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HOPE SEX
>one piece latinx season (forma de brazil)is ts worth playing again just for teto
>whole match I'm carrying the fucking team>some slenderfag is just crouching and hiding like a bitch>misses every shoot with the slingshotgod fucking dammit
How goes the token grind today?
>>587776924Yeah but be ready to afk xp farm because this shit is slow af to grind. Got like 10 wins since yesterday and only claimed 7 rewards for music pass.
>>587776924again, no >>587776829
>>587776965its not. ill play power hour tomorrow
>>587776949>whole match I'm carrying the fucking team>so I die and I have to expectatewhat with all the retards narrating his shitty matches latelly?No you are not good
>>587776924Just play Squid Game tycoon to get your xp for Teto
>>587777091>rage quitting like a bitch instead of waiting to be rebootedstfu
>>587777181tell us how your next match goes darling
>>587776710>Watch evolvejake video/short>Watch as controller aim assist lets them perfectly track and laser everyone while they fly around with shockwavesIt's actually kind of gross
Tin Sweeney owes me some Japanese pussy.
Exotics are just dropping from normal chests huh? What a weird choice, I just landed on a random poi and I got the Uzi from a normal chest.
>>587776965I've had zero luck. I'm tired and my eyes hurt. My entire body is aching because I'm not moving.
pinky up
>>587777860...Jonesy's tight hole
>>587778103Calm down Hope
>>587777781agreed
QT
>>587776965lots of big juicy gizmos.i got everything else already (minus the golden nig which i dont care about) so i might just wait for the 2nd power hour tomorrow and then grind hard on week 3
>>587777860>the Kernel Hearts devs reposted her doing the emotegotta love devs encouraging gooning
>>587777682this has to be edited. she aint that curvy
>>587776965Going forward I'm just trying to get the lower cosmetics (jam track, loading screen, whatever accessory). Only skin I'd be kind of disappointed in not getting is gold Miku.
OH MAN OH GEEZ RICK I-I-I DUNNO ABOUT TH-THE TRIANGLE STORM SHAPE
>>587778356I see Fernie
>>587778356is that fernet from fortnite?
manifesting token for me and all of my friends
"Baby I don't know when I'm supposed to stop."She warned us since day 1
>>587778661Thanks bro
>>587776965
>>587778661Manifesting nobody here gets the token
>>587776796Kawaii Team Leader constant eye hearts makes it seem like she's horny all the time.
you can get the pirate token drop multiple times in a match.https://x.com/Mello_Naper/status/2121131742581211270
After this season, I'm not touching this game for a long time whether I get the token or not. If they wanted to make people actually sick of playing their game they succeeded greatly.
>>587778661I guess I'm your friend now
the slingshot is fucking cancer, not because it hits hard but because there's not visual sound where the fucking shoot is coming from
>>587776965I grind chests and die to third partyers until I get mad then I draw teto and pretend she ate the person that eliminated me last
Wtf happened to buggys emote? He has one in https://youtu.be/rnjWNafJy8Q?si at 1:37
>>587779183retard
>>587779015>>587779294we will get the token!
>>587779317fucking based, hope it all goes to her tittos
Really should stop searching for the token and get to grinding gold in StW since the event shop is going to have starter pack stuff during Winterfest.
>>587779491said no one ever
>>587776965Now that Nemia's gone I've decided I'm gonna pop it when Fernet is about to leave so that I can grab her and Miku both. Hoping some other good bundles will show up before the two weeks run out but I just know they're gonna fill the shop with shit as soon as I redeem.
does the token exist?
Token tomorrow
I'm playing her game
>>587779663I like the Nintendo level design
>>587779145is she not?
>>587779145>seem like
>>587776965I'm jusy enjoying the peak season without regard for the treasures
Can we bully epic into putting the glasses on commodore jonesy or is it over
If you give up, another anon will take your token that you were grinding so hard for.
how about that ultron skin…
>>587779984But this has been the worst season this entire chapter, what standards are you judging it?
>>587780016if only she actually looked like this instead of the la creatura she is in-game
>>587780132youll get black woman ultron and youll like it
>>587780189what
>>587779474she eated to much and now she can't move
>>587780237heres your skin bro
Tonight the night the token drops
Gooner Team Leader is a mid skin, and a flavor of the monthyou know Im right
>>587780089They could have just left the same ones but its over nigga
>>587780189>is realfucking lol
Necc
>>587780016who the hell is that supposed to be
true?
You know what? I need a smoke and a beer.
>>587780659(*stop drinking my tea and lift my pipe at you*)Go ahead, Sound like a plan.
>two gizmos one after the other like anon posted on the last threadwe loot every single vault btw, every vault chest drop a vault key.
speaking of vaults… how can they drop 15 keys in one match when there are like 6 vaults?!?!
>>587780928cause every key is generic random loot that works on any vault
>>587780269I'm actually going to goon to this later. Nice work.
i have RNG fatigue
NO IDDDDDDDDD
>>587781225you know it's only going to get worse from here
i just watched a motherfucker open 100 chests in a match because he wouldnt even stop to rez and yet not even a single gizmo dropped
>>587781426we've seen a script kiddie teleport around breaking every chest on the map and still only got one gizmo.
>Fill with a guy who's having fun to the point of it kind of being infectious>actually bother to stop chest running and just go fight the last circle with them>I die and drop the fortune plundarrgh, they make a big deal of seeing it>Would've just offered it to him if he wanted it cause I'm already almost at 200K dustoh well
>>587781426because it's still below %1 in chances which is why going after token is retarded
>>587781690i’m not gonna be a retard when i get the token am i?!
>>587780846Tonight seems like a good night to loot.Yesterday I got one gizmo the whole time I played.Tonight, I'm up four so far and vault keys are everywhere.A few nights ago I was swimming in gizmos.
>>587780143>this has been the worst season this entire chapterStrictly going off gameplay it's better than season 3/4 and maybe tied with 1/2, However if you include what the token has done to player behavior and what it represents as a new level of enshittification it's definitely the worst
Bunch of tetos everywhere, that's why i hate when something popular is given for free.
>>587781914>free
>>587781852I'm having this weird theory that if you want everything fast, you need to play day 1 when the loot changes, is incredible I haven't got the car.
>>587781914based gatekeeper
>>587781914You underestimate how many people actually have crew (very few) and how much teto appeals to the absolute casual/normieEveryone on twitter unironically calls Teto the second most iconic Vocaloid, if that does make you realize how casual her fanbase is I don't know what will.
>>587781914This is why I'm happy KTL's dark style is locked behind an extra $10 It instantly cockblocks it from the poorfags.
>>587781914>>587782247>free
If Fortnite has eased off the censorship why doesn't Teto have striped panties, Checkmate atheists.
>>587782132nobody cares about your scrimblos unc
im alive and well, full tummy, zero regrets, ready as heck for gta6 bro
>>587781882What do you mean? This is just a smaller version of runners with a worse map and worse loot pool.
if timmy does this chest loot shit again im unironically uninstalling becuse this is the most cancer shit in the games history.I will take my hope skin and leave with it.
I like the season
I hate the mentally challenged broskis.
>>587782859knowing I have the potential to get this token it's like I don't even want to play normally even though the odds are fuckedit's weird how they haven't really promoted this other than posting the odds after enough backlash
>>587782570Both the map and lootpool are massively better than runners, the only thing arguably worse is the slingshot but runners also had the stink hunting rifle for half of the season.
>>587783008whats the deal with that place i assume its just more chest spawns ? never gone to it though i did pass by on the opposite beach once
>>587782441yjk
>>587782897funny, hilarious, peak japonese humor
>>587783008no ones goes there, you're the handicapped one
>>587783094Decent amount of chests in one area.Problem is that every retard is dropping there at once so you're either gonna lose some chests to someone else or die so its just not worth the effort.
>chest looting on main and an alt on phone in a duo>wonder if alt being idle is messing with the chance to get token>feel like I'll get the token if I go solo on main>have gotten everything else so far except car and skinI'll do three or four matches solo and hopefully I'm not correct.
>>587783008i just leave the game if anyone marks chest
>>587783094Yes, and is stupid because you need to dig the chests when any POI in the fucking map has the same amount or even more, and no digging at all.
>>587783109Its better with audio because Rocky's music kicks in
>>587783101knowers in chat :3c>>587783195>increased chest spawn densityyeah fair enough that makes sense>problem isthat's why i avoided it. seemed like anons were having a bad time there. didnt want the smoke
>>587783008Treasure island is always empty and is a super comfy place to land.
>>587783087No, runners definitely had the better lootpool going for it even at it's worst. It doesn't offer anything new and even the map sucks if you like One Piece.
>>587783406knowing my lobbies this is likely true. my matches are next to frictionless... but anons did make it seem scary.
What happened to buggys emote?
>>587784116that's not an emote his boss version does that
>>587784116why can he do that?
>>587784230Chop Chop
every time I see defaults of free skins I leave, I don't care, I hate smurfs.
>>587784279really? The fucking fruit is Chop Chop Fruit? Jesus what a fucking original name, what's next?
>>587784230Bara Bara No Mi
>>587784412Would you rather nanomachines?
>>587784412It's all puns and literal names that give the powers of, well, what the name is. The biggest twist is that Luffy's Gum Gum Fruit was a lie.
Can I get a uhhhh TOKEN PLEASE
The Luck fairy grants you luck for one (1) single pirate token.
Hey, I could use some advice. I don't actually play Fortnite, but I absolutely love the summer Helsie skin, and I know plenty of other people do too. Do you think it's worth buying her when she returns to the Item Shop and keeping the account as a potential asset to sell in the future, or is that a dumb idea?
i played one match before i got off completely and nothing :/
>>587784230His power lets him segment his body
>>587785351i dont think cumming affects your chances
>>587776965Played some trios with someone I friended from a sprite, already had the back bling and car but they pulled it in one game. Still feel like I'm the good luck charm and can only pull things myself in solos.
>>587785230
>Season full of crossover slop>barely any original skins to speak ofAnyone who thinks this season is good is a genuine tool
what do yall think about the AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
niggas just be saying shit
i will be using my token for kiriko and buying her kiri-toes
sick of seeing tetos, jesus fucking christ.
>>587785492I think it's a shit season for gameplay, but I don't care much for Fortnite originals. There's occasional exceptions, KTL is one, but like, at this point my locker's filling with far more collabs than originals beyond pass circumstances. Most Fortnite originals are just a bunch of churned out generics, internal memes for the game itself, or Tiktok trend slop at this rate.
>>587785775hope she appears the next day the token expires
>>587785967why, she's cute
>>587785967Every teto I see I know there's a sweaty hairy faggot behind the character
>>587785492
>>587786062I have a back up of 8000 bux. the kiri-toes will be mine either way.
>>587786000Battle pass characters used to be good before the collab cancer took over
>>587785456*From a sprite trade
>>587786689Filthy Casuals
build battles are nonsense, who actually enjoys this shit?
>>587786689I'm surprised how many teto tourists there are who didn't show up for miku last year
I'm getting more Gizmos now, 2 to 3 every 2 matches, and is always at night, suspicious.
>>587777839Good luck with the eventual heart problems
>>587787473I wonder how many are gonna die of heart attacks because of this.
i’ve had Kenough! We NEED a Ken Skin
I gave up on the token yesterday after a 3 hour session of getting nothing
>song has cumbersome lyricism about the stagnant life, frequently interrupts its melody, has a music video with stilted dancing done by a character in frumpy clothing with a body type altered to be less Venusian>somehow retards and oldfag LARPers entirely disregard the possibility of any of these being deliberate artistic decisions (not acknowledge them, just oblivious to their existence) and just declare song = bad, western propaganda or algothe media literacy sois were fucking annoying but they were also right about everything
new mastery crap just landed, look at my silly bean!
>>587788206*caresses your asscheeks* haha yeah thats cute
>>587785492>Kawaii Team Leader absolutely destroys everything in popularity this season>Now Miku/Teto dropsThe peak of the season
Sometimes skins are successful even before their game releases.
>>587776965Spent my whole day off and found jack besides gizmos. Got 5 Ws at least, in a normal season I'd be thrilled.The struggle is real. I'm boutta down an energy drink and hop back on in a lil bit.
>>587789157Sex with this treasure map
DAY 13GIVE IT UP FOR DAY 13
I need more sprite gizmos
>every day a new stupid strategy to "improve your chances"Fuck social media to be honest
>>587789157They're so fucking stupid for still holding a grudge over a mistake that was entirely on them and not buying more fan skins
I'm still fairly new (started ch6 s1). I feel like the problem with this game is along the lines of >early fortnite I'd assume had a much tamer loot pool and getting a victory royale for the average player was a big lottery-winning moment that you grinded matches all week for>those conditions are great initially but don't sustain a playerbase long term, epic wanted to add crazy loot and make winning to be more like a 5-10% type thing >the solution is to just pad the lobby with bot players>bots are meaningless as combatants, so the island just feels empty>they end up juicing the fuck out of mobility so you actually move around enough to encounter real players again>the hypermobility is very fucking annoying when in a duel>the hypermobility also allows for fucking egregious degrees of caping and third partying compared to genre norms>bots get so high in number that you start assuming real players are bots and dying as a result which is very fucking annoying>the bots also make it that when you win a match you assume it was one of the ones where the lobby was almost all bots so it feels meaningless >they could lower the player count and make the island smaller, but it'd be a pr nuke since the former is considered too iconic and the latter would make them look lazy >game is kinda just stuck as is
i want to play this game but knowing my teammates will likely be doing the chest hunt instead of actually playing makes me not want to
>>587789801it's kinda kino to me how fortnite has so many atypical players that you can just spread the kinda bullshit rumors that people did for like MMOs and Nintendo Games in 2007
>>587789935you can play reload :)
>>587789801>>587790046Duos partner queued us up in Middle Eastern servers today because he said he saw that token chances are higher in Israel. He wasn't kidding lmao.
only one gizmo, but we won. The Cluster player sounded like a young Zach Hadel.
>>587789935I wish this game had better infrastructure for people who do squads with randoms. Overwatch used to have like a group finding tab where you could advertise what kinda players your looking for, whether you want the group to be in VC or not, and block players with a bad reputation from joining. It was removed since it wasn't that useful for that genre, but in a game like fortnite where every other fucking lobby someone lands on the wrong side of the map or leaves 0.00001 seconds after getting downed, it 'd be a godsend
Spoiler for the end of chapter 7: Geno wins and the current cast is seemly erased from existence as Geno sculpts his new world and in chapter 8 he’s no longer human at all and is instead an entity infused with reality itself. The new cast are people created in his perfect world who end up finding a reason to go against him, and have zero working knowledge of the old reality, human Geno, or that the zero point exists. It’s basically a new storyline for Fortnite
OOOOOH GOD!OOOOOOH MY PENIS!!!AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!
It's going to suck a lot of ass there will be a Teto/Miku I could not obtain through effort
>>587790895don't worry captain x will let us pick 1 gold skin trvst fake btw
>>587791124Too kind of an idea for Epic, also it would make people count on it for future engagement bait
>>587782315her model was old so they use her like a gacha system just like they did the ivy and catwoman summer skins
Wheelchair anon here! Holy fuck the Super Styles for Jones makes him look like a vampire lol. Today I give you a trios dub. This is my dub for day 35 of my Dub a Day challenge. Share your dubs anons! :]
I need the purple one
>>587791124I don't like any of them they look obnoxious like super styles. But I'd pick oscar if they let me.
>>587791124>ugly ass gold skinsYUUCK!!! i'd rather not.In a perfect world the pity reward is a mini token that gives you a free shop but only for 1 day which i'd glady take.
>>587791735>mini token that gives you a free shop but only for 1 dayMan, I'd take a mini-mini token that gives you one (1) free transaction at this point. It can be anything you want, a bundle, a skin, whatever. That's what I originally thought the token would be when it was datamined. That should be the pity system when you reach 5k or 10k chests or something. Fuck, I've been grinding for so long.
>>587791124
>>587792313lmao wtf is that? made me laugh, thanks.
Renewed Crew and got both Teto and Kawaii Team Leader. Today was a good day.
>>587792585teto
>18 mastery reward>same tiny backbling but silver
>3 matches this night>one (1) gizmo
nazi bitch
>GOATani returns while i have the tokenAlready worth using
>>587792947I wish she kept her Nazi backstory so that trans folk wouldn't like her.
i missed solid snake skin forever btw
>>587793050>Xe thinks the nazi to tranny pipeline isn't realroflcopter
The thing is, everyone who is participating this mini season already have the token you only get one at the end of the year, but if get it now you get two one to use now and the other for next year. So go play GTA6 if you want.
is so stupid the reactive style is the last reward from the pass, that's something that should be default with the base skin, epic could use the last reward for a drum kit or something.
Should Plundarrgh get a skin? Hes iconic.
>>587793250
>>587793254That would be cool. I wish they kept adding new sprites to the mech atleast
>>587793254Only if he does that beautiful laugh after opening a chest or elimination.
>>587793294
>>587792815:)
>have sprite hidden>model loading lags for a second>there's a tiny version of it hidden inside the character model
>>587777682God, I wish I was a woman.
>>587793254The Sprite gijinkas are more creative than most of the original shit Epic does now so that means it's never happening. Get ready for ELITE Midas and Frozen Aura next season
>>587777682Brina looks like THAT?
>>587793294Sonic: Where's the Chaos Emeralds?Super Teto:
>>587793254Yes and with a fortune style
>>587793675>Sonicchris chan rape his mother>TetOfatass she ate something sonic
>>587783313AAAAAASSSSSSAAAAAAPPPPPPP
Holy shit, did they finally patch the Battle Bus music to be less grating?
>>587776965>just hit 50 hours playtime>235 matches>probably over 13,000 chests just by myself based on counting my average chests opened during my route, potentially ~40,000 including squadmates>neither gold car decals were pulledi think i'll continue to check in during power hour sessions and get the respective week's rewards (minus the car decals of course) until season close, but otherwise i've had my fill of the casino, it clearly doesn't favor me if i can't even hit the 1:7000 rate for a car via constant squadfills
>>587788019Amateur hourI gave up on the token long ago
Man... i think Buggy is like the coolest anime character I've ever seen>t. has seen roughly about 13 different anime
>>587794378one piece is tranime not aryan anime
>>587794427Technically all anime is Aryan anime aince all Japanese people are honorary Aryans.
>>587794378Watch and read more anime
>>587794427I've only finished the netflix show, and like maybe a couple episodes of the anime when i was a kid. Just seeing him fully modeled in the game makes me realise he's swag as hell.
>>587793876...>>587794221I miss the lyrics...
>been grinding all night with a runny nose switching between slashing enemies and wiping my snot off my face>5 gizmos and nothing else not even the pickaxeFuck
>game placing me in higher skill lobbies because it thinks that me winning games = high skill>can't chest run because compniggers need to get le epic clix killstreak for fnchow do i derank to nintendo switch lobbies so i can safely loot chests without a sperg chasing me across the map for +1 kills
>teammate using the slingshot>misses every single shoot>enemy far ahead>still insisting on using the slingshot on the same enemy>still misses every shootsheesh...
this isn't healthy and something should happen to Epic for this
>>587794292
>>587794378>>587794634>>587794683>>587794753>>587794787stop greentext porn some porn already
>>587794683Just play while listening to podcasts and not paying attention to the game
>see teto emote>look up artist>artist named jamie with overly feminine spotify page>in this genre, really? hmm... let's look i->aaaaand it's a porn-addicted man>even tries to turn teto into a man in music videoI'm sick and tired of these freaks infecting Japanese culture. Archive the emote immediately.
>>587794515I would, brother. If I had anime watcher friends, but my friends are turbo normies (respectful). Got crippling ADHD and cannot sit through fuckin' anything by myself.>>587794879You good bro ?
>>587794935>see teto> time to jerk off> oh i lost my dick cause i cut it a long time ago> im woman now
Otosan, okasan, ima made gomenHiza wo furuwase oyayubi shaburuNiisan neesan sore jaa mata neSaenai kutsunokakato tsubushitaMie hattasaizu de katagami wo toruNandatte iino sa kawari ni narebaAisaretai to kuchi wo koboshitaMotto joubuna hasami deKao wo kiritoru no saZenchi zen'nou no kotoba wo hora kikasete yoNoumiso igai mou iranai toWhy not, I don't knowKin mirai souzou asu no shousou tada yurashite yoNuime no sukima wo umete okureMinasan sayounara sensei ogenki deTakanatta mune ni yodare ga tareruShoujikimon wa nani wo miru? shoujikimon wa baka wo miru!Shoujikimon wa nani wo miru? shoujikimon wa baka wo miru!Aa, kore ja mada tarinai yoMotto ookina mishin de kokoro tsuranuku no saZenchi zen'nou no kotoba wo hora kikasete yoNoumiso igai mou iranai toWhy not, I don't knowKin mirai souzou asu no shousou tada yurashite yoNuime no sukima wo umete okurehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSI7RsjZy1E
>>587794879>porn some porn alreadyWhat exactly are porn trying to porn?
>>587794978>I would, brother. If I had anime watcher friends,You know we have a whole board for that, right?>>>/a/Go watch some anime, fren.
I notice that the free frozen peely and default comfy skins are always bots, because is so fucking weird I can demolish a full squad by myself, I know I'm good but not THAT good.
>>587795147Nah, wasn't aware. Still kinda new to 4chan. Suppose now would be a better time than any to actually try getting into OP. I'll go have a look. You a real one for that, bro.
We deserve token
>>587795630you don't but i do
>>587795454Here's a tip: bots will never EVER use a skin's secondary style, with the only exception being that they use the blue default skins, as you said. If you see anyone wearing an secondary edit style of any skin, that's guaranteed not a bot. This includes super styles. So it's good to know all the skins or at least be familiar with them.
>No token>No cars>No golden skins>Think no tracks even>Game dosen't even drop smokey sprites for me to collect them all>Don't get into Epic's jewish tricks and just play few games now and then. If I get it - I get it. If not - then not.
>>587795853 (me)I was thinking of including this but I decided not to, but I'll put it here for completion's sake.There is one more exception. There are some skins that don't technically have edit styles but do have built-in emotes to transform into their edit styles. These were released around Chapters 2 to 3 and include skins like Tony Stark, OG Lexa, Joey, etc. Bots can randomly hit this emote on Spawn Island and transform, bypassing the style rule. I've only seen a bot do this once in my three years of playing (it was Iron Man), so it's very rare, but it can happen.
>>587794378he's a level 10 thug that rose to level 100 mafia boss by pure chance it's really funny
>everyone in squads farming chests solo in the stormare ya winning, son?
only 1 gizmo on my last match of the night, is so frustrating picking up a key and going to the vault location only to find out he's already looted. Epic needs to put a dissappearing effect on the keys when every vault is already open, you can get your sprite map destroyed when other player dig the chest before you, code the same thing for the keys when the 9 vaults get opened.
>>587797039kys
might be cope but im not sure if i even want the token.most shop skins that I like i already own and i only use like 4 consistently outside of bundle skins and BP skins.
