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I’m gay
*headpats your OC*
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I wish SEGA didn't disrespect the Adventure era gameplay. It wouldn't be so bad that they don't use it anymore if they at least didn't disrespect it constantly.
i really do want a sonic collectathon
>>587033983
>>587033983I want a male sheep with a big chest
You guys are not gonna like this and you don't have to believe me since you have no reason to, but the Freedom Fighters are going to make a multi-pronged comeback, a lot of moving parts are coming together for synergy>they're gonna end Movie 4 with a 2d animated segment. It's gonna be like picrel but with the SatAM cast. Professor Tori in movie 3 was sort of the prototype test to see if this kind of planning could work. They determined it did.>the idw tails special announced is for his 35th anniversary, classic Tails is going to meet a group of "Freedom Fighters" on Mt Mobius who are fighting his old nemesis the Battle Kukku so he teams up with them. The designs will be lifted from Archie Reboot "Genesis of a Hero" special story>the Netflix kids series is going to star them alongside classic Sonic and classic Tails fighting Eggman and Ixis Naugus on Mt Mobius. Jaleel white is currently being asked to return as Sonic, not confirmed if he will>they will appear in the next mainline game but I don't know anything about it aside from the Modern designs being Archie Reboot as wellCan't share any more than this but I figured this is the best place to spread the message and feel out how people will feel about their "grand return" (or the end times depending on how you feel about them)
>>587033923We know, Tails.
>>587034014The disrespect that exists in your head I guess
>>587034126cope
>>587034126lol nice engagement bait. denied.
Did you bros know about Sonic Drift 16-bit
>>587034126this is like saying dragon ball evolution 2 is coming out
>>587034212>>587034232wtf you retards read that?
I'm straight
>>587034160No, the disrespect that exists in interviews like these https://www.polygon.com/2017/9/19/16333174/sonic-adventure-3-will-never-happen/ and videos like these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SChPv1Z-c0M and series "celebrations" like Sonic Generations ignoring the Adventure gameplay.
>>587034126Do you have a single fact to back that up?
>>587034345We know, Knuckles.
>>587034126This doesn't even attempt to be half-believable like all the other fake leaks on here.
>>587034126you could at least take it to /co/ they might fall for this
>>587034360>"we dont wanna go back to that">somehow this is disrespect>*they make a game where they clearly didnt have either time or budget for another gameplay style but still have adventure be a notable "era"*>somehow this is disrespectLemme guess, its also disrespect that "adventure sonic" wasnt an acknowledged design like classic was huh?
>>587034643We fell for it too (it's engagement bait)
>>587034360Sega has been insecure about the Adventure series for a long time. It's because they're considered the gold standard for 3D Sonic, yet nobody at Sega can recreate it anymore.
>this leak is totally fake>butttttt ill give it (You)s anyway
>>587034643Co is for comics and cartoons aint it? If theyre gonna be in the games then its a v matter
>>587034729Believe it or not they can't recreate the classics anymore either, and they admitted that in the lead-up to Sonic 4.
>>587034729But we got the Adventure formula back in Frontiers
>>587034757Who’s butt?
>>587034126This is totally fake, but I will give you a (You) anyways
>>587034880Whoevers it is they should wear less
Watching Sonic X made me think spindash was not possible without Rings
I love living in a dystopia.
>>587035083it isn't
>>587034706>>"we dont wanna go back to that"If it was just that it would be fine. The problems are the reason given for it, which presents the simplified versions of the boost gameplay as a definitive evolution of the Adventure gameplay rather than their own thing, and the claim that they don't want to make nostalgia games (fine by itself) when they do just that all the time for a different era. It's a double standard.>they clearly didnt have either time or budget for another gameplay styleThere is no proof of this.>but still have adventure be a notable "era"Currently Sonic Team doesn't even say this anymore, they say everything from 1998 to 2020 is a single era. https://sonic-city.net/2026/09/30/takashi-iizuka-defines-three-eras-of-sonic-says-a-new-generation-began-with-the-movies-in-2020/>>587034729I don't think this is true. First off, what is the "gold standard for 3D Sonic" is a matter of opinion, there are people who don't agree with that, and for they want those people to be their audience more than they do those who actually liked those games, or at least they definitely did in the 2010s. I don't think it's true that they can't recreate it. They just don't want to, or someone at SEGA doesn't want them to.
on the topic of satam where does the name Naugus come from? Like what does that mean? what made them choose to name him that?
Bioware is coming back and they're going to make Sonic Chronicles 2.
>>587035214My honest reaction
>>587035186Forgot to add to this>There is no proof of this.No, the English voice actors allegedly auditioning for the game doesn't prove anything regarding the game design. The game still says Modern Sonic is the representative of Sonic's gameplay from 1998 onward, which is absurd by the way.>>587034840I enjoyed Frontiers, but no, we didn't.
Would Kit be a fan of Dylan and Eric?
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>>587020870Thanks for blocking the view, Ian.
>>587034467Fake N Forced!
>>587035186Would you say the Advance games were NOT advancements of the Classic formula just because the physics are the same?Sonic Team says Boost is the evolution of Adventure because it is. SA1 invented automation and spectacle setpieces. SA2 invented hallways you run down and snappy reaction pieces like Ring Trails for LSD. Just because Sonic feels different when you control him now doesn't make that untrue
>>587035418aren't the same* meant to say
They're officially changing Silver's name to Uwuver the Cinnamonroll
>>587035486Change it to "The Raped".
>>587035486I hope so. Here needs to be a submissive bitch to every male villain
>>587035316kek
>>587033672Yeah man that totally lines up with how Tails Knuckles Amy and Mecha Sonic got locked to Classic>>587033658Proof? His videos make fun of everything modern way more than they do classic
>>587035769stfu
>>587035769>Tails and Knuckles appear in both therefore it's not true that other things aren't locked to one or the other!Bad argument.
>>587035769>Proof?Watch any of his content when SA2 comes up?
Wish I may, wish I mightBe someone else tonightSometimes I wish I was never born at allAnd I'll try to save the world'Cause in the end I knowI'm the chosen one
>>587035884The content from him i watch is [sonic game in x minutes]. I dont wanna see his fucking animated podcast bullshit
>>587035905Stop killing yourself, niggerdow. Do something!
people have attempted to "resurrect" Maria as a mobian and 100% of the times it's just blonde Amy. which proves that shadamy is indeed shadria's successor
>>587035658>Sega look just adds cuffs
>>587035948Didn't ask, just telling you you're misinformed.
>>587035845Its a bad argument to say Mania and Superstars are evidence of the stage clear theme being affected by the split. Sonic started experimenting with new themes in the mainline capacity since Unleashed, and continued so in Colors (then LW Forces Frontiers etc). So even before the split, it wasn't being used since 06. If not for Generations' "harkening back", we'd not have it back at all since 06
>>587036025I didnt know not having his cock down my throat meant i was misinformed
what was vector going to say to shadow
>>587035971
>>587036084Making a false conclusion based on a lack of information means you're misinformed dipshit, now you know.
>>587036092Probably something about how Shadow is a good guy who did good things
>>587036092he was going to call him a m*bian (with a hard n)
>>587036223
>>587035658HOT and SEXY
>>587036243Mobian isn't a slur.
Hola~! I'm HONEY~! Honey the--CRAP!!
It's happening
>>587036171Didnt ask, make sure to zip it up when youre done
>>587035418>SA1 invented automation and spectacle setpieces>SA2 invented hallways you run downThose are in Sonic 1.I don't think your comparison is accurate. The difference between them isn't just a difference in control feel. The movesets and level design philosophy are vastly different. All Sonic games, besides Frontiers open zone during regular gameplay, share that they are linear point A to point B obstacle courses, with occasional spectacle, and with a score system that asks players to be quick and avoid taking damage. You accurately notice that this is the case for the 3D games (yet you fail to for the 2D ones, somehow), but then use this base Sonic gameplay identity to handwave away every other difference as "just controls". Controls, especially if you consider movement and movesets to be a part of the controls, are also just extremely important even by themselves, because they determine what kind of level design you get. For instance, we wouldn't get quickstep sections without the quickstep. Mechanics have also been altered for the boost gameplay, such as action states or what can or can't be Homing Attacked, and when. Or how the Boost functions and where it can be used, for example, on rails. Boost games also have constant 2D sections, which are completely absent from the early 3D gameplay identity. Unleashed's day stages aren't an evolution of the Adventure styled games, they're an abrupt change. It's an evolution of the Rush gameplay, which itself was disregarding a lot of the original 2D mechanics (they're in the code, generally not relevant to the gameplay experience and completely removed from Unleahsed), so there is in fact a disconnect between Adventure and Boost. Even if you want to say it's an evolution though, which I would say applies to the 2D games being adapted into Adventure for 3D (apparently controversial to some people), I still don't think that excuses the differences not being recognized and appreciated like 2D is (and should be).
>>587036365Giantess is such a shit fetish
>>587036340https://youtu.be/WyGZyoWl7uo
>>587036445Gay people aren't welcomed here
>>587036409This isn't a dump for your gay fantasies, homo.
>>587036323WOAH woah woah i will not have bigotry in this generalyou can call them islanders or jokerians if you get the j-word pass
>>587033469>Madonna/Maria is a blonde haired blue eyed woman who has a name referencing the Virgin Mary.That..had to have been unintentional, right??
>>587036547>Only >I< can lewd Maria!!!
>>587036508This general has more gay people than straight
>>587036626Probably. We know Maria's design inspo from that animanga. Likely she was then given the name to simply reflect her untainted purity. I sure don't think it's meant to be a Mary Garnet reference
>>587036663male gays are honorary straightsfoids of all kind are banished from straightdom
>>587036626some SA2 booklets had the ''Mary garnet'' story packed in, it's probably intentional.
>>587036663Yeah but we are homophobic gays, not gay gays
>>587036340>Honey the Crap
>>587036057>If not for Generations' "harkening back", we'd not have it back at all since 06Except this is not true. If there wasn't a separate series to absorb and contain certain elements, then they would have to find their way into the main series if the developers want to use them or if the public wants them. A game like Superstars could still have been made as part of the main series without the split.There is some truth to what you're saying. I think Senoue likes using variations of the Sonic 3 stage clear theme in every game, while Ohtani likes making unique stage clear themes for each game. But that is just proof of the problem. Because of Generations, Ohtani became the Modern Sonic sound director, while Senoue has been relegated to Classic/spinoff games as the legacy Classic Sonic composer. If the division didn't exist, Senoue could work on any game.
>>587036663Jacking it to cartoons doesn't make you gay.
Im starting to think sonic addressing royalty by "your highness/majesty" is ooc because he wouldnt care to recognize that authority and just treat them regular. He doesnt do this to Blaze or Elise
>>587037329What is this
>>587037329What do you think that room smells like?
>>587037392a cult gathering
>>587037329reminder uwuver has an audience and you can't just take him away from his fans
>>587037453Even evan stopped doing uwuver (the arc still sucks)but what determines silver's fanbase will be is what he will be like in the movies
>>587036906Generations didn't make Ohtani the modern sound director. Again, that started in 06, and he kept that till this day aside from Generations, only because artists got to remix their own tracks for Gens and Gens uses more Senoue tracks than Ohtani tracks. Without Gens Senoue is just never a sound director againYou can schizo other things about the split. In the matter of the stage clear theme, Ohtani stopped keeping it after 06
>>587037453Evan should go back to drawing Uwuver and his garden. It has more appeal than the last chapter
I don't like chilli dogs at all. Wow they're bad. I have never tasted anything this terrible in my life.
>>587036790Thats retarded. Fags are fags
>>587037605Shadow…
Another day without drawing anything.Assiona.
>>587036437>You accurately notice that this is the case for the 3D games (yet you fail to for the 2D ones, somehow)Not him but 3D games rank you and Classic games don't unless you fell for the "play for score" meme
>>587037602If we went by what had appeal we would have movies replace the games>>587037605Bad taste alert
>>587037602The last arc probably had heavy intervention by sega judging by them noticing fandom discourse.but blazesperging aside, he also feels too chill or lacking in bite,i feel like he should be more emotionally unhinged a bit but i think his design being simple and soft colors instead of using flashy signals that he will either be softer or calm chill guy. i wonder if silver would be easier to get for writers if he kept the venice design.
>>587037596>Without Gens Senoue is just never a sound director againAnd how do you know this? What I do know is that if Generations wasn't made, Senoue would have been free to work on another game, and the Sonic 3 stage clear theme wouldn't become associated with the Classic Sonic series.
>>587037637women aren't people
>Lanolin is fucking dead and replaced with Jewel
>>587037756I know no one actually plays for score, but the score is there and that is its intended purpose. It keeps track of how you play and rewards you based on it (by giving you more lives). Score isn't the only thing I noted about Sonic gameplay, all those games whether 2D or 3D still fit the description I gave even if you remove score from it.>3D games rank you and Classic gamesSonic Adventure is a 3D game and doesn't use the ranking system, only score.
>>587037972She's locked in the Resistance rape dungeon for her crimes
Krack is Chronicles
>>587037934trvke
>>587037881>Senoue would have been free to work on another gameYou said yourself he became spinoff material.>Sonic 3 stage clear theme wouldn't become associated with the Classic Sonic series.If you can admit Senoue reusing that theme is his choice then why weaponize it for your annoying split war agenda? The only jingle they can reuse is either the 3 one that he made or the CD one he didn't, since they'd have to pay for the Sonic 1-2 one.
>>587036790>>587037934Fags and foids out.
>>587037723a full page of boxes as penance
>>587037831>i feel like he should be more emotionally unhinged a bitRemember when Silver attacked Mimic and then instead of handling it like a game would where they move on past it, the entire OC cast turned on him and iced him out as if he committed murder? I think Ian and Evan don't care about the writing of the Rivals games or even 06
>>587037972Jewel finally getting to do what she was created for. That said this is practically a perfect cover
>>587036340shouldn't the basketball hoop have been at the gymnasium and not the auditorium lol? backwards japanese schools
i asked you a FUCKING question
>>587037972There is still a non 0% chance Lanolin ends up being the cloaked guy and she is talking with the dead corpse of Starline
>>587038070Now that's just silly
>>587038076>You said yourself he became spinoff material.Wouldn't have happened if he worked on brand new games instead of some nostalgiaslop like Generations in the early 2010s.>If you can admit Senoue reusing that theme is his choice then whyBecause the split contributes to him working on different projects.>your annoying split war agendaI don't want a war. A war only exists because certain people decided to cause division, to create a split, making the series into two different series that distance themselves from one another. I want this stupid war to end.
>>587038407What game is this?
>Jewel finally getting to do what she was created for.We can finally SEX her...?
is a Sonic Adventure 3 really an unmatchable idea? Can it just not be done?
>>587038472A game he's making
>>587038498Who is "he"?
>>587038194the whole diamond cutters thing is a forced meme to begin with.what did you think about the latest arc? it's not really uwuver but i am not sure it still feels off for him.
>>587038538AnonymousHe only posts his progress here
>>587038538Ken Penders's disobedient son unironically
>>587038491It came out 20 years ago
>>587038491It can be done.
>>587038604It has to be called Sonic Adventure 3 or else it doesn't count
>>587038594Scribbles has denied that but has not denied being some other relative..
>>587038538d-art
Dow
>>587038604Cool, I like that game, can we have another one now that it's been a while? Preferably in a more polished and less buggy state.
>>587038690Canon and in character
>>587038174not again....
The only way an SA3 would hit fan expectations is if it has a GTA level budget
>>587038482its such a forced meme that Jewel is "hot"
>>587038690Based
>>587038407I can't believe someone out there gives enough fucks about this.
>>587038604Heroes 06 Shadow and Unleasshed are NOT SA3.SA3 needs>Multiple stories>Chao Garden>Momentum gameplay>Being called SA3
>>587038740We moved on. The next game isnt even gonna have Boost either
>>587038848I think a fun IC story and an accurate gameplay experience are more important.
>>587038970Add the chao garden mod to 06
>>587038740We have that too.
>>587039032A new game? Where?
>>587038983How do you know it wont
>>587038956; ; i do
>>587039079>I like that game, can we have another one now that it's been a while? Preferably in a more polished and less buggy state.It's called P-06.
>>587039080Kishimoto told me Frontiers only had Boost to ween people off and that his real goal is a new Generation of Sonic separate from Adventure and Boost
>>587038983>We moved on.This response doesn't work. Not when this exists. SEGA makes and rereleases throwback Sonic games all the time, as long as the throwback is for a specific era. So it's not that they don't want to use old gameplay.
>>587038956Krack...
06 is called SA3 but it's really SA1-2
The next game will have boost
>>587039195I said another one, as in a new game in that style, not an incomplete remake that takes all the stage models and level design from an old already existing game
>>587039280greedy motherfucker just play P-06
>>587039338When you really think about it Sonic games are all about being greedy
>>587039215retard
>>587039338I'm greedy for suggesting that SEGA makes another game like that after only doing every other style for 2 decades?
>>587039381Don't think about it.
>>587039456Hi Krack
I hate chilli dogs too. It's more proof that Sonic isn't relatable because these things are disgusting. At least pizza or burgers if he had to love junk food.
>>587039458Yes. ST abandoned that model cause it was ass.
Greed is our enemy. Once it starts, you will always want more
>>587039580Sonic isn't supposed to be relatable
You can't just go calling everyone Krack though
>>587039648Tikal, you say that EVERY night.
>>587039648But the whole game is about collecting gold. You only need one piece to play properly but you collect as much as possible even though it's easy to lose. You're rewarded for greed. Gambling is in half the games, a sport for greedy people. Our main character does everything for his own personal joy, that's greedy. It's all about greediness.
>>587039627It's okay if you don't like those games, but I like many others like them and would like another game made with that style. You've had 20 years of every other style, so aren't you the one being greedy here?
>>587039767Evan will pay for what she did to Silver.
>>587039658okSparky
>>587039803Nah, all Uwuver haters will burn in hell. This is the best version of Silver
>>587039748Lore wise though the Echidnas were greedy, not Sonic
>>587039627Am I the only one here who thinks SA2 is worse than the boost games? It has the same problems. All of the levels are hallways except for the treasure hunting levels which are all ass. The easiest way to beat each level is to stop in place and keep spindashing because that's faster than just running. It's janky as fuck and two thirds of the game are taken up by padding. The level variety is literally worse than Forces. It's just one jungle and then militaryshit temples for the entire fucking game. I think adventurefags only like it for the plot.
>>587039803Hate it all you want, it’s the main thing that will always set him apart from Sonic and Shadow. He loses a lot of appeal without being the “soft” one.
>>587039883You people killed my favorite character and replaced him with Izuku Midoriya
>>587039960 Why not just put Charmy or Tails in a more prominent role if you need a cute boy character?
Never went one day without mentioning krack award.
>>587039981That's what happens when you make a pathetic loser in need of protection like Silver. Maybe replay 06 again and you will realize we are the true fans
>>587034160Anon: "The disrespect doesn't exist", Meanwhile, SEGA: >>587039627
Sonic Adventure 3 starring Shadow Sonic and Charmy lets fucking go
>>587037723Ditto. We will draw soon enough. But for now, we are ass.
So, why haven't we gotten decomps of Sonic Adventure and Sonic Adventure 2?>But muh PC portsIt's not the same.
>>587040075Krack winned.
>>587040037Because Silver is a hedgehog.
>>587040296But he looks like a playstation controller with a leaf on the front
do you have any sonic hot takes? like a real hot take.
>>587038810Permabeg>>>/ic/LOL
>>587039648Should've spread your legs if you wanted to distract them from greed.
>>587040518The tone of Sonic Unleashed is shit. It's like a Pixar movie. I hate it.
>>587039932I like it for the gameplay. All Sonic games are linear obstacle courses.>The easiest way to beat each level is to stop in place and keep spindashing because that's faster than just running.This doesn't make sense. Also, you don't actually need to come to a full stop to Spin Dash, though I understand why you would think that.>The level variety is literally worse than Forces.I think the level variety was much better in SA1 compared to SA2. That saidSA2 has city (day and night), canyon, harbor, forest, military base, mountain range, desert/pyramid, space, space station, and Green Hill.Forces has Green Hill ( + desert/pyramid), Chemical Plant (+ Eggman base), forest (+ casino), space, space station, destroyed city, futuristic city, and two Eggman bases (one inside the pyramid, though none of it says pyramid once you're inside). I think the two games are about the same in this aspect, in fact I think Forces is based off of SA2's stages and story structure to begin with. SA2 feels more unique due to not relying on recycled zones though, and letting each theme stand on its own instead of combining most of them.
>>587040602I don't like Unleashed either. Everything about it feels like an apology.
>>587040518People who complain about "insert character here" being out of character tend to be retards.
>>587039792>aren't you the one being greedy here?No. Because I actually don't mind which direction SEGA goes in, even if it's an entirely new one.
>>587040602
>>587038472>>587038538Read this
>>587040271The other day I saw someone made a decomp PC port of the GC version of SA2 plus added online multiplayer but it's made with the help of AI and those things are apparently so easy to make at this point that no one even talks about it anymore. https://github.com/sonsegajp/Sonic-Adventure-2-Battle-Recompiled
>>587040672You are the bravest man on earth
>>587040672Now this is a hot take
>>587039932>Am I the only one here who thinks SA2 is worse than the boost games?
>>587040684>I actually don't mind which direction SEGA goes inClearly you do given what you just said about them abandoning a certain style you don't like>even if it's an entirely new oneI enjoyed Unleashed and Frontiers too. I don't see why this should mean I shouldn't want a new game similar to another game I like
>>587040672Fuck you and all other Evan defenders Lettuce
I dont think Lettuce even comes here anymore Silverrapefag
>>587040736>BattleNaw son. I'm looking for that real Dreamcast shit.
>>587040875No one else would keep defending idwshit
So, why hasn't any of the ai sloppers fixed Sonic Origins yet? Is the ai too weak?
I think IDW is alright. Not Lettuce btw.
>>587040530>back to draw old loomis heads from the 50s
>>587040110NTA but moving on isn't disrespect. Or rather, NTA is inaccurate. I'm the one you're calling SEGA.>>587040610NTA (I'm the one he was responding to) but...>All Sonic games are linear obstacle courses.This is not true.>This doesn't make sense. Also, you don't actually need to come to a full stop to Spin Dash, though I understand why you would think that.Not sure what you mean by it doesn't make sense but in fact you DO have to come to a full stop in order to spindash, because if you don't you will perform the somersault instead. While it's true that it doesn't work like the classic games where you have to stop to perform it, performing it itself is an act of stopping.>Stage varietyIt's a shiniest of two turds comparison.
>>587040083fujo...
>>587039932SA2 was worse than 06. The major thing holding 06 back was bugs and the lack of polish, everything else was decent to great. SA2 doesn't have that excuse and only the sonic and shadow stages are even worth playing. 06 also had a much better art direction and greater level diversity, most of SA2 was some variant of militaryshit with the exception of the desert
if i agreed with krack do you think she'd let me sniff her feet?
>>587040661>Everything about it feels like an apologyA fucking mighty needed one.Anyway the anon you're responding too is correct regardless.
>>587041090this is weird stop
Archie was good and canon unlike IDW.I can read Archie over and over again forever but can't stand one single IDW story.
>>587040831Sorry I didn't consider going backwards as a direction.
>>587041137is that a no?400 pound indian btw
>>587041168IDW is better than Archie in every way
>>587041168You aren’t the target audience.
>>587041029Ignoring the fact that this is some straight contrarianism that probably also requires some serious memoryholing, this is a silly retrospective because Sonic 06 came out 5 years after SA2. Games are supposed to get better over time. This is really just a weird comparison that seems to come from a place of bitterness over the prevailing reputations and thereby rhetoric of the respective games.
>>587041014
>>587041270Who is?
>>587041374IDW is for fans of the Sonic games. Archie was for people who want a teen action drama with shipping.
I just lost nnn to a furry porn comicat the same time my mind has never been clearer
>>587041403>IDW is for fans of the Sonic games.LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL good one.Fans of the games hate IDW.
>>587041180You did.
>>587039208Its about voice acting. They dont rerelease pre roger games.
>>587041414share the link
>>587041440Twitter SWLU people are a minority. IDW is overseen by Sega themselves. It's pretty good if you actually give it a try.
>>587041494They got Tails' old 2010 VA back to record new lines for Colors Ultimate.
>>587041460Sorry, sticking to what works isn't going backwards, trying to force what doesn't is.
Blackwood-chan is ready to serve Ma'am
>>587041284>I don't have any actual rebuttals to your argument so I'm just going to call you a contrarianNice one asshole, glad to know we're only allowed to prefer the popular thing
>>587041565Allowing a style to exist alongside other styles doesn't force anything. No one argued that boost games shouldn't exist. You're free to enjoy those.
>>587041507NTA but I gave it a try multiple times and it gave me middle finger each time. Almost quit when I couldn't take Belle anymore but I think Surge probably was the last straw for me.
>>587039960If we're going by appeal we may as well ditch the games for the movies
>>587041626I'm not sure you understood me. If it doesn't work it doesn't work, SEGA abandoned the model because it's ass. The only reason to keep going with something is if it works. Therefore, bringing it back would be "forcing it"....ASSUMING they try to make the games good and not just dish out a dumpster fire because the fans want that.
>>587041029SA2 isn't fun to play. The most popular level in the game is the first one. The score system is broken and inexcusable. The level design does every dogshit thing Forces does but it gets away with it for no reason. The somersault is one of the most retarded choices Sega ever made.
>>587041090It hasnt worked for me brother
More of this, please.
>>587041506Its offtopic but its called Homeless Dog by Ponporio
>>587041494How do we replace roger
>>587041018>moving on isn't disrespectNot by itself. It becomes disrespectful when it's a double standard. They said they don't want to make new games in an old style because the series evolved past it and said that they don't want to give fans what they want, but they keep making games in an even older style exactly because fans of those games asked for more. The different treatment is indicative of the disrespect.
>>587041761NEET Blackwood
>>587041612>gets made about being called a contrarian>immediately says the most stereotypical contrarian thing possiblelike pottery.
>>587041540Because she voices Wave. She didnt go anywhere. It wasnt inconvenient to use her for that. Pre Roger era still wont happen
>>587041806it's really just 2d v 3d. those are the 2 styles more or less, and they already have an approach to 3d. no need to conflate the 2.
>>587041724They made multiple successful and popular games in that style at the time so clearly it did work. No one is asking for them to be buggy like the later releases.
Let me see something:Do you believe Shadow moved on from Maria at the end of Shadow the Hedgehog?Do you consider Shadow Generations as a character regression?Do you believe that Shadow not working for GUN is a 2010s retcon?Do you believe Shadow, Rouge, and Omega not being friends is a retcon?
>>587041919Modern Sonic in Generations plays nothing like Adventure. It's also full of 2D.
>>587041924I like how you guys talk about games being buggy as if buggy games were deliberately released with bugs.>>587041925>Do you believe Shadow moved on from Maria at the end of Shadow the Hedgehog?Yes.>Do you consider Shadow Generations as a character regression?Yes.>Do you believe that Shadow not working for GUN is a 2010s retcon?Yes.>Do you believe Shadow, Rouge, and Omega not being friends is a retcon?Yes.
>>587042004SA2 is more of a hallway simulator than Generations
>>587042004>Modern Sonic in Generations plays nothing like AdventureHence no need to conflate the 2. They have their approach to 3D, and it's this, not Adventure style.Also there is unironically nothing wrong with having 2D sections in a 3D game. No other fanbase is as autistic about this but arguably have it more.
>>587041818Of course I'm mad about being called a contrarian, you tried discounting what I see are legitimate pitfalls of SA2 when compared to 06 by calling me bitter about the critical reception of 06, as if to say I'm only interested in tearing down SA2 because I want 06 to look better
>>587042023I didn't talk like that at all. I made that note because you said something about "fans wanting dumpster fires" or some other nonsense.
>>587041925I don’t think he’s sad about it anymoreDidn’t play but I find the game existing at all wholly unnecessary and a shallow attempt to wring more out of Shadow’s already worn out tale, and the alien power shit is dumbno, I don’t think he should ever be working for anyone and 06 kills itself anywayno I just consider them allies, I don’t think they’d be getting boba together but in comedic or fan scenarios it’s fine
SA2 is what happens when you think the key to recreating Sonic's success in the Genesis era boils down to just turning the camera in the Genesis games sideways until it's 3D.
>>587041925•Yes•Kinda but it itself isn't the problem, following medias are•Shadow only confirm worked for GUN in one game being 06. It isn't part of his character kit the way being the President's agent is for Rouge, so it's not a retcon when they say "he doesn't do that all the time"•No, but people conflate their definition of "nakama" with what Team Dark is supposed to be. Shadow's only "friend" was Maria, he (as of yet) has never become that close with anyone else ever again. However, it is supposed to be significant when Shadow calls Rouge "ally", that's the closest thing you can get to his way of saying friend even though it doesn't mean he's gonna go on picnics with her. If people want picnics they don't understand the character
>>587041925>Do you believe Shadow moved on from Maria at the end of Shadow the Hedgehog?Yes. That's why ShadowGend is ooc and shows Iizuka has no idea what to do with Shadow >Do you consider Shadow Generations as a character regression?Yes>Do you believe that Shadow not working for GUN is a 2010s retcon?Yes. Removing agent Shadow was a bad decision, and this one stands out between all the many different bad decisions they have made. >Do you believe Shadow, Rouge, and Omega not being friends is a retcon?They always got along but they were never truly friends. They need more screen time for me to form an opinion
>>587042081I see, I misunderstood what you were saying. I don't see why they can't have multiple approaches to 3D though. Or multiple approaches to 2D, for that matter.>Also there is unironically nothing wrong with having 2D sections in a 3D game.I agree. There is also nothing wrong with making full 3D games.
>>587042143No, when that happens you get forces
Is there some kind of psychosis? Shadow Generations remake is a retcon. They only made that game to shill the movies. If you actually think it's a natural arc for Shadow you're retarded.
>>587042143But it is the key. If everyone likes it who are we to say it isnt successful?
>>587042115That was a very slimy misquote.
Archie Shadow is better than Game Shadow.
>>587042210Literally not one answer has defended Shadow Gens yet. Why are you being shitpost-baity about this>>587042130>the alien power shit is dumbNo actually its cool
>>587042105Because that's exactly what it looks like you're doing.
>>587042267Shit like this is actual thread derailment. Samefag astroturfing is soon to follow all to paint some agendas
>>587042250I made that note because you said something about SEGA "dish[ing*] out a dumpster fire because the fans want that"* grammar adjustmentThe exact quote word for word. It doesn't alter my post.
>>587041925>Do you believe Shadow moved on from Maria at the end of Shadow the Hedgehog?He let the past behind as he won't be irrational about it anymore. like he won't try to shoot earth with a space laser cannon again>Do you consider Shadow Generations as a character regression?Not really. trauma never heals. it gets patched up but the scars remain. Shadow's campaign was about trying to find a way to prevent a fateful ending.>Do you believe that Shadow not working for GUN is a 2010s retcon?He never passed to me as an official full time employee. He will cooperate with them to achieve a common goal.>Do you believe Shadow, Rouge, and Omega not being friends is a retcon?Depends on which character pov. from Rouge's view they are somewhat friendly. from Shadow's view not really. Omega doesn't know what friendship is.
>>587042202The more you divide your attention, the lower the quality of your output witll be.The fewer styles you focus on the better.
>>587041018>This is not true.It is, Sonic's traditional stages have never been open sandboxes, they are linear obstacle courses.>you DO have to come to a full stop in order to spindashAgain, I know why you think this, I used to think so myself before I played the game more seriously, but it's not actually true. You can Spin Dash without coming to a full stop when in a running state, the animation is just delayed
>>587042242idk gng im tired asab
>>587042448That's a sensible argument, I'm not sure I see it reflected in their output though.
>Not a single person defending Shadow generations tonightColor me surprised
>>587042453>Sonic's traditional stages have never been open sandboxesDon't forget that you said that ALL Sonic games are linear obstacle courses. Are you sure you don't want to add an asterisk there?>the animation is just delayedDelayed as in? Takes a moment to activate? Long enough for you to be completely or borderline completely stopped?
>>587042604Because it hasnt turned to a Maria (and thus shipfag) argument yet
>>587042292Glad you think it’s cool, I don’t>>587042604>no one defends the soulless cash grab/sthg/ is healing
>>587042590Well, it's not like their output is perfect nowadays. But I still think it's miles better than it was when they weren't dedicated to refining one style and were instead in this weird experimental stage like Sonic turned 20 and tried every drug you can imagine.
>>587042719Why dont you like them
>>587041925Nuanced, he left his sa2 self behind as in he isn't just blindly adopting others thought, but he still has maria's wish in his heart, with his own will.not really, it looks like that but is not like that if you view the narrative as a whole.nohe cares about them but its not a retcon.
>>587042660>Don't forget that you said that ALL Sonic games are linear obstacle courses. Are you sure you don't want to add an asterisk there?Yes, I'm sorry, Frontiers exists, and some games have hub worlds.>Delayed as in? Takes a moment to activate?Yes.>Long enough for you to be completely or borderline completely stopped?No, you can actually do it while running.
>>587042381>He let the past behind as he won't be irrational about it anymore. like he won't try to shoot earth with a space laser cannon againhe already gets over this at the end of his very first game though.
>>587042604It's past the shitdowfag's bed time
>>587042332>no argumentGlad you agree Archie Shadow is superior.
>>587042749Were they? Sonic's gameplay in the games from 1998 to 2006 was about as consistent as the boost games have been. The experimentation has more to do with the side content, and that never really went away (see: Werehog, Wisps, the entirety of Lost World, Forces Avatar, Open Zone)
>>587041925>Do you believe Shadow moved on from Maria at the end of Shadow the Hedgehog?Used to, not anymore. I considered it to be a good change when I did.>Do you consider Shadow Generations as a character regression?No.>Do you believe that Shadow not working for GUN is a 2010s retcon?Yes. You can see him work for, or "with", GUN in one of the prior games. Maybe Sonic Team never fully established it internally though, and only considered it a collaboration rather than him literally being employed by GUN. That's possible.>Do you believe Shadow, Rouge, and Omega not being friends is a retcon?Depends on how you define friends.
>>587042796>No, you can actually do it while running.I'm unironically interested in this now lol that makes it sound like it works like SA1's spindash which I didn't know.Aside from that SA1 and Sonic 06 among some others have instance of wide open level design ENOUGH to say that the stages aren't exactly linear obstacle courses. Shadow the Hedgehog is also an example of this. This contrasts with games like SA2, literally every single one of the Boost games outside of Frontiers, the Storybook Games, and more. Even Heroes doesn't completely fall under that classification.
>>587041925nonoyesyes
Niggas need to get over Shadow working for GUN. The only reason any of you care is because Archie pushed it and now you feel "betrayed" by Sonic Team for not committing to something they never planned to commit to.
>that one time Shadow bred Maria and Rouge>deals the "finishing blow" by catching Lanolin and dumping all his essence into her>and then Shadow goes back to being part of the SoJ-approved love triangle with Sonic and Amyfuuuuaaaarkkkk
>>587043179me and my wives
>>587043139It's still different from the SA1 Spin Dash because of the delay and the fact you can't do it if Sonic is already rolling and need to cancel it first. If you do it while going downhill like in City Escape you can actually still see Sonic move downwards while the Spin Dash is charging, so you don't actually come at a full stop.>SA1 and Sonic 06 among some others have instance of wide open level design ENOUGH to say that the stages aren't exactly linear obstacle courses.They're open environments, but aren't you just going through a certain path towards a goal anyway? It's not like Frontiers Open Zone where the goal is to collect tokens and keys in a variety of ways anywhere in the maps, and then check various markers in whatever order you want, you're still going from A to B
>>587042926I was more thinking of the dark age. Not so much the 90s but maybe Heroes to Black Knight. The actual design philosophies weren't consistent. Heroes had the team gimmick and Shadow combined vehicles and guns. I know the controls were similar, but the design philosophy behind the games were still very different. 06 was kind of a combination of a lot of the things they have been adding to the series up until then so not so inconsistent in that sense, but then Secret Rings is like a new series altogether in its approach. Then Unleash is wildly different from even THAT, follow by black Knight which is a sequel to Secret Rings but even that game doesn't have too much in common with Secret Rings. In contrast, Colors focused on refining the daytime stages from Unleashed while adding powerups and finding ways to extend the runtime of the game, the solution being adding 2D sections. Generations again refines the Daytime gameplay from Unleashed, with its own additions and approaches to how to extend the game's runtime. Boom was another company entirely, but the next time Sonic Team has a big game is Forces, then after that Frontiers. It's clear they've decided on what a Sonic game really is and what they want to focus on in this era.
>>587043319Fuark is corny
>>587043247>muh archie boogeyman
>>587042783They don’t add anything meaningful, we didn’t need Doom powers to hammer home that Shadow’s an alien, Shad05 was enoughI also think they don’t compliment him aesthetically
>>587043408I mean in those 2 specifically yes there is only 1 goal. But I don't know if would say that makes a game a "linear obstacle course".
>>587043560Archie is where retards got the idea that Shadow is a secret softie who works for gun and friends with Rouge. Archie fans hate Shadow.
>>587043560It's literally true. People only care about it because of Archie.
>>587043682>Shadow is a secret softie who works for gun and friends with Rouge.All canon.
>>587043682Gundow is not Archie faggot fake fan.
>>587043682This is cute.
>>587043319There is no "SOJ approved love triangle". Sonic and Amy, Shadow and Rouge, Silver and Blaze are the approved ships. Everything beyond that is just marketing an fan hysteria.
>>587043743... in the Archie comics, not the games.
They should fuck and forget about Blaze!
>>587043809Canon in both.Keep seething IDWtard.
>>587043823Silver is for Blackwood.
>>587043846I don't even like IDW. The GUN crap is not canon to the games.
>>587043636>They don’t add anything meaningful>we didn’t need Doom powers to hammer home that Shadow’s an alien, Shad05 was enoughI disagree. In Shad05 Doom either wants Shadow on his side or will mind control him. The Doom powers are different because they'd prepare Shadow's body for Doom to be reborn through him. They showcase the alien side way more than his regular hedgehog design. They show you him really being a Black Arms>I also think they don’t compliment him aestheticallyDoom Wing blew up for a reason, they knew they had a winner with that one. That one and Doom Morph stand out above the others
Interesting answers. Thank you all.If you don't mind, tell me what comes to mind when you think of Shadow and Maria. Siblings? Couple? Tired of them? Want more?
>>587041925>Do you believe Shadow moved on from Maria at the end of Shadow the Hedgehog?No, she is his compass. Guiding light. It gives him direction and he is living for himself by choosing that direction. >Do you consider Shadow Generations as a character regression?No. Nothing indicates that.>Do you believe that Shadow not working for GUN is a 2010s retcon?No. I think it was always a temporary mercenary-like thing when their goals align. GUN gets his power and Shadow gets intel. If GUN tried to make Shadow do something that conflicted with his goals he'd make them fuck off.>Do you believe Shadow, Rouge, and Omega not being friends is a retcon?No. They have never been friends. It is fanfiction.
>>587043901It literally is.I won this argument.
>>587043682What about 06 which invented Shadow working for GUN and Rouge professing her dedication to him
>>587043823unironically being gay is better than being associated with evan's ocs.
Remember when fuckers said Shadow's game featured G.U.N. training for Shadow even though that didn't exist?
Do you really believe the moon's bad half is not there when you're not looking at it?
>>587043997That's the Expert mode which is canon to the story and literally sets up Shadow working for GUN by '06.
>>587042023>>587042190>>587043179Archiefag.
>>587043935What's the latest game where Shadow worked for GUN?
>>587043997It was training but it wasn't explicitly known for GUN. People thought that because Commander Tower supported him. What else would he be training for? Shadow doesn't train on his offtime as some hobby, he doesn't believe "he needs to keep sharp or something", so it felt obvious to people that it could connect to him now working for GUN in the next game
>>587043931>It gives him direction and he is living for himself by choosing that directionNo he is not.
>>587044054>>587043560
>>587044039It wasn't GUN training. >>587044069The Commander just apologized to Shadow in it. I have no clue where the GUN training thing came from.
>>587044079Yes, he is. Writer of the game agrees with me. Maekawa's post-'06 plans tell you he continues to grant Maria's wish. I'm sorry you dislike Shadow, but it's not my problem. There's an X episode named "Maria's Request, Everyone's Request" for a reason. Maria's wish for a better future is humanity's wish.
>>587044149>I have no clue where the GUN training thing came from.maybe him fucking working for GUN in the next game
>>587043925Both. Maria was Shadow's everything. That can mean mom, sister, and whatever blossoms of romance are within that nuance. There is no simple label for what Maria was to Shadow.That said, I think SonicPict should be a little careful with how much time they want to imply they spent together, because part of the tragedy should be that it was short.I also don't want Shadow regressed back to living for her wish but that is an argument that will keep going back and forth here
>>587043456So you were primarily thinking of Secret Rings, Unleashed, and Black Knight? I didn't consider the storybook games at all, since I see them as spinoffs. I think Adventure's switch to 3D, Unleashed adapting Rush's boost gameplay to 3D, Lost World, and Frontiers Open Zone are the major shifts.>In contrast, Colors focused on refining the daytime stagesI disagree, Colors has a moveset inspired by Unleashed, but it plays more like a 2D Mario game. And then Lost World went full Mario.>Generations again refines the Daytime gameplay from UnleashedMore like fully removes anything interesting from the daytime gameplay from Unleashed.>then after that Frontiers. It's clear they've decided on what a Sonic game really is and what they want to focus on in this era.Actually, Sonic Team considers Forces and Frontiers to be two different styles, and they're handling a total of 4 styles for Sonic games right now (2D, 3D, Open Zone, Racing) based on their own interviews. So the idea that they don't want to handle more than two styles isn't true either.
>>587044232*helping GUN
>>587044198No one here likes you Krack.
>>587044149Again, even if it wasnt for GUN, it was training, multiple people called it that, at least both Commander and Vector off the top of my head. We don't know what it was for. Saying it was for GUN is a super logical headcanon based on 06 following up
I'm glad Iizuka cares about Shadow enough to protect him from people in the West.
>>587044198>Writer of the game agrees with meHe does not. He never said Shadow is living for himself by choosing that direction. I don't care if you like fanfictions but I choose the game. This isn't the Notebook or Twilight or whatever foid shit you want to schlick to.>There's an X episo-Shut the fuck up.
Some of you need to get over this obsession with Shadow getting over Maria. Why does this matter? Is something supposed to change once he gets over her?
>>587043925>Siblings? Couple?Deep bond. Good basis for a romantic relationship, although it didn't necessarily have the time to evolve into that.>Tired of them? Want more?I'm tired of the series constantly relying on nostalgia and rehashes, I'd prefer they do something new. I also feel like there's only so much you can have Maria do anyway. I like Maria though.
>>587044198>writer of the gameThis is so disingenous because it's not like he said the things you bring up in 2005. He said them the last couple of years which literally coincide with Movie 3, why do you always fail to acknowledge this in your npc dialogue prompts?
>>587044339It means i dont wanna see her brought up in a race against charmy or fucking fortnite and dc
>>587044236not a regression. he's always had her as a compass, that is him living for himself. idk why sthg is so media illiterate. he says in shth he's found the truth, that he is supposed to be a light of hope. that's what he was born for.unless you believe maria's last words as she died were wrong. unless you think maria never knew shadow and was just some dumb dying bitch who didn't understand him.
>>587044274>I'm not working for Pizza Hut, I'm just helping them make Pizzas
>>587044339It's just seething shipfags mad it prevents them from self-inserting. No different from trannies who want Sonic to be crying and vulnerable.
>>587044294No it isn't "logical". All the fucking characters commented on Shadow in it. There is literally no reason to relate it to GUN. The Commander didn't even hint to anything like that. He just told Shadow he was sorry for his behavior. That's not even a headcanon, it's just made up.
Was Sonic Mania ever available in DRM-free format?
>>587044409Why do you have to jump to all these bad faith points? Its always the same arguments with you>look, look what he said BEFORE the Doom fight concludes! What happens after? Oh ignore that!!>you just hate Maria!!!Meanwhile I'm literally acknowledging her importance to him in my post
>>587044362why do you refuse to acknowledge sonic channel bringing up maria all the time in 2006, 2007, 2008.
>>587044487Uhh how about any console
You can tell she's here because the conversation went to shit
>>587044502Because the staff shipping them when they get cute fanart submitted is not the same as what the actual written game stories were doing. Now how about an answer to MY question instead of deflecting this time?
>>587044494If you acknowledge her importance to him, what are you even arguing? Why is it bad that Shadow voluntarily chooses his own path, which is following the light he was shown by Maria's care for him? what does it prevent?
>>587044459A little heavy handed tonight eh knuxougefag?
>>587044252>Colors is 2D memeI really don't want to have this conversation.>Shitting on GenerationsThis really wasn't a question of how much you like these styles in the first place.>Right nowThe "era" I'm referring to is the Boost Sonic era, not literally right now.>the idea that that don't want to handle more than two styles isn't true either.It's also not something I ever said.
>>587043917>They show you him really being a Black ArmsThat was never in question, Shad05 said that he was so we didn’t need to double downThe powers exist because they needed to create a plot around the game to further shill the Year of Shadow, not because it was necessary to further expand upon Shadow’s relationship with the Black Arms, they can be removed and nothing is lost>Doom Wing blew up for a reasonSo did the stupid looking squid, I still do not care for the powers
>>587044483The logic is that he worked for GUN in the next game. A game which confirmed Shadow did need to pass tests to become an agent. It's not a leap, but it is unconfirmed
>>587044539I don't like Archie Shadow. I will never like Archie Shadow. I reject your headcanons. I accept Maekawa, Iizuka, and Sonic Team's view of Shadow. You will never convince me otherwise.
>>587044306It's a cartoon you lunatic.
>>587044649It IS a leap. No, it's fabrication. There was no implication, no insinuation, nothing subtle that said Expert Mode related anything to GUN and to what 06 was saying. This is made up.
>>587044652no one cares what you hate or like nigga
>>587044780I'm glad that the character I love will never be damaged by your misconceptions, no matter how hard you try to erase it.
>>587044530Dang it. Oh well, thanks anyway.
>>587044628>Shad05 said that he was so we didn’t need to double downNeedneedneed. No one ever "needs" to do anything. They did it and it was interesting. I don't see it as unnecessary fluff, I see it as a meaningful addition to what it means for Shadow to be Black Arms.>they can be removed and nothing is lostIf they remove them, then literally nothing new is added when you bring the Black Arms back, and you also drastically change the gameplay and its gameplay loop. A lot is lost. The entire game, which you simply seem to not value at all, is lost.>So did the stupid looking squid, I still do not care for the powersThe point was you said they don't compliment him aesthetically. It is pretty obvious that the Wings do. Do you wanna try arguing they don't in earnest or are you just gonna cross your arms and stick your tongue out?
How can you say you like Sonic when you don't agree with the games or the people who made them?
>>587044339How do you ask people whether they think Shadow got over Maria and then claim they're obsessed with Shadow getting over Maria when they say yes? WTF you asked a question people just answered it, if anything you're obsessed with everyone agreeing with you.
>>587044306I am sad Iizuka rolled over as he continues to do, it just so happens this time he rolled over it benefits you personally so its great!!1!1!
>>587044821I am not sure if he is safe, judging by the recent sonic channel wave and clear western fanbase motivated moves in recent years.
>>587044807They prove how much they care every day.
>>587044784The headcanon exists to answer the question of what Shadow was training for. What do (You) think he was training for? And don't say he was just casually training as a hobby to keep sharp, because as we established that would be OoC
>>587044821You seem very convinced considering you keep having to say it over and over again for some reason.
>>587044879What's supposed to change after he gets over her? You guys are acting like it's something Shadow needs to do.
>>587044869Iizuka approves of Movie Sonic and has continued to not request he skew closer to the game version. Am I supposed to believe every character decision they make is infallible?
>>587044621Colors is factually a 2D game. 90% of the game is 2D. Sonic Colors is literally, objectively, a 2D sidescrolling platformer. Its level design also isn't like Unleashed, in that it relies more on object (why people call it "blocky") and power ups. I don't think any of this means Colors is bad, I don't use "2D" or "power ups" to dismiss it. I like Colors and I like those aspects of Colors as well. I don't see why I should pretend Colors is something it isn't>This really wasn't a question of how much you like these styles in the first place.Sorry, I couldn't resist, I just find Generations' Modern stages so unengaging. I don't like when people say they're "like daytime Unleashed", they control similarly but the experience is seriously different.>The "era" I'm referring to is the Boost Sonic era, not literally right now.>It's also not something I ever said.I was referring to >>587042448 maybe it wasn't you. I was suggesting having 3 styles instead of 2, but SEGA's own perspective is that they have 4...
>>587044879I should clarify that I'm the person who asked. I didn't participate in the ensuing debate. I was curious about the different takes on those subjects. The person you're replying to is not me.
>>587044974Clearly you're the one who is obsessed. I haven't thought that far ahead, I really don't care. All I personally did was answer the question, yeah he was supposed to get over her after Shth.
>>587044928samefagging is not "they"
>>587044940It's a shitty "headcanon" since it's based on literal fabrication and should be rightfully dismissed.
>>587045047So do you wanna answer my question or what
>>587045029>I haven't thought that far aheadYet you want him to move on? Pretty retarded of you to want something you never even thought through on.
>>587045046you can also ignore that shadougefag.
>>587044621Missed this part.>The "era" I'm referring to is the Boost Sonic era, not literally right now.Alright, but even if we pretend Colors is a 3D game that plays like Unleashed's day stages we still have Sonic Team's Lost World in the middle of that era lol they were definitely experimenting in the 2010s and they still are now
>>587044974No, it is something he DID do and then they went back on it and 'people' are trying to dishonestly frame that it never happened at all and that it makes sense for it to have never happened. This is literally a matter of fighting for the truth of history
>>587045098What question? It's fabricated nonsense. You're no better than Ian. Go by what's actually in the content, not what you assume or make up.
>>587045127Do you want people to just pitch you character arc ideas so you can shoot them down or something
>>587045219>no better than IanCalm your tits>what questionMy question is what the fuck do you think he was training for? What do you actually think?
Reminder this came out in 2016.Everyone who says Shadow was supposed to stop using Maria as a guiding light is simply wrong.
>>587045258You're literally arguing over something you yourself don't even know. Do you not see how fucking stupid that is?
>>587044839>They did it and it was interestingIt was not>you also drastically change the gameplay and its gameplay loopThere’s still base Generations, the real game that add-on was bolted onto, I’ve already said I don’t think there’s value in ShadGens as a whole existing>Do you wanna try arguing they don't in earnestI told you my subjective opinion and you’re trying to change my mind as if I can’t comprehend that other people can like it or that the professional character designers deemed them perfectly fittingI still do not like the look of them
>>587045006>Colors is factually a 2D game.I do not care, I already explained WHY the 2D sections existed in the first place.I also really don't want to argue about whether Colors or Generations are really supposed to be based on Unleashed daytime stages because I think it's really obvious that they are.>maybe it wasn't youIt was me. I was giving my two cents on where their focus aught to be, not necessarily where it is.
>>587045309>going so far as to retrofit the 2016 comic into the agenda and twist it as being "maria was the light!" all along
>>587024510How about you go fuck off and die instead
>>587045309>a shadow shows the way to the lightI think Maria was retarded.
>>587045308Motherfucker, it was a mode for the stages for you to play. Why do you think there is this huge lore behind it? Literally no better than Ian.
>>587045025bro lit a match and left>>587045127genuinely why are you so obsessed with getting people to change their answer to yours lol
>>587045370You will never be Shadow.
>>587045330I'm not the first guy telling you he didnt think it through. I am separately asking you what the fuck you want people to say when they answer "what should he do when he moves on"It sounds like a dangerous line of questioning that is only being asked so you can shut them down, shit on them, and prop up their words as poster examples of "not getting Shadow" or something>>587045415No, shadows show you where light is if you follow what direction the shadow is pointing away from.
>>587045471>shadows show you where light is if you follow what direction the shadow is pointing away from."always do the opposite of what shadows tell you"
>>587045420You're obsessed with Shadow getting over Maria and don't even know what would happen if he did. You're fighting for nothing. You're just arguing simply because. Get a grip.
>>587045420Why are you thinking there's only one person who believes you're retarded here? Move on to what? Answer his question. Another person? How would that be living for himself?
>>587045416>Motherfucker, it was a mode for the stages for you to play. Why do you think there is this huge lore behind it? Literally no better than Ian.Yo retard, they included the fucking dialogue in the game. Multiple characters confirm he is training. Its not a matter of "huge lore", thats something they fucking made. They didnt have to give it new dialogue, they didnt do that for Sonic Heroes, but they did, so people are gonna ask fucking questions. So again, are you gonna keep fencesitting or answer what you think the intent of the dialogue THEY WROTE IN was?
>>587045420For Shadowfags, you are the equivalent of the Lore Team getting rid of Amy's love for Sonic so she can be a girlboss. Anyone who cares about Shadow would rightfully hate someone who claims to love Shadow, but discards what he chooses to think and do.
>>587045524>another personAnd the mask slips. You're desperately dying to make this a shipfag argument
>>587045471>what the fuck you want people to say when they answer "what should he do when he moves on"... am I reading this right? You're debating a subject you don't even know the outcome of?
>>587045139>Lost WorldI have to admit, I forgot this game even existed lol. But it's still just one game, and they go right back to the Boost gameplay once it's over. Their attention was divided by that game once, but that's fewer divisions than the dark era. Still a blip but the idea is the LESS your attention is divided the more focus you can put on one idea.
>>587045601Did Amy get a spinoff game where she concluded that she'll move on from Sonic?
>>587045415
>>587045609You're the only one bringing up shipping. Maria is Shadow's guiding light. They were close. However you interpret that closeness, whatever, but stop trying to erase it.
>>587045561It's just fucking training. You're the absolute retard trying to say it's GUN training when it literally isn't. Just take the L, man. Your headcanon is literal fanfic bullshit.
>>587045620It's not about outcome because this isn't fanfic writing school. Nobody is here to pitch what they think Shadow should do. The argument is about the facts of what have already happened, i.e. what his game did vs the regression we have now. Nobody needs to pitch you fanfic ideas for Shadow as a buy-in to the claim that they believe Shadow moved on in 05
>>587045471The reality is, she already made up her mind that Shadow shouldn't move on. She's now running a 4chan campaign to stop anyone from disagreeing with her.
>>587045713>another personIs shipshit. Nobody is here arguing that Shadow should move on to another person, yet that strawman is brought up to twist the argument into shipfagging
>>587045740Again... why are you debating something you don't even know the outcome of?
>>587045648Where did Shadow say he'll move on from Maria? Maria's words gave him to power to overcome Black Doom's mind control. He says her name when he dies against devil doom. She is mentioned as the trauma guiding him forward in the '06 bio. You imagined something that was not there, got emotionally attached to that interpretation during the period where Shadow and humans were shelved, and now you're assblasted that Sonic Team is no longer afraid of reviewers making fun of Modern Sonic lore.
>>587045715Retard are you shitposting? I started the reply chain already telling you I know its not confirmed GUN training. Why are you being difficult?>its just fucking trainingFor WHAT? Shadow does not fucking train as a downtime hobby
>>587045780Then why do you care? What does Shadow never bringing up Maria again do for you? Why do you give so much of a shit about Shadow caring for her? Does it stop him from going on new adventures, encountering new villains, or being his badass self?
You guys really need to stop engaging with certain opinions in a “change my mind” mindset. Don’t like it? Call them a retard and move on.
>>587045523? I just told you I don't really care anon. Calm your nerves.>>587045524Why am I answering this ship faggotry question when there's no answer? Shadow could move on and do Shadow stuff.>inb4 like whatAm I really supposed to write a fanfic here because you won't be able to sleep until I agree with you lol
>>587045340>I do not care, I already explained WHY the 2D sections existedColors doesn't have 2D sections. It has 3D sections>whether Colors or Generations are really supposed to be based on Unleashed daytime stages because I think it's really obvious that they are.To some extent, yes. The moveset is obviously the same, and Generations recycles all of its physics code with some minor changes. I don't want to downplay this, they're definitely built with Unleashed as a basis. But Colors especially ends up playing so differently that I don't think this foundation matters outside of the occasional quickstep section>I was giving my two cents on where their focus aught to be, not necessarily where it is.I see
The "Shadow should move on" and the "Shadow should work for GUN" crowd flat out don't even know what they're arguing about. I'm gobsmacked.
>>587045760not everyone who disagrees with you is your shipping boogeyman bulmafag
>>587045906Who are you referring to?
>>587045830>Maria's words gave him to power to overcome Black Doom's mind control. He says her name when he dies against devil doom.Yes keep reciting your npc dialogue and then ignoring what happens immediately after winning that fight. Ignore the cutscene that follows and the lyrics of the song that play.>She is mentioned as the trauma guiding him forward in the '06 bioThe beta internal one? No she isn't. She's namedropped for trauma yes. Nothing is said about it "guiding him forward" in that bio>you must have this schizo agenda!!!And then when I call you a self inserting shipfag now what? We just stop having real discussion and namecall?
>>587045932No, of course they don't. They prefer the version of Shadow they see in fanart or in specific western spinoff media. They're angry they cannot relate to the character as he is so they try to convince the thread it's a retcon.
>>587045847Dumbfuck, you said to just assume it related to GUN. Why are you dodging now? Just accept you were bullshitting about Expert Mode ffs.
>>587045932>Shadow should move onAlready did before that was retcon for Shadow Gens.>Shadow should work for GUNAlready does.
>>587045601Shadow doesn't stop being cool when he stops obsessing over Maria. He literally had amnesia for all of Heroes and almost all of Shth. You Shadriafags are the only ones who think he is nothing without Maria. Fuck off.
>>587046008/sthg/ (general).
>>587045907>I don't really care *continues to argue with people*Uh huh.
This came out in 2021, before Shadow Generations. Shadow is taken aback by the sight of the ARK. 2021 Sonic x Shadow cover story has him do the same thing. Shadow never ever forgot her.
>>587045932Shadow works at the 'jacking off retards' factory.
>>587046036He literally STOLE a rocket from gun in dark beginnings. He destroyed gun property. He blew them up. that's not working for them nigga
>>587045830OH my god can you shut the fuck up? Who gives a fuck?
>>587045932>if you dont pitch fanfics to me you don't know what you're fighting for???>>587045894>Then why do you care? I care about calling out retcons and not pretending "this was always this way". Its the same reason IDW sucks. Yet this same mentality is being forgiven for Shadow>What does Shadow never bringing up Maria again do for you? Be consistent to his earlier writing>Why do you give so much of a shit about Shadow caring for her?Why do you insist that something that happened didn't happen? Why do you presume that asking for them to maintain Shadow's moving on means he has to somehow "stop caring for her"? This is bad faith designed to paint anyone who disagrees with you as a Maria hater>Does it stop him from going on new adventures, encountering new villains, or being his badass self?Is this a real question? Are we actually talking about characterization when you ask something this dumb?
>>587046020I didn't say to assume. I said people who made the leap were being logical and you sperged out.
>>587046192You do. Stop trying to ruin my favorite character so you can self-insert better. Shadow loving Maria does not stop him from being cool.>>587046202>this was always this wayIt was always this way.
>>587046190Dark Beginnings isn't canon.
is this because of NNN or because of failing to do NNN
>>587046290Hahahaha the cope starts
>>587045932Literally nobody in this thread right now even thinks they're in an argument at all except for you obnoxious Shadriafags.
>>587045941Actually they are. There are two people.One of them is Krack, but just reducing her to a shipfag is a disservice and she doesn't really weaponize that argument muchThe guy who does is a known Knuxougefag. You can see it when you tries to weaponize the "another person" argument for Shadow that no one made. He's waiting for someone to bring up Rouge or Team Dark and go "aha!" and shit on Shadouge as if every Maria or move on argument has to be Rouge-ship related
>>587046348Post your Shadouge fanart bro
>>587046273Why do you weaponize cute art of Shadow's past on the ARK to mean that Shad05 didn't end the way it ended?
>>587046352Scribbles is also against you btw
I saw we kill Krack and bury her somewhere in Minnesota
I can't believe that this is some confounding incomprehensible idea that Shadow could do LITERALLY ANYTHING other than live for Maria's wish.
>>587041029I prefer SA2 because of the way Sonic moves and controls, but I see some merit in what you're saying.
>>587046435You say this like namefag approval is some currency. I'm glad that you seek comfort by allying yourself with namefags but Scribbles doesnt get into characterization arguments so i'm not really concerned or worried about what he thinks.
>>587046352>KnuxougefagTruly the worst kind of people.
>>587045941You're vociferously expressing your disdain with anyone who disagrees with you about a relationship that some other sperg ships like their life depends on it and you think it's unreasonable to think you're a shipfag? Why else won't you let this go? Just that autistic?>then immediately accuses me of being her shipping boogeymanoi vey
lol i’m not reading all this
06 was 20 years ago and erased its own events. Move on.
>>587046112I mean you won't drop it so what else can I do but tell you it's not that serious? If I ignore you you just shit up the thread insisting I give you the answer you want.
Shadria is shit
The heal gun is really really handy
>>587046750SCRIBBLES PLEASE CONTROL YOUR BITCH
>>587046190we know the new stuff is ooc, you don't have to remind us
>>587046735>clearly grumpy that he couldn't defend his position Just take the L and go to sleep, my dude.
Sega says they want sonic to become popular in japan but all we get is them listening to western fanbase complaints
>>587046273Why are you so desperately looking for a fight? You'd think you'd be more secure in your heckin soulmates one body astrology ship.
Fact:Sonic Team staff continuously mention Shadow's memories of (and feelings for) Maria from 2006 - 2020.Shadow has never forgotten Maria. It is not a character regression. 2006Bio: He grew up with a girl named Maria but his memory of her and her dying promise had traumatized him...EN: 'Shadow the Hedgehog' official site updated! - 'Characters': Maria introduction2008Staff: Maria and Shadow, drawn with a gentle touch, in a very warm piece. It's as if we can feel Shadow's feelings for Maria. 2010Staff: A charming smile from Maria! Beside her, Shadow smiles gently. Shadow usually has a strongly dark image, but when he's with Maria, and only then, bright, gentle scenes like this suit him too.2013Staff: Shadow using Chaos Control to see a scene from the past for himself. It's as if Shadow's feelings, which he can't tell anyone, quietly come through. Maria talking happily, and another Shadow with a gentle face. Staff: Shadow, who carries a sad episode with his dear Maria. Are the memories of that time still vivid in his mind even now...? You can sense how big those hidden feelings are. 2014Staff: Shadow and Maria standing amid a storm of falling cherry blossoms. What on earth is in Shadow's heart as he looks at the petals...? Staff: Shadow and Maria facing each other across the Milky Way on the night of Tanabata. Their gentle, somehow nostalgic smiles express what they feel really well.Staff: Shadow standing amid falling dead leaves. His expression as he recalls his memories of Maria is serious, yet looks somehow lonely too.2016Staff: The relationship of these two, who have opened their hearts to each other, comes through really well.2020 'That one, and that star!' On the space colony closest to the Milky Way in the world, Shadow and Maria talk about the tales the stars weave. Following the famous myth of those two stars, what wishes were the two of them making? * Today is #Tanabata. May your wishes reach the stars. [Channel staff]
>>587046394>boogeyman postingAre the mean old Shadouges keeping you up at night? Bad bat! Bad!!
>>587046048>Shadow doesn't stop being cool when he stops obsessing over Maria. He literally had amnesia for all of Heroes and almost all of ShthIizuka doesn't understand Shadow
>>587046975Japan would probably ask too deep cut questions, while the west will just say "Hurr I want Knuckles to show up more and punch things! And I want Amy to kiss Sonic durr!"
>>587046975SEGA says they're NOT a retro company *rereleases Sonic 1 and 2 three times times* and don't want to step back the Sonic series to an old gameplay style to give its fans what they want *rereleases Sonic Origins again*
>>587047143deep cut? i've seen some and what they talk about or want isn't that esoteric
>>587046634Oh ok so NOW it's a good thing to move on???
>>587047228Yeah, why not?
>>587047068Oh also they keep mentioning Tanabata during that time. The entire point of tanabata is two people separated by fate who continuously met again.
>>587046849What L nigga we are not arguing.>>587047068WTF?
>>587047226Asking for a game they would want to play would be a deep cut for Sega.
>>587047174I'd actually like getting 2d games with modern characters again.
>>587047068lol anti-mariafags blown the fuck outniggers just weren't paying attention
No one is reading all that yumefag.
>>587047404you lost
>>587047332kek
This thread is proof why krack is the worst namefag
>>587047305Do you think Void/Iumina were possibly tanabata? shadria>tailsmo>silvaze were definitely inspired
Maria Robotnik is a litmus test for whether or not you know or care about Shadow the Hedgehog as a fan.
>>587047423Maria's dead and Shadow will never love you.
>>587047487Yes, you're upset when people disrupt your incorrect claims. We're aware.
>>587047507Does it count when Void and Lumina were the same person?
>>587047569You started the whole discussion you psychopath, then got mad when people disagreed with you. Fuck's sake take up knitting or something.
>>587047563>Maria's dead Yes, this is true. She shouldn't be revived, either. Shadow's story is sad. That does not make it bad.>Shadow will never love you.Yes, this is true. He will always love Maria. I know this and defend this because I love Shadow.
>>587047569>we’reIt’s only you Krack
>>587047332Just release the 5th nu-classic game
Shadria is super cute. It's the cutest.
>>587047127>Iizuka doesn't understand ShadowThis but legitimately unironically. It took Fowler to force him to give up on Vegeta-dow and return to his proper characterization as done by Maekawa.
>>587047657I wasn't the person who asked for opinions.
>>587047674Maria's dead and Shadow will never love you.
>>587047712Based. It's that good mix of really cute and really sad.
>>587047719Vegetadow only existed in Ian's head when he was told writing Shadow like Archie Shadow was OOC.
>>587047789Yes, I know. Shadow's story is amazing.
>>587047738You are the person playing online warrior over a bestiality love story though.
Bepю я в cвoё cчacтьe и тeнь пoкидaю, Здecь мoя жизнь тeклa, мнe pyкy дaй cвoю. Пyть мoй ты ocвeти, здecь вдыхaл я Ядoвитый вoздyх мpaкa, нe тepяя cвoй дyх.Дyшит бpeмя, дaвит вcё кpyгoм. Cpeдь иллюзий вcкope я тeбя yпyщy.He бyдy дyхoм пaдaть я.Знaю ты oпopa мнe...Oпopa мнe... Oпopa мнe...Mнe пpидётcя paccтaтьcя c тoбoй
Shadow only acted like Vegeta in Boom and IDW.
>>587046601Sauce?
>>587047880Every time you jerk off to Rouge, you are jerking off to a literal bat
>>587047818That wouldn't explain other instances of it in the 2010s before Ian began to bleed into the games.
>>587047342But Iizuka said Classic is defined by being 2D and Modern is defined by being 3D
>>587047848Maria's dead and Shadow will never love you.
>>587047950Look at the JP subs.
>>587047950Shadow never acted like Vegeta in the games.
>>587047994Based!
>>587047941Yeah I don't jerk off to cartoon animals because I'm not a genetic dead end freak like you.
>>587047068>>587047534>stops replying to type up an essay>brings up the 06 bio you already got debunked on>still interpreting staff shipping comments ON FANART as being on the same level as game writingWhy do you keep interpreting "Shadow moved on from Maria" as people saying he never cared about her? Stop being so disingenuous
>>587048119Shadow still cares about Maria. Yes. So we're in agreement.
>>587048162You can care about someone while moving on and living for yourself
Making your entire personality being obsessed with a Sonic the Hedgehog bestiality lovestory is just pathetic.
>>587046601sex with that thing
>>587048227That’s dogfucker for you
The middle-aged men ITT who want to erase Shadow’s key memories of Maria to better self-insert are the exact equivalent of middle-aged millennial women like Katie erasing Amy’s love for Sonic to ship Shadamy.
" That path has been closed Sonic. The path to a world without fear. your world,and there world were meant to become one. Life and death should have merged into one. Yet none of it will come to pass. It's all because of you, Sonic. What a pity. Because of you, life and death never lost their forms. All living things will continue to fear death......for all eternity. "
>>587048227>>587048260>>587048290Can you guys stop ruining actual discussion
>>587048208But he is living for himself? He is continuing to live with the name she gave him. I don't see the issue.
>>587048321Whats this from
>>587048290Sounds like this white girl fucking a hedgehog means a lot to you wow
>>587048370Damn, I didn't think about them fucking. But I guess if that's what you want...
>>587048324This isn't really a discussion at all, just one foid obsessing over kissing hogs while foaming at anyone who says the hog should get over it.
>>587047657This post >>587041925 that was me. I am not Krack.
ShadallySonurgeShadamySilvaze
>>587048429Oh, sorry, I was under the impression you thought they loved each other romantically. My mistake.
>>587048461This is all your fault, Sparky.
>>587048337Living for Maria's wish is not living for yourself. It is living for her wish.
>>587048672trvke
(laboriously typing into computer) Maria underwear
>>587048360Don't worry about it, the point is could you see villain giving Sonic such a admonishing or Sonic being antagonistic towards someone with that mentality?
>>587048360Nta, but it's from Bleach. The main villain in the final arc says this to Ichigo when he's defeated.
>>587048672"Maria's request, everyone's request" is an official title. Maria's wish is humanity's wish. Maria is representative of the good in humanity.
>>587048762nta but who asked
>>587048734Sonic already encountered something like this with Merlina, but she wasn't bitter about it when she lost.
>>587048672no :)
Look at her beautiful smile, i wish she was with me holding hands and fallimg asleep together. I'd be the best husband i can be.Instead i have to live in this horrible, empty reality.
I'll believe Iizuka thank you very much.
>>587048631Not to alarm you but I'm not Sparky either
>>587048805You did. Shadow lives for himself. He chose this path of holding Maria in his heart and moving forward with the name that she gave him.
>>587048860Oh I get it he isn't living for someone else's wish because he is literally Maria
cnc
>>587048932is this animation supposed to tell me which namefag you are?>>587048947>You didI never ever did.>Shadow [fanfiction]He's living for Maria.
>>587048891I believe Iizuka over /sthg/. You guys complain all of the time that Iizuka cares too much about Shadow. I guess people want him to care less so they can change Shadow.
>>587048734>>587048845Yeah. I think if the person was bitter Sonic wouldn't be affected of course
>>587047918idk I got it from /co/. the anon I got from doesn’t know either.
>>587046302looking around, expecting a few supportive groups, a few jokes, etc. instead it's just tranny chasers doing the fufufufu~ thing and goading each other. ever get the feeling that something's gone badly wrong with this website?
Sonic the namefags general.
>>587049080Scribbles started the discussion. This >>587041925 is him.
>>587048762>>587048860This doesn't solve or answer anythinf but keep repeating it>>587048947>i choose to move on from my past... by attaching myself to this one specific element of my pastRight...
>>587049076>shadow as someone's reboundNo.
>>587049162I am sorry about your lack of media literacy but it isn't Sonic Team or Shadow's problem
>>587049176they deserve each other
>>587049159Can you stop obsessing over namefags and scribbles for two seconds
>>587033983i'm imagining dio brando with horns and big ol floppy ears
>>587049209Not caring about your schizo foid brain is not a lack of media literacy.
>>587049209Thanks for clearing it up. You have totally proven me wrong and definitely did not just deflect to avoid the parts of the argument you can't skirt around
>>587049080Just to clear up who I'm not since names are thrown around. I asked, but I wasn't part of the rest of the discussion. Sorry.
Why is Krack so namefag obsessed
No actually Shadow loves Maria forever and uh. His story will always be great because...love! I love love! I can't wait to latch on to the next boys's series that talks about love! And never. Ever. Let go.
>>587049293I care about the opinion of men like Maekawa and Iizuka who both disagree with you about the character they created and wrote. I do not care about your opinion since you've got an ulterior motive, which is making Shadow a blank slate for self-insert purposes. I don't respect that. I will never respect that. I respect the people who made the stories that I love.
>>587049384based and lovepilled.
>>587049423cool story
>>587049362>he says mentioning namefags
Goodbye forever...Shadow the Hedgehog.
>>587049579I always loved the delivery of that line. I still love it even though they clearly forgot to translate it to its english parallel.
speaking of line delivery, frontiers sonic feels like a 37yo unc
>>587049673If you're talking about the SA2 reference then yeah I agree. It only hits properly when you get the reference.
Shadow had his time and he ran out, I’m cuttin’ in.
>>587049579I like that it's repeating Maria's words as he finds why he was born, to be a light of hope for humanity, just like the name Maria gave him.
>>587049217In your headcanon maybe. The reality is that shipping shadow and amy doesn't respect either character.
>>587049076is CnC exclusively for ships only west cares about?
>>587043079I want to clarify something, when I said "I considered it to be a good change", I was referring to Shadow's dedication to Maria being brought back in Shadow Generations, I considered that to be good. I do and did see some positives to him "moving on" though, that is, a potential for an increased focus on new stories rather than just repeating or adding to his backstory.
>>587049754None of this happened in that scene, schizo.
>>587049769we are going to have to act ... if we want to live in a different world.
>>587049769Shadamyfag just doesn't have any original slogans and has to steal from douge
>>587049815But it did tho. He says "I now know why I am here" and that this is his truth after Gerald and Maria explain he was born as a light of hope.
ShadriaShadougeShadolinShadamyShadow franchise.
Shadow was about to try and find a way to keep Maria and Gerald from disappearing, I gotta say that's a pretty big step back from "Now and then my head starts to spin but I'll never turn back again".
>>587049757ok but it's cnc tho>>587049769cnc is for ships that are cnc
>>587049865I woulda called it Shallow franchise.
>>587049920>cnc is for ships that are cncSo not shadamy
>>587049858once again for those with poor literacy...none of what you're saying happened in THAT scene, schizo.
>>587049850Dougefag stole it from /a/ since he's that one /a/schizo /dbs/ hates https://desuarchive.org/_/search/text/Cute%20n%20canon/order/asc/page/2/
>>587049952so shadamy*
>>587049904not really
This bitch got really mad at me today
How does it feel seeing all your favorite characters being rewritten and becoming dogshit while trannies cheer.
FROM THIS MOOOOMEEEENT ON!!!! I AM MOOOOVIIING OOON! AND I'LL NEVER TURN BAAAACK!!! NO!!!
>>587050102It happened to me even before trannies existed.
>>587049920westshit=noncanon
Shadow moved on from Maria and into my bed
Nobody cares, nothing ever happens.Tomorrow you'll come back again, only to talk about namefags.
SHADOW THE HEDGEHOGA black hedgehog who is Sonic's spitting image.He is the ultimate lifeform, created by the genius scientist of the century, Professor Gerald. He was given an ageless, deathless body and the power of "Chaos Control," a special ability that uses the Chaos Emeralds to warp time and space.A sharp blade. A purity so extreme it's dangerous, one that will use any means to reach its goal. A taut thread.In the past, he lost the girl most dear to him before his own eyes. That memory, and the wish the girl made as she was dying, became a trauma. It is now the driving force that moves Shadow.Shadow has had this bio since the characters' inception. It has never changed.
I think Shadow's devotion to Maria is forever. That's how Shadow likes it. Not many things he likes.
>>587050102It feels like reading a Krack post.
>>587050232The only ultimate lifeform is Jesus.
>>587050203all of sthg sleeps in the same big bed lol. with matching pajamas as well of course
>>587050262Your headcanon was never real.
I'm glad Iizuka and Maekawa disagree with you. They are men. They write stories that I like. I respect them.
>>587033795Nice compression, stupid bitch.
>>587050232niggas be like "i love sa2" then get mad when you stick to sa2 characterization
>>587050262That chick never moved on from me. Took me an entire weekend to move her from my bed.
>>587050316I think you're confused. I'm quoting a scene from the games. You are twisting that to fit your fanfiction. We are not the same.
>>587050356Based.
>>587050232This was posted in 2017 too. https://x.com/mizuhano/status/927684421444018176Pre-2024.
>>587050394I love SA2's speed gameplay
>>587050450You've twisted it the same way you've likely twisted that '06 scene into a headcanon where Team Dark are chummy friends that live together.
It's been a long rough road but I'm finally hereI move an inch forward, it feels like a year
>>587050576Sounds like terrible sex
even rouge accepts that shadow loves maria, i don't know why rougefag is against what rouge herself knows
>>587050356based
>>587050554>Twisted it>Likelylol more ironyI didn't twist anything, I'm just seeing exactly what you are but you're jumping through hoops to deny it.
>>587050576Snailanon...
>rouge out of nowhereHow does she mindbreak Shadrias so easily?
>>587050687Shadow doesn't love maria like that>rougefag is against what rouge herself knowsReal rougefags (and shadowfags) understand that they're the dark mirror of sonic and amy, and will naturally end up together at some point.
There are people ITT who think the Ocarina of Time remake will make Sonic Team remake Sonic Adventure even though Ocarina of Time already had a remake in 2011 and it didn't make them remake Sonic Adventure.
>>587050695And what am I? I only look for what Sonic Team meant for Shadow, at its purest source, and defend that. I do not care what the fanbase headcanons, I do not care if I am hated, I do not care about overwriting his story with things that I find more attractive. I only care about how special Shadow's story is. Anyone who wants to delete Shadow's story or override what he cares about is my enemy.
>>587050876
>>587050810For a second I thought you were calling her boobs "Shadrias"
Amy is for SonicRouge is for ShadowBlaze is for SilverHow is this hard for people to understand
>>587050837>they're the dark mirror of sonic and amy, and will naturally end up together at some point.lmao
>>587050837The darkness is that they won't end up like sonic and amy, shadouge isn't completely baseless like, shadamy/sonaze etc. but it's also not going to be the endgame.
>>587049904I always forgave Battle (we know the writing release timeline situation there) and Shadow Gens as head spinning moments. Shadow is trying to move on but things come back that make that harder
Here I aaaaaaaaaaaam!I made it to!The end of you!!
>>587051029Don't touch my ends.
>>587050939Cool scene. What's it got to do with my reply though?
>>587050232Why is your posting method to just ignore replies and type a new essay
>>587050947Rouge was made as Knuckles rival and Blaze is a replacement Amy
>>587050967Every canon bio for rouge has mentioned her relationship with shadow, similar to how every canon bio for amy has mentioned sonic up until very recently due to Ian. Luckily, Ian and Evan are both enthusiastic about shadouge and silvaze, which are their rare redeeming qualities
Shadow Generations is the now and then where Shadow's head starts to spin
>>587050942How does she mindbreak her boobs?
>>587051114Because I assume you must not know the information.
>>587051041Can’t you see we’re in the middle of something? Fuck off Whisper!
>>587051153Ian and Evan like Sonadow better.
Has this entire fucking thread been about debating Shadow
>>587051171I just saw the gif and Shadrias, plural, was the first word I read.
>>587051204You must not know the information either since we have to keep telling you to actually play past and win the Devil Doom fight instead of just dying to it and thinking the scene and song afterwards didn't happen
>>587051140She was made as both a rival to knuckles and dark emi, rouge being shadow amy isn't a shipfag thing.I am not sure about blaze being ''replacement amy'' the association seems more western than japanese.
>>587051276It's been nothing but mass debating
>>587051114Because she's schizophrenic. This whole conversation has nothing to do with reality but her creating a story based off of offhand statements, misinterpreting canon information that suits her purposes, and completely and utterly ignoring any canon information that harms her purposes.
>He's gone to defending Ian and EvanThis is how you can tell that the people who hate Maria are the Shadow version of the Lore Team attempting to kill Amy's love for Sonic.
>>587051140>Rouge was made as Knuckles rivalAnd knuckles was made as a sonic rival. And shadow was made as a sonic rivalAnd fang was made as a knuckles rivalWhat are you trying to say? Nowhere does it say rivals have to be anything more than rivals>Blaze is a replacement AmySonazefag, blaze is sonic's rival. Only.
>>587051276No, we we're talking about SEGA disrespecting the Adventure gameplay as well.
>look look! These people i hate are also these other people i hate!Its so derailing
>>587051110What does the scene show?
>>587051110Well he threw Maria's pic away and said goodbye forever shadow the hedgehog then never turn back started playing.
I wish krack was available to argue with outside of 4chan so other anons wouldn't interfere and weaponizeHer choosing to spend her time here and only here (with the occasional twitter posting) is really dismal
>>587051518She’s literally on Twitter. Fucking DM her is you wanna chat so bad.
>>587051608She wouldnt answer. Shes chained to this place like shadow is chained to... haha
>>587051498Please don't ask her that, she's going to start writing fanfictions and back it up with Maekawa saying Shadow and Maria loved each other in 2014.
/sthg/... this is the promise I made to you...
>>587051518Please take her. Talk to her about Shadow and Maria for 24 hours straight, please.
mascot cereal
>>587051498>>587051513Shadow is throwing away what is physical as he repeats Maria's last words to him. He no longer needs anything but the truth in his heart. This is said to Black Doom in the cutscene before he goes Super Shadow. When he Chaos Controls away the Black Comet, he refers to it as "His past". He tells it to vanish, because Black Doom is also Shadow's past. (The Professor's hopes here are that Shadow is a light of hope for humanity. This is what he was born for).
Why come Shadow never mentions Maria in 06?
>>587050947Amy and Blaze were made as mirror images for Sonic, Rouge was for Tails (back when she was Nails) and then repurposed to mirror Knuckles in Adventure 2 while also working with Shadow on team dark.Know your franchise lore nigga.
>>587051847It's an AU where she doesn't exist.
>>587051835He doesn't say that though. He just says he's doing away with the past, then throws away the pic of Maria and says Goodbye Forever, Shadow the Hedgehog. He doesn't say I will carry the truth in my heart. He LEARNS the truth, but he never says I will carry this in my heart forever. The only thing he says forever to is "goodbye".
>>587051847the internal bio mentions her
>beta materialIf it didn’t make it in the final product it doesn’t matter.
>>587051980You're missing the quote because it's different in English.
Why come Shadow never mentions Maria in Forces?
>>587051835Somehow magically Shadow putting thr past behind him only means the Doom part and not the Gerald or Maria part... this totally doesn't shit on an entire thematic point of the game or anything
>>587051140>>587051325Blaze is to Amy what Shadow is to Knuckles.An edgier twist on the same role
>>587051325>>587051390>>587051140I feel like you guys have the tendency to view romantic stuff as ''who ends up who'' rather than thematic or metaphysical, rouge being amy's ''shadow'' repressed self isn't something dougefags made up, but the repressed, rejected side is that someone who is selfish, double-faced and plays for multiple sides rather than a hopeless romantic. whatever romance she would have is a dead end.I am not even sure how much of a sonic/blaze subplot is there in the first place but even if we assume she did like sonic not only are sonic's feelings portrayed as strictly platonic to her(unlike amy's who has a more ambigous tension that japanese interpret as loving her) blaze, being the opposite of rouge is a duty minded and altruistic person, she wouldn't betray her people, nor her friend(amy) by trying to get sonic.think about who the characters are and what thematics they have.
>>587051980The entire point of the game is learning the truth. Shadow learns the truth from Gerald and Maria. The words give him the power to overcome Doom. He fulfills it, says goodbye to the Black Comet (who thinks he is owed Shadow's servitude due to a past deal), and then continues to fight as he always has: living with the name Maria gave him, with the truth in his heart.
>>587052101She's not relevant.
>>587051276YES
>>587052052ok well provide the japanese pls>>587052142ya...i know all that. why are you including that part but omitting the putting the past behind me and goodbye part?
>>587052121see>>587052131
>>587052142Again with the autistic bot repeating. You can keep saying "the name Maria gave him" and "knowing the truth" and yeah all of that is true. That doesn't address the fact that he isn't putting the past behind him and moving on to live for himself if he is going to live for Maria's wish
>>587052193He is putting the past behind him. While he keeps the truth in his heart.
>>587052236yeah see that's the part where you go schizo cause that is not what he says at any point.
>>587051872>Rouge was for Tails (back when she was Nails) Rouge was never "nails". Her beta name was Shadow.>then repurposed to mirror KnucklesFor gameplay purposes only. Otherwise knuckles would have been even more useless and irrelevant in SA2 than he was alreadyKnow your franchise lore FAGGOT
Sorry i don't care about niggerdow.
>>587052232Maria's wish is his wish. He says "It is my desire to bring hope to humanity." In Sonic Battle.My desire.
>>587052236You can know the truth and move on.
>>587051518Why, I don't want to have conversations on there. I don't trust people.
Honestly I don't care who rouge ends up with so long as it isn't knuckles. I cannot fucking stand that ship
Rouge was named "Nails" not to associate with Tails but to be a rival to "Knuckles" but a woman, you troglodytes
>>587052343Which is what Shadow's doing currently. The truth lives in his heart, and Maria's wish is his own.
So just to be clear, you believe Sonic Team is making a mistake with Shadow and Maria?
>There's only one thing left to do...>To put the past behind me...>While keeping the truth in my heart! Chaos Control!
>>587052435Rouge was never named nails. That is completely made up
>>587052320Why the fuck are you resorting to using localized lines now when it supports you? Pull up the Japanese version like you have for every other reference. He does not say that "my desire" part in Japanese.
>>587052435Not a dougefag but her only proto name was shadow
Heads or tails, call it.
>>587052489The JP has him refer to the Black Comet as his past. You get that right
>>587052439Maria's wish is not his wish. He famously and notably does not like humanity. He only gives them a chance because Maria wants that. It is not for himself. This is not living for himself.
>>587052510uh oh
>>587052549Tails
>>587052510Bring hope to humanity, yes. Maria's wish is his own. All that Shadow is is with Maria. That's why her saying "Shadow and I will protect this planet" gives him the strength to stand against Dooms' mind control.
>>587052609Maria's wish is Shadow's wish because Maria is literally Shadow. Shadow is Maria. They are one. It's the same wish.
>>587035418>SA1 invented automation and spectacle setpieces.Those were in the classics. Especially Sonic 3.
>>587052687>That's why her saying "Shadow and I will protect this planet" gives him the strength to stand against Dooms' mind control.But he declares he will see Gerald's will through to the end, so if anything Gerald gave him the will to break the mind control.
>>587052643It was heads, now you're gonna sleep with me as penance.
>>587052131^ Neither rouge nor blaze have a romantic endgame in future, only amy does.
>bring hope to humanityHumanity would rightfully take him for granted. They would look to someone like Sonic or Silver as hope, because they actually care about its people and future. Saving the world is just a job to Shadow, it’s impersonal.
>>587052609Maria's wish is his wish though. You're an overly literal autist. Shadow: Why did Gerald give me a heart!?Rouge: He never wanted to research weapons... He did his research for humankind's happiness, and for hope... But the government, the military... forced him into military research. So he input a "heart" into Shadow, and into the Gizoid... the heart of his most beloved granddaughter, Maria...Rouge: So he input a new activation keyword into [The Gizoid]. That way, Gerald's program would take full effect. In other words, the same... um... program as Shadow's...Shadow: ...And that keyword is?Rouge: ... ... ..."Hope to all humankind"...Shadow: "Hope to all humankind", huh... ... ... Not bad...
>>587052705You do not understand Sonic Battle.>>587052687>Maria's wish is his own. No it isn't. It's hers. He only subscribes to it because of her, not because he wants that for himself, which you have just erroneously claimed by trying to use dubshit>That's why her saying "Shadow and I will protect this planet" gives him the strength to stand against Dooms' mind control.And now you are back to talking about before the Doom fight instead of after.
Alright, I'm going to sleep, eat shit Krack.
>>587052796Because Gerald's wish is the same as Maria's too. He tells Shadow he is a light of hope for humanity. Maria agrees.
BOO
Why is there always immediately hostility to douge whenever it gets brought up? No, you can't say "because of the schizo" because krack exists, sonurgefag exists, and yet people don't immediatley lose it when shadaria or sonurge get brought up.
>>587052818Whoa this art style is beautiful. If only this Sally wasn't in such a sexy pose
>>587052901Nah, he's right. What part of "He input a heart into Shadow, the heart of his most beloved granddaughter, Maria" don't you understand here. They're one.
>>587052940POST THE FULL YOU COWARD
>>587052881>you're an autist for reading what's on the screen instead creating a venn diagram connecting the dots in every game
>>587052881You are the overly literal autist if you believe "Maria's heart" means "he literally wishes for the same things she does because he is her". The Gizoid also has this heart. He famously is also not Maria. Because that's not what the point of the heart/soul is/means.
>>587053026Her wish is his wish bro. You disagree with the guy who wrote the game lol.
>>587053026I think for maria it implies ''his world/his anima'' but i am not sure
>>587052937So Shadow, Maria, and Gerald are all one but Shadow is living only for himself? Shadow's soul is getting crowded ngl
>>587052940TAILS YES
>>587053075I wasn't aware you had interviews from Asahiko Kikuchi talking about Shadow and the meaning of Maria's heart in Sonic Battle.
>>587052921Every time you try to say Shadow shouldn't give a shit about Maria and that it's a regression, I will say no btw. Nothing supports that except for your subjective personal reading of the scene in which he repeats Maria's words. Tomorrow. And the next day. And the next day. And the next day. And the next. And the next.
>>587037185"not caring" =/= "wouldn't still do it"You people are children and think in oppositional black and white terms.Whenever Sonic does it, its almost always presented as him playing along, just being nice or doing it to remind them of their station because he knows its important to them specifically and he is trying to get through to them.Not caring about something doesnt mean you have to be obstinate about it. Being obstinate woulf actually prove that you care enough to be oppositional about it
>>587053214Iizuka man
Wow, 99% of this thread is an archiefag seething because Shadougeshit isn't canon
>>587053240Did you just swear to come to 4chan every day?
there's more shadaze in archie than shadouge. shadouge was never even suggested in archie. it was casual team dark slop and it had 0 romantic hints. soniona and shadaze had more to them than shadouge
>>587053297Right, right, the movie synergy interviews to support the game he wrote 20 years before it all connected by a piece of lore from Battle that his game didn't even reference or use. Yes yes. Shadmari forever!
>>587053337I already do. It's fun here. The format is ideal for longer debates.
>>587053256When has sonic ever said your highness/majesty in game canon? This js an archieism
>>587053413Poor seething Bulmabro. 2020, 2021, 2022, and 2023 also reference Shadow caring about Maria in Sonicpict btw.
>>587053240>shouldn't give a shitWhy do you always have to frame opposing arguments with this disingenuous reading?
>>587053410It's always archiefags talking about teamdarkshit or how shadow was friends with muh hope
>>587053517This isn't about him caring about her because that isn't what's being argued and i'm not your namefag boogeyman. You can care about someone while living for yourself. Stop assuming everyone thinks in the same shipfag binary you do
Hell yeah 4chan is better than the more surface feeling social media
>>587053584team dark slop is popular within the whole fandom retard. so the entire sonic fandom are archiefags now? if so then archie must have been so great
>>587038491The problem with Adventure 3 is most people that claim to want it dont actually want it. They have just created the notion in their head that "Sonic Adventure 3" being made "will be amazing" because of the feelings they associate with Adventure 1 and or 2.
>>587053536Because that's what you mean when you say that. You were really angry that Shadow referenced her wish in Crossworlds. You are angry when Shadow thinks about her. You are angry that Shadow still cares for her, or would attempt to prevent her from dying again if the opportunity to finally save her were placed in front of his face. You are angry that he has internalized her wish as his own, and that everything he is is with Maria. You are mad that the writer of Shadow the Hedgehog does not support the incorrect interpretation you made about his own game.
>>587052940
duo lost
>>587038970>prioritises the meme chao garden over alt gameplay.This is why Iizuka says Adventure is not coming back and is outdated.
>>587053957
>>587053830Iizuka is old and feeble and will not be a part of the franchise after the next game, and I say good riddance.
>>587053663People don't call Sonic's group Team Sonic. Nobody says Team Rose. It's always Team Dark because that's what they're called in Archieshit. Archiefags astroturfed it.
>>587053410When it comes to game cast, the ship hints are so low that people will consider being friends as a hint
>>587039748>Our main character does everything for his own personal joy, that's greedy.No it isn't. Fuck altruismfaggotry.
Shadow will never love Rouge
>>587039932>SA2 is worse than the boost games? It has the same problemsNo it doesn't.>All of the levels are hallways except for the treasure hunting levels which are all ass. False. >The easiest way to beat each level is to stop in place and keep spindashing because that's faster than just running.Engage with the ranking system, also not true either.
>>587052946Fuck Shadouge
>>587054087MY HEROES… And Shadow too, I guess…
>>587054091Reeeeee!!!! *destroys thread*
>>587053692>You were really angry that Shadow referenced her wish in Crossworlds. I am angry about character regression>You are angry when Shadow thinks about her.No.>You are angry that Shadow still cares for her, or would attempt to prevent her from dying again if the opportunity to finally save her were placed in front of his face.No.>You are angry that he has internalized her wish as his own, and that everything he is is with Maria. I am mad you are pretending this is moving on and living for himself when it isn't.>You are mad that the writer of Shadow the Hedgehog does not support the incorrect interpretation you made about his own game.I am mad you weaponize a contextually unrelated interview to support your own poor interpretation of that game's ending
>>587054241>>587054241>>587054241
*Ahem*NIGGERDOW!FAGGOTDOW!RETARDOW!RAPED-OW!FAILDOW!BITCHDOW!TARDOW!TRANNYDOW!SHITDOW!KEKDOW!And the more you invent the more i add.
bake the bread
>>587054143iizuka is right
>>587054230It's not a regression. What you want is an erasure. I will defend my favorite Sonic character from that erasure.
>>587041925>Do you believe Shadow moved on from Maria at the end of Shadow the Hedgehog?Yes>Do you consider Shadow Generations as a character regression?Not exactly.>Do you believe that Shadow not working for GUN is a 2010s retcon?No>Do you believe Shadow, Rouge, and Omega not being friends is a retcon?No
Maekawa being a shoujofag caused funny things concerning this franchise
>>587052818HELLO? Hello? ello? ello - ello - ell... ll.......
>>587054001yes they do. take your low quality bait elsewhere, we don't like third tier shit posters here
>>587041925>Do you believe Shadow moved on from Maria at the end of Shadow the Hedgehog?Yes. Any other reas is copium. The simple reality is, there are a lot of people who choose not to read it that way, or try to twist and reframe what is clearly being stated in the game, because they dont like it. Because for a lot of people, the pnly redeeming aspect of Shadow was that he really liked a cute innocent blond girl that the government died and was willing to both kill and die for her. And if she moves on, they eill rationalize it as him being retconned into "Vegetadow" (whatever rhat means).>Do you consider Shadow Generations as a character regression?Not exactly. The choice itself to revisit his relationship with that decision is not itself a regression. Its a valid story to tell. My issue with it is it sometimes feels like it was done more to reincorportate Maria back into his writing and character overtly again rather than explore his relationship with that decision by holding it up to a test or scrutiny. >Do you believe that Shadow not working for GUN is a 2010s retcon?No>Do you believe Shadow, Rouge, and Omega not being friends is a retcon?NoI also notice there is a not small correlation between people who say Yes to the last 2 and being Archiefags.
>>587043805>Shadow and Rouge,Lul
>>587044879This
>>587045309This comic depicts Shadow remembering a part of his past, and driving it off.She isnt being his guiding light. She is telling him he is everyone elses' guide to the light.
>>587045601Not them but Maria and Amy's love for sonic aren't 1 to 1.Amy's love for Sonic is an inward thing that motivates her. Shadow's Maria thong is an outward thing he holds onto.Amy isn't living for Sonic. Her feelings are thing being expressed and imposed outward.Shadow clinging to Maria's wish is him living fof someone else.
>>587046352>Knuxougefag>out of nowhereRent free lmao. None of these posts were me. Also im not even a knuxougefag.
>>587048227Stfu Bulmabitch
>>587049384That's Amy's thing...
>>587056547>>587055013>>587054507Seething shipfag
>>587049949>CrashfagGo back >>>/vr/
>>587050232>Shadow has had this bio since the characters' inception. It has never changed.Okay but this is a lie
>>587057792Maekawa literally posted the bio for SA2's development
>>587050838Westoids dont respect handheld games. This remake is on a "homeconsole" so it "matters more this time. (Please ignore the fact the switch is portable)
>>587057938Sad but true
>>587051390>And knuckles was made as a sonic rival.Yes>And shadow was made as a sonic rivalYes>And fang was made as a knuckles rivalNo.Not sure how any of this is supposed to be a counter to anything.Rouge was made around Knuckles as a rival and love interest.
>>587052307>For gameplay purposes only.Copium
>>58705346206 and Black Knight
>>587057851>SA2sYeah no shit stupid
>>587058734and it hasn't changed since
>>587035971Shadamy its just a pathetic attempt to replace Maria with Amy over aesthetic reasons
>>587037453Shut up, Evan
>>587049084I don't want the west to change Shadow. I want Iizuka to care about other characters too, not just Shadow.
