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New interview

https://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/interview/2150143.html

>They program new costumes as new characters for some reason
>Tokyo Revengers was picked because they wanted to appeal to younger players
>They pick new DLC characters based on priority. Those who haven't appeared in a long time and lack 3D models are main priority, while those who always appear in KOF have the lowest priority.
>Possible picks for the future are the Jin twins or those related to the Scrolls, Yamazaki because they are lacking villains, Xiangfei and Sendo because they are lacking in girls.
>Seemingly they considered adding Iori but decided against since it would blur the differences between FF and KOF

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would explain the stupid comment of "it takes half the time of developing a full character to make an alt costume"
>all other fg companies or even companies with games with alt costumes in them:

>>585824026
Team Red made DBFZ and copied Goku for Strive's roster. When the source code leaked for Strive, people found the Goku and its use was as a reference for making new characters instead of starting from scratch every time

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SOON

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finished all of Mai's trials...no idea why my brain farted at a tiger knee input

>>585825234
you would have thought that the company that's notorious for recycling data year after year would have known to do something like this

>>585824719
What was the rationale behind Kim then

Heroines 2

>>585827075
They needed something to sell this season pass I guess, it's a pass solely of B-Listers where the highlights have never been in an SNK game

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We have official confirmation that SNK chooses the guests, maybe people will finally stop with the burqamen scapegoats.

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Andy is gay

i've never even seen tokyo revengers get talked about even in person by the younger crowd, but one literally asked if i saw jujitsu kaiser or whatever it's called and the conversation would shift to someone else who did because i don't even really keep up with anime or manga

tokyo revengers though? lol i only once or twice heard the name of it alone in passing and only on the internet

>>585828823
I talked about it with my younger sister and the MC is legitimately such a radioactive wastebin that he outright disinterests anyone young. Anyone who IS into it are into it for the characters in CotW. So they chose a dogshit shonen people actually admit is garbage and added the popular characters for whatever reason

>>585828823
It was very popular for about a year
Also it has it's fujo fanbase, who typically are quieter but actually spend money on all the stupid merch and shit

>>585831214
>Also it has it's fujo fanbase
oh, now i understand

>>585825234
So that's just a template that they "copy" when making a new character. Seems messy that it is somehow in the code of the game and not in a dev tool, but whatever.
Dunno what makes you think that SNK doesn't have a reference like that as a starting point.

>>585832773
The costumes are proof of that, for one. Even if say SNK were copying off a base, they still do it individually for every thing implemented in the game including NPCs and Bosses. Hypothetically instead of the load-bearing Goku, the smart way to do it would be to have Costumes just reference the original ID's stats so you don't have to do the same coding twice in the first place. That's how you avoid Terry misalignment situations

>>585825517
Congrats anon! Hope we might have been of help.
>>585825864
Why is she not purple here?

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Brazilian EVO also confirmed with KOFXV and COTW. But still want to know if they'll feature 2002 vanilla, UMs or other stuff as side tournaments.
Those prices are insane here. I think now I understand why people complain so much about EVO in Vegas.

>>585833540
I don't what they were thinking hosting this in a 3rd world country with those prices

>>585834345
owners are money grubbers, just like tko with wwe charging like upwards of 1000 dollars for tickets which is insane even by most sports standards
they will milk something dry and sell it off when it can't be milked and then abandon it to die for another business to do the same

>>585833065
>they still do it individually for every thing implemented in the game
How is that different for Strive characters? Even if they would link to Goku parameters as a reference point as opposed to straight copy, they would still have individual difference, just in a less human readable format.
>the smart way to do it would be to have Costumes just reference the original ID's stats so you don't have to do the same coding twice in the first place
Theoretically, it could work, but it would have to be a subset of stats and not all of them, as I'd imagine depending on how involved the costume is there might be additional animations and/or effects that would have to be tied to the actions.
Ultimately, I would just synchronize those ID stats at the toolset level rather than hardcoding links in the game.

>>585833540
>>585834345
They are throwing money away, competing at a loss.
The goal is to establish the EVO brand in every region as the most prestigious tournament there ideally BY DISPLACING the area’s existing, traditional tournaments and then transform the EWC into a REAL WORLD tournament© (recreating what the original EVO once was). That is why they’ve moved events to places like Paris (goodbye, UFA) and Singapore (goodbye, Tekken World Tour).
Ironically, they are effectively dethroning EVO, quite deliberately.

>>585835459
If you don't get how it's different, one is applying the differences onto the original base while the other is running a separate stream of code altogether. You do less checks doing the former. You run the character, then their differences, versus loading a separate character altogether. It means less coding because you're not running a separate Nightmare Geese file than the boss one, you'd be running hypothetically Rock->Nightmare Geese statistics. You don't need to code the default stuff like stage movement and action, you just need to code the hitboxes and moves. It trims down work, hypothetically you can make these individual slots, maybe that would be more "optimal" for a full game release but when you're adding content like DLC not needing to do checks for all of the base mechanics helps a lot

Still, it should be utilized for costumes at the very least. They shouldn't be tying base mechanics to models directly because that's why the "half as much time to make a new character" issue happens at all. That being said I have a suspicious feeling SF6 does the same shit because Arjun didn't even drop with a Drivetech slop alt

Panni waiting room

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>>585834345
>>585836301
>>585833540
They already reduced the prices after many people complaining. A lot better but still quite expensive compared to any other fighting game event here. These are BGS-tier prices.

>>585837305
*Nitori Kawashiro waiting room
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp-yuFXYNg4

you guys have used #ifdef and #ifndef in your code before, right
i mean those are preproc macros so they're not runtime based logic, but there's something more abstract that's being illustrated here

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*furina waiting room
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5VJ2RMwRAY

Revy waiting room

>>585837251
I see how it is different, but applied differences still should be stored somewhere, be it the same file or a separate one, so it is more or less the same amount of the code.
It is just that one approach is self sufficient and another takes magic numbers and modifies them according to the "patch".
>You don't need to code the default stuff like stage movement and action, you just need to code the hitboxes and moves.
I can't say anything here, because I haven't seen how CotW does that, but I imagine that you don't need to have a copy of an entire character like Goku to hard code the very basic character functionality like movement in the first place. It makes more sense to have those things as universal functions that characters would call to.
>They shouldn't be tying base mechanics to models directly because that's why the "half as much time to make a new character" issue happens at all.
That sounds like your own misreading of the situation. I imagine that coding the character in is the fastest part in comparison to modeling work and tweaking the animations (like if there's additional cloth stuff or if there's more parts that should move).
If anything, I'm surprised that it is just half as much time, because it is really most of the work.

>>585841624
stuff like hitboxes is not part of the animation, or it shouldn't be, or active frame timing either
animations are a front end representation of the act taking place, but are not necessarily tied to mechanics
you can fully represent anything in the backend of cotw's code with vectored stick figures, simple shapes like spheres joined together, or even a single static bitmap that never animates, and still retain all the LOGIC part (hitboxes, hurtboxes, frame data, etc) without compromise, and if your code cannot do that, your code already fails

and that's the thing, it was the PROPERTIES of moves being disparate between costumes, not necessarily animations which apparently according to mai shiranui, they didn't even tweak adjusting her pants?

the only things that should be different outside cloth physics which should be defined in the model's own data files independently, are the specific animations unique to each costume and not the base animations that can work with both versions, and that is not some impossibility in programming to make happen

alba waiting room

>>585836301
For Brazil, I don't remember any other event happening around that time of the year (holy week). Most of the big fighting game events (Komitê, Treta and such) are usually on the second half of the year.

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Tsugumi waiting room.

>>585842692
Animations should be tied to character frames and frames naturally should represent a certain state that the character is mechanically in, so there absolutely should be some kind of link to the mechanical part. And depending on a costume, there might be a different amount of those links making it a mess that would potentially make the game miss a tick of game logic, even if it was done in a way that ArcSys does this shit.
>and that's the thing, it was the PROPERTIES of moves being disparate between costumes, not necessarily animations which apparently according to mai shiranui, they didn't even tweak adjusting her pants?
In all honesty, it seems more like alternate Mai was rushed, going by the second part and Terry being more polished. I bet that properties being different might be a part of future patch in the state that is currently mid development.
What can I say, it's probably for the best that the regular Mai wasn't affected thanks to the costume being treated as a separate character.

>>585845652
>Animations should be tied to character frames
not necessarily
you're not going to extend or contract an animation based on its frame properties either, it'll look jank
which means you should time one to the other
animations are a collection of moving the bones of the model around in specific ways and since bones are vector math based just like meshes and matrix operations performed on such, it shouldn't be too much trouble to have that be portable across almost all bodies

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Li Xiangfei waiting room.

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>>585839569
balalaika waiting room

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Aqua waiting room.

>>585847791
I still like that idea of a Isekai Quartet team for KOF.

>>585766704
Knock yourself out
https://x.com/EnergyJPx/status/2114928287407591641

>>585849552
FUTURE IS NOW!!

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Alice waiting room.

>>585837305
>>585844894
>>585846791
>>585850207
>xiangfei, panni, tsugumi, and kasumi next year.

Gonna be a zoovie!

>>585850936
now post the "other" pic

>people still think it's panni and not some guestshit

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https://x.com/Napoleon_FGC/status/2115126324020793529
>Fightcade folks asking the organizers why there won't be KOF 2002 at the event. Evo Brazil:
>Don't touch me!
>Filthy KOF2002 player!

none of victory quotes against guests have been in the data mines, you fucking idiot.

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>>585801163
>The Vegeta Jin bro was training under Tung no, just give him his bulk up moves
First thing that came to mind

says the retard who doesn't know that kenshiro's quotes have been there since day 1. what a fucking moron LOL

>>585868280
Welp, new guest here.

>>585868432
>>585868432
wrong, dumbass.

you embrassing moron take a look at the archives before replying. and kill yourself afterwards.

>>585858070
Yes, you're right. It's Sailor Jupiter.

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>>585824719
>>585825049
>>585832773
>>585833065
This is crazy stupid and inefficient, did Harada not tell these guys that they don't need to redo fucking everything for basic costumes? How do they figure that Tekken was able to have a bunch of different outfits and cosmetics, and these guys have been in touch with Tekken team as far back as KOFXIV.

>>585868687
They would never add a Dragon Ball guest because that would actually be popular with the target audience

>>585876957
he really is making excuses of stupid amateurs
oh but *i* don't understand whatever development

>>585879364
It's just such an unnecessary development tax for little gain that people might not fully notice (the sound effects) this is the same mindset that led to XII-XIII going overbudget.

>>585879550
there's a southern saying, as i've said in the past, that reflects this scenario, and i always use it
going around your ass to get to your elbow
if anyone doesn't know what it means just from reading it
it goddamn means (should be obvious) doing things the (needlessly) longer or harder way instead of doing things the normal way to reach the same result, ie you're making it harder or take longer than it should have been had you done it a more proper way
trying to think of a good example outside this circumstance because shit like that doesn't usually enter my stratosphere but let's say you could literally walk two buildings down, it's not even but 500 feet, but instead of walking, you get into your car and driver over to the parking lot next to that building just to go inside
not only did you waste gas, you probably could have simply walked to the building and gotten there faster without all the prep time of starting your car, driving, and then parking and exiting the vehicle

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Fio!
https://x.com/velune9999/status/2114512303777345922

Who will Reina rape first?

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>>585891751
Nobody. Hotaru is the rapist.

>>585876957
I asked AI and it said yeah it’s better to have skins as separate characters in few cases
>if you have a small cast and plan to add only a few skins
>a dedicated skin management system requires you to build inventory databases and a data layer logic
Basically snk never planned to add many skins in the first place as we already know, they planned it for special occasions but the heavy demands made them change their minds.
It’s retarded and shows how outdated this company is, and they always prefer to take shortcuts.

They were so confident that the game would sell that they never bothered with skins even though there’s entire games that make profit only by selling them lol

SNK won (again)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98ws7T_vAGM

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>>585900075
Mai won (again)

Max said he doesn't like Rock anymore because of COTW damn.

Max said 2XKO is making ALL the right choices.

So will Season 4 actually have Fatal Fury characters this time?

>>585902953
This game needs another member from Kim's family.

>>585903351
Kim Possible incoming.

Samsho movie leaked!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViB-tNb2K_k

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>>585900075
>>585900847
If costumes wouldn't be so complicated to make for this game, I would say they should have made a partnership with hololive to have a Laplus costume.
I wonder if SNK Heroines is done the same way since each character had 3 costumes.

based on that gameimpress interview they don't intend on slowing down with the dlc. looks like we're getting 12 characters next year as well

>>585902258
>Says he doesn't care about Rock anymore because he stopped being edgy
>Rock still does the "my evil blood" special win pose if you win the match with Raging Storm
It's more like Max doesn't care about anything SNK since he just wants to repeat what chat says (chat doesn't play SNK games btw) over forming his own opinions.
And this retard wants Rock in Tekken 8? lol

>>585917418
>It's more like Max doesn't care about anything SNK
and he never really did and never really will
at least until snk steps up its game because all it has is "muh number of dlcs per year" for
>one game
and how many of those in the dlc even really get anyone to give a shit about anything other than its nerd core fanbase, if that

>>585917418
https://streamable.com/gamf4q

Clip from EVO France btw, literally just a few weeks ago. Rock even references his evil blood against fucking MIKEY: "You definitely don't have evil blood like mine... But something about you still feels familiar."
It almost like Max doesn't even play Rock's game, huh?

>>585917418
>>585919032
Hate to affirm anything Maximilian says but he's right, there was more to Rock's edginess as character than just a win pose you know.

>>585926846
Yeah he was more emo before.
Good riddance.

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>>585926846
It was just a phase. He's less chunni now.

i love angel

>>585930641
This but Whip

>>585917418
I hate max but if you play motw yes rock was way cooler there. It’s not only about edginess, Rock had that mysterious aura about him which completely disappeared in cotw. He was looking for purpose and the story really presented a potential path for him to become evil if Kain influenced him which keeps you interested.
To make it simple Rock in motw was like Sasuke, while in cotw he becomes the boruto version.

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>>585930641
me too

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>>585932728
This is just a general problem with fighting game storytelling I noticed. Characters tend to get presented completely differently in the gameplay than the actual story. Rock isn't really that inconsistent in MotW cutscenes between is CotW version, but if you see his gameplay exclusively then he probably comes across "cooler" than his actual character. Rock doesn't have an ounce of some what some of the worst SNK winquotes offer (picrel) because of his inner turmoil. One of the worst examples of this is Strive because half the Strive characters will have stories that almost completely contradict their gameplay selves because the stories take place "after" the gameplay incarnation

It's kind of outstanding how little fighting game devs seem capable of presenting their ideas. Characters build entire fanbases off of their designs and actions and then someone actually reads the lore and wonder "do the creators even understand the appeal?"

>>585933870
>Anon literally explains how rock's story in motw is what made him interesting
>Yeah bruv it's just a gameplay thing that's totally not how he was in motw
SNK fanboys are just fucking stupid huh

>>585902258
>>585917418
He's right. Rock is uncool and lame now, just like basically everything SNK does these days. None of these characters nor worlds look appealing/cool with these guys working on them. They're ugly, toothless, and flaccid. Only other companies can make these characters feel cool. Like Geese in Tekken.

>>585936847
I think the stupid mf is the one that gets hype over Mystery Box shit

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>>585930986
Ikari girls for Metal Slug 8!
https://x.com/non_road/status/2079201091359748356

>>585938993
You are low IQed. Don't reply to me.

>>585942283
I notice the people who try to say "you're low IQ" in this thread tend to be the one with the worst takes or have the most off kilter expectations altogether because they have no functional basis for their arguments

>>585942837
You don't even understand the basis of the argument presented in the first place so there's no discussion to be had. You are, as I mentioned, clearly too extremely stupid to figure that out though.

>>585824719
>They program new costumes as new characters for some reason
Those of us paying attention from 2016, already knew this. Now you know why some people make fun of nu SNK's backwards design and choices. Not a "go back to 2d!" guy, but remember when the cope was
>3D is easier and less expensive to make costumes for. Costumes recoup costs"
Yeah, turns out that was bullshit, like some of us knew all along. Cause they barely to rarely make them, and when they do, they're 'redrawing' the entire character anyway.

>>585944862
XIV had a lot of costumes compared to their latter UE titles. They probably still can't utilize it as well as they should, which yes speaks of their incompetence considering it's been 3 games since they've made the switch by now.

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>>585824719
>Seemingly they considered adding Iori but it was scrapped

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>>585945161
Oh yeah, XIV and SNK Heroines had more costumes than the post-UE games.
Samsho had how many again? I know some stayed as japanese-exclusive.

>>585824719
>Seemingly they considered adding Iori but decided against since it would blur the differences between FF and KOF
That's not what they said. Iori was never considered and they were against it in the first place for the reason mentioned.

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Seems like only SNK doesn't understand what they've butchered with COTW.

I literally don't give a fuck what Max (or any other tourist larper like him think), SNK could make the next SamSho the edgiest game ever, and Max will still not play it.

I forgot to mention that everyone who doesn't eat up everything SNK puts out is a larper tourist.

>>585959495
Did Max ever play Samsho?
But yeah, I don't give a fuck about him. I just wish SNK gave more support to Samsho7. Rollback still could be better and no crossplay.

>>585959495
only larper tourists dickride cotw faggot

>>585944862
>>3D is easier and less expensive to make costumes for. Costumes recoup costs"
>Yeah, turns out that was bullshit, like some of us knew all along. Cause they barely to rarely make them, and when they do, they're 'redrawing' the entire character anyway.
In theory yes, but if you're SNK who was retarded enough to not create a database layered system specifically for outfits then yes it would be much harder

>>585933870
That's a cool ass win quote. It gets the job done in making you hate him which is what they were aiming for.

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>>585968495
SNK were really good at trash talk, especially during the early Playmore era. They haven't hit the same since XIV. You just had Kukri and the occasional quip, but nothing ever legitimately severe. I think that's what they thought they were doing with Vox's Reaganomics quote

Old people are just too aware of their identity to want to do things. Meanwhile all the fresh talent is bad and stuck doing the boring gruntwork (poorly)

>>585958156
not really

>>585977247
yes really

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https://x.com/anime_/status/2115443473759318439
Crazy how this still looks better than everything Obari works on nowadays

>>585968896
>SNK were really good at trash talk
it wasn't that they were good, it was that the things that were said were so baffling and absurd that they would be meme-viable
you spoony bard

>>585900075
>>585900847
>>585913214
Isn't this the same girl that had a huge controversy a few weeks ago?