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Because We Weren't Done Last Thread Edition
Previous thread: >>2158529

Dungeons & Dragons Online is a hybrid tab-target MMO with game mechanics and character building that are heavily inspired by D&D 3.5e.

>Download
https://store.steampowered.com/app/206480/Dungeons__Dragons_Online/
https://www.ddo.com/home
>Misc
Wiki: https://ddowiki.com/
Class overview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqZW1r9_Etg [Embed]
Race overview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x34l6K25B4A [Embed]
Character builds: https://forums.ddo.com/index.php?forums/character-builds-and-classes.24/

MMOdventure info if any of them stuck around:
>Server
Shadowdale
>Guild
Frens Of Eberron
Use this command to enter our chatroom, you can ask for a guild invite in here or just hang out:
/joinchannel MMOD rage

If you want to check out old/dead MMOs with anons check out the MMOD thread: >>2308197
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I feel like in 6 months when this thread dies, the OP should have Strimtom's new player builds rather than the official forum link. While not perfect, they're a lot better than sending someone brand new to the official DDO forums, which are almost entirely optimized builds by 20 year players that involve things not available to f2p newbies

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10-f3Rx_WzxSRUZEpKqK488g96vAKq3CtrRbYbhiDZGA/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.bqnl7q80gndh
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Just dinged 30 on 1st life. What filigree sets are good if I'm a pala and just want to slap shit with my big sword?
The perma haste from celerity looks nice and I already got rare reflex and rare dodge, but the only other part that would benefit me is wis and that's a raid drop so fat chance I'll get that any time soon.

Also, does filigrees have to be slotted in the same item to get set bonus or could I split a 4set between weapon and artifact and still get 4set bonus? The wiki isn't really clear on this.
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>>2341941
You can split a set between weapon and minor artifact. For a melee paladin I would focus on primary damage stats which is strength/charisma, Attack+damage, Crit Damage and Fortification Bypass.

Also I always consider space for image related.
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>>2342057
Intredasting. Strictly doing gen1, so I figure something like 3part Celerity and 4part One Against Many + that electro is something to work towards. Maybe swap One for Beast Mantle or 4part Long Shadow, but I don't know if imbue dice are worth prioritizing.
Going to take a while regardless, because I haven't picked up Voice of the Master yet and I only just unlocked the 2nd slot. Morninglord weapon, so no sparks.
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>reincarnate into my 8th heroic life
>doing all of korthos on elite only gave me 1.25 levels
>mfw
If I didn't have a greater tome of heroic learning, I'm not even certain I would have gotten a single level. SSG really do be slimy like that, yet another seemingly necessary QOL cash shop feature for the books.
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I have a point in Law of the Divine. If I take the Embodiment of Law feat, will I need to reset my destiny points to get the full effect of LotD or will it recognize that I now have the feat and give me the bonus effect without needing a respecc?
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>>2341165
Good game, I recommend.
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>notice I have 100 shared bank slots code activated in my store transaction history
>can't see it anywhere
>ask support what's going on
>akshually you have to buy the basic 30 shared slot, the 100 slots is just an upgrade to that
fucking hell
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YOU FUCKERS LIVE?
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>>2353636
Technically.
I'm trying to figure out a gear set that doesn't require raiding and covers the basic affixes (deathblock, featherfall, jump). Ideally without having to rely on hermias cloak or having to level cannith.
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They really need to add a barbarian archetype, pure barbarian is so boring it's unreal. This is easily my most painful life to date.
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>>2354327
I've heard the superior option is to Multiclass Drd 8/Barb 12 so you can Rage as a Winter Wolf Wolf or Dire Bear.
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Kinda stopped playing DDO in favor of LOTRO. After finishing Mists of Ravenloft every other expansion felt boring and repetitive.
Especially when you're not a VIP and you have to do a dungeon 3 times to unlock Elites. Sure, you can reincarnate and unlock them automatically, but then in the beginning you're mainly just rushing through the content to unlock Elite mode. I prefer to take things slowly and it feels like DDO is not a slow paced game.
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>>2354355
Yeah, it's definitely good for multiclassing but I've chosen to do every first class life as a purist, just so I can fully understand the class for future lives. Thus far nothing has come close to how boring barbarian is. It's not bad, it's got survivability and damage, but it's very boring.

>>2354453
Don't blame you. I'm glad they added a means to get higher difficulty unlocks without VIP -- but it's still garbage and annoying, and something that kept me from fully investing in this game for nearly two decades. I know I'll NEVER run an alt without a static leveling group, I'll just continue reincarnating as my main until I get epic, class and racial completionist, because I can't stand running dungeons on anything lower than elite (or hard for the ones with insufferable mechanics, like Protect Baudry's Interests).
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>>2354580
Fun fact about Protect Baudry's Interests,
They made the crate immortal a couple updates ago, just get your kobold kill count and then go take a piss.
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>>2354760
What da hell...
That's good to know, thanks. I've hated that quest since 2009.
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Heyooo, I love finding good shit in this game. Running around in my shitty light armor as a 6 ranger, find a +3 Reinforced 53% Mithril Battle Half Plate of Deathblock, level freaking 6. 21 to 28 ac. My noob life just got so much easier.
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>>2354760
They should make completion partywide for "click object to complete quest" shit. I've lost count how many times I've had to rerun shit because someone didn't pay attention and ported out after the status box changed to complete.
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>>2356439
Why would you re-run an entire dungeon for nerfed xp because some retard ported out? Make them red door the rest of the chain, aint nobody got time for that.
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>>2356439
I can't think of a single quest that fits that description.
Catacombs you can always run up top if you don't click on the guy in quest, Spinner of Shadows you can accept the quest in the harbor
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>>2356479
>Why would you re-run
Because I'm mostly playing with a friend who can be incredibly retarded sometimes.

>>2356559
We're halfway through the mist of ravenloft arcs currently. So far I've had to re-run 2 of them (Invitation to Dinner and Oath of Vengeance I think). I also had to re-run the second to last quest for epic Voice of the Master.
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>>2356559
I couldn't think of anything other than Catacombs either.
>>2356602
Literally no Ravenloft quests require you to click something in the dungeon to advance or get credit, what the fuck are you even saying?
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>>2356656
Anon... the book is click to complete quest shit. I clicked it, but my friend didn't so he couldn't advance chain before a re-run.
Turns out I probably misremembered the botched Voice of the Master quest as a second failed Ravenloft quest.
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Despite it having a main story about some schizo lesbian couple, I'm enjoying Chill of Ravenloft. I really like the aesthetic.
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>>2357771
Being a real easy source of HL 8 gear is a nice bonus too. There's a few items in there that will carry a build until 20.

>Elises Grasp: ML8 with Strength of Purpose
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>>2356678
>Anon... the book is click to complete quest shit.
So I was 90% sure that picking up the tome gives everyone credit, but I didn't want to call you out on it because I started second guessing myself. After doing Raven at the Door during a saga run just now I can tell you with certainty that picking up the tome gives the entire party credit, even if you're nowhere near the last room.

I'm not sure how your friend fucked up, but it wasn't from the tome. And if you've really "lost count of how many times" you've had to rerun a dungeon for shit that doesn't actually exist outside of the Catacombs, you should probably do a little more research every time your friend tells you some bs.

>>2360831
Strength of Purpose does seem really good for heroics, I'll need to look into getting those gloves. I already have fast healing 3 and ancient blessings 1 so that synergy would be dope for later lives.
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>>2357771
>lesbian
Well Victor is canonically written as a man, they just made him a tranny for some unknown reason
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>>2362066
-Was- canonically written as a man, but 5e changed that. It's honestly kind of surprising how much DDO takes from current DND. Does their two-decades old contract with WOTC allow them to use intellectual property freely? Or do they simply not care, considering how the current Hasbro CEO doesn't even know DDO and Neverwinter exist?
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>>2362409
I believe for modern stuff they have to ask to license but a lot of stuff they use is so old WOTC doesn't give a flying fuck about anymore. If it was even owned by WOTC in the first place.
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>Mantle of Nature
>Thorn: Your Acid, Poison and Force spells have a chance to blast one target for an additional 1d6/1d6+3/1d6+6 damage per Character Level of the same type as the spell used. All effects scale with 100% Spell Power. Each element can only strike once every 5 seconds, tracked separately. Any Melee or Ranged attack can also generate one of these effects.
>Note: Weapon attacks can proc Acid, Poison and Pierce (not Force) damage.

How the fuck does this work with melee. Do I need to use a weapon/slot an aug that does acid/poison to proc it or does it just proc from my normal non-acid/poison melee damage?
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>>2363199
from my experience it procs off normal weapon attacks. Very useful when combined with shared mantle and a melee focused hireling.
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>>2363218
Oh thank fuck. I was worried I'd have to bother with augs for that. Would you happen to know the answer to this >>2344983 as well?
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>>2363228
I want to say as soon as you take the feat the secondary ability becomes active but I think all permanent effects are checked when you load in a character so I don't think you need to respec.
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>>2363237
Still a ways off before it becomes an issue, but I'll probably respecc just in case. It's only 65k plat for peace of mind anyway.
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I wish I could get a few of my friends to play this.
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I played in 2009 when the game went free to play. It was my first MMO. I was very limited in what I could purchase, but I was around to heal Shroud/VOD/HOX raids on the weekends. I never reincarnated, never finished my greensteel or dragontouched crafting, and I lost interest when they raised the cap beyond 20, because there was too much to buy. I always yearned to play again.
Then came covid in 2020, and they gave away all the adventure packs for free. I nolifed DDO for a solid 3 years, building up a triple racial, triple iconic, nearly triple heroic character with 110+ reaper points. In addition, I had a geared out alt healer running weekly reaper raids and R10s on the side. I lost interest after they raised the cap beyond 30, because I had pretty much accomplished what I had set out to do: fulfill the desires of my younger self to conquer the game, and I was not interested in staying gear relevant during the slow biannual climb all the way up to 40.
Finally, in the last year or so, I have convinced a few friends to try DDO out. We're only up to level 8 in all that time, but it has been some of the best times I've ever had in the game.
I'll undoubtedly come back at level 40, and might knock out a few racial lives here and there until then. Thanks for reading my blog.
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>>2365978
Same. I have a pretty tight nit guild so it's something, but I really wish I could get my actual friends to play. One tried it and had fun but he couldn't get past the graphics, he kept laughing every time he looked at his Dragonborn.
>>2367230
>I played in 2009 when the game went free to play.
That's when I started too. I'd play from time to time when I'd get a DND itch but I never got very far until last year. Currently kinda doing what you did in 2020, grinding out past lives and RP. It's a lot more fun than the traditional MMO grind for me, I've never enjoyed MMO raid end games and stuff.
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Is there a set time when the daily clear bonus resets or does it follow the same 16 hour cooldown as the daily roll?
Also, fuck whoever thought up the ransack system. Instance specific non-raid loot you can't grind for is bullshit.
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>>2368090
>Is there a set time when the daily clear bonus resets or does it follow the same 16 hour cooldown as the daily roll?
It's 18 hours after completion.
>Also, fuck whoever thought up the ransack system. Instance specific non-raid loot you can't grind for is bullshit.
Yeah it's pretty retarded, especially if you're farming solo for a specific item. But don't worry! They recently added an item to reset chest ransack, all you gotta do is pre-order the collector's edition of Chill of Ravenloft!
https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Potion_of_Loot_Ransack_Reset
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best way to make the game not look like shit at 4k?
I would use nvidia image scaling but it requires full screen at lower resolution which fucks up my second monitor.
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>>2369852
Lossless Scaling
https://forums.ddo.com/index.php?threads/lossless-scaling-app-ddo-running-ddo-at-1080p-full-screen-on-4k-desktop.15824/
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>>2341165
>be level 15, 16, 17, or 18
>dont want to buy sharn
>uninstall
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>>2372602
I boughted Sharn for 99 DDO points. You snooze ya lose, bucko.
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>tell group that i need a named item from quest
>full party, nobody else needs it
>it drops, awww yeah
>guy loots it
>"whoops misclick lol!"
(WAKE ME UP)
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Dungeon sisters... are we dead?
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>>2392273
Yes, I'm busy playing LOTRO. Anniversary event started 3 days ago.
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>want belt from sunrise
>keep getting nightmother shit
reeee
At least it's gem fodder.
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As pala, do I prioritize smite evil charges over everything else or are the 19 you get from spec sufficient? I'm eyeing a feywild cloak, but I just realized there's another cloak with +2 smite charges. If I go for that, I'll have to cover featherfall and +jump elsewhere and there aren't really any other viable named souces of jump, outside of a shitty boe wheloon belt that requires rng.
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Is crafting worth anything or does everybody just ends up using named loot anyways?
And if it is, is this a "must go all in" situation or are there different levels of investment that yield useful results?
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>>2397237
On the first note Crafting covers a couple of areas, firstly in low level crafts getting you items that just don't show up yet like blindness immunity and true sight. Secondly it's great for min-maxing because named items don't cover /every/ level and farming specific named items can be a pain in the ass at times. Certain items also have an essence craftable note which is important for Runearms and the ever popular Gem of Many Facets. It's also really useful for the rare randomly dropped items that roll double augments because those can be made superior to named loot of their level. especially if it's bullshit like purple/green on a non-weapon.

As for investment the best investment you can make towards Essence crafting is dissolving randomly dropped loot when you have a full inventory, it's the fastest way to get essence. It's super fast to level as long as you have enough essence and watching out for a DDO bonus days like last weekend helps. Get ~50K essence some +25%-35% crafting boosters and a (Really cheap) crafting EXP boost and you got everything you need to hit 400 using a guide.
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>>2397625
Good shit anon. Thanks.
I remember crafting used to be a lot more fiddly back in the day, but it seems that they simplified it a bit.
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I really hate how dogshit this fucking game engine is, and how absolutely fucking retarded hirelings are.
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>epic barbarian be like
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why did they make a lot of blue items bound on account, and then left a bunch of others as bind on equip?
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Is there any info on what they're doing with drow for the next expansion? Is it just a visual upgrade or are they changing the race entirely?
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>>2420137
it has the lowest base stats or something of all the characters I think, so probably just fixing that.
this is a 1-year project for the solo developer that manages DDO and LOTRO. he still has to make expansions too.
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Are we cooked Ddogs? Is it over for this general?
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>>2432947
this is /VM/ so we can be slow as shit.
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>>2438468
True, but this seems slow even for /vm/.
Anyway started an artificer life, by far my favorite class so far. Does anyone know if strinati's carries into epic or do I need to replace it?
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>>2438908
In a perfect world you replace Strinati's with Toven's Hammer at 19 and then never replace your rune arm again but getting people to do H Master Artificer is suffering.
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>>2439190
Yeah, I've never seen anyone running that raid.
I guess I'll stick with Strinati then, even if the power scales down in epics it'll still be useful to bust boxes.
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Can't find any relevant information in the internet, so I hope anons can help.

What kind of light armor do I wear as a rogue?
I have seen and used plenty of chainmail armor, which gives more AC, but -1 armor check penalty (how important is it?)
Or do I stick with leather armor that has no penalties but less AC?
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>>2442297
Just use whatever gives you better stats. The armor check penalty is pretty much nothing for light armor, and the arcane spell failure on light armor doesn't apply to rogues/arcane archers. Keep in mind that they both have a max dex bonus as well, so theoretically if you got your dex to +6 the leather would provide the same AC as the chain.

Go for the armor with the bigger number while leveling, while keeping the enhancement bonuses they provide as the more important priority.
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>>2432947
It's fine.
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>>2444101
Thanks!
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What's the most busted class for solo play in heroic/epic? Repeating crossbow artificer with harper tree has been super smooth, I think it's the first pure class I've played where I can comfortably solo R1s without sweating.
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>friend wants to resub for vip after break
>keeps getting rejected
>wants to switch game because he can't paypig
>googling suggests it's because he moved country after being subbed last
Does anyone have experience with fixing this? At a glance it seems like the only solution is going to be a back-and-forth with support, which frankly shouldn't be necessary. It's like they want him to beg for the privilege of giving them money.
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>all happy i can solo r1 comfortably now
>join r6 group
>realize theres levels to this shit and im nowhere near being good
>mfw
>>2451324
Why would anyone ever pay for VIP?
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>>2451829
You get all the adventure packs "for free" and don't need to wait until 3rd life to go directly for elite ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
There's also some other stuff, but hey it's his money. Not mine.
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>>2451838
They give out the adventure packs for free so often that I've literally only ever had to buy one, which was Tavern Tales I think, and I'm pretty sure it was given out for free later as well. Also don't have the new Deck one but that's overpriced and with garbage drop rates.
Either way, props to your friend for wanting to financially support the game.
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>>2452778
I've played for ~6 months and I've yet to see anything given away beyond the annual starterpack giveaway. Closest I've seen was 3 (5?) packs that wasn't in the annual discounted to 99 each.
I'm still lacking salt marsh, vecna, myth drannor, isle of dread, tavern tales, the new ravenloft and one or two more. Plus the new dragon thing, obviously.
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>>2452802
Everything you listed besides Tavern Tales and Dragon Cards is an expansion, not an adventure pack you doofus.
Salt Marsh, Vecna, IoD, MD, and Chill are the "newest" expansions in that order, and the 99 point reduction only seems to apply to an expansion once it becomes older.

For instance, Feywild went to 99 points for the first time last year, so it's safe to assume that Salt Marsh will be the next to be put to 99 points during sales. As for when, who knows...

Adventure Packs, meanwhile, are constantly bundled into these mass new player coupons and there's barely any that don't make the cut, maybe Tavern Tales, the rat one in Wheelon, and the new dragon one, but those are the only ones I can think of. So having access to "all" of them while on VIP isn't really worth the price, given how easy it is to get them for free.
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kobolds could be there....
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>>2449060
Feels like Archetypes come in 3 flavors.

>Hybrid: Stormsinger, Dragon Disciple, Sacred Fist, Dark Hunter
>One Trick Pony Gimmick: Wild Mage, Dark Apostate, Acolyte of the Skin
>Overpowered bullshit: Dragonlord, Arcane Tricker, Blightcaster

Classes in the third category absolutely fuck when built right.
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>>2470928
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>>2482210
Makes sense, I've only done Dragonlord thus far on an alt but even as a 28 point buy with shitty gear that character seems to mog half of my lives on my main haha. Looking to try Arcane Trickster here soon and eventually I'll do Blightcaster once I get my 1x class completionist done since I've already done druid.
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>>2483690
kek
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>mfw doing legendary r10 while still in epic levels
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Does VM has a guild or something? Would like to play again but I am afraid everybody is overpowered and know every "optimal" path. Just want to fuck around and try dungeon for the first time with other noob.
I was playing With 3 friends until level 17, we didn't look at anything and for sur messed up our build and it was fun.
Also fuck this captcha and waiting time
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>doing isle of dread intro quest
>die at aquamancer 2nd to last boss because of stunlock bullshit
>jibbers, kill final boss, holy shit i'm going to complete this
>2 minute cutscene of vecna yapping, die, cant complete quest because you have to swim to foxpaw at the end
>reaper so no re-entry
>mfw
I fucking hate IoD and Vecna so fucking much, what dogshit expansions filled to the brim with stupid yapping cutscenes by that retarded tranny that they fired thank god inshallah.
>>2506523
Closest thing was the MMOdventure guild when they were running it, but the vast majority of them are gone, so nah we don't have a guild and most of us aren't new players.
Your best bet is to run every dungeon by yourself first, unfortunately DDO is a game of oldfags so you're really not gonna find new players to run content with.
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>>2506523
Did you even try to read the OP? No idea if anyone stuck around, but that's probably the closest you'll get.

>waaah captcha
Entirely your own fault for being a phoneshitter.
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My latest character is so ugly that I'm rushing to HR just so I don't have to look at his ugly mug anymore. Dragonborns were a mistake.
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I played DDO what has to be more than a decade ago, frankly dont remember much details its mostly emotional (in a good way)

However I had some issues with the "free" to play style, like you *could* access all content in the game for free but realistically not, I think thats fair (like you get a trial run at the game and if you like it, subscribe!) but then there was also pure power items in the shop, like there was a book that gave you +2 in all attributes?
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>>2517534
>like there was a book that gave you +2 in all attributes?
It's worse, there's a +8 supreme ability tome now. Currently it roughly equates to $60 of in-game currency (ddo points); it occasionally drops down to like $15, but I've never been around when it does and I think it's been several years since they done it.

Tomes can still be achieved natty, though. I've been able to build up my tomes to +5 across the board just by using the shard exchange, flipping and selling items and then placing last minute bids on tomes for sale. Haven't paid a cent, and it has allowed me to put my DDO points earned through favor towards expansions, classes, and races instead.
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>bearded duergar f*males in the next expansion
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>>2523564
>we want the tranny and the ugly fridge audience
Mechanically they look interesting at least. First Forgotten Realms race means they can level as a Sylvanus Maul build, racial AP to make permanent Enlarge for better crits/Reduce to cap out Dodge.
Just have to make sure to click on Male at character creation.
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>>2525947
I'd be shocked if they wanted the tranny audience considering how Vecna Unleashed was received.
Also using Enlarge while mounted looks like it might be an issue.
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Devils choice: Grind out a set that gives everything you want but has that one item that won't fucking drop or Grind out a Sun/Moon augment item for an augment that definitely will never drop when you want.
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>>2525947
Well in the original Tolkien lore dwarf men and women were indistinguishable at a glance, so the women had beards and lacked tits

That being said this is D&D, so eh
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I have decided that I will just run Inquisitive Past Lifer for eternity because I'm tired of managing tons of gear sets and I hate chasing shit as a melee or keeping an eye on SP as a caster.
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is there a secret discord for broken and OP builds? i know the playerbase intentionally keeps this shit under wraps to prevent nerfs, just wondering if they share it somewhere other than the forums, reddit, or somewhere visible to the devs
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A man spent $500 to do 17 racial reincarnations over the course of a single weekend. My thanks goes out to these niggas for single handedly keeping the game alive through their frivolous spending.
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>>2539322
Absolutely mind numbing. This is why I make it a habit to do every life differently, This time I'm doing an ETR on an iconic Dragonlord SDK combo because I'm so overpowered that even Reaper Lamordia doesn't scare me. Next life I'm TRing at 20 as an alchemist because Alchies suck.
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>>2539524
Yeah, the completionist mentality is kind of insane. Since starting last year I've always felt the TR train was about the journey, not the destination, where you can try out new builds and gameplay styles each life and then get minor mechanical benefits after.
Although I will agree with a major gripe of the thread I got these comments from: it doesn't really make sense why heroic completionist is only 1x classes, while racial is 3x. (15 reincarnations vs racial's 51).
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Does paladin smite evil scale with spellpower, and if yes what kind? The tooltip only mentions CHA and the wiki is no help.
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>>2557842
No it's a weapon attack that adds bonus to weapon attack damage so Melee/Ranged Power is the go to. Everything Smite related is always MP/RP scaled.
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>>2539322
SSG is notorious for ignoring the fuck out of their userbase. Yes, you are correct in that DDO (and LOTRO) is largely supported by whales.
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>>2563084
>SSG is notorious for ignoring the fuck out of their userbase
Including, but not limited to, never bothering to fix quest breaking bugs unless they occur 100% of the time.
Bit odd you still get location locked and have to manually request a location update if you want to paypig from another country than the one you first paypigged from. You'd think that would be something they'd fix right away, it being money related and all.
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>>2563036
Figures. Friend was adamant it had to scale on spellpower and wouldn't take me pointing out it's listed under Attacks for an answer.
That aside, should I prioritze smite charges over everything else? There's a filigree set and a cloak with extra charges, but I don't know if they're worth going for.
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>>2563134
No, if you are running smite evil you get enough bonus charges and charge regeneration from KOTC and Divine Crusader to never run out. Better to filigree the standard melee set or charisma set for the trance.
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>>2563185
>No
Nice, Divinity is a rare set so it's a bitch to grind.
>trance
wut
I assume melee is 5 part Dreadbringer but I have no idea what the trance set is. Closest would be Blodd Feast but that doesn't proc on pala trance. And it's another 5 set so I wouldn't be able to slot it anyway.
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>>2563231
KOTC Trance scales with Charisma so you might want a secondary "Set" (Not really going for set bonuses here) that pumps charisma and nothing else to squeeze out more attack/damage/tactics bonus from the trance since it snapshots.

It's kinda overkill so running Dreadbringer/Shattered Device (If it ever drops) is fine enough.
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>>2563261
Well shucks, turns out I don't actually have access to any of the gen 3 places so I'll have to camp AH for Dreadbringer. Sanctified Fervor looks pretty good at a glance, but I assume 30 fort bypass beats 15 AP and 2 doublestrike.

Thanks, this should keep me occupied for a while.
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There's something immensely satisfying about being able to break away from the group in R1 and solo objectives to get the dungeon done quicker.
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>>2523564
chonky
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Why the fuck did they make the Myth Drannor wilderness so big, and without proper teleports? Mists has a huge wilderness area but you can teleport to every single dungeon through the three hubs, why the fuck didn't they do that?

Everything else about it is pretty good, and the OST is arguably some of the best in the game, but the wilderness makes me hate running it even more than running dogshit Vecna, which is at least all situated in one easy to access area.
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>>2598350
Because it's a wilderness.
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Not played in 15+ years, when did the power creep get so out of whack? Suppose it makes sense that they needed do something to alleviate the lack of new players but getting a +2 cursespewing sword in a hard, and being able to solo Korthos on elite seems strange
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>>2611654
>when did the power creep get so out of whack?
A long ass time ago. I suppose they first acknowledged it when they introduced Reaper. Most people can solo R1 but R10 solo is pretty much impossible without the right build and a complete understanding of the dungeon you're doing. Should also be noted that as far as I know, they don't go back to adjust older content for power creep, so places Korthos (which doesn't even have an option for Reaper) ends up being super easy mode regardless of difficulty.

You can definitely see the difference in difficulty between newer content and old, despite the heroic dungeons being the same level. That said, you're not going to have any challenge playing hard -- it's the new normal, and normal is the new solo. Do epic or reaper always.
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>>2614566
It was long before Reaper (Update 34, 2017).
The enhancement system revamp (Update 19, 2013) was an insane spike in power level. It gave every caster a Spell Like Ability that could take all Metamagics and still only cost 2-5 SP per cast.
With the Echoes of Power introduced in Update 9 (2011), casters had a functionally unlimited SP bar to cast their Maximized Empowered SLAs.
Before then, casters were expected to run with Metamagics almost entirely off, and use more martial attacks with bows/crossbows/staves/etc.

Buffs to gear, Guild Ships, expanded uses of previously useless feats all also contributed.
You have things like Trances that nobody used to have, Cleaves in enhancement trees so you get them earlier than if you had to spend feats on them, eternal potions...
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>>2617541
>It was long before Reaper (Update 34, 2017).
Oh yeah, that's why I said the reaper update was when they first acknowledged it, not when the power creep happened. Maybe I should have said 'addressed' instead.
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>Armor choices drastically cut
I mean sure 99.9% of people just with highest AC but man.. I liked playing dress up!
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>>2623891
Just buy a mirror of glammering for the low price of 245 DDO points plus tip.
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>>2624151
If it let me pick all the old variations and types then I'd think about it, but as is this is just some bs
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>>2624318
Just be lucky on the daily silver roll. You can get glammer from it.
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>>2624318
It's only 1k favor and is regularly on sale for half that, plus as the other anon said you can get it with a daily silver roll if you're lucky. I regularly stock up when they go on sale and intentionally save my points over buying xp pots, slayer pots, etc, it may make my leveling process slower and more painful but it's worth it to look cool and have multiple clothing options.
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>>2627050
i cannot believe theres a ddo thread here lol
i wonder if any of the homies are in this thread
shoutout from the reardweller to people sill playing ddo
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>>2624151
>haven't bought a mirror of glamering
>have 11 on a bank toon
>used ~19 more
between daily dice, the occasional free code, and the 5 from Sharn you should get more than enough to make cosmetic sets unless you're constantly changing your styles
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>>2629800
>and the 5 from Sharn
The what now? Did you buy the full adventurepack or are there quests that give mirrors there?
Only sharn I've done is masterminds part 1 and 2.
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>>2630052
The Ultimate bundle of Sharn comes with 5 Mirrors.
It went for, like, $15 on black friday and might have the same discount on Thursday.
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>>2630467
Oh schucks, I'm a strict freetard.
>Thursday
Doh. Hope I'm not going to regret spending points on tavern tales.
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>>2627129
pretty pic
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>tfw 3 more lives until heroic completionist
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Is there really no such thing as a (plat) moneysink besides the occasional 2 mil tome on AH? I'm closing in on 4 mil and that's simply from playing and putting a little junk on the AH which accounts for like half a mil at most.
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>>2637299
Reaper Vendors sell cosmetics for 1-2 million plat
Resetting enhancements multiple times in a short period greatly increases the plat cost; this includes reaper trees which you'll probably reset 2-4 times a life when you're around 60 RP
the AH occasionally has some good things in the Collectables, Ingredients, and Item Augments categories.
You can occasionally turn Plat into Astral Shards if you can find something good like a dual slot item or a valuable creature companion in the AH, but that's not all that common
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Am I right in thinking KoTC adding favoured weapons also counts for Warpriest's enhancements? Can't find anything that disproves this, but who the fuck knows when it comes to ddo
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Check out these sales.

Man Isle of Dread is straight up locked down by license agreements huh.
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>>2641727
Gotta get that furry money as well
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>>2641727
>>2641810
Don't think it's either of those. I can't speak for the licensing agreement, but Tabaxi are around the same price as other races when bought separately. The only thing that that sets IoD apart from every other expansion is the inclusion of Otto Boxes, which are golden eggs to rich boomers on PL runs (see >>2539322).

I'm guessing their philosophy is "we -could- reduce the price further for just the standard edition, since it doesn't have an Otto Box... but that'd take some extra work and why would we lose out on potential profit?"
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>>2641727
I hope saltmarsh gets the 85 off. Camping plat AH for dreadbringer pieces sucks ass.
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>>2642139
$15 for the ultimate edition seems like a steal.
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>>2644663
I'm not giving my credentials to a company that gives as few fucks about their paying customers as ssg. If they'd let me buy shit via steamwallet, I'd consider it.
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>>2641727
Yeah it's the Otto's Boxes.
They've said they wanted to add an Ultimate Edition without the Otto's and have a bigger discount on it but never got around to it.
Also during Year of the Dragon people could have picked up the pack for free.
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>>2644829
Fair enough. I read on r*ddit that the DDO point expansion sales start next week, but I can't verify.
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It kind of baffles me how SSG doesn't use Mists of Ravenloft as a baseline for every expansion, it's unanimously considered the best by far and I've started noticing aspects that they've abandoned and it pisses me off.
>Oh, you like being able to teleport immediately to the start of every dungeon, and can choose to explore the giant wilderness if you want? In Myth, we'll force you to traverse the huge wilderness area and we'll spread out the dungeons all over the place, no teleports.
>Oh, you like long dungeons that can be sped-ran once you learn the ins and outs? Naaaah fuck that, we'll add some arbitrary time wasters and put at least one annoyingly long, tedious dungeon in every expansion. You can skip for saga with VIP :)
>Oh, you want a straightforward story that is in line with the classic tabletop? How about you enjoy going into a nonbinary's nightmare about failing college instead. Or how about we make Dr. Victor Mordenheim a woman and make him lame and gay?
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>>2654209
For the second one: they're putting in 2 annoying quests (ie The Wish + Snowfall and Sunlight) so you skip one with VIP and the other with shards.
Also so they bleed you out of your Experience Elixirs while you're forced to watch the cutscenes to make you buy more of them.
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>>2656670
I don't think Snowfall and Sunlight is too bad, it's pretty par for the course for a long dungeon and you get appropriate xp/minute. The Wish is some next level retardation though, might be the worst expansion dungeon they've ever made.
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You think they'll release another 30% coupon soon? I wanna grab the 10 year anniversary bundle but I don't want to pay full price.
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>(Standard): You obtain 500 Experience Points, and a Mirror of Glamering.
>(Standard): You rolled 83 on your Daily Dice and earned a Questing Tools prize!
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If I understand crafting right, a green clvl 32 +5 cloak with green and yellow socket is a good crafting base. Am I correct?
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Is there a list of recommended quests for decent loot while levelling? I think I remember seeing one way back that had named stuff on it, or was that just the wiki?
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>>2698198
most people use Feywild set at 5 and Sharn at 15.
Usually Ravenloft is thrown in at level 10 too
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>>2698198
Only one I know is the wiki. For gear specifically in heroics you're gonna always want to chase after the named dropped sets in the major expansions, though the wiki itself is a bit of a mess and you'll have to do a little research to figure it out. Just click on the expansion acronyms at the top. https://ddowiki.com/page/Update_42_named_items

As for sets, at least what I use in my heroic runs:
>1-3: doesnt matter, grab a ghost touch weapon or book of spirits for reapers
>3-5: saltmarsh bridges the gap but it's not super necessary
>5-10: feywild is the biggest game changer pre-lvl 10, grab everything, cloak of autumn, duskborn ring, etc. you can mix and match at 7/8 with personalized IoD or Chill gear, but not really necessary
>10-15: grab a lvl 10 ravenloft weapon at the end of the intro quest, replace previous gear as needed. keylock ring is huge if you're a trapper. i dont even know if ive ever used a single piece of myth drannor gear.
>15-20: sharn gear, second biggest game changer. get the 3 piece sets. if you have vecna you can replace some of those at the home stretch.

For epics I rely more on destiny enhancements than gear lol, sometimes I'm still reppin Sharn by 30. But I don't do Epics a whole lot so take from that what you will.
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How come the eveningstar town square vendors frequently has nothing to sell? Surely it's not someone cleaning out the vendors green gear to turn into crafting mats?
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>>2698769
>>2698715
Cool beans, thanks
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>>2699037
a lot of people don't bother selling to them
their stock blanks out after a server reset even if they do get used
>>2698769
>i dont even know if ive ever used a single piece of myth drannor gear
the legendary boots are top tier
minor artifact rings too
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>>2700170
>the legendary boots are top tier
>minor artifact rings too
Ah, like I said I don't do much outside of heroics at the moment, and I only went a few levels into legendary once before reincarnating. Plus the guy was asking for leveling gear specifically.

Is there any word on how they're doing gear for the next expansion? Is it going to be more of the sun/moon + customization stuff from IoD and Chill?
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>daily roll item reward
>holy shit it's a tome!
>of diplomacy
fuck you too SSG
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>>2705923
>he doesnt play half elf t5 inquisitive
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>>2705729
Here are some items.
Level 11
3 enchantments
1 craftable slot, but each item has a specific thing you can craft onto it (ie. you have to put STR or CON or INT you can't put a Skill or Spell Focus on an item that says Ability Score)
1 colored augment + 1 sun/moon slot

there are some items that break this template, and then there is the Super Rare Loot that turns old items into new level 11/35 items
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>>2706244
Devoured Divinity is just Elise's Grasp 3 levels later with insightful dodge and less options for customization, wonder what the thought process was there. Also curious how the ability score increases will be applied.
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>>2700170
>a lot of people don't bother selling to them
Wait. Are you implying their stock is whatever other players sell to them?
They have named boe items occasionally, why the fuck would anyone vendor those for meager plat instead of feeding them to a jewel or putting them on AH for more than meager plat.
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>>2709263
Generally those are level 21-24 items which are barely worth any SExp and it's too much of a hassle to post something for plat, have it not sell, and check the mail to get it back.
Most people barely check the items they loot; they lock everything they want to keep, hit loot all every chest, and hit sell all on vendors. The major exception is when specifically farming for named loot, which is done in more recent expansions not in Eveningstar.
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The valuable lesson that this Dark Arbiter 1-20 run has taught me is that Two Handed Fighting genuinely sucks. Especially on a class that favors imbue dice over base damage increases.
The slowness feels painful and the damage difference between a 2 hander and a hand and a halfer is negligible. Strikethrough can't cover the difference that having Cleave animations tied to weapon speed.
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>>2710691
>Dark Arbiter
????
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>>2711007
Dark apostate I mean. no clue where I got that.
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If I want to be able to grind favor for ddo points after reincanating, I have to use one that sets me back to level 1, right?
Do I get to keep my favor feats (+5 hp, etc.) when I do that? I know I have to re grind the coinlords bagslot and the kundarak bankslots.
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>>2717320
>back to level 1, right?
back to level 1 or level 15. so either Heroic Reincarnation (True Heart of Wood), Racial Reincarnation (True Heart of Blood), or Iconic Reincarnation (on an Iconic life)
Epic Reincarnation and Lesser Reincarnation don't work
>Do I get to keep my favor feats
If it's in the feat tab, then no.
You get to keep unlocked enhancement trees (Falconry, Feydark Illusionist, Horizon Walker) and any item earned through favor (Key to Eveningstar, Greater Harper Pin)
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>>2717320
Grinding ddo points is not fun...
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>>2718680
>Racial Reincarnation
Silly me, I thought you had to use a wish for memories to change race. Turns out I was completely wrong.
>have to grind outdated expansions for tokens of the twelve for either heart
Ugh. If they at least had something I could use.

>>2719847
Beats giving my card details to a company that actively hates their paying customers. I'd consider buying points if I could use steamwallet for it.
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>>2719847
Definitely agree. Furthest I ever got with a character was 5k and it pushed me to the brink of insanity, even though I built a monk specifically to move through dungeons as quick as possible. Never again.
>>2720388
Once you get into the rhythm of grinding tokens it's not too bad. Still annoying with ransack, I use an alt + my main to get 16 tokens from Bargain of Blood and then do the rest from Lords of Dust. Average about 3-5 minutes per run on BoB and 10 minutes for LoD, so it's between 2 and 3 hours to get all 20 tokens give or take travel time.

I wouldn't personally recommend grinding favor, other than focusing on the big favor reward quests every life like Jungle of Khyber. If you just keep reincarnating you'll get 500-750 favor every heroic life just by playing.
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>>2720388
I thought you could if you are logged into the steam version?
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>>2720388
I'm not sure who wish for memories is for, outside of people who get an aneurysm every time they have to look at a Shifter.
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>>2721275
>BoB/LoD
Is BoB really worth it when it's only fragments? I did an exhaustive 2 minute research, and it seems like Devil Assault is the easiest way to grind tokens despite being Long, since the only Medium token dungeon (the black loch) requires addition fiddling to get the epic chest. I'm 31 so I should faceroll the waves hard.

>>2721586
I'd be surprised if that was the case, since SSG are turbojews and allowing steamwallet means they can't jew Gabe out of his cut. Furthermore, my account was made in another country than the one I'm playing from. I'm not premium though, so who knows when exactly the location lock kicks in. I'll test next time there's double up on points.
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>>2725040
You can zerg through bargain of blood a dozen times for the time it takes to complete a single run of devil assault.
>>2720388
The best way to collect tokens of the twelve is simply to run the quests that give tokens while you level 20-30.
Lords of Dust chain
Sentinels of Stormreach (House D pirates chain)
Phiarlan Carnival
Red Fens
VON
Pick the ones you like from there, then run the Eveningstar sagas to level cap. Epic reincarnate, then do slayers back to level cap. Racial/Heroic/Iconic reincarnate, then repeat. Repeat. Repeat. Such is DDO.
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>>2725040
>>2725040
>Is BoB really worth it when it's only fragments?
It's 1 token if you run it on elite. I looked at the wiki and I have no idea why it says you get 50-70 fragments, that's a straight up lie.

Still, with only one character that'll only net you 8 tokens a week. You can obviously offset some of that by leveling into epics and just doing the chains >>2726194 mentioned for xp + tokens, but overall your best bet is to grind BoB and LoD imo. LoD is quite a bit longer but requires no travel time.

You'll likely clear BoB in half the time as my adventurer Dragonlord with atrocious gear, I think my record (on my main at level 30) was like 2 and a half minutes.
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>>2721586
Decided to test, because if it works I could just abort and wait for doubleup. The verdict is a resounding "maybe".

At a glance it looks like you can use steamwallet, but instead of doing what one would expect (taking you to payment via the overlay like every other game with IAP does) it asks you to log into the steam website via their own antiquated shitbrowser. Fuck no if I'm doing that, because it would be the same as giving them my steam password. Naturally I didn't make it to the point where "lol you're in the wrong location goy, beg support for permission to give us money :^)" could feasibly happen, ie: at the payment step.
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>>2728092
very bottom of the UI settings page there is a External Store button. Lets you do all the ddo shopping in your own default browser instead of their dogshit in game browser
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>>2734231
Intredasting. I hope this means I can use the overlay that should've been the fucking default for the steam version.
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>>2734252
Unfortunately same deal as before. Only thing that changes is the browser. Why the fuck am I required to log in to steam via browser when I'm already logged in to steam via the launcher.
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>hit the heroic 13-15 speed bump again
I know that the new adventure path and new expansion will fix this but I refuse to buy the AP until its on sale and I refuse to buy the expansion until its for DDO points in January.
To anyone who boughted the expansion: is it good?
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>>2611654
The modern DDO player isn't interested in a different dungeon experience. They're interested either in
>zerging through a "very long" dungeon in less than 10 minutes on their 50th life gigaOP toon
>doing high reaper and using an extremely OP build to just nuke everything
the game is basically dead and kept alive by boomer whales spending their pension/social security checks on the egregious p2w store
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>>2750499
Barovia, Sands of Menechtarun, Relic of a Sovereign Past, and everything in Lordsmarch gets you from 13 to 15.
At 15 you finish up Attack on Stormreach, can do Mired/Dino Crisis/Amrath chain before moving onto GH 13s
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>>2753744
I do all those except for Relic, still seems like the xp is dogshit and there's a noticeable slowdown during those levels. Sands feels particularly egregious because it's either "heres a short dungeon for terrible xp" or "here's a dungeon that'll take forever to complete which gives you xp disproportionately smaller than most other places"
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Does Illusion fall under Negative or did they not add a piercing mastery for that?
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>>2755354
Illusion isn't a damage type
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>got my heroic completionist
errrm.... now what.
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>>2755354
The few illusion spells that have damage at all are Force and Chaos aligned.

You can count the immune creatures on one hand for both so you don't need a piercing feat.
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>steamroll bargain of blood 8 times for tokens a week ago
>figure it should be reset by now
>commence another round of token grind
>loot epic chest
>"you have looted this chest 9 times"
>"chest resets in 2 hours and 13 minutes"
>mfw
Why the fuck do I have to clear the entire dungeon to find out if chest ransack is still in effect or not. Is it really too much to ask for it to be added to /ransack
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>>2765359
Almost makes you want to make a bunch of alts to pass tokens the next time the adventure code pops up doesn't it?
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>>2763472
Your Racials? Your Epics? Your Iconics? Your Archetypes?
There are 36 Iconic and 75 Class+Archetypes, so make sure you don't get 40 Class lives before starting on Iconics as to not waste the ability to double up.
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>>2765359
Would definitely be a nice feature, I've looted a ransacked chest that was off by hours as well. I also had a weird glitch a few days ago on BoB where it looked like I had a failed load into the dungeon, but it let me in and even allowed me to run through it. When I went to grab the chest it said I entered the dungeon too late and the dungeon description said I was still in the searing heights, so keep an eye out for that as well, not sure how common it is.
>>2766592
Oh yeah, I was just memeing a little bit. I'm not VIP so I've shifted to racials since I got a heart of blood from the 10 year anniversary pack, I only have Eladrin Chaosmancer for iconics and I'm scared to try it out because I heard Chaosmancer sucks, but I really want the 3x teleport boost thing.
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>>2766775
Eladrin Chaosmancer is fucking great. Grab the spring storm SLA (worth every single point) and then max out the storm sorc tree and pretend the wild magic tree doesn't exist.
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>>2766775
The Chaos spells suck. Play it as a typical elemental sorc (Fire, Air, maybe even Acid) but be absolutely sure to grab Chaos Control I and II from Racial tree to cut out the bad surges. Getting instakilled by your own spell is absolute dogshit.
Racial tree also gets you Fey Step and an immunity strip for the element of your choice.
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>>2766794
>>2767860
Ah okay, thanks. Seems like I was mistaking Wild Magic in particular for being bad, not the iconic itself. Will try it out next life, though I really don't have any good epic gear for casters...
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>>2766775
around gnomes...
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>>2775798
FACT: gnomes are the most powerful race on DDO. All bow before the mighty color spray.
Gnomes will take charge and Make Khorvaire Great Again, no more fat elves in the Feywild, no more nonbinary college students in Morgrave, no more zombie lesbians in Lamordia.

In all seriousness though, the Zilargo Gnomes of Eberron are super interesting, unfortunately I don't think the DDO writers have the talent to portray them properly.
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>>2777352
>just run r5+ they said...
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>>2776373
DDO in general sadly keep pumping out boring expansions in other settings, instead of exploring other parts of Eberron.
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>>2779464
I wonder if it has something to do with their license. I know that Keith Baker pretty much had his hands tied when they released the 5.5e Eberron supplement Forge of the Artificer. Watching him frantically try to explain away or justify WOTC's retarded decisions while they violated his setting with no lube was something to behold.

That book was released a few years after Vecna Unleashed, so I'm wondering if that has something to do with SSG's decision to distance themselves from Eberron. It's more likely they're leaning into what the average dnd fan knows and loves, though, because Eberron is very niche. Still sad that we'll probably never see the more interesting places in Khorvaire, but I'm happy we got one good expansion in Sharn at least.
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>>2777352
>Not shown, the dying vengeance reaper
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>ior1
>ty omw
>brb bio
>brb wife aggro
>v
>nty
>tyfg tc
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>>2780157
>Watching him frantically try to explain away or justify WOTC's retarded decisions while they violated his setting with no lube was something to behold.
just sad... fucking wotc
>knows and loves
plebs... At least Eberron or Dark Sun are something less generic...
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>>2781516
>In on Reaper 1
>Thank You, on my way
>Be right back biological break ie taking a piss
>Be right back wife is being aggressive and I have to interact with her or she'll throw a shoe at my head
>Voice of the Master, or another item with Master's Gift slotted in to it, because the quest is about to end and you might want the extra 5% exp
>No Thank You usually after someone asks "Anyone want this named item?" so the person asking doesn't have to wait for everyone to recall before looting and crunching it
>Thank You For Group, Take Care
after running thousands of quests it's natural to use abbreviations rather than type everything out every single time
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>>2782344
>just sad... fucking wotc
Yeah. The 5.5e supplement reeked of writers with literally no understanding of the setting, even SSG understands it better than them. They basically made it into generic high fantasy steampunk along with countless retarded changes that really stripped the setting of its unique identity.

Dark Sun, on the other hand, is at no risk of being violated and ruined. It's dead and gone, deemed far too problematic in an age where D&D PHBs now come with session 0 "trigger list" page alongside the character sheets.
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>>2784124
>Dark Sun, on the other hand, is at no risk of being violated and ruined. It's dead and gone,
Curse me and my big mouth.
https://www.dungeonsanddragons.com/dark-sun/
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>The temptation to level up when you have the experience but know the next level has shit options for quests.
Doing the entirety of ruins of Gianthold, Disciples of Rage, Devils Gambit and Necro 4 is worth staying at 16 for longer than reasonable because the less time spent at 19 the happier I am.
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>>2788704
am i missing something here? level 17 has two of the fastest sagas for great xp in the entire game...
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Why are people this retarded?
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>>2789125
It's maximizing experience gain during late heroic leveling by taking advantage of delving bonuses so I spend as little time in vecna unleashed as physically possible. Banking Sagas and holding levels as long as possible.

Things worth considering when you have enough reincarnations to have the increased exp requirements
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>>2789137
Money laundering using the auction house as an expensive uncapped platinum bank for alts.
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>>2789273
oh yeah, i bank xp obviously i just didn't understand why you claimed that level 17 has shit options for quests when that's peak sharn.
makes sense if you want to avoid vecna though.

why do you (presumably) dislike vecna, outside of the obvious shitty writing?
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>>2789281
That makes an annoying amount of sense, even though I really can't fathom people actually buying plat when there's so little you actually need it for and you get it in abundance simply by playing.
I thought it was dumb people setting a pointless 3 day wait time because they don't know there's a 2.1 mil bid cap, since I occasionally do manage to snag skill tomes from the plat AH.
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>>2789355
>Traveller is the prime example of an obnoxious GM-NPC
>Too much standing around waiting for unskippable cutscenes like Vecna Monologuing or the demon ambush at the end of Grand theft Aureon taking too fucking long to spawn in
>Bark and Blade is too long for it's exp and it's against some of the most miserable things to fight in the game
>Law and order is literally a repeat of Three Paths to Battle

The biggest issue of all despite all the nitpicks is that not too many people are willing to do it because of above issues.
It also feels like a massive slog because of the level of the quests and how modern VU is. Like sure high damage classes don't have a problem but for a lot of classes avoiding most of it is ideal.
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>>2789392
>Traveller is the prime example of an obnoxious GM-NPC
indeed, but this falls into the writing. he's especially egregious to me after running an eberron campaign last year, because the whole shtick of the gods in eberron is the uncertainty as to if they actually exist. vecna violates eberron lore worse than any other content in the game.
>Too much standing around waiting for unskippable cutscenes like Vecna Monologuing or the demon ambush at the end of Grand theft Aureon taking too fucking long to spawn in
the unskippable cutscenes are annoying, but i'll take them over traversing wilderness areas. at least during cutscenes i can alt tab or doomscroll.
>Bark and Blade is too long for it's exp and it's against some of the most miserable things to fight in the game
that's fair, i've been in a few parties that skip it because it's objectively the worst quest in vecna.
>Law and order is literally a repeat of Three Paths to Battle
yeah, it's unoriginal but splitting three ways with a party makes it quick and easy.
>The biggest issue of all despite all the nitpicks is that not too many people are willing to do it because of above issues.
i've.... literally never had this problem. i dont think ive done a single heroic life without partying in vecna to close it out, there's almost always someone running it. not sure what server youre on or what timezone, but more people run vecna than eveningstar on shadowdale.

either way, everyone has the quests that they dislike and try to avoid. i personally hate MD due to the wilderness design and tedious quests, but im sure some people enjoy it.
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I can fix her
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>>2800023
she will make you worse
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this game looks fun, but this past life shit puts me off completely. what a dumb mechanic
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>>2814280
past lives are the ONLY thing keeping this game alive
without past lives, the ultimate fate of the game would be do some raids, log off, wait 66 hours to wait out raid timers, log back in to do some raids, repeat
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>>2814280
>what a dumb mechanic
What specifically do you dislike about it?
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>>2814280
I like it in concept, even though I'll never play something that can't solo 1-30 which locks me out of the various completionists. It's certainly more unique than daily/weekly "do [thing]" shit, as far as a longevity enabler goes. That being said, like most things in DDO it could really use a QoL/simplification overhaul. It's shit design if the user needs to rely on an uofficial 3rd party wiki just to have a snowballs chance in hell of knowing what to expect.

As a first lifer I still don't even know if the past life feats are free like the favor feats, or I have to give up something else to get them.
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>>2817519
>though I'll never play something that can't solo 1-30 which locks me out of the various completionists
For heroic classes that you don't want to play or are difficult to use solo, check out the Past Life Inquisitive Build, it's busted as fuck and extremely easy to gear for (the main component, Ratcatcher, is a guaranteed turn-in reward for Threnal). I've honestly had a hard time breaking away from Inquis because it's so OP through heroics and epics. https://forums.ddo.com/index.php?threads/the-ultimate-inquisitive-past-life-getter.3101/
>As a first lifer I still don't even know if the past life feats are free like the favor feats, or I have to give up something else to get them.
Heroic past life feats give you two each reincarnation: one passive, which you are given for free, and one feat you can pick up during level ups. Both are specific to that class, example like pic related.

Epic Past Life Feats are entirely given for free, but they're all stances. They're broken down into 4 spheres, and you can only have one active stance per sphere.

Iconics also give free stances and passive bonuses; the stances are separate from epic PL stances and can be used alongside them.
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>>2817771
Quick correction cause I'm retarded: Epic Past Life feats also give passive bonuses as well.
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>>2817771
>Inquisitive
Intredasting. I am reading, but my first impression is that it's going to be a bitch whenever you start over because it looks you'll need some hefty +X hearts, being dual/triple class and all.

>DEX - 14 (no lower if you have a +5 tome, if you don't then adjust this for what tome you have).
What the fuck does this mean. 14 BASE or that your TOTAL should be 14 so BASE is 9 if you have a +5 tome?
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>>2817807
>but my first impression is that it's going to be a bitch whenever you start over because it looks you'll need some hefty +X hearts, being dual/triple class and all.
Every version of the build besides racial has you taking the class you want to reincarnate for the last 10 levels. Basically just replace "past life" in the graph with the class/archtype you want to reincarnate as. There's literally no reason to use lesser reincarnation hearts, heroic class reincarnation is based on what class you have the most levels of.
>What the fuck does this mean. 14 BASE or that your TOTAL should be 14 so BASE is 9 if you have a +5 tome?
14 base, so it's 19 by the time you hit 12 for Improved Precise Shot.

I will say that I think IPS is overrated for Inquisitive because of the 20% damage nerf, I almost always stay in Archer's Stance instead, so I think it's feasible to run this build with less than 19 DEX in heroics at least. I just stand still and spam Shoot First from the Inquisitive tree instead.

Epics are another story though, I'm not sure how many feats require 19 DEX.
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>>2817519
>I'll never play something that can't solo 1-30
Every single class can solo 1->30. Some are easier/harder than others - mostly due to whether or not there's any self-healing options.
Protip: For your first 3 Epic Past Lives, grab Fast Healing from the Primal Sphere. The passive auto-heals are amazing for longevity.
Paladin and Sacred Fist give healing amplification (45 total with all 6 lives) and Ancient Blessings Epic life gives another 15 which makes staying healed much easier.
Arcane casters (Sorc, Wizard, Artificer, Arcane Trickster) can memorize Repair spells and play as Warforged to have self-healing.
Warlocks in Enlightened Spirit get a shitload of temporary HP that makes healing pretty much irrelevant.

Base Rogue is the class with the worst self-healing options, but you have the UMD for Heal scrolls and if you don't care about race you can go Halfling for the Mark of Healing.

Because Iconics give both a Class and an Iconic past life, you can get 36 out of the 75 class/archetype lives by going from 15 -> 30 rather than 1 -> 20. Some builds that struggle with early levels can breeze through late heroics and epics by just doing them as Iconics instead.
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>>2818138
I really don't get how the hearts work. The way I read it, I'd need a +10 heart to change the 10 CLASS levels to something else, but apparently that's not the case.

The racials seems like it's something you're supposed to do separately.

>>2818421
I only have arcane trickster and whatever was included in last years gatheryourparty, but good to know.
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>>2818138
>I'm not sure how many feats require 19 DEX.
None, as far as I can tell. 13 for Precision and that's it.
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>>2818450
Reading over the wiki, I can see why it confuses you. I have no idea why they start with lesser reincarnation, or even really mention it. Respeccing a level or two is entirely pointless if you plan to True Reincarnate... so it just adds to the confusion.

Ignore "lesser" hearts. Focus on the info about TRUE hearts for heroic/iconic/racial reincarnation specifically, and EPIC Hearts for epic reincarnation.
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>>2814280
true
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>>2823849
Your loss buckos.
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>>2825313
wtf is this real?
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>>2833265
yes, go to Catastrophe and he's right outside the end fight hiding behind a pillar
talk to him and you get a certificate
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>>2833265
Yes, he's all yours friend. :)
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favorite class?
for me, its arcane archer.
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Best way to aquire truesight that doesn't require spell/consumable spam? I got Sightless, but it's limiting my options for set boni.
Vigilance seems pretty nifty for melee, but 3 filigree slots seems like a pretty steep price. Unless those 3 slots would just go to utility anyway. Is the goto to stack two 4 (or 5 if you can be assed to switch trinket every dungeon) set or stick to one 4/5 and use the other slots to fill gaps?
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>>2834463
sorcerer
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>>2834463
First class I played, Sorcerer.
Just feels too good exploding shit consistently.
Eldritch/Master Wizard has been a close second though.
I love battle mage type builds, and it does damn near everything well.
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Dragons are a special deal in Eberron, right?
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>>2851222
Once upon a time there were 3 progenitor dragons who created/discovered The Prophecy. Being complete babies they fought over it and shattered it and themselves into the shards and fragments you can pick up in game. Then they fucked off into space to become creator gods.
Their spawn managed to accomplish nothing apart from getting conquered by Demons for some millions of years, then flew off into space to continue doing nothing under pretence of contemplating The Prophecy.
Fast forward another few thousand years where the mortal races actually get stuff done and create the setting proper, the dragonmarks start to manifest and the dragons who still interact with the world all cream themselves about how everything is just as planned.. and continue to do nothing throughout the Last War till the present day.
(Assuming nuEberron hasn't retconned everything)
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>>2851293
>(Assuming nuEberron hasn't retconned everything)
I think it's pretty much the same. They don't even mention it in the 5.5e book, instead focusing on the prophecy itself (but not where it came from... weird). But that's just a minor oversight compared to what they obviously fucked up on, like the artistic aesthetic.

Every time I look at art from Forge of the Artificer I think of this lmao: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbq6Wfh9fi4
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>>2851293
I see... I wonder if you encounter that dragon again, from the starting island.
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Private Server when?

I will never play this game again until the make elite free on heroics.
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>>2859699
You know 3rd+ life gets free heroic elite, right? Takes a weekend if you put a little effort into it. Two if you don't.
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>>2860003
Yeah but it's only on one character =/
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>>2855340
Shows up again in Reaver's Refuge.
>>2860241
Why would you ever need more than one character when reincarnation exists.



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