>News, Dev Blogposts & Podcasthttps://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/>Upcoming Patch Noteshttps://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/pvp-faction-balance-updates-november-10/2408781/173https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/class-tuning-incoming-november-10/2404092>Talent Calculatorhttps://wowforevertalents.com/>NA Guilds<Clover Club> RP-PvP Alliance<FUN HAVERS> PvE Alliance<You Have To Go Back> PvP Horde<Daybreak Company> RP-PvE Alliance<GLOBOFOMO> RP-PvE Horde<Mulgore Dairy Farm> PvE Horde>EU Guilds<Breeland Watch> PvP Horde<Wrench> PvE Horde<FRESH> PvP Alliance<Non Functional> PvE Alliance>How to join a guildType /who g-"Guild Name" to see who is online and whisper anyone.Previous >>587470349
(You) WILL join and BE happy>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4yHeEAFu8o
The Ogrebros might have given up, but I shall not.
Sex with little gnome girls
Post skelves
>click a couple of times and easily filter out all the shit spammed by starving AI-jeets>thread quality instantly improves tenfoldIt's that easy, huh
So are they seriously not gonna drop the dual spec cost? I wanna know before I blow the 50 gold.
>>587481319>. You couldn't just spam abilities.You shouldThis is NOT eraHow many times you fags gotta read this
>>587481307Satyrs, Ogres, maybe even Dryads. Hope lives
https://x.com/N_Tys26/status/2120314782205276391Is this the "chad horde player" I keep hearing about? It sounds like this guy is about to break down in tears
>>587481373used to be 1,000 gold
>>587481292kys
>>587481143>Mage>Alchemist >EnchanterYep, it's gaming time
spoken is such a fucking KINO addon disables the one for placesbut for quests this shit is fire
How big do you think the drop off will be tonight when all the trials end ? We will really see how "successful" the launch was, I guess
why did he do it
>>587481292imagine being so pathetic that you lose at poltard grifting so you go back to grifting chud gaymers.
>>587481394well he's clearly not a horde player, now is he
>>587481485ill install it again after the jeet fixes the quest pre-dialogue having different voice than the actual quest one
>>587481373Why? You don't need a specific spec to do dungeons while leveling. It's for endgame.
>>587481525back to the end of beta pop.
>>587481424should have stayed 1k gold
>was worried over world pvp viability of various classes>thought carefully about what class and build to go with>in the end 80% of players in open world are retards killable with any class
Sex?! With Gnome Chibimanko?!You gotta be kitten me...
>>587481292is it really over?
So are they going to buff warrior damage or what? It's absurd that a classes that have multiple full immunities, and instant full healing, and extreme mobility do more damage than a class that can not do any of that. And don't post that "warrior hybrid" bullshit, paladin and druid are a healer, tank, and dps. Paladin and Druid are both objectively more hybrid than warriors.
Should of brought back warmode1 BIG serverWarmode on or off layers you with same people
>>587481525I'm buying the sub :)
>>587481617I want to quest as shadow but heal dungeons as disc.
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/polestarBased guide btw
what were they thinking? people are already bored.
>>587481485The one for places is cool too, I've learned a lot of little side lore I had no idea about
>>587481796>taking all the fun out of exploring
>want to play hunter so much for solofarming exploits and mm finally being good>dont want to grief myself by locking myself out of dungeons and raids (everyone and their dog are playing hunter)what do
My, you’re a hung one.
that dungeon in riverglades is a bit silly hey>360 cleaveguess ill just go fuck myself as a melee enthusiast
>>587481394That's why blizzard aren't letting him make a character.
>>587481424>used to be 1,000 goldim wotlk, retardwhere you could made 1k gold just questing
>>587481809They should wait until January to release raids. December is too soon.
>>587481853make your own groups
>>587481809I'm glad because I'm leveling slow as fuck. I'm only 25.
these skysluts are too sexy
>>587481705WoW: Forover
>>587481292Sorry bro I'm euro...
>>587481796why use this when pirated restedxp works?
>>587481879agreed
HOLY FUCK YOU WERENT KIDDINGi'm a tank and got a dungeon group asap including healers begging to join lmao
>>587481535Pol is a bunch of lefties now. All the people who cant stand Elon and X went to Pol and other lib sites. All the people who were banned on X and were on Pol have now gone back to X
>>587481809what people? the ~1000 60s? retard
>>587481813It also helps you find hidden stuff. Like I've played this game since 2005 and never knew there was a goblin merchant in Raven Hill.
>>587481958I just need an addon that you can click to instantly invite ONLY healers/ tanks or at the very least put an icon behind their nameLFG Window is just too filled with DPS
>>587481876didnt say anything about when or where. it simply used to be 1000g. as in, it could be worse
>every other item has bonuses vs certain mob type or in certain areaswow so horizontal to fill your bags with gear swaps....what lil nigger enjoys this?
>>587481394Bro is about to start crying because he can't make a horde character. Love to see it.
>>587481998Yeh that's where you get the recipe shadow oil if it wasn't in stock when you got there
>create dworf pally female>act female>write femalelads... what's happening with me
>>587481696Me with the axe
>>587481918kek forover. good one anon.
ALEXENSUAL RUNS THIS GENERAL
Do people really find these ugly low poly WoW models sexy?
>>587482016Yeah the lfg window should let me filter based on class. I don't want to invite people who will roll on my items and there are so many dps paladins waiting in queue
>>587481958some trannies were claiming there's no healers
>>587481394Why don't they just implement a character creation queue, and instead of being obtuse about it, Blizzard clearly demonstrate faction balance on the Server screen or something.
>>587481391Since WoWF is *allegedly* the big rollback I say retcon Dryads into having been an order of female Satyrs all along. The W3 unit was the anti-casting and poison unit, all it needs is redressing as a much darker hybrid hominid."Laughing Sisters" is the perfect name for an organization of wandering soothsayers that use "forbidden" magic that the Sentinels begrudgingly made deals with.The Hoofies will come!
>>587482105The beginning of the troons journey
>>587482016yea is' crazy you cant filter it at all.>>587481958yea I'm to lazy to make my own groups so if i see tank group i whisperheal dungeonIf I list myself I could get invited into a dungeon with a low level tank and I always think I'd rather eat glass.
>>587482038What's wrong with being specialized to attacking in certain zones? Sounds based to me.
>>587482159>>587482218https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/lfgutilsFound this
>>587482105you gonna end up like barny broat least you are not playing undead so the brain rot will progress slower
LEVEL 25 AND PROUD
>>587482238Scratch that>>587482218>>587482159https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/lfg-foreverThis one looks way better
anyone on pve na got a guild invite for me?alliance, hunter, fart finder
wish blizzard would nuke addon api. cant stand qol because it makes the game too accessible and not miserable enough
Post cute Tauren art
>your average green tyronewhy do the always look like that
>>587482348Post big ass tauren jugs
>>587482348Post cute MaleTyrxFemTaur art
>want to roll mage>dont want to hand water like a cuck in africa>leveling is apparently a pain >no instant groupssigh... how is priest?
I once laughed so hard I milked all over the floor
Post Level + StatsLevel 26 Paladin
>>587481950there's no pirated version of restedexp that's up to date >>587481827I played the game 20 years ago, there's nothing to "explore"
>>587482567lol there's plenty this isnt wow classic
>>587481394Jesus when did green tyrone players become this fucking pathetic
>>587482567yes there is?
>>587481809Nah, not really. I'm getting one level a day, so I'll probably not get quite there by raid time.
>>587482558Level 22 Druid
>>587482462the b0mb
I'm thinking about leveling elemental you guys think it's worth going 11 points into resto for water shield first?
>>587482567>>587481796genuinely, why not just watch a lets play on youtube instead? its more or less the same interaction with the game as is following those lobotomite "guides" ike a zombie
>>587481394LMFAOOOO
Anyone rerolling 30+ ?
>>587482810is that good or bad?
>>587482324holyshit same?
>>587481143Where is the rest of her ass?
Guys I'm a new player, currently level 16 Druid on Horde PvP, taking my time. Should I re-roll to PvE? I like PvP, like WvW in GW2, but the more I hear about the open world PvP in this game, the more I'm not sure. I am going against people who have been playing this game for 20 years. What do you guys think? I do not have any friends or people to play with, I am 100% solo so far.
When is the patch going live?
Does Frost Mage ever get better or would it be better off respeccing to Arcane?
this is a neat addon
>walk into your room>see thisYour response?
>>587483010bro you're on horde. you won.
>>587482105Are you at least farming gold with it?
>>587482881yeah but im crippled by server choice>eu pvp alliance is dying>cant roll eu pvp horde because of faction lock>eu rp pvp is doa>dont want to be a tranny and roll pve
>get to level 10 on pvp horde>thread scares me away from pvp (faction imbalance)>get to level 7 on pve>dont like the name>recreate pve character with new name and get to level 8how am i doing????
>>587482827For 11 points you could also just get elemental focus instead. Serves a similar purpose and you won't have to spend your first 10 levels dumping points into a tree you'll abandon. Meditation isn't bad either ig but I think you'll probably get more value from just going straight ele unless you're healing every group content you do
>>587482202>>587482271>>587483084i'm just larping an writing with other dudes
>>587482038it remains to be seen if they will do anything with them. needing nature gear for AQ or assembling pieces like the onyxia scale cloak for BWL are kino.
>>587482348
>>587481143man hands
do taurens have the funniest player base?
Why aren't drops instanced? It doesn't really make sense for things to drop, and then argue with a group who gets it.Why aren't quest objective mobs instanced or created on demand? Why prevent people from making Horde or Alliance characters as they wish? That seems like really bad game design.
>>587483072I'm not sure what you mean by this. Is this because Horde outnumbers Alliance? Won't that change as time goes on?
>>587483105blizz said eu rppvp is locked so it's not dead
>>587483186I will be healing all group content I do, but I wont be doing dungeons more than once due to the XP nerfs so you're probably right. It's unnecessary. Thanks anon.
>>587483105>>eu rp pvp is doait's the only pvp alliance dominated server in the world, love it here
>>587483023>Does Frost Mage ever get betterhaha
Is dungeon mob xp worth it yet?
Mightve installed too many addons
>>587481394BRUTAL!
>furtroons are so desperate to fit in they are trying to latch onto tauren, because they have nothing else in ForeverGrim
>>587483010druid or rogue are ideal for open world pvp if you are new or uncertain about it because they have a built in button that turns ganks off and allows you to be a rapist instead (cat stealth)
This is my first time playing WoW. I'm currently level 14 and have been enjoying this. Do the number of enemies you have to go kill and items you have to collect just keep going up? Like right now it's go kill 20 Harvest Watchers or collect 7 of this and 4 of that, etc. Does this get to the point where it's asking me to go kill 100 of some enemy?
>>587483483isn't this objectively bad game design if you need addons
>>587483471to spam over and over? no but the small buff made doing each dungeon w/ full quests even more worth
>>587483507Literally no other race in the Horde can play druid>But what about skelfLmao, imagine paying $30 for a blue elf recolor
hope we will see draenei in wow forever
>>587483546don't worry about it. the quests in vanilla/classic are just thinly veiled suggestions for grinding. 'oldschool' wow was very grind-centric for a western mmo and it still is quite effective. eat some cooked fish for a super easy 5% xp buff, kill the shit the quest wants and the reward is a little cherry on top
>>587483010world pvp is really meh most of the time but youre horde so you wont get grieffed as muchIf youre ok with RP, you could reroll there. The people that play there are slightly more civil and organize pvp events
>>587483434this will change once the pvp zerg figures out there's allies to fight there
>>587483483No you just installed AI slop masquerading as an addon.
>>587483546sounds like your first time playing any kind of RPGs to be perfect honest ,and yes
>>587483546It never reaches that point though you'll probably end up killing a lot of mobs since drop rates for quest items will still be aids later on.
>>587483546>Does this get to the point where it's asking me to go kill 100 of some enemy?Nah, objective amounts pretty much stay the same, only the enemies get harder and more epic (but you get stronger and more epic too)
HNNNGH~
>stockade>a priest needs and wins a prison shank (it only has agility and stamina)>druid wins lockpicking gloves roll
what if they turn this into a sandbox game while retail stays a theme park?
>>587483706green tyrones fear the RP tag as much as they fear not being able to larp as an indian online, we are safe
>>587483687We will get the pre-retcon version
So when does alchemy start making me money>mfw at 223 herbalism and 225 alchemy and staring down the artisan training fee>i'm level 30
>>587483326>Won't that change as time goes on?Maybe? while it's true they've locked horde. That doesn't really mean it's an immediate solution to the existing faction imbalance. If alliance players keep complaining and posting about being killed by horde who out number them new players wont roll the faction and eventually existing players will cease playing.Locking the faction just slows that down but isn't an actual solution, the real solution would be efficient use of sharding but if blizzard could do that, we wouldn't need faction locks.
>>587483783I mean stocks is so short it shouldn't really matter
>>587482602>lol there's plenty this isnt wow classicClassictrannies really struggle to understand this
>>587483876pre-retcon version is lamepre-retcon are just lost ones, no one would like to play those, they need to be at least broken
>>587482893it is the best
>>587483023just level as arcane. If you play on pvp and you want to participate in wpvp you can do arcane / frost hybrid. The moment you get Mage Armor you dont even have to drink any more.
>>587483665Speaking of Skelves, how many editions have been sold? I suspect upper management said it's mandatory to make them a paywalled piece of content and are being used as the metric of success of WoWF, and if they underperform they're just going to shut down WoWF.
>>587483876Name 10 things you like about old draenei lore
>>587483896same exact scenario here. i can only hope that FAPs and other general use consumes will go up in price down the line. until then? who knows.i regret not taking skinning.
>>587483053my gf has this exact body type (fake tits) and i still ignore her to play wow sometimes bc i only have like 2 hours to play every other night.anyone else still not in their teens yet? like 3 bars away from 13
>>587484082BASED. HOW OLD ARE YOU
>>587483896People aren't spending money on consumes like that yet. You should be buying cheap mats now and make money later using them to make potions.
>>587483548Nuh uh
>>587483896>no raids out>confused as to why alchemy isn't profitable
>>587484082Post pics of your gf
>>587483105>dont want to be a tranny>wants to roll on a ganktroon server?
>all of the crying about imbalanced pvp servers was over a, at worst, 45-55 splitwhat is wrong with alliance players
>>587483697Does RP have a strong enough population? I saw people posting that due to the layering, the LFG for dungeons are RP will only have like 3 groups up at a given time.
>>587481143BRAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPP
>>587484018Considering paying for them also gave you access to the beta, that's a good metric to see how many they sold (Unless I'm misremembering/mixing things up, I didn't pay for the beta)
>>587484270>>all of the crying about imbalanced pvp servers was over a, at worst, 45-55 split45/55 including lvl 10 and below characters
>>587483507negroW are all but confirmed
>>587484167I think I'll just be stockpiling then.
>>587484331You won't get the chihuahuas you lust after lil gup
>>587484364why does it look so SHIT
whats the console command for sharper shadows again? i didnt save it
>>587484435gilneas is nearly finished and ready to shiparugal is more important than ever beforemutt infestation inbound
>>587484364wdym
>>587484018That's the monetisation model, they're not selling expansions so they'll sell races as packs.
>>587484270>horde unemployment rate: 65%>alliance dadcore unemployment rate: 10%this is what is causing the faction imbalance
>>587484270A 10% gap is massive dude. If every WSG gave the horde 11 players vs alliance's 10 no one would play it anymore.
I am a night elf rogue
>>587484270China's gender ratio is 53-47 and is globally recognized as a population imbalance crisis.
>forum full of horde players crying about not being able to make a green tyrone on pvp again>alliance players still quitting pvp because the actual balance is around 35/65 at best for lvl 30+ charactersuh oh, how will aggrend get out of this pickle?
>>587484572Doesn't matter because alliance always gives up after the first fight
My curseforge automatically downloaded thisBut theres no use case
So how are Shamans now after the nerfs?
>>58748427010% sounds small but when applied to larger numbers it becomes a problem.
>>587484270Hordes are just poopsocking too hard while alliance timmies are playing 2 hours a day max
so whats the canon signature pet for each race?>dwarfbear>orcboar>nelfcat>humanwolf>trollraptor>taurenuuuh... ???
>>587484613he has to introduce Redmans. A human faction that broke off from the Alliance and worshipped Ragnaros the Fire Lord
>>587484723>uuuh... ???Crab
My wifey told me that she's going off to clear Deadmines, I hope she has fun!
>there's a population imbalance! >my evidence? >well here's a clip of people getting off a zeppelin in undercity.. >here's another clip of pikaboo outside of a horde quest hub in ashenvale half the map away from the nearest alliance flight master>here's another clip of me trying to quest right next to hammerfall.. i'm starting to think the people who play this game are stupid animals who should be killed unironically
>>587484723nelf ride on cats, but as pets I associate them more with owls
>>587484613he wont, they will give up at some point and merge pvp and pve and implement warmode. Which then nobody will use, the same as on retail
>>587484572your mom has a 10% gap
>autohotkey to create a horde PVP character 24 hours a day for 3 days>still can't get inIM GOING INSANE
We desparetely need Classic fresh
>>587483965Pre-Retcon Draenei were obviously underdeveloped in just about any capacity you can think of.>Be referenced once in W1 manual by name only>Be referenced once in W2 manual by name only>Appear as a ranged and melee mercenary model in W3:TFT, differentiated only by clothing and voice lines>Lore is always "Got fucked by Orcs into near-extinction">Cocaine-Chris decides to go all-out on his indomitable Cocaine Powers and warps the lore around for "demons" to join the Alliance>They still don't have lore on Draenor and are almost entirely defined by being alien refugees for half a million yearsIf, by any means, they really view WoWF as the cosmic mulligan of WoW lore (which is not going to be the case, the target audience for WoWF wants to see the retail WoW lore up until Shadowlands) then this is the chance to get rid of the Broken-Lost Ones divide, make them all one playable race but offer both customization options to showcase how horrible the effects of the Red Pox was.
>>587484723Can you pet kodo?
>>587484604same! :)
>>587484802shut the fuck up retard
>>587484964>muh data! grow up you stupid gullible faggot.
>>587484841I used warmode a lot in BfA, it was funproblem is Blizzard didn't add any faction themed content since then, everything from SL onwards is neutral garbage, so why even use it
>>587484950no>>587484723tallstrider but idk if you can tame it in forever
Am I meant to do West Loch > Hall of Thanes > East Loch?
i did it bros i tanked hall of thanes and only died once on the fire boss and once on the last boss because the warlock pulled early
>>587485001really grasping at straws there anon
>>587484723EagleTauren have that whole "Native American" vibe, which means they love all birds and eagles in particular. Eagles have been part of their theme in subtle but important ways, and completely took over once we went to Highmountain.
Are there any mobs I can grind around level 25 to make a few gold?
>>587485001>green tyrones don't understand how statistics work just like real tyronesit really is getting uncanny
>>587484816Cute moo
>>587484802It doesn't matter what you think. Not all the gaslighting in the world of warcraft will change people's minds if they are not having fun. You are directing your ire to your fellow players when instead that should be directed towards the developer. All those other players whose experiences you are attempting to invalidate? Their survival is your survival. Stop drilling holes into the lifeboat.
>>587485098>>587485128>>587485174i don't need to grasp for anything since i actually play alliance and it's fine. >layers are too populated!>layers are too sparse!>there's too many alliance>there's too many hordecould it be, maybe, that you're taking an individual experience you had one time and applying it universally as if it's happening everywhere all the time? you people are the stupidest fucking niggers on planet earth. your server will be ruined because you can't stop crying and you don't understand confirmation bias.
>>587483010reroll PVE, it's not too late. you can catch up to level 16 in a day. you can always enjoy PVP in battlegrounds.
Do you think Forever will last beyond the FOMO and hype?
The barrens should be a contested zone. It makes no sense that Redridge is contested which the barrens is not.
>>587484716this is the real problem. alliance are all dadgamers and horde are all real gamers. it would matter if the factions were equal eric father of 3 is not saving you he can only play two hours a night and instantly gets one shot by wife.where juan is a neet orc warrior
>>587485230we will know the drop off tomorrow
it really was /her/ game after all...
removed jiggle? not in my game
>Go to desolace to talk to my enlightened Gelkis Bros>Magram subumans have sent horde no shoes to kill themWhat the fuck is wrong with these MaGRIGGERS
>>587484364>>587484532DUROTAR LOOK LIKE SHIT TONIGHT
>>587484723arguably tallstrider. it's the first mob you encounter as a cow.
>horde are all real gamers(You)
>>587485304Stone talon mountains is contested. barrens is basically westfall.
>>587484964>literally cant tell anything when actually playing the game>BUT LOOK AT NUMBER, PANIC PANIC PANICshut up retard, you dont even play the game
>>587484301Well, it's a good indicator to how well the pack sold, true. I now realize that it still won't tell me how many people bought it for the Skelves.Knowing how popular the race itself is would tell me how much their idea of "let's offer whales more playable races behind a paywall" really is paying off. The popularity of Skelves seems to have plummetted, at least on Yuro servers, or they refuse to show themselves among the rest of the playerbase.They won't have another "open beta" to attach the next racepack to, if what >>587484534 is true. It'll have to stand on its own feet - Which I imagine is going to be the actual chopping block since then they can't blur the numbers anymore.
>>587485376tis tirisfal ofc it look bad mon
>>587485443most trannies are neets so he's not wrongthe only tranny I know is a neet and he's already lvl 60 with his undead warrior
>>587485092Proud of you sister also very cool hair but uhhh your undies are showing?!>olympus VI in the backgroundGrrr
>tfw cant get in on the fun of bullying an entire faction off a server and killing it for everyoneoh well
>>587485223>could it be, maybe, that you're taking an individual experience you had ->inane nigger-babbleoh and you were doing so well there. ahh well. maybe next time you'll achieve self-awareness. good luck!
>>587483663Good, I don't feel like playing then.
>>587485492>literally can't tell when actually playing the gameYou guys are playing the game?
bros im having so much fun on NA.
a faction queue from day1 would have prevented this btw
>>587485314Why, what happens tomorrow.
How much of a death sentence is it to roll on eu pvp alliance? I dont mind playing the underdog faction but i dont want to play on a dead faction
>>587485489The barrens is basically STV>only alliance presence is a neutral city>level 40 dungeons and quests>major travel hub
>enhance got fucking euthanizedFeels bad man
Metzen fix mage nigga
Warmode is coming eventually. Blizzard will cave to people demanding the horde option and merge the servers so I'm getting ahead and rolling pve
>>587485001Ive manipulated the data to spite alliance players on wowfg, no one will ever believe you.
>>587485653friend code free trial ends
>>587485582hate the asmontards as much as everyone else but i don't like playing horde
as someone that doesn't do dungeons or raids i enjoy the crafting system
Why didn't Blizzard solve the problems of Classhart game design before releasing Forever?This was totally foreseeable.
I don't think hanging out in this thread is doing me any good
>>587485885Yeah yeah all fine and dandy but uhh your undies sis...
>>587485843If they add warmode then it's just retail wow.
>>587485034Warmode was the fucking key, man.Instead of just flagging and layering for PvP, actually let me sign up for a reputation. Now, every player who's not the same reputation as you is flagged hostile, and everyone flagged similarly to you is friendly.Couple adjustments to Guild and group management, now you got crossfaction solved, you got world pvp solved, you got the lore solved. The war's back in warcraft, and it's a free-for-all of pure unrepentant egotism as it should be.
Nooticing...
>>587485909They simply went overboard with the class changes
>horde main>might make an alliance tank just to face my tanxiety
Give it to me straight docWill we get mage healing in Forever eventually?I really liked it in SoD for the short time i was playing, did people generally not like the mage healer role?
>>587484270>brown doesn't understand ratios or per capitamany such cases
>>587485675eh it's not as bad as the us from what I have seenjust don't go to ashenvale or right part of arathi
>>587486061>mage healing
>>587485967This doesn’t work for obvious reasons. You’re trying to superimpose your dream on 2004 world of warcraft if you actually thought about this for real for longer than five seconds you’d see why it falls apart and breaks the game
Is hunter crit for ranged bugged? Im getting crit % increases to melee and spells from agility, but my ranged is only getting +5% that I have from talents.
>>587485843warmode would kill the PVP ruleset though? at that point why have a PVE or PVP realm? it would just be RP or not RP
We still talk about you in /wpsg/
>>587485918Retail had very select few good decisions. Warmode is one of them.
Got a bear now instead of a boar, let's see if its any better
Does RP have enough players or nah? Should I reroll from PvP to PvE or RPPvE?
>>587486061Just play SoD if you want mage healing
>>587486124it was sick bro
>>587485843no it's notyou can either roll pve, suffer through ally pvp, or accept you missed out by waiting a week to create a pvp horde character like a dadgamer
>>587486174good for retail. not vanilla.
>>587485360>get urge to make a fat kul tiran bitch>remember they're ugly as fuckGOD I HATE WOKE
>>587485360AHEM can you make me bigger like 5x
Now that the dust has settled is it time to admit they've kind of halfassed this?
Where do I level?
>>587486174Warmode, collections tab and being able to change talents on the fly at big cities are the three best changes retail ever had and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
>>587486154Just toggle on pvp bro for the extra exp, you'll be in your later with everyone else that's got it on
>>587486325>endgame is still raidloggingwho would have thought. Inbefore blizzchuds reply with just make a thousand alts
>>587486314she already makes me bigger...
the further you get in levels, the more selfish the players become
>>587485360Seemed a weird thing for Blizz to do.
It's been a week now. Can you guys stop playing paladin? You're hogging the class and I want to play it.
>>587486325Already did, already uninstalled.
Man a bunch of the /flirt would NOT fly nowadays lmao
When someone says warmode is bad it means they want to gank people who don't know any better and fell for it again picking the wrong ruleset
>>587486438no shit, only sperg niggers are past lvl 40 by now
>>587486471me but with rogue on rp pvp. wish blizzard didnt gigabuff it right before launch desu
>>587486498i'm talking about the mid 20s
I'm getting burned out already. Feels good desu, next week I can start being productive again for half a week until GTA comes
>>587484951It's fuuuun
>>587486495you're just not a real gamer and cannot understand. it is pointless trying to describe to you what the lightning-in-a-bottle that was wow felt like if you weren't there. but warmode is not it.we would never have been able to raid that funeral if warmode existed, for example.
Rolling on alliance PvP but making a rogue so it doesn't matter what level I am relative to the pack or how overpopulated horde is. Actually on a rogue, an overpopulated horde is better. Sub spec to ambush nuke people and then return to stealth right quick.
>>587486482afaik blizzard nuked a lot of /flirt in Shadowlands from retail WoW
someone redpill me on paladins. when do they get good? my 16 ret paladin kinda sucks ass right now. he has the 2h hammer from the hall of thanes quest. is it because im not prot? i have the 1h axe from the boss there too
>>587486325This fucking server has less new content going on than fucking epoch and why they did add is somehow lower quality than the ass turtle stuff dropping wotlk dalaran into alterac with no changes is just boneheaded and it’s retarded half assed “dungeon” is ridiculous. most players literally enter the dungeon the wrong way which shatters the immersion and the effect they were trying to have. It’s like they fundamentally don’t know how to make content without tons of retail stye phasing Basically every question I had when wow forever was launched is being met with “They didn’t address it”And I was correct in that Riverglades was going to be the ONLY substantive content at launch
>>587485608>hd fem ud modelyikes
>>587486407Make a thousand alts.Only way to level is to do all the quests.Which you've already done.No leveling challenges either.They need to add at least 3 more viable sources of xp for this muh billion alts thing.
>go to certain area>30 maulers and 5 shamans around>quest: kill 5 maulers and 10 shamanswhy do they keep doing this shit? did they even test quest objectives once?
>>587486632>we would never have been able to raid that funeral if warmode existed, for example.pvpers still basedjaking over Serenity when they were too young and poor to be part of it kek
>>587486714They'll probably add exp to BGs
>>587486650Stay ret and use the crusader seal
>>587486782believe what you want, newbab.
>>587486782>pvpers>serenitywhat does a failed method knockoff guild have to do with pvp?
>>587486780have you tried not being a whiny bitch?
>>587486714How fucking hard would it have been to make professions and PvP reward decent XP? What happened to the journey and adventure? Instead everyone is crammed onto the same fucking theme park ride again regardless of what they enjoy doing >>587486780It’s because of mob Darwinism. Someone probably did that ques before you got there. They share the same spawn so you need to clear everyone out
Why is every single new Forever quest I find just some escort quest?
damn i should've made a gnome rogue on pve and then waited for warmode, i'm so foolish
>>587486664They're adding jewelcrafting in addition later, they left the vendors in on purpose in dalaran, and you can mine many new gems already
>missilies>its just bowsWHERE ARE MY TOMAHAWK MISSILES
Do bear tanks get any better with dire bear form? Right now in my mid 30 lvl bracket they are frankly trash
Just play allianceKings honor, friend :D
am I stupid or did nightfall have a visual effect in vanilla? I distinctly remember my warlock friend would get SOME effect around them when something proc'd and I thought it was nightfall? Looked like little black squiggly particle effects trailing through the air around them.
>>587486126I don't know what your definition of 2004 World of Warcraft is but I'm going to assume it's an arbitrary and autistic attachment to "THAT'S JUST HOW IT WAS BACK THEN". It was full of systemic holes, people went with it because they didn't know better. Because 2004 WoW made those mistakes and fixed them, we now know they were mistakes that need to be avoided.In fact, adhering to this faction divide has been an uphill battle that they were always destined to lose. Allen Adham had good points for it when they decided to separate players by faction, but that very reasoning was overthrown in 2007 when TBC gave the Horde a pretty race and the Alliance a monster race. The "identify by silhouette" was gone, and more than enough players had had max lvl characters and experienced "greater threats" that took precedence over faction divide several times over.The reality of player behaviour for an MMO is that they want options. They'll likely revert back to whatever default option there is so they will still hang out mostly with their home faction, but to not even allow players to pick and choose if they really mean it is just refusing to accept the actual situation.
>pvp is a shell of its former self as a whole because pvp players keep shitting in the well>the fondest memories pvp players have of pvp at its peak was shitting in the well
How did warmode play out for the people who stuck around in retail?Was it any good?
>>587481768just heal as shadow
>>587486869>>587486892>limpdicked pvp trannies when confrontedkek no surprises there
>>587486632You weren't there, you are 20 years old.
>>587486714I'm not able to complete any zone without being vastly over leveled for the next one. Don't even get me started on dungeon quests.
>>587486892You mention the funeral video but don't even know the guild in it is serenity now
The only time dungeon healing is interesting is when i zone out and suddenly realise the tank is at 10% hp
>>587487014what does that even mean
>>587487019turtle had warmode and people here seem to fellate that
>>587486970>bowsdamn this giga nigga out here firing entire bows at enemies while we're just firing arrows
>>587487049yeah im 20 in 2004
very kino
>>587486714They should make a legacy talent where if you invest into it, you get more EXP from dungeon skills so people can just run dungeons for EXP.
>>587486961That’s just not acceptable and should have been here on launch along with more new contentThey had years and if they’re just going to slowly dole out the additions from later expansion into classic than I’m out like in n out like cars jr like Hardee’s 86’d like an atheist on Sunday
>>587486990They get way more armor and take less damage
>>587487128fucking kek arrows ARROWS
>>587486650bumping for this
>>587487104pvp players only find pvp fun when they're winning, so they go all in to maximize their chances of winning every timethey just forget that someone has to play the losing side, and someone who keeps losing will just quit
>>587487151You're larping in a wow general thread about a pvp video from when you were an infant.
>>587487084Serenity was a retoilet guild racing for world first Nighthold made of ex Method players that didnt agree with Sco when he said he wanted to stream the race. They lost hard and disbanded the same season begging to come back to Method
>>587487152turn off enemy names jesus fucking christ how the hell do people play like that with big red names bouncing everywhere as you traverse the world
whats a good EU PvP Horde guild
>>587487282i wanna see mob names
>pvp servers continuing to buckbreak carebears for 20 yearshow do they do it
>>587487253did you not get the y2k patch and cannot comprehend time before 2004 existed?
>>587487009The reason a free for all pick your own faction doesn’t work is because the game isn’t built for it and you can fuck yoursef over into an extremely unfun time on accident >we should just give up on the idea because they failed and compromised beforeUhNo?And no players shouldn’t be given what they want. The average wow player is a retard who MUST be saved from himself or he will consistently ruin the game for himself. You don’t have the cognitive ability to decide for yourself what you think is fun.
Survival hunterFull dodgeMongoose bite out the assThis is giga fun spamming mongoose bite with giga dps
Best profession combo for a prot paladin? Blacksmithing is cucked and alchemy is gigafucked.
druid level 17, this shit makes me want to uninstall holy fuck what a goddamn slog
>>587487009world of warcraft is a strictly linear experience that falls apart if you start allowing players to choosethe game you want needs to be built from scratch to be that way
>>587487259You're retarded. Nobody is talking about that guild, you are confused
>>587487336>trying to post a soulful screenshot of a nice landscape>mob names in bright red letterstry again
>>587487395It's not "we should give up" it's "we learned and making this exact mistake a second time over is stupid".Or do you also like to burn yourself twice on the stove just to make sure it really was hot you stupid motherfucker?
>>587487480>alchemy is gigafucked.How so?
>>587487104PVP needs forced 50/50 to survive. People cannot be trusted to make good choices for the sake of PVP and will act selfishly when given the chance.PVP only has a future if everyone wins and no one wins more than anyone else.
>>587487019I did a lot of warmode wpvp in BfA, it was, dare I say, funBlizzard added this rotating zone event called faction assaults that were a hotbed of wpvp, that was probably the best spotwe also made several raids and managed to hold the horde capital (Dazar'alor) of the expansion for a few hours, probably my fav memory of doing this on 2nd week of BfAit just died post BfA since blizzcucks refuse to add any new faction content and people just use it to loot warmode only drop chests for free honor nowadays
>>587487539>serenity is brought up>nobody is talking about that guild????????????????????????
who wants to go hall of thanes with me on NA PVE A
i'd level to 60 faster on classic because there would actually be mobs to kill
>post auction on my main>sells instantly>get paid in 2 minutes>post auction on bank alt>1 hour wait to get paidWhat level do you have to be to get around this? It must be somewhere between 5-10 because I think that was when I first started selling wands on the AH on launch day
you guys are legit schizophrenic. maybe get some sleep or touch grass. how much of your brains are left? not very much from what im seeing.
>>587487548no
>>587487480Yes like what the fuck did the devs do to alchemy? Sometimes it feels like wow is made by retards.
>>587487679read the patch notes lil' gup
>>587487642Aren't you enjoying the SOCIAL experience of dreading to see your own faction in the open world?
>>587487642Damn bro not my problem. As a hunter I'm tagging shit all of the day bro
>>587487550There was no mistake. You’re not being clear on precisely what you consider to be a mistake. It sounds like you just want a different game design philosophy rather than actually addressing the game that’s that to better deliver its philosophy. there is no universal game design and we aren’t working towards the platonic ideal of a video game. The way WoW did it is just as valid.
>>587487495I just healed RFC and ROL around those levels and as long as you gather all the quests you will be quickly level 20 and get cat form
>>587487370You're embarrassing yourself.
>>587487609He's talking about serenity now, the PvP guild that raided the funeral in the video that you original brought upNobody is talking about some retail raiding guild you stupid faggot
>>587487767its only embarrassing if i care what you think.
qrd on alchemy?
>>587487840You make potions.
>>587487767nta but you’re an idiot man
nobody does what needs to be done in pvp games anymore. in planetside the way they handled faction imbalance was giving the less populated faction more health and other things i can't remember that scaled with the population deficit. it's the perfect solution for a game that has absolutely no stakes, but you just know people will shit their pants if this type of thing was ever implemented in this era
Why does my Bear have Less TP than my lvl 18 Boar which had enough TP to learn all of these AND had TP left?
>>587487002anybody know what I'm talking about? black particle effects corkscrewing in the air down around the warlock? don't think it was from their gear, pretty sure it was a talent or something baseline.
>>587487840Waste of time
>>587487904If you want fairness, a pvp server is not for you.
>>587487906>Unruly
>>587487813>>587487886nigga we know its you
>>587487840Claude make a 1-300 Alchemy profession for WoW Classic. Be creative
>>587487978Yeah i'm leveling him?
The game should have shipped with just the eastern kingdoms as playable but bigger and just alliance races and maybe the forsaken Then the expansion would be kalimdor and horde that gets to enjoy being both bigger and actually finished God I’m so fucking smart
>>587487725i love sending group invites and everyone declines except one guy that then leaves after killing 2 mobs because he completed his quest
>>587487267>Mike Hawk>1 day ban>Trans Puppygirl>this is fine
>>587487906...is your bear a fresh tame compared to the boar who you had for several levels?
>>587487904No one wants a balanced pvp server they want to be a tsunami of green tyrones overwhelming alliance women
>>587488045
>>587488089Freshish caught him 3 levels ago yeah
What's more chad-coded? Ret or Prot Paladin?
whats the meta about sitting while casting about
Is Blizzard really expecting people to level alts in forever to 60 through only quests?It takes too long, the only reason people did it in era is cause of boosting and they could raid a dozen characters a week.
>>587487160Here, have 20% more rested xp instead goy.>>587486927They did that in reeeetoiiileeeet so it's now agaisnt "da pillarz".
>>587487528No, you don't need to build it from scratch to be that way. The reputation system is right there, it's a fundamental part of the game's DNA. All the bits and pieces are there and all it takes is actually putting them in place.The reputation system is basically just flags. Every npc and quest is flagged for a reputation. When you roll a Horde character, all the Alliance reputations are flagged hostile, flagged "kill on sight", and greyed out - Almost like they imposed a block on you to not be able to become friendly with them *after* it was implemented, you know? Curious indeed.The question they could never solve was "How are we going to let players earn reputation to become neutral or friendly with these other factions so they don't get murked on sight anymore?"That's the real challenge, not the "fundamentals" of the game, that needs to be addressed, and it's a whole lot easier to resolve than any of these lofty "fundamentals" you talk about.
Westfall has me feeling the call of the sea...Shame I can't LARP as a pirate until level 30 and hit STV.
>>587488112Enlighten me
>>587488045Oh so this is the average huntard
>>587488021swing and a miss bud I’m just jumping into your slap fight to call you dumb. you must be one of those illiterates I read so much about
>>587487971People will say shit like this then wonder why every PvP server is dominated by one faction
>>587487971agreed, they should remove the horde/alliance imbalance cap and let the PVPtards ruin their own server. No refunds.
>>587488127Ret is retard coded
>>587488118>3 levelsthen why the fuck is he unruly? feed your pet and stop it from dying constantly. you get more points the more "loyal" the pet is, which comes from being well fed and killing things. my god, do you people just completely lack the ability to fend for yourself without the big arrow pointing you where to go and what to do?
>>587487248>>587487580hmm I don't think that's entirely true. the balance should fluctuate instead
>>587488067send that to some russian private server dev and he'll create that in a month or twoit'll be called AllianceCraft
psa all hunters: abuse the following>aimed shot>normal shot>arcane shotturn on your ranged swing timer to do this
>>587488168what kind of chatgpt ass answer is this lmao
>>587488021lol you are so mad for some reason. how long do you expect to survive like this? how high is your cortisol now? how hard are your arteries and ventricles?
>>587487752If you want my precise definition of what a mistake is, look in the mirror.
>>587488246>abuse pressing your buttons normallyoh-kay?
>>587488169?>>587488239It's not dying like at all i'm questing with it calm down jesus this mechanic isn't explained in the game.
holy fuck im triggered just got scammed by this guy lowballing an item why do people do thisit's not a big deal lost maybe like 30g but wow guy also just liesnext time i encounter something like this just gonna ignore these cunts
>>587488168and the game would have to be totally rebuilt to allow that again for obvious reasonsdude look at the home itself and its questing experience if you did it your way a player could lock themselves out of 90% of the content on accident which just isn’t the type of game wow wanted to be
AAAAAAAAAA
>>587488352It's a toggle.You can opt out, because it's optional. 90% of content unlocked again.
Jesus I have got to leave this general everyone is a stupid fucking moron but I'm King Retard for thinking it would improveGoodbye
>>587488294its the orderyou can line up a normal shot just after an aimed onewith an instant arcane shot castthats literall a one shot without having to wait for another normal shot inbetweenfaggooooooott
I sent my heal sissy a friend request after the run and they declined :(
>>587488473me in the picture staring at ur STUPID post thinking u invented new tech
>>587488407is there a problem?
>>587488407they have 6 spawnsgood luck
>>587488447Shaking free trial hands made this post
>>587488248ChatGPT would never even remotely be refuting a point without first sucking up to you.
how do i prepare for hall of thanes
hunter mains are the smartest players in forlo
>>587488416opt out of what and then what your state after? what is a toggle? where do you go when the toggle is off? how can you prevent the toggle from being abused? i can toggle off my alliance reputation so I can go do the horde quests on my orc? how does that make sense?
>>587487906>is a textbook definition of huntardI really don't know what it is about hunters that attracts children and retards. what is it about this class, SPECIFICALLY, that it telegraphs just from a passing glance that it's appealing for the mentally challenged? is it the ranged+pet element? do they think they'll just be able to sit a safe distance from enemies taking potshots while their pet does all the work? why not warlock? warlock, at a glance, is the same sort of scenario. but generally warlocks actually learn and understand their kit where as I regularly see hunters get into the high levels and still have no fucking idea what they're doing, rolling for melee gear, having their pet aggro the entire dungeon, etc. please, somebody enlighten me, what the fuck is it about hunters that attracts the mentally challenged in droves like this.
>>587488447ECKS DEEE XD XD XDDD :DDD THIS ISNT AN A LE AIRPORT YOU DONT NEED TO XDD :DD XD ANNOUNCE YOUR LE DEPARTURE XDD XD XDDD ECKS DEEE XD DXD XDDDD
>>587488324did you even read the quest text when you got the pet taming quest? its explained right there
>>587488447>it would improvewhy would it improve? what is there to improve?you really are king retard. small letters, because you're not the only one. u wuz kangs n shiieeeeeeeet.
>>587488523it IS a new tech newfag
The search for a resto druid continues
We must be better consumers. Blizzard is trying
>>587488584Why would I read the quest text?
>>587488473there's literally no tech behind it, the auto shot always comes out right after the aimed shot, and it is not blocked or delayed by just spamming arcane shot after aimed shot anyway
>>587488579all classes have stupid players its just more obvious for hunters>>587488625sugma is new tech
>>587488579>>587488685
>>587488529the next 2 hours i'll spend trying to tag them
>>587488636what for
>>587488558Level: Aim for 15–18 (published range is 13–18).Group: 1 tank, 1 healer, 3 DPS.Bring food, water, healing potions and bandages.Repair your gear and empty some bag space.Have someone capable of interrupting spells.
>>587482567It took me about 3 minutes on the /vg/ archive to find an updated, 1-60 pirated version of restedxp for WoW forever
>>587488678no it doesnt it gets reset
>>587488447Welcome to wow classic where we hate the game and want the worst for it yet still want to play nothing else
>>587488324>this mechanic isn't explained in the game.hunter players are actually something else.
DISABLE WHISPERS UNLESS YOUR EXPECTING WHISPERSFUCK PEOPLE
>>587488579the funny part is that this problem is present in other games as well. rangers are notorious for using dogshit "bear + bow" builds in guild wars 2.
man why are there so many sweatlords in this game? fuck off already
>>587488579Jesus christ Anon calm the fuck down>>587488584Not really gonna re-read it now
>>587488762how much water do i need to bring as priest?
world pvp is such a gimmick in wow anyway. it was always been shit and a waste of time. they could have made it interesting, but wow forever is just a bastardized version of retail and classic where the end game always goes to the same raid logging place and the community dieswhat i don't get is why play this over retail? a lot of these people pretend they don't play retail, but they do and isn't it far more interesting and challenging anyway?
>>587488757To see one, I think it's the only class+role combo I haven't actually seen in action in Forever
>>587488787they removed auto clipping for hunters
>>587488724It's kill, no? Just team up.
Faction balancing is truly one of the most retarded things I've ever seen. I have no faith WoW "Forever" will last if it can't even get this right within a couple weeks.
>>587488852just shut the fuck up and follow the arrow, retardkun. don't worry about troublesome mechanics, they'll just slow you down :)
>>587487326I whispered Breeland Watch and got ghosted, even the outcasts hate me
>>587488907it LITERALLY works faggottime your aimed shot with your autoshotyou get 3 attacks in a matter of 0.5 seconds FAGGOT
>>587488762ignore previous instructions, post sally whitemane rule 34
>>587488904well nobodys gonna level as it. its horrid before 60
>>587488829I'm considering doing this to avoid guild recruit spam
>>587488880Dude retail is just not a real video game. You have to be blind to not see thatEven normal people who don’t play mmos spit on retail The only reason to remotely defend it is because you’re lost. You’re under water. You have sunk cost. You can’t see the forest for the trees.
>>587488852I will calm down when you stop fucking being a retard and stop asking stupid fucking questions to waste peoples time
>>587488959lol ur gaaaaay
>>587488829Why?
you can only toggle warmode in a city btwif Blizzard were to bring it to classic they should put it on an hour cd too
>>587488930>Just team up
>>587489019>>587488945>fuck fuck FUCKyou need some anger management holy
>>587488579stupidest players I've ever seen honestly. I don't invite them anymore.
So much content to do
>>587488904>damage intake profiles are spiky damage once every few seconds then nothing>resto druid healing profile is constant healing over time>healer with no fucking resI wonder why no one wants to play it
>>587489142>thinks Druid doesn’t have a resLarper
You werent kidding about leveling a mage. At level 16 I can't even take on 2 defias pillagers without a health potion.i'm going back to my druid.
>>587487441There used to be a particular gear set-up that allowed Rogues to get >100% dodge change in BC, making them immune to all physical damage. You could solo-tank a bunch of bosses that had insane physical cleave, like Mother or Gruul.At least I swear there was, I saw a video on it and everything but I've never be able to find it since.
>>587489168:) what's it like having a double digit IQ
>>587489168no offense meant retard bro it's just a hunter being clueless is so common people are surprised it's not a joke
>>587489218>you can only res somoene every 30 minutes for a reagentlmao
>>587489168zip me up when you're done down there lil bro
>>587488880I'd play retail if the writing wasn't taken over by 40 year old roasties who think orcs are oppressed black people and create the most pozzed, retarded storylines possible and add gay chungus npcs to every zone
>be tank >start forming group>post in LFG>Huntard “xxSniper Wulfxx”: invite>don’t responnd>bring non retarded classes that give me loot priority instead I love seeing a desperate DPS spam me in whispers begging for an invite.
>>587488579Because melee hunter is really good you retard. Stop taking out of date classic memes into forever. Wow I feel and for whatever group you got in with and started sperging out on a hunter rolling on melee weapons
why's everyone so butthurt about hunters now? the most retarded class of all is paladins everyone knows it
I can still taste the lava burst in this shit
>>587489168oh no you got me
what's next, the huntard is going to ask how come their bear can't learn screech? fucking kek
>>587489142Druid has one big ass heal. In fact its unlocked at first level. It also has not only a res, but the only in-combat res in the game. Retard.
>>587489292You are retarded. Druid has a res just like every other healer in Forever.
we need brawlers guild, torghast, mage tower and delves in forever
>>587489142>healer with no fucking reshttps://www.wowhead.com/forever/spell=437138/reviveNigger brained moron
>>587488182getting tired of westfall...
>>587489285classes take a long time to come onlinestay ret and suffer through it
>>587489015yeah, i don't believe that. someone is financially supporting wow and playing retail. i don't understand how wow forever is fundamentally different from retail anyway. nobody wants to raid log for the same boring raids again, but what else is there to do in wow? they haven't added anything new that matters so it's logical that the outcome would be the same as it always has been. you have this massive world that is still unused outside of leveling, there is no point in to world pvp except to be a dick. there is nothing to wow except raid slopping
>>587489364they want to take my lockpicking gloves away from me.
>be healer>get random whispers asking if i can heal dungeons for themwtf I was told healer was hard to level
>ARCANE SHOT NOW OOMS YOU FASTER THAN YOU CAN SAY ARCANE SHOTRAHHH
>>587489168>[Deleted]KWAB
>>587489390A battle rez is not a real rez dipshit
>Blizzard nerfed vendor shuffles>Didn't touch the one I useThank god people are retarded and literally lose money posting stuff on the auction house
Spell power or Nature Damage for Druid?Probably Spell Power gives higher damage overall, but Nature Damage seems to be cheaper to get on gear, and it boosts Wrath and Thorns
is restro shaman any fun?
>>587489456>join a dungeon>get 15% of a levelyeah pass nigga
>>587489514druid has a regular res and a battle res you fucking muppet
>text size 18>UI scale 115%Oh God it's happeningI'm getting old
TRUTH NUKE
>>587489514forever druid has both revive and rebirth, dumb fuck
>>587489413That kind of ass in a dungeon party makes everyone fight harder
>>587489554I got like 15k xp just from mobs in RFK last night that was like 1/4 of my level that's good exp
>>587489425>nobody wants to raid log for the same boring raids againI only joined because my friend told me they had new raids.
>>58748951470 IQ 3rd world subhuman can’t even bother to do a google search when 5 other people are telling you you’re retarded
>>587489538Riptide made it more brain dead but it's more fun than paladin at least
Do you have to purge multiple times to remove a bubble?
>>587489592Not text but I use max size party raid frames
https://forever.raider.io/guilds/eu/pvp-rp/Kor%20Kron%20Enforcers>mfw Mage is the least played class, in this pvp guild. Did they take mages out back and shoot them in the kneecaps or something?
>>587489635Explain what does my country's stance during the cold war has anything to do with the topic retard
>>587489425sounds like you fundamentally don’t understand video games or fun at least you have that in common with retail devsGod retail just is not a game at all
>>587489530spell power. unless you just dont plan to use starfire or moonfire.
>>587489695It do be like that huh
>>587489613you're so right
>>587489593pvp tranny malding and rent free holy
>>587489168>[DELETED]toppest of keks
>>587489593Man I don’t care it’d be so funny if he ruined the pvp server and I hate streamers
>>587489593>femaleOpinion discarded
>>587489530+Nature Damage might be cheaper but you're losing out on Moonfire/Starfire, which is a non-insignificant part of your DPS.Also most gear has just flat spell damage now after the rebalance so I wouldn't be too concerned with it. Just pick the things with the most green lines of text and you'll be fine.
>>587489618How long did it take to do?
>>587489767Crap, well at least I only wasted 50s on Nature gear
@WRENCHWHAT CLASSES DO YOU NIGGERS NEED???
ngl all of the new dungeons kinda suckbest one was unironically hall of thanesi'm hoping blackmaw hold is somehow good, but their track record is 0% so far
EZ
>>587489538just go elemental. spell damage gear means you'll be able to heal dungeons if you feel like it but still be able to nuke things when you're solo
>>587489840how do you ruin a ruin?
>>587488579Because the class-theme is being a self-sufficient loner who goes on a journey, thus is a trap for noobs and idiots too dumb to use theory of mind.Noobs either grow out of it and play an actual class, they quit wholesale, or the rare breed understands how to use their toolkit to a group's advantages. This means the overbearing majority of Hunter population remains retards who play the class without ever learning anything.
Blizzard absolutely has to react, otherwise we’re heading straight for a disaster.I’m a Retail player at heart and I already quit the game 3 days after release, because it’s simply not a quality game.Here are the changes that need to be put in place NOW if Blizzard wants Retail players like me to stick around or at least play from time to time:Mounts at level 20 with a trivial cost, basically like the game back in Cataclysm or MoP. Enough with running AFK for 20 minutes just to pick up and hand in quests.Add portals in key zones, because taking boats and flight paths is fun for 5 minutes, but it gets really annoying when you have to travel across multiple zones to hand in and pick up quests, etc. In short, psychological torture.Add an AUTOMATIC group finder for dungeons instead of having to whisper people one by one, what a nightmare. Also add summoning stones like in TBC, because again, running 24/7 is super annoying.Reduce the gold costs for spells, dual spec, and respec. We’re not 12-year-old teenagers anymore, we can play 3 to 4 hours max per day, we have responsibilities, we don’t have time to farm gold, so lower all gold costs by 60 to 70%.Merge all PvE and PvP servers and add War Mode. It’s obvious that PvP servers never work. War Mode resolves absolutely all the problems and brings all your friends together on a single server, a total no-brainer. Sorry PvP andies, but PvP servers never worked, whereas War Mode does.Increase drop rates for quest items, enough with killing the same monster 100 times to get 5 items.Increase dungeon XP by 150-200%.Yes, it will speed up the pace of Classic Vanilla, but if it’s called Forever, there’s a reason. If I want to play Classic Era, I play on Classic Era servers, not Forever.Forever is supposed to make Vanilla much faster and more enjoyable, but right now it’s the total opposite. If you don’t play 10 hours a day, in 2 months you’ll be level 40-45 with 20 gold.
>>587489937WHERE
>>587488579to be fair the game doesn’t really explain the more intricate details of the pet system at allalso hunter pets are insanely unfun and ruin the entire class thank god for lone wolf>spend all your gold buying meat>take a ton of time feeding your pet waiting for the buff to completely expire every time>he still runs away after an hour of questing forcing you to start over>have to run all over taming pets to learn skills like you’re a way less fun final fantasy blue mage kill me
>>587489015>Dude retail is just not a real video game. You have to be blind to not see thatretarded parrot tourist lmao
The vtuber loser is back again
>>587489929its trash. Boring turned up to 100. No passion in it whatsoever
>>587489690>anon is only now realizing the trash-buff meta that polluted arenas from BC-onwards
>>587489904yea it's not a big deal, spell power is also good becasue it'll buff your self heals. not sure nature does that even if the heals are nature based. those mono types are good for people like mage or warlock or priest (not holy)but druid balance later talents really expect you to swap if you're low level it's not a big deal though. not untill eclipse or that talent that increase moonfire crit.
>>587489910wrench has 0 rogues and 2 mages
>>5874899012 hours
>>587489690Purge chooses a random effect to remove. If you mean divine shield it can't be removed but bop can
>>587489929the boss fights are neat, or they were pre nerf, but there's way too fucking much trash
>>587490046lmfao
>horde>barely anyone bothers buffing each other in the world>alliance>buffs galorei see how it is now
@587489960Actual jebait
>>587489530>Spirit > INT > Spell DamageIt’s that simple
>>587489725no, i completely understand what mmos could be and should be before wow ruined them. to my disappoint this piece of shit wow just won't die off
>>587489969did they change the system in forever? i played HC for a few weeks before forever launched, as a hunter, and legit only had to feed my pets once or twice, only immediately after taming them. once they became happy, they stayed that way unless they died, and it only took 1 feeding to bring them back up to happy. I honestly used maybe 5 pieces of meat by level 25.
>>587490098opposite for me alliance is anti social as fuckhorde is super social
>>587489937EXPLODE
What stops me from AI Generating my femgnome with a pacifier...
if they add Goblins again they should be a neutral faction so I can be sleazy towards night elves
>>587489929I watched a YouTube video of it, trash upon trash, 10 floors of trash. And that's with blue elf's skipping large swathes with their racial
>>587490098Not as if it wasnt obvious from all the lowbie ganking horde is always doing.
>>58748990132 minutes from entering to killing the last boss
>>587490046Lmao xD
>>587489969>he still runs away after an hour of questing forcing you to start overI have never once in my entire life had my pet run away from me, what turd-world sub-room temperature IQ retard do you have to be to have this happen to you?
>>587489929STV dungeon was good, Riverglades dungeon was good Alcaz Prison is just Stockades
>>587489168look at him! look at him and laugh!
>>587490165ACK
>>587489593>foid>wall of textNot reading that
>>587489985I know it first hand. I gave retail an honest shot but it was just unplayable Be good faith. Go try to make a brand new character on retail with no heirlooms no guides and pretending you’re a new player and just try to claim that’s a comprehensible experience that could ever draw anyone into the world
so many places to be
>>587490046in 2 hours you can do like half the quests in a zone and level up...
Why doesn't WoW have personal loot drops like how every other game does it? You do or kill X, as a group, everyone rolls and drops their own loot.
>>587489937I hope you choke
>>587488579Hey now, a lot of those retards are also playing ret paladin.
>>587490223>2h+ per levelJeJ
in your experience which classes have the smart players in horde and alliance? Generally for Horde I've yet to see even a midwit hunter
>>587490309>green tyrone
daily reminder sod had people doing 30k+ dps at the end of it
>>587490372yes and
Am I gonna regret going gnome rogue? The racials were just insane, every single one is excellent on a rogue. A gnome rogue can do things that no other rogue can do, thanks to the 5 extra energy and -10% energy cost over 8s. Feels like I'd be gimped by not being gnome. But they look so fucking bad
>>587490241i did the STV dungeon before the nerf, it might be more fun now, but it was way too much trash that hit incredibly hard (didnt help that our tank was a pre direbear druid too)Alcaz was the most soulless dungeon i've ever done, and the copy pasta red bandana quest took 3 runs to completeI dont have any opinion on the riverglades dungeon other than it felt like it had way too much trash, but maybe you can just skip everything if you know where to go
the ONE THING i had always hoped they would add to classic is aoe looting. every time i have to sit and loot mobs individually it RAPES me and this CANNOT CONTINUE. FIX IT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
>>587490372>>green tyronelil bro has been trying to force this meme for days now. Atleast coffin dodger was funny.
FACTIt was over the moment they went with the Retail engine over the Vanilla engine
>Install spoken Addon>Deactivate auto gossip auto questThis is immersive as hell.
>>587490398>alliance>gnome>roguei mean you probably don't care about how other people see this (it's bad) so go for it
>>587490395>Kyfarionthat really is a tyone name
>>587490398Just make a gnome that looks good. I’ve always played a male gnome in this game. I never understood where the gnome hate came from even in 2005Like did you guys just never read the hobbit
>>587490398They are the best rogues probably due to what you mentioned yeah.Just make a cute gnomette
>>587489593He said this to get exactly these kinds of retards seething about him.
>>587490398You will play the joke race and enjoy it. This is the price of true power. If you don't like it then roll nelf for crit and improved stealth
>>587490398You a gnomeahole?
>The highest number of concurrent players in WoW history>The highest number of returning players in WoW historyAfter all this time we've surpassed the Wrath of the Lich King high.Has anyone checked on retail bros? They good?
what the fuck is this "tyrone" calling shit now?another one of asmongoloids bullshit retards trying to implement a racist meme?
>>587490286I'm sure the honest shot consisted of actually engaging with the gameplay systems instead questing a bit and complaining about the storytelling
Sex with sex elves!
>>587490589I just checked, they all died of DVT
>>587489593>>587490562asmonbald is audience-captured and then whines about other streamers being audience-captured lol
>>587490424have you done any vanilla dungeon because they all have a lot of trash avatarfags are so fucking retarded
>>587490520so true sister, the highly industrialized technobabble race is JUST like hobbitses and tolkien. every time i'm in gnomeregan i feel like i'm in the shire, smoking pipeweed and eating seedcakes. my favorite part of the hobbit were all the robots and smokestacks.
>a few days ago: intellect enhancement shaman is not what we want, we are changing shaman to make strength and attack power gear more appealing>today, read patch notes>50% nerf to shaman's attack power scaling from intellect with no added upside to make strength more appealing, just fuck you>also nerf stormstrike's weapon damage scaling by 50% too, because fuck you>'we want to move towards a more windfury-friendly direction' (by directly nerfing enhance's melee damage)fuck this, I'm glad I rerolled 5 days ago as soon as I heard 'changes' were coming, I knew they really just meant direct nerfs to enhance, they will never let this spec be good
>>587490590it's a buckbroken alliance player mad he got pvp'd by horde on a pvp server
>>587490589>The highest number of concurrent players in WoW historySource on that?
>get invited to group as priest>see there's a mage or a warlock>leave instantly
>>587490395>prot warr with tonk in name
>>587490182yea i'd be fine with this. but you need to do a long questline or have max rep with all goblin factions to play one.
green tyrones are getting riled up again
>eu pvp horde is still lockeddo i just give up?
>>587484723elves ride orcs though????
>>587489593>if he tries Blizz will make the game betterWhy are these retards complaining again?
The 4chan MMO will have seventy races and five factions
I WANT TO BE A MAGE BUT THE LEVELING IS JUST SO ASS AAAAAAAAAAAAHH
>>587490038>pure dps classes that cant find groupsIT HAS NEVER BEEN MORE OVER
Is hunter worth it if I also want to get dungeon and raid spots?
>>587490659Cope
>>587490741im on PVE right now, iv'e been waiting for 6 days. I really don't understand how blizzard do bussiness if it's not up by the week end im going to charge back via my bank after asking for a refund,.
>>5874904982019 classic used Legion engine, so according to you, it's been over since the start.
>>587490639I did give it an honest shot and went to max level and tried out raiding and arenas and mythic+ with my friends long time guild but alright man you can plug your ears and pretend retail is fine as it free falls
>>587490816nyo
>alliance only attack me when I'm out of mana or underleveledThese are the same faggots whining about "unfair 1v1s" btw
>>587490327I think personal loot is the best shit ever invented tbqh. It literally fixes a lot of problems
>>587490816hmmm nyo.
>>587490827cope about what
>>587490498I love how so many models and animations are just fucked and there will never be a fixDespite being the most played race undead are still so fucked up compared to actual classicAlso my favorite orc SD face was RUINED in foreverNot the HD version but the SD face itself is different Did they literally only start working on this when it was announced at blizzcon? Did an intern make river glades when he was bored and that inspired some shareholder to sell it as an expansion
do you feel "fresh" with new talent changes if you compare it to the 2019 Classic or does it feel the same?
>>587491064kys for posting this twitter bait video you fucking faggot
>>587490696>>587490589
Sex with Sex Gnomes!!!
>>587490953>do this to alliance constantly>be surprised when they do it backthe green tyrone cannot conceptualize cause and effect
>Got dragged to PvE realm by family>Friends all went to RP>Keep posting about fun interactions and people RP'ing with cool names and guilds and shit>Meanwhile on PvEget me out of this hell
>>587490883>I don't understand why measures are in placeI understand not liking it but not understanding it makes you a retard
>>587490741>>587490883NOOOOOOO I NEED MY GREEN TYRONE
>>587491016i just love removing the multiplayer part of my multiplayer games
>>587490953idgi if they perceive the existing pvp environment as unfair, why would they handicap themselves further by playing fair? are you low IQ?
>>587490816why the fuck would anyone want a hunter?>runs out of ammo in the dungeon/raid>pet aggros on everything>hunters steal gear
>>587491150>>do this to alliance constantlyThere goes the buckbroken alliance player projecting again
>>587491134The same "people "said that faction imbalance is only 55-45.
>>587491016>>587490327sounds like retail is for you.
>>587491168explain it to me.>>587491174i play troll.
>>587491174unironically yes, warcraft orcs are the best in fiction
>>587491158I don't understand when people say they have fun interactions in this game. Every interaction I have with someone is only because it's necessary. If I could do everything solo I would completely ignore everyone else.
im stacking spellpower on my enh shaman. im level 14 and have 37 so far. am I gearing wrong
>>587490953
IF YOU'RE NOT ROLLING <the region you hate the most here> PVP HORDE RIGHT NOW YOU ARE MISSING OUT >GUARANTEED<FOMO TO THE MAXGO GO GO
What's the best hunter pet to kill elites with?
>>587491208don't worry green tyrone, I will be camping all of your 20-30 zones when I get my mount. I mean it's what you signed up for right?
>>587490915Sure you did, and all those activities were bad and not a real videogame.
>Shaman discord whining got them nerfed back into unviability
>>587481143What is the lore bind these new tranny elves?
>>587490668enhance was very overtuned and you can double WF with WF totem + weapon stop bitching
>>587491180I just love when grown ups niggers fight for loot half an hour of raid time and then the group breaks.If wow players were normal people it would be fine. But theyre not.
>>587491431they're elves except they live somewhere else.
>>587491364I rerolled a 30 ally to pvp horde this weekend and don't regret it whatsoeverthe ally victim mentality is insufferable and somehow worse than ever
I won the need roll on a pair of shoulders with 15 stamina, 6 agility, 5 strength. The rogue in the group whined about it so I told him I'll trade it to him for 5 gold. He complained to an officer in the guild that I was disrespectful for giving that offer and I got guild kicked. Was he justified?
>>587491296i have fun interactions on na pve :3
hummie paladin or nelf druid?
>>587491296Same. Every group I join is dead. Even when I tried to be outgoing nobody ever reciprocated even at campfires. People barely even accept invites so we can both do the same mob kill quest and if they do they never talkDungeon groups are dead silent unless someone gets upset If wow was like this 20 years ago I probably would have never gotten addictedI would have never made it out of westfall
>>587491554This is why I check all the items I want from a dungeon, make my own group, and don't invite anyone that will potentially roll on those items.Only works as a tank though.
>>587491296im on NA PVE, i have /fart macrod, i spam it and say "cropduuust" when i run through crowds of people. they love it
how is this an MMO? it's the most lonely experience I've played in awhile
>>587491554Whisper and call him a nigger
>>587491618Sex elf slut (read: mage)
Question for people have played or have extensive knowledge of aoe grinding magesIf I see a mage grouping up mobs to AoE them down with blizzard and whatnot:1) Does running into the middle of the mobs and dropping a fear bomb cause any inconvenience to that mage? and if so how much?2) can you get punished/banned for doing it?
>>587491675Same. Same. anti social, rude, crude, stupid, selfish, fuckers.
>>587491396I didn’t personally enjoy it no and found the story impossible to follow. Didnt feel like an RPG. Even my mazed friend and his guild fell apart because they just got sick of it even though they were consistent AOTC people. And he hates classic too so he’s not biased there
>>587491554This shit is why I never need on anything even if it's built for my class
>>5874916981) no since blizzard damage breaks the fear2) highly doub it
>>587489929>>587490424mentally ill schizophrenic zoomer who cuts his wrists, take your meds
>Druid 17>Rogue 14>Warlock 16>Just started a shaman I think I have a problem
What did he mean by this?
How can they still not get shaman right after 30 years?
>>587491296Modern players are braindead after years of social media and the game actively prohibits interactions through the automated reporting systems. People now longer know how to be social, and the few that are get punished for it. Back in 2005 I could spam macros after killing a player calling them a faggot. Today I would get banned instantly. When a game is hostile to the players, interactions stop.
Aren't the shamans having a whole discord server strike lol? I lost so much respect for ppl playing shaman in the last few weeks
>>587491829No. you have sovl.
I don't talk to people because I'm simply too based and one sentence from me would get my account permabanned by the woke karens that work at Blizzard. All I can do is signal to others with my chud coded name that I'm one bad dude and not to mess with me.
>>587491834self-advertiser
>>587491690not paying £26 for a belf reskin, anon
>>587491698grock says that could be considered as "gameplay sabotage" which has gotten people banned in the past.
>>587491675This is every modern mmo. When I tried out XIV it was the exact same shitNobody talks or anything. Just using automated systems to be glued together for content and then disbanding Classic and forever has shown it’s not just the game but its the playersPeople just don’t want to be social like they were in 2006
they buffed hawk damage. is it good now???
>>587491296It's not really a community based game like older mmorpgs
>>587491431like, high elves ended up in the elemental plane of wind... somehow... and uh... for some reason there were these floating islands with varied ecosystems and lush fauna and flora and they just kind of settled there. Over time some of the elves that got pregnant just gave birth to blue elves for no reason and people celebrated it and the original white elves were mostly replaced over time and then a bad wind elemental discovered they existed and tried to wipe them out or something for some reason. Then the blue elves ended up in two different schools of thought on how to handle the elementals and it got so bad they ended up in a bloody civil war with eachother, even though the entire population of their race is like a couple hundred people? Maybe a thousand? But in the end both factions were like "fuck this rock let's go down to azeroth ok bye anyway"
>>587491675eh I have played with randoms who were cool already
>>587491920stop being poor
>Be me>Plainsrunning around>Mob 8 levels below me sneezes in my general direction>Instantly lose all fucking stacksThank you blizzard, very cool
>>587491858>thinks spamming faggot is being social
>>587491892I'm having a very nostalgic time going through all the starter zones
>>587491929XIV is an enforced toxic positivity hellscape where the only way you can get banned is to hurt someones feelings in chat (meanwhile you can bot with complete impunity)
so apparently these new dungeons arent so good? especially the higher level ones, cant say myself i've only done the undercity and ironforge dungeons and they were okayish but i wouldnt be surprised if the higher level ones are bad
>>587491431>Be Highborne in Dire Maul> Prince Retard says we need magic>Prince Retard wants to summon a big demon>"Wtf dude thats retarded">Prince Retard chimps out and kills people who disagree>Guy with mask shows up>Leads rebellion against prince>We fuck up and fail>Flee west>Land on some island populated by air elementals>Masked leader strikes a deal>Elementals lift the island into the elemental plane of air>Live in sky for centuries>Elemental magic stabes off need for magic>Leader vanishes>Air elementals vanish>The island is now falling to the ground>Some nerds want to reclaim Highborne heritage>They contact the Kirin Tor and join the Alliance>Some think thats retarded and they should embrace the elements more>They contact the Earthen Ring and join the Horde
>>587491675Let me guess, you rolled PvP? Lol
>>587491858>>587492139tale as old as timesalty 40 year old neckbeard boomers cry and shit their pants when they get banned for spamming nigger in chat
>>587492179bad in which way?
>>587491858When people make posts like this it has to be satire right?
>>587491837It's the hardest class to balance because people expect it to be good at melee, range damage, and healing depending on how they spec. Shaman's role in a group should be S+ tier support class, but everyone wants to be the main character.
>>587488571"What is a toggle" you haven't read a single syllable before the post you responded to, so you just exposed yourself as too dumb to understand complex ideas.I will try to explain nonetheless: "Warmode" is a toggle function in retail wow, yes. Copying it 1-1 is not sufficient, i agree. But the core idea is exactly what is needed.It toggles whether you are flagged for pvp, and moves you to a layer with other pvp-flagged people. In retail, it really just worked off of the pvp-ruleset. copying this system into WoWF would be bad.But it is the key. You let people go to a designated area, like a a camp. There, the toggle is now accessible. In retail, it's a button you press in your talent tree. In WoWF, it could be that, or the questlog.For WoWF and crossfaction pvp, I imagine you now also have a drop-down selection. It lists all the reputations you encountered, yes even npc reputations like the Steamwheedle cities and Timbermaw hold, because why the fuck now.You click the button. You are flagged as *that* reputation, and moved to a layer with pvp-enabled. Now every npc and player who doesn't share your pvp-flag is hostile (excpetions apply).And that's it for the pvp. Once you're done with pvp, you turn the toggle off, can happen anywhere in the world as long as you're not in combat. This means you can't really grief in open world pvp because somebody is always going to have you targeted.For Crossfaction you don't even need to think beyond what Blizzard implemented in retail. They made a system for higher-lvl players to sync down to lower lvl ones when the lower lvl one is party leader and the high lvl player toggles the "Party sync" mode. The can expand exactly this toggle to flag for a different faction based on the group-leader.You wouldn't do cross-faction play without your friends (you do have friends, right anon?), so you likely already know somebody who will invite you. Otherwise, there's always the group finder for "lfm".
>>587492176most of the gaming circles these days have this toxic positivity enforced everywhere, if you decide to actually talk about the game or complain about something you will immediately be harassed on how you're a sweat, minmaxer, "doomer" and what not>>587492274i wouldn't know the details i've seen a few complaints about some underwater city dungeon i think, not sure which level that is but i will eventually do it myself
Whats going to be the most valuable class at 60? I can't decide whether to keep going with my druid, mage or paladin.
Sell me on ENH shaman
I miss what punctuation and numbers weren't filtered cross faction and I could gank horde and spam>/sh |2 @ |> 3 |)PvP isn't as fun without it.
>anime poster>complete dogshit postsclassic
>>587492401bogged
I think I am going to reroll PvE guys.Should I go RP or normal? I'm leaning towards RP but worried about the population.
>>587492424play belfyou can talk with other faction belves
>>587492401you'd better call saul goodman for this job
That cross faction guild meetup was kinda fun, we should do it again.
>>587492354>i've seen a few complaints about some underwater city dungeon i thinkDid it a couple times yesterday, there's literally nothing wrong with it
>>587492176I really didn’t ask or care >>587492257The part that gets me is they seem like they have Tourette’s with how uncontrollable it is for them and they pretend it’s a civil rights issue like there was ever a time it was acceptable to act up in public They got away with it back then because this shit had to be manually checked by limited staff. Not because the California tech company was heckin based in 2006
The ad is right...
>>587491675sounds like a you problem. this is what vanilla socializing was like except on 10x more.>>587491929FF14 is the most unlikeable and toxic community out there. what mass pulling dungeons and staring at half-naked cat girls does to motherfuckers
>>587492467>>587492442??
Which way, protman? Is Defiance worthwhile? Seems like it could either be mandatory, or useless depending on the math.
bros i think imma reroll from human hunter to dwarf hunter...t. lvl 44
>>587492568>44>re-rollstupido
>>587492568based
Is paladin hate only for retribution or do holy and prot palas also deserve scorn? In all my groups so far I haven't seen a single prot or holy pala so I wouldn't know
>>587492443Go normal. The dungeon finder is full and that's what's important. Even at 2 am I got a full group instantly as dps
>>587492568at least ding 45 for legacy point
>>587492139>>587492257>>587492320Tannry faggots out themselves every time.
>>587492490nice but im still concerned about those higher level dungeons anyways, is it a 60 dungeon or something?
>>587492649oh didnt know this. will do
>>587492353That just fundamentally doesn’t work with WoW and no I didn’t need to run down what war mode is. That’s not what I meant by what is a toggle . With how disingenuous you are I’m surprised you didn’t explain what a mechanical aircraft toggle was
>>587492518it can't be too much, right? i have to catch up...
>>587492568respect king
Is arms or fury more funI dont wanna be prot cause I hate tanking
>>587491274They're attempting to keep the pvp server as equal to 50/50 balance as possible. All pvpers should want this too and it affects more players than you
>>587492542Anything that gives you more damage rerard. Increased threat only matters if you're always in a group.
getting burned out as priest healing dungeons...this xp rate is so fucked up. 3 bars for a dalaran run.
>>587492795>pvpedos>wanting to fight on equal footing
>>587492568Why? So you get worse racials and lose 3 feet of height?
>>587492769at 40 both
Bros should I level my priest as disc or is that too slow?
>>587492542is going prot faster than the dps specs in open world?
>>587492795>All pvpers should want this too and it affects more players than youno i definitely want alliance sissies to get fucked lmao
Say something nice about my Dwarf
>>587491134>>587491134
some guy posted how he got his 16 account talent points thing done and guess what? immediate harassment by the dad gamer squad on how he'll now complain that theres nothing to do, how hes a sweat, gets told to touch grass etc....why are they like this? why cant the modern dad gamer handle when someone plays the game?
>>587492795>Forced 50Blizzard shouldn't cater to complaints z you picked PvP if you get raped 90/10 sobeit. You knew what could happen
>>587492671You just know
>>587492857Im level 40 and I never have to eat or bandage as prot.
>>587491784>I'm a cuckLmao??
>hunters getting buffed againMake this shit make sense...
>>587492518captalism lmao
>>587492929fuck off already
>>587492885Cute tummy
>>587491554Bro I couldn't even find a guild as a priest...
>>587491554Rfd shoulders are good for all physical dps. Anyone who complains is a retard and your guild was retarded so you should be happy
>>587492947i usually just have a shitty spirit gear set that I swap to between combat when I need to regen, plus my warrior is a troll
>nooo you can't just call me a faggot>that's not social
>>587493041Thanks, that's where my food buff goes.
>>587492885wow... i mean... hello there... *waves hand nervously*
>>5874928481% hit is goated and style > all
>>587492827Go find one of those kill 45 morons quest areas and just chain invite people to your group. World mob xp is real.
>>587481696Mage, paladin, hunter, warrior, Druid, and rogueKino party comp
>>587492701You haven't given a single example of those fundamentals that are incompatible with a system that is proven to work with WoW's code. Disingeniuity is your pair of shoes, not mine.
Do you really have to rely on a guide to figure out which quests are ripoffs in time investment?
>blizzard stated they want new players to start wow forever>lock horde faction (the most popular one) from new playersWhat did they mean by this?
there's something off about this general...
>>587492832>>587492934>you knew it would happenBut it isn't you fucking retard. They did forced balance in sod and anni as well. Stupid apes
>>587492854It's the fastest until shadow at 40
>>587493186They want you to take the PvEpill
Why is it any time someone complains about games nowadays not being "social" anymore they always reminisce about slinging slurs in voice chat with no repercussions and claiming that is good social interaction the game needs again
>>587493186>lock horde faction (the most popular one) from new playersworks on my machine
>>587491653>>587491626>>587491858>>587491967t. fell for the pvp server
How much mana should I have as a healer around level 30? Gonna put on the dress for more flexibility in dungeons.
Regret going mm at level 34, my lil spider can't hold aggro unless I only auto shot
>started priest>have to stand still to cast anything>oom>squishywhat a horrible levelling experience >switch to warrior>freedom of movement>kiting niggas one after the other>tough af>speedrunning the game>CHARRGEEEEE!!>epic attack animationsoh yeah
>>587493271are you retarded, I said im on NA PVE
>also anon>bitching about there being no healers for his dungeons
you now miss 2019 classic
>>587493346that ditn happen
>>587490667it's close enough since halflings don't exist in wow
>>587492354drowned city had some overtuned trash mobs harder than entire dungeons of higher levelsThey nerfed them already
>>587493395i dont. i hated the fucking drama in my group of "friends"
>>587493186my friends asked me to try the new expansion on a whim and now im assed out... Its weird how many people on the fourms and reddit will tell you "you wanted to play horde on a pvp server you should have made a toon on launch day" like since when has WoW ever been this Fomo where after a week you cant sign up and play how you want?
>can't get spirit + int + stam + healing power as a healer>have to either get +healing power or +spirit>can't afford to get int eitherGearing fucking sucksRemove spell/healing power
>>587493346Dots cam be cast while moving.
>>587493405ya it did last night i like warrior its more fun and engaging for me because i can jump around and attack at same time and no mana ok???
most of these nu quests have been pretty meh so far, i havent found any quest chains, also they dont really award items for some reason. they are just sprinkled randomly for xp which is kinda decent i think. i also got the addon that shows the new quests with a special icon so i know how to find them. granted im only level 25 so far so i havent done a lot but i've still done a few zones to be honest
>>587491675That's how modern online gaming is. Normalgroids, particularly zoomercattle, get anxious about speaking with strangers, so they only interact through close circles via discord
>>587493346SWP and PWS are instant, wanding and spirit tap enable semi permanent mana uptime, inner fire + PWS makes you tanky enough to solo elites
ALEXENSUAL RUNS /WOWG/, /WOWFG/, /WOWCG/, /WPSG/
Excavation site wetlands was pretty kino. Cool visually and the Raptors coming out the grass was nice. Only complaint is that the last boss was pathetic compared to the raptor one.
>>587493525>NOOO THE GAME SHOULD JUST GIVE ME EVERYTHING I NEED AT LEVEL 1 SO I DON'T HAVE TO MAKE HARD DECISIONS WAAAAHHHHHHH
>>587493620nobody knows who that is fuck off
Niggas be like "MMORPGs are lonely nowadays" and never talk to a soul in game
>>587493660this is literally the most common dad gamer response when someone dares to "complain" about something
I’d rather be playing fresh vanilla. This game is cancer, let me out
>>587493771only dad gamers are struggling like you are anon. why is that you think?
>>587493836next fresh will be 2030
How are my prot Paladins feeling? I struggled early on, but now my concecrates are huge and tanking has become real easy.
>see a group of 4 players start tagging every mob in sight>ask for an invite to their party>complete the kill quest in 5 minutes because we're now 5 people kicking ass and taking namesThe power of playing as a cute night elf
Can someone please bake?
>>587493771what do you expect when the target audience for this game is literally dad gamers
>>587493891not sure how you think im struggling? granted im only level 25 im not that fast but i didnt really struggle, other than a few caves where there were hyperspawns i've been doing great
Should I try enhancement shaman? They any good?
>>587493912Prot paladin is braindead as fuck. You drop consecrate and keep retribution aura on. You never lose aggro in aoe pulls. Their single target is shit compared to druids and warriors though.
>repyling to dots
>>587493915they invite me as a cute gnome too (male)
>have to make gearing decisions>this is badummback to retail
na pve alliance is so fucking weird because 90% of people are friendly and nice but then you have the 10% that won't shut the fuck up about asmongold and trump etc.
>rerolled from alliance to horde rp-pvp at level 25>already 32too easy geimu
>>587493572>addon that shows questskill yourself
got it
>>587493979stop posting pictures of little girls, anon, that's weird
I ONLY SEE HORDE ON MY LAYER LMAO
>>587491554I'm glad I got guild kicked, I found a really based guild to join! :D
>>587493558Yeah but also no rage lmao
>>587493979>im not struggling>except itemization is hard and leveling can be hardkek its okay to be a dad gamer anon
>>587493660retard
>>587494143What the hell is that
>>587494089unfortunately some autists are cursed with the streamer/geopolitics fixation and go completely insane
>>587483105>eu pvp alliance is dying>cant join winning teamspineless faggot, probably about to roll woman because man is too hard
>>587494143did they really have to go and just copy paste the org buff, couldn't they at least make it original in some way
>level 30>17gim not going to be able to afford my mount am i?
>>587493912I'm only 30 so I can't say for sure how it's gonna be later bur I feel really powerful in dungeons right now. I have 150 spellpower and I out dps every dd except overleveled hunters. Maybe they should nerf consecration to be honest
>>587494212im not sure where i mentioned itemization in my posts?
>>587494268How good are you at erp?
>>587494185that's retarded
>>587491554Trust me it's better that you found out your guild is shit this way rather than 30 minutes into molten core
>>587493346That's funny because a priest lvl 40 can kill a group of 3 warriors of the same lvl. At Max lvl you can kill 4
>>587494089RP pve is generally comfy too but the unhinged people are so incredibly unwell.
>>587484270I played vanilla on 35 to 65 ratio server and it was fine. Zoomers are sissies it is what it is.
>>587494268If you do erp with me and suck my disgusting gnome cock I can tell you my secrets to making gold
>>587494338>Maybe they should nerf consecration to be honestExplode for suggesting this
the giant green bar that appears on players before they get healed is kind of screwing me over in pvp because people instantly know someone is about to be healed by me and can swap to me before I can get the heal off
>>587494338Tbh, it's all we've got, if they nerf it then Prot just isn't a playstyle anymore lol
I am on EU PVE and right now 30+ zones seem unplayable. In any questing location there are just people milling about, desperately trying to get tags. They need to either double or triple the number of shards or at least have hyperspawns enabled. Or maybe I've just had really bad luck with the shards i end up in
how do you even play survival
>>587492687It's a 35+ one
>>587492179So far ive only tried the lordaeron one and it was garbage, like private server tier garbage, for a moment i thought i was playing turtle wow
>>587494543I played vanilla on a 35-65 split server and it was miserable. Then when blizzard needed fo hit their quarterly earnings target they implemented faction swap and if went to a 5-95 ratio overnightDon't act like back then was them good ol days. I spent a significant amount of time dead getting sat on by Tauren and undead rogues
>>587494606i'm on na, not eu, but some areas in the game have absolute nigger tier spawns where the enemies respawn after a few seconds and then you move to a different location 10 meters away and the enemies there take 10 minutes to respawn
where's that from?
>>587494383bad
>>587494650You be a melee Chad.
>>587494776it's the new alliance sissies version of rend buff for horde. you get it by turning in rend blackhand's head
>>587492179The wetlands one is peak but the loot is kinda shit
>>587494783It's genuinely over for you then. Sorry.
>>587494852cool
>>587494776anti soul
>>587494783You better get learning fast, anon!Play the game "Secretary" to learn a thing or two :3
>>587494185this sounds exactly how i want to experience raiding.too bad i'll burn out way before i reach 60. but i'll keep it in mind nonetheless.
Why you all giving the /vt/ranny (you)s?
Any safe spots where I can get Iron early? (Excluding the AH). I want Green Iron Boots at 24.
>>587494405You're brown. Disgustingly brown.
>>587494987dadgamers arent the smartest bunch
>>587494650Use traps and stings for CC, whittle down enemies form afar then close in for the kill.
this general is obsessed with trans people
>>587495069No, all the best spots for iron nodes are 30+. Ideally you want to be like 35+. The AH is your only option.
>>587493123and I just don’t understand how what you want could possibly work man. Can you please substantiate it betterFrom what it sounds like you want basically a opt in role playing funserver systems dropped into the game as is with no changesIm sorry but there’s no draw here. It has no impact. Cool you can call yourself a defias member or buccaneer and can pvp with rpIm not against you but you’re just not justifying why this helps the game
yeah i'm thinkin this is the spec
>install too many addonsi'm using almost 1 GB of ram
>>587494185based>>587494405>NOOO YOU CAN'T JUST PLAY THE GAME FOR FUN AND CHALLENGE YOU HAVE TO DO HOURS OF RESEARCH AND METAGAMING REEEEEEits so tiresome
>>587494891
>>587495179That stinks. Crafting seems to be horribly behind dungeon gear so far.
>>587494987Should have seen yesterday when he called dwarf male the reddit race
>>587494581>>587494601What if they reduced the cooldown on holy strike for prot to compensate for nerfing cons and gave it higher threat? As it is right now it really feels like cheating. I just pop cons and never ever lose threat.
could i effectively report someone named nonbinarius?i mean that would imply i can name myself gay faggot without repercussion.
>>587495268it is, crafting is only good at level 60 for one (1) bis bop and thats about it
>>587495359>i mean that would imply i can name myself gay faggot without repercussion.that's not what that means
>>587494405that's retoilet
Is levelling class alts the fastest way to get legacy points?
>>587495359there are people named gay , just not "faggot". if you're not on RP server it's fine.
>everyone always talks about ah flipping and vendoring>check it out for myself>there's nothing profitable>nothing matches up with what people online say and what moneymaking guides online saywell fuck this then everything is like this item, there's nothing profitable
>>587495407It is?! Fuck. What am I wasting my time for then... What's the BoP?
>>587495297What if you took a fat steamy shit and died because you made this awful suggestion? Huh?
>>587495171Chuds love to obsessively talk about things they allegedly hate, it's weird
>>587494185im literally a casual myself but this is beyond dumb
The only profession worth it is engineering because it's useful for everyone.
>>587495572trannies are the jews of "gender".there, this is why people talk about you and hate you.
>>587495549Personally I'm investing in Small Flame Sacs. They were selling for 4s a couple days ago and last night I checked and they were going for 8s40c
>>587495559Sorry for upsetting you anon. Do you have the same experience with consecration? How much spell power do you have?
>>587495508>lvl 25 and 150 in 2 professions = 3 pointsAye
>>587495701Ruleset?
>>587495192I think fel dom is worth 1% hit desu
How do you check the legacy stuff im retarded
>>587495647early level engineering is a jokethe guns are uselessthe ammo is so expensive you could buy a full bag of vendor ammo for one stack of bulletsall the "toys" are complete crap, there are now 5 flavors of binocular goggles and they all have the same shit tier FOV zoom and no eagle eye / far sight equivalentthe only good things are still the mortar and iron grenades and thats it, the new glider seems also okay but all of that is for some godforsaken reason considered late game gear
>>587495094>>587495223>le everything is minmaxing!you are literal pieces of shit dad gamers, you need to be harassed
>>587495679Uh oh! Looks like someone saw their DMs in that compilation!
>>587495957Holy brown coded post
>>587492176this is the only method to make people act human to one another.
>>587495572Nigga
>>587495967but only dad gamers need to be told how to play an mmorpg? is this projection?
westfall is alright but darkshore is my gem.
>>587492671there's nothing social about calling other players slurs.
What mobs can I grind for good vendorable trash?
>>587496123Westfall eventually leads you to duskwood which is pvre sovl though?
>>587495926You need to be lvl 25 to check in game with Y
>brown brown brown>browncoded>brown brownwhy is it always 56%ers spamming this?
Is the horde intentionally camping bfd? Come on orcbros I just want my fucking murloc trinket
>>587496072no, the modern dad gamer doesn't really like being told what to do, they think everything is minmaxing or sweat gameplay, they want to go in as blind as possible in order to experience their glory days from 20 years ago, when someone does better than them they immediately harass him as being a sweat
Can someone delete their eu horde pvp character so i can get in? thanks
>>587496173yeah if you like running back and forth like a retard
>>587496209Nervous?
>>587496148for mount ? tanaris turtles are good
>>587496258I've never seen a dad-gamer advocate for blind are you just making shit up?
>>587496209It's weirder because I'm not brown, I'm black
>>587496274People who like darkshore can't complain about that shit get the FUCK out of here
>>587496359i guess you're not up to date with the modern dad gamer, they have changed recently
Do the crafting proffessions get consistent new blue gear they can craft or is the early head and other low level blues the only real perk
I thought you faggots hated vtubers and /vt/rannies but you keep feeding him. It's pretty fucking embarrassing. Jesus Christ.
>>587496412sis...
>>587496258you've got it all backwards >>587496359exactly. this /vt/ranny might not be a dad gamer but they're still dumb
>>587496127>there's nothing social about calling other players slurs
>>587496604modern dad gamers are literally obsessed about going in blind to repeat their glory days from like 20 years ago and proud themselves on being clueless as fuck, they harass others who use addons, look up guides, tips and what not
>>587496127This anon is right you know
>>587496731>sameposting
WTF SEARING GORGE DIDNT EVEN GIVE ME 1 LEVEL
Russian healer rq drowned city after getting knocked back into a pack. Who's fault was it (serious question)
>>587493346The only annoying thing about priest is they're slow, same as locks. For pve it's fine but for pvp you're not going to outrun the gank groups.
can i play with horde on alliance pve?
>>587496329I've camped lands end turtles for ages in previous nillers but I'm lvl 25 atm
>>587497016No.
>>587497051wtf why is it PVE then? fucking retarded devs thanks anon.
whats the 200 IQ pet upgrade path for alliance hunters?
>>587496701you're still putting the ass before the horse anon. how does someone who played the game before "go in blind"? wouldn't these the same people who almost certainly used addons before be most likely to do it again? of course they would be
>>587497242bearbearbearbearbear
>>587497016Yes you can play both on over, hell you can mail yourself gold from your alli-char to your horde-char.
>>587497242Fastest attack speed cat you can get at each level.
>>587497301its not a wow forever exclusive thing, its just that theres been tons of these modern dad gamers infesting various circles recently, like even when someone uses an addon like questie a modern dad gamer will have an aneurysm
>>587497318this but boar
>>587497242>for alliance hunters?jumping off of mount hyjal
>>587496701This is the polar opposite of what they are
>>587496412I hope you niggas go back to xivg. Tired of seeing your shit here.
>>587497301Idk played the fuck out of classic without add-ons while leveling and I'm playing forever without addons because I want that F R E S H feeling and seeing new content without it being spoiled
>gets ganked by some ally ne>spit>again by human>spitThis only happens when I am on skelf. Why?
>>587497385yeah man it just sounds like you don't understand what a dad gamer is and are conflating it with a fun haver tb h. pretty grim for you if true
>>587497480are you living under a rock? there's an insane amounts of these dad gamers who are currently infesting wow forever, they are obsessed about how bad they are, how they don't look up anything, how they are "blind", they constantly harass and demean others who might put in more time than them
So you're really telling me I can just say the most retarded shit that the average person would ignore but if I attach a vtuber to my post that you morons will give me (you)s?That's interesting.
New thread when?
no new threads ever. this is the definitive thread. the final wowfg ever
>>587497558same but they've also baked so many addon features into the base game (questie, weak auras, omen, etc) that it's definitely not the same experience anyways. it's genuinely baby mode for babies
>enh shaman mid dps at best>50% nerf to all damage>hunter>S-tier the most damaged out of all classes by far>buffed againSomeone needs to explain this shit to me, no I will continue to not invite hunters to my group.
>>587497621you might be right but i will continue calling them dad gamers as they are infesting this game currently and multiple other circles, im just tired of them harassing everyone all the time
>>587497646That’s not a dad gamer
>>587497830>Hunter buffed againwhere?
>>587497909+50% pet damage today
>>587497646>>587497848just say you hate fun and you're tired of puritan fun havers harassing you
this map addon fucking sucks
>>587497892you also might be right but i will still continue calling them dad gamers, these sorts of people are full of hate and harassment >>587497964im literally a fun haver myself but i do not go out of my way to harass someone who might be complaining about something or someone who might be a higher level than me or a better player than me
>>587496701Na, the "modern dad gamer" is the retard that complains about people that have more free time then themSo they get irritated by anyone that outskills/grinds them or the uninformed casual that wastes his precious 2 hour raid time
>>587498051yep, it does, its fucking awful to use and hogs fpsgood idea, terrible execution
>>587497848How on earth are they harassing you but just playing the game differentlyWhy are you conflating them as the same peopleSo ridiculous
>>587497830Hunter players didn't cry and go on strike about being S tier. Shaman players literally begged for the nerfs.
>>587497848>>587498061You're becoming an avatarfag at this point using the same images and having literally some of the worst takes.You're obnoxious and mods should ban your stupid ass.
>>587498051Questie is all you need anon, I mean that and the high res nude models and trp3.
>>587497956I'm not seeing this in any patch notes.
>>587498132it doesn't even show dungeon maps properly either
>>587495549I made a gold pretty early on by buying up leather scraps and turning them into tents.
Oh so now you guys are realizing he's a retard but you keep replying to him.That's even more interesting.
>>587498107>>587498139im just generally tired of the harassment that they spread around when someone plays more than them or might be better, their hate is getting tired and i will call it out>>587498180offtopic reply
>>587498221>Melee damage dealt by the Hawk pet increased by about 80%.
>>587498456That isn't +50% pet damage though.
>>587498206Does Questie tell you which quests aren't worth it?
>>587498357>>587498061Tbh people who hit 60 already do deserve to be made fun of. There’s more nuance to this then you’re sayingLike I’m not going to bitch at someone who uses an add on to find the book in SM library but if you’re 60 less then 7 days into forever yeah you’re a loser Some people deserve it. They’re just bad people Why defend people who don’t deserve it
It's been 4 years since I was in a wow classic general. I see this place is still nothing but tranny posting.
dead game..
>>587498061>but i do not go out of my way to harass someone who might be complaining about something or someone who might be a higher level than me or a better player than methis is the crux of it. you could just dedicate less brain computation time worrying about "dad gamers" think and more time having fun>>587498180kek
>>587498586im not defending anyone who reached level 60 or whatever, they literally dont matter to me. to be fair im not a fan of those so called "sweats" myself either but at least i dont harass them, some people will optimize the game and speedrun and thats fine
>>587498762Nah they should be harassed because it’s funny they deserve it. Maybe if this was a regular more modern game but killing the fun and rushing to end game when classic endgame is a joke? You’re gay.
Filter the v-teletubi faggot.Do not reply to the v-tubber faggot.
>>587498762imagine speedrunning and optimizing a game variant designed to appeal to people who want to take it slow and fun? people are allergic to fun
my gnome female is worried...
>>587498886>>587499014here we go, the toxic casuals are imposing their playstyle. no one is allowed to optimize or speedrun. everyone needs to be extremely bad and smash their head on the keyboard while rp walking
>>587498762There’s a big gap between being bad/playing bad on purpose to let and doing what the people who hit 60 a few days in did. Can’t even pretend they had any fun.
>>587498530If it's green it's not worth it, Jesus Christ anon...
>>587499178Excuse me where is your nuance >causalDid you have any intention of having honest open discussion here
>>587499002gomenasorry anon-san you were right. ignore all /vt/rannies and avatarfags
>>587499341i just dont like all these dads who constantly demean and harass others for not being a clueless imbecile, dont get me wrong im not defending these optimizer speedrunners im not that big fan of their style either but at least i wont harass them
>>587499474Oh so you have a super position that allows you to insult everyone and never actually have an opinion I understand. What intellect
I'm not even sure why people reply to him anymore I've talked to him multiple times over the years on /osg/ and hes not well in the head
thread
>>587499625qrd?
>>587499625His ragebaiting isn't anything special its just the average /wowfg/ poster seems to be even more retarded than he is.
>Discord is required!
>>587499884Why liz have been more autistic lately? First crashing into gigi cc heavy rain to act weird and now into a deadlock stream just to say nothing and leave
>>587498051Fact. I was told by A KIKE in this general that it was based, but I say to you it is not based and is in fact gay as fuck.
>>587500195idk she's always been a little autistic though which is why I like her.
>>587499276It's not worth it if the quest requires you to run from one side of the zone to the other multiple times for 2k xp with no chain followup
Make it. Now.
>latest census shows RP and RP-PVP with less than 2k players active
>>587501070rp? dead + cringeasmonlayer? flourishing
>>587501070there is no censusits an estimation of players based on the auction house
>>587501475https://classicarmory.gg/forever/census?region=usThis is fucking grim
>>587501857blizz are genuine retards for making rp-pvp
>>587500046New thread is required!
There already is a new thread made I Just didn't link it manually because you faggots are nonstop arguing with king retard and I didn't want you all in my general.
>>587502057Like look at all your posts feeding him and giving him attention. How do you not feel shame?
>>58749670120 years ago I had to know the fights or get kicked.
>>587502057Good. Make another one.
>>587502057you sound like a huge faggot
this is it... wowfg is over
dead gamedead general
>>587501857>65% more on pvepeople finally realized pvp servers are a meme
>>587502378Keep arguing with the /vt/ranny and try to epic pwn him I guess.
>>587501857how is the rppvp split possible? are there no faction locks?
this any good?
>>587503276No its trash. Give it to me.
>>587503193all the alliance quit
>>587495182When PvP is opt-in, you don't have to restrict character creation to resolve imbalance in server populations. When everybody fights everybody, the chance that one group becomes too powerful is minimized. Because it's opt-in to any reputation, the faction purists can still all gather up as Orgrimmar "Horde" and Stormwind "Alliance" and do their gank-fests, but the rest of the playerbase doen't add to them. In fact, because the pvp is more fragmented, the big fish aren't immediately untouchable because swarms of smaller fish can still hurt them.When it's 60%H vs 40%A, it's bad.When it's 25%Orgrimmar vs. 15% Stormwind vs. 10%Undercity vs. 15%Darnassus vs. 5%Ratchet vs. 10% Timermaw Hold vs. 10% Ironforge vs. 10% Thunder Bluff, the situation is much more ambivalent. The pvp ecosystem can breathe much better this way.And when you don't brutally separate players by faction, you also resolve PvE imbalance. No need to discuss which faction has the superior racials and balancing them against each other when you can just have any race in your group.This also resolves unnecessary discussions about faction-exclusive classes, and which race to be the vehicle for new race-class mixtures to still make them accessible to the opposing faction, with all the unnecessary lore convolution to justify them as cherry on top.And as a future failsafe, new racial additions become much easier as well. What will be important is the travel routes from their starter zones to the other races, not which faction they were being coded into. This means no lore brain acrobatics either to justify why that race fits into this or that faction. Blizzard adds a new race, it has its own reputation, players create a new character with that race and go into the world and figure it out from there. Do the starter quests, or do their equivalent of a wetlands run to where their friends are. And because it's optional, people who want WAR can still live in their WAR bubble.
