Patch edition>Latest patch:https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1422450/view/680766308468391944>Steam Page:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/>Where to leave feedback and report bugs:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/>How do I git in?Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be a sperg.>How do I git gud?Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too much.Additional Resources:>Unofficial Wikihttps://deadlock.wiki/>Collection of useful character buildshttps://deadlockmeta.com/>New Player Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/>Advanced Movement Guidehttps://www.dlmovement.wiki/>Unofficial Stat Tracker (Unreliable due to API rate limits)https://statlocker.gg/https://tracklock.gg/https://deadlock-api.com/>Unofficial CompetitiveNewshttps://edl.gg/https://www.deadfrag.com/>Unofficial Voiceline Viewerhttps://deadlock.vlviewer.com/Threadlocked: >>586782149
Going to Rat!
I will never forget bricklos pissing and shitting themselves over Harrow's ult when the counter to it was literally just hide behind cover
>>586810853you dont even need to hide just dont look....you can even still attack enemies that you can still see
Lash sex
>>586810853How funny, it's literally the same counter as for Still life, and they complain about it as well!
Becoming completely immune during your ult is just bullshit and I don't care about what any hagfag says
>>586811006G-gulp! No, that's d-d-d-d-different!!!
6H vs OGNB vs CNS
>>586811006Yes except she can also chase you into that cover so it still connects which if she has a brain, she is going to do.
>>586810853You don't even need to hide just don't look at her.>>586811006Aside from the fact that Still Life could hit you through walls until they changed it, and it would still hit you even when you looked away from Violet, exactly correct.
>>586811134Hero labs.
>>586811134My beautiful wife Violet
>>586811134>Saved by Mina>Saved by RemWho saved Deadlock in the newest gen?
Is Apollo a lobby rapist now
>play gun rem>spam "I BOUGHT THIIIIIS" every time I buy a gun item>laugh at my seething teammates >lose
real ivy nerfs when?
>>586811006The only nerf Still Life got was fixing it's broke Line of Sight detection. It was for soem reason way more lenient than Harrow Ult ot Billy Ult and the ability would still go through even when line of sight was broken
i need apollo's barely legal ass bouncing on my dick but i will be avoiding him again until they revert the buffs
>>586811152
>>586811397Calm down Abrams, Venator, Lash
>>586811374ok cool enjoy lp
we are breaking containment...
>>586811219Ugh-huh and at that moment she open herself to be ganked>>586811220>Aside from the fact that Still Life could hit you through wallsEngine level problem btw
what deadlock character is futa?
>>586811303he can now double heavy melee with just superior duration but the build still has the same problem of>they hit dispel magicand all of your many wonderful effects instantly vanish>they hit slowing hex and your entire kit except parry turns offso he's going to continue to rape brick rank that doesn't buy actives and still be bad
>>586811374I know Gun Rem is a meme but isn't Rem's gun like Solomon and Doorman where it does decent damage early game just doesn't scale well late? I could see buying one or two gun items early to harass in lane without it being a total throw
>>586811374This is why Rem has a low winrate btw. One of the strongest supports in the game with extremely strong macro play, strong disruption, best in class healing, and doesn't even fall off, but for some reason every Rem player is a giga elo terrorist who chose to crash lobbies
>>586811294Danny
>>586811461venator has big enough tits to be considered a futa
>ult, fly in silence knock up, vortex web, stone form, echo shard, stone formthis is the strongest combo in the game and it's never been nerfed because night shitters haven't done it yet
>Apollo sends you a text>"Have you seen my BIC?"Is he talking about his big Ixian cock or his penITS DECIDE TIME
>>586810732Finally a soulful OP image and not some pornslop
Silver buffed in the next patch for sure
Why make characters focused on debuffing when there's a quadrillion items that negate debuffs
one day closer to having a conventionally attractive feral canine hero in Deadlock™
>>586811542he wouldn't be talking about either because he has a 4 incher and is too rich to use bic pens
>nerf hero>change your mind >nerf hero>change your mind>nerf hero>change your midShiv will have 2 stamina again soon.
>>586811303>lobby rapistHe'll likely keep his status of low ELO stomper+lane terrorist, but he still falls off late game, same as before.I can see his pickrate rising a decent amount after this, with his melee build gaining popularity over spirit.A few enlightened connisseurs will stumble upon Gunpollo and see the light.
>>586811485sex
>>586811594 I refuse to derail the thread with another fucking Silver argument, but after the changes to midboss, Silver is genuinely really weak now. The tempo character archetype is now maybe the weakest class od characters in the game since you can't reliably force the game to end at minute 20, and Silver was one of the weaker tempo characters last patch. With the current midboss meta, Silver will fall off way before it's realistically possible to end the game
Violent sex with Violet
Billy is the honest character
Does the matchmaking really only look at visible rank and not winrate or past performance?
>>586811748>I refuse to derail the thread with another fucking Silver argumentThere's never been one, it's just one sperg insisting she's OP for no reason
>>586811512he's the token short character for annoying people, this character type is in 90% of games
Its fat cock wednesday so that means you can ONLY play characters with fat cocks be sure to lock in Drifter
>>586811887Winrate and past performance both directly impact your visible rank, what would be the point of integrating them again?The only issue is with the rank shields allowing people to stagnate when they should be falling and the answer to that is to get rid of shields, not make the MM algorithm worse in an attempt to mitigate their affects.
>>586812078Drifter and Abrams and Rem are the only ones im afraid.
>>586812169>>586812078wait fuck its thursday nevermind fat cocks day is cancelled
Venator would have a small penis after decades of wearing a chastity cage.
apollo buffs for NO reasonceleste getting shot again out of nowhere too
>>586812342Celeste is a rapist and needs to be put down
>>586812342Celeste deserves it Apollo one is just minor to nudge the retards to try him moreThe only thing that was needed is some Wraith nerfs
Stop trying to look up my skirt.
>nerfed healbane>mo and krill buffsactually retarded
>>586812385>Celeste is a rapist and needs to be put down>Apollo starts entering his rapist arcThis double standard is unfair!
FOR THE DJINNAURRGHAUUAAAARRHHHH
>>586812342Not like they even addressed her damn 1 giving her free damage that she doesn't need to aim for
>>586812551He's still unplayable retard no need to cry
Rat King is the ONLY honest hero from CNSHow the mighty has fallen...
How do I vyper good?
>>586812751>silver not picked onceshe's too op for nightshift
>>586811134My wife Silver is in the middle batch so that's easily the best one
>>586811443t.
>>586812751>Rat King>honestI thought we hated aoe slop
>>586812779slide and bola people using channeling ults
>>586812751Wow it took """pros""" this long to realize wraith is broken huh
>>586812924His aoe slop does no damage and his ult gets cucked by stat checks.He's the worse frontliner in the game. Zero uti, zero damage, LITERALLY NOTHING to bring for team fights except for his ult.
>>586811485Design is bad because he has the school blazer in non school colors.
NERF WRAITH ALREADY YOU FUCKING GREEN DINO KEK
Every rat king i have seen just goes 2-15 every damn time
>>586812084>what would be the point of integrating them again?>The only issue is with the rank shields...good job answering your own question bro! you can get eternus with a 40% winrate btw, rank is completely meaningless
I'm throwin' these bad boys all night
I hope they do a Full MMR reset when the game actually comes out.
>>586812751Mirage is like one misplaced buff away from becoming the most cancerous hero in the entire game
When will the season 2 start?
>Drifter feeds vindicta in lane>Tells his bebop duo she was hackingOk man
>Celeste nerfed again>Wraith untouched
>>586813661Do you have an extra chromosome?
Bricklow: Rat King is OP why are they buffing youAscendant: Rat King is throw pick btwWho's right?
>>586813786Flying is cheats. Most of the cast can't 1v1 you because bullet drop off damage.
>>586813786vindicta players are notorious for being played by aim hacks doe
>>586813829bricklow is always right
>>586812617KINO
>>586813881only 3% of her damage was from headshots doe
>>586812342she lost her dev favorite privilege...
>>586813817Translation: >Hitler got hit on the wrist again>Stalin untouched
harrow ult is such bullshitwhy am I unable to press any buttons for an entire teamfight while their team rapes me
STOP PLAYING VENATOR HOLY FUCK THIS HERO IS ACTUALLY GARBAGE YOU SRE NOT PLAYING IN PRO INHOUSES WITH PERFECT 24/7 COMMUNICATION AND YOU CERTAINLY ARNT GOOD ENOUGH TO WIN THE GAME BEFORE 3O MINS PLEASE STOP SHOWING UP ON MY TEAM AND GOING 3/14
>>586814097Hmm...Nyo.
>>586812342how apollo looks at you before killing a n*gger
>>586814019buy knockdown>WAAAAHHHH SHE BOUGHT UNSTOPPABLEbuy unstop too and use knockdown when it's ending>WAAAAHHHHH I DON'T WANNA HAVE TO COUNTER A 150s CD ULTretarddid that satisfy you, or do you want to manually run through this whole conversation again anyway
>>586814019I have an idea of what to do when she ults but no practice because I haven't seen that many Harrows in my games and if I do they're always on my team
why am I allowed to be placed in fucking Lima servers as an NA playersure they are just objectively worse at deadlock so it's a free win every time but still
Guess the rank.
>>586814019she's not even invincible anymore when she casts just kill her
Why the fuck do they just refuse to nerf Wraith? Oh wait it's because its the character for literal brainless marvel rivals players>urr i throw homing missile card that does giga damage and heals and shreds and has the potential to do all 3 durr i have a lane wide teleport that gives me barrier and my ult ccs you moves you stops your movement abilities and removes your regen oh I dont have to aim it either just look at you and press 4 and i get all of this for free oh oops i can also nuke your walker faster than anyone else and escape for free too teeheefucking assholes this character has been op since fucking march and has been dodging nerfs somehow
>>586811152You lost chud.
UMM BASEDAlso the danny nerfs seem fine I'm still having fun it just isnt a guaranteed kill on abrams/mo in the early game which is probably for the best
>>586814379Didn't we already do this one.
>>58681409790% of players are progamer larpers, they play what their favorite pro plays and it's been like this for decades
>>586814609I ran into a McNiggis a while back
>>586814097he's fun who cares? you want me to play le tank graves? le danny? le mirage?
why is my entire team getting raped by silver pleaseh elp
>>586810853>just give up mid and rift and every objective lil pisslowlmfao honestly shitters never learn. all the bitching about wraith (B tier hero to Eternus 6 players like me btw) and you tell them "just don't ever get hit" and they start crying about "thats impossible" like bro...this is why you're still shitlow lmao
Doorman needs to be nerfed further.
>>586814642>decadesYou have no sense of time, anon.
>rat king BUFFS I am genuinely surprised
>>586814698The way to counter her has been the same every patch since she released>Buy Slowing Hex>When she ults, walk away and shoot her to death
Idk how to explain it but matches feel so tiring now even if I win. Every fight is a slog
>>586814969cause one retard can ruin the game and every game is the same you farm for 18-25 mins until someone gets wiped enough for boss then it ends
>>586814698and this is bad how?
>>586814698Disarming Hex
>>586814969back in the day THE teamfight impact ult was seven ult and you could hide behind terrain while someone pulled out knockdown unless he paid the unstoppable tax in which case you just waited 6 seconds or sonow there are mega poggers epic oompa loompa wahoo teamfight ults everywhere and each fight is a dozen different aoe abilities perfectly sized to match the radius of a rift
>>586814751I've seen it happening ever since WC3 dota had tournaments
>>586814698Because you won't buy protectionI mean counters
>>586815258imagine how musky the root and back of her knot must be..................
why is this game infested with trannies? there are so many TF2 faggots larping in my games.
>>586815171>90% of players are progamer larpersAutists have always tried to mimic top/comp/pro players. Normies only started doing it when e-sports became massive in the late 2010's (similar time frame for gaming in general becoming normalized)The current day norm of even Jack Shitlow the 27 year old weekend gamer and Jill Discordkitten the 17.9999 year old streamer wannabe keeping up with what pro leagues consider competitive picks is very new
>>586815379>her>knotGENDERS DO NOT WORK THAT WAYGOODNIGHT
>Apollo basically has a stun without having a stun nowit's funny to see even though I entirely get why him having a point-and-click "did you have the audacity to deal chip damage to me from 50m away while I pressed 2" stun that interrupts everything and teleports him to you was utterly obnoxious
I think I've found my hero, Warden. I just splitpush and farm the entire game and if some nigger tries to stop me I just solo them since they never expect to get statchecked by the statcheck hero.
I can farm really well and be ahead but then it feels like I don't do much in the game. I'll be 50k but like 3-3 and it feels bad. whatdo?
>>586815504hey the full of that image has her with a throbbing knot ok don't blame me, if I said "his" it would be weird because silver is a she, blame the artist for not giving her a fat puffy drippy cookie instead (which I would also very much enjoy)
Mod recommendations?
Daily reminder RussGAWDs own Deadlock.
>>586815412They're all quirkchungus retards but Deadlock """"yuri"""" ERPers are a different demographic entirely. I actually didn't know how bad it was until my friends got into the game two months ago and I started queueing Standard with them. One in three matches someone types cringy flirtatious shit at the very start, unprompted, it's completely bizarre. Yesterday there was an enemy Holliday, nobody responded to him but every time he died or made a play he would type some sexual roleplay like "Abrams you're so big? omg"You can explain maybe a portion of it as people desperate to end up as an epic funny screenshot on Reddit, idk
>>586815412only the mentally ill (trannies) would willingly spin a wheel at a chance to be in an unwinnable 40 minute game
>>586815696you just need to ask yourself "is this fight worth showing up for" before it breaks out. Look at your map, this is how carry is played in dota. If yes: show up. If not: farm another round and start the fight when they are staggered. You want to show up at the end to finish a fight or show up and win it out right with your inclusion If not its always better to work the map then involve yourself in retard brawls
>>586815504Thank you Morbo
>>586815812that chat shit makes me so fucking irate dude I remember when people did that shit naturally back in the day and it was hilarious and it was funny but of course reddit had to run it into the ground and force 'le funny haha interactions on reddit' fucking pieces of shit man
>>586815696Assuming you're new, an easy rule of thumb is to fight when you have ult and farm when you don't. If you have ult and there's a teamfight, go there. If you have ult and there's no teamfight, go to the nearest enemy and chimp out at them. Ult down = go back to farming.
>>586815742Bara Seven
>>586815742https://www.mediafire.com/folder/g9goqgjnd4yi0/
i'm trying to learn pocket but building him eludes me. his gun feels completely dogshit without a ton of gun investment but building gun instead of spirit feels like a waste, and all the hybrid builds online feel bad both ways. i'm doing okay with a full spirit build but i feel like i've just been playing shitters who don't know how to counterplay
>>586816078>him
>>586816078Pocket is kinda poopy right now with all the spirit but he's thee hit and run character if you're staying in the same spot for more than 5 seconds you're playing him wrong you wanna be constantly moving and also hit your cloak briefcase combo trophy collector is underrated on him too also dont forget your 1 gives you damage amp so you wanna open with that to get the max amount of damage
>>586816192>he
mina buffs when?
>>586815964The good thing is you can just mute them. The bad thing is my group isn't always fully convened for a 6-man so sometimes we get these screenshot farmers on our team and they have never ever performed.>Unmute our Paradox 30 minutes in to see if he's still going>"aaaa mina you kissed me to death! :'3">2/16 -> 2/17No way to mute our Patron's enemy killstreak voiceline unfortunately.How do you even die that many times as Paradox? I can't wait for all my bros to have 3 heroes unlocked so we can start playing ranked and leave the Standard shithole behind
>>586816235The only buff she needs is a pregnancy buff
>>586816192I figured out the playstyle pretty quick, it was pretty intuitive to figure out to run a "get in, damage, get out" strat. My problem is that I can't quite keep up damage-wise even if I have the most souls in the lobby which feels like a build issue. I'll try Trophy Collector, I'm definitely getting a lot of assists (is trophy collector hated by most players? i never see it in any builds for any character)
>>586815412Why are you still pretending Valve is some kind of bastion of conservatism and tradition?
>>586816248I have bad news.
>>586816021>no naked option
>>586815812I am noticing alot more of this they are often hyper aggreesive and treat standard matches like chatrooms. Another thing I have noticed is that the front page of the deadlock reddit pushes tranny content to the top. They are colonizing this game in the early stages >>586816096is the perfect example of how they have driven a wedge in the community, 72 citations on the wiki plus automoderators correcting you about pronounds on reddit. They need to be purged, i would take a wildly imbalanced in house version of deadlock with no internet imput over reddit curated deadlock anyday. Sadly I think its pretty much DOA if valve keeps the discord open. They will run this shit into the ground with enough time
>>586816078Here have a QRD>Pocket used to be fine>Decently balanced(almost perfectly 50% winrate iirc)>Decent presence in highrank and tournaments>A year ago devs decide to give him total healing disable on max rank ult>This is obviously very strong and Pocket's winrate shoots up>They nerf his gun>They nerf his suitcase>They nerf his cloak>They nerf everything except his ult which they made overtuned for no reasonNow Pocket is a cucked ultbot. You can still learn his combos obviously and do well on him but half his power budget has been put on his ult, gimping him everywhere elseEnjoy Valvenigger balance!
>>586816394Should be solo only
Vyper’s VA is really good
>>586816427crashout over one word. i didn't know enbies were so Powerful
>>586816394You're fucking shitting me man.
I will queue again.
>>586816370Thats just how Pocket is anon you won't be able to keep up damage wise late game you become an afflict bot because everyone is GOING to have Spirit Resilience/Items that give them Spirit Resist anyways
>>586815167they probably didn't want the meta decided by who got lash/dynamo/seven like 2024 deadlock probably
>play Rem>forced to watch my team lose if they're bad
>>586816606>>586816442lame. does anyone else do the get in, burst, get out tactic? it's what i wanted from a character in the game, but waiting around an ult cooldown to do it effectively isn't very fun
>>586816594based standard terrorist
>>586816427See >>586816248 It's easy to just mute them and I don't browse the official subreddit/Discord so no issues there either, but if you play Standard with friends it's basically impossible to avoid getting one of them on your team, and they are inevitably dead weight. ERPers wouldn't be so annoying if they were halfway decent but no, it's always a 0/10 outright interrupting their gameplay (I've seen them stop moving in jg or stand around in base) to type. Can't mute bad gameplay, can't mute the enemy Shiv who now has 8 kills at 5 minutes...
>>586807441>>586807479>>586807676>>586807815fellas 85048148
They need to make bullet resist items not total dogshit bullet resilience is so shitty the only good bullet defence items is weapon shielding and plated armour meanwhile there's a thousand good items that give you spirit resist as a bonus
>>586816653Rem is cool because if you can't find a single viable carry on your team to dickride you can chill in the tunnels. No other support hero has this option, they're forced to get raped with the rest of their team.
infernus is such a fag character
playing a m1gger carry is playing the game on super baby games journalist easy mode but oh my god is it so fucking boring. even in lane you're decently strong so theres not even a fun challenge there. and then you fuck off and farm for 20 minutes before you get to play again for 6 minutes before ending. did this as wraith, thought ok this is just wraith she's obviously OP, then did it as seven, infernus, haze etc. easy wins but I'd rather play anything else
>>586816832bros why does EE give 17% spirit resist
>>586816832Bullet resist items being pretty bad right now isn't a big issue because m1ggers are pretty bad right now too. Out of the few good m1ggers they're all hybrid as well, only Venator goes pure gunIf pure gun m1ggers ever swung back into the meta then the current state of bullet resist would suck but as it is it's just lol lmao lmfao
>>586816806>femboy in pfp
>they buffed apollo after he was already super OP after the riposte changeskek, 70% winrate incoming
>>586817136more proof if you downplay enough you get buffs
I can't decide which hero to play in ranked
>teammate pinging the mo and krill over and over as he hunt our jungle>retard doorman stays in one place and gets ulted by krill>lose boss and the gamehonestly this game is so shit nothing you do matters if you have a retarded baboon on your team
>>586817328>not using a micyour fault
>>586816724>get in, burst, get out tacticDrifter gets in, bursts, and then you pray you don't get raped before getting outShiv spends a while not getting in as he builds rage with his knives, then he gets in, bursts, bursts, bursts, bursts,Mina doesnt need to get in, bursts, gets outDanny gets in, bursts, then chooses to burst again instead of getting outLash jumps in, bursts the whole teamfight, gets outInfernus runs in, bursts fire everywhere through his ass, runs outHazeCalicoApollo
>parry enemy>our doorman carts him away to safetydoorman players can ONLY kidnap and copy joecuck, thinking is simply not possible for their atrophied brains
>>586817398I use my mic a lot Im not using my mic for something that's obvious on the minimap, if youre in oracle the minimap should not be DLC
>>586814740He's literally worse than he was last year in several regards anon, it gets to the point where it's all on (you) for fucking up
no no NO!!!! MY TEAM!! IS!!! NIGGERS!!!!!!
>>586817476I play a lot of Lash and Mina so this is definitely the playstyle I gravitate to. Maybe I'll give Shiv another shot (inb4 he's an ultbot too)
I fucking hate wraith so godamn motherfucking much
>>586817521NTA but I'm Ascendant and minimap is still paywalled for my teammates in half my games
>Enemy Mo&Krill has over 10,000 HP from ult stacks
>laning with Paige>we are hard raping the enemies>just a couple more trades and we'll kill one or both>go in>both enemies collapse on me and kill me>I didn't look at the map but Paige went to do a box run at 3:00>last game was bad so now I'm instatilted and leave lane "I'll go so some box runs and camps since you like them so much"First time I've ever done this and I know it was stupid of me but I'm tired of retards leaving lane as soon as boxes spawn and leaving some breathing room for enemies.
>>586817590He's the opposite of an ultbot, half the time his ult is just used as a mobility tool
>>586817769if you want them to do something different than normal play you should communicate
>>586817769thats literally what you're supposed to do at 3 mins if the wave isn't on your side you go do boxes that's how you play the game she gets box farm you get solo farm its a literal win win
>Vindicta notices you have a boner>"I see you~"
>>586817942If you can pressure them and kill them both and shove wave they lose a lot of farm though.
why the fuck does everyone just nonstop farm???? THIS A PVE GAME PUSH LANESTAKE ADVANTAGES TEAM FIGHT TAKE MID BOSSEND THE FUCKING GAMETHAT FUCKING SIMPLE YOU FARM FOR A FUCKING POWERSPIKE ITEM AND FIGHT
>>586817985>shoots it off
>>586817985
3 wins on harrowwe are slowly building up!!
>>586818098>takes mid boss>goes to farm instead of pushingwhat rank does this stop happening?
Deadlock is a occult noir game set in the 1920's with such deep and lore-building quotes like:>LIFTING>This team has real central park at 2 am energyand >I like my pillow
>>586818429don't forget>that dude definitely lifts...
>>586818429>1920sits late 40s/early 50s
>>586818334It's the objectively correct thing to do so it doesn't
>You need to win 15 matches with the character to play ranked>Also, you are not guaranteed to get that character in matchmaking>Standard is also full of retards that drag the game to 50 minutes>Have fun grinding for days just to play 1 character in rankedWhat were they thinking?
>>586818721it definitely feels more like 60s-80s to me. I know it's not but they definitely don't stick with the time period. I mean, punk in the 40s?
>>586819096it means you get to play better games after because many of those retards in standard get filtered out
how do I lane against mcginty? rusted barrel doesn't do shit, she fires so quickly anyway
Just played gun McGinnis and this shit is ass
>>586811271She's fun
>be me, oracle shitter>paired up with a phantom nurse>she does 83k healing in 32 minuteswhat the actual fuck is this hero
>>586819434I don't even see anyone playing this flop character anymore after the nerfs
>>586819539Good for me, I get to pick her more
Cosmetics when?
Capacitor is the new radiant regen but /dlg/ isn't ready for this yet
All I do is lose
Street Brawl is so pointless.There's a few characters that get so much value just by existing.And there's a few characters that are just so much worse than them.
>>586819776how can mina walk around in da daylight?
I like to play Billy in street bruawl and run it down. I die ten times but I sometimes kill two enemies so its all good
half my standard games are literally this image
>>586819926this but rem is an italian mobster checking for a wire
>>586820047maybe mobas are just poorly designed
>>586820047Could be fixed if the devs were good btw
>>586814019if you're still getting feared by kneecapped harrow there is no helping you, give it up and hop on street brawl
>>586819776>Haze and Rem crossing the street>Violet running with bags>Geist>Lash in the truck>Billy>possibly Apollo in the background, behind the car on the leftDid I miss any
>top 2 deadlock streamers right now are women>they're playing Rem and HarrowBros... is it over...? WoWForever stole our playerbase
>>586818972the last thing you see before she bites into your dick and sucks you until you're a prune
>>586820364are they women or women
>>586820396Real women
>>586819827Doesn't also help that the items can get so lopsided it's not fun anymore. Like the enemy Vyper/McGiniss got Infinite Rounds while your Venator got Unstable Concoction
>>586816724Calico is the closest in playstyle to that
Any Drifter mains here? Who do you avoid? I avoid Wraith just because she's a broken cunt but I specifically go against Vindicta a lot and it's either you land Stalker's Mark on her, or you don't and get raped. And even landing Stalker's Mark doesn't mean you can teleport on her because you'll drop your ass right in the middle of her team
>>586820047it actually does win you the game in high mmr, they're just better at fighting when it mattersyou have to deathball cause mid boss is OP so that means huge fights all the time
Just had a game where i played Infernus and the enemy team went full hero-shooter brain and let me freefarm until like minute 30 where they averaged 28k souls and i was at 43k souls i just kind of walked at their base with my team and we wonThe tutorial of this game really needs to emphasize the objectives more, rift/urn souls, walker item unlocks, sinner machines, super creeps from shrines (that sidelanes have more value than mid) etcLike it’s so infuriating to be in that position where you feel like you lose to things you have ”no control over” meanwhile they do have control over it
if baba is literally considered the strongest hero in the game currently, like 61% winrate in eternus, banned in every tournament, why is she never picked anywhere in mid elo? Don’t people there always jump on the ”op” characters?
>>586820806I don't pay attention to bricks and mystics. Who cares what mickey mouse version of deadlock they play?
>>586820806Because she is not OP in a way that you just pick her and win. You gotta know what to do, what to build and how to play her. When you have something like 500+ hours (random number) and know the game, she becomes OP. Long story short, she's OP in the experienced hands
>>586820332Doorman and Dynamo and his wife
>>586820395why would she bite your dick instead of your neck
Reminder that M1ggers and Eceleb scum will ruin this game, just like they ruined Silver and Mina.
>>586821147>willthey already have
>>586821147You forgot Doorman, Shiv, Viscous
>LIFTING!*does 4000 damage in 0.3 seconds*very chool character volvo
>>586820806She has a lame design and isn't fun to play, only metashitters pick her>>586820946>in the experienced handsESL, low IQ and wrong. She's braindead to play, hence why she's still the highest winrate hero in lower ranks. Outside of Eternus she isn't quite 60% winrate though because some people use shitty builds.
>>586821273wraith literally can't shoot when shes lifting
>>586820806>Other characters>Use skills>Get slight spirit bump for a few seconds>Baba>Get spirit bump>Gun now has spirit damage>enemies spirit drop>Last fucking foreverIt's like they don't know how to design the game anymore.
>le badass granny that...SWEARS!Violet's voicelines might be total shit but Baba is the worst design out of the new cast hands down hate that fucking archetype so much
>>586820953pretty sure that's just a large yellow nigga maybe ixiandynamo would be rounder
>>586821425silence goy
>>586815812>>586816786Btw this is what I mean. While on the zipline leaving spawn Infernus went on allchat to tell the team that if it wasn't for Billy and Dynamo they would have an "all yuri" teamCeleste typed something in teamchat but I forgot what it was because I muted both of our yellow laners right afterWhat I can't mute is Infernus dying one minute into the match nor the two of them collectively going 1/9 before their guardian fell and a fed Yamato came to rape the rest of us
if i determine my team isn't worth healing i WILL shift my build to gun rem.
>>586821425>Violet's voicelines might be total shitSo tired of this reddit meme
I hate icefrog's seasonal obsessions with particular hero playstyles trying to make them "work" buffing them every week until they're completely busted. There was no fucking reason to buff Apollo so much.
>>586821760These people and Russians being perma banned from the game would increase the game's quality by 100x and I'm not even joking
still playing celeste
i went to bed before the final match of buff enjoyers vs leviathan ended yesterday but i still cant believe buff enjoyers picked fucking seven over venator when leviathan had squishies dominating the game all the previous rounds. a venator ult wouldve unironically fixed all of their problems but i guess they just wanted to force seven that hard.
>>586821760>Harrow Victor GravesYou deserved to lose
>>586816594Literally free elo potion and you're struggling?
>>586821760just get your group to 45 wins so you can play ranked bro>uhh sorry chuddy you cant queue as more than 2hahahahah oh no no no no no friendsloppers we got too cocky
>>586821821Give us one good one
It's weird that Harrow's ult visual indicator (the big horizontal line) doesn't have anything related to her having a vertical angle limitation
why did they turn viscous retarded?
>>586821760>While on the zipline leaving spawn Infernus went on allchat to tell the team that if it wasn't for Billy and Dynamo they would have an "all yuri" teamTheres nothing wrong with this lil gup, one throwaway joke at the start of the match is not erp or whatever buzzword complaint you have
>>586820806Because I'm currently using Silver for my freelo
>>586821909Most of them are fine and perfectly in line with Deadlock's writing. All characters have their hits and misses, singling out one character is dishonest.
>>586815412>>586815812I have hundreds of hours and have never seen anything like thisI'm european. Where are you guys from? I'd be interested to find out if the ERP'ers are generally an american phenomenon or not.
>>586821760get your party to spam comms reports on them, they will get muted. tell the enemy team in all chat that they used a homophobic slur for good measure
>>586822049It's unironically a US problem. Worst I've seen in EU is some foid on Paige being unhappy
>>586816394What is the point of this? How is there no ranked for full 6-man teams?
>>586822049not either of those anons but im US central and i see it whenever i dip into standard to unlock heroes for ranked. it seems to be a standard mode thing, xitter tourists and ledditors come in to circlejerk about their tranny celeste yuri meme but they are shitters so they never unlock or go into ranked
Mirage would feel a lot better if>function keys actually consistently peeked at teammates instead of the camera usually getting stuck at the last place you died>the minimap looked like something discernible instead of a jumble of black shapes>the minimap had height information, showing you if heroes are above or below the ground>some picture in picture preview of where you're going so you don't spend a second reorienting yourself>his kit actually felt like it came together before getting three T3 upgrades
Imagine if Violet was a well designed hero and was drawing caricatures of characters and mocked them in bratty style instead of silhouettes
>vyper not wanting to get goo'd by gooey tentacles safe horny trash
>>586822168vyper likes her men fleshy and hard. not slimy and goo-ey
>>586822014She has no hits you know this it's why you didn't give even one example.
>>586821828I'm playing from Montana so I don't encounter Russians. That said all I know is DLNS EU teams are better than NA so as far as I'm concerned I'd prefer a seething Slav who knows how to play the game (and is in fact actually in my match to play Deadlock and not to ERP in allchat) rather than a Reddit transbian yuritard>>586822049Western USA. I think ERPing in online games is a generally Anglosphere cancer.
>>586822154>Another Mina garbageNo thanks
what if female ixians actually wore hijabs?
>>586822232I accept your concession.
>>586822284>I'd prefer a seething Slav who knows how to play the game does he know?
>>586822296>the esl shitskin and the violettroon are the same personIt all makes sense now
>>586822150his teleport should be two steps. choose to disappear, then choose where to reappear, with his camera appearing at the same time as the reappear marker but before he actually arrivesto prevent cheese, he should have to teleport a minimum distance from his current position. if you don't choose a spot in the time allotted you get a random one (gl lol)
>>586822150Mirage would feel a lot better if he looked like picrelSeriously it's a game about occultists, rituals, magic, etc and there's no Abdul Alhazred?
>>586822154>Imagine if Violetnot going to disappoint myself again
>>586822345>go to heal my 1hp venator>+0>he starts bleeding
>>586822154>make her even more of a quirky tee-hee characterPlease no
>>586822345mirage isnt arab hes persian but yeah he looks like shit
>>586822314You lick on my nuts instead of making an argument
People are allergic to slowing hex and knockdown vs fliers. I guess I'm just a real hater because I will sacrifice my build to make them as miserable as possible and enjoy doing so.
>>586822476he stands so zestily
>>586822337Oh, youre THAT schizo. You gonna make it two months of seething about Violet? Go ahead. Why didn't you post your match history when you were asked to, by the way? Do you even play the game?
>>586822345He looks like a high society government abdul which is appropriate, a ragged curved swordsman abdul should be another character.
>>586822369Where's the made up lore one?
>>586821760trannies hit video gaming harder than crack hit the ghetto, jesus
>>586822516Your brown hands reek
I regret mentioning violet in an off hand comment about Baba sorry
>>586822098>>586822143>>586822284I was going to say at least you guys have fewer russians right?That ERP shit sounds awful, but russian team-mates are genuinely always permatilted ragers, and half of them will start screaming at you in broken english and make slurping sounds if you dare to speak english over voice.I play with my slav gf (lived in the west for over 10 years, so she's pretty integrated at this point), and she tells me that's just what young russian men are like, even IRL. Must be a wonderful country.
>>586822589And where is your match history? Really starting to feel like Violet haters just don't play the game.
>11 game losing streak>rat king leaves 12th game but we're doing okay without him>manage to win teamfight, kill shrines before they respawn>beg team to go to rejuv, start it>they all fuck off and mill around jungling for some fucking reason>enemy team takes rejuv and rapes usGOD FUCKING DAMNIT FUCK SHIT CUNT SHIT FUCK
>>586822598You can't complain and have violet mentioned because the troon will run defense immediately and the chuds will reject it in turn
>>586822821silver is so strong...
apollobros what do we think about this new patchnote upscale? are we becoming the rapists of m1 heroes? i think i might start genuinely buying disarming hex for assassinating haze/wraiths and phantom strike lategame
>>586822781>timezoneWasn't sure if SEAnigger or spic, SEAnigger it is
joechuck is based, i had a game earlier with a blatant vindicta hacker on his team so he went richochet second item and stole her farm while doing 0 obj damage
>getting instant queues nowDid they change something about the MM algo or what?
>>586822920OK kid, now we all know you don't play the game. Sorry, I'll go queue up and actually play Deadlock, something you clearly don't do.
>>586822821>12 game losing streakis that even mathematically possible? I had a 19 game winning streak once because the calibrator is retarded, but I feel like you could be afk for 12 games and still win like 2 of them, statistically.
>>586822959that's just his normal build that he's trying.
>>586823060
I don't get Calico.You can kill the Wraith four or five times, go 12-1 in the first twenty minutes, with a 5K lead, yet that same Wraith will always outdamage you and outlead you by 10k Souls in late game.Meanwhile, you'll just explode for attempting any dive and you're reduced to a simple arctic blast merchant with a pathetic damage output on anyone who got the green spike.
how hard is it to middle click the person that missing from your lane seriously
basketball tech
>>586823357>a pathetic damage output on>the green spikeESL shitskin we are going to have to work on your grammar...
>>586822821>>they all fuck off and mill around jungling for some fucking reason#1 Reason why people lose.Don't sweat it, learn to let go, some players are irredeemably pulled by defeat, get them near victory and they'll start having some kind of vertigo and their body will take over to lead them to the path of optimal defeat.
>Infernus dashing towards you
>>586823438>Drifter is missing!>he reappears a second later and I feel silly
>>586823489Literally don't see any problem.Perhaps i'd be mad if someone was butchering my language, but rn it's your cross to bear :)
>>586823357Calico is an early game assassin and Wraith is a hypercarry. What are you confused about?The meta currently just makes all strong early game heroes shit because games never end early.>>586823558Using your microphone and learning to speak in a way that doesn't annoy people is the biggest impact you can make to your winrate.I was default team captain back when I played Dota 2 and that shit carried me into 5k despite being totally shit at the game - I was realistically 3k on my mechanics. It's the same for this game - as long as your teammates actually speak english, trying to coordinate the team a bit should be a high priority. Remember that half your team are immigrants from Rivals or Overwatch and literally never look at the minimap, so you have to do it for them.
>>586823589I dont understand why his 2 is called a "dash" when what he actually does is a sprint. We have actual dashes in the game as a mobility option
>>586823682Great, thanks for admitting you're shitting up the thread with incoherent ESL gibberish. Now that no one else has replied to your post (due to it being gibberish), mind fucking off?
i am an actual trophy collector addict
>>586823861>mind fucking off?No, you cannot boot me off, i won.
>>586823469>think it would be cool tech on how to score the basketball>just more troon movement shit
>>586823156what the fuck? oh. but why? i mean it still felt like he was throwing.
>>586823357Farmslop meta means that early wins don't matter and early-mid pick characters are worthless
>>586824131did he actually say thatkind of based if true, you need so few kills to snowball in this game
Should i try Smite(2)? I don't want to go back to League or Rivals...
>>586823861NTA, but what are you sperging about?>Meanwhile, you'll just explode for attempting any dive and you're reduced to a simple arctic blast merchant with a pathetic damage output on anyone who got the green spike.There's nothing wrong with this sentence. He could have used better wording than 'for attempting' and 'output on anyone', but it's not incorrect, just a bit clunky, and perfectly readable if you're not retarded.
>>586823438about the same difficulty as glancing at your minimap before taking a fight
>>586823837>>586824131Deathy said she's strong thoughever
>>586823438Nothing in the game tells you that is something you can do. I literally learned about shit like that from this general, so I'm not really surprised most people aren't aware.
>>586824045you could do both of these jumps trivially
>>586824381The tutorializon and on-boarding in this game suck ass right now. Pray they don't release it without making these aspects better because there will be an insane influx of new players who never played MOBA when 1.0 comes out. Current Oberwatch/Rivals/League refugees will look decent in comparison
>one of the strongest characters in the game>10 people play him and he tends to get thrown in F tierWhy?
>>586817125>lies
>>586824493because he's terrible?How much do you play him? If he's in your top 3 most played heroes, you don't have the objectivity required to judge how good he is. There are autists who spam Silver and have a high winrate with her too - that's how practicing and getting good at things works.
>Metro constantly complaining about his teamIf he had self-awareness he would notice a pattern
>>586824595>free harass/sustain in lane>free counterspell>insane damage on consecutive hit>60 sec teleport (plus unkillable with unstoppable)
>>586824621my only exposure to metro is seeing him at the very end of a clip compilation youtube channel and it is exclusively him eating shit. the last one i watched he died to the fog jungle camps because he was clearing incredibly unoptimally
god I wish I was Paige so I could use Conjure Canine on myself
>>586824595>he's terrible>but if you play him he becomes goodVery nice
blueberry feet
i got a mod that plays church bells whenever venator shoots his ult and its so fricking tuff oh my god.
>i wake up>they butchered my boy dannyshit ain't fucking fair
>>586824757>lasts 3.25 seconds and has a cooldown of 19 secondsenjoy your fap session bro
>>586824493He's strong in very specific organized plays and matchups but has zero stopping power and solo play potential which is what wins you games in pubs. And no his winrate doesn't magically become good if you "play him right".
>>586824269It's extremely clunky and incorrect. No we are not pretending Jose from northern Brazil can speak perfectly comprehensible English you weepy woke faggot
>>586824854>3.25 secondsthat's how long the dog can look for a target bwo, if he finds one he stays tied for 15 minutes it says it right there in the ability
>dominate the early game>doesnt matter cause i have 3 junglers that do nothing>entire mid game is just playing 3v6 until they eventually take the lead by deathballing and picking us off>retards never push walker and just donate their jungle bags one by one >my mo and krill is in the tunnels farming boxes during the pivotal mid boss fightthey really need to make the game possible to play when your team sucks, like there's literally no point in playing if your team doesnt group and doesnt split push it's impossible to win
>>586824838good
Leech Mercmag Hybrid Victor is definitely the future of this hero, I still need to minmax the eco of this build. Gun Victor is surprisingly expensive because you have to compensate for the flaws of his gun.
>>586824783>There are autists who spam Silver and have a high winrate with her too - that's how practicing and getting good at things works.
>CNS>halloween>minor patch just today>which means we most likely won't get shit for season 2 besides a reset and a number ticking up
Silver is too strong for this game
>>586825149carried by the baba
>>586825149AND too cute, don't forget
>>586824929It's literally correct English anon. Point out the specific errors if you're going to nitpick like this.
>>586824493Mirage's ult is a NightShift MetaPick Deathy "the concept of macroplay" teamplay ability and has the highest skill ceiling of any ability in the game, ultimate or otherwise. He can teleport ANYWHERE on the map to do 0 damage there, meaning there are infinite possible opportunities for Mirage to do 0 damage at any time. A skilled Mirage player must be able to calculate all those possibilities every second his ult is off cooldown to find the perfect moment to teleport to a location and do 0 damage there, all while buying L->R items, holding down right click, and pressing 1 or 2 sometimes. Hence low winrates even in Eternus.
>Baba when she presses Q
>>586825241>holding down right clickhey I figured out how you're doing 0 damage!
why do I keep playing when I don't even like the game?
You will play the melee (stun into guaranteed heavy melee cause melee is a dogshit mechanic) build and you will like it
>>586825354You enjoy the game, you just struggle with anger management/ego detachment/chilling the fuck out.
>>586824493>>586824595>>586825241I had a mirage do 7k damage today in a game we won. What the fuck. Oracle btw
>>586825354Why don't you like the game? It's great.Do you play with friends? You might be burning out on solo. I like to switch it up a bit, if I play too much solo ranked I feel too sweaty, but if I play too much dumbass standard with friends I start wanting more serious matches.Also - obviously - go play something completely different if you're just burnt out on the game entirely. A total war campaign as a palette cleanser for example.
i get kind of anxious when im queuing alone even standard. especially if i got an appointment in 4 hours i feel like i cant play any videogames during that time
>abrams on the enemy team is doing complete dogshit, going 0/8 in lane phase>apologises for doing bad and says its because his friend died yesterday and he's not in the right headspace Laughing my ass off at how unlucky you gotta be to get a teammate like this. Rank up game type shit
>>586825354i have 400 hours and i'm only playing the game because it's the popular thing, abysmal balancing for a year already with the worst skilled playerbase by far
Mirage 3 should stack to 10 so he can just tickle people for 20 seconds and then he does 100k spirit damage and wins the game on the spot
Give mirage a rocket launcher
>>586825717Mirage's ult should let him teleport inside someone and explode them like a Mortal Kombat fatality
>>586825468What exactly about the game is great? Movement is gay as fuck, there's zero macro, all games just come down to picking off the enemy's most retarded player before they do it to your retarded player and get mid boss. Awful awful awful.
I can't take month after month of gun meta. Uninstalling.
Flopping tranny deadcock.
>Be doturd>item for the playstyle you want is upgradable to 6k gold item>be deadslop>you are stuck with multiple tier 2 and 3 items late game because there is nothing betterxdxd
Is there a good website for reading guides/input on a specific hero? I know there's videos out there but I'd like to have read some further tips on specific heroes.
>>586825956TRVKE ( except the movement part )
>>586825521I still remember when people tried to make fun of support ivyIt was a different time, when people thought support wasn't even meant to be a real thing
>>586825956>there's zero macro, all games just come down to picking off the enemy's most retarded player before they do it to your retarded player and get mid boss.That seems obviously untrue. It seems like you want to simplify your losses to the retarded player on your team getting picked, but there is a lot more complexity beyond that, and even in its most simplest form a 6v5 doesn't guarantee midboss or anything.
>>586826162Computer! How many item slots do each game have per player?!
>>586826273old abrams portrait was kino
(YOU) NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND STOP THEY/THEM
>So, um, that uninterruptible ult that makes Rat King unkillable and makes him contest any objective on the map? Lets buff it.
>>586826334Go watch nightshift and tell me there's macro, they literally just brool over boss. That's all the game is.
NEVER SHOW ODDS, NO MATTER THE FEAR
>>586826339and what i am supposed to do with 60k spirits at minute 40 nigger
>>586826425End the game
>>586826273>unironically playing the game when it looked like CONCORDDeadlock is the only game where all oldfags are confirmed retards
>>586826390<uninterruptibledumbass
>>586826393Even in it were true that in Nightshift it's "just brooling over boss," it's obviously untrue that your games will be anything like two coordinated teams of pros playing at a high competitive level.
>>586826453i gotta reach the quota
>>586826462And even then it was a damn fun game
>>586826484>use the anvil>pauses for half a second>continues with his ultYeah, interruptible ults are ones that stop the moment you get knocked down.
Violet? more like Vioshit haha
I hate when they dance around the clear and obvious unbalanced issue by nerfing every other ability, stat and item except for the obvious problem.this fucker did the same exact thing in dota too. just nerf Threadsap
>>586826462current deadlock is closer to concord DEI trash than citadel wascalico wasn't in the game('s official roster) then btw, now she is and her design is not changing by the btw
>>586826462someone's jealous they didn't get to experience the game before it was ruined by esports and redditness lol
THEY CANT KILL ME
>>586826491you're coping man, you havent played enough or are in denial over the state of deadlock boss is the only obj that matters cause walkers lose all their resistances and are 10x easier to take late game it's so easy to clear every obj once you get boss you can literally just jerk off for 20 mins until boss comes up and do okay
>>586826656I'LL GET 'EM
>>586826273Support in DOTA isn't real either, it's items that dictate your role (and you buy items using gold hence the pos1-5 shit). I'm kind of excited for the item update honestly.
>mirage is persian>but he has djinn (arab) scarabs (egypt/arab) sand tornado powers (arab) volvo diversity departament didnt do its research
Why is Apollo getting buffs, he was completely fine after the change
>>586826273TAKE ME BACK TO THE FOUR LANES CITYWHERE THE MAP WAS FINE AND THE GAME WAS LITTY
>>586825809this and it shoots big red rockets
>>586826767It is a bit of a disappointment that Nurse broke that standard. Every single other support in deadlock can easily hard carry and top damage, except for Harrow who is 100% a support bot.
>>586826826probably cause he's not fun and doesnt do anything any more>muh melee that can also be meleed backgreat, brilliant design yoshi
>>586826767>Support in DOTA isn't real either, it's items that dictate your roleniggas just saying shit
Did they fix the Apollo riposte bug where you just get sent flying to a random location sometimes
>>586826905I haven't seen a damage Rem in months
>>586826767>I'm kind of excited for the item update honestly.I'm extremely excited but I'm worried the pro players will bitch and whine and complain and they'll rollback some of the (good) changes. The Spirit item meta is too strong and we need good gun and green items.
>blocks you are pathWhat do you do?
What if... We removed mid?
>>586822004>using tiktok react caps in a /vg/ threadyou are the exact type of retard faggot that OP is talking about
Maybe it's just because standard is dogshit but I'm not having fun getting 15 wins on more heroes for season 2.
>>586826991yes
>>586827068headshots ur gigantic hitbox and ownzones u
>>586827112standard is the absolute worst
What if they reset the 15 wins per season so everyone had to unlock their heroes again in standard
What's the name of that movement map, guys? Is it any good?
>holliday/mina picker
>>586827257>What's the name of that movement map, guys?New York>Is it any good?Somehow worse than IRL atm
>>586811443>furfaggotry is what breaks containmentFitting for neo-nu4channel.
Ivy nerfs when
>>586826653>someone's jealous they didn't get to experience the game when it looked like DEI slopNah, I'm good.
>>586827456>>586826620
>>586827068P-please don't change my world, Warden-sama
>>586821147this
>>586826767>Support in DOTA isn't real eitherspoken like a retarded league tourist who thinks that roles are only "real" if each hero is forced into a single fixed role
tired of HDD mexicans taking the full 2 minutes to load
>>586825521i've had and have this with other games so i know the feeling. the only remedy for me was kinda just to force myself to play, affirming that win or lose it doesn't matter i am here to learn and grow.do it enough, force yourself to play enough, and your brain learns that there is no danger and there is no reason to have a fear responsealso not to contribute to the trend of over-pathologizing but the 2nd one is an ADHD trope
Lane matchup for this feel?
>>586827591HDD mexicans?
>>586827630i do actually have adhd and took my meds today but ig its more of a mental than medical thing. im gonna try playing one match i got like 80 mins to go until my appointment
>>586827068FACE ME AND WIN
>>586827646Imagine bibi as a deadlock hero
>>586827646(((hidden king)))
>>586827786we've already got wraith
>>586825521are you a girl
tip touching hero
>>586827646Mirror matchups are impossible on Deadlock.
lusting after graves, give pro tips so i can better rep her
>>586827956leave some fruit in the openwait for them to start rottingask the allured fruit flies for tips
Why did everyone stop playing Dynamo? Not that i'm complaining
>>586827646Rat King vs Moishe & Kreisberg
>>586826826They don't want him to be a niche counterpick likely, so stun got reworked. Now they are in the "tweak and rebalance the rework until it feels good" stage.
>>586828053Powercrept unironically
>>586825521>if i got an appointment in 4 hours i feel like i cant play any videogames during that timeThis is unironically, genuinely an ADHD thing. Not the quirk chungus Tumblr/Tiktok version either, the actual "I'm a spergy retard" ADHD.
>>586827956get first point in 1, then max 2, then do whatevercore items are resto shot capacitor stamina mastery toxic bullets ee
>>586828053Abrams does everything better, and he's simpler to play.
>>586824131>russians whining when they can't deathball to winAbloo bloo bloo. Maybe Leviathan should try a different trick than "group up and try to outskill Buff Enjoyers in a game of 6-man street brawl?"
Why does every Lash player I get waste all of their stamina trying to set up a slam that does less damage than a gt arrow and then die instantly like a retard
gunshit ruined deadlock
I'm going to Rat
>>586828483this but aoe spiritslop
>>586828557this but melee
>>586828557retard m1gger
M1 carries are fine as long as they feel like Anti Mage or something in dota where it takes a good 30-40 minutes of uninterrupted freefarm for them to become godlikeIf a wraith can be effectively ”online” at minute 15 that kind of defeats the point of the macro game
>Lash ult catches at least 3 people>Vindicta quickly follows up with her Tether>I, Celeste, gets free kills with my ult
is warden viable after the patch? why is he bottom of the tier list? should i just pick a different gun carry?
Playing lash with a competent dynamo in my team is the most satisfying gameplay i have ever had in any moba everLiterally nothing compares to getting a 3+ person slam into a dynamo that ults them all.
>>586828686Wraith just shits on every gun carry right now. Nothing wrong with Warden though
>>586826581Read ALL patchnotes if you only larp the game, not only the most recent oneHe drops the flag when stunned with no impact damage
>>586824131russians look so ugly
>>586828743redpill me on wraith
>>586828686>52%Not the bottom of anything
Why does Yoshi hate frontliners/tanks but love AoE spirit slop
>>586828802I don't have to, literally just play the game
>>586827885yeah>>586828189im alrdy diagnosed but my family says im faking it to get the meds. sigh. in deadlock of course.
real tired of being matched against full tryhard stacks in standard as a solo player
>>586828767>He drops the flag when stunned with no impact damageI guess there were some patchnotes I missed between last night and these ones, huh?Retard.
>>586828830same shit is in dota all str heros and offlaners are shit and pos1ggers are allowed to be good at every part of game
>>586828802best objective damage in the game. literal get out of jail free card, cards that heal, shred both gun&spirit, slow all in 1 ability, ult = free pick, highest firerate & ammo = instant on-hit procs, 9999 tesla/capacitor hits per second on everyone forever, extremely high gun AND spirit dps = extremely high lifesteal from leech so she heals just as much as infuser victor
>it's another dynamo that builds into stomp, has lowest heals on the team, and bottles every single ult
>>586828958It is a shame, the beauty of deadlocks systems, the movement, the melee system, it lends itself well to drawn out back and forth fightsReally hoping deadlock doesn’t slide down the League of Legends route to where every game is just people blowing up 100 to 0 on 0.1 seconds
>>586826039We're in a spirit meta anon. Have been for a while
So Apollo can just heavy melee you three times after parrying with 2 now?
>>586829098cope m1gger
>>586828686>wraith, but worse! in every way!
>>586829104I don't think he gets 3, and even 2 is no good if they have debuff resist.
stand on burning coals for 10 hours or lane against characters with a heal?
>>586827717kek
>>586826824Djinn were introduced to Persia along with islam. I'm pretty sure Mirage wasn't born in the 6th century, so I don't really see the problem.>Kelvin is Norwegian>Doesn't worship Odin
>>586829137I literally only play tank abrams, spirit Victor, spirit McGinnes and healbot Kelvin
>>586828936Spoonfed retard
>>586828987alright you convinced me, i’ll try her after work
Is there any kind of spirit nuking people don’t have a problem with? Celeste and Pocket seem like two spirit nukers that people don’t hate per se, what makes them unique?
MikaelS is playing SSSilver again, hop on
>>586829260just hit the boxes bro
>>586829349but kelvin isnt actual kelvin and he is the thing (tm) from antarctica that just looks like kelvin
Wraith should have a bigger cooldown between card uses, why does the best dps hero in the game also get to nuke me with 4 homing abilities
>lash sells everything to buy refresher as a last effort to save the game>misses ult
>watch streamer>enemies are literal retards throwing themselves at the streamer for free kills>play game>enemies play extremely safe and never leave their side of the lane unless it's to explode me somehow with a gank
>>586829489>AIRetard.
>>586829907people are more willing to fight in high ranks i think
>>586828995>bottles every single ultWtf does "bottles" mean in this context?
>>586830047he dont ult niga
enemy hazes always dominate me in lane esp if they got a harrow in their backline but when i play haze i just get 0 value in laning phase. sighn. fuck.... i suck at aiming
Don’t worry i’m saving ult for next game
>Deadman Danny on my team has "Deadman Danny" as his Steam username>Think, oh this guy must be a cracked onetrick>He's dogshit
>>586830157stay behind cover bro
>be danny >dares to win one game in dlns out of 5+>nerfed againThis game is balanced around bricklow I don't want anyone to imply that is not the case anymore after this
>dannynigger victim complex so strong he now thinks the game is balanced around some meme match minutes after it happened
I DONT PLAY FAI-AHH!
you know you instantly lost the match when there's a vyper on your team who isn't a vyper onetrick
FOR THE DJINN AAAUHAHAHAGHGHHGHAAAAA
>>586829969you are not a real human
2 bars of stamina filtered me from playing Silver
>>586811294Unironically dannyOnly one to not follow the basic 'barrier/movement/aoe slop' ability selection that the others have
>>586830562There's genuinely seriously unironically ZERO reason for her to only have two stam, doesn't fit the characters lore nor role nor power level in the meta. Only exception is if they made her like Mina where she only got two stamina but they regenerated faster so she could invest heavily into stamina to get really good movement.Or at the very least give Wolf form fast stamina/better movement or something
>>586827646Mirage (vaguely arab north african immigrant) v Lash (asshole)
>watching mikaels>his silver rapes for the first 15 minutes then falls off the face of the earththe classic
>>586830907There is a lore reason: she is a heavy drinker and has cirrhosis. Think what kind of message that would send if she as a heavy drinker had 3 stamina. Also, chronic alcoholics couldn't be so pretty, so be thankful she doesn't look like actual alcoholic women do.
why the fuck did they have to rape and kill m&k like this man <40% winrate it’s actually over for real
>>586814609uh oh!
>>586831227Because he's a brainless tank in a game where actual tanks require movement finesse and careful ability use to stay alive
Pros basically never buy Ricochet on anyone while literally everybody buys Ricochet in pubs.
>>586831227keep fighting morris
>>586826341Nu-Abrams looks like he has Down's Syndrome like Nu-McGinnis. Old Abrams looked badass and professional
>>586830907>doesn't fit the characters lore nor role nor power level
>>586831227I think Mo just needs a slight rework, the problem is when he's strong he's basically uninteractable with since he just stays in burrow and heals the poke with big aoe burst onto you until you have to spend cc to pull him out but when they nerf his damage he can't tank for shit because his heals are directly based on it and then he's just an unfun ultbot
>>586831425you need ricochet in pubs because the rest of your team doesn't have a mouse and keyboard so you have to deal all the damage yourself if you're playing m1
>>586831227He deserves it.I've literally never seen a character as stupid as pre nerf M&K in any game, one of the best assassin, casually able to take the worst dive and surviving 1v5.I've had friends in Phantom/Oracle get MVP on their very first game with him, it was completely expected that his playerbase would see their winrate crash the moment he was nerfed into an acceptable character.
>split mid boss in 3 >it doesnt even matter aoe heroes like dynamo infernus still auto win mid unless you have unstop what was even the point of this change
>>586814609i love reading nerfs for a character i'm playing and see it only affects the playstyle that i don't find interestingi mean. 8% worse scaling on 1 does suck even with my goal of minimal spirit investment, but also proportionally i'm not losing as much as the giga-spirit-divebombers are
>>586832030It's a bandaid change, it's only meant to last X months until the midboss rework comes out
>Play a hero who HAS to fight in close range(Abrams, Billy, Shiv, etc)>Our feedpig McGinnis dies 17 times in 30 minutes so the enemy Venator can complete the Silencer-Inhibitor-Siphon Bullets triforce>Game is now totally unplayable for meGood stuff
>blue laner roams to our lane>our blue lane decides to fucking go for boxes instead of putting pressure and pushing midthat's why he roamed in the first place RETARDS!!!!!!!!!
So this is the power of Silver...
>no hero that has "time to brool" voicelineshit game
>>586828958RetardDota's been increasingly consumed by tankslop where everyone gets 1500 HP at like 10 minutes in
i tried paradox as my third hero but you just have no solo kill potential with this kitany other suggestions? my first and second heroes are bebop and apollo
Why do you need to sign in with Steam to download hyperline?
>>586832389>sharpshooter+burstfire rush vind>frenzy and literally nothing else drifterBASEDHOLY FUCK
>>586832491Shiv
WHY DID THEY BUFF APOLLO???
>>586832030the point was to reduce the chaos of fighting around midboss, not make aoe against the lowground less powerful. instead of one giant clusterfuck of parries and blind swings and assorted coinflip retarded bullshit (like doorman vortex web memes), it's now 3 smaller battles where attention is split and you can choose the best one to fuck with and try to steal. no longer one giant unpredictable absolute coinflip. 3 smaller coinflips where you can actually see the coin spinning in and make an actual readin other words, it simplifies the crystal interactions and makes it less of an incredibly risky all-or-nothing ordeal. it feels good in my opinion. it feels like something they found worked better in internal playtesting so they brought it in while the full rework is pending
>>586832491How does paradox not have solo kill potential?Build all gun top off with glass cannon + reverb, press 3, click head, do 5000dmg, repeat every 16 seconds
>>586832604
>>586832604icefrog is a sick individual who always tries forcing some meta hero no one wantsliterally who enjoys playing against apollo?
Make Silver's wolf form attacks deal melee damage and scale off melee items exclusively.
>>586832491>you just have no solo kill potential with this kitwhat bro carbine paradox has one of the best burst combo in the game
>>586832604He's been kinda shit since the parry changes.
>>586832832Yes, great idea>buys 38% melee resist for 1600 souls
>>586832491poke with carbine nukes, when they're low enough and frozen from the time-stop swap them through wall into nade + m1 for the killspirit burn > mystic reverb
>>586832491if you're trying to get solo kills on anyone other than drifter you are playing the game wrong.
>deadman danny will now do 1.2k damage at 15 minutes instead of 1.5k
celeste sisters...give it to me...is it over?
>>586833006larp post on all frontsunlucky
>>586833119ill hit as many as i can
>>586833119It's never going to be over for Celeste.
>>586832491You can't all in, especially if you just have sharpshooter and express. You have to sit behind your wall and just shoot people from far
>>586833134it's what happens brochacho
>>586832941>Also gets reduced by bullet resist
Yeah im thinking Silver is way way too OP for this game
close the deal should also give damage stacks on kill like lions ulti
>>586833319outdamaged by rem is crazy
>>586833345meh he was good but I made it my mission to completely neuter the calico because she was killing my entire team that was value in of itself
>>586815812Just report their chats and move along. Im sick of the RP shit in this game to. Just play the fucking game and RP on discord.
Hey guys, Yoshi here.Since Silver is simultaneously deemed OP and the worst character in the game all while having an almost perfect 50% winrate; how can we adjust her so that he both feels better to play as and against?
>>586833549>heThat's not very woke of you Valve copyright infringement of Nintendo man
>>586833549You can marry her at the end of the game
can i play gun sinclair without getting reported
>>586833549>he
>>586833549>has
>>586831562Literally all they have to do is make him do less damage whilst digging around in burrow so he heals for less with his 1.
>>586817008Try investing it a bullshit build and pissing off the enemy team.
>>586833549turn her into a feral wolf instead of a werewolf and make her anatomically correct
>>586817008seven hasn't been a m1gger in agesinfernus also barely counts as most people go full dash build
why the fuck is dannys dive so easily controllable
If only they could remove all the shooter elements from Deadlock so I didn't have to aim. Maybe the game would be more appealing from a top down perspective?
Because Mirage is a throw pick anyway what if I just debuff maxx on him
>>586834131THAT'S THE POWER OF THE CHIMERA MK1, BROUGHT TO YOU BY FAIRFAX INDUSTRIES!
>>586833549Reverse the transformations so shes feral by default and switches to her gun form when shes out of combat for too long.
can we get a proper anti healer in the game and no pocket doesn't count just because t3 affliction stops all healing there should be a character who is dedicated to blocking/slowing healing
>>586834205>laning phase as a melee brick
>>586834210Just make it a passive stat on other items so we have more options on top of healbane.
>>586834250Fuck it dude itll be funny
>>586834483>rabies ronnie is more relevant to the lore than wardenlol
>>586833549i would give her wolf form an extra ability on her 4. it's a massive howl that deals damage to everyone around her which rapidly applies feared (imagine the roar from that monkey boss in sekiro), scaling with how much time is left on her transformation. doing this howl reverts her back to human form on use. when nearby an enemy, she can alt fire the 4 to grab someone and throw them up into the air before doing the howl, causing the aoe to expand from them instead and stunning all targets hit. this stun has a set time on all targets hit and does not scale, but still reverts her after use
>>586833549transformation not as an ultimate but just as an ability she always has access toand then retune her two forms appropriately
>>586833549you are not yoshi-sama, but the fact that you are a raging faggot did make for a compelling disguise.>Since Silver is simultaneously deemed OP and the worst character in the game all while having an almost perfect 50% winrate; how can we adjust her so that he both feels better to play as and against?Having played almost exclusively Silver since I started (a couple of months before the bola/kick npc target changes) I think she feels fine balance wise but idk if my opinion is worth much :/Maybe a bit of scaling changes to the heal on ult, fix some of the melee/bullet item interactions, fix bola not dropping enemies, but I don't want any major changes because she is fun as is and I love her.
redpill me about gun shiv
>>586834850Most sane Silver main. She is not exceptionally good or bad at all. People need to stop creating narratives just to get their favorite characters buffed.
The best way to play Silver is just soak up all the cc and eat cooldowns
>Silver still uses Seven and Drifter animationsfuck balance. fix this shit first.
>>586833549Just revert all the nerfs and make the wolf form health base instead of bonus.
>crouching while mantling gives you a free full speed slidevolvo programming
>>586833549If she has a 50% winrate and is good in the hands of good players and bad in the hands of bad players (who unfortunately make up most of her playerbase) why change her at all?
>>586833526>he thinks reporting works against roleplayersroleplay is dev approved chuddy
>>586834973YOU'RE DEADthey buffed his right click relatively recently so it does pretty good damage, there's really not much else to explain
This game sucks my dick with teeth
>>586835017They just don't care at all
I think more straight porn of silver would be nice for the overall state of the game
>>586833549>deemed OPWho the fuck thinks silver is op?
>>586835114It feels good, so why not?
>>586835291Deathy
>>586835127>let's make the game unfun for 90% of players and appeal to 12 autists who play this game like it's a full-time jobthere are at least 400 dead live service games and 7000 shut down MMOs as proof towards this being a bad idea
>>586835335literally who
>>586835270true but only if she has a cookie
Kiss her
>>586835350>begging for buffs because you can't pilot a heroPathetic.And yes I play Silver. Yes I picked her into my rotation this patch cycle. Yes I did it to farm elo. Yes I tier whore.
90% of people who say Silver is weak builds Express Shot on her
>Que up for a normal match after being a Brawl baby>Get rinsed so bad I thought Maybe I'll stick to street brawl...
I have a pillow.
>>586835634>puts bare ass on it so you get pink eyetake that you vermin
>>586835405Person Valve listens to instead of you.
mikael is so good at this game holy shit
>>586835498>Yes I did it to farm elo.lol
>>586835689ok and ?
>>586835545now imagine if it worked in ult form
I tried to fix my keybinds now I can't play the game anymore
Celeste will be turned into glue fuuuuck
>>586835743Thats exactly why its a trap trash item I dont know where this meme of ES being good on her came from one of the biggest psyops this game has had
>watch an eternus shiv player>notice how much this dude quick melees like a rabid dog in fights>decide to go full monkey mode>just start weaving in quick melees in literally every engagement>walk away with 150+ free damage every CQC trade because nobody expects a retarded ass rat king to just quick melee you 3 times in a row and the rats give you bonus damage because of the armor shredoracle btw (shitlow, correct)take the quick melee pill
They should make an RP mode where you just fuck around the map for hours, there are so many rooms and little details I basically never see during real matches.
is this victor build ass?
>>586810732>five streak of celeste nerfs>"eternus" players will still bitch and moan for no reason deeper than she still has abilities in the gameThe fact my silver ass can counter play her ult and top players are crying is fucking wild.
>>586835812shivs in particular spam melees because they're by far the fastest way to build rage
>>586835843Low gravity and more air control is inherently broken, and she also gets to do a shitload of damage, defense and disruption for free.
>>586835843counterplay that amounts to "leave the fight/area or lose" are dogshit ults to play againstyou can't just "leave" mid boss or koth otherwise you give up an entire obj because someone hit 4there is a reason you're pisslow silver and don't understand what makes her broken.stop talking, thanks.
>>586835545Unironically the only way to proc wolf form in one combo, she deals so little damage in human form.
>>586835812This is why Eternus lanes look so fucking retarded by the way everyone is trying to do this and everyone expects it so you have people who get parried and die 10 seconds into lane every game.
>>586835843the mighty horse cock scare the beta males
>>586835749have you tried deleting system 32?
>>586835820someone exported the map into VR chat
>>586811134top row has 5 good characters middle has 2bottom has 1 (danny)
>>586835843you are fucking retarded
>>586822345if we ever get another sand person character it has to be occultist and he needs to have major beef with mirage
Silver should get buffed so she's above 50% winrate, she deserves it
>>586836269m1gger zoomie e-celebs will never allow it sadly
>>586836234I never liked mirage fucking jinn shabbos
Does Silver even have tits? She looks flat as fuck.
so when are they nerfing drifter?
>>586836387he gets nerfed pretty frequently, unlike eosbringers wraith and infernus
>>586835926Just tested it, my god you're rightDoes it have a rage bonus or something? Why does it fill the bar so fast???
>>586836387Just deathball
The building with the bank vault has to be the most useless bit in the entire map, literally no one goes here.
>>586836630wtf this is fake right?
>>586836550Yeah
>>586835964They can't win unless they do dishonest melee spam for free damage and if you don't join them they get pissed.Just remove light melee
haze is genuinely so hard to play my aim so bad
>>586836630I found out about the bank vault one day while desperately trying to escape a four stack, only to be gang raped in the vault because theres one exit
>>586836372B cup at best, she doesn't wear a bra and wears a loose fitting, low collared shirt that in any reality but a game would mean she's flashing bare tit every time she does anything but stand stock still and straight. It's hot as fuck and brainless gooner fanartist give her H cups that would remove this appeal.
>>586831926except you are just lying and pre-nerf M&K had 52% winrate. he subjectively felt strong to overwatch players like (you) because he punishes poor positioning and macro weaknesses typical in hero shitter players
>>586835932>Low gravity and more air control is inherently brokenWow, Magic Carpet must be the best item in the game since you can grant this to carries now. Solomon must be a perma roam menace too, surely he can just buy Superior Stamina and break the game.>>586835935You are describing a good portion of ults in the game, it is more viable to counter play a Celeste ult than a Dynamo + Warp Stone + Veilwalker.You're calling me shit at the game but I erased the ult off field multiple times. Why can a shitter low mmr player do it but it can't be expected of anyone that's "high mmr". It's just Viscous all over again.
>>586836916Climb the rope nigger
>>5868366307 boxes 2 golden statues 1 heavy box is decent no? Plus there's the zipline up into the room above with a heal, more boxes and a path to the walker
>>586833549Silver is a bit overtuned at the moment. I think a 10% penalty to all her damage would bring her in line with the rest of the cast, while keeping her playstyle and itemization intact.
>>586837096What damage?
Does anyone have that fake Drifter/Violet conversation?
>wraith is themed around gambling>has the most low-risk playstyle and kit of all timewhat could yoshi have meant by this
>>586837302
>>586837446THANK YOU
>>586837446Drifter would say this
>>586837391>Has a 50 meter teleport, the best escape ability in the game>Has infinite bullets as an ability, because sliding is too hardWith the antiheal nerfs, Wraith is currently the biggest crutch hero in the game right now
Do (You) think there should be more neutral resources on the map or less?
>>586837737Camps should be faster to kill but also give fewer souls because I'm tired of afk farmers stuck in camps too tanky for them.
>>586837737Less. The comeback mechanics are way too strong right now, makes early game wins not matter at all
When do they add proc coefficients to guns
>>586837737I think the tunnels are underutilized and there could be more bossesHaving just the midboss feels a little weak. There's Urn and Rift but only one of those encourages cooperation and fighting, really.
Damn this is a long conversation
>>586837737Less boxes that spawn in ultra safe locations that can never be contested. More resources that spawn toward the middle so people have to fight over them.
>>586836771>Just remove light meleeunironically, yeah.and buff heavy melee
>>586837929I noticed that with the new characters
merc mag drifter, y/n
>lane phase>draft diffwhat do I do in this situation?
>>586838082Wraith and Vindicta did it first
>>586838137put on your big boy pants, crush your lane and use your microphone to tell your team how to wingiving up at hero selection is league of legends player behavior
>>586838137That's what the character swap feature in ranked is.... You ARE playing ranked... right?
>>586838137Buy golden goose egg and hit boxes for 10 minutes.
every match is the same meta shit, there aren't nearly enough heroes
I like Warden but I struggle to do well with him Please spoonfeed me tips and habits I should practise
>>586838270its not a giving up more like what do I do instead of feeding my ass off>>586838274n-no>>586838283give up the lane? what if they push all the way to the walker
>>586838336his gun has been nerfed to tickle peoplewait for rework
>>586836983>Muh winratesYou fags that use that argument should never ever complain about any character that is below 55%, but we know you use that selectively.Of course winrate will hover at 50% for every character when the game strive for 50% winrates for all players.I trust my eyes, i've never seen people get MVP so consistently on their FIRST game; i'm sorry but there's a reason you cannot get such results on another character
>>586838336afk farm until 20k soul diff so you can stand on equal ground
>>586836983>players will unironically claim that Mo punishes poor positioning while the fat piggy is functionally immortal even though he is burrowing past the t2 at the 7 minute mark
Secret chinese mo and krill build with magic carpet
Damn they actually nerfed Celeste, unironically she looks fair now.
>>586838715That's great positioning bro, they'd show the same genius tactical acumen on Venator, Vindicta or Abrams.
GET EM YOSHI
>>586838336Shield, flask, cage, ult.Two points flask, two points ult, spike flask, then level shield and cage to taste.Spike gun, spike spirit. Key playstyle items are titanic magainze and quicksilver reload.In lane use shields to avoid trading hp on interaction. Try to avoid buying lane regen if possible. You don't all in, just use your gun to chip away at them with constant spam. If they all-in on you, you all-in them right back, you will win a close range interaction as long as you don't whiff the flask.First power spike is ult, you can now all-in dive. Second powerspike is 2 points in ult, always join first rift with this spike.Build to scale, build hybrid items that scale both gun and spirit.
AhhhhhScepter!
>>586837391stop noticing hypercarries have extremely overloaded kits500 more nerfs to viscous, you see he can heal so he can't deal any damage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz8l5I7ngJYBratty purple guardian..
>>586838467Considering that you already lied, I don't believe what you claim to have seen with your own eyes
>>586839453Deadlock if it had soul
>>586838873>looks fair now>was already < 50% winrate in most ranks prior to patchI guess she DARED to have a 52% winrate in high mmr. I like how no one says shit that Baba has a 61% winrate in high ranks, like no one comments on it and pretend we're dealing with launch day Celeste still.
>>586839463I disregard WR, so i did not.Mo&Krill was retarded, it's just a fact, he's still a character for retards that takes no skill, but now at least he won't carry his "OTP" to the moon
Why did they do a minor update when the item update is coming tomorrow?
what if they made it so Celeste's ult transformed her into her horse form and she could gallop and kick and shoot lasers from her horn and if she pressed 4 again during it she starts shaking her mare booty and winking her dripping mare pussy, causing any enemies that look at her for long enough to become charmed and start walking towards her uncontrollably (like Harrow's ult but in reverse basically)thoughts?
So if we're back in farmslop meta and early game no longer matters..... is egg back? Or is losing lane still too much of a penalty?
I don't think the game has a meta cause whether people say lane matters or not appears to be completely random
Its a deathball m1gger meta
>>586827427Ivy has been the 4chan Deadlock face since there were designated play hours, brickbro
>>586838467>never ever complain about any character that is below 55%So you're just making entirely arbitrary conditions here. That's a meaningfully high winrate, lol.I'm tired of pretending winrate isn't a meaningful statistic. If someone has a 60% winrate in basically every rank across the board, that is indicative of a critical failure.
>>586840023It matters for Drifter and stack character a bit, but otherwise everyone was pretty unanimous that lane hasn't mattered in a while.
>>586838715Yeah he was fat, fast, and could solo kill you so you should probably not have been pushing walker or farming the enemy jungle while he wasn't showing on map. You do watch the map and taking note of missing heroes right? That's an important skill in MOBAs>burrowing past the t2 at the 7 minute markAnd yeah so that never, ever, happened to you, what are you trying to achieve here by lying exactly? You already "won", the hero that made you seethe by stunning you for 3 seconds is an unplayable throw pick now because enough people like you complained
>>586839453the last one is literally just infernus lmao
so im a newfagot and im reading about those celeste is op post like what makes her opher kit is just random shit together she has some fart around hersome dinky shield that isnt even that bigbig aoe that takes 3 buisness days to landand lich ult which is good i guess
>>586839894Egg was never meta, it was mass psychosis by the same 20 dumbfuck streamers, and their viewers took it on faith. No, griefing your Guardian and inspiring the enemy to gank early is not meta. It was something people made up to justify agenda posting against weak early game characters."egg meta" was literally the "rush 4.8k vitality" of the season, except it wasn't just one streamer. The fact the devs listened is very telling.
>>586840214She just lives forever with a lot of healing and spammable spells
>>586839751>I disregard facts so I'm not a liar.Oh ok.If a character for retards that takes no skill has a 52% winrate, he's definitely not overpowered because even a shitter picking him up for the first time can get full value out of him (as you seem to believe).
>>586840214Aoe slop Troonment Shield
>>586840214People subjectively don't like fighting against her. She has a good mid boss ult but it's not even the best in the game, even less so with the new geometry. Her winrate isn't even particularly good, hovers between 48-51%, literally bogstandard.
>>586840214She does basically everything. Shes super mobile, does tons of damage, is super survivable, and has access to hard CC.
>>586839894it may be viable.
>>586840214She isn't OP any more, she used to have way too much healing with radiant regen in recent patches.
Have we ever considered that the "pros"/streamers are retarded and there are viable early game comps and viable late game comps? That we are neither in a farmslop meta OR a tempo "win lane win game" meta?Or is that putting way too much faith in Yoshi?
>>586840116Okay, give me the number then.What's the cutoff? 50% and we have a perfect character with no other factor having to be examined?Except Shiv ofc, and Celeste ofc, and every other hero that were universally recognized as broken by people who play the game more than they look at Statlocker numbers
>>586840214they nerfed her items and now nerfed her.
>>586840316>multiple healbane buffsthe shitter can not counter buy>spammable spellsThe only one with stacks does no damage
>>586840547I can see peen
>>586840380lol no, he was overpowered AND retardedYou being that assblasted about it kinda proves it
>>586822345CRIT2BLEED
Why does Valve keep nerfing Celeste? I think one of the Valve employees got personally stomped by Celeste in a ranked match recently. That's the only explanation.Justice for Celeste! Buff Celeste!
>>586840530Shiv and Celeste aren't broken, some people are shitters. Community discourse =/= reality. Remember how Viscous was nerfed to irrelevance and his peak winrate in the game was 51%. He wasn't even carrying games, people just didn't like him.Win rates are valuable data.
>>586840597Yeah she is not nearly as strong after radian regen nerf and adjustments, still a lot of people struggle to stick on her, and if she doesn’t get M1d down from someone with good tracking she does stay alive for a pretty decent time still
>>586840214Celeste would be weak in a healthier game.Alas, like Harrow and other AoE slopper she's strong because games are entirely decided on teamfights taking place in minuscule area, so any ult whose only counterplay is "Leave the area for 10 seconds at least" are strong by default.
>>586840675>lol no, he was overpowered AND retardedOh ok makes sense. Solid argument.>if you disagree with me you are mad therefore proving you are wronglol, are you sure you aren't a M&K player false flagging? You do seem like the type of person who would play him by your own description, namely a low IQ retarded subhuman
>>586840547>Circumcized That's it, I'm pulling my advertisements off of 4channel. I expected better from the moderators of this place but clearly they can't keep it clean.
>>586840547ILL TAKE YOUR DICK
>>586840530>universally recognized as brokenkek, by "universally recognized" you mean by a dozen whiny streamers who aren't even good at the game but the devs listen to for some reason?
Explain why Apollo was buffed again after his winrate already skyrocketed
>>586840440You have described every carry in the game.>has access to hard ccCompared to Haze, Infernus, and Wraith it's nothing.
>>586836630what if you could go here to deposit unconfirmed souls to be returned to you with interest (+50%) and changed to confirmed souls after delay, but enemy players could rob your vault and take all the souls. the banks alarms would blare when doing so.
>>586841207Yeah the kit design in this game is dogshit, that's why everyone constantly complains about basically every character
>>586841201They balance based on community feedback, they have no internal philosophy. I know because I play in custom games with their own balance patches, they are of comparable quality to live Deadlock patchnotes. It's hobbyist tier.
>>586841326yepMost people have yet to figure this out and instead agenda post 24/7. In Deadlock, overloaded kits are common place.
>>586841326>>>/vg/owg is always ready to welcome you back
>>586841201People didn't know about the "parry before he makes contact" thing so they were getting wrecked by inexperience. He really needed that fix or people would have figured out how to counter him fast. The increase on the ult damage is just because they need people to write more Apollo fanfics for publicity.
>>586840629>>586841141>>586840945Ok but please answer I really want to play him for obvious reasons.
>>586841201Reverse Psychology:When he was nerfed his winrate went up, so clearly if they buff him he'll be brought back into line.
Canon Billy
When is we getting metaprogression maps with VN stories, cosmetics and other amusements like in dota?
>>586841636>I really wanna play mirage No you don't
>>586841201The riposte change was good but it felt bad that people could fight back, so they changed it to feel good.
>>586841739After Grey Talon and Viscous get actual models.
>>586841636No no, I don't fall for the attention getting image trick bud. You just cost this great website a sponsorship
>>586841739Late spring 2027 at the earliest
>>586840906I mean, what do you want me to say?Your entire argument rely on metric i find irrelevant, that has proven to be irrelevant.You want me to say that you were skilled for outdamaging Calico and outtanking Abrams last patch, that it was all you, but i can't.I've been playing with a lot of different people, i've switched and seen people switch between a bunch of characters, no one had better results on the first game.I'd rather play Deadlock than Statlocker, there's a reason i celebrate when i see a McGinnis in the ennemy team and i dread every game where i see a comparatively weaker Harrow/Wraith/Venator
>>586841810It will also silence next patch
>>586841743I do it's funny when his mark blows someone up for half their health..
>>586841975Poor McGinnis really has to sit in the shithole forever because bricks chase into turrets...
those nerfs will hit me hard...i was already struggling...
>crackshots you for your entire healthbar>does thisyour response?
I root for Calc because he makes youtubers mad for speaking his mind when they do stupid shit.
>>586840547You gotta throw them off and just activate it at 3 or 4 stacks so they can't predict when to dispel.
>>586841975>haha winrates mean nothing>see mcginnis isn't carrying games>(look up)>(has bogstandard winrate)
Anyone have a link to the NA guy ranting about how he quit his paralegal job for deadlock?
>>586841975>muh feels over reals and also I have brick opinions about game balance>but... I played the game a lot... I know... stuff... some heroes are just strong I know it when I see it okay...I don't want you to say anything lol you're a waste of oxygenAlso not sure why you are so shocked that someone can perform well on their first time playing a hero that we both agree has a LOW SKILL FLOOR - meaning you do not need to practice the hero to be good at it
>>586842527The problem is if anon acknowledges that rank specific winrates are a good gauge as to how strong a character is, it means they can't shitpost about how a 46% winrate character is secretly broken.That anon isn't even an anomaly, he's the average person giving feedback.
McGinnis is just bad graves. Change my mind (you can't).
>>586842280>I don't own any stallions Holliday please calm down
>they actually just want Rat King to be an ult bot If you're not gonna let him do damage then just rework his kit cause his ult is not enough to make him an actual tank
>>586842472McGinnis have had above average winrates forever, and she's absolute dogshit.Winrates only reflects shift, not state, the mirage main like the haze main are both pushed toward 50%, wether or not they end up in eternus or mystic.
>>586842982Did you have to post that
>>586842982Finally... hetero Silver fanart...
>one guy on my team sells a 40 minute game by dying in enemy base instead of going midAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH KILL YOURSELF VENATOR
>>586843001I think he's currently a fine balance between being an off-tank and off-dps, but nerfing his grenades was huffing idiot juice (reading the discord for feedback)
>>586843121>those eyesso pretty.....
>>586842982>silver >fedShe's skinny as fuck in game for a reason
>>586842639Honestly, the average person giving feedback is intentionally trolling in bad faith and attempting to meme a meta into existence that favors the heroes they 'main'. They want other heroes to be unplayably weak and you can tell Valve listens to these people with some of these awful patches. I think I was too harsh to that guy because he's at least saying what he believes to be true
You say that but remember when Baba came out and people thought she was weak as fuck and underpowered for like 1-2 days until people figured out the broken shit on her?
>>586843053McGinnis is fine. What she lacks in raw carry potential she makes up with somewhat decent build variety as the devs corner everyone into a singular build. The wall alone makes her a team fight demon as the enemy either needs to burn their stamina, freeze their position to heavy melee, or eat shit (unless their name is Danny).She's not amazing but she's decent binding glue for a team. I think her winrate reflects the impact she had in matches I've seen. She's simply not a hypercarry and that's fine.
>>586843228because the devs are terrified of making conventionally attractive womenclosest is geist, who's entire thing is that she's meant to be a super high class milf femme fataleand she's just got an average build
>>586843053How does someone grow to have such blind confidence in their own retardation
>>586843279>the average person giving feedback is intentionally trolling in bad faith and attempting to meme a meta into existence that favors the heroes they 'main'This is just Deadlock Night Shift players.They engage in mass psychosis, the devs listen to them, and then have to roll back their retarded reactionary balance patches.
>>586843396no? people instantly knew spirit steal was bullshit
>>586843396She is weak tho
>>586843053retard
>>586843421Not that guy but I legit think McGinnis is in the bottom 3 heroes in the game right now. She is just very easy to play and that keeps her winrate from being too bad.
>>586842280She does not look like that.
>>586841201Looking at the numbers on statlocker, his winrate didn't really spike at all from the previous patch (the initial Riposte change one). From Rat King to the Riposte patch, overall his winrate went down by 0.2% and rose by 1~2% in higher ranks.I do think that a lot of the negativity towards the Riposte change was a knee-jerk reaction from people without testing it out in real games. Combine that with melee/gun Apollo not being the favored playstyle of a lot of his players. It has obvious counterplay, but it still has a lot of positives attached to it.We'll likely see a large uptick in his pickrate and winrate now that the ability has fewer downsides, even if the previous iteration wasn't all bad.By the way, if there's a better/more reliable site for this sort of thing than statlocker, do let me know.
>>586843893god i've been using the remodel for so long now i forgot how dogshit the original model is
>>586843396you had people IN THIS VERY THREAD going>ERMM BUT HER WINRATEfor literal daysfucking MORONS and I hope they fucked off forever with how retarded they are.
what do i do on drifter if my unstoppable is on cooldown, he cant play the game when bowels are being emptied on me with aoe diarrhea
>>586844225you either build tanky/brawler and stay in the fight with low cooldown q'sor you play him as intended, swoop in, kill the squishies, swoop outleave stalker's mark on them and finish them off when they've backed off a bit if you're not fed enough to one-shot them
>>586844225Get covered in poopy aoe slop like the rest of us
>>586844225You don't have to dive if it's going to get you killed. It's fine to play front to back in team fights too.
>>586843935Yeah, I think the change nerfed him in some matchups, but overall it was a buff to his laning, which is more important. I've played around with gettibg Spirit Snatch but not investing in the 2, and it felt very playable.The change is probably because it feels wrong that people could punch him back.
>>586843879If she has a low skill ceiling, high skill floor, but is sitting at around 50% even in top ranks, that just means she's a very consistent character, no? I want to ask what character is sitting at around 50% winrate that isn't representative of their performance. Even if a character is extremely sink or swim, then that means it's easy to slip up and lose your chance at a lead, meaning there's counter play.I don't think there are truly broken or underpowered characters in that bracket.
>>586844225drifter is not an initiatoryou're an assassinplay like it
>>586844125This is worse than the original model faggot
Do I build Venator extra tanky because of his awful fall off and poor mobility? Or do I buy shit like sharpshooter?
>>586844674her gun isn't even textured in the original modelher fucking pants have visible vertices deformationsyou're retarded
>Standard matchmaking is full on forced 50% with 90% of games being stomps>Either the drooling retards are on the enemy team or it's your turn to lose>Winstreaks are ALWAYS followed by lose streaks and with progressively more retarded teammates if you keep winningIs ranked any different?
>>586844674I'm trans btw.Don't know if that matters!
Mo winrates was, and is dragged down, by people playing him like an hyper carry and depriving their team from farm, that was the reason for the change.
>>586845034no but you get protection shields
>>586843396certain characters appear weak because retards play them and don't understand what the character is supposed to he doing. on release retards were playing Baba like Abrams and feeding like crazy
>>586845034>>Winstreaks are ALWAYS followed by lose streaks and with progressively more retarded teammates if you keep winninghttps://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-gamblers-fallacy
>>586845034as with any teamgamelearn how to carry
>>586845098He had lower winrates in higher ranks so that makes no sense. He was only a problem for brick shitters like (You).
>>586845034>le forced 50%uh oh, retard alert
>>586843396Her numbers looked insane immediately but it took a couple games to figure out how to play her and like a day for everyone to learn the build
>>586845242I wish it was that, but when you get 2-3 drooling retards with 20k damage in a 50m game or when they feed 10 kills by 9 minutes I would indeed consider gamblers fallacy... If I didn't get this 3-4 games in a row with retards like this after every winstreak.
>>586843490>>586843850How do you explain Shiv having below average winrates at every rank when his winrate meaningfully shift between patches?
>>586845452My xister... 5% or less are actual fun balanced matches, the rest are stomps in which the winning team is solely decided by exactly two factor: how much aoe slop (press 4 to win) heroes and which team gets the drooling nigger.
>>586845034Play a duo
>>586845463Your intuition for what kinds of things about the world can be true based on observed information is very poor. Also you realize you're often getting matched with new players in their first few games when you queue standard right? I'm sure you fed and got lost easily when you first started too
>>586844889Both are not great, his base hp is mid so greens don’t scale very hard and while his velocity is high so is his spread. All things considered I think getting warpstone and sharpshooter makes sense but it isn’t the meta build
>>586843121>that dogwould
>>586844601Mcginnis in high ranks is like 5 people dude. She is pretty bad right now.
I don't want to learn box routesSo I just brool
>>586845916Join us in Aryanbrawl
I go to bed and wake up to see hitler released a patch for deadlock nerfing healbane, buffing harrow. Like what the fuck?
>>586845436Yes, even top 1% ranked ( Duo queue max ) don't play selflessly and their character WR can be shot by carried retards (You)Post Statlocker profile
>>586846168Signs that the apocalypse (role queue) is coming soon.
>586846274Don't reply to me unless it's in fluent English, please.
>>586843396It's because she was/is weak unless you buy the mandatory items
Keep crying about Mo nerfs, it wont unrape your character
I like how people act like they care about balanced matchmaking. C'mon, be honest with yourself we all know you just want easy wins and no losses.
Mo players seemingly cannot do shit on other characters cuz huh... they don't like their design as much!
as drifter or mina is it ok if i just go afk and throw the towel if i lose lane phase and i'm 5 levels behind? I don't see the point of continuing if i deal zero damage to them and farming to catch up is boring and kinda impossible anyway. I usually just open kovaak and practice aim while moving around before the 10 minute ban to not get banned
>>586845818>Also you realize you're often getting matched with new players in their first few games when you queue standard right? I'm sure you fed and got lost easily when you first started too.So standard mmr is a myth? Also I remember seeing that ranked has a much smaller % of players here so I asked if it was different.
>>586846412Complaining is all you need to do though, it works for everyone else (except Silverfags because they're too obnoxious).
>>586846563i'm pretty sure standard mmr is 100% a myth, whenever i pick a hero i'm actually good at i rape so hard it's not even funny
>>586845832I guess I'll just position better so the fall off doesn't matter as much. There's definitely ways to get into range of dudes without tanking a bunch of damage getting in range.
>>586846513>C'mon, be honest with yourself we all know you just want to have an actual possibility of winning instead of what feels like forced losses.Ftfy.
>>586845898If one person can play her good, then she is good, simple as
>>586846563You won't get any new players in ranked obviously since they had to unlock ranked. Standard MMR still exists but the standard matchmaker finds matches quickly and doesn't care much about keeping the games fair
>>586846552>as drifter or minaseems accurate for retarded mina and drifter players. convinced they are carries when in reality the 4-0 kelvin is gonna win the game for you
I love Toxic Bullets and Tesla BulletsI love itemslop (unironic)
>>586846552Nah you deserve your ban. The comeback mechanics are overtuned right now and you're just being a whiny bitch.
>>586846826how? Every time i tried it was impossible to catch up
>>586846552>highest skill aimtroon
>>586845702The meta isn't exclusively dominated by AOE slop, you also got gun slop (Vyper) or just stat checking sustain (Baba).
>>586846753A handful of Eternus players converging on 50% winrate after hundreds of games is not the stunning endorsement you think it is.
>>586845898High ranks is like 5 people.Silver VI is the 70th percentile, the devs fucked up. They copy pasted a ranked system designed for another genre, that was already hated in that genre.Basically winrates Eternus or Ascendent are irrelevant because the sample size is too low. This is why anyone citing something like DLNS for balancing is a bumbling retard.
>>586846552I don't know about Mina but my impression is she has decent farm because of rake execute so she should be able to catch up just by going into jungle for 5 minutes, basically untouchable in there unless someone really hates you and decide to counterbuild early.Drifter is a bit worse at farming but his passive and silence on 1 means he can actually fight decently against a soul disadvantage, so invade jungle, try and kill their farming carries, and if you ever hear more than one heartbeat around you, get out of there.Alternatively just quit the game because your mentality in this post is perma-shitter and I probably don't want you in my games even if you improve mechanically.
>>586846513I played Haze and won 8 games in a row, then stopped playing Haze. Stomps aren't fun, but maybe ranked subhumans like the constant dopamine drip.
Am I really supposed to build gun on Apollo?
>>586846513I should genuinely and unironically be allowed to play with people of lower skill/elo then me because I don't play sweaty.
>>586847652No.You're supposed to build a blend melee/tank/spirit
>>586847249I don’t know what you meanIt’s 50% against other eternus players, so it’s at least not bad. I wasn’t talking about convergence either(I’m a different anon). If a single player can put up 60% in eternus then I weigh that more than the 500 e+ players who coinflips
>>586847652Gun Apollo is better than you'd expect, but I don't think it's optimal. Definitely should buy some of the cheaper melee items at least.
if i die at least 3 times in lane i get depressed and lose motivation. It is what it is
>>586847485Mina sucks in generalAll her numbers are way too lowshe's not good to begin with and she falls off super hard by midgame
>>586847652You build spirit with melee charge spirit snatch maybe lifestrike and point blank.
>>586847379This is a midwit take broBy definition the sample size of the top 1% will be small
>>586847652most cancerous apollo I saw was a dipshit who went full spiritsteal/tankwas unkillable and shitting out damage without hitting anything but 1s
>>586847652ignore the other 2 retards, go gun apollo
how the fuck do i even play melee driftereveryone seems to insta-parry perfectly, i unironically believe people have mods that auto-parry when the heavy melee sound plays
>>586848241>>586848241>>586848241NEW
>>586848019This is in and of itself a midwit take.Eternus is the top 0.5%. Eternus VI is the top 0.03%. Like what the fuck.
>>586848079This also go Spirit Silver
>>586847963i love this thread because i get to read the dumbest shit ever conceived by subhuman scum
>>586848173melee drifter works best if others are distracted, obviously melee drifter does nothing in a 1v1 so you need to sneak up on people who are already fighting someone else
I wish characters had theme music.Imagine, two versions that seamlessly play/swap towards the match, one neutral, and one that plays when you're on fire.The game's music is so good but there's so little of it.
>>586848256The badge doesn’t matter bro they can change eternus to be top 10% or top 0.001%
>>586848173Heavy melees are really easy to parry, only throw them when they're distracted or you baited out their parry after feinting your melee. Never confirm kills with heavy or light melees because people will always parry when they're extremely low on HP and you're in melee range, they have no other options.
>>586848173>everyone seems to insta-parry perfectly, i unironically believe people have mods that auto-parry when the heavy melee sound playssome people do use autoparry cheats but that's not why you're getting parried from heavy melees, any semi-competent player can parry those. if you get consistently parried from light melees that might be autoparry>how the fuck do i even play melee drifterdo not randomly heavy melee people you're asking to get parried and you only have yourself to blameyou can bait parry by swerving to the side after heavy meleeingor use fleetfoot to cancel your heavy melee and bait parriesor only light meleeor don't melee since your 1 applies your melee items and you have good gun damage at close range"melee drifter" is not a real build anyway he's a hybrid hero that likes to buy melee items. do not buy crushing fists on himdon't listen to >>586848359 this is retarded non-advice
>>586847754No one is putting up 60% with her in eternus. They're just a few die hard Mcgunnis mains who think she's fun and can make up for her weaknesses. No one is trying out Mcginnis for the first time in Eternus, and no one but these same few guys are playing the hero at all. Exceptional players getting 50% winrate, while everyone else refuses to play the hero, does not mean a hero is good. Mcginnis is a very bad hero who is very easy to play. If she was good in any way she would be hitting 55% winrate or higher because she is very easy to play. How much more explanation do you need? She is bad Graves.
>>586831516old abrams was ugly as fuck you're retarded
>>586848620Okay, lemme reword my point.DLNS is like several dozen people in a very insular community. They are at high risk of mass psychosis, and just because they find problem with something does not mean it reflects how the top 1% will react to these new metas. Despite this, the devs are extremely receptive to their feedback without giving time for these metas to slow cook in public lobbies or develop themselves. Popular Deadlock streamers are disproportionately leaning towards the top 500, but again, similar complaints there, disproportionate expose to feedback and reaction by the devs.You're implying that we shouldn't give a shit about the rank badge and just say "okay this is the top 1%". Fair, but the funny badge and celebrity status heavily affects discourse, eg this thread.
>>586849924cont.Also I do want to double down, top 1% is too low a sample size anyway. I'm seeing Seekers outplay ults that Eternus players are complaining about, we need to stop using extreme short hands for what is or isn't valid feedback.
>>586835114retard
>>586816078Pocket's entire existence revolves around pressing 4 in a teamfight and then dying now, because the dev's have no fucking clue what they are doing.
>>586848863Stevie b has a pretty good winrate on her but yes graves is better
Deadlock if it was good.
>>586853454>Abrams' tome not replaced with the funny sandvich
>>586854286its the bombinomicon retard the sandwich has no magical powers
parry mechanic is retardedespecially when these fags buy rebuttalit's not fun at all
>>586857130Melee and parry in this game is just shit.Remove parry, remove light melee, keep heavy melee, but make the hit box easier to dodge and not land from one mile away (you jump, you dash)
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