Welcome to Sonic the Hedgehog General! Here we discuss all things Sonic!/sthg/ #9738 - Never ending birthday Edition==NEWS==>Sonic the Hedgehog's 35th anniversaryhttps://www.sega.com/sonic-the-hedgehog?tab=35th-anniversary>Sonic the Hedgehog 4 on 19 March 2027https://x.com/SonicMovie>Netflix animated series for preschoolers with attitude in productionhttps://variety.com/2026/film/news/crazy-taxi-movie-netflix-sega-sonic-stranger-than-heaven-1236861148/==COMICS==Sonic the Hedgehog #92 - 9 December 2026Sonic the Hedgehog X Godzilla #5 - 16 December 2026Sonic and the Blade of Courage #19 - December 2026==OTHER==>Linkshttps://rentry.org/sthglinks>SAGEhttps://sagexpo.org/>SHChttps://shc.zone/>#10000 Projecthttps://pastebin.com/Fb8Bt4ruPrevious Zone: >>587830494
IDW is trash
5ever
I am going to defeat Ken Penders. Whatever it takes.
How many fucking Shitver threads do we need
Has flynn said anything about the new animation yet? He's always shitting out his #knowingsmiles whenever something he worked on gets released.
>>587853104Happy cnc bd son
Honest THOUGHTS on Silver after all this time? I think he sucks.
Mwahahahahajahahahahahah!>*sigh*
>>587853447we also need an anniversary for the Shadamy wedding
>>587853520Uwuver needed to happen. It sucks and it's OOC but we needed a clear example of a canon, Japanese, game Sonic character being written with the wrong personality in IDW. We learned a lot about the comic just through things like him being allowed.
What did Eggman mean by this?No really, what did he mean by this?
>>587853216Pathetic.
>>587853580Why didn’t Eggman get his own sentimental moment?
>>587853520He sucked in his intro and was never needed at all afterwards. The fact he’s still around shows how much influence that retard Nakamura still has and we should be just as terrified at the thought of him as ST Head as Iizuka
>>587853809wow. bold and cnc
>>587853797I wonder what Shadria haters think of Eremika
>>587852139Amy's character got recently fucked up because Shitga overcorrected in response to how Amy's character originally got fucked up when Cream was introduced
>>587853743He was going to out him as gay
>>587853737Poetically, it was a warning on what would happen later on to sonic himself and other characters.
>>587854225Exactly
>>587853520I will form an oppinion when he makes his big debut in the games again. And I mean an actual debut, not shit like Frontiers where he isn't even playable. Or maybe the movies
>>587853809kino
>>587854180>Not even there anymore and still blaming CreamWhy blame the character and not the shit fucking writing decisions. Devs are the problem in both instances
>>587853447>>587853647You guys got metamy before shadamy crumbs
>>587849723>>587849820Would be pretty kino for Shadow 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTvW8UauRI4
>>587854406We will wait for our turn
*headpats your OC*
Will krack continue spamming archive screenshots
The way I see some people draw Sonic make me think that they just hate him
>>587853797
>>587854381Because Cream was poorly conceived in the first place. She's a bad sidekick for Amy because she has no reason or intention to admire Amy, and as her own character, she's just a bootleg with less value and less reason to show up
>>587853216Cute.
Sonic
>>587854496CnC!
>>587854038Mikasa still found a man despite never forgetting Eren though.
>>587853797He was vindicated in the end + not the true ending since the author admitted on cucking out
So music data is in Sonic Origins is held by Retroengine/RDSK but is sent to the Hedgehog engine via "rfl" files that are readable via hex editting.Any coders here? Any idea where the data for the start and stop of said OGG music files would be? Are they in the rfl files?
>With MariaTail up>Without MariaTail down
>a jap sonic fan called the animation "trendy hard to watch battle scenes"Surprised nobody brought this up. Should Sonic fights be slower and less action packed?
>>587853104>Better art that is not gayYou guys came in a long way, not bad.
>>587855195i called it overanimated like 3 threads agolike they're trying too hard to make it epic so it just ends up being hard to follow instead
Why was that retard bitching about Amy fans here ruining threads? Does he mean actually caring about her character and talking whenever Sega shits on her? The shipping discourse? I separate Sonamy fans and Amy fans at least here because I myself and I've seen enough here to know most of us just enjoy the dynamic one-sided but Sonic isn't negatively dismissive of her presence. And yeah, Cream should only be a one-off and is a detriment to Amy, so it could be a bitter Creamfag.
>>587855195>I want less action in my action franchiseI think some people should be put down
>10 years and still no official sonic animation better than Sonic Boom Rise of Lyric
>>587855195This scene is fine. The problems start when camera starts shaking, moving arbitrarily etc later during the fight
>>587854903>she has no reason or intention to admire AmyThis. When have I ever read how Amy impacts Cream like Sonic does to both she and Tails?
>>587853520I think he's the best, was born in a pile of shit, his parents abandoned him and his foster parents abused him, but he prevailed on his own, that says a lot about him (pic not related)
>>587855195Let us have this, before we go back to Sonic Team's Family Guy cutscenes
>>587853520He's whatever
>>587855432That game had really good character animations but terrible writing and broken gameplay. I still don't know why Sonic Team wasn't able to capture the smoothness of those animations in Frontiers
Hey lady, could you lift me up? I can't reach the cookie jar.
>>587855194dow tail?
>>587855358i can get being angry but having daily threads about amy can get old fast. as well as getting daily threads about silver and blaze. I have been for a while and whole threads were derails with amy bullshit. usually sparky getting baited or sonamyfags seething about Ian
>>587855831You can fly silly
>>587855195He's not talking about that part, but the second half with Super Metal, which feels something like JJK and such anime.
>>587855831Stop avatar fagging or i will suffocate you with boobs
this is animated better than m&bhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUf4Pg2Wtfg
>>587855986...pwese? muh tails are tired...
>caught a 2 hr because of some retard shitposting in /co/ in my rangeWell I'm back, and there's nothing you can do about it now
>>587855195JJK and Demon Slayer RUINED anime fight scenes FOREVER
>>587852349Hollow celebration. That's what this entire anniversary is.
>>587853104We are fucking today till the sunrise
>>587853104How could you make Silver's unique psychic gameplay work in a complementary way with Sonic's usual mechanics and level design?
>>587856081*avatarfags even harder*KILL ME WITH YOUR MILKERS ALREADY
>>587853520He's symbolic of the piles of coke sonic team and sega were sniffing in the 2000s. They thought he was going to be the "third headliner" of the franchise and they couldn't even make sure he was actually functional in Sonic's game first
>>587856562It’s not hollow. It hit every beat it needed to. Acknowledging every single little game and character would be stupid and unnecessary, and cause even more bloating that YOU also whined about. Drop it dork
>>587855350you have no idea what overanimation and hard to follow fights are
>>587856739You're the one who can't handle people not liking short.
True romance. Surge is free, like the wind.
>>587856647You don’t
>>587855963Again shipping discourse has nothing to do with Amy discussion, that's another ballpark and Duo makes it a bigger problem by personally advocating it because his OTO got deconstructed constantly. On the case about her characterization I see it no different than Krack with Shadow, windfags with Sonic, all the constant complaints Tails sitting out on action sequences, etc, Amy shouldn't be the only exception here, these are legacy characters and they're going to be the most topical discussions on here.
>shows up randomly with no real explanation>does basically nothing the entire time>fucking dies We need to talk about how shit 06 treated her, and how it was so bad, it still affects her to this day
>>587856851You don’t like it for retarded and contradictory reasons
Can we get some REAL crack pairings up in here?
>>587856949Who the fuck is that?
>>587856949What we NEED to talk about is how many of you are from twitter
>>587856747this has the same energy of the part where super metal charges his kick
>>587856929all those get shat on regularly too
>>58785694906 is jap kino
>>587857068Prime goon fanfiction here: >>587856869
>>587856949They wanted to make her Silver’s Tails. Think of that whatever you want, but I say just vault them both and stop caring
>>587855413Action in Sonic has always been pretty subdued in the games. It took until Forces to see Sonic actually throw a punch in a game. (Battle and Fighters are outliers because they were specifically fighting games)
>>587856949I thought 06 was trying to retcon Rush so Blaze is just from the future and Rush never happened
>>587856949Blaze exists only for muh shipping, nothing else.
>>587856949Without 06 her only character grace is rush adventure, and its worse than episode 4You fans than will whine about how 06 didn't bring her up, so no we're not conversing about a deadbeat topic
>>587856734>I dont think its unsalvangeable. I just don't not like the comments made downplaying the obvious history and complications that came with her inclusion in the past.>>587856464Agreed>>587852738Surge lit it on fire.>>587852829>deny Cream's friendshipI didn't.>canon dynamic with AmyDecribe the dynamic.
Amy is cute. Surge is fucking ugly
>>587856949I wonder how Blaze would be handled today if 06 was successful and the franchise was rebooted around it.
Sonic Mania ruined Sonic
>>587853520I despise SSS and thibk he shpuld have never been a hedgehog or gotten a superform or had CC.Outside of that, he's okay. Psychic powers are cool. Timetravel is cool.Shitver is okay.
>>587857590What does she say in Japanese
>>587857204Not sure what you want, I'll post things I enjoy about the new animation, look forward to the trailer and hope for the best, I don't read comics, Blade of Courage got my attention for Amy's faithful depiction (glad she's sticking around too) I honestly feel no one in Sonic Team can develop a game any more which is why it's taken too long for the Frontiers successor and have accepted the multi-media becoming more dominant than the game direction.
>>587853520He's 2000s shonen protagonist the Hedgehog. He's endearing but I don't think he's the greatest character ever with the way people talk about him. Maybe it's cause I've grown out of being a chuuni.
>>587857329Not really Silver never needed anyone to be his Tails given rivals he had Espio as a his ally, just a friend to be sacrificed at the end for him to feel bad, so changing her with another human oc from Soleanna would've been a better choice. the reason why she's there is for Blaze to be in mainline so she could suck off some relevance.
>>587857690これを読んでいるなら、あなたはゲイです
>>587853520Evan ruined his character
this cheap-ass babynic game could give amy a believable bond with a new character in one level with no dialogue but modernshit couldn't make amy and cream a believable friendship with three games and an anime
>>587857709Are they actually gonna continue with this “core 4 but yuta instead of tails” bullshit? It’s actually infuriating how much Imada hates him
fav pairing
>>587853520Evan saved him by giving him so much love in the comics
>>587857641>samfagging
>>587857068They definitely didn't write this with the intent of being interpreted as Sally developing a new crush buuuutttttttt....
>>587853520superfluous character who genuinely has zero reason to come back, i don't hate him though
>>587857838That implies he was good to begin with to even ruin. I know some of you want to sneak that he wasn't so bad, but he was. new silver or old silver. he stinks either way.
>>587857876I think it's because Cream and Amy aren't, "wholesome" friends, Amy's got a lot to look pass and Cream is overly honest.But friendships can go past that.Now Trip and Amy is just Amy being nice to someone, that's not really friendship, that's just getting paid back for selfless kindness.
>>587854180Well said. Also Cream is consistently presented with Blaze over Amy whenever she appears. She was with her in Generations. Its not even a shock because both are Nishiyama's pet characters and Cream was instrumental to Blaze's development. I dont get why a Creamfag would downplay this. Do you just...not like Cream? Helping Blaze is the most important thing Cream ever did.
>>587857881I do feel for Tails fans the most of BoC. It's like every Sonic work has to throw a bone to every character group but one or few significantly get fucked over like a monkey paw.
>>587856949No shitazefag, we're not going to talk about you or about how 06 did nothing to her and she was just always a shit character with no backbone to exist in the first place.
>>587857176no
I hate japan, pedos and i hate cream
>>587857640Sonic Mania saved Sonic.
>>587857053Literally all i said was agreeing with people while adding more reasons. And there was no contradiction.
>>587856949This dogshit deviantart oc got what she deserves. Fuck Rush
>>587857968What the actual fuck.
>>587856210When the guy who made this died it was the first and only time I cried for an "e-celeb" death. Sonic will never inspire pure kino like this again...
>>587857279He said crackship.
>>587858097>Amy and Trip aren't friends
>>587853520He looks cool, has cool powers, and Bryce Papenbrook is a good voice actor for him. I want to see him be playable in the next mainline game
Cream with Blaze>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cream with A*y
F.E.A.R. 2 wasn't that bad or bad at all.
>>587858523They probably are now, but you're comparing when they first met to how Cream and Amy act already knowing each other.Would you call the random guy who helps push your car out of the road a friend? No, that was just a cool dude, maybe you'll see him later, but you don't have any connection.
>>587854381Cream's addition WAS the poor writing decision. The reason thebproblem happened is because of who and ehat Cream is. Not just because someone just decided to write Amy different whenever Cream was prominent or relevant by pure coincidence.The other week I got into an argument with Dougecel trying to downplay Amy's calling Rouge out for abusing E10000B in FreeRiders because Cream monopolize the dialogue surrounding the conflict, resulting in Amy being mostly remembered for being annoying about Sonic.This isn't a coincidence and I would apreciate it if you stopped pretending it is.If your idea of Cream being a good inclusion is "Making Amy spazz out so Cream can call her out for it and look good by conparison" people aren't gonna like it. So best instead we figure out a new dynamic for them instead.
>>587858136Genuinely KysBlaze is the one that completely reduced Cream from a character to a background little child that can't function anymore, you had to abuse a child to be someone, and you're still no one, the moment you leeched off of Cream drying her out from being existent anymore, you decided to go for Silver because you're fucking trash, superfluous, redundant, crippled and a parasite.
How can we fix Blaze?
>>587856229Okay fine come here you goober
>>587858287You said it felt bloated while wanting to add even more bullshit references. Make up your mind or stfu
>>587858451I thought the guy who made that was transexual>>587858743It made Amy more fun,but there's people (like you) that hate it when a character acts in a way that would annoying in real life, like them being goofy has real world consequences, which is retarded.That's like hating Homer Simpson, cause in real life, his antics would endanger people.
>>587858770>thanks for the tea party cheese... it really meant a lot to me...
>>587858097What friendship is there? Even Sonic doesn't give Tails as much trouble as Cream does Amy. What is even the point of them being around each other?
>>587856647you can't. silver's original mechanics are completely at odds with traditional sonic gameplay. the only way to get him to work is to concede most of his identity making him into a tails clone. lucky for him frontiers exists so now there is no longer any issue
>>587858456Duofag's version of their dynamic is as crack as it gets.
>>587858760Yeah that's perfect. Both of Nishiyama's pet characters are leeches
>>587853104sex
>>587858770God, she looks like she would squeek if you squeezed her, she looks like a plush toy. Crossworlds really did a lot right with Cream, and actually using her new voice, holy shit, her new voice is wonderful>>587859048You seem like a tough person to be friends with, you keep tallies of everything you do for your friends, how many times they annoy you?They get along, have fun, bicker a lot, they're friends.Jesus.
>>587855195I liked it but on my first go, the later scenes were admittedly harder to follow. I feel like this hets excused more nowadays because of the internet which lets people rewind or slow down things. In the past, I dont think that kind of thing would be seen as acceptable. But nowadays its become pretty popular.
>>587858574Amy* doesn't need Cream.
>>587858805>"Silver never helpes her!">*hated when silver helped her*>"she should be with sonic">*hates how she's a shipbait*>"she should be in this dimension">*hates how she's in this dimension*>"she should be more competent than in Archie">*hates how boring she is*>"she should be in her dimension">*hates how she's never brought up* Give up, Vault her.
>>587858686>Tails and Sonic can't be friends after Sonic 2, Tails is just some random guy that fixed Sonic's plane.
>>587856949*AHEM*
>>587859003Nah, the guy who made Aeon (the villain OC) became a cockchopper, he's still alive. BlackDevilX was the main guy who created it. He had a wife and kids and died of a heart attack at 35 on vacation in Aruba.
>>587858809dankeeeeee
>>587858805Gotta refine about 8 more other characters before getting to her.
>>587856949she did more than Knuckles and Tails combined
>>587859421That's opposite of the first thing I said.Guess you don't really have an arguement
Memories and Beyond if it was actually good.
>>587855358>bitter Creamfag.It is a Creamleech, but I am willing to talk with them if she can just admit Cream was a problem instead of deflecting.I wanna talk solutions.
>>587859387That is actually a good argument, the duo of Blaze and Cream is not a good duo even if they had better history, since Blaze can't work her nostalgia without Cream, but Amy and Cream very much can.
>>587859456The guy used someone else's oc for his own series' antagonist? Weird,and aw, that's sad, and worrying, that's close to my age.I better take care of myself.
>>587858097So Amy has to become more erratic than she used to be just so Cream can be a voice of reason she didn't need
>>587856623the spaghetti limbs make them extra fruity
>>587855963>sonamyfags seething about IanIts not even a Sonamyfag. Its an anti-IDWfag using it as a cudgel.We dont think Ian is trying to sabotage Sonamy. We just think Ian is a bonehead and didnt get the character, lol.
>>587859559Like?
Amy is the real leech.
>>587855358>>587859758Ooh, we're schizoing.I can't argue with you cause you keep thinking the multiple voices you're hearing are what I'm saying.I get why you're taking everything I say wrong.
>>587859871mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmIt can go either way for me.I think removing Amy's age, changing her personality to be a nagging cartoon sitcom mom, and making her mention Sonic less is very possibly Ian trying to remold Amy to fit his tastes for masturbation.
>>587859898guided Silver through the story, while Knuckles and Tails are eclipsed by a nonplayable character. Pathetic
>>587859871yeah yeah the boogeyman did it and "we are actually shill and misunderstood" I know
>>587858805Goes without saying, no one knows what they really want from herBut since i'm here, what do you guys want from Blaze?
>>587856647if we're talking strictly 2D the best idea i got is making him play like a faster version of Klonoa
>>587859576Right, mistyped but Tails and Sonic became friends during their adventure on Westside Island, and currently they became friends after Sonic helped him with the bullies before that adventure.
>>587859435This is a meme, but the actual idea, whether if was going to be a thing or not, was just bad.
>>587856949>is in the future being Shitver's tardwrangler. >Goes to the past with him and I his voice of reassurance when he is lost.>Shitver finds a way ro beat Iblis>The story cucks him out of getting to beat his villain so Blaze can be a girlboss and seal the demon inside herself because she is thr Mary Sue fire princess chosen one, not himWhat version of 06 did YOU play?
>>587860086? calling him a fucking retard and then dipping off is...guiding?
>>587859606Buddy we need villains. Shard would stack heroes side even more than it already is.
>>587859732Yeah. Don't know the details, he started it back in 2004 when OC sprite edits were popular. Take care of yourself anon, live a long life doing what you love.
>>587859916I'm just going off of one bullshit post that was said in the previous thread.
>>587860213Okay.But the point was, you were comparing Amy and Trip's first meeting with how Amy and Cream act around each other on a daily basis.You're not going to drop your guard around people you just met and are going to try and be more pleasant.It's not really an apt comparison.
>>587858219>Pain sharkSonic characters with thi-Its Shadow because he can turn into a squid and would unironically "my pain is greater than yours" before getting his cheeks clapped by the MC
>>587860348she told Silver what to do several times
>>587859913Shitting on a legacy isn't going to make your favorite girl any more relevant.
>>587859340Name one thing Cream genuinely admires about Amy
>>587860678She's nice to have at tea parties and shares a lot of common interests.
>>587860678They help each other when needed.
>>587860678She helped her find Chocola(?)
>>587860678They like each other and enjoy hanging out.Are you wanting them to be like, soul mates or something anon? They're just friends, Jesus you give everyone you hang out with a questionare?I'm thinking anon might be a chick, cause guys don't question friendships this much holy shit.
>>587860937cool art, too bad the artist drew boots instead of shoes
>>587860678They're both foids so they admire nothing. They just play social spite games with eachother like most foid friendships are.
>>587860492Not even once, Mephiles, Amy and Shadow did, and he figured out most things on his own, she told him a fun fact about the chaos emeralds thought, i guess that's something
>>587857876Real. Sometimes I get the sense Nishiyama didnt like Amy getting paired with Amy to begin with.Meanwhile Oshima actually LIKES Amy and made Trip with them bonding in mind from the start.>>587858097This argument is weird. You can say the same thing about Cream then. The only reason they even teamed up was because Amy was helping her find Chocola. The difference is Superstars actually sells me on how and why her and Trip bonded so I cam be invested in their friendship.
>>587859871Ian Flynn admitted in his Bumblekast that he wrote Amy the way he did in Frontiers in order to get her to stop loving Sonic. He's trying to sabotage
>>587859650Re-release Sonic Advance 2 and make Amy playable from the goddamn startGive Amy her own ChaoMake Cream cynical and write the stories to prove her wrong
>>587861114Anon, you're way too far back in the conversation, I'm not repeating everything we've added to the talking points about this.
>>587861091Sonic's shoes are (supposed to be) folded down boots, I don't mind.
Here's what you cunts needA team based game that when both teams meet they have a shipping moment instead of a fight.
Sonic and Tailshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6yg4ImnYwA&t=549s
>>587859913Sissynic is the real leach
>>587853104>>587853520>20 years since 06>bro got nothing for his birthday >wasn't even in the anniversary animation I think he could have been great with a better execution but it's undeniable that he's Sonic equivalent to Cousin Oliver from Brady Bunch or Scrappy Doo from Scooby-Doo because bro is the best example of when a company adds a new character, expects them to be a hit but they're a massive failure.
>>587860678https://youtu.be/e4HksqaoLvY?t=1894
>>587854596Sonic would do this!
>>587855195I don't give a fuck what roaches on gook twitter are saying
>>587859726I dont get the argument. Amy doesnt need Cream for anything. Blaze needs Cream because she needs someone more sociable to balance her out .Amy is usually the upbeat the sociable one. In fact, forget Cream. Have Blaze hang out with Amy.
Alright, I'm way too slow at drawing, I'm going to continue my whiteboard tomorrow
>>587860174Silver's girlfriend
Rev up those bestiechippers the besties are getting riled up again.
>>587861163>Give Amy her own Chao>Make Cream cynical and write the stories to prove her wrongYou lost me with this stuff.
>>587855195It’s all style with barely any substance.
>>587861661How do we solve besties problem
>>587855413Silver Chao the HERO
>>587861810That’s Sonic in general
>>587860459Amy and Cream never had a believable friendship in the first place. Amy wasn't even in Sonic Advance 2 unless you 100% the damn game, and the whole time Cream is following Amy in Heroes is because she wants something
>>587861924More Amy slander seems to usually work.
Metal is more Sonic than Sonic
>>587861456FRIENDnic
>mfw I go from being royalty in another dimension to having my timeline irreversibly altered so I was always the gay lantern's therapy animal/mom/girlfriend>mfw they also erased sidekick
>>587861107except that time she convinced Silver they have to kill Sonic, or literally the beginning of the game telling Silver where Iblis is, or when Silver is alone and inmediately starts looking for Blaze like a dgo
>>587862007How is their friendship unbelievable?>TWO LITTLE GIRLS THAT ENJOY TEA PARTIES? FUCKING, THAT'S WOULDN'T HAPPEN!What do you mean? You're just saying it over and over. We've seen them hang out together. Friendship established.
>>587861582Good progress anon, but I'm confused. Is Sonic dodging Mephiles' attack?
>>587862152I've said before, that maybe the Amy love being written out actually makes sense in universe, cause who would crush over a version of Sonic being written by Ian?
>>587862369No, he's skewered,maybe I should move the beam a little left,
>>587860867Lul.>>587860739>comon interestsSuch as?>>587861076Anon...>>587861126I do think he was trying to "fix" Amy. I don't think he was mainly focused on trying to sabotage Sonamy. If anything I think what he was doing is worse, but also not malicious.A lot of the shit happening wirh Amy started before he showed up.The real people to blame are just SonicBoomers and shiptards hating Amy for being pink girly and outspoken, and woketards now.Putting it all on Ian makes no sense. Ive seen him write versions of Amy that are more faithful, even if OoC.>>587861242Im caught up and you didnt add shit lol>>587862007This>>587862193Amy doesnt particualry enjoy Tea Parties. Amy is into shopping, going fighting and chasing Sonic on his adventures and sightseeing.Doing tea parties is actually only ever shown to be a thing she has done with Blaze.If Amy has ever done it, it has been to humor Cream really.In my ideal world, Amy's thing with Cream would be to get her out of her comfort zone and get her to live a little instead of being so conservative. But I dont see the longterm benefits of that direction either because then it makes Cream even less distinct from Amy over time.
Honest to God, as someone who engaged with a lot of Sonic media during the 2000's I never really got the feeling that Cream and Amy were "good friends". Like yea, they worked together nicely but I always had the impression that they were a team more from circumstance and less because Cream actually wants to be around Amy. Basically I got the impression they were just "the girls" of the cast so they had to stick together. If you actually read a lot of Cream's dialog, you'll notice that she actually takes potshots at Amy a few times. That's not something she does with Blaze. I dont think they dislike eachother it's just that Amy is "too much" for Cream because she's a "proper" girl.
>>587862150He is also, CANONICALLY the WEAKEST RoboSonic.
It's funny how every release of Sonic content with Ian's name on it further damages his reputation.
>>587862153Blazefags pretend her beinf royalty drom another dimension doesnt exists the second they think thry can shove her with sonic or agendafag her into being in the core cast.
>>587862163>except that time she convinced Silver they have to kill SonicMephiles did, she was a null factor>telling Silver where Iblis isThat's not guiding, that's asking for help>Silver is alone and immediately* starts looking for Blaze like a dog*That's also not guiding, and he gave up on her comically very fast.
>>587861581Wouldn't Blaze and Amy's dynamic be comedic as in Blaze can't handle Amy's energy?
>>587862153Do Blazefags love having hallucinations?
>>587862553Oh I see lol
>>587861716Sonic and Tails both have their own planes but Amy can't have her own chao? And Cream being cynical of Amy’s spiritualism is nothing new. The story would just need to prove Amy’s intuition correct. But no, god forbid anyone leeches from Cream or proves her wrong.
Replacing Amy with her Boom iteration makes a lot of sense if you grew up in the 00's. Amy was grinding gears with literally every character in the franchise including characters that were supposed to be her foils because she was way too emotional and pixie manic. All she would do every game is talk about how much she loved Sonic and how she was going to get them and every character found it annoying. I'm sure the intention was always for it to be a joke but the pattern they set lasted for almost 15 years before Boomy came in and re-established how she and others interacted.
>>587862559>Basically I got the impression they were just "the girls" of the cast so they had to stick together.Because that literally was what it was. In Welcome to the World of Sonic. Blaze and Cream have eachother listed as best friends. No mention of Amy for Cream.When Team Rose was originally conceived, ot was literally Amy, Cream Rouge because they are the girls and we are making the easy mode for girls.Amy and Cream i think is probably a case of fanon material boosting the perception of it a lot more than canon material.Ive seen decent fan material with the two. Though its always slice of life stuff tbf.
>>587861518>bro got nothing for his birthdayMany merchandise what do you mean?
>>587862726>Mephiles did, she was a null factorno? After Amy Blaze had to convince Silver>That's not guiding, that's asking for helpthe cope>That's also not guiding and he gave up on her comically very fast.it shows he needs guiding
>>587863145My hero.
>>587862584Why is Toyoda saying this on his personal twitter like some limpwristed loreteam fuck? WHAT IS ACTUALY GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENE HERE IF JUDY FUCKING TOYODA CAN'T SAY THIS THIS ON OFFICIAL CHANNEL
>>587863145he should be doing this expression instead
now laugh
>>587861661>>587861924>>587862053You cockroaches can't do shit to us. We survived archie, we survived 06, we survived every dumbass pseudo-reboot Sega attempted and we'll be here as long as there's a dime to be made off this blue rat
>>587862558>Amy doesnt particualry enjoy Tea Partiesuh... I don't think that's ever said.>shown to be a thing she has done with Blaze.You can have tea parties with more than one person, what is it like cheating on someone?>If Amy has ever done it, it has been to humor Cream really.Okay, that's an interpretation.>In my ideal world-There.Anon, no one said you can't interpret Amy how you want.You shouldn't run in though and get uppity if others are talking without considering the lens you're wearing to look though.Amy and Cream are friends, that's what the franchise has established. You saying they aren't fit, then proceed to claim Amy wouldn't like anything Cream likes if entirely your interpretation. Which, since she hangs out with Cream, clearly she does. There's your evidence.
>>587862736It would be Amy tardwrangling her similar to Silver, with Amy taking her do do things out of her comfort zone and getting her to be less stuffy and serious and let loose.I'd love to see her take Blaze shopping.
>Muh BlazeComic-wise? Just give her a dedicated issue with, idk Amy and Cream. Maybe have her fight someone formidable and let her win with no helpGames? lol lmao
>>587863248>no? After Amy Blaze had to convince SilverNope, he's gone to look for more answers after Amy shook his morals, than Mephiles showed up and pushed him further >the copeI don't see Blaze saying "he appeared again" than a random citizen saying the same thing>it shows he needs guidingIt shows he cares about someone
>>587863494I will, but this one doesn't work very well.
>>587863316He doesn't work at Sega anymore
>>587863316>Toyoda"Judy Totoya" is Yasushi Yamaguchi's pseudonym.
>>587863316That’s *Totoya to you, don’t confuse him with that hack Toyoda
>>587863742>>587863748anons can't read a joke blurb
>>587862152This one only does the fat Deku voice.
>>587863606>use Amy and Cream as props for Blaze and have not needing their help and just defeat OC n°78The irony.
>>587863905Brother, how was that even constructed as a joke?
>Steals Amy's Tails and drags her to the vault with her>Leaves her own Tails behind in the dust>Abandons her kingdoms>Needs Silver to be relevant>Has no place in the canonBlaze is genuinely such a nuisance fucking character oh my god
>Stop using Blaze like a prop>Use others as props for her insteadDeadbeat character.
>>587863964Oh my fucking god you autistic redditor sonic fan, jesus fucking christ>erm, how is that a joke, er, what's the punch line?And I also am reading that with the lowest fattest voice I can produce.THE DUDE'S NAME IS TOTOYA, AND ANON CALLED HIM TOYODA, IT'S NOT DEEP FUCK
>>587863954Well, who else would it be? Sonic or Silver? They steal the spotlight.
This random fatass? He's like the wind!
>>587864219If you're nothing without the spotlight, you don't deserve it.
Whisper!
>>587864191You fucks are so bad at jokes. This is the only place where I ask what's even the joke and a sperg loses their shit like I'm not understanding their prime comedy. Bro, it's just you.
we're gettin a toyoda?
>>587864387Sonic should learn karate.
>>587864483It wasn't even a joke, it was just to be funny, STOP BEING SO FUCKING AUTISTICWould you laugh if I upvoted the joke?
>>587863954>>587864067>>587864094All the problems would be solved if they bothered using the character made for her instead abandoning her after 2007 and passing Blaze around like a blunt
>>587862736Yeah but Amy would actually have room to be the sweet one without Cream sucking up all the airtime
>>587864627>Hey what about this character that nobody cares about
>>587863704don't you think that all these grasping at straws proves my point that Blaze is more important that Knuckles and Tails in 06?
>>587864191That’s not a joke it’s a mistake
>>587864593Dude, it's pretty clear you're the autisic one here. Next time, tell an actual joke.
>>587863041>Sonic and Tails both have their own planes but Amy can't have her own chao?Odd comparison.Sonic has the Tornado so he can have something for Tails to fix and for him pilot so he can fly him around. Later Tails makes his own plane as part of his arc of individuation.How is giving Amy a chao at all the same thing? Amy doesnt have a reason to have a chao. Heck if anything she is usually associated with Flickies/Birdies.If the idea is supposed to be to give Cream a thing to help Amy with, it doesnt really work. Sonic having a plane to fly places has obvious utility to him, even without Tails. Amy doesnt have a reason to have a chao here, and even if she did I dont see on what way Cream's presence would meaningfully necessitate ir support Amy in regards to things she actually does.If it was an idea for like a 1 off side quest on a RPG or something and you could raise a chao and ask her for Chao tips or offer your chao for special chao training, that could be okay. But as a founding aspect of their dynamic as characters? I dont see the vision.>And Cream being cynical of Amy’s spiritualism is nothing new. The story would just need to prove Amy’s intuition correct.I don't have a problem with people being skeptical of Amy's fortune shit, but Cream doesnt strike me as the skeptical or cynical type? When she meets Amy's in Rush, she has full confidence in her "sonic sense" since its worked before in past games. I saw it more as just Cream finding the idea odd at dace value ratyer than her being a particuarly skeptical or cynical person.In Sonic Battle, when Sonic tells her Emerl's soul is still with them in the emeralds, she accepts the notion.Again, the obious thing imo opinion would to have Amy clash with Cream being raised overly conservative to get her to loosen up a little, but I find that would be corrupting her , which i dont think Creamfags want.
>>587864497hop in, loser
>>587864757Silver and Blaze should never be more important than Tails and Knuckles >06 is garbage Point proven
>>587863113Amy could just be around Sonic and Tails without drama before that shitstain Cream showed up
>>587864757Without her the story would've ran smoothly, without Tails and Knuckles the story would be lacking.
Surge being casually emotionally and physically abusive to Kit is really funny to me for some reason. It just hits right. Nothing against Kit, he's just a really good punching bag. Some of you may not be ready for this TRUTH.
>>587864728Can't expect people to care when she's not used past her debut game, a handheld game no less. Maybe if they utilized her along with the character she's made to be with because she share the same origin, things would be different but instead we get five arguments a day on which character Blaze needs to leech on to stay relevant instead
>>587863113NuGame Amy isn't written like Boom Amy. Also Lost World was already a yhing iirc? The resemblance is mostly necause they have the same voice actress. NuAmy has resemblance only insofar as she is subdued by comparison. But it isnt a port. I've seen Boomyfags that dont like NuAmy.
>>587864986>Without her the story would've ran smoothly Without her Silver would be lost on what do
>>587864765You're a mistake!>>587864776I wasn't even that anon, me and everyone else just hates those retards that always have halt everything and talk over everyone with their 3 chins>"erm, I don't know if that constitutes a joke"I'm helping you. Don't do that.Ah fuck it, you aren't aware enough to get it, you'll just forget this thinking everyone who constantly gets frustrated by your existence is just weird. Whatever.
>>58786498606 wouldn't be the same without Blaze's sacrifice06 would be the same without Tails and Knuckles
>>587864990She’s a weak bitch that can’t do anything without him, so it comes across as stupid.
>>587864971>before that shitstain Cream showed upThe true agenda that lays beneath saying "Cream works better with Blaze" you just want her vaulted with Blaze because of a problem you made up in your head
>>587862926That sounds like a good dynamic>>587864647Good. I hate how Cream turned Amy into an uncontrollable hothead and jerk in Sonic Battle just so Cream could look like the nice voice of reason
>>587862584>finally gets some aura after the Death Battle and the animation making him cool >Toyoda confirms that he's just a speed merchant and Mecha Sonic is way above him So does that mean that SMBZ had the right idea all along to have him vore Mecha Sonic to assume his power?
>>587865240Blaze's sacrifice is literally meaningless because it gets overwritten in the rest of story afterwards. She literally does nothing but show up and die and has nothing to do with the final segment that actually saves the world
>>587865240And that’s why 06 sucks. It shelves good characters and gives bad characters importance
>>587864971You've really overstated the problem.And, what are you even talking about? She was with Cream in Heroes, and uhh...That's pretty much it. She's sometimes around Cream in the IDW comics, but so is everyone.
>>587862558>A lot of the shit happening wirh Amy started before he showed up.Ehh... Kinda. The barebones writing that was basically just "girl who loves Sonic" happened under Pontaff and only because they didn't really know any better. To an extent, I can forgive it. Ian clearly has ideas on how he wants Amy to be rather than working with how Amy is, like how he talks about how he doesn't even like how she dresses and just wants her to look and act like Boom Amy. Amy hasn't been written particularly well since Unleashed, but it's been way worse since Ian came into the picture in official works. Replacing Pontaff with someone who actually knew Sonic was supposed to be an improvement, but it turns out Ian doesn't really know SegaSonic (and openly dislikes it), just Archie. And the results, especially for Amy, have been awful. CrossWorlds Amy has been the biggest example of "Ian you need to stop, please, Ian, please stop" since he started. He's gotten worse, not better.
>>587865427not only you ignore everything about Silver needing guidance, you also ignore the part of the story where Silver realize if the future was worth being saved at all in the end. God are you stupid>>587865474fuck off core 3 fag
>>587865474If this was about anything before, now it's just a tantrum.
>>587865663The character that Silver gets guidance from didn't have to be Blaze. You will never convince me that character was ever necessary in any shape or form
>>587865474I want to know what demon possessed Sonic Team to think it was a good idea to put Sonic, Tails and Knuckles on the backburner chasing a princess so the edgy new OCs can handle the real plot. For fuck's sake that is something 14 year old fanfic authors do to make their OCs look cool and powerful and these are adults which should know better than to perform such awful cliches.
>>587863556>uh... I don't think that's ever saidWhat isnt ever said is her enjoying them. Youre trying to argue that the negative has to be proved.>You can have tea parties with more than one person, what is it like cheating on someone?My point is to say that it is the kind of thing a peeson like Blaze would do because she is formal and a princess. Amy is rowdy and rambunctious. It doesnt make sense to assume apropo of nothing its something she is into.>>587863556>Anon, no one said you can't interpret Amy how you want.That's....not what i did? Could you finish reading the post this time before flying off the handle?>Amy and Cream are friends, that's what the franchise has established. When? I am not even saying they aren't but when has this been established? This is literally a big part of the problem. What is there frienfhsip built on beyond "she is a girl and her and Amy standing together vaguely mirrors Sonic and Tails"?Even putting that aside, people dont have an obligation to like or agree with it regardless. Heaven knows Sonic Team seems to have actively made strides to sepeeate the two. But then again the only games made by Iizuka where they are together are Heroes and ShtH, where Cream is just kind of lost and she asks shadow to help her.Meanwhile on Colors DS, Cream is off ny herself while Amy is with Big instead having a picnic.
>>587865663You fuck off faggot Shitver and Shitaze deserve nothing but the vault
>SILVERSILVERSILVERHello Sonic93, I thought you left the internet.
>>587865829You're a melty.
I can write on brand Sonic.
I am a big fanatic of the character Miles Prower, better known as Tails
>>587865803Because at that point Sonic Team had already given up on good stories and strictly WANTED to shill their new shiny OCs. Even Iizuka to this day would throw away any semblance of logic just to feed his pet Obesedow more content
>>587865993Write a passionate sex scene between Cream and Tails.
>>587864802The point of Amy having a Chao is to prove she isn't just the Sonic obsessed nutjob that Cream turned her into. They already botched the idea of Amy inspiring Cream to be less conservative since they gave that role to Sonic instead.
I just saw Dapple and Silver FUCK!
>>587864728I like Marine. Let Blaze have Cream. Amy and Blaze should swap.Amy and Marine have more in common.
:D
I GOT BLISTERS ON ME FEET and had to call in from work. There goes 200 dollars off my paycheck.[/spoilers]https://youtu.be/BGLGzRXY5Bw
the biggest pushers of fatdow are silverfags
>>587866157Cream teases an pokes fun at Amy being a bit obsessive.Are... are you Amy? Are you that bent out of shape about the ribbing?Amy's such a little brat.
Happy Birthday Silver!
How will you perceive 06 if Blaze was replaced with two characters, one is a human from the future that stays there, the other is Cream that is a third member of the team who fights along side Amy and Silver in the present? (Big cameo's to drop some actual wisdom onto Silver in the docks)
>>587865605The problem with Amy is Sonic Team throwing her character under the bus to make her the annoying girl everybody has to tolerate for most of the 2000s. That shit soured people on her for years and instead of actually making her endearing, they just soft retconned her and are ignoring people asking questions about the changes which is making things worse because fans are being openly being gaslit by SEGA employees.
>>587864757She is actually despite Blazefags bitching.
IAN FLYNN REDID THE SPONGEBOB MOVIE
>>587866114I prefer on brand stuff.
>>587866262Amy and Marine would be menaces together.But that also doesn't make a lot of sense, that's like saying Sonic and Tails don't work together cause their personalities are different.
>>587866461Write a passionate sex scene between Cosmo and Tails
Any attempt at replicating Sonic and Tails' bond just comes across as inferior
>>587866318Amy didn't need a buzzkill chaperone
>>587864971I dont want Amy being perma glued to Sonic either. She shpuld be going out on her own adventures. Cream issues aside, I liked Amy in Heroes and I liked she lead her own Team.>>587864986Tails and Knuckles dont do anything crucial. Especially Knuckles. The only thing he does is show up to be Eggman's mailman. They are there to stand next to Sonic for STK imagery.
>>587866091You are a smart and cool individual
>>587866434EPIC BACON AWESOMESAUCE
>>587866401>Team Sonic>Team Dark>Team Rose (and Silver)lol
>another 750 posts about sonic and shadow ships>another 750 posts about schizos arguing to vault silver and blaze>another 750 posts about who is ruining amy>another 750 posts about which year sonic stopped being sonic>another 750 posts about the lack of new games>another 750 posts about the movies doing what the games never could
>>587866790The best and most important bond
>>587865274>made upCream was already vaulted. Im not that anon, but you have a weird warped entitlement here going on. You are insisting Cream be suctioncupped to Amy for Cream to leech relevance while calling Amyfags the problem.
>>587866875He's just so coooool>>587866829It's because Sonic's campaign is meant to be a more "simple" Sonic vs Eggman type of story, while the major elements of the narrative are developed in Shadow's and Silver's stories. So Tails and Knuckles don't end up doing much because of it
>>587866401>Big talks to Silver about killing someone to save the world while fishing>"i would do anything for froggy, but i wouldn't want to go that far, ill just throw my fishing hook and hope for the best, and with some time, it always works out"Why does that work?
>>587866429Blazefags bitching about 06 is hilarious because they are basically mad Blaze isn't a main character. And you thought Shadowfags where greedy holy shit
>>587866402Modernshit was supposed to make Amy something more than a Metal Sonic victim and they botched it so hard, Sega had to go back to her classic design and start from scratch
>>587867097>Cream was already vaulted
>>587866262>>587866470Blaze and Cream act as foils for their partners.Amy and Marine are both too active, it would be chaos.There's no one to scale back the aggression, they both empower their impulsive decision making.>I want to get Sonic new boots for Christmas, but I don't know his shoe size!>BREAK INTO HIS HOUSE WHILE HE'S SLEEPING AND MEASURE HIS FEET>...is... is that a good idea?>You wanna be his sheila dontcha? Well ya then it isn't a strange thing to be in his house. Just use tha window, get your number and shoot through the door.>I guess it isn't that big of deal...>And take this hammer.
You guys are too mean to Blaze fans>>587867089Yeah!!!!
>>587865803I think Trunks from DBZ is a shining example of how to introduce a new character to an ensemble cast. Think about it, he totally fodderized Frieza which was a character nobody liked for being an evil piece of shit which shows that he's on the side of the heroes and he's competent at that too and then he invites the rest of the crew over to wait for Goku to arrive on earth and offers them refreshments which shows that he's friendly and respectful of the rest of the cast and then when Goku shows up, he tests him to ensure that the stories he heard about him are true which prepares the audience for his big reveal and then his reveal makes him sympathetic, a complete bombshell for DBZ lore and a savior for the entire DBZ cast and finally for the rest of the arc, he's there to help out in the fight against the androids even if he cannot do much because he got powercreeped and at the end, he takes his experiences back with him and saves his own future. If anything went wrong, he'd be seen as a huge Gary Sue and where DBZ fell off but Toriyama did everything right and created a beloved character and welcome addition to DBZ instead.
>>587867360Like I said, Amy's loss of love for Sonic is cause no one could find how he acts attractive anymore.He's gross.
>>587867135And the game all the worse for it
>>587867470Blobian butt...
>>587865605The problem is that the lore team isn't correcting Ian when he does this
>>587866470Well, they actually put thought into Sonic and Tails' dynamic and then fucked up the next two attempts
>>587867337>You guys are too mean to Blaze fans100% deserved
>>587867047Hush it works since it doesn't stop original teams, and it ensures team Rose are important and supportive while Silver is big deal but a fish out of water.
Fuck off Evan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_iJEMzht5Q
>>587867337We need to be more mean to silver and blaze fans
>>587867596I don't think so. Their arguments for wanting Blaze to be more relevant are basically the same ones that Shadow and Silverfags spout yet they get double the shit
>>587865605>Ehh... Kinda. The barebones writing that was basically just "girl who loves Sonic" happened under Pontaff and only because they didn't really know any better. To an extent, I can forgive it.Amy was already altered by LostWorld. Its a clear shift in her writing compared to how she was in OG Gens, which while not great was at least decent and had cute moments.In Lost World os where we get MeloncholicAmy who acts like he never told Sonic she loves him lol.Ian wrote Amy more in-line with how we expect in Archie stuff like MegaDrive. Still not quite accurate but certainly more typical of what one would of her rather than feeling like a "correction".Ofc, I get the sense his attitude towards her changed after because current year politics, but still. I don't get malice from him. Just "idiocy". He tries to hard to please his echo chamber resulting in damage imo.
Douge
Happy Shuffle Day
>>587867312Sonic Dream Team is literally about breaking Cream out of the vault lol
>>587865803>chasing a princess so the edgy new OCs can handle the real plot.Chasing the princess IS the real plot. Iblid is very ancillary to 06. His defeat only really matters to Silver.Elise's arc and Mephilea doing shit in the bg is the substance.
Tails with a softboi aesthetic
>>587867867>twitter opinionI had my friend play Shuffle with me and now he won't stop bugging me about booting it up.He even started texting me asking if it's possible to emulate VMUs for the card mechanic.
>>587867752except Shadow and Silverfags don't blame others for their fuck ups. Blaze has the most toxic franchise. They are poison to this world
why doesnt honey just rape tails
>>587868027>Silverfags don't blame others for their fuck upsYes they do, Blaze. Shadowfags have no one to blame because they won
>>587867978Tails is pregnant
>>587867752>-"Well, Tucker, thanks for having me on, first of all, I love the suit and I wanted to thank you and your team for being so welcoming~"100% deserved
>>587866157>The point of Amy having a Chao is to prove she isn't just the Sonic obsessed nutjob that Cream turned her into....by making Amy a chao centric character? You're just changing Amy in another way instead. Why does Amy have to change to acomodatw Cream if Cream isn't the problem?If they are truly complementary, and Cream wasnt the issue, Cream would be able to find a way to justify herself in a way that isn't parasitic.>They already botched the idea of Amy inspiring Cream to be less conservative since they gave that role to Sonic instead.When?
>>587868115no
>>587868027I don't agree with this>>587868069Because rape is bad
>>587868203Yes
>>587867932Elise is only important because Iblis is inside of her and she doesn't do anything to advance the plot in Sonic's story. You could literally replace her with a shiny box that Eggman is trying to steal and Sonic is trying to protect and Sonic's story in 06 does not change. It's literally the sexy lamp problem again when it comes to handling characters in a story.
>>587867752Their arguments are to replace Tails with Blaze since Sonic follows her and is very emotionally intelligent towards her and more supportive of her than he ever was with Tails, and she's better next to him at defeating eggman.Would you want that to happen?
>>587866318>Amy needs to be more obsessive to justfy Cream.>the thing Cream contributes is shitting on Amy>...and literally nothing elseWhy is this needed?
>>587868246
>>587868248>>587868385no
>>587868387Yeah, that works the best, Amy is boring otherwise.
>>587867360lol
>>587853104https://youtu.be/U5yKfmjwIbg
>>587868354I have never heard a single Blazefag ever say anything close to this. You have lost your mind
>>587868354>Their arguments areanything and everything, yet you focus on some single, schizo fantasy of yours
>>587867569The lore team also has an agenda, unfortunately.
>>587868115>They do, Blaze.They don't blame her, they blame 06, reasons to help out Silver range from from story telling to game playing, not just killing off blaze because that would be extreemly retarded, she's just a fucking nuisance to be with.
>>587868069I would never. I'll have you know I'm a CLASS act. Class act!...Pero ME ENCARGARÉ de los que difunden rumores...
>>587867771cnc
Classic 'iona>>587868159I don't think he can!>>587868354I don't think that's what they believe
>>587868531Thank you general
>thread celebrating Silver's birthday >thread is about Amy instead Kind of fitting since the movies are pretty much aping Silver's character for her role in Movie 4.
>>587868194Amy is already a counterpart to Tails, being more sentimental than logical, why the hell is Cream even more sentimental than Amy?
>>587866401Im not sure what Cream would do but I wouldnt mind. The only problem is 06 has this running theme about whether you would give someone up for the world. Amy says FUCK NO very bluntly not evenup for debate., Rouge says no after finding out Shadow gets crucified. Silver thinks he can but realizes he can't, and then Blaze decides to make the call for him. And ofc Elise cries about having to do it but does. It doesnt work as well if this character isn't with Silver throughout the story.
>>587868542What Blazefags want is another Shadow, AKA another Sonic secondary, but functions as his friend and his player 2Rings any bells?>>587868557A schizo fantasy is thinking that Blaze would work without sacrificing other characters.
https://youtu.be/zGNMZ6etcHA>>587867360Suddenly Surge is the good guy.
Huh that anon was right, Sage IS taller than Tails. Not by much though
>>587868462Well, good thing we have Cream to hold the monopoly on being boring. The gall of creamcunts, holy shit
They will give me the strength to carry on.
>>587868732Who? I didn't even realize people were talking about Amy until you pointed it out. So she is appearing in the next movie huh? That's crazy. Anyways, happy birthday Silver
>>587865265
I thought I was the Amyfag, but turns out there's Amyfags even more schizo than her and want to torch anything and everything around the character that might detract from anything that makes her a perfect flawless wonderful person.If that's the Amy you strive for, you can have it, that sounds boring as fuck.
>>587866402>the annoying girl everybody has to tolerate for most of the 2000s.>That shit soured people on her for yearsI dont know why you people are just pretending it wasnt mostly just because it was the late 90s and early 2000s in America and shitting on cute love dovey girls who are outspoken and pink was in vogue. ...or just shitting on girl characters in vidoegames in general.People shat on Amy for being a "nuCharacter" alone.
All these talks about Silver, Blaze and Cream made me realize how incredible Barry is
>>587868957Shadow moved on.Time for you to do the same.
>Sonic the Hedgehog (2006) was released on December 21, 2006 in JapanExplains one thing.
>>587869094Go get fucked in the ass in the kitchen Barry, you're interrupting the event.
>>587868997honestly it sounds like they are to Amy what certain fags are to Sonic, where they don't like Amy making Sonic behave uncool
>>587869114*Posts it again*
Amy is Girl Sonic, Cream is Girl Tails in-theory, but the execution behind this is just terri-bad all the way down. That's just the honest truth. Cream as a character is extremely, terribly, awfully flawed. You wouldn't know that by seeing her in a vaccuum. Play Sonic Advance 2, and she seem fine. But the moment she's put next to Amy after Heroes, all the problems began. And Sonic Rush is the height of it, by pairing her with Blaze. 1) Cream is supposedly Amy's Tails, so why is she being made into Blaze's Tails here?2) Blaze's actual opposite female character IS AMY. The social, energetic, bubbly and cheerful outgoing girl who would jump at being friends with Blaze and have the motive to find Sonic to help her would be AMY. If Blaze is the polar-opposite of Sonic, then AMY Is the polar opposite of Tails to complete that set. Marine in Rush Adventure is literal actual proof of this fact. Marine is just Amy again, an overwhelmingly energetic girl whose very similar in spirit to Sonic himself but lacks his capability so she comes off as a burden at first. Honestly, both Cream and Blaze are poorly thought out beyond the surface level, when you really get down to it. Blaze has too much baggage and Cream overlaps too much with Amy's surface level appeal and vibe that their differing personalities becomes meaningless. But with just a few adjustments, both of them could fit in much better and everything would connect into a beautiful image....
>>587869194Explains what?
>>587866470>Amy and Marine would be menaces together.And it would be based. Would push Amy to act more like herself as well.>But that also doesn't make a lot of sense, that's like saying Sonic and Tails don't work together cause their personalities are different.Sparky is that you? No, anon. Someone else having a different dynamic doesnt mean your dynamic is bad and doesnt work.Tails and Sonic work because Tails was inspired by Sonic to take charge, and Tails' smarts and mechanical skills are helpful to Sonic.Amy and Marine would be similar actually. Marine wants to go advebturing but needs more experience but everyone else doesnt take her as seriously and sees her as "too much". So Amy makes perfect sense. She is also an advebtuerr that people felt was "too much" and grew over time through chasing Sonic. And Marine's jetski would be useful to both of them.
>>587869278You lost.
>>587869194I don't know why, it doesn't even matter-
>>587868892>What Blazefags want is another Shadow, AKA another Sonic secondary, but functions as his friend and his player 2Silverfags want this even more
>>587869194Yeah!It was released November 14th elsewhere!
>>587869347>Sparky is that you?No.
>>587869374...the losing game!
Cream... Please stop...
>>587869045Nobody hated Cortana, Samus or Lara Croft back then and they're all women.
>>587869347Figures you'd hate Sparky's opinions, he's usually based....except liking the idea of western cartoons being inserted and thinking they would be fitting for an anime battle setting.
>>587868991truly epic LULZ
>>587869194What EXPLAINS is holy shit sonic's hand is open in the jp boxart instead of a defiant fist, vulnerablenic was with us all this time
>>587869458 (me)>>587869347>Marine wants to go advebturing but needs more experience but everyone else doesnt take her as seriously and sees her as "too much". So Amy makes perfect senseNo. Because that description of Marine is just SA1 Amy. Marine is TOO similar to Amy that putting them together is like if Tails was just Classic Sonic. BOth Amy and Marine are overwhelmingly energetic girls who act like Sonic but lack his raw capability. Amy is just further along in her story and growth by comparison, but that's not significant enough difference to justify making them any sort of team like Sonic & Tails, it just doesn't work like that.
>>587867135I dont think that's what it is. Sonic Adventure 2 didnt havr this problem. The real issue is just that time needs to be focused on Sonic and Elise's dynamic and her development. Knuckles himself has no emerald shards to find so he has nothing to do and Tails doesnt have a predicament to help Sonicbout with like with the Tornado 2 or finding the ARK and stopping the cannon from firing.Sonic's story in 06 isn't focused on beating Eggman so much as rescuing Elise and bonding with her.
TailsfagWhat Shadowfags and Silverfags want is to support their character, dig deeper into their stories and have fun playing as them What Blazefags want is for EVERYONE to help her outDo you see the issue?
>>587869706Genuinely can someone explain this change
>>587868652>ME ENCARGARÉWhat did Spanish Honey mean by this?
>>587869559She's called Cream, cause she has powers like Kit, but instead of controlling water she-...yeah.
>>587868997There are a few actual Amyfags around here that want her back to the 1998-2008 era, good, bad, and in-between. But it's mostly a bunch of people agendafagging with her name.
>>587869796More determined, more badass. More MURICAN.
The way she turned holding to a little bit of hope that he might still be alive was sad.
>>587867312Not sure what this is supposed to prove. Was is a past tense verb.>>587867331This is based actually! Team Rascals!
>>587869398Since fucking when? wanting to talk about his future or his gameplay is not at the level of forcing on sonic and acting like a mary sue.
Worship the pharaoh!
>>587869719Meanwhile Cream was already busted in gameplay, when Amy couldn't even fucking roll
>>587869727SA2 is different because each playable character has a dedicated rival counterpart which means they'll get in conflict and participate in the story moreIn 06 Tails and Knuckles are helper characters, they don't get their dedicated rivalries>>587869742I just don't see that happening
>>587867360>Sonic doing this is Amy's ick.I cam buy it lmao.
>>587868732If that happens, Silver really will be just an Amy...Guess I should add Movienik to this chart. One cay.
>>587869719They truly have no idea what they're talking about, and have been completely broken by a little rabbit that sometimes makes comedic light hearted passive aggressive comments at Amy's expense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2_oLrbzOCc
>>587865240Sa2 would be the same without knuckles
>>587867374>but Toriyama did everything right and created a beloved character and welcome addition to DBZ instead.The only reason why Trunks is beloved is because of the DBZ anime, it's filler episodes, and the non-canon movies, which propped up Trunks as one of the "core four" super sayians. The manga barely did anything with Trunks after his initial appearance and even mostly glossed over his backstory with future Android 17 & 18. It's even more obvious when one of Trunks most iconic appearance is in Bojack Unbound, while his role in DBS(Which is canon and Toriyama being heavily involved with) is heavily criticized for being awful and ruining the character.
Tails the WIND
>>587870169I fucking hate the roles rule that seems to dominate characters in this series.I hate, "the Knuckles" of the group and so on,That's why I like Rouge and Silver, cause their skill sets are so wide or different you can't really categorize them. It's an absolute bitch when trying to give them roles in a game you're designing, but that's what makes them interesting.
>>587840161>>587870234SMWA usually reposts next thread in case you missed it...well, I'll do it for him.
>>587869398Nah, i liked him in Tailstube, i want more of him being cool and goofy and to play as him, making him a Shadow is a very ooc depiction made by tourists and he never needed Sonics guide to be his secondary, he has his own spot next to Sonic
>>587870032They very much want another Shadow who acts friendly to Sonic and is playable beside him. Don’t fucking pretend otherwise
>>587862559Did the creator of Cream just not like Amy? Because making these two the girl-equivalent of Sonic and Tails (to a lesser extent) isnt that fucking hard.If they hadnt flanderized Amys love and made it look like a shallow obsession, just so Cream can make commentary for the sake of 'funnies', these two could have been a solid, believeable duo.How I'd do it...something like Heroes, but more straightforward. Cream and Amy should both be sweet, selfless girls, but Cream should have a reason to look up to Amy as a leader. Amy should be the most optimistic, courageous, and persistent one, but also has the best judgement of character. Cream merits come from how well she has trained her Chao as a fighter, (I wish they made her a chao whisperer so she could stand out more, by having chaos of different abilities), but Cream should be the most naive character of the group, overly polite and conservative to the point that her observations come off as more childlike and needlessly blunt than someone making careful observations. (She knows when the emperor isnt wearing clothes, but Amy know how to convince her not to say anything that could land them in hot water, while also encouraging her not to abandon her beliefs.) That also gives Amy a reason to be more perceptive and help Cream learn to see things in shades of gray, but without losing confidence and turning pessimistic.In other words, that one IDW scene where Amy is asking Cream how she manages to stay positive all the time-- it should have been flipped arond. (But I get the feeling that because the writers want Tails to be more of a genius than Sonic, they want Cream to be more emotionally mature than Amy, as the comparison. They just never figured out exactly what else Amy can do to be more of a "big sister" figure to Cream the way Sonic is to Tails because they were busy making her Amy's straightman for no good reason.
>>587870215>hat sometimes makes comedic light hearted passive aggressive comments at Amy's expense.That's not good for Amy at all, though, either. Because ultimately, it made Amy look bad. Amy is supposed to be high-energy and passionate, but Cream's whole existence just turned into a joke at her own expense. They weren't being 'Sonic & Tails', it was Cream flanderizing Amy into an over-exaggerated parody of herself while Cream gets to look sweet and nice and innocent because she's polite and well-behaved like a GOOD girl. Cream is Blossom masquerading as Bubbles, and Amy is a Buttercup-Bubbles hybrid being made to look bad so Cream can feed her own ego like the Blossom she really is. That's an exaggeration itself, of course, but that's basically what their dynamic was like or how it comes off.
I wonder what women think of Amy. Is she a decent self-insert for them or is Blaze the go to for that? As a guy I always just saw her as "the girl" like with Princess Peach. I didn't think much about her as a kid.
>>587870484>>587840161not swba (smallwhiteboardanon aka chalkboardanon)
You know, maybe you guys should be like Amy if you like her so much and don't get so bent out of shape over other's opinions. Amy's fun cause she's flawed, and Cream adds to the bit.Can you imagine if Amy acted like her fans?>Cream: I can't believe Sonic ran away, he must really... oh nothing :P>Amy: FUCK YOU, FUCK YOUUUUU! HOW DARE YOU, ARE YOU LAUGHING AT ME YOU CUNT WHORE? FUCK YOU! YOU'VE MADE ME A JOKE! A JOKE!
>>587870169Hol'on wrong chart
>>587870215Be grateful to Crossworlds for giving her a taste of sunlight
>>587869903It really is sad. I'm at least happy that even though the characters are glorified mascots we still get moments like this where deeper, more earnest characterization bleeds through. It was probably the only part of the animation I considered IC since it shows a direct nod to her deeper feelings for shadow. Kind of nice to see where they originate from, in the original SA2 you can tell she's emotional but not HOW emotional she is. For me it makes that last statement "I have something better than jewels I'm think about right now" hit harder. She's grieving a lost love in that moment but choosing to look on the bright side. Probably one of the most mature moments in sonic.
>>587870779Yay Tails fills all boxes
>>587870740Amy is only as flawed as Sonic. What you call 'flaws' is meant to be her virtues and strengths and everything good about her.
>>587870347>"core four":0
>>587870528Can really tell that you got so butthurt after being correctly called out there Blazedumbass kek
>>587870985uhhh, sureJust like how being selfish isn't actually a bad thing alone
>>587865240But would it be better or worse?
>>587870813Shadouge is genuinely the best developed ship in the series. It has such a rich development and a lot of layers that we're still uncovering
>>587867374Yeah, it would be super easy for Trunks to come off as a Sue but Toriyama handled it well. A huge part of it is Toriyama is in general very utilitarian with his writing.When Trunks kills Freiza, its more to set up the future theeat than make Trunks look cool and OP. He's stronger than Frieza, but he is kind of a bum in his time period. His attitude towards everyone is reserved because he doesnt wanna fuck with time since he doesnt know how timetravel works quite yet. He has respect for everyone but he isnt being an audience proxy and loudly geeking out over everyone. He is still here on a mission.When he fights Goku as a test, it's to show everyone innthe cast what a Super Saiyan is via the comparison and show Goku has gotten a handle on the form.And then what he does is tell them he is here because a greater threat is coming and they need to prepare for it. He doesnt stick around to solve the casts' problems. They still have to train and prepare to win the fight themselves. And by the time they are ready, the cast has caught up to him by and large. Piccolo even cliffs him. Trunks is less "look at my shiny new OC for you to love as much as I do" as much as he is a good supporting character with value as a protagonist as well.His main concern in the present is his relationship with his dad moreso than beating villains to raise his stock and look cooler than everyone else. I give credit where it is due but Silver manages to have similar vibes despite the fact he made Sonic kneel in 06.He never really feels like he is stealing spotlight. For a character as strong as he is, he is usually acting as a supporting character.But they couldnt help themselves with the SS"S" shit and it's annoying.
DNF is good
>>587870528>another Shadow who acts friendly to Sonic Neither here or there, but thanks for your projection Blazeo
Sparky, do you think that since Sonic is Santa Claus, Tails is like Santa's helper?
>>587870347>and the non-canon movies, which propped up Trunks as one of the "core four" super sayians. I remember in the Super Android 13 movie they made big deal about the 3 Super Saiyans but I don't think the Broly movie ever really made a big deal about the 4 Super Saiyans being needed to fight Broly (probably because Vegeta was too busy being an emo bitch crying about Broly to actually fight until way after the fact then he got his ass kicked and Goku had to save the day again) the Bojack movie was definitely where Trunks was cool, his dynamic with Tien was fun and watching him fight alongside his pops until Gohan had to save the day was a highlight.
>>587870740Yeah, that's how Amy was written when cream was sucking up all the oxygen in the room
>>587867882Lol when you put it THAT way, its pretty true.
Heroes is IC, cope Amyfags
>>587871309I'm afraid for a kids franchise for westerners, they're not going to think that deeply.
>>587871119Or how liking sonic isn't a bad thing if there's no shitty writers blowing it out of proportion to make a new dumb oc look better
>>587870924Where's Cream?
>>587871747Westie...
>>587868279>Elise is only important because Iblis is inside of herDid you even play the game? No, Elise is important because the game is about her. Its Elise's story. The story isnt Sonic trying to prevent Eggman from getting the demon inside her. The story id about Sonic spending time with her and helping her open her heart and fall in love after having to be emotionally repressed for years after her father died and she had to assume the position of the throne early.That's the game. Youre confusing personally caring more about fighting fire demons and fighting bad guys woth what the game itself is about.
>>587870779Sol Dimension should have Gardon
Whenever i'm at work, I begin talking to myself as if I'm Sonic.
>>587868732>Silver's characterThere is literally no evidence Amy is from the future. Its literally just rumors.
>>587868743Because Cream is just Nishiyama making his own Amy he likes better, who is cuter and more purer than her.
>>587872018>Heh. Gotta sweep fast!
>>587868732Amy is Amy, mark my words
>>587870484>American Sally flirts and kisses with everyone >British Sally flirts her>"So that's what it feels like." *Instant regret*
SHITnicBROS??? We are SLOW?????
>>587868542NTA but its functionally what they want.Thry want the series to be the Sonic & Blaze series and make Blaze his deuteragonist.
>>587855195No, but there were definitely parts in this one where it was hard to tell what was actually going on. It's less about webm related and more about parts like Metal and Shadow's exchange
can you stfu about sallyshe does not exist
>>587868997Why are you concerntrolling? Me wanting Amy to be herself doesnt mean i want her to be written in ways that are bad just so another character can be propped up.You're pretending to care about Amy when it reality you just want her to be a better host for your parasite.
>>587872412Oh you want more?Sonic's cute and canon wife.
>>587872523if it's not made by sega of japan, it's not canon
Sonamy is shit
>>587871540Heroes was Amy's best appearance and the one time her dynamic with Cream worked.
>>587869568Notice a pattern stupid? Reread my post.All of those are all stoic. Cortana is just a com girl. Only acceptable type was that or Lola bunny.
>>587858974And i told ya that i meant bloated in terms of writing, not in terms of characters.
>>587872638Mania is not canon
>>587872651
sonally never existed because there's no sally.
>>587870779>Silver is so weak that they have to pretend that he leads the ChaotixPathetic.
Amy is as bad as Silver and Blaze
>>587871540>>587872652Yeah well sonic fans are idiots who don't understand subtext, so sega can never return to that high watermark
sonamy is shitshadamy is shitknuxouge is shitsonaze is shitit's all shit
Honey x me
>>587861518Silver isn't hated though.
>>587872789>>587872886>>587872954>>587873059
>>587872954You know what isn't shit?Sonally.
>>587869643I dont hate Sparky. He just gets trapped in his own web.>>587869719>Because that description of Marine is just SA1 Amy.Did you not play Rush Adventure? Yes you are gonna find comparisons between Amy and Marine because they are similar characters. Though I think youre being reductive here. Amy's story was not really about her being too much. It was about her learning to go from a damsel to a fighter, helping birdie and befriending gamma.Her being too much was more just a trait she had rather than being what her arc was about. >>587869719>Amy. Marine is TOO similar to Amy that putting them together is like if Tails was just Classic Sonic.????? No?Oh its Sparky isn't it.I find the idea of that team up fun, Sparky. Your objection to it seems to just be it doesnt fit your pattern.
>>587872194Whereas Tangle is Flynn making his own Amy, who is quirkier and dyke-ier
>>587872018Kishimoto, stop shitposting on 4channel and get back to work on the next Sonic game.
>>587870484Well exuuuse me princess, I was taking a well deserved nap
>>587873119
>>587873138What makes Amy and Marine fun is exactly why it wouldn't work as a "Girl Sonic & Tails". Amy and Marine interacting in general would be a fun dynamic otherwise.What Amy needs is a Girl Tails. The problem is that the actual Girl Tails we have is poorly executed outside of her own vacuum.
Sonurge is based
>>587872954Shad ouge wins again
>>587870114>SA2 is different because each playable character has a dedicated rival counterpart which means they'll get in conflict and participate in the story moreIt's not really relevant. Knuckles would be finding shards even if Rouge wasnt involved. She just makes it more interesting.Tails would be fighting against Eggman regardless since he is the main villain. Its a framing device for the gameplay. Tails could have not done anything in the plot and still rivalfagged with Eggman in the gameplay.
>>587872485That's concerntrolling?I thought concerntrolling was the screen sick term for turning the other cheek.
Sonic was way too emotional in the new short
>>587873078I'd argue he's the most hated in comparison to how much he's known
>>587873059Human or Cat Honey? You can only pick 1.
>>587872886Amy complicates the setting with the addition of... Little Planet.Fuck off
>>587873310(You) did, you board treasure, you <3
>>587873487Knuckles contributed so little to the plot of SA2 you could remove him completely in the remake and it would change absolutely nothing except for the scene where he crashes the shuttle
>>587873310>>587873814Who's the waiter?There's something familiar about him.
>>587870215I dont have problems with jokes at Amy's expense. I have problems when the character has to justify their existence by making Amy be flanderized so that character can mock her for it.When Rouge makes fun if Amy for being delulu rom com foid, it's fine. It works. Rouge is materialistic and seductive nd Amy is astrology true love romance girl.Cream is "even sweeter girl who is nicer and more well behaved". When she exists, her function becomes to do the things Amy would normally do that redeemed her character by showing that she is nice and has a good heart. Then leave Amy with just acting out and making fun of her for it.It's literally fanfic OC tier.
>>587866928That's Pontaff
>>587873138Does anyone have a request open tonight?Can you draw the cover of DOOM but make it anon gunning down an army of Sparkys?>EVERYONE'S SPARKY, HE'S IN MY WAAAAALLLLLLLLS
>>587873358Ironically, Blaze would be a better Girl Tails than Cream because her bitchy vibe is written to be something she needs to get over.
>>587873138>>587873980What this guy said but instead have it be sparky gunning down an army of anons
>>587870431Amy too!
>>587874128either or, I'd be happy.
>>587873550Who hates him?
>>587873943Artie from the sopranos
>>587873687Cat Honey
>>587874069Blaze already is a bit of a Girl Tails. Socially withdrawn and insecure because of being bullied as a kid.But Amy is Girl Sonic in a Tails-like position, so Blaze is a Girl Tails in a Sonic-like position.
>>587873536This is what Sonic is now, bubble-butt
Blaze is a Girl Tails because she's Silver's player 2 sidekick supporting character
Thank you Chuck the Bird, for letting me race with you on Bird Island from The Angry Birds® Movie 3 coming to cinemas this December 23...
>>587874492Cream is Meta-era Tails, smug cunt that does nothing useful
>>587873814>>587870714saved
>>587873310Ahaha The threads are moving bit fast lately due to the animation boost, sorry senpai.
>>587874572Silver doesn’t deserve any supporting characters
Sex with Honey the Cat?Isn't she kinda small?
>>587870620I don't think Nishiyama HATED Amy, but when he made Cream, the point of her was basically to make a replacement Amy since Amy was too hard for little girls in Advance 1. Nishiyama isnt the most original guy so he just kind of reheated Amy's nachos but made her polite instead....then buried Amy to the back of the game so she wouldnt upstage Cream since little girls would obviously pick the pick hedgehog girl over her.From then on, I get the sense he just had preference towards her. Same with how Blaze is written. Both have very strong Creator's pet aura to them. Compare Cream on Heroes and Shth to the handheld games or X for example.(which Nishiyama was involved with)In Heroes you have similar "issues" but it isn't played up as much. Amy still gets moments where she gets to be brave and encourage her team when they lose hope and get scared.In ShtH, Cream is basically n NFT.But those games also were not made by Nishiyama or had his involvement. Nishiyama has famously said his fave characters ever are Blaze and Cream. The characters he made. He wasnt really thibking about the long term character dynamic consequences when he made these characters. He just needed a character for girls that was easy so he made an overpowered OC. Blaze is kind of similar. By his own admission he kind of realised late that the way he made the character made using her again difficult.
>>587870801>CrossworldsDream Team*>>587840161>>587874939This is the gremlin team I need.
>>587870740>Amy's fun cause she's flawed, I wouldnt say "because". Her flaws are just part of her overall charm. Amy is gun because she is cute, energetic, assertive, kind, compassionate, and stands on business and charges ahead without sweating the details.>and Cream adds to the bit.No, reduces Amy to a bit. By taking half the traits listed above for herself leabing Amy with just the fictional ones.
AoStH is canon. I do not make the rules
>get boner from rouge official art and non-nsfw fanart >go to rule 34 or e621 >i can't come to any rouge-tagged porn why does this keep happeming
>>587869045>early 2000s in America and shitting on cute love dovey girls who are outspoken and pink was in vogueIt was a thing from the 2000s to early 2010s, not 90s. But what the fuck was up with that trend?
Where's the new BoC chapter
>>587875631I ate it
>>587875530I meant out of all the cartoons it has the least issues fitting on with the ganecanon (yes that includes Prime)
>>587875549Shadow...
>>587875559because americans are fucked up in the head and do not get what makes a video game
>>587875758FUCK
>>587875631We'd get it if Krack weren't in her depression arc. Unironically hope she feels better.
>>5878755592000s was the era before woke where society was aware enough of issues such as women in media need better representation but our understanding of the situation was poor, so the first measure was to punch down at the girly pink and crushing on boys female characters because it's the first thing that came to mind.
>>587870779Starline is also Knuckles. He’s Wechidna
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHZB7N3xhgk
I love Tails!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>587870169Nega is officially Eggman’s descendant, so he belongs in the future.
>>587875559All of these characters besides the top two are completely different though. The top two are seen as annoying and even antagonistic. Panini getting with Chowder at the end of the show was wild and I still don't know how to feel about it. Mandy is a psychopathic, narcissistic midwit. She's proven right as much as she gets made fun of by the show. I do not recognize the bottom left. Wait, I'm in a Sonic thread. Uh well I do remember that actually being a trend for a while and Amy was part of that. They weren't always pink but a lot of shows seemed to have "that annoying girl" and I don't really know why it happened. Female characters were being written fine beforehand they just weren't the MC most of the time. I think Amy's problem in the 2000's was just how frequently and consistently they made the characters roll her eyes at her or not take her seriously. It framed her as a joke character.
>>587876674Amy would've had like 50% less issues if she wasn't pink methinks
>>587876450>Shadow's son fights Eggman's son
>>587876785WHAT IF SHE WAS PURPLE?
>>587876674>. I do not recognize the bottom left.That is .GIFfany from Gravity Falls. She is basically Monika from Doki Doki Literature Club, exactly 3 years TO THE DAY before DDLC was even released.
>>587876450If that’s true, then who is Sage to him?
Archiefags acting like idiots for three threads
>>587877134Purple is a boy's color, that's silly.
>>587876785Being pink isn't her problem when there are plenty of characters from her Era which were pink and beloved by their fandoms. Her problem was just bad writing making her into a flat character.
Am I the only one who wants to fuck Tangle? Imagine (You) and her sneaking off somewhere for a quickie, just pounding that cute little tomboy ass until you unload deep inside her. Maybe pull on her tail since she's apparently into that.
>>587877360Please keep posting these, sthg, they're so funny
>>587875559These FUCKED UP PSYCHOS would make girls in love as a character trope?We need to jail them NOW
>>587877469
>>587876785Probably. Hot Pink immediately evokes the interpretation that this character is about love/romance, hyperactivity and possibly sexual to varying degrees depending on what culture you're from. Her design itself almost begs the audience to flanderize her. Every other female character has calmer and darker shades of color which makes them seem "calmer" than the bright pink Amy just by standing next to her. Rouge's color of dark purple elicits feminine allure and mystique. Blaze's purple elicits a cooler and more repressed character. Cream is plain vanilla and cream colors to elicit the feeling of normalcy or mellowness. Even down to how Vanilla wears a red and purple dress, colors that are usually used to demonstrate royalty, maturity, and order. Notice how they are dull on her too similar to how Blaze's color is dull.Color theory is important when designing characters.
>>587877469They’re really not
>>587876785she should've been like a more lighter and girlier shade of blue
>no official post about Silver's 20thlollmao eveneven Blaze got one
>>587877469The problem isn't Sonic making this face at a friend on a rare occasion.The problem is Sonic making this face at Shadow. Sonic is not Shadow's friend.
>>587867765A Sonally fag like Ian is fundamentally incapable of understanding Sonic or Amy as characters
>>587877732sonic wouldn't make that face AT ALL NIGGA
>>587877837You're overcorrecting. It can be justified.
Kinda weird seeing Sega interact with Nintendo stuff
You can keep saying it's ooc all you want. Iizuka himself wrote part of this and signed off on it. Literal word of god. You are denying the creator's vision.
>>587877921I am quite sure it can't. But if you can give a good scenario then I'll think about it
>mad that sonic is smilingdo you want him to be billy toughass with a knife and cussing everyone otu?
>>587877632She should've been pink and America should've been less of a bigoted shithole
>>587877352And just to rub salt in the wound >openly in love with a blue mf who saved her life and kisses him on screen and also fights with him when he doesn't agree with her >her character never took a hit from it Amy's problem was simply bad writing. It has nothing to do with her character design.
>>587861581Mmm Blazamy
>>587878096Yes. and I am tired of this uwu trash evan the stanley and ian the flynn try to push
>>587878182You do not hate Aaron Webber enough.
>>587877931Sega was always a bootkisser for Nintendo. The opposite is weirder
Wish I may, wish I mightBe someone else tonightSometimes I wish I was never born at allAnd I'll try to save the world'Cause in the end I knowI'm the chosen one
>>587877630Shut up, Kyle.
>>587877575Everything you're saying just sounds like>AMY IS A PROBLEM. AMY SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN AMY. AMY WOULD BE MORE LIKED IF SHE WASN'T AMY. The fact of the matter is that Amy is the living embodiment of what an entire subset of people hate, and what makes Amy "Amy" is that she takes all of that and cracks it up to 11,000. She is bright pink, very cutesy and feminine, very LOUD, very aggressive in her emotions, LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE, she is the PINK GIRL who loves the BLUE BOY, she is MINNIE MOUSE FOR SONIC, and all the genki-girl deredere stuff anime waifu stuff all over it. That is what Amy is. Because that's what fits the franchise. That's what fits Sonic. Amy doubles down on being Sonic's Minnie Mouse with maximum passion and determination because became the Mickey that's too free and unbound to have a Minnie.
I have been thinking, like i said last thread i wanted to rant about a certain character but should i? Would i get good discussion from it from here? Would anyone here even care?
>>587877732The face is a problem because Sonic would never express himself like that.
>>587871429Bojack is a shit movie mostly shilled by Himhanfags.The movies were made with selling merch in mind by corpos and it shows.
>>587878390I was thinking about also posting from a tripcode but idk if itll result in anything useful
>>587877575Amy's loud colors fit her personality perfectly, though.
>>587878390There are people who would go to war over Tommy Turtle. Just go ahead
>>587878380I didn't say anything like that at all. I was merely explaining that her design played against her character. Shitty writing is mostly to blame.>She is bright pink, very cutesy and feminine, very LOUD, very aggressive in her emotions, LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE, she is the PINK GIRL who loves the BLUE BOY, she is MINNIE MOUSE FOR SONIC, and all the genki-girl deredere stuff anime waifu stuff all over it.I did not say I have a problem with any of this. I said the problem with her is that she was treated like a joke character for over a whole decade.
Tails :D
I love how people's complaints with Shadow during Team Sonic Racing/Metal Virus was that he wasn't emotional enough and now we're dealing with the opposite problem for Sonic
>>587878651>I didn't say anything like that at all.I didn't say you did. Just that it's what it sounded like.
>>587878607USED to fit
>>587870620Solid it really isn't rocket science.
>>587872652Heroes also has basically no story though.
>>587878651>I was merely explaining that her design played against her character.No, her design captures her character perfectly. Some people just don't like her character on-principle, and any attempt to "tone her down" is Anti-Amy in itself.She is the bright pink girl in a dress. That is what she is. If people have a problem with that, they've gotta deal with it.
>>587878765Okay, yeah, fair. Is this how Ian gets Amy into her Boom clothes? Make her boring enough to wear those dull and muted colors?
>>587877630Shut up Ian
>>587878260That's okay but code lyoko isn't exactly super popular especially not in shape western views on cartoons
>>587878895>She is the bright pink girl in a dress. That is what she is. If people have a problem with that, they've gotta deal with it.Again, not disagreeing with you but a lot of people did and that's why she's so fucked right now. They interpreted her character as annoying because they kept on writing her that way and then solved the problem they started by mellowing her out and ultimately removing some of her original traits. It sucks. But hey, it's not like she's the only character that has been fucked by incompetent writing and lack of forethought in this franchise.
>>587873231At least Tangle goes off to do shit on her own instead of being a parasite to Amy like Cream.
>>587873358>What Amy needs is a Girl TailsSays who?Let Amy have Marine instead. It's okay for her dynamic to be different.
amy's colors are boring which is why her classic design is better
>>587879419Amy's colors is Sonic's shoes, just like Tails.
>>587873514Concern trolling is when you pretend to be shoeing genuine concern to push disruptive agendas.
IDW fans continuously going against game fans is going to end badly for them. It's easy to forget the gamefag camp is bigger and more autistic.
>>587854314>>587854225>>587853737Cowering tails is ic btw
>>587879419>PicrelWhat if this is Classic Amy's design in the Movie 4 tie-in game?
>>587879504like... being disingenuous?
>>587873857Dougebag...The ship scene itself mostly exists to explain why there are shards in space anyway
>>587878895People have a problem with that and they've worked to change Amy and they've been succeeding, I think you should reconsider your strategy because you're not winning
>>587879542Assuming we even get another game at this point. Watch them re-release some shitty port of Sonic CD as the "tie-in" game for Sonic 4. Would not put it past them at this point.
>>587879542IDW has been more fun than anything the games have done.
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>>587879695>People have a problem with thatSo what!? Amy Rose should be AMY ROSE and that should be screamed loudly in everyone's faces, and if they don't like it, they can get SMASHED WITH THE HAMMER.
>>587876450But he doesn't fight Auraver so no. There is no Nega in the Bad Future cause Eggman dies when that happens.
>>587878260You know what Aelita has? An actual character arc about learning how to be human again and she's half the brainpower of the team while her feelings for Jeremie are simply part of her character. You know what Amy has? Absolutely fucking nothing to show since SA1 had her rescuing a bird. Oh she redeems Shadow? That fucker gets amnesia and they never interact unless an actual Shadamyfag gets her friends to make a fangame or a Shadamyfag has to pitch a comic to SEGA to make them work together. She helps Big and Cream rescue their pets? Nobody remembers that shit because she's being a damn loon about Sonic and nobody gives a fuck about Big and Cream at the end of the day. She helps Elise? The entire game gets hit with a retcon bomb and to this day SEGA cannot decide if anybody remember it or not. And what do people remember? Her being a sperg about Sonic and it even continued into Sonic X so for over 70 episodes Millenials had to endure her being an annoying, whiny bitch about Sonic and being a shitty person to everybody around her and this continued in the games and comics of that Era as well. When even gamer dudebros and feminist critics agree on hating a character for being annoying and badly written, you know you've fucked up and prior to Elise, Amy was the sole character who had this kind of ire.
>>587877632This is what my 5000 hours on CSP could do
>>587879419I don't like how many colors classic Amy has and they're all too bright. All 4 of them are fighting each other to be the dominant one. Pink only wins out because the red headband accentuates it. The green and orange are just clashing with each other imo.
>>587879735It depresses me to hear that knowing how nice Shadow Generations was. Shadow gets a good game but not Amy
>>587880023Sonic Origins Plus is as close to an Amy game as we'll ever get.
>>587879542You got this wrong. Gamefags are the ones asking always for any news on games and aren't purists. What you mean is every subset of fan, games and or comics are ganging on jap purists who in turn might as well not even play games most of times (like the comic fans, but they play gacha shit for their dyke ocs).The real reality is jap purists are pretty much being SatAMfags ver 2.0.
>>587880023Fatdow the Contenthog
>>587879970"Won't mind myself blue for you" - Amy's song (My Sweet Passion)
>>587879817Amybro... You can't just hammer down people IRL.... this isn't an option you're just losing in the internet wars where the side that wants Amy to change keeps winning the war.... You need to improve your propaganda skills
>>587880093>Amy game is a buggy messSad
>>587879592Waited 4 hours to be loud and wrong
>Sonic should be a harem protagonist and kissing random girls and looking at their boobsI hate shippers so much
>>587879970Blue makes her look "cool". Amy Rose is not "cool". Amy is not "calm". Amy is HOT, LOUD, FIERY, PASSIONATE, ENERGETIC, AND OVERWHELMINGLY SO. That's why she's PINK. PINKSONIC is blue. AMY is PINK.
>>587879170Whisper's girlfriend?
>>587880023You could say the same for all of Sonic's friends in the core 4
>>587880183 (me)*Painting myself
Can someone who's a master at Paint show me what Amy would look like if you inverted her dress and her quill colors?
>>587880095>jap purists are pretty much being SatAMfags ver 2.0.What's even worse is that they have less of a leg to stand on because while SatAM had a cult following and got conflated with the Archie comics, you'd need to be a real Sonic nerd to know about JP Sonic since most people only know about Sonic from the dubs and then there's the issue of getting people to care about characterization when SEGA already soft retconned everybody in the 2010s and most of the 2000s game had poor reception so people are less inclined to consider their arguments.
>>587880286Shippers don't care about the characters. They just want to turn them into self inserts or fantasy partners. They want to replace the characters. By their nature all Archiefags are shipfags too.
>>587879323Okay, I like this one. It got a genuine laugh out of me.
>>587878618OK, i will try tomorrow.
>>587875559Basically in general it was when people became aware of gender shit and felt the need to course correct, so shitting on them and proving up "cool girl" characters became the trend. Although anyone telling you those kind if characters wefe ever really the norm to begin with are lying. There was just a lot of malw feminist ally shit where people proved how progressive they were by shitting on girly shit, which as guys is something they already were shitting on in favor of machismo.Girls having silly crushes at a young age is a comon enough phenomenon, but is ingeneral treated with extreme derision culturally in the west but seen as cute in japan as well. They would always be depicted as unlikeable loser beckies or dysfunctional people who should be seen negatively rather than just kind of annoying or troublesome.
>>587879695The strategy is to do what sonic fans have done since the internet was invented, bitch and complain at sega
>>587876073And then prop up smug or stoic cool girls instead. Bonus points if they were portayed as hot. It was all a male feminist grift really.
>>587871540I liked Heroes Amy. Fuck what Ian commented on her.
>I can't kiss or bang Sonic? Well then fuck the world, let it rot and burn to the ground forever.I'm sure they meant that to be emotional scene for Elise when she initially refused to blow out the candle but someone really should have told them that she sounds insane. Worse than Amy even. And she's not even supposed to be Sonic's permanent love interest.
>>587879970i actually kinda dig bluemy.but it's cursed at the same time, maybe it's the contrast between the skin and the dress kek
>>587879950The answer is to throw all of modernshit in the dumpster and start over with classic Amy’s design
I kept track of which namefags got mad at the short for making Sonic emotional or didn't care.
>>587879419The color theory on Classic Amy is fucked. In fiction, heroes use primary colors (red, yellow, blue). Think of your Supermans, Spider-Mans, Thors, etc. That's the color coding for Team Sonic. There are exceptions, but they're different takes on the idea of a hero (Batman, Punisher, etc.). Villains are the ones who use secondary colors like green, orange, and purple. Think about your Green Goblins, Lex Luthors, Jokers, etc. There are exceptions, but you're looking at stuff like the Hulk, where they're more of a destructive force of nature in the form of a hero than an actual hero.tl;dr Classic Amy's colors are villain-coded and Modern Amy's are properly hero-coded.
>>587872886Nah fuck off.
>>587880139I despise Takashi Iizuka's toxic bias for Shadow
>>587880864What if I've been acting like both this entire time?
>>587880194Still better than most modernshit
>>587880814I think it's a great character moment. Her true opinion is that she doesn't give a shit, she wants to be with Sonic, her actions in spite of that show strength. Try applying that to real life situations. "I don't care what happens in Whateverstan"
>>587876674>Female characters were being written fine beforehand they just weren't the MC most of the time. I think Amy's problem in the 2000's was just how frequently and consistently they made the characters roll her eyes at her or not take her seriously. It framed her as a joke character.Here is the thing. This didnt actually happen much at all. Even acountinf for Cream being the only one to really do it.But because it was so comon of a trend in the west at the time, Amy just kind of got peeceptionally roped in with them as "one of those". Funny enough, Classic Amy fits in the pattern more than Modern Amy did. Amy in adventure was moving into being an ingenue wirh hands who is headstrong and firey.
>give *character who is less important than Tails* a Tailswhy
Where is wear less guy
>>587877352Nobody watched Code Lyoko. Sonic was way more mainstream and while a lot of Sonicfags are weebs a lot more of them are westnormies who mainly watched/co/shit.
>>587881061I guess if you want to look at it that way sure. I took it as incredibly selfish and cruel even when I played the game as a kid especially because she knew what was going to happen and it was her own people and country that was gonna get fucked the most.
>>587880898That's ironic, modernshit is what made amy a villain
>>587879950I can't think of a single Sonic character that had good management. Even Tails peaked at Adventures 1 & 2.
>>587880184I don't know what strategy or propaganda whatever you're talking about AMY IS SUPPOSED TO BE AMYWhat people hate is the very concept of Amy. And if the only solution you can think is trying to "Calm her down" or "disguise" her in any way, then YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM. What MAKES Amy "Amy" is that her emotional behavior is the direct contrast of Sonic. Sonic is cool headed. Chill and laidback. Aloof. He's NOT very emotionally expressive in the first place, that's why the animation showing him being emotional is getting so meme'd on. Sonic keeps his truest feelings on the down low. Subtle. That is NOT AMY. AT ALL. AMY IS LOUD AND PASSIONATE AND HOT HEADED AND INTENSE AND OVERWHELMING. She wears her heart on her sleeve. And the most important part of all this is that Sonic & Amy are the same in every other way. Carefree, impulsive, short tempered, loves adventure, impatient. But Amy lets her emotions run HOT while Sonic keeps it cool. Amy is an impatient impulsive hothead with intense passion and she is always unapologetically herself, bearing her whole heart to the world, openly proclaiming her undying love for Sonic the Hedgehog and that SHE is his girlfriend. Her whole dynamic with Sonic is built around being OVERWHELMING and "too much" for Sonic to handle. But the most critical element is that Amy is pure of heart, compassionate, sweet, and driven by LOVE above all else. Not just towards Sonic alone, she shares love with the world and always has. But CREAM's mere presence soaked up all the "cute sweet girl" moments so Amy was left with all this aggression only able to express it through anger or chasing Sonic alone, and THAT is what makes her entire character look bad by comparison. But even without Cream, anyone who would find Amy annoying, would've found Amy annoying regardless because she is the pure embodiment and SYMBOL of the very IDEA of this bright pink love-obsessed girlfriend figure that an entire culture hated intensely.
>>587877632>turning her into just girl Sonic instead of Pink girl Sonic.We arent even trying to hide the agenda at this point.
>>587881224Because unlike tails, amy actually has a social life
>>587881297She has a selfish opinion but is ultimately too responsible to abide by it. Did you play Spider-man PS4? The ending has the exact same function but is more subtle about it. Peter cares more about his aunt May than curing the world, he just doesn't say it out loud. It's left up to interpretation what was going through his head when he tried to selfishly use the cure to keep her alive. Elise is the same here, she's expressing how much it hurts to let Sonic go, it's very blunt and indeed cruel. She isn't stupid enough to actually let the world burn. For the child audience this is a pretty good lesson, you will have to do things you hate. Rouge and Amy also make similar declarations about the world vs personal connections.
>>587881513Sonic isn’t a dating sim
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>>587881297They could have gotten the concept across by showing Elise shake her head at the thought of blowing out the candle. 06 takes itself so seriously that when she says something like that it feels more potent than something like Eggman calling himself evil all the time.
imagine making a character meant for japanese children your harem protagonist fantasies
>>587881382Sparky, why do you molest your sister?
>>587881297So? She still blew out the fire after all
>>587881398come on anon, we're just playing around here
>>587881382I'm saying you need to convince people LOUD AND PASSIONATE AND HOT HEADED AND INTENSE AND OVERWHELMING is good, or they're going to keep pushing her to change. Do your job and go change people's minds! Maybe the best way of doing this is creating good content featuring the true Amy.
>>587881580They said social life, not love life.
>>587881297Option 1: You get to stay with your amazing girlfriend who is everything you ever wantedOption 2: China explodes Elise isn't close with her people, she is being honest in the heat of the moment. The reality is she made the decision to save the world anyways.
Looks like no trailer today from KCA. Either Thanksgiving week or early December at most. Maybe Geoff actually got the trailer this time.
>>587881728But that’s common in anime?
>>587879170When? She's been attached to Whisper's hip like a fucking strap-on.
>>587881778>Maybe the best way of doing this is creating good content featuring the true Amy.Ironically the reception to the Japanese Amy intro video was overwhelmingly positive, whether from old fans who missed seeing that side of her or new fans who found her more exciting than they realized she could be. But the problem is that those videos stay exclusively in Japanese (officially) so no one outside of Japan or the hardcore fans checking Japanese content ever get to see them. That video alone, in English, would do wonders for her reputation.
>>587881860did spongebob still keep his streak for best cartoon?
>>587878895BASED AND AMYPILLEDhttps://youtu.be/ZZrkjT0u0S8Also agreed. People are being to charitable to her detractors. People make a million and 1 excuses for Shadow, Knuckles, Tails, Sonic, Silver, but when it comes to Amy there wasnt such charity because there was already a bias against doing so to begin with.
>>587881837Having a vaguely defined “social life” would only matter in a game if said game was a dating sim
Elias's test of character is having actions speak louder than words. Her actions are selfless and her words are selfish. It's a good moment in a bad game.
>>587881953>>587881778Bestie, meds please.
>>587882032Or, and hear me out, it can be part of a person's character and have absolutely nothing to do with dating sims, you neanderthal.
>>587879167>they kept on writing her that wayThis didnt happen. What games in the 2000s was Amy really a problem in that people actually played?Anon is right. They did it on principle.
>>587881892we are talking about a kids game
>>587881519Yea. I see your point. It actually helps me look at it in a different light. I can see how that's what they were intending the scene to come across as. The completion of her arc being that she has to let go of Sonic because there's nothing else he can do for her or teach her. This is actually a rare time I find a cognizant criticism of that scene that's different than mine. I still think it came off as way too strong but she ended up doing it anyway.>>587881681Yea this is what my perspective is. The game frankly was just way too tropey but it also want to be taken seriously. It didn't help that there are a few comedy scenes that just do not hit and some people didn't even think they were meant to be funny because the animations, facial expressions and line deliveries were so awkward.>>587881735Did you read my post?
>>587881382Amy is a fundamentally japanese character and her essence was never and will never be tolerated by western audiences whose culture has grown to reject these types of characters. That's just how things are sadly, Amy was born at the tail end of the spiritual feasibility of her character.
I think it's funny that the japanese are also saying Sonic is washed.
>this is what pre-2010sfags wantKEKAROO
>>587881839>Option 1: be with aehot chick for the rest of my life >Option 2: No more ChinaWhy can't I choose both?
>>587882054Not now, Duofag, the adults are having a conversation. Go play in the corner with your AI and make something you can cry yourself to sleep with.
>>587879419Her classic colors are more garish if anything. Lightening then up with pastelles on newer media is doing a lot to make them not make your eyes bleed.Still cute but Amy's modern outfit is superior and sells her as having leveled up in life from just a civilian
>>587879739Nothing happens in IDW.
>>587882098Please tell me how Amy having a social life makes her more important than Tails in Sonic games (it doesn’t)
>>587882165JP never had a particularly strong opinion of Sonic.
>>587882143western culture is a shithole
>>587882050>Elias
>>587880291amy is green now, she hates sonic and she wants to spread her love (pussy) with the world keep up with the times
>>587882284You can have that argument with a different anon, because I didn't say that. And I'm not entirely sure the one you were originally arguing with did either.
I think there is a lot of power in not having a character say their opinion out loud during a climactic scene. The audience tends to make more charitable and nuanced assumptions if you don't spell it out but left clues. Imagine if Shadow said "If Maria really wanted revenge I would let you all burn to death". He would actually do that, but no one ever thinks about it.
>>587882319JP are literally saying that Sonic shouldn't act like the animated short portrays him as.
>>587882143-I- AM A WESTERN AUDIENCE, AND I LOVE AMY AS A CHARACTER, AND I AM NOT ALONE. THIS ENTIRE FRANCHISE -IS JAPANESE-. And even then, Amy is just a GIRL. A UNIVERSAL IDEAL OF A "GIRL". Based on a WESTERN CARTOON ARCHETYPE. There will always be an audience for Amy. The problem is that a lot of people want GUYS to be fiery and passionately emotional while GIRLS become stoic and cold. Hence, BOTH Sonic & Amy are being attacked FOR BEING SONIC & AMY. In case you didn't notice, ALL of this is directly impacting SONIC HIMSELF TOO. Because Sonic & Amy's characters are directly interconnected in this way.
>>587881675>blazamy >amarine Thread cooked with Amy dynamics tonight. Amy should take a vacation to Sol for her next solo adventure.
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>>587882386Something something Kishimoto thinks Americans need everything spelled out, something something Ian thinks Sonic fans are retards, something something they're both unfortunately right.
>>587882437>>587882339>>587882143I think you need to go to a medic
>>587879695>they've been succeedingPeople complain just as much about Amy as before. If not more now. Its just now you have people who dislike Amy doing the gatekeeping against those that liked her.
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>>587882437No Sonic was perfectly fine in Sonic 1, 2, and 3&K without the pink shit stinking his character.
>>587881959Yup, lot of shilling for Tundermans too.
>>587882342Rape me
>>587879950You're doing the materialist shit autist thing where you treat material outcomes as the only thing mattering. But also>it meant nothing necause Shadow gets amnesia.If she didnt do that, everyone dies retard.
Would Shadow rather have his dick sucked, or suck some other hedgehog's dick?
>>587882463>"But what about our friends, miss Amy?">"Yeah, yeah, have you guys seen a frog and a chao with a bowtie?">"No?">"Well, we tried. Be ready to address me as mrs Amy."
>>587882463We're still doing this? Go ahead and post the 06 scene, too. Just go ahead and tell us how little you understand banter and anything that actually happens in the games. You join a long line of retards with no literacy or critical thought.
That expression being put on past Sonic content shows it doesn't fit the character. It's an expression Sonic never actually made until that short.
>>587882463>call-back to sa2SONIC FANS ARE IDIOTS
Goodnight! (:
>>587882135>The game frankly was just way too tropey but it also want to be taken seriouslyIt's a hard thing to critique because people assume you want the meta era. 06 treats itself with so much sincerity that we have to take what the characters are saying seriously like an adult story.
>>587882685It doesn't fucking matter dude this is a game for retarded children with character models made to look like Happy Meal toys, If Amy says something cringe, regardless if it's her deep plot motivation in the game, it stuck forever, owe it to the lines
>>587882612Can't do that to a willing.
>>587882491I think you need to go fuck yourself
>>587882757Gn!
>>587882689I don't think you're supposed to think those flashbacks are literally how they happened. They're just memories showing inner thoughts. This isn't a real characterization issue, complaining about this when stuff like Prime and Archie exist makes us look insane.
>>587882572He should've died in the 90s, maybe he would've preserved his "aura"
>>587882697Easy there now, bestie.>>587882685I think that pic only furthers his point. Amy had no reason at all to fight with Sonic to begin with.
>>587881073Amy is made fun of as "that crazy girl" several times in the games.>In SA2 where Sonic throws his hand at her and scoffs when she asks for marriage.>In Heroes where Sonic is again shown to be annoyed with her more than anything else>In Battle where Tails, Rouge and Cream all get put off by her and basically call her crazy>In Riders where she winks at Sonic and he's put off and that gag at the end of the game where she's chasing Sonic trying to pulverize him (valid crashout)I'm sure I'm forgetting a few scenes. Then on top of that you had the fandom collectively headcanoning her as some crazy yandere type of character or just straight up mocking her and calling her annoying. Amy was not treated well in the 2000's at all and the writing and framing didn't help. You now remember all those fanpics and comics from the 00's where Amy is stabbing or killing another female character for just standing next to Sonic.
>>587882919That's not the point. Sonic never expressed himself like that ever and when you put it in previous material it still looks wrong.
>>587883006>the pic showing why she's fighting Sonic indicates that she has no reason to fight Sonic
>>587880320Yes>>587880794I also like Heroes Amy. More headstrong asserting Amy who talsk smack is good.>>587880814>sounds insane.Anon, why are you treating an emotional but honest blurt out by a young girl like some moral dilemma. Western altruism was a fucking mistake man.It makes westerners legit prioritize looking and sounding moral over everything to the point of not being making sense anymore.If someone from the future said he has to kill yout mom to save the future, are you just gonna go "uh, I dunno man, can we at least make sure or something"? How is that the normal response and Amy saying fuck you no way is the insane one?
>>587883074Hmm yeah, maybe we are insane. I may need some self awareness myself next time I complain about mischaracterization.
>>587882819Wasn't that game infamously mistranslated?
I can tell which namefags are here based on IQ of posts
>>587882919I understand the point and it makes sense for most of the characters. Fond memories, friends, etc. But the one that always fucks everyone up is the way he looks at Shadow, because it's just completely wrong for their relationship.>>587883180Some parts are worse than others. The Team Sonic/Team Dark fight got it pretty bad by missing the reference to SA2 entirely.
>>587880013Actually, the colors on Classic Amy's design are comprised of two groups of complementary colors; green and red(and pink which is just red at a different tint, so the green shirt compliments Amy's primary colors of pink and red) and blue and orange (with the orange serving as a highlight color that is adjacent to the red on the color wheel). Also, you know what else is blue?
>>587883231Fuck off Krack
>>587883027I also remember all the fanart and memes shitting on sonic because the whole franchise was in the gutter
Just gonna drop that Tangle is literally a better version of Amy for westernes will all her virtues and none of her vices and a more pallatable politically correct design and character direction. It makes sense when you think she's Ian's recreation of who Amy should be.
>>587883231We've only got like two regularly identifiable namefags and one or two that you can kinda guess are also here. Everyone else is just falsely accused of being one of those three and almost always the first two.
>>587883286> But the one that always fucks everyone up is the way he looks at Shadow, because it's just completely wrong for their relationship.It is, but that’s not worth throwing the rest of it out or making fun of it. Because it is very powerful and touching with the others, especially Tails
>>587883027I'd take yandere Amy than the shitmy we have now. At least she'd be fun.
>>587883403Tangle will be forgotten when the comic dies
>>587883173>>587883501It's OOC as shit. Sonic would never look like that and allowing it just gives permission to do it again. That's the bottom line. Zero tolerance.
>>587883027>>In SA2 where Sonic throws his hand at her and scoffs when she asks for marriageThat's not what happens, nor is the game making fun of her for it.>In Heroes where Sonic is again shown to be annoyed with her more than anything elseThey meet up once in the game. Most of Heroes is Amy focusing on helping Cream and Big and beating Eggman.>BattleNo one played Battle.>RidersIts played off as cute. The rest of the game is Amy just being with the gang. The main gag with her is because Sonic attacked her and Amy is mad at him for it and bonks him as punishment. It isnt at her expense. Its at Sonic's.Notice how you simply "named" instances of Amy teasing or flirting with Sonic and didn't actually describe how the game actually presents and treats them?Thats part of my point. People, seemingly you included, did the mental leap/shortcut that Amy is "one of those" and just made up assumptions about what the game was doing ot saying to fit that assumption.Its why people insist Sonic hated Amy or that she was holding him against his eill in SA2 over marriage. These things didnt happen but people remember them wrong because it fits the pattern better to remember them that way.I did the experiment with a friend IRL and he almost had a crisis realising Amy was never like that.
>>587883501I agree, but they fucked it up so bad that everyone is just making fun of it instead of taking it seriously now. You can't really undo that. It was such an easy thing to not fumble, too. Anyone could have told you it was grossly out of place and would kill everything.
>>587883286This furthers my point that Shadow and Rouge had no business being there. They aren’t characters Sonic would ever get sentimental with at all, let alone to the point that was shown. But Daddyzuka will always feed Obesedow I guess
>>587883706Idk if you're actually reading my posts in full. You realize I'm talking about how she was framed and the interpretation that other people took from that, right? I'm not talking about what actually, literally happened in those game.
>>587883403Nobody cares about Tangle. She's more defined by being Whisper's arm-candy and shoulder to cry on than a character.
>>587883652You’re autistic as fuck and also just wrong. Sonic cares about his friends, get over it >>587883727That’s their fuckin problem, not the animation’s fault this fandom is gigatarded
>>587883706>I did the experiment with a friend IRL and he almost had a crisis realising Amy was never like that.Think about how people over the years portrayed Amy in Deviantart, in animations, etc. The popular culture has a vague osmosis idea of who a character is and they go with it, it's the way Sonic's character has always operated. Your friend had that reaction but it's hard to blame him or those people when the vast majority isn't interesting in reaching an in-depth careful understanding of fucking blue hello kitty's franchise so things, even as brief as Team Sonic meets Team Rose become iconic moments that shape how the general public will remember a character as
>>587883965I can see you don't actually like Sonic. Let me guess, you can IDW engaging?
>>587883074>when you put it in previous material it still looks wrong.They are just meme edit jokes, of course they will look wrong on wrong contexts. The face on the animation regardless still fits the mood and context.
>>587883027I think the other anon is right dude. People just dismissed her at face value because of the era. I regularly see more people saying they dismissed ot hated on Amy out of pocket but when they went back they realised she was always good.I even saw people who swore on their life X made them hate Amy, vut they went back only to to find her kind of on the boring side if anything.
The facial expression Sonic makes at Shadow in the short was written, overseen and approved of by the heads of Sonic Team. You can't call it OOC. It was agreed upon 100% by the people who made the franchise and/or are in charge of it today. End of discussion.
A lot of people would like to believe they're stronger than Chris or Elise and would easily let go of family for the greater good. Are you really?
>>587884113No it doesn't. Sonic shouldn't be making that face at all.
>>587884084You don’t like Sonic. “Stupid friends” was never a legitimate thing. Grow up
>>587884084>you can IDW engaging?*you can find IDW engaging?
>>587884190Sonic Team isn't perfect. I'm saying this as a JP purist
>>587884191Yea, I would without really thinking about it. But I'm actually autistic soooooo
>>587884190This is a bad reason. Sonic Team making it doesn’t automatically make it IC
Remember how there was already 90s nostalgia in 2004? (Mega Collection Plus, and Heroes to an extent with Genesis-style visuals and the Chaotix returning)
>>587884191Catch me in the right mood and I probably would. I have pretty potent misanthropic tendencies at times.
>>587884190It was all a compromise. Shadow called Sonic his rival in it and Iizuka said Shadow doesn't see Sonic as that. This animation actually dismantles the idea that Sonic Team actually agrees with the content they sign off on. Kek.
>>587884060Reminds of when somebody thought Silver was a goofball and then actually watched the 06 cutscenes and saw that he was not like that.
>>587884191This is the worst place to ask that kind of question.
The fate of the world was put in the hands of a teenager who just learned to cut loose. Her dream man is right in front of her. She has no other personal connections which we know of. Just the abstract concept of the world, which matters but isn't personal. It's something you're just meant to understand is objectively right. The smart thing to do in this situation is blown the candle out. This goes against all of her instincts and hurts like hell. She makes the correct decision, knowing she will never, ever be able to appreciate the weight of this sacrifice.
>>587884257Never even said that. You're making shit up because you have no argument to defend the expression. It was OOC. That's all there is to it.
>>587884478Iizuka is just addicted to lying. He also said Shadow isn’t like Vegeta when there’s literally proof that Vegeta was in the character concepts
What if Amy Rose was rugged and gritty
>>587883902I did read the post. You didnt talk about how she was framed. In fact in some instances you embellished things to make it sound more like a thing that what it was.Youre insisting upon a framing rather than actually describing how it was framed.>I'm not talking about what actually, literally happened in those game.Your argument was that the 2000s games were not kind to Amy and made her look like one of those to people. This is putting the fault on the media rather than the people, which is the crux of my disagreement.People say wild things about 2000s Amy that just are not true like claiming she held Sonic in prison against his will for marriage or that she had an eating disorder and starved herself to be thin for Sonic in Battle to the point of fainting, or that she called Cream a useless kit and assaulted her, or that she was giving Cream and Sonic concussions or that she "threw Sonic off a building" and is a "yandere" or that she "would side eith Sonic and let the world burn even if he turned into a villain".These are not things you take away from the media from simply engaging with them.You have to be bringing in baggage and projecting it to do so.
>>587884147I'm just going to >>587883902
>>587884218Maybe SEGA has a point with never taking you as target audience if you're gonna talk and rumble like a grandpa on his tilting chair like that.
>>587884661Shadow isn't actually like Vegeta. He's just based off of him.
>>587884612The expression is IC for everyone but Shadow. Those are his friends that he cares for. You could only disagree with that if you are a “shitty friends” faggot
>>587884405What are the requirements for something to be IC if being made by ST isn't enough?
>>587884709You say that while everyone is clowning on that shit.
>>587884686You will spend until the last day of your life complaining it's the people who are wrong, not the medium who failed to convey itself
>>587884737>he isn’t a sandwich, he’s just meat cheese and veggies between bread
Amy should pack a chainsaw instead of a hammer.
>>587884806It isn't IC. Sonic doesn't have to make a uwu face to care about his friends. It's because you want everything bluntly spelled out and show to you. Sonic was not in that short.
>>587884870They're clowning on it because they're taking it out of the context on the animated short. A show of sincere emotion in the franchise's 35th anniversary video from its main character is a step too far. We must make fun of it because appreciating what it's meant to communicate is just way too cringe.
>>587884686Yes I am putting fault on the media. Because the media sucked back then too. You think Sonic being bad is a recent thing? I'm not exonerating the fandom and wider populace at all because the masses are stupid. I remember vividly getting into fights on multiple sites over their interpretation of Amy's character. People are dumb. I don't know why you're trying to frame this as argument between me and you. I agree with your analysis.
>>587884859That it’s actually fuckin IC. Sonic Team is capable of and has made OOC things. You’re confusing IC with canon
>>587882451What about Surgamy??
>>587884667That's how you get Thorn Rose from Sonic Prime
>>587884060Im aware of this. I call it the TFS affect. And yes it happens in general, but it happened with Amy to a disproportionate degree compared to other characters because Amy Amy was a cute pink bubbly love girl during a time when female characters being openly in love and chasing boys were played as antagonistic forces for it in the western cartoons. And so Amy got dismissed as one of those unfairly. Amy is also not a badass shonen protag or rival so she was just subject to a lot of dunking. Even a lot of people who LIKED Amy back then still percieved her in these terms. So its not even about good or bad perception. The people who were gonna hate on her more or less did at face value and most everything else is a rationalization story really.People needed ways to make their dislike of the pink lovey girl who chased Sonic being the main girl sound more legitimate than "its not for me".
Which is the worse cartoon, Ultimate Spider-Man,. or Sonic Prime
>>587884993He doesn’t have to, but he did. And it makes sense with his character in the context of the short. It is IC
>>587884190Sonic Team can be wrong or approve bad things tho
Would Amy accept it if Sonic acted ooc and rejected her and in a clear way
>>587884191None of them actually are. Its just easy and comforting to shit on people who are brave and honest enough to say they wouldnt with a straight face.
You people sicken me. I thought you were JP PURISTS! You can't back down now because you don't like it. Where's all that self-righteous fervor?
>>587885245Amy is "THE GIRL CHARACTER" and people have both high expectations, prejudice, and put "The Girl" under unreasonable scrutiny so it was always going to be harsh for Amy. If sthg is woke enough for this conversation it's a true statement that much of Amy's character suffers under what people expect the main female representative should act like.The issue is Amy just being herself was never enough the moment she became the symbol of a Girl in the Sonic franchise, she had to carry that weight as the mascot she became.
>>587884870>everyoneNope, people on Youtube with tons of views and Twitter under their official account love it. It's a vocal minority. Even all the guys that made meme jokes still complimented largely the animation.You need to change your diapers and move on.
>>587885245Yeah beacause people got sick of it. it got old hat. and whats worse was that amy was very very annoying to the KIDS that played these games, in an era where the internet was becoming more freely available. anyone here remember that it aint just older teens and adults who whack it to amy and cream playing these games?
anons, does bluemy look better in this dress?(shoutout to the hue opacity option on pixelmator for making it look more natural kek)
>>587883764I'm with a lot of the recent Japanese posts that have been shared here. The forced friend groups, especially Shadow who is always written to never really want to be there, is dumb. And Rouge has little to do with Sonic's friends most of the time. She works independently and she mostly overlaps with Shadow and Omega when she needs partners. Her segment felt the most forced. At least Shadow has a solid rivalry for Sonic to look back on. Rouge has almost nothing to do with him.
>>587885294Nope. It's OOC. Sonic wouldn't make that face. A character shouldn't change for the context of something, that makes them shallow and inconsistent.
>>587884257Ehhh, it was but Boomers made the complaint for the wrong ressons.There are in fact too many characters to treat as main recurring leads characters the way people seem to want.
>>587883403Just more one-offs failing to usurp a legacy like Amy or being the fifth face. Now she's Whisper's shoulder or lol so randumb stuff her face meme.
>>587885073This is a huge cope on your part. It's OOC and silly and everyone can see it. If Sonic expressed himself like Sonic actually would, no one would have a problem with it. Just accept that the short missed the mark.
>>587885586> Sonic wouldn't make that faceHe would in his mind when reminiscing about what his friends mean to him. Which is exactly what happened. He didn’t even make the face on the outside, you’re seething and shitting and pissing your pants over nothing. Go find your mommy and she’ll make it better I promise
>>587884606And yet people call her insane for it.Wild.
>>587885558Holy shit it's Miku.
>>587884406Full House is an 80s show and games from the 80s were already being remade and resold in the 90s so that's not even 90s nostalgia-baiting.
>>587885558she looks bluetiful
>>587885558The dress doesn't look as good on her but I like how this hue of blue looks on her.
>>587884975How is it the media when none of these things are in the media? This isnt a case of something being not quite clear ot easy to miss. This is people hallucinating things into the media.
>>587885558Where's her whip?
>>587885518They like the animation. The story and characterization is corny. It's not in-character and you seem to be getting very steamed over that fact.
>>587885617The term applied to ALL the friends, even Tails. Where do you draw that line? You can’t. And Sega treated it accordingly
I am totally fine with the mischaracterization of Sonic. I sort of have mixed feelings on it existing, but I like Sonic acting like this.
>>587885767Most of its popularity was in the 90s (TGIF). Nobody knew about it in 1987.
>>587884686I just wanna say I still adore this art. The artist knocked it out of the park. Such a good piece.
>>587885717Why would he make that face at Shadow "on the inside"? It seems like you just want to defend uwufication because that's the only way you feel emotion for anything. You need characters to act this one way.
>>587885094>Yes I am putting fault on the mediaThis is why I am doing so. I spend a lot of time critiquing the media. Believe me I do. But there are limits to at which point you can only do so so much before realizing it isnt on the media and is just the audience. I can understand people looking at Amy less favorably in Battle or Free Riders than other games. But nobody actually played them.
>>587886002Genuinely, man, the most I can give you on that picture is the VH1 thing, and even then they were doing all of the other preceding decades with it at the same time. The rest are so flimsy they may as well not even be there.
>>587885973Because you don't like Sonic as a character.
>>587886158>>587886158>>587886158
>>587885461 lmao based janny.
>>587886082Nobody wants to consume media they don't find interesting enough to put the effort into it. Sonic is very very low on people's standards, remember Sonic Fucking Sucks. Even more so in the 20 second tiktok youtube shorts twitter cut era.
>>587885538>sick of itSick of what 3 games? The "it gets old" is itself a rationalization. People dont complain about Chilidogs and "gotta go fast" or "Maria" getting old. Its not about it getting old or not. Its about if the person already made up their mind it was bad or not at face value.
>>587886208Anon... I deleted that post myself to fix it.
>>587885728i was partially thinking of miku when i applied the opacity change, the other character that i also thought of was that one chick from bakugan that predated kei's final design for miku (forgot her name)>>587885873what whip kek
>>587885517>Amy is "THE GIRL CHARACTER" and people have both high expectations, prejudice, and put "The Girl" under unreasonable scrutiny so it was always going to be harsh for AmyI agree. And to be fair, all thr first are more controversial and decisive in general. But Amy gets it the worst for the reason you gave.
>>587886075Because it’s a powerful moment in a franchise that is famous for treating Sonic’s friends like shit. It was an acknowledgment to the fans that these characters actually matter, to us the fans and Sonic Team and Sonic himself. I fucking loved it and you faggot retards want to turn into more bitching about shit that doesn’t fucking matter. Kill yourself
>>587885558she looks like the girl from bakugan
>>587885395If Sonic acted OoC, Amy would feel something was wrong.
>>587886564and also like Miku
>>587885558I can't see this as anything other than her having covered herself on toothpaste, im sorry lol.
>>587886480Assassinating their characters and making them do things they won't is not "powerful" and shows the characters don't actually matter to you. You don't really like them. Stop it with the facade.
>>587886373Sure.
>>587885904>where do you draw the line?After SA2. >You can’tMemories and Beyond did.
>>587886762The fixed one is literally right here >>587885697
>>587886712>>587885586>>587883652>>587885697I think this is a bot
>>587886712It’s not assassinating shit you fucking clod. Sonic cares about his fucking friends and is looking back fondly on his memories with them. Making those faces made sense in that contex, period paragraph. I’m done listening to your autistic retarded ass try to say otherwise becuase you can’t accept that Sonic has an actual fucking character and is allowed to express emotion. KILL YOURSELF
>>587886995Sonic cared about his friends before and didn't need to look like that. This is not up for debate.
>>587881860JET NOOOOOOO
>>587886564funny how TMS worked on both shows. and the fact that marucho was basically a tails gijinka who was also voiced by hirohashi in the japanese dub
>>587887089And he did now, because that’s what the whole fucking plot was about retard. That’s what made it powerful
>>587884989Julietmy
>>587887235And this time they did it in a way Sonic wouldn't.
>>587885153Top-tier and better than THAT one.
>>587887406Except he would. Because that’s how much his friends truly mean to him. Get fucked
>>587887743Then you don't know Sonic.
>>587887867I do. Because I know that his friends matter. You do not, therefore you don’t know Sonic. Sonic would hate you for putting down his friends’ worth like this
>>587888148Shadow isn’t his friend.
>>587888481I acknowledged that already >>587884806
>>587888148If you knew Sonic, you would know he wouldn't make that face.
