Welcome to Sonic the Hedgehog General! Here we discuss all things Sonic!/sthg/ #9728 - You thought it was Silvaze, but it was me, Espilver Edition==NEWS==>Discord server launched 5 October 2026discord.gg/SonicOfficial>SONIC PICO PARK on 12 November 2026https://picoparkgame.com/spp/>Sonic the Hedgehog: Memories and Beyond on 12 November 2026https://youtu.be/gg33XSAtdZM>Sonic the Hedgehog's 35th anniversaryhttps://www.sega.com/sonic-the-hedgehog?tab=35th-anniversary>Sonic the Hedgehog 4 on 19 March 2027https://x.com/SonicMovie>Netflix animated series for preschoolers with attitude in productionhttps://variety.com/2026/film/news/crazy-taxi-movie-netflix-sega-sonic-stranger-than-heaven-1236861148/==COMICS==Sonic and the Blade of Courage #18 - November 2026Sonic the Hedgehog #92 - 9 December 2026Sonic the Hedgehog X Godzilla #5 - 16 December 2026==OTHER==>Linkshttps://rentry.org/sthglinks>SAGEhttps://sagexpo.org/>SHChttps://shc.zone/>#10000 Projecthttps://pastebin.com/Fb8Bt4ruPrevious Zone: >>587536285
*does a sexy photoshoot of your OC modelling in a huge fur coat*
>>587586272If ABT ships her with Shadow it's' basically canon
>>587586496The only canon Lanolin ship is Lanolin x ABT.
Nurse Silver is ready for your estrogen injection. It worked on him, I mean, her. Now stay still
>>587586496It's the biggest self-insert ship Sonic has right nowABT wanted to be a woman, so he created Lanolin and he wants to be boned by Shadow regardless so he created Shadolin
Wife
*headpats your OC*>>587586494such a specific scenario
>>587584803Cope all you want. She murdered the Crash Bandicoot IP and now Toys For Bob are set to ruin Spyro next. I know this cause the new Spyro game has the exact same writer as Crash 4.It's a shame but how many times do we have to teach you this lesson old retarded video game industry.>Muh ActivisionTheir mistake was letting the game be made in the first place.
>>587586598how would Shadou support the family, Krackwhat's the canon answer
>>587586621How do you know ABT is agp
>>587586496ABT made that dumbass mini comic of her running with Sonic comtemplating killing him before he boosts away and she just looks pissed triggering all kinds of headaches for Sega he has no control over her fucking character anymore because nobody does at IDW only Sega is allowed to approve or disapprove what the character is, he may of created her but once she became a main character instead of a cameo character she's no longer his, cope, seethe, cum and cry. The same holds true for every IDW character Seg doesn't wnt another rchie situcation so if Flynn wants Surge and Kit to be bonafied villains, if Evn wants Solar/Lunar to be a trans allagory and Nite/Don to be a gay couple it stays in her head, they hve no power over the comic NONE ZERO ZICH
>>5875864969 whole pages of hot and raw LanolinxShadow coffee bean grinding
>>587586667>such a specific scenarioI have a fur (clothes) fetish
>>587586702I mean i am not into this but AAAslop with ugly women and middle aged ugly men sells more than any kind of japanese/korean game with bishoujo/bishonen in it.
Wish I may, wish I mightBe someone else tonightSometimes I wish I was never born at allAnd I'll try to save the world'Cause in the end I knowI'm the chosen one
>>587586740You know, this reminds me of a prediction some anon made on here years ago that the comic was going to go completely off the rails because the people in charge want to make their own IP but can't. Wish I could find it on the archive but I think it was made before it was made.
>>587586732
>>587586740Sega doesnt care about twitter comics or else he wouldnt be allowed to post them
>>587586702Im not gonna take you seriously if you ignore the facts. Crash 4 sold worse than N Sane and they expected it to sell more
>>587586868>because the people in charge want to make their own IP but can't.I mean, Ian made Drogune. I haven't read the 2nd pass yet (I did buy it tho), but 1st pass was OK, if largely thanks to ABT's incredible artwork.
>>587586151Saying all this when they already confirmed she'll be showing up in the next arc
>>587586740Sega is so gay and lame
>>587586792>ultrahandHis crashout that one time was funny.
>>587586709Maria is the breadwinner
>>587586868Multiple people even outside of this place made that prediction way back when the MV was still going on because Ian was wholesale writing Shadow and Silver as completely different characters.
So Shadow is just the guy who fucks girlbosses. Nu-My. 2026 Sally, and Lanolin.
>>587586786I cant even tell whats going on
>>587586989Shadow the housewife?Holy fuck
>>587586413It's funny how Espilver is the only yaoi that's from westshit side
>>587586151how bad does someone have to be for nu-amy to think they're a buzzkill
>>587586678Not him but IDW is proving how it can't do that. We don't want to see random Restoration arc
>Lanolin is currently working hard with Jewel on the reconstruction of-Genuinely how fucking long are they going to keep this retarded status quo going like holy shit this is so fucking stupid. The Restoration shit overstayed it's welcome almost half a decade ago and they are STILL fucking pushing this shit.
>>587586424>What exactly about the CE and SonicI think it'd be interesting to sort of dissect Sonic's relationship with the emeralds since it's always kind of always been more instinctive than, say, Shadow being designed to use their power or Knuckles' more reverential view of them. My setting has supernatural elements focused on emotion and thought, and the CE's use of positive and negative energy would be good material to make a storyline where Sonic has to come to understand the emeralds more deeply. My concept is that my setting's world has much more volatile amounts of positive and negative energy which is causing the CE to behave unpredictably, interfering with Sonic's ability to use them, leading to a storyline where he has to come to understand them on a deeper level than before. Possibly involving Knuckles and Shadow offering their own perspectives.>>587586678This is largely why I wanted to focus the Sonic crossover specifically on the more personal and character driven aspects of my setting. Many of them wouldn't operate very well in a story focused on the war going on in my setting specifically. Additionally, my protagonists are in a sort of special case, being part of a paramilitary organization dealing with supernatural threats to their kingdom as opposed to traditional members of its armed forces.As for your last question, I don't think it'd be particularly difficult, you'd just need to write it somewhat tightly. Sonic and co. can't be everywhere at once, but I think any setting where they're present would know of them and their exploits at the very least. I think it's entirely possible for them to be influential to the story and setting even if they're not directly relevant to the currently ongoing plot, though they should still be doing things even when they're out of the spotlight.
>>587586962>Crash 4 sold worse than N Sane and they expected it to sell moreWell, yeah but you're also lying by omission. How much money did Activision spend on developing Crash 4? Sell a million units and making 60m dollars means nothing if you spent 200m on development. And that's ignoring things like taxes, store cut, platform fees, etc.And when EVERY SALE COUNTS, you can't afford to drive people off by having divisive unattractive character designs.
>>587587136They're literally not pushing it. The Restoration as a narrative focus ended in Clean Sweep. Now it's just going to be bio/filler text, "oh what's Lanolin doing? Oh her normal Restoration stuff". No different to "Silver is in the future" and "Blaze is in her kingdom", the difference being the Restoration isn't as heavy to pull them away from
>>587586868They wanted to turn it into Archie 2.0 or Archie continued where Tempest and Egget/Omelette come from, I don't know if those comics are still running but they were basically Archie but even more ridiculously fan fictionay like some dolphin chick being Sonic's first friend instead of Tails and Sonic abandoning her after scrap brain zone for some reason. This was most obvious when Starline went on rant bout the sonic cycle when he was watching Sonic and Eggman battle it out despite the fact they were surrounded by Zombots and Eggman not giving a damn about trying to cure it. Then there was Surge's rant to Sonic before fighting him and Lanolin's whole character being a jaded bitter normie who became a hardass badass wanna be who want to stop eggman before he gets started, basically "Why doesn't batman kill the joker" as a character, things like that are why people think the IDW staffers and writers flynn and evan mainly re just angery bitter fucks mad tht Sega restricts them heavily compared to how Archie let them go crazy, flynn in my opinion is the worst of them all, he did things to intentionally piss people off, bragged about it on his podcast and even admitted he does it because he wants to anger people, eventually he pushed things too far and Sega punted him from the head writer position and told him to get Sonic out of his mouth on that podcast and ever since he's been even more angry he can't make money spewing garbage about Sonic anymore, he was also having public fights about the direction of Surge and Kit's characterization and sega smacked him down yet again.
>>587587050Don't bully Housewifedow... Maria would probably go on to be a biologist, or some type of scientist. She'd earn a lot of money that way. Shadow would be her protector.
>>587586151>she's suppose to be their new bestie,lol, lmao. Lanolin hates those two, and Tangle hates Lanolin.Also,>#64 discourseIt really is one of the more notable and impactful issue of IDW. I like how Evan made Whisperfags and Lanolinfag enemies with that issue. lol>>587587010Shadow's too extra to know how to make coffee so Lanolin shows him how by displaying both her vague PTSD and her autism.
>>587587195Tawna alone isnt to blame for the fact that the Crash brand is not strong enough to have the Cod/pokemon level sales they were expecting after N Sane's performance
>>587587136She's literally being pulled away from Restoration shit to go do adventure stuff like people wanted. Mystery of emeralds, helping friends, not military structure slop. I wonder if these issues will reestablish her with Tangle and Whisper
>>587587224Half of what you say is false
>>587587243>canon character has to learn from OCcolor me surprised
>Thinks Lanolin is going away>Name dropped by Tangle on Tailstube>Playable in Sonic Rumble along with Tangle, Whisper, Surge and Kit and is coming to Speed Battle Bit tits bitch sheep will stay, if you think this fandom will let another big tiddy character disappear just because of her bitch personality you don't know the sonic fandom
Holy fuck can you assholes relax with the goddamn walls of text? Nothing about Sonic warrants this much thought, it's a speedy hedgehog franchise for babies, shut the fuck up.
Sage > Omelette
>>587587272>Cod/pokemon level sales they were expecting after N Sane's performanceAnother lie unless you can cite where Activision not only mentioned the game was profitable but "didn't sell enough". Furthermore, it goes back to character designs. They should have never abandoned the Nsane Trilogy/Classic Crash art style. Normies liked that.Was Crash 4 even profitable? That's a fair question.
>>587587457>official character > fanslopWoah, shocker
>>587587457I wonder if omelette was an inspiration
>>587587438FOOL! Do you know not know wheere you are? The walls of text come whenever someone's tism is triggered and right now several have been triggered over some bait comments yet again, be lucky the usual suspects aren't in crashout mode right now or the entire general would loook like a novel.
>>587587438Leave then retard
>>587587224>eventually he pushed things too far and Sega punted him from the head writer position and told him to get Sonic out of his mouth on that podcast and ever since he's been even more angry he can't make money spewing garbage about Sonic anymore, he was also having public fights about the direction of Surge and Kit's characterization and sega smacked him down yet again.This shit right here is why I can never see Ian or Evan as professionals on any level. I'm still miffed as to how the fuck Ian was able to get away with literally blaming his bosses (SOA and SOJ) for his god awful writing and character depiction for well over a decade and never got reprimanded for it. Unironically if he pulled that shit anywhere else in the comic industry he would have been blacklisted within a month.
Who the fuck is Omelette
I'd rather have Shadow with Whisper.
>>587587480
While on the subject of old Orange Mascot Platformers, Bubsy 4d dev is teasing stuff again. Also confirmed that they are working on TWO GAMES.
>>587587680No woman likes you Shadow
>>587587145Well just remembering that positive and negative energy is a mistranslation. It isn't a simple matter of polarity but emotions of anger and sadness vs trust and love. If that correlates to the energy in your setting then sure, but if its just "ionically the south pole is negatively charged" then no
I really don't see this working. They look decent together in an aesthetic sense since they're black and white, but the personalities seem like they'd repel each other. Like lining two magnets up so that two of the same poles face each other. Doesn't click. "They both like coffee" is a fine way for them to meet I guess. It's not enough to build a stable relationship on.
>>587587673Someone saw the Spider boss from Flying Battery Zone in Mania and thought it was a new character.
>>587587836That's what I meant, yeah. My setting's supernatural shit is all based on human emotion and the CE are reacting to that.
>>587587848I absolutely despised this OC when it was popular.
>>587587837>but the personalities seem like they'd repel each otherThat hasn't stopped ships like Sonic x Surge or Knuckles x Rouge.
>>587587848It's just Eggman upside-down, are they retarded?
Shadolin in canon
I can't ship Lanolin with any character because she as a character is directly against the very themes of the franchise itself. She's actually one of the worst characters in this franchise and I'm not exaggerating. There is almost nothing you can fucking do with her other than turn her personality around and make a die-hard Sonic fan to showcase why Sonic and the rest of the cast are awesome.Fucking useless god damn character. I hate her and no the tits are not going to distract me from the fact that she is a character made out of spite for the franchise.
>>587587749All women like Shadow though.
why did Colors ds remove trickz
>>587588006Trannies are no women
>>587587996I dont mind Lanolin being against the series since she gets btfod. Even in the fancomic Sonic boosts away from her and it shows how powerless she isPeople like Starline and Lanolin will never win and thats why i allow them to exist
>>587587848every fanon headcanon that gets forcibly treated as canon sucks including this
>>587587719>Liam "Doctor Cupcakes" RobertsonSo, not Activision? Also, I get to use picsreel again.That note is inaccurate given the report was that Crash 5 was cancelled one month after 4's launch. The first month's sales were believed to be less that 1 million hence the decision to kill Crash 5.Got anything else? Specifically, something that details the budget?
Shadow is too important to ship with any of the useless idw OCs. specially whisper because not only she sucks, but she's also traumatized by Shadow. it won't be enemies to lovers, it would be Stockholm syndrome
>>587587954Sonic x Surge has nothing to it. She hates him. Knuckles x Rouge is a double tsundere thing. They're made to annoy and fluster each other, so there's something there, even if it wouldn't work as a long term relationship. What do Shadow and Lanolin have? They're not designed around each other. She is bossy and he is a character that resists bossiness entirely.
Sonic was stoic in Sonic X.
>>587588085
Kill shipfags.
>>587587963That depends, where is the head and mouth on this character sprite?
Sonic Pico Park is out I think.
Why does the west insist on creating characters who think Sonic needs to "slow down" and "be more responsible"?
>>587588305We already know why. are you asking hypothetically or are you just that dumb and uninformed
>>587588082>treated as canonOmelette was never treated as canon, it was just a dumb fandom joke, like Bowsette.Why the fuck does this have a Wikipedia page, WTH?
>>587588075Of course she'll never win but that literally just begs the fucking question as to why she even exists. That's why I hate her. She genuinely shouldn't even exist. She is one of the very few rare handful of characters that I can point to without a shred of irony and doubt and say "This character only exists to air out the writers' grievances and serves no other purpose."It's like a writer's pet but with 10x the amount of pedantry and fart huffing because the writer thinks they're better than the franchise. Well if ABT and Ian and Evan think they're so much smarter and better than fucking Sonic Team then why don't they go and make they're own IP?Oh wait! They did! And it fucking bombed. Yea, these people and their stupid characters can get btfo'd eternally. If I was in charge I would only have these characters show up to get absolutely humiliated and mocked and nothing else.
>>587586732>>587586895Porn addicts usually end up down that rabbit. He'll probably troon out like that Archie artist.
>>587588134>What do these opposing characters have that causes shippingConflict.
>>587588109Which is why he should be shipped with the only relevant IDW OC.
>>587588305I think it might partially have something to do with West vs. JP work culture.Japs view their carefree school days as the best times of their lives. After they become adults, they work themselves half to death. That's why these characters are teens and not adults. Adulthood is associated with boredom, tiredness, the monotonous drone of life. Sonic kind of represents that "before" time that they wish they could go back to. Meanwhile Westies think of their work lives as having adult freedom, so Sonic's boyish free nature makes them think "just grow up".
>>587588194>Industry analyst>Canadian guy ehMan, ai really is retarded.Do I even have to point out why a scumbag youtuber isn't a solid source for financial figures? Emphasis on the "scumbag" part. If you know, you know.Anyway, also toss out that "5 million copies" figure. The guy who mentioned that (former TFB dev) did so after he got fired and, unlike some other staff, TFB didn't take him back. Also muddies the waters given the game got a price cut on both PC and Switch.Notice how there's so much uncertainty with Crash 4's performance? It's cause the performance was bad or Activision themselves would've confirmed it. TFB getting tossed out on their asses wasn't cause they sold a lotta units. It's cause they didn't.
>>587588557whisper is more relevant than this sheep women despite being shit
>>587588402>Of course Eggman'll never win but that literally just begs the fucking question as to why he even exists.
Why does the west want to give Shadow all the ladies?
Why does the west want to tongue my urethra?
>>587588748when they tried giving sonic all the ladies in archie, sonic team interjected and asserted that sonic is like the wind
>>587588748Shadow's only lady is Maria
>>587588748*Why does the west want to give Silver all the ladies?ftfy
Lanolin will always be an obnoxious character because she's a literal who popping up and resenting the more experienced cast who saved the world multiple times.
>>587588865>The west giving Silver anythingYou mean like loving coleslaw?
>>587588402I agree with you but this doesn't enrage me to the point of saying they shouldn't exist. I like when the heroes being challenged serves to show why they can stand tall. Sonic and Eggman btfoing Lanolin and Starline helps support them being goated
>>587588557Lanolin hasn't been in IDW for almost two years
>>587588865Only west shit exclusive shipbait addition to silver is espilver
>>587589049You can tell with Lanolin that's not really the point.
>>587589096That's like only 14 issues, IDW's really slow and the current storyline isn't even finished.
>>587588865>the westEvan and her self inserts are not the west. Evan wants to be with her husbando
>>587589194Because Lanolin didn't come from a visionIan Flynn created Starline and his arc wholly on his own. Ian has always had visions, whether they were good or badEvan has never had a vision, never had grand plans, and the comic reflected this because it literally has only meandered for 50-70 issues since Ian hasnt been head.Lanolin belongs to ABT but clearly his vision isnt super accounted for as he see with him using twitter as an outlet.So Lanolin doesnt get the same care as Starline
>>587589301Why was Elise left out?
>>587589309Ian was the one who made Silver be a pathetic fanboy to whisper in the MV arc, him being gay best friend to diamond cutters follows from that, it's the west.
Man, why did so many people work on Crash 4? How much money was wasted/laundered? I think I've had enough Crash posting for the night.As I've said before, Crash Bandicoot is the ultimate cautionary tale for Sonic the Hedgehog. Pray Sonic Team/Sega NEVER does anything that retarded.
>>587589458American game dev is different from Japanese
:p
>>587589458Sonic already suffers from too many cooks in the kitchen thanks to SoA and the Lore Team. So it's only a matter of time.
>>587589421(me)thinking about it maybe they were influenced by amy and blaze being his 06 team butblaze is basically ''one of the guys''and amy just wrangles every hedgehog in adventure titles as a tradition, their association isn't permanent.
My OC Penor the Wenor is stronger than all the characters!
>western ocstear down the canon characters >JP ocsuplift the canon characters
>>587589509You are certainly correct about that. So much unneeded bloat.
Most IDW OCs just give off the DA self-insert Sonic OC vibe to me outside of Tangle, Rough and Tumble. I dont dislike them but I just can't take them seriously at all.
This is what happens when you have no games to discuss. I'd rather talk about my collection of clown porn commissions.
>>587589757>DA self-insert Sonic OC vibeIf they did, they would be tryhards begging to be badass. I don't get any of that from the IDW OCs.
>>587589458Says why in your post, porting. Crash was a multiplate game.Also, game credits in general have just gotten more granular as the industry has grown and games have gotten more complex.>for the night.???
>>587589857Sonic Pico Park just released. I already ripped all the sprites.
>>587589637More people need to realize how in bad faith the western OCs are. They existence ranges from stealing spotlight, to resenting the canon cast, to making the canon cast OOC.
>>587589857....well no one is stopping you....
>>587589986Is Pico Park canon or what
>>587590309it's like rumble, it has no plot
>>587590351Rumble has a plot nigga
>>587587052Japan doesn't care about the Chaotix. You need to be very into Sonic to care about Chaotix actually
>>587590497Japan doesnt care about anything
>>587590447no it doesn't you stupid fucking moron
>>587590497cnc
Shadow and Amy making Silvers in their free time
>>587590561Yes it does you retarded secondary. The premise is Eggman and Sonic playing with the toys like kids with action figures. That is the canon plot of the game. Do you actually play the games or did you miss that because there's no idw comic?
>>587589637Most western OCs usually end up being wrong about the game character when they try and tear them down, and often get humiliated by the game cast in the process. Meanwhile, the game cast needs to rely more heavily on JP OCs to actually accomplish important things (i.e. Chris convincing Shadow to not destroy the Earth in X or Sonic relying on Snowdude to beat Winter because the ice demon was too fast for him).
>>587590309Idk just enjoy the cute sprites. If anyone wants an animation from the game, I have them.
>>587590639That's not a plot, that's an excuse idw doesn't matter I haven't read a chapter since the mimic blew up
>>587590661Tom Sally Lanolin Sonia
>>587590698You dont know about if it has a plot but you autistically zeroed in on ripping muh cute sprites
>>587590583You hate Silver
>>587590724It's the plot of the game no matter you arbitrarily feel like calling it. Its a canon excuse.
>>587590497Yeah but even chaotix's popularity aside, rivals itself wasn't very shippy(Iizuka) most espilver is coming from the IDW chapter where Silver hugs espio, japan wouldn't write silver as hugging anyone willingly i think.
>>587590583cnc
>>587590747Don't care
>>587590791IT"S NOT FUCKING CANON YOU DAMN MONKEY god damn this is why I can't fucking stand you people sometimes
>>587556197>>587556585Guys. Was Chamelan proto-Balan?
>>587590862"hurr an literal official sonic game with a plot attached didnt happen because i say so!" thats you
>>587590862It's a Sonic Team game so it's canon
>>587590747It's pico park, why would it have a plot
>>587590960>>587590862What "everything is canon" actually meant
>>587590868Whats this guy's deal
>>587590960I dont know anything about Pico Park. Fucking Fortnite has a plot. Why shouldnt Pico Park?
>>587590192Hold that thought
zelda fans might be more autistic than us
If you like Superman, you're lame and gay.
>>587591290Superman's alright but I'm a Batman girl
>>587591109Blazy my dearest ~<3+*
>>587587848Unironically Sage's inspiration unless you mean "Omelettes" who is the prototypical archtype Coconuts/Snively/Grimer/Bokkun/SA-55 style stooge.
>>587591290I don't like anything.
>>587591538
>>587591290>>587591518Superman vs Batman Twerk off
JP eggman yells at Sage more than Eng Eggman
>>587591546>The body is round
>>587586490Silver you silly Billy bean Also caught up with idw finally Silver&Blaze whooping ass together
The concept of dreams is too esoteric for me to follow along with Shuffle and NiGHTS
>>587591678>I'm sorry Sage I lost my temper
>>587590824Iizuka just needs to put them in more games. The Chaotix are one of those characters you can shoehorn anywhere. Like they could totally be around in Frontiers as NPCs doing stuff.And Japanese artists usually write Silver as the good boy type, they totally see Silver as the one who gives hugs.
>>587592092Maybe Frontwos, but Frontiers is ironically better for not being littered with NPCs. The story needs to be very isolated from the outside world and introspective with the Ancients. Lorewise it makes sense nobody but Eggman and Knuckles got there initially, and only from following the Emeralds do the other 3 get there
>>587591970lol ok
i miss the meta era
at this point my standards are just keeping the game characters IC. Is that so hard?
>>587592247Theres no such thing as a meta era and if there were we never left it
>>587592252Evidently yes
>>587592165>We were just following you guys>Our contact told us to come to this area (the mysterious contact was Sage asking for help)>Charmy took the wheels and we crossed here randomlyThere are many ways to put the Chaotix in any story. They are random low level comedians .
>>587592247>>587592252>>587592270sthg please stop taking
You guys are being downers.
Dapple is fertile
Sexiest IDW OC
So will Dapple appear again or is she a one and done? i don't read the comics and don't plan to
>>587592501She hurt her insides badly while jumping around the castle, now she is infertile. This is why weak civilians let professionals do their job. Should have stayed safe instead of playing as a hero.
>>587592413Like I said it detracts from Frontiers to put more characters in it. Rouge makes sense to be there too. Shadow probably as well. But it's better that they aren't
>>587592630Why do you care if you don't read the comic?
Dapple is a bland nothing OC only liked for being female
>>587592630If you dont read why do you care?>muh gooningShes so overrated its not even funny shes not that hot
they really made Silver v Blaze fight the worst fight in IDW
>>587592501>>587592612This thread is funny as fuck
>>587592781>>587592817Because I wanted to go on a rant about nother useless character being added to the routaiting roster of waifu characters IDW produces yearly
>>587556585This is going to sound nuts, but I feel like the concept of a level-"1.5" Nightmaren was tied into the unused Self lore, which Iizuka was likely reluctant to do without Ohshima or Naka's involvement.https://youtu.be/hbKHPKR5Dg8https://youtu.be/icdySIrZ8bIAlso, Jackle for some reason tends to get snubbed out of cameos and has some unused assets like alternate decorations and more cards, so sonething tells me they wanted to decrease whatever he symbolized late in development.https://youtu.be/A0Qsk62g5AUhttps://youtu.be/wj3imtTeiH4>>587591021Literally just a genericized tarot-jester -> trump-magician replacement to make it feel a little more in line with the lower-level boss creatures instead of looking like a being on the level of NiGHTS and Reala (Jackle was opposite-tier to Reala in the original game and could be fought instead of Reala to reach the final level).
Shadow is infertile by design, but it doesn't matter since he's humansexual and they can't interbreed
>>587592767And yet Big was there. Most people don't even know he wasn't the real big. And nobody complained because an overworld of just grass a barely animated clay dolls is boring to look at
>>587592805She's liked mostly because people want a silver ship that isn't silvaze and the pickings are slim
>>587592820Silver and Blaze on fraud watch
>>587592919You dont really get rant privileges if you dont read the comic. Youre like a nonfan talking about being mad at sonic's latest games
>>587592820It wasn't a fight because we barely saw what happened. Could have been a cool fight actually. But Evan fuck it up big time.
>>587592092I am talking less about fanbase but moreso the jp side and us side baiting purposefully.jp side sometimes baits sonadow(not for the casuals but for schizo fujos to notice) but not really anything else.
>>587592926Big being there, real or not, is welcome because it continues the tradition of the Big cameo. That is a very false equivalence. He doesn't detract from the story with his presence
>>587593016the fuck you mean I don't get to rant? I haven't played or even bought a sonic game since 2006 back when the game was called Sonic the disaster but I've still come around, that's bull shit
>>587593037I don't think evan is good regardless but 91 and this arc being a dapple show in general might legitimately be because of blazefag complaints reaching sega/st and then their take away from the complaints would be ''use blaze less''. (some of the recent merchandising choices makes me think that)
>>587592920To think if Superstars had done better Arzest could've made a new NiGHTS game
>>587592923>Shadow is HEADCANON
>>587593135Nobody wants to hear what someone who doesnt consume the fucking media has to say. Fuck off
>>587566786>This..isn't half bad.>>Playable characters will be all Resistance members and characters who would make sense to fight but weren't in Forces like Cream and Gemerl>I don't agree that they are, but have em be unlocks if you want them so bad>>587569792Tails should be involved from the starts but leave later in the story. The way Silver spoke made it sound like he was around for a while and only was missing recently.Besides, who else could have made the wispons?
>>587591118OK I'm back. I'm gonna keep it Sonic-relevant. Picrel is a cancelled comm, I was gonna do Rouge as a ring mistress clown, but unfortunately didn't go anywhere. If I were to revisit the concept, I'd do a different outfit and maybe someone else rather than Rouge.
Why isnt Zeena more popular
>>587589857>>587591118>>587593352/sthg/ is frying me so bad kek
>>587593330You don't think Cream and Gemerl make sense to fight in Forces? I won't lie, for me it's more about Gemerl, but I know many people saw Cream being left out as a problem to them so I'm just satisfying that concern>Tails should be involved from the starts but leave later in the story. The way Silver spoke made it sound like he was around for a while and only was missing recently.Maybe. I don't have a definitive vision for Tails being at the start or in the middle. It's about however the scenario will be written in terms of exploring what happened. I myself thought Tails would've disappeared right as Sonic was being taken, because it feels a bit strange for Tails to be surrounded by his friends and still leave/lose hope. So I assumed he'd be isolated the whole time, it's the best way to justify the way he is in that story and those moments everyone hates. But like I said, I won't die behind that>Besides, who else could have made the wispons?This however... I am not too sure Tails made the Wispons. If he did, I feel like we'd just know that by now. That would be a piece of lore or info they'd say, that the initial designs were created by Tails. The fact they haven't said that makes me think they either didn't think of who made them or they're just keeping the answer in the vault for when it makes sense to reveal. Like, did you know the Black Onyx is related to the Giant Animal phenomena? I didn't, but we know because of some random Jakks toy. So maybe we'll find out one day like that.
Lazy cunt
>>587593621Sauce? Also its cuz shes attached to unpopular characters and she isnt used a lot and thus doesnt have many interactions. Imagine how much more mileage you get if you put her in Crossworlds, she can interact with 20 characters
>>587593621Goonbait characters aren't popular in general in sonicfanbase. despite common views.
>>587593621Everyone forgot she flirts with him too
>>587593621>>587593705>(1)
>>587593621Someone uploaded a pic of her riding his cock a year ago by Sonicguru but the pic isn't stored anywhere online
stop talking
Base form Silver could solo the Finalhazard.
>>587594463Eh just barely
>>587594520How do you even respond to this
>>587588381
>>587594520>out of context: NOT CANON GAIJINSLOP
>>587594689oh no she's hot!
>>587594558Thanks for agreeing
>>587594753soj and soa joined forces to delete sonamy because it was fucking shit
Omelette is ok and inoffensive as a concept creatives having fun with. there are much worse fan trends.
>>587594689lol this would be considered corny if the princess crown joke happened today
Even if Sally fucks someone else, Amy doesn't get Sonic.
the only thing soa did was delete sonic's legacy.
>>587587935No fun allowed>>587588223The diagonal white pixels in thr black patch are swinging eyes obviously.
Shipping franchiseMerchandise franchiseToddler Shows franchiseMovie franchiseComic slop franchiseAnd zero fucking games.
>>587594804I agree.
>>587594790You're welcome *looks at you funny*
>>587594954Crossworlds just got year 2. Pico Park just came out. You dont care about games.>inb4 not muh mainlineGames are games nigger
Something Something Ian Something Something Evan Yada Yada Vizie pop
>>587595065Crossoverslop
>>587591678>"Saaaaage, what do you meeeaan there's a crazy evil moooon...Saaaaaage..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H6kT7eT3uIWhy did Senoue start playing It Doesn't Matter while promoting Superstars?
>>587595178Racingkino
>>587595065Not mainline, not important.
>>587595065>Crossworlds just got year 2. Pico Park just came out.Those are not Sonic games. They're offtopic trash games with Sonic thrown in.
>>587595168Why's it in Arabic?
>>587595413fan translation
>>587591109>purple fireIDW could never.
>>587595065>Cross shit>zero fucking sonic charactersLMAO
>>587595396>>587595312Then fuck off
>>587595278This is not the only time Senoue has associated Sonic Adventure with Classic Sonic. The rest of SEGA considers Sonic Adventure to be Modern Sonic.
>>587592850We are SRS_PPL here at /sthg/.
>>587595441>مغامرات سونيك القنفذ ١
>>587595278IDM is Sonic's theme song. Not just Modern. Nothing about Sonic changed from growing up to Modern that Classic can't also be represented by IDM. That said I do enjoy Mania being his theme, or if we need lyrical, You Can Do Anything
>>587595513No, you fuck off to /v/ or /co/ or /a/ or wherever your off topic shit belongs. This is a Sonic thread, not a Pico Park Evangelion thread.
>>587595524Can you send this again as a gif pls?
>>587595513Suck my cock and balls BITCH. You're on MY turf. Pussy
>>587595597>>587595637cope
>>587595545>مغامرة سونيك 1 *
>>587595561>IDM is Sonic's theme song.In Sonic Adventure 1. It's made for that game specifically and not used in that way outside of it, not any more than any other random song.
So if Shadow fully protected the world from villains, he would just put himself to sleep instead of living life?
>>587595692>ادفنشرMusta been Egyptians lol
>>587595752Yes because *checks notes* he can't live for himself and only lives for Maria's wish
>>587595801>2 starsSonic is probably more popular in japan than around here. There's an arabic speaking facebook group with 8.2k members and I'm inclined to believe that's the entire arabic speaking fandom
>>587595801>yeah, he likes to hand out nicknamescool...>it means he trusts youOk i guess he trusts Eggman...
>>587595906It probably is, only other Arabi Sonic fan I knew was a Saudi guy in college. It's incredibly niche in the ME.
Douge
>>587595864Living for Maria's wish is living for himself.
>>587596110Sure it is champ
>>587595864>*checks notes*holy twitter
>>587595752Yes. Shadow is supposed to be a tragic character. If you have an issue with that, you're part of the reason this franchise is stakeless slice of life hellokittyslop.
>>587596158This general is infested by twitter posters, their various wars agendas talking points, to the point of posting literal screenshots constantly, why pick now to get standards?
>>587596140Yep.Do you have an issue with the characterization Shadow has had since 2001?
>>587593735>Cream.If Cream wasn't part of the Resistance in retail, that should be respected in this spinoff. If you make a side mission or something involving her, that works, but clearly her and Gemerl didnt join the resistance and rhat has to be maintained for the sake of continuity.Dont be like Flynn and focus on "fixing" things that dont need to be fixed.>TailsMaybe its just because ive been soft writing my own version of the events during those 6 months since Forces came out in my head, but I always imagined it as something involving Tails where he fucks up or couldn't pull through on something critical resulting in him leaving and feeling crushed.He'd be broken up the entire time before them but still trying in ehatever way he can until eventually its just becomes too much because he keeps getting reminded that if Sonic was around things would be fine and he let him down, which makes him push himself too far and make mistakes and oversteps.>Wispons. If he did, I feel like we'd just know that by now. That would be a piece of lore or info they'd say, that the initial designs were created by Tails. The fact they haven't said that makes me think they either didn't think of who made them or they're just keeping the answer in the vault for when it makes sense to reveal. I just struggle to think of anyone who could have otherwise. The only other thing would be if Silver brought them from the future. But even then, who else in the future would have even made them?>Black OnyxI thought we were told this.
>>587589524Hey you, don't do that, stop it.
>>587595906I wish sonic wasn't destined to be only popular in america, that's what why archie eventually won.
>>587596302I dont feel like doing the whole back and forth this morning. But pretend i am, spam your screenshots and removed-context interviews and your bios that dont actually support your argument yadda yadda
>>587596110How is freezing himself living? He thinks his life is pointless.
>>587596419Yeah, he always has. Did you play SA2?
>>587589524Hey you, do that, keep doing it.
>>587588740NTA but this isn't comparable. Egan exists because the characters need a villain to fight. He makes machines and contraptions and plans for the heroes to foil. What does Lanolin do? Be interference?
>>587596337I like Archie. too bad it had very limited availability outside America. And I don't consider getting cast away and ignored for 10+ years as a win.
>>587596302This is the opposite of living for yourself you fucking retards
>>587596417Shadow loves Maria. Shadow lives to protect the planet Maria loves. Maria's wish is Shadow's wish, and this has been the case since the conceptualization of the character.Shadow does not live to have a social life, or get married to some girl, or become found family with a thief and a killer robot. If you want a character who is a hero with a social life, try latching onto Sonic.
>>587596337I mean, to be fair, Sonic was designed from the beginning to appeal to Americans rather than the whole globe. He's got the American flag in his color scheme, he's inspired by Bill Clinton (SOMEHOW), his core theme is "muh freedom", and his arch nemesis is Teddy Roosevelt.
>>587596302Silver's real parents
If somehow the nigga is in here who just finished pico park with Shadow, tails, blaze, and Amy, I was shadow. We ran through the entire fucking game from the first to last level together.You a real one
>>587589353>Evansperging.There is nothing wrong with smaller fun stories focused on characters and slice of life.
Why do Classicfags want Classic Sonic in 3D when Classic Sonic is defined by being 2D? Classic Sonic in 3D is just Modern Sonic.
>>587596636What's wrong with it? Does it prevent you from self-inserting? That's not a proper criticism.
>>587596651Ah yes i forgot the soul bullshit about the wishes. But if someone told you Maria's soul made Shadow trans you'd instantly wake up and somehow know that's not what was meant by that.Anyway i dont have some agenda in that social life stuff so no need to do the boogeyman thing. Just calling a spade a spade regarding living for yourself vs living for Maria
>>587589397Nobody knows her personally anymore.
>>587596651Mankind's ultimate dream: immortalityWishes are eternal(the ultimate power is fueled by everyone's wish, let's show them Super Sonic power)
It's funny how the people who complain about Shadow "not living for himself" think Shadow fucking their bitch of choice *is* living for himself.
>>587596776>trannies out of nowhereShadow loves Maria. Shadow lives to protect the planet Maria loves. Maria's wish is Shadow's wish, and this has been the case since the conceptualization of the character.
>>587596714I agree. I like Trial by Fire for not being ooc for once. I guess Test Run isnt too OOC either.That said, it doesnt change the fact that Evan isnt a visionary and doesnt operate with grand visions. You dont need to be a sperg to realize that
>>587596632IDW is archie 2, not totally, but it has archie-isms and the same writers.>>587596680Not true outside of SOA lying agenda, he was designed to be universal, it's lack of popularity in japan has more to do with timing and marketing than anything else.
>>587595561I do feel the 2 versions of IDM fit the respective Sonic's a bit more.SA2 version sounds more contemporary while SA1 sounds more old-school.
>>587596836>shipfaggingIs it that time already>>587596887Maria's soul is Shadow's soul. Shadow is transfem
>>587596736I have no clue i can only imagine Sonic Utopia
>>587595717>Sonic Adventure 1. It's made for that game specifically and not used in that way outside of it, not any more than any other random song.Black Knight says hi.
>>587596956Believing in tranny garbage automatically makes your point invalid.
>>587597061Isn't it just a cameo track among a bunch of others in that game? It's used as a general theme just like Sonic Heroes or Reach for the Stars are.
>>587596918>IDW is archie 2it's nothing like archie once the metal virus arc ends.
>>587597065i can't even fucking read these japspergpics anymore omg
>shadow lives for himself>shadow would decide to be unconscious if the world is at peaceSo he doesn't live for himself
>>587597014A quickly thrown together pointless open world slop tech demo?
>>587597234Maria didn't tell him to do that. He decided to do that. That is living for himself, it's just a choice you don't like.
>>587597156Ianisms and Evanisms are archie-ism in general
>>587597206Yes you're ESL and an illiterate spic we know
>>587596695Does that game have a single player mode?
>>587596908The reason she focused on smaller stories was because that is what fans ASKED FOR. People complained about MV going on too long and wanted more episodic stories, usually poiting yo thongs like Seasons of Chaos getting universal praise as proof of what should be done more with the main book.Squidface is a thing so the claim there is no long term goal isnt even true.
>>587597234yes we know youre angry its ruining your selfinsert fantasy or your shipping
>>587596309>If Cream wasn't part of the Resistance in retail, that should be respected in this spinoff.You know, you're absolutely right. Cream and Gemerl should focus on defending their home village like the other extended cast I listed>I just struggle to think of anyone who could have otherwise. Rotor invented them and we're introducing the freedumb shitters kek>The only other thing would be if Silver brought them from the future.I'm pretty certain we're supposed to believe once Silver met Knuckles he never went back to the future again until after the game/before IDW's events start, though if he had the blueprints in his back pocket when he first came that'd be funny. Thank you for the help Eggman Nega.>I thought we were told thisNot really. Not in the game, not in the manga prequel, not in the comic or animation prequels, a toy told us that.>I always imagined it as something involving Tails where he fucks up or couldn't pull through on something critical resulting in him leaving and feeling crushed.I mean, at the end of the day ain't that how you're supposed to interpret his initial failing Sonic at the beginning? That was something critical he "fucked up with" (not his fault but still doesn't change how he feels) and directly led to the following ensuing events. Adding something again to double down on that might be repetitive, and it might exacerbate the feeling of Tails just getting kicked in the dick during Forces' war
>>587597314I have read both comics and idw is "archie 2.0" up to the metal virus arc. after that it becomes something else. it's like how archie switched genres after the first 30 issues or something. I don't care about your characterization debates where you fling about "archieshit" or "westshit" or whatever
>>587597065>i can use the same heart thing for my agenda!>but you can't use it for yours!??
>>587597148>"cameo track"We making up new terms to dismiss counter evidence now. >It's used as a general theme just like Sonic Heroes or Reach for the Stars are.No, it is used during a pivotal character moment for Sonic where he stands on business specifically in an encounter where he doesnt care about right or wrong. Because its his theme song.Reach for thr Stars is also one of his themes for the record. But the argument is just poor because the comparison is bad.
If Maria's wish (which is everyone's wish) gives Shadow a direction in his otherwise directionless life, why is it bad? Even before Maria died he was questioning why he existed at all.
>>587597295That part I do agree with. I don't like the preceding part that is "after Maria's wish" which is why I chose to interpret that him maintaining peace was fulfilling it without him consciously thinking about thatBut I can't ignore that Maekawa doesn't care about Shad05
>>587597546>I don't care about your characterization debates where you fling about "archieshit" or "westshit" or whateverAll Archiefags care about characterization debates. They love lying about the characters.
>>587597369you're just trying to make our eyes bleed at this point, that was the worst text box i've ever seen
>>587597546Reboot Archie 2.0 to be precise
>>587597417Misadventures was trash though
>>587597580My agenda is canon. Yours is faggot nonsense.
>>587597637Is the Sonic Adventure version of It Doesn't Matter his theme song, or is it one of his theme songs? Does it have equal standing with Reach for the Stars?
>>587597673>directionless lifeThe point is to find meaning and if the only meaning he can find was in the past he said he let go of then he isn't living for himself
>>587597720Can someone explain Ike Visine joke
>>587597675Iizuka says the same thing, and he wrote Shad05. You interpreted Shad05 incorrectly, and made a headcanon that he would just discard Maria's wish when that was never the intent. Then you accuse Sonic Team, Maekawa, and the person who wrote the game of not understanding their own product.
When is that Memories & Beyond thing supposed to come out?
>>587597812He isn't living in the past. He's carrying the wish into the future. That is living for himself. I'm sorry you have difficulty with the concept, but it's not really Sonic Team's fault.
>>587597776No, you made up the wish part, and when pressed you previously used dubshit to try and push it
>>587597905And here comes the movie synergy quote yes yes i've played this game before i feel like Shadow fighting Black Bull for the tenth time
>>587596026I know a handful of fellow Egyptians who know what a sonic is and their opinions are>that's for kidsor>that's for spergsno inbetween...
>>587598017Maria's wish is his past
Archiefags are going to seethe at the sonamy moments in the animations and then go back to saying they don't care about characterization
>>587581872 The color pallets for for the first three are so dull
>>587598070>movie synergyHello Bulmabitch
>>587597924From what I understand, 3 and a half hours from now it will be streamed on Discord, and in 9 hours and a half it will be on YouTube for everyone. I might be completely wrong, accept the risk if you choose to trust me
>>587597393Nope. Only multi-player but you can play onlineSpeaking of, if anyone got the game, I need help with the endless 3 achievement, too hard to do with two controllers by myself
>>587598175Maria's wish is also his future! :)
I don't understand shadriafags. They say Shadow doesn't live for Maria's wish and then describe this bullshit.
>>587586702>I know this cause the new Spyro game has the exact same writer as Crash 4Oh…
>>587596918"Sonic was not intended only for America" and "Sonic was intended to be universal" are not the same, anon. Yes, they probably had Japan in mind, but that's that.
>>587598304"Shadriafags" are just Shadowfags. Iizuka is the king Shadowfag, that's why he says this.
>>587598082And they're not wrong lol
>>587598389Krack, if Shadow would freeze himself forever then he isn't living for himself.
>>587592920>>587557608>The dream language voice line Reala has at the start of his fight lives rent-free in my head to this day every time I see NiGHTS. Sorry about Jackle. He's one of the cooler bosses, for sure.Wanna know something interesting? Jackle has what sounds like an attempt at THE SAME EXACT line as Reala, but the voice clip goes unused!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6SmqW7uHiIhttps://nights.fandom.com/wiki/Dream_Language(Also, I wonder what's being whispered in his theme, but you can't hear it over the constant cackling.)
>>587598531That is living for himself though? He's just living for himself in a way that you personally don't like. You're not much different than the villains who tried to make Shadow serve them. You will only be happy once Shadow lives for *your* wish.
>>587598189I invented the argument and I'm not him. Not everyone who disagrees with you is one persn
>>587598646Maria is one of the people Shadow isn't supposed to serve anymore.
>>587598774Yeah, I can tell you invented the argument out of nowhere. Shadow's been consistently shown with Maria or remembering Maria from 2006 - 2023, before the movie. It's just cope for the fact that newer media doesn't reflect the headcanon you developed.
>>587598843Shadow isn't serving Maria. He loves her, she is his fuel. If you think she is a ball and chain or someone who is controlling him, you are not only wrong but likely incapable of understanding Shadow as a character. In which case you need to fuck off and leave him be.
>>587597523>You know, you're absolutely right. Cream and Gemerl should focus on defending their home village like the other extended cast I listedYeah, exactly. Then maybe they evacuate to wherever regular citizens were evacuated to and she stands guard or something.>freedumfuckersrolls eyes*>Not really. Not in the game, not in the manga prequel, not in the comic or animation prequels, a toy told us that.I thought it was a statement by devs. Might be misremembering.>I mean, at the end of the day ain't that how you're supposed to interpret his initial failing Sonic at the beginning? That was something critical he "fucked up with" (not his fault but still doesn't change how he feels) and directly led to the following ensuing events. Adding something again to double down on that might be repetitive, and it might exacerbate the feeling of Tails just getting kicked in the dick during Forces' warYes, but the state he is in in Forces only makes sense because of those six months where things only get worse and worse to begin with. The exasperation is the point. I like to imagine Tails was distraught over letting Sonic down, but everyone insists things will work out, except they don't and things only get worse.Same with Amy. I like to imagine she started out on the front lines refusing to believe Sonic is gone and saying he's gonna come back for sure like the Scottsman in season 5 of Samurai Jak lol, only to be worn down and default to a communications role later.Also I'd have something where they try using the CEs but the Ruby blocks/cancels them like in Mania.Those 6 months were basically setbacks after setback so it makes sense to have it be that every obvious thing that you'd think to try didnt work and that's what those events are comprised of.
Shadow serving Maria's wish forever is literally archie bullshit and she's defending it.
>>587598891How many times are you gonna cite the staff making shippy comments at fanart or misconstrue that "remembering Maria" isn't whats being argued? I thought my save file went further into the argument
Isn't it interesting how you never hear "Amy isn't living for herself" when she decides of her own volition to chase Sonic
>>587599029Amy didnt have a game where she threw away a photo of Sonic
>>587599010Other way around dougebro. Only archiefags need to make him forget maria.
>>587598958>she is his fuelThen he isn't doing anything for himself
LIVEFORSELFDOWMOVEONDOWNEWYEARNEWMEDOWFUCKTHEPASTDOWIDECIDEFORMYSELFDOWMARIAWHO?LMAODOWNOFRIENDSDOWNOFAMILYDOWWHATTHEFUCKDOHEDO?DOWALONEDOWALOOFDOWEDGYDOWDONTCAREDOW12YEAROLDBOYDOW
>>587599010That's the character, you need to just deal with it.You have zero (0) Sonic Team source that says he has irrefutably left her behind and no longer cares about her. None.
NIGGERDOW
>>587599141He is tho. Cry about it
(dismissive grunt)
>>587599284If he would seal himself away he isn't living for himself
I'm tired of Shitdow
SHITDOWPOOPDOWFECESDOWREFUSEDOWWASTEDOWFILTHDOWROTDOW
>makes your franchise betterYou're welcome
اخرص
I'm glad Iizuka loves Shadow. I think that anyone who loves Shadow respects the path that he chooses. I look forward to Shadow continuing to canonically be the light of hope Maria knew he could be, because that's the path Shadow chose of his own volition. Not G.U.N.'s lapdog, not Eggman's lackey, and not Black Dooms' soldier.
DO YOU REMEMBER ME,OLLY-OLLY, OXEN-FREE!I FORGOT, I FORGOT, THIS THEME!
DOWDOW BIRD
>>587588381That’s how big it was
>>587599409He chose to do that himself though. Nobody told him to do it. He decided it.
>>587599665uhh no shadow chose to be amys boyfriend and to cheat on amy with rouge, do you even read the lore teams private discord messages? they literally write the series canon
>>587599642اخر*س* بالسين
>>587599409when your work is over for the day and you decide to go to sleep you are actually not living for yourself. stop working and going to sleep or else you're not your own person.
>SHADOW CAN ONLY LIVE FOR HIMSELF IF HE STOPS PAYING ATTENTION TO GIRL 1 AND STARTS PAYING ATTENTION TO GIRL 2
>>587599898Dougebros unironically think like this
>>587599898Shadow loves girl 3 actually
>>587599665Maria's lackey and soldier
Moving on
>>587599898Mariafags consistently expose that they can only think in ship terms
Enough.My ship sails in the morning.I wonder what's for brunch?
>>587597781I personally rank Sonic's themesongs in terms of importance along the lines of seniority, excepting whatever the newest one is fot the current game/era.
>>587600105>MariafagsIt's just this stupid dropout bitch
Shadow the Hedgehog (the game) is not canon.>MUH GENERATIONSOh you mean the game that literally retcons itself written by a fanfic writer hired by Sega of Fanficerica? Not canon.
>>587600105The only reason you would ever have a problem with Shadow loving Maria is because you're a jealous a shipfag. It doesn't prevent him from fighting, it doesn't prevent him from having new villains, it doesn't prevent him from getting himself into new adventures, it doesn't prevent him from being cool. The singular reason you would be mad at it is because you want Shadow to be social.
>>587600164It Doesn't Matter still isn't Sonic's theme in Superstars.
>>587600249You literally want Shadow to freeze himself forever if he finishes Maria's stupid wish.
>>587600125Brunch is not the same as dinner, you fucker!
>>587598989>a statement by devsI'd love if there was. They told us jack and shit about Superstars lore>Also I'd have something where they try using the CEs but the Ruby blocks/cancels them like in Mania.yeah. Sounds kino>only to be worn down and default to a communications role later.Wow, I did not think about that. That's a good story beat to be conscious of too, until the war climaxes with that final battle we played in and everyone in the Resistance is playable again since they were all there for it
>>587600105ok then why don't you want shadow to be devoted to maria's wish.what is it preventing? specifically name what you want shadow to do that maria is holding him back from.
>>587592630She literally just made her debut, it’s too soon to say. Given how her perception was alright, she very well could but desu I don’t see how else they could use her beyond this arc. Maybe she’ll get cameos.
>>587598389
>>587600327Yes, I want what Maekawa and Sonic Team want. Is there a problem? Should I instead be wanting what Ian wants?
Just post the screenshot of Moveondowfags admitting they're clinically diagnosed psychopaths, it'll shut this shit down.
>>587600249Like I already told you on the previous save file, I care about character regression. That's what this is about. You accept because at the end of the day you're the self inserting shipfag you accuse others of being, but instead of Shadow you want to be Maria
>>587600417Thanks for bringing that up! He mentions leaving his past behind him *and* carrying on Maria's wish in the same game, proving that leaving the past behind him doesn't mean abandoning her wish.
>>587600354I was going to say "linner" but that sounds stupider.
>>587600367It's not about wanting him to do anything and it's not about using your agenda words like "holding him back". If Shad05 never happened I would not be complaining about Mariadow. But it did happen and got regressed without even a real written acknowledgement of such so I must voice that.
>>587600454>Moveondowfags are perpetually frustrated with Shadow's real characterization because they are mentally incapable of getting why you'd value a dead person
>>587600531All it proves is that they want to have their cake and eat it too. A Shadow who cares about holding onto Maria as you claim would not throw away a photo of her.
>>587600461There is no character regression. You made up a headcanon that wasn't true. I'm glad you'll never be happy with the character, you don't deserve to be.
>>587600620>>587600454>post either a falseflagger or a literally retarded shitposter to make all my enemies look bad! everyone is this person if they disagree with me!
>>587600569You misinterpreted Shad05. He says Maria when he dies during the boss fight. He realizes his truth when he hears her words about protecting the planet. Him throwing away the physical photo never meant he was throwing away her wish, nothing has ever said that. Ever.
It's gonna be so funny when Hoshino comes out and says he likes Amy moving on from Sonic so that can be religiously spammed like it's good
>>587600736Yes, they are.
>>587600829>beforebeforebefore anything but analyzing what came after the fight!Ah this is where I saved my progress. So tell me what did throwing away the photo mean?
>>587600736Psychopathbro...Shadow will always love Maria...
I think Shadow needs to grow up and get over all this Maria stuff already. He's embarassing.
Shipping franchise.
>>587600918Again with conflating the love and the living for wishWe cant love people without living for what they want. Sad!
>>587600909Throwing away the physical because he no longer needs the physical. It remains purely in his heart. It's signifying that all he needs is himself, and the truth that is inside him.
>>587600920why do archiefags hate shadow
Shadria is about being obsessed with the idea of Shadow never moving on so no other ship can get the Shadowbowl
>>587594689I know it’s a joke but I wonder if the crown would turn him into a Madonna look alike.
>>587600994What she wants is what he wants, and vice versa. So there's no issue.
>>587601123Shadria is about liking Shadow the Hedgehog, the character from the games (2001 - 2026).
>>587601184So why did Shadow not bring up Maria in any game until Crossworlds, Fortnite, and DC?
>>587601230You don't want Shadow to be a character
>>587601084I have never read archie lmao
>>587601034Throwing away the physical while repeating Maria's words of goodbye... hmm I wonder if he was poetically saying goodbye to her and Gerald... no this couldn't possibly be it, a movie that came out 20 years later should invalidate this
>>587592920>>587479863bro do you even sleep
NOOOOOOOOOO IT HAS TO BE MARIA'S WISH SHADOW CAN'T MAKE NEW FRIENDS OR MOVE ON OR DO ANYTHING BECAUSE HE HAS TO LOCK HIMSELF AWAY FOR MARIA'S WISH
>>587601287Shadow already is a character. People loved that character so much he was revived.
>>587599167https://youtu.be/ovTeuWpwLkc
>>587601261He doesn't need to mention her for it to be true. But he did bring her up in Lego Dimensions. He named his car part after her in Team Sonic Racing.
>>587601486Yes. I like Shadow the Hedgehog's character.I am sorry you don't. Maybe Sonic would be a better character for you to like? He already does all that stuff. :)
>>587601486All I will say on this matter is that it’s mainly shiptards and/or people who don’t like official Shadow who’re mad about this.
>>587601486And there we go. You're angry it prevents him from being Archiedow.
I grow weary of Shitdow
>>587601590Yes, a gag where Shadow concludes that flower arranging is actually more wish fulfilling than saving the world is definitely good evidence and definitely covers all the other games before movie 3 came out where he didn't unnaturally bring her up like he does nowThis might count as shill territory atp
>>587574393He's alright but watching him shill Mimic's story made me nauseous >>587584468Unsurprisingly Spax is still around and is as insufferable as ever. Dude got in trouble recently for grooming a teenage girl iirc
Themes and such franchise with no actual substance
>>587601361Yes, he is repeating her words since he has internalized them. Shadow and Maria are one heart. He lives to give everyone a chance to be happy. If you think that this is untrue, you also believe that Maria's dying words were wrong.お願いよシャドウ 私のかわりに…いつかかならずPlease, Shadow. In my place... someday, without fail...あの星に住むすべての人達に… 幸せになるチャンスを与えてあげてTo all the people who live on that planet... give them a chance to be happy.みんなの願いを、叶えてあげて シャドウならそれが出来るきっと…Make everyone's wishes come true. You can do it, Shadow, I know you can...あなたはそのために生まれたの…That is what you were born for...アディオス…、 シャドウ・ザ・ヘッジホッグ…Adios... Shadow the Hedgehog...
>>587601940Approved by Sonic Team. I accept your concession.
>>587600569This is kind of my take except i dont see it as inherently a regression. I see the shippers and fangirls way of interpreting it as one.Whether we like it or not, a lot of people literally only like and sympathize with Shadow because of Maria. Women especially are just wired that way. They just want to control men.https://youtu.be/h4_LMbStcJY?t=5
>>587602115>ignores the rest of the argumentAnd i accept yours. This was regression
Why would you have a problem with Shadow's directive being "give everyone a chance to be happy"
>>587602043>Shadow and Maria are one heart.So he is transfem.
>>587602226You don't have an argument, you just don't like canon Shadow.
>>587602253Why would you have a problem with people calling out character regression
>>587602282(You)
>>587602335Shadow being the same character for 25 years isn't a regression. Your headcanon isn't a thing.
>>587602221That can all be true but it still counts as regression, just like removing Amy's love for Sonic regardless of the reason is bastardization
>>587602443Except for when he wasn't the same character for 19 of those years until---you know the rest, I don't enjoy the going in circles thing as much as you do
>>587602221I like Shadow's bond with Maria because I like Shadow, not the other way around. Shadow cares for Maria the way Sonic cares for adventure. If I were to say Shadow should do what I desire instead of what he desires, I wouldn't be a fan of him.
>>587602221Holy fuck I am never watching Inuyasha
>>587602468Removing Shadow's devotion to Maria would be the regression anon...
>>587602532Except for all of the comments Sonic Team staff made proving he was always the same character. Your headcanon isn't real. Sonic Team never supported you.
>>587602383>(You)
>>587602687The shippy comments they made on fanart while never writing it into their games until after the movie yes yes
Saying Shadow shouldn't love Maria is the same thing as saying Amy shouldn't love Sonic. Just shallowly gutting the core of the character for unappealing shipbait for 30 year olds.
>>587602612There was no Shadow before SA2 so no not how that worksYou must probably enjoy Forces Tails though
>>587602865Shadow's eternal devotion to Maria is pretty shippy now that you mention it. Based Sonic Team.
Is Sonic Unleashed an adventure game
>>587602980Yes its great for people who want to self insert as Maria
>>587602970What are you talking aboutAmy loves SonicShadow loves MariaThe only people who dislike this are self inserters like Katie or Bulmafag who want them to obsess over someone else
>>587603021No
Let's talk about something else, because the Sonic franchise sucks poopsicles. Anybody read any good books lately?
>>587602282I think it's moreso about jungian anima concept than it is about trans stuff, you can interpret sonic and amy similiarly.How was ch 6 translation of BoC btw, not gonna buy it but the localizations weren't horrible in the first chapters.
>>587603081It's great for people who love Shadow as a character and not as a generic batman selfinsert vessel
Moveondowfags are 40yo psychopaths living vicariously thru cartoon rats
I want to goon, i want to goon buckets all over the floor but i hate this side of me so much i decided to kill it with a stone. I took a stone and i'm beating it, hit after hit until it doesn't move anymore.It's a parasite, it's a sort of illness that takes over everyone and everything i love and deserves nothing but persecution and purge.Sonic wouldn't goon, because he's like the wind.
>>587602468I dont have an issue with Shadow reintegrating and repairing his relationship with Maria into his self concept. That itself is fine as long as he is living for himself and keeps Maria in her rightful place in the web of his self concept.The issue is the fangirls just see it as a backdoor to regress him into just being their fantasy boyfriend who will die for their wish for eternity long after she is dead.It isn't good enough for them that Maria would be happy and proud of him. He has to specifically go "Maria..." wispfully and remind everyone he ia doing it for Maria, and that's what I have an issue with, and that is how it turns into regression.With Amy, I see it as a derailment issue because its a change that is made to appease people who hated the character moreso than something that actually grows or evolves her.>>587602537>I like Shadow's bond with Maria because I like Shadow, not the other way aroundYes, but the way you like Shadow isn't insofar as liking Shadow for Shadow being your fantasy boyfriend with Maria as a proxy. In that way, it stops actually being about Shadow as a character and more how he can be a proper prop for the fantasy, which i find distasteful.You seem to believe being that is ehat the character is, and if that is the case, there is no point is further conversation.To me this isnt much different than how a lot of waifufags are about Sally or how many Sonamyfags reduce Amy to just a prop for the ship.
>>587600920Then Shadow will have nothing going for him
I am glad amy is no longer into sonic. now we have less entitled shipfags to deal with
>>587603331I mean the wind would do whatever the fuck it wants, including gooning. None of this guilt bullshit. Just jerk off and move on with your day, stop feeling bad lol.
>>587603115If you dont wanna talk about Sonic you can leave
>>587603514Never, the wind is free and is not chained to ritualistic pleasures.
>>587603302Mariafags are 40yo spinners living vicariously through dead 12yo anime girls
>>587603514>>587603602This, gooning is more than a jerk, its a way of life that lordes over you which the wind wouldnt get trapped in
>>587601421Isn't Sonic Drift the first core four game?>Knuckles was only in Sonic Drift 2..huh. still predates Nights tho
>>587603161(me)come to think of it jung or someone like him would have a lot to write about the current wave of trans
>>587603340I like Shadow the same way Maekawa and Iizuka do. Do you believe they're also making Shadow into a prop? I think it's incredibly disrespectful how you insist on throwing away their vision for their own character. I think it's incredibly disrespectful how you try to insult anyone who likes what is actually said in the games and by the staff who make the games. I love that Shadow loves Maria because I love the concept of Shadow as a character, and that is what the concept of the character is. That has been the concept of the character since before I was even born. You will never convince me to stop loving Shadow. It is not a regression, it is Shadow.
>>587598587It's possible they just moved it from one character to another. I didn't know that, though. That's neat.>Adeema!Meanwhile in Archie
>>587603609Maekawa has a wife. Mariachads always marry and reproduce!
>>587603670It's why i need to kill it, kill the gooning and you also kill all these fucking trannies and their bullshit inserted into fucking cartoons. Let's kill it and that's over, the torture lasted way too much.
>>587603340>I dont have an issue with Shadow reintegrating and repairing his relationship with Maria into his self concept. That itself is fine as long as he is living for himself and keeps Maria in her rightful place in the web of his self concept.i mean, do you think Shad05 was him "not dealing with it healthily"? I never subscribed to that thinking. He dealt with things in a very anime way. But yes, if Shadow Gens actually investigated it in the way you are describing, I would shut up, but that's not what happened, that's not what Gens does>The issue is the fangirls just see it as a backdoor to regress him into just being their fantasy boyfriend who will die for their wish for eternity long after she is dead. It isn't good enough for them that Maria would be happy and proud of him. He has to specifically go "Maria..." wispfully and remind everyone he ia doing it for Maria, and that's what I have an issue with, and that is how it turns into regression.Correct. Which is why I hate Crossworlds Fortnite and DC for doing this>With Amy, I see it as a derailment issue because its a change that is made to appease people who hated the character moreso than something that actually grows or evolves her.Sure but I won't also ignore the tinge of corpo-woke "lead girl" mentality affecting things
>>587601421>do you even sleep>dream gamesHaha i see what you did there
only westfags hate shadow loving maria. you never see this type of thing with jp fans.
>>587603684There's no core four game in classic. Its either Sonic Tails Amy, or a spinoff game that has more cast than just Knuckles
>I read a lot of books and other literature about dreams and the deep psyche in order to learn how to faithfully create an actual dream.>There are a lot of books out there by experts. The primary foundation I used was the work of Carl Jung, but I referenced the works of several people who had done proper scientific research on the topic of dreams to construct the dream world and also the characters that appear in those dreams.>Because of this I could hear about people's dreams and go "Oh, that means such-and-such". So for a while members of my team would come up to me and ask things like "Okay, so I had a dream about this last night, what does it mean?", and I'd say "Okay, that means you have residual trauma from this sort of event in your past". So I was acting sort of like a dream interpreter.>After a while I started realizing that it revealed deep-seated psychological issues and emotional scarring and other things I probably shouldn't have been privy to and I figured maybe I should quit while I was ahead.>To put it simply, different people have issues inside themselves that they need to overcome or some sort of conflict deep within themselves and dreams give us a means of visualizing those conflicts when we go to sleep, that's how dreams work in the real world.
>>587604019>Its either Sonic Tails AmyIt's STK aka team sonic. STA was never a thing
>>587603703All old psychologists would>>587603161>you can interpret sonic and amy similiarly.???
Why are you able to understand that Amy loving Sonic is living the way she wants to live, but then the same concept of Shadow is suddenly being a slave...?
>>587603858These are random accounts though, not maekawa right?
>>587604143Sonic Tails and Amy as you can see were in Sonic Drift and Sonic the Hedgehog Gameworld
>>587604143Nigga >>587603684
>>587604132Wow what is this from
>>587604227All of those accounts are Shadriafags that have been in the fandom for over 20 years. They all got married.
>>587602253My problem is with Shadow needing to have a "directive" to begin with. He isn't a robot like Metal. There is no flicky that comes out when he pops open.
>>587604208Because Amy didnt have a game where it posited that she would move on from Sonic
>>587604402Where did it say he would move on from Maria? Can you point to a quote where he said that he was no longer going to care about Maria specifically?
>zero games to be hyped for>just fucking shipping slop
>>587604161Amy is sonic's feminine side or image of the feminine archetype personified, though the ''becoming whole'' or general jungian text is much clearer with shadow as a character in general. amy is ''girl/feminine lens sonic'' ''the heart of the story'' etc.NiGHTS into dreams also uses claris and elliot as anima/animus, and they r very similiar to sonic and amy.
>>587604316https://youtu.be/fkEufRFp5Y8
>>587604401Everyone has a directive you tard. Sonic likes adventure. Do you think Sonic should stop liking adventure?
Move along, move along, like I know you toEven in the darkest of days, move alongAll you've gotta keep yourself strong
>>587604451
>>587602915>Saying Shadow shouldn't love Maria is the same thing as saying Amy shouldn't love SonicIt isn't. Shadow was not concieved as a love interest to Maria. It was the reverse. Shadow's story isn't about hoe loving Maria makes him stronger and propells him forward. While Maria is a meaningful and important part of his story, she herself is not central to his story or character the way Sonic is for Amy.
>>587603820huddah
>>587604468There isn't even shipping slop either
Would someone with actual vision steering the image board ship manage to prevent them from dying, compared to the guy Hiroyuki
>>587604234>Sonic the Hedgehog GameworldThis game is neat but it sucks how they didn't adjust the text output for the English version and everyone's text is like 5-6 words long. The characters say a lot more in Japanese.
>>587604620Bruh, Shadow's love for Maria overcomes Gerald's mindfuckery, it makes him overcome Black Dooms' mind control twice. It literally is his power. She is central to him. Sonic Battle even makes you input an anagram for Maria in order to unlock Shadow's special moves.
>>587604613Where is Maria said here? Seems like he's moving on from stuff like Black Doom. Black Doom made a deal with Gerald 50 years ago, and Shadow decided he wasn't going to be part of it.
I get the point of some people on Shadow Generations having problems. There is just way too much Maria focused content on Shadow instead of him being his own independent person who has agency and "fights like he always have."
>>587603728>I like Shadow the same way Maekawa and Iizuka doThe impression i am getting is moreso you like him in a way you have created and reframed in your head, and selectively use statements they have made to affirm that image instead.
lol
>>587604620Sa2 is based on a love story
>>587604504Thanks
What do you think would Ian Flynn put in a book about "How to Write", if he wrote one?
>>587604516Sonic's love of adventure isnt a purpose he ascribes himself to>inb4 but shadow is purpose-basedYes, which he was supposed to overcome in yaddayaddayadda
>>587605140He would be saying “and then” a lot.
>>587604859>he moved on from everything except the parts i dont want him to move on from
>>587604492(me)will sound silly but maybe it's a commentary on how a sonic that doesn't have an amy or amy side ''will not be nice''
>>587605140I dont understand
>>587604936Nope. I like the way Shadow is portrayed in the games, especially by Sega of Japan. I agree with and value every statement both Maekawa and Iizuka make about Shadow. I agree with what Sonic Team says about Shadow. My view of the character is theirs. I have no idea how you manage to spin that into a reframing. I simply like Shadow the way he is presented and the way in which he is viewed by his makers.
>>587604708Imageboards are outdated. I dont come here because i like 4chan, i come here because i wanna talk about sonic without discordfags and twitterfags (which has since become a less successful venture since they started coming here too)
Does krack like ships that rnt shadria anymore? she used to comment on sonadow/shadilver porn
The wind is blowing dicks.
>>587605295What would writer write about writing?
>>587605397Imageboards aren't meaningfully outdated in format. They are better than mainstream social media in format.
