Genderbent Kageaki
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>>585714285
But enough about Aoko.
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>>585714478
That's a big plus.
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>>585714790
A nitro plus, if you will
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>>585714848
I'll take the full set meal onegai!
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>>585714615
Tits way too big.
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>>585714605
At least she didn't get gang-raped by Rokuhara bandits.
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>>585710757
There's a dub? Interesting. Fun as in funny?
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>>585714125
We love heroines with cute eyes
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Odds I play Lovepical Poppy
Evens I play Aoi Tori
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>>585715573
>slop vs slop
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>>585715657
Fine. 0 and I play Uminegro and all the side stories.
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Which totsuraba TL should I pick so it doesn't have that but. shit?
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We like Sakura here.
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>>585715884
just astra your own
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>>585715884
Wait for the official one to come out next year.
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>>585715657
>Negromasa vs Mumbaimasa
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>>585715885
Yes.
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>>585715196
Yes, it's quite entertaining
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>>585715919
I don't want to spend time figuring out promptshit and everything, I have like 1.5 hours per day to read visual novels and I don't want to spend that time on fighting with AI
>>585715945
But. I want to read it now...
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>>585716070
Get the one from the ryuu
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>>585716192
Is that the 04-26 one or the 07-22 one?
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>>585716070
>I don't want to spend time figuring out promptshit
just ask it to give you a prompt
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>>585715985
Dont remember this scene in the VN
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>>585716307
It's not on VNDB
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>>585716330
Ufotable added this, it was never in the VN
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>>585716419
>sloptable adds unnecessary garbage
every time
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>>585716514
It was a good scene because it showed how Sakura was disconnected from what was going on in the real world. And the other additions they made, such as showing how Sakura and Shirou met and got close, were good.
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>>585716805
Fuck that hoe
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Do you like it when the MC sucks a futa heroine's cock?
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>>585716805
You're talking to our low IQ hater.
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>>585716882
This happens in LiL
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>>585716932
HFK
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>>585716924
>low IQ
everyone that likes dogshit adaptions of kinoual novels out of nowhere
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>>585716805
Yeah the HF movies showed that you don't have to adapt the VN 1:1, people who care about it already read it. It did suck because it cut important content but I still think it's the best FSN adaptation because they actually took advantage of it being a different medium.
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>>585716805
>it showed how Sakura was disconnected from what was going on in the real world.
Ah yes. That totally wasn't shown in the VN.
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>>585716882
>>
https://x.com/NekoNyanSoft/status/2114763998860132672
NEW NN KINO. OUT NOW!!!!!
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>>585717062
A movie is a visual medium, which means it can't rely on narration to explain what's going on.
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>>585717218
nigga just astra it
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>>585717218
They still won't pay you for this promotion here
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>>585716882
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>>585716805
Yeah, I liked those scenes as well. I have come to accept that these adaptations aren't replacements for the source material and are better experienced after reading the VN.
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If Nasu wasn't a coward, he would have let Saber keep her cock and showed Shirou doing this:

https://files.catbox.moe/nw0p2c.jpg
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>>585717218
kino, we WILL be playing
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>>585714914
Battler...
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>>585717593
for >>585717420
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>>585717420
I didn't even have to open this to know it was the Sei Shoujo nigga
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>>585717218
I only buy ge on Steam.
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"I love you too, Senior..."
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>>585717218
I might have to reread the original game as I barely remember it. Problem however is that I didn't like it that much (I gave it a generous 6/10).
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>>585718191
In MAO it would be character name in best case scenario.
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>>585718212
You don't have to play it if you don't want to.
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>>585718212
The FD is only like 2 hours long.
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Vns that are woke and preach about white male privilege?
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>>585718212
just throw the script into GPT and ask it to summarize
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>>585718191
We love girls who fawn over their seniors
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Muramasa won
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>>585718675
>>585718675
>>585718675
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>>585718670
The best VN of all time awards.
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>>585718604
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>>585718716
Trvke
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>>585718792
pic not related
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MAO wouldn't translate yakiniku as Korean barbecue
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>>585718385
Does he actually use "senior" sometimes? An English speaker would never refer to someone like that in a million years.
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>>585718941
VNs to read if you hate browns?
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>>585718942
No, he uses character names
I'm more in favor of "Senior" though
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Kalbi and bulgogi
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>>585719029
EVNs
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>>585719124
EVNs worship browns though
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>>585719029
Umineko
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>>585719193
>read VNs written by brownies
>read VNs written by whities
up to you lil bro
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>>585719240
Maybe if you love trannies
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>>585719124
Settle down quof
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>>585719302
what if both worship browns?
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>>585718670
It won so hard
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>>585719302
I read RVNs
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>>585719335
I love trannies
t. troon
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>>585718941
He would translate it to grilled meat.
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>>585719757
That would be aisir.
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>>585719757
He translated it just as barbecue
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>>585719335
Muramasa
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>>585719335
meant for >>585718716
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>>585719663
Battler...
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steins shit lost
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mtlDEITIES...
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>>585703034
Built for bibisi
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>>585725668
meant for >>585718675
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NEGROmasa
MUMBAImasa
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I love oppai lolis, especially Yuki!
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>>585728278
>umiNEGRO lost
>KINOmasa won
>>
MUMBAImasa



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