>News, Dev Blogposts & Podcasthttps://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/>Patch Noteshttps://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-forever-beta-development-notes-%E2%80%93-updated-october-26/2360696/8>Talent Calculatorhttps://wowforevertalents.com/>DatesName Reservations open now for skyborne pack purchasers.The journey begins on November 4previous >>586564052
rogues won
>release the patch notes as im getting ready for bed Nyooo... now im too excited to sleep.
ITS OVER
if you care about game balance you're a pajeetsimple as
>>586572059every other class? the raped
where's the fucking calculator
Yeah cool very cool anon no but seriously where the fuck is the updated Rogue calculator.
So we're all going PvE alliance now?
Do you still level as Combat? Sub seems super bursty for killing random world mobs with Ghostly Strike giving another Ambush
>mfw i'm a rogue and i tell people not to worry and that the new changes to the class aren't that good so they don't jump ship to the pve server
Hunters won
OGRES
>Yeah bro I'm rolling on the pve server
>>586572087>rogue gets nothing for 4 patches (busy stacking expose armor) and then finishes with a 5 point eviscerate crit right before launchI hate rogues but you have to admit it's kino
>>586572163How do you plan on ambushing mobs facing you anon?
Sex with Skelfs!
>>586572127after tonight, yes
It's no longer classic+
i've probably played the alliance like 10% of my total time in wow.but i know all about the human starting story arc, where the gnolls and kobolds are working with the defias, and you've got the deadmines and it all links back to the guilds that rebuilt stormwind, and there's some connection with onyxia and the nobility. it's really good.but i don't have any serious memory of any of the other stories. as an undead, why am i looting these pumpkins? as an orc, what's the deal with these burning blade guys? as a tauren what exactly are these quillboar doing here?i just don't really remember what the purpose was for any of it.
You can't convince me that Blizzard didn't just give up and decide "Fuck it, let's feed them to the Rogues, whiny little bitches, I've had enough of this shit".
>Yeah bro I'm rolling on the RP-PvE server
>>586572276It's classic ++
>>586572163Yeah for sure. Mobs should take ~the same time to kill so combat will still just have better survivability. I think a switch later to sub might be an option once stealth isnt slow as fuck.
Real vanilla 2500 player cap realms are better than megaservers.
did they really remove salv?
You're about to take the enemy flag and this mother fucker just got buffed. What do you do?
fuck fuck FUCK is horde available on RP and PvE? Or do they force pop balancing there too
>>586572332we have no clue since the game isn't live
>>586572250With gouge, the same way I backstab them
>>586572310Dual wield combat got buffed back to its original 50% offhand.
>>586572358guess ill just fucking die
>>586572187>>mfw i'm a rogue and i tell people not to worry
Bros I'm hyped
>>586571934>Shank>RS>Tea>Renatakis>Shadowcraft>Increases the duration of your Rupture ability by 6 seconds and your Garrote ability by 9 secondsI CANT HANDLE ALL THIS ENERGY
>Gnome Rogue now the most busted thing in the gameJust like I remember things...
>enh sham on his way to kill you in 1 global
I am in complete aweWhat the fuck, 2 saps? Does Blizzard not understand how broken this isRogue is going to 2 shot any leather/cloth class without needing to use a vanish…
>>586572385no, why would they?
>>586572402Its also 2 points instead of 5.
>>586572391yeah no clue whatsoever it's not like it's in the official patch notes or anything
>>586572358travel form + LAP
So with these shaman changes is Troll now the better Horde pick with the haste stacking? Or is orc still better?
>removed lava burstI wanted to go ele shaman, but what the fuck are they doing now lmao. should i play shaman or priest with my warrior friend on pvp server? plan on raiding as healer
>>586572358Very relatedhttps://x.com/nickmacncheese/status/2117391076885418028/video/1?s=61
OH NO A ROGUE KILLED ME AND I LOST ABSOLUTELY NOTHING EXCEPT MY PRIDE BECAUSE THERE ARE ZERO STAKES AND ZERO RATED PVP
>only 4% of players are going to RP realmsBros, will I still be able to get into a guild and raid and do BGs for ranks and 'cheevos if not that many people play RP?
>>586572187>>586572414Fuck you guys. This is bullshit and you know it
>>586572526>ignoring time, the most precious thing ever
>>586572508Removing lava burst is objectively a good change. It did nothing. It was just a random button you would have to press rotationally that had no synergies with anything.
Ominous.
>improved ghost wolf moved down in shaman talent tree>pathfinding moved down in hunter talent treeThe devs are DESPERATE to make Plainsrunning a relevant racial
Elemental Shaman status: FIXEDwe goin home ele bros
>>586572489nothing magical happens when you stack hasteif anything the more haste you have the more valuable other stats become
>>586572358woah! hold on guys! there is a cute guy with poison on his blades in front of us
pvplets feeling threatened that no one wants to play on their server except other pvpers
>>586572563you're playing world of warcraft, you have never valued your own time
>>586572283There's that one singular 3 part questline Hidden Enemies in Durotar.
>>586572526WITHOUT THAT I'M NOTHING ON THE SERVER
>>586572530are you willing to earn your spot in the raid properly? and then get sunk cost blackmailed into continuing to keep your position in the guild?
>>586572283Human quest 90% finishedDwarf quest 100% finishedGnome quest 100% finished at lvl 30Night Elf quest 20% finishedOrc quest 15% finishedTauren quest 5% finishedTroll quest 0% finishedUndead quest 40% finished
Why couldn't they just add new content without going full spaghetti?
>>586572698go away discord tranny
ALEXENSUAL RUNS THIS GENERAL
Playing from aus should I roll NA anyway or will it not matter with the sharding?
>>586572607Can't wait to reduce people to fucking ash once again as God intended.
>half the thread is IT'S OVER posting>the other half is WE'RE BACK postingall is as it should be
>>586572526pvp players are sounding an awful lot like they don't actually like pvp after all...
>rogues can now 1v3 with ease
Changing Rogue in a way that makes them fun again is a buff to Humans.Im gonna be so pissed if theres more of them this time around
RoguePVP serverSimple as.
>>586572598>sod forever>druid dead>need patch
>Warrior>Defensive Stance: Threat bonus increased from 30% to 80%.Huh? Arms still lacking for PvE but Fury got some nice changes
crazy how fast this thread went from clowning on rogues to glazing them kekw
>>586572598>rogue buffs forever, retail gamesounds about right
>make thread>walk away for hour to cook>come back>it's already past bump limit and next one is going
Hey buddy I'm still here waiting for the Rogue calculator.
>>586572787>night elf females following orc men at night
>>586572563I realised my time is worthless anyway, I was never going to achieve anything of worth.>t. 36yo khhv mediocre alround.
>>586572741even if you roll OCE you can still play with amerilards. You'll be put on their servers though
>>586572793everyone is doing like 60% more damage now, threat values for all tanks were buffed to compensate
>>586572332yeah salv is gay (for faggots)
>>586572508they didn't know what to do with with lava burst to make it not dogshit and just removed it, and buffed LB and CL in the process to make up for it
>>586572839SARRRRR
>>586572807>crazy how fast this thread went from clowning on rogues to glazing them kekwliteral peanut take, the class was completely overhauled
I mean Thats one way to fix the layering issue. Half the server is going to be in stealth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRAgSNTcyDwthread theme
rogues get double sap and a speed boost on a two point talent
>>586572741You can only roll NA, you get OCE shards
>>586572750
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, rogues being good make the game less fun for everyone else.
>>586572832will the spam ever end?
>>586572530Random polls are not really accurate but even so, 4% of 8m characters made during beta (which required buy-in) is 320k characters. That's like 10+ retail realms combined, at least.It's going to be completely fine.
>>586572598I WILL NOT
i'm happy with these arms changes. bloodthrill being a 2 pointer is really nice, 10 second slam too.
>>586572839me not that kind of orc
>>586572526Getting ganked activates my bullying ptsd and I go on a mentally ill corpse camping revenge quest. Last time someone ganked me I stalked them behind hills for 10 minutes and waited until them and their friend were low on mana and bursted them both down. Then I waited for them to res and did it again.Their first gank didn't even succeed because I counterspelled and killed them before they could finish their cast. They still needed to be punished for the attempt.
Man they really need to buff UndeadWotF does nothing against 6 classes. Touch from the Grave isn't even noticeable.
>>586572647>>586572847i don't like the warcraft part cutting into my time enjoying the world part, if there was camping protection that disabled pvp for and against you for like 10 minutes it'd be okay maybe, pvpers shouldn't have to complain about finding a new target instead of killing the same guy over and over methinks
>>586572087never give paladin mains creative control over banillafire zierhutfire aggrend these fucking idiots have no business in classicgo play retail faggots
>>586572915People will be grouping up in 4s and 5s just to not get raped by rogues. That's gonna be fun desu
>>586572904>doubletriple
>>586572598making retarded
Imagine playing anything other than rogue, pvp or pve
>>586572904You dont even have to spend 2 points. 1 point gets you double sap and 15% ms. The other point gives another 15% ms.
>game isn't out yet and every class is getting low levels damage buffs so levelling is now tenfold easierConfirmed PvP ruleset is the only way to actually have a game that isn't retailslop with a different coat of shitAnyone rolling PvE is a certified subhuman faggot that enjoy eating shit
>>586572954same, i just hope their dps competes with fury so it comes down to preference instead of being denied groups by parsefaggots
why are redditors saying imp ghost wolf was op when travel form is just better ghost wolf you get for free
>New Spell Added: Shank. Learned at level 24. 5 Energy cost. 10 second cooldown. Melee range. Instantly strike with your off-hand weapon, dealing 50% weapon damage and generating 15 Energy. Shank cannot Miss. Rank 2 learned at level 44 and generates 25 Energy.why isn't it just shiv if it's the same thing
>>586573006no, retard
>>586573032>your capstone death mark can just be removed by orcs, mages and druidshow embarrassing kek
Worst part about them making Rogue a functional class is that thirdies will now pick the class.
>>586572878i just find the idea of reversing it and having a buff amazonian night elf woman following a kinda slow and pudgy orc peon type funny>>586572971kek
>>586572598>retard mode active>gay removed
>>586573041seethe, rogue. you shan't be wasting my time
>>586572742I'll be right there with you sasuke ele bro
>>586573041bgs still exist with resetting honor grind every few months or something
>A sizeable group of friends and acquaintances want to play WOW Forever>I haven't played WOW since like 2009 but I want to hang out with them still>Got locked in as a Hunter>As time goes on I feel like I don't want to play as a Hunter even with it being supposedly very strong>IDK it just seems kinda boring compared to the magic users and Paladin>But everyone else is pretty much locked in on the other classes with doubles and I'm the only one who chose HunterWill I still have fun with the game or will the next month or two be pretty much a glorified podcast
>>586573076was gonna say the same thing last thread>just take expansion abilities, 1:1, then rename them>hell maybe even throw on a new icon!
>>586573032>playing druid on pvpoh no no no no roguesissies what do we do?
>>586573032based but i'm playing femhumie
You niggers are such fomo retards. These changes are nice but it's basically the same shit. Multisap is an absolute nothingburger you will use once in a blue moon.
They could legitimately remove half the rogue changes and it would still be broken.
>>586573076>>586573185private server tier ideas from the billion dollar company
>>586573213>Multisap is an absolute nothingburgerits much worse than you realiseit should be removed actually
>don't care about racials>don't care about minmaxing>don't care about discord trannies>don't care about wowfg doomposters>got 5 days off from the 5th to the 9th>RP realmset>Tauren resto druid>snacks and drinks are ready>blanky is ready>cocoa is ready>it's cold, dark and rainy outside>I'm comfy under my blanky, fully submerged in the gameAnd neither nothing nor noone is going to ruin it for me.
>>586573180absolutely do NOT play a class based off of what other people pick. Most of them wont even make it to level 20. Pick what you find most interesting
>>586573180RPPVP btw
Just got off the phone with Aggrend, what he forgot to mention in the patch notes was that rogue white damage was reduced 60%
>>586573041PvE players are tourists, most of this general is tho tbf>>586573163bgs are dogshit retard tier
>>586573213
>>586571960Riptide is a pointless talent now. Looks like I’ll be rolling priest
Playing hardcore with two saps is basically never dying ever
Yes warriors are shit tier now, don't play themGo play feral and Ret instead
>>586573076Shiv applies your offhand poison and does nothing else. That's entirely different ability from Shiv.
What kind of food do we need to buy for Aggrend so he reverts this patch?
>>586573213>>586572187Fuck off you disingenuious rogue niggers.
>>586573237if they add steady shot to hunters they'll be officially bankrupt creatively
>Defensive Stance: Threat bonus increased from 30% to 80%.so is threat a joke now? this is just retail now.
>>586573347Donut
>>586572087>hunter bottom 2This has got to be a joke, right?>>586572426>buffed rogues so the overpopulated Horde PVP playerbase gets buttfucked by gnome rogues>>586573339Put on the shield brownie.
>>586573129Lol wasn't even considering rolling one Learn to adapt and group up with other people if you are getting 1v5 you are not alone getting 1v5 likely so equalize it and team up to have 5v5But you want retail experienceHell i might even just fuck off myself now, game is clearly going towards the retailslop approach as kinda expected but was hopefull for once
>shamans giga buffed>everyones focused on rogues instead>shamans will still be needed for everything>mfw a shaman before the changes even happened and its now god tier and flying under the radaryes anon. play a rogue/druid/paladin.
>>586573404salv is gone
>>586573347Salad.
>>586573404And yet some warriors will still never click thundercap so it won't matter
So its one thing to defend against a rogue nowImagine trying to take a node from a rogue. Having 1 rogue on 2 nodes while the rest of your team fights the third. You would need like 4 people to take it in a reasonable time.
>>586573404Thats just salv>But salv is 30% and thats 50%Learn how threat works god damn this threads retarded
>>586573404no salv+ every dps will have 30% higher damage output
so now that rogue has went from C tier to S tier, which class has taken the throne as The Raped
>>586573432shaman getting buffed doesnt really do anything other than make them less in demand
>>586573432Yeah ghost wolf moved to lv26 will legit make thousands go another class lmao
>Windfury Weapon now causes the Shaman to animate an additional weapon swing attack.>Windfury Totem now causes the player to animate an additional weapon swing attack.literally the only important change in the patch notes and i'm so glad they didn't forget to fix it
>>586573404>still not enough to hold aggro when rogue presses any button
>>586573540What does Warlock even do?
>>586573540Mage and lock
>>586573540warrior
Ele shamans be like>THEY CHANGED OUR TWO BUTTON ROTATION BACK TO THE OLD TWO BUTTON ROTATION, WE HECKIN WON!
Undecided between these two prot pally builds. First one's a bit more focused on mana efficiency since losing Holy Conduit hurts, while we also lost improved seal of fury. Mana felt fine with those in the beta but we don't have that now. Plus utility from 15% movement and refreshing every judgement with Sacred Arbiter.Second one's more damage and I see it's what that sim site uses, but it's based on a 2 minute fight and might slow shit down with the poorer mana efficiency, could become a problem in some longer fights too.
>>586573540Druid
>PVE>Warrior>Alliance
>>586573569Healthstones and summons
>>586573540Warrior? From only tank to worst tank is kinda brutal.
But did they get rid of poison charges? Rogues still cucked if not.
>>586573595This is good news
>enter thread>ctrl+f rogue>stay
>>586571960What is the RP PvP server going to be like, long term?>muh trannies>muh aspiesyeah yeah yeah I know I know but I think one of my alts will be on the RP-PvP server and I want to know what to expect.
>Developers’ notes: We’ve used the data and feedback gathered during Beta testing to get everything tuned to a reasonable place. However, the only true test of that tuning is the game itself. With the exception of bugs and serious outliers, we don’t plan on making big tuning changes between now and the opening of the raids next month. Once we have sufficient data from players leveling past 30 and engaging in a wide range of content, we expect that we will do a large tuning pass based on our data. And this is all merely a starting point for the classes in Forever, which will continue to evolve over the course of the months and years ahead just as they did following the original launch in 2004.No more patches until Raid in December. Enjoy double sap LOL!
>>586573540Still the druid.
>We TOTALLY want to support Shockadin alongside Seal twisting!>*Deletes Shockadin two days before launch*
If you hate PvP servers so much then why do you love doing chat PvP in the thread?
>>586573697how do they not have any foresight?
Warrior is the worst class in the game now
>>586573213people think Rogues have infinite energy and dont realize they'll be at basically 0 after double sapping
>>586573093it's a pretty shit pvp talent. thousand cuts with the rest of the changes would essentially make hemorrhages free
>he rolled anything other than rogue
>>586573604
>>586573432Shaman never goes that popular ever
They probably should have reduced shadowform to the middle of the tree or something. Its going to be complete cock and ball torture to level a priest now with the changes to mob hp.
>>586573595You lost. WE won. Kneel to your shaman bulls.
>>586572480they'll stealth patch every class again tomorrow
All the streamers are going to reroll
>>586573639They've been increased by 50% or more depending on poison and there's a talent that effectively doubles it again. Poison duration might actually run out before charges do.
>>586573778good, less fotm faggots shitting up my class
classes I will gank on sight all the way to 60:Rogue, Warlock, Feral Druids (Moonkins are fine), Fury/Dual Wielding Warriors, Hunters (unless they have a sovl pet like a Bear)
Bros there is legitimately someone in these past 2 threads that is malding because lava burst is gone.That spell was fucking ass dude, nobody wanted it in its current iteration.
>>586573637warrior is still the best tank i'm afraid
>no fuck you we wont do rp pvp>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WE WANT RP PVP NOW>fine here's your fucking rp pvp>release these changes afterwards causing people to abandon ship on pvp as a wholebravo blizzard
>>586573767shut the fuck up sparkle, you dumb whore
>>586573887kek no it's not. prot pally dominates
>2 days left and still can't decide on ally or hordeDo I orc shaman for shaman things or be a NE huntard stealthed in the forests?
>>586573767>>586573918*spank*
>>586573747Looks fine to me. Go ahead and explain what changed for it other than losing 10% int
>wowhead talent calc still not updated
Only pussy faggots are gonna abandon pvp.Remember! It's a fresh server. Rogues won't be outleveling that much.
>>586573884>this post brought to you by a pinksissyall those classes can kill you on sight minus warrior
Quitting pvp is tranny behavior
So which site is going to be the non lazy one and update their shit first?
>>586573628PvPUndeadRogue
I need more content creator slop
>>586573978go to google and roll a d201-10 shaman11-20 night elf
I can't wait for pug vs pug BGs brosIt's finally here
>>586574065>left is trying to configure the AI to update it for him>right is too fucking lazy to do the one job they have
>>586573415I always had the shieldBut thats trash too, so noone go warrior - save yourselves.
>>586574065https://talentsforever.com/rogue
How are we looking Warlocks?Seems they want to kill starting a duel just to farm soul shards off of someone while they stand there. Will the demon hp nerf make a difference, I heard they were beefy. Is Wrack a usable capstone talent now? Is the buff to destro enough to take it over demo?
>>586574005im gonna power level up fast a warlock, free mount, get as much gold as possible, hit 60, then fuel resources into leveling a rogue.
>>586574102For the alliance it is then
>>586574068sovl
reddits calling it sod 2 dead on arrival
>>586574156>Is the buff to destro enough to take it over demo?no
>Shaman was going to be the second character I created>Now I'm struggling so fucking hard and wanting it to be the firstFuckShitFuckShitFuckShitI dunno what to do. New Shaman looks sooooooooooooooooo damn fun.
>>586572973You forgot your face when, Anakin
>>586574148this site was good at first because it was being updated quickly, then he just turned it into a bloated piece of shit for zero good reason
>>586574248>redditYou need to go back.
Madseason won
>>586574156>that pet giga nerfI mean 7.5 per stam was over the line, now it's just tepid
Death Mark + Coup de Grace Double-Dip (almsot 2x multipler) is so unreal good it has to be an anomaly the devs probably didn’t catch.>Increasing the damage done by your Eviscerate ability by 20%, and the damage AND storage rate of your Death Mark ability by 20%>Eviscerate fed to DM (with +20% CdG and +15% Aggression = 1.38x base): 1.38 × 1.20 × 1.20 = 1.987x.sounds like it would be getting nearly double damage on Eviscerates stored inside death mark...
>>586574248the beta was a mistake
>>586574228night elf hunter is a good choice. 2% run speed and that 1% dodge comes in clutch sometimes in PvP, dodging a crucial ability is cool.10% crit 3 min cd 15 sec ability is giga big for hunter.Move quicker while dead, good in general.Shadowmeld is basically really good in PvP to avoid a nasty spell (frost mages frost bolt while you're novad) etc.
>>586574297>he only reads 4chan for news and commentary
>>586574258SIX SECOND STORMSTRIKE
>>586574312Hemo being 20 energy with Shank giving 2CP is going to be Eviscerate city
>leveling as prot pally on pvp servergood or bad idea?
>>586574348you can read the news on the official post and reddit commentary is worthless
Hype?
>>586574348You have enough people here pretending to be retarded, no need to read sources where people actually believe the retarded shit they post.
I have a feeling there's going to be way too many paladins on Horde side, and nowhere near enough Paladins on Alliance side
THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING
>>586574421so is 4chins.
>>586574312>cleanses your death mark Heh nothing personal ki->gets stunned again and dies to the second death mark before cleanse is up
>>586574442this but for real this time
>>586574426
>>586574248Well, yes?Now every class should be able to aggro 4+ mobs at once with ease.
inb4 incubus still has more HP than succubus
THEY ACTUALLY FIXED ELEMENTAL SHAMANLIGHTNING BOYS WE'RE SO BACK
>>586574401Right? so many possibilities with rogue play now
blizzard must address mop
>>586574478YOU NEED TO KNOW "THIS" BEFORE WOW FOREVER LAUNCHES
>>586574558They're mopping up MOP as we speak bwo.
>>586574437There are always enough pinkies, don't worry
>>586574156>Nerfed soul shards for no reason>Wreck buff is almost nothing including the drain nerf>Demon HP is gutted, will likely die to a single ambush now>Destro is closer to competitive with DemoMostly bad changes
why would you play on a pvp server if the balancing is this much of a jokehave fun dying lol
Now that Forever is confirmed flop and dead on arrival, when are we getting WoD Classic?
>>58657443740% of the game will be pinkies39% of them ret
>>586574348>he's a redditor
TOP TEN PRE LAUNCH PATCH NOTES THAT WILL CHANGE WOW FOREVER.. FOREVER!
outside of hydra there is really no priest streamers huh
>>586574630cuz im the guy who makes people dieyaknow?
Clothcucks get the rope now
>>586574630NOOOO MY WORLD PVP RATING IS GOING TO TANK HARD BECAUSE OF THIS FUCK YOU BLIZZARD
>>586574437Paladin is always super popular.
>>586574426ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY AND THE HOPE IS ALL GONE
ALEXENSUAL RUNS CLASS DISCORD SERVERS
>Elemental>Mostly uses lightning
It was really nice of Blizzard to end the beta and then making gigantic sweeping untested changes to half the classes right before launch
>>586574653i also scroll x, instagram reels and tiktok.
>>586574730>searing totemhappy now
>arrive at Grom'Gol Base Camp>every single guard and vendor is sapped
>>586574668yea. even the e-girls switched off priest they all play dps and have simps funnel them full bis
>>586574774>you look up>the sun is sapped
>>586574756Built for BWC and BWC only
>>586574730>"Storm, earth, and fire, heed my call!">no earth(quake)>no fire
>>586574442Actually... it changes nothing.
>>586574831Uhh sis? You are totems?
>Rogue>PVP
>>586574730>>586574831they should give ele fissure from diablo 2
>>586574774>try to escape, sitting on platform>zeppelin in the horizon>gets sapped
>>586574871Man I wish I could make Shaman a walking totem. And by that I mean wear a war totem harness.
Bros they nerfed all healers except holy priest. Are we ready for healer shortage
>>586574730Whilst I understand earth wind and fire and all that jazz but just give me palpatine.
The patch notes made me so excited I gave myself a headache... ueh... I cant fucking wait anymore.
>>586574774>look to your left>the guy next to you gets sapped>look to your right>the other guy next to you gets sapped
game is unplayableDead on arrivalsee you back in retail
i don't mind the sap spam because i'm the only warrior that knows to always be in zerker stance while riding around
>>586574949There will always be enough feminine fags to play healer
>>586574523>These elemental changes are INSANE>Top 10 things you NEED to know about the shaman update>We have THIS much POWER now?!>This changes EVERYTHINGIt's like picking up a supermarket magazine at the cashier line
>>586574949>the 5 people rolling horde priest are now rolling roguewe need everyone to roll troll, it's the only way we'll have heals on horde
>>586574630why is it a joke?
>buffs the shit out of prot warrior>againI’m not complaining but jesus what is going on?
Rename Elemental to StormcallerEnhancement to FarseerRestoration to Splashy Boy
>>586574893>not Molten Boulder
>>586574831cata ele would've been so kino
>>586574156>already one of the most tedious classes>massive quality of life nerfWhat was Blizzard thinking?
>>586575049every tank got the threat buffs.
>>586575049it literally only got the same threat buff the other tanks got to compensate for everyone doing more damage and salvation being removed from the game
>>586573041stop trying to get people to buy your pvp bag
>>586574949that priest is about to be gaped going to the dungeon when all 4 of his part gets sapped
Resto shaman capstone being Rejuve on a 12 second cd is just asinine. All the other shaman changes are fine but how did they justify this in their meetings internally?
>>586575136can't wait for my pets to die to one scattershot
>>586575136there should be more qol nerfs for every class.
>>586575101they had volcano in wc3 too
>>586574523Actually they killed the class even harder than before by moving improved ghost wolf down.
>>586573767I know a guy who said he hates PvP servers because of gankers, then told me he wacked someone over the head in a cyber cafe and got banned from it. Mentally ill people I swear
>>586575136>when the meme you made is posted on other boards
>>586575225Gotta prop up holy priest apparently.
>>586575230multi shot and nade should do it
>>586572607I've been bitching about lava burst ruining ele since wrath. 18 fucking years later and they finally killed that dogshit spell. I don't even know how to react.Maybe things are going to be alright after all.
>>586574156>Master’s StaminaCertainly an interesting choice of words. Not “player’s”, not “warlock’s”. Nooticing.
>>586575225could be worse. hunter has rend for one of their capstone talents
>>586575225Trvst Thv Plvn
>Machine gun shaman with procs proc'ing procs>1 rank Wrack scaling with levelare we retail yet?
>>586575307How's WWE nowadays? Still shit?
>Make it a little easier to farm shards as a QoL buff to warlocks since they gotta do the most bullshit inbetween content>decide last minute 'nah fuck that' and remove it someone at blizz is fucking furious warlocks won the duel tourny
>>586575148I look like this and do this
>>586574437Undead paladin numbers will drop hard as people realize the gear looks bad on them.
i assume people group up more in hardcore?
>>586575328Keyed
>>586575225at least it's not wild growth lmao _:(_
>>586575456Eh. Not with randos. Id rather just skip dungeons than risk some retard tank or healer.
>>586575431they didn't remove it they just made it take slightly longer. you're a support class so it's fine
>>586574649Does that mean healing paladins are always in demand?
>>586575431It's the only explanation for something so petty t b h
>>586575225riptide is just worse than renew at this point AND they nerfed ghost wolf. why should i play resto shaman at this point
>>586575456yes but half of the playerbase are still non-verbal
Enhance lookin slick, you best be ready for my windfury totems you sexy fucks
Only hours now
>>586575431>no i should be able to completely ignore the soul shard mechanic by stealing my group members soul in a duel over and over again Retard.
>still making changes just a 2 days from releaselmaoit sure does feel like they have no idea what they are doing
>>586575431They probably lost tournament sports bets like the degenerates that they are
>>586575275literally how?
>>586575456notice how most of the death clips are in low level dungeons?not worth
>>586575521Undoubtedly, yes
>>586574258I'm in the same boatI was originally gonna go war, priest mage, rogue lock but banana slamma this changes thingsNow I'm going war, rogue, priest mage, lock
>>586575519>slightly>"reduced significantly"I know its bait but I'm still mad
>im actually going to be play gnome roguewtf i never imagined it would be like this
Any recommendations for coming up with a backstory for a RP-PvP character? I'm gonna roll a paladin but I don't want to end up being just another stereotypical human paladin rper. How do I get started with an RP character in that regard?
>>586575619but the whole point was to make it easier to farm shards so you dont need a kill per shardwhat was the whole point then if youre gonna remove it
>don't want to play my shaman skelf anymore>sunk cost already since I paid for the raceBruh this is pay to lose.
>>586575617they haven't added anything new to azeroth survivors for a week, what the fuck is there to do for 41 hours
>>586575698they didn't remove it, it was proccing too often so they balanced it
>Holy Paladin gimped>Resto Druid de-funned>Shaman reduced to windfury bot status, cant even Riptide well>Priest just gets to have all the fun healing
>shockadin dpsYou WILL be kicked from groups if you even manage to sneak in by saying your a dps and the leader assuming you're ret.
>>586575712what changed that you don't want to play skelf shaman?you can also request a refund for the race before release
Still another entire day to get this right
>>586575607HEY HA HOO *casts flame shock*
>>586575521the easiest way to gear up a ret paladin will almost surely be playing prot/holy and then asking for 2H drops along the way
>>586575698she looks like the teacher from the melkor comicyou know the one.
>>586575750If youre gonna make it almost never proc then what is the entire point of making this QoL changeIt makes no sense
blizz has no clue what they’re doing lmao. increasing all class damage by 30% and other sweeping changes 2 days before launch lol. Not even indie studios are that unprofessional.i’ve seen teenagers put together science projects better than this billion dollar corporation can put together a 20 year old game. they’ve barely even added anything new it’s embarassing.Truly it is a reflection of the strong men creating something great and the weak men unable to even maintain it.
>>586575691have AI ask you leading questions to flesh out a backstory. it will ask you mundane shit that gives you an organic profile
>>586575779Nothing, I actually think shaman leveling is going to be better because they scale off every fucking stat in enhancement. But I think i just had an epiphany that UD paladin was my true calling.
>>586575691Steal a Greek Tragedy and rewrite parts of it, or hit up some slavic folk lore.
>>586575834and they say women dont live on ez mode
>>586571960I missed the updateWhat did rogues get?
TALENT CALCULATOR IS UPDATED ON WOW HEAD>TALENT CALCULATOR IS UPDATED ON WOW HEADTALENT CALCULATOR IS UPDATED ON WOW HEAD>TALENT CALCULATOR IS UPDATED ON WOW HEAD
>>586575837Cope and seethe tranny This is EXACTLY what us classic chads want.
>>586575431we're supposed to batch drain soul after a cast at the killing blow and anyone that carried more than 3-4 shards at time was a bitch
>>586575920the world
>reduced spell costs>increased quest exp>increased mob spawns>more damage>more threat>more homogenization>racials are still dogshitwhy are you faggots clapping for this retail patch?
>>586575769/w It's about the journey dude
>>586575418ups and downs
>>586575663you roll the chance 5 times per cast, so a significant reduction per hit is only a slight reduction overall
>>586575926Doesn't look like it, for Rogue at least
>>586575854>>586575896both of these seem like good starting points, thanks anons
>>586575926liar
>>586575939If they didnt want you getting shards outside of drain kills why was it even addedThe entire point of this shit was QoL
>>586575889that's fair anon, good luck with your undead pala
>>586575834Am I buggin or is this AI somehow
>nooo I need to get 5000 soul shards per cast of drain soul what's even the point if I only ever get 2 per cast
>>586576043Naw. I heard the story was they are dating or something.
>>586575785The best way to make rets mad is to be a healer and cuck their spot? I'm sold.
>>586575948>why are you faggots clapping for this retail patch?I'd call it wrath-lite at this point. We are more powerful than TBC but less powerful than wrath.I'm going to play this the exact same way i played ascension which is as a fun server that i intended to quit in 1-2 months.PvP will be a massive mess and they will slowly need to introduce baseline resilience to prevent the game from revolving around 2-3 second burst windows.
>choosing a class based off the recent patchnoteswhy? they are going to change it in a day or two
>>586576089that does itIMMA KILL YOU FOR ONE-TWO SOUL SHARDS
>>586572328how can one anon be this based? ill top it though. this is my last post until they retvrn vanilla caps and ditch layers.
>>586576043>>586576097no its a chinese cosplayer kissing a lesbian female(xx) fan. cosplayer apparently kisses her female(xx) fans pretty often
>dead set on playing rogue before the changes >changes are insane to the point i know a bunch of people will fotm reroll rogue Shit. I dont know if I still wanna go rogue or swap to shaman now...
NOOOOOOOOOOO NOT MY RESTO SHAMAN. ITS ANOTHER SHOAH
There's literally nothing more Retail-coded in all of Forever so far than the Druid Feral tree being split to be Guardian/Feral like how it is in retail. Just flies in the face of the Classic design philosophy for the class.
Forever is about journey and discovery and not minmaxing, and that's why I re-roll the new flavor of the day each time a patch drops.
TOTALPOOPSOCKERMELTY
>>586575987>>586576003
>>586576201what do you like most about playing rogue
>>586576228Hear hear
>>586576226>I should be able to optimally tank and dps with the same talents even though no one else canget fucked furnigger
>>586575948>>more homogenizationRetarded buzzword.
>>586575834how much does it cost to get this
>>586576201Abandoning it because it got buffed and therefore popular makes you no different than the FotM rerollers
>>586572328>>586576172realmless has been their biggest mistake, it encourages anti social behavior and puts you into the streamer megaserverI don't want to play on the same server as them
https://worldofwooolcraft.uk/portal/talents/rogue/Talents are up
>>586576297No, I think you should do both sub-optimally and that's how the spec should play. It shouldn't be divided into two where you can do one as well as the pure class. That's Retail style crap.
Never trust the blizzard launch patch notes because they will likely be a whole different world in a month after observing actual player behavior beyond the level limits of the beta.
>>586576201>NOOOOO YOU CAN’T PLAY THE AUTO ATTACK SIMULATOR I’M ALREADY PLAYING IT
>>586576201>being an antifotm rerollerfaggot
>>586576383I wish they'd fix troll models, this looks so good I'd actually play the race for once
>>586576174Korean cosplayer, but yeshttps://x.com/Yasal_170/status/2109581391629267444>>586576043>>586576097
>>586576143the start of the patchnotes says no changes till raids now to get data
>>586576201if you liked it enough to play the same old boring version then i don't know how you can justify not playing it now.
Where's all the ERPers going?
Glad everyone is on the same page now and realizes this shit is not classic+.
haven't been lurking lately but i think maybe it's time to start lurking againwho's winning who's losing?or is it impossible to tell?
>>586576494Pochie
Paladin changes look good.
>>586576249I played it on classic (not vanilla) I really like leveling as combat. The speed of it plus having the safety of vanish and all the tools it has. Stealth is really nice to have. I dont like casters. Paladin feels slow and boringWarrior feels one note Enh seems like old ret but its my number 2 right now.
>>586576201I've always been a Rogue main.This is some good shit.
>>586576517trannys are losing hugely
If you are playing anything but a priest and expecting to heal your in for a rude awakening at 60
>>586576494In your walls, start pouring the lube in there for our arrival.
>>586576462>no changes till raids now to get dataThey aren't even testing out the classes, itemization and raids in-house??
>>586576536holy fuck the modern HD textures look like such dogshit.
Will pve even be hard anymore after these huge bufffs? I remember fighting 2 yellow mobs was doable, 3 was risky but okay if you had consumeables, and 4 was suicide. But with all the damage buffs i feel like i won’t ever be at risk of dying unless i fight a high lvl elite by myself
>>586576615world leveling is going to be a joke probablythey're just tuning new content
Ok cool, can I get an updated talent calculator so that I can actually fucking see what these changes look like in practice?
>>586576591
>>586576591the majority of the QA team got shitcanned earlier this year
>>586576615didnt play beta, assuming you can fight 5 elites at once with how overtuned they made the players
i tried retail first 20 levels and what the fuck have they done to wow? haven't played since wotlk. >hit level 15 in like 2.5 hrs>getting like 500x the amount of money as before>have 100% flying mount but can't fly with it yet>near one shot basically everything>can only possibly die if i pull like 5+ dudes>100 bag inventory alreadylike it feels like they've completely murdered the leveling experience
>>586576591That was a lie.
So:>rogues are braindead op>warlocks got shafted>ele shamans got butffed but are still meme tier>enhance is still shit>mage is best caster>feral got buffed>boomkin is still a meme>paladins are the same>prot warrior got buffed>arms and fury are still okAnything I'm missing?
>>586576536>>586576606this is the one time where I think it looks good the red eyes is a nice touch
>>586576686okay but you get random epics while leveling dont you feel epic
>>586576727fury buffed
>>586572087>rogues got double in 1 patch than warlocks got in all the patches
>>586576591>blizzard>internal testingwhy bother when (you) can do it for them, for free?
>WOW FOREVER FEELS AWESOME>Blizzard, we need to talk.>It's over.>WOW FOREVER PATCH 2.0 FEELS AWESOMEand so on.
>>586576667the smallest indie dev team there ever was
>>586576727dial all of that down by 90% and you'll be a lot closer
Is there a NA PvP Horde guild?
>>586576705I'm watching TNG season one again right now, Bynar episode.
>>586576615They buffed the hp of everything to compensate. Guzu fought uhh vagesh on the beta and era and his kill timer on forever was ~30 seconds slower. And that was before this batch of changes obviously.
>>586576536>he didn't maded a Raziel rogue with these retail glamour options
Do you think any of these lazy fuckheads will update their calculator before I go to bed
>>586576820>season oneMy condolences.
>Warlocks virtually unchanged from the start of beta to launch while every class got gigantic changesSo are they already perfect or are they mushrooms
>>586576727I only look at things in terms of PvP brain. Enhance is going to be probably the most frustrating class in the game, and here's why:>Stormstrike buffed, short cooldown + bigger damage>Maelstrom buffed + lightning bolt damage increased>Shock damage increased Enhance Shaman walks up, stormstrike, windfury hit, Maelstrom lightning bolt, earth shock, and you're dead.
BRING ME MY RESTO SHAMAN BACK AIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIII
so rogues are now required for skipping packs to billed more efficiency out of dungeons?
>>586576893Wowhead here, im specifically waiting for you to fall asleep.
>ele/enh shaman celebrating the changes>tfw plan on restoNothing happened for me except not being able to get improved ghost wolf anymore...
>>586576957yeah man those rare 2 mob packs
>>586576957no
>>586576591The entire point is this IS the test. >Raid next month>get real data and not from dumb fucks twinking at 30>get actual data from levelers and 60s>find an excuse to buff paladin more
>>586576985Don't sell yourself short. They also turned Riptide into a 31-point Rejuvenation with a cooldown.
>>586576918Nah I appreciate the charm of it despite it being lower quality than the future seasons. Beardless Riker is always a strange vibe though. Gotta do something to pass the time.
>>586576942yup it's gonna be mandatory to time keys
>>586576942warlock got some of the most changes coming into the beta.you're actually thinking of warrior
fishing for blackout with r1 SWP is back on the menu
>>586576985you can still get it genius
>>586577027
>Get sapped, chub starts forming >Rogue does his stunlock opener, chub turns into a raging erection>Cum just as my toons HP hits 0This is what classic was all about. Not sure why people hate the changes.
Oh no no no Hordebros??https://www.reddit.com/r/wowforever/comments/1xmlazc/wow_forever_horde_eu_pvp_guild_that_is_not/
>felhunter ends up at 3093 hp with 500 stamina (R14 set w/ Demonic Embrace) and +15% max health pet talent>suc ends up at 3427 hp in same setup>warlocks also have 15% of damage healing the petIs this enough?
>>586577027resto druid also got water shield and raid-wide totems like actually fucking bonkers
I was gonna play Druid but the people I'll play with talked me into playing Mage instead. What am I in for?Considering going Frost
>>586577093you ain't fishing for shit when you get one tapped by every rogue and hunter who looks at you funny
>>586577196no
>>586575456absolutely notif you know what you're doing it's easy to stay alive in hardcore solo, 90% of deaths are caused by other players
>>586577196if its not then we will just need to git gud or invest in super fast summoning
>>586572087>underdog story coming up from behind the rear
>>586577196>3093Stinky asf, hunter pets probably topping 5k with similar gear + build
>stuck between warrior, rogue, and hunter>patch made it even harderFuck me fuck me fuck me fuck me fuck me FUCK
>>586577238they want you to be their conjure and portal slut
THESE FUCKS HAVE ONE JOB AND THEY CAN'T EVEN UPDATE THE TALENT TREES?!!?!?!??!?!!? I'M GOING TO SCREAM WORDS THAT START WITH N
>>586577468Noob_?
>>586577468Netanyahu?
>arms is still unplayable in PvE
>>586577406dont base what class you are going to play based off pre-release patch notes anon. just pick the right one and go god damn
You know what they REALLY need to bring back for Rogues?Burst of Speed.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8kgE86biSg
>all classes get buffed across the board>you can probably just solo every elite-quest as long it's yellow or green>nobody will be grouping and just zerging to 60you think you do but you don't
>>586577468NUSHROOMS
>>586577468Noja?
>>586577293What do you want them to do?
JWUgive me a qrd on the patchwho wonwho lost
bros...>pops eureka>Initiative ambush (2cp) (10%)>ghsot strike 1(cp) (10%)>ghost strike ambush (2cp (10%)>eviscerate (10%)oil up
>>586577556>thinks I’m a fotmniggerNo I just actually like all of these classes. Was mostly set on warrior because muh apm. Was interested in rogue cause it gives me more farming/pvp options. Was interested in hunter because it’s a one man army and I’ve only played it in HC.
>>586577589what elite quests were you already not soloing in vanilla?Jintha'alor will still need a group. Same with the Ogres in Loch Modan. Pretty much every major elite quest where you just kill a single elite named enemy was soloable for almost everyone already.
>>586577658Shammys and Rogues wonDroods lost
>>586577663how useful is that in a raid environment
>>586577658>who wonshaman (not healers)rogues>who lostclothies planning to roll pvp
>>586577663>pops my cock out>sticks it down your mouth >goblin watches because she's nextoil up
>>586577468
>>586577663I was planning on playing Horde but Gnome Rogue seems like a lot of fun.
>>586577634mela is really cute
So rogue wasn't smashing open world pvp harder enough, so now they can 3v1?ganks are gonna go so hard now.
>>586577853somebody post the paladin webm
Mining/Blacksmithing or Mining/Engineering for my gnome warrior (PVE server)?
>>586577434That's kinda hot...One of them already told me I'll be giving him water non-stop
>Warlocks bitch about how gay it is to have to summon a demon, sacrifice it, then summon another one every time they die>Blizzard ignores this and nerfs soul shard farming and nukes pet hp Just how much money did Aggrend lose on the duel tourny
>>586577890I'm gonna give you water non-stop if you know what I mean
>>586577769in a raid you just macro eureka to blade flurry
>>586577853nothing personal
>>586577782>>586577743ele good now? I heard you can't take improved ghost wolf though also arms got some more talent points to go deeper in fury nice
>>586577925You want my gnome to piss herself, anon?
>>586578030Stop trying to erp you fucking faggot nigger
the sims need to update NOW i NEED to know
Does anyone have a good build for a nelf healslut priest?
I see the jannies have either given up completely or actively participate in thread erp. Good stuff my fellow grown ass men.
we are quickly approaching wotlk power levels
don't know who he is, but at least hes honest
blood elf paladins?
So questing is going to be easy as fuck right?
>>586578154i dont think people are doing 10000 dps sweetheart
>>586578087I doubt any sims are going to be updated prior to launch
>>586578193pvp is the only challenge in this game
>>586578192there is no such thing as a blood elf retard
Rolling hunter on launch once I hit 60 which will be fairly easy on hunter I will be then rolling either paladin or druid honestly I'm really conflicted on this one. As a OG paladin main it feels natural to go paladin but honestly druid seems like it'll be so much fun this time around. Not to mention teldrassil is so kino to level in.
>HOLY SHIT GUYS A ROGUE JUST SAPPED MY ENTIRE PARTY IN 0.5 SECONDS WTFThis is what you retards sound like
>>586578192
>>586578087they need to use Reverse Anything on the Sims 1 cause whatever remaster they did a few years ago is ass
>>586578316it will get reverted.
>>586578316What did they do to sap
>>586577853
is there any updated talent trees anywhere?
>>586578316they will rape rogue to the ground anyways once all the retailers and newfags start complaining about it
>>586578079I was asking about the game...
>>586578342agreed sims1 is kino
>>586578281What's the name of the Alliance campaign in WC3 TFT again?
>>586578378>this will again be reality in tminus two days
>>586578378virgin mcbackstab out fucking skilled by chad thunderhammer
where are all the people who were complaining about the easy blues and purples, powercreep stats, and easy dungeons now that blizzard has made the game trivial and buffed every single class?
Did they do anything to fix rogue’s abysmal AoE? None of the changes matter if you only get invited to raids.
>>586578449I believe it was called >garithos did nothing wrong
>>586578378this is what rogue cucks deserve
>>586578378a reminder to rogue shits
Yup I'm going enhance shammy in pvp sorry chuds but the changes look epic and enhance is going to gape
>>586578480fuck you
>>586576248i miss fauna, it a same she left hololive to marry vesper
>>586578507>gets turned into a fat fucking abomination
I feel myself getting sick.....why now.......
>>586578526I’ll take that as a no. Enjoy the bench raider.
>>586578472everyone who thinks this is classic+ already quitonly people staying are retoilet cleaners and freshchasers who will play to max level then quit
>>586578396No.
>"Developers’ notes: We’ve used the data and feedback gathered during Beta testing to get everything tuned to a reasonable place. However, the only true test of that tuning is the game itself. With the exception of bugs and serious outliers, we don’t plan on making big tuning changes between now and the opening of the raids next month. Once we have sufficient data from players leveling past 30 and engaging in a wide range of content, we expect that we will do a large tuning pass based on our data. And this is all merely a starting point for the classes in Forever, which will continue to evolve over the course of the months and years ahead just as they did following the original launch in 2004."
>>586578091its pretty flexible atm priest is just that good, id just keep an eye on discord.gg/priestclassic
>>586578559I'm getting better from being sick, you are my sin eater, sorry Anon it had to be done.
>>586578559Same... At least it'll be easy to sleep...
>>586578480Go back to retail
