PRAISE THE RUINOUS POWERS edition>Hotfix 13.1 patch notes:https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/CHAOSspace-marine-2/blogs/400-hotfix-13-1-patch-notes>Update 13.0 patch notes:https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/CHAOSspace-marine-2/blogs/395-patch-notes-13-0>May Community updatehttps://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/CHAOSspace-marine-2/blogs/404-may-community-update>Updated Year 2 Roadmap:https://i.imgur.com/p9UAyjJ.jpeg>Where to get the game:https://www.focus-entmt.com/en/games/warhammer-40000-CHAOSspace-marine-2>Lore Stuff:https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Pagehttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page>For EVIL cooperation with your battle brothers (Can also post codes for jolly coop/PvP. Edit Squad -> Invite Menu):https://steamcommunity.com/groups/Csm2general>Workaround with matchmaking (not finding players, only 2/3):Back out to the main menu and re-enter battle barge.>Workaround with matchmaking (defaults to waiting for players instead of looking for games)Queue for siege mode, leave the lobby and re-queue for operations.>Datasheet showing hidden difficulty modifiers for each difficulty (for easier damage reference):https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1kVvYgDBoAan98W3IjAM6ERdq-QfkCsaVvXKF5g_Q9sU/htmlview>Spreadsheet useful for damage calculation:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HzX5LzOD8NZyOTV-BUyL8kWoLEpt-skM/>Recommended prestige perks:https://i.imgur.com/vHSeEDt.jpeg>/Csm2g/ Dude Wall - Compilation of LOYALIST LAPDOGS:https://dudewall.github.io/dude-wall/>/Csm2g/ Phantom Links Chapter Lore:https://rentry.org/ChroniclesofPhantomLinks>Other useful links:https://pastebin.com/VZ0ryCNBPreviously on the Battle-Barge:>>2557630TQ: WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE CHAOS LEGION BRETHERAN? HAVE YOU GIVEN YOURSELVES TO THE RUINOUS POWERS YET?!
>>2596853>>2597044>>2597056>>2597171>>2597173heretics status: raped
>chaos thread
>>2597201Based.
https://files.catbox.moe/c4wufy.mp3
*ting ting ting*Ahem.Angron did nothing wrong.
>Do these changes>Suddenly customization would feel a million times better
>>2597283He was a bitch. Literally Khorn's second choice because he could not have Sanguinius.
>>2597306NOOOOOOOOOO
>>2597305I wish phobos marines could have that leg armor its so much better than what we are forced to wear
>Sm2g players be like nooooo I don't want to play chaos ops! They're boring and unfun!>The taint of heresy spreads unhindered and even now our beautiful general is now corruptedYOU COULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS!
>>2597283He's only innocent when you come to grips with the fact that the lobotomite is unable to truly understand what's going on around him
>>2597338yeah, everyone is afraid of vortex
>>2597306She can smite my cock.
>>2597315And even juiced up with chaos, he still got BTFO by the Angel. Lame schizo faggot.>>2597341
>>2597339He understood well enough. His father considered him defective right from the drop and antagonized him on purpose to bait him into getting himself purged.Angron even says at one point that it's ironic that the nails stopped him from planning too much because without them he would have rebelled a long time ago.
>>2597283angron did plenty wrong but he has a legitimate case of insanity by retardation instead of normal retardation
Behold an angel of Baal, and WITNESS YOUR DEATH
Perturabo was a fag and all the good men in his Legion died trying to protect his own citizens from himself.
>>2597546I find it funny that the legion of bitter cynicists seems to have had the largest number of loyalists.
>>2597608It was "loyalty" out of obstinance and autistic refusal to accept or even entertain the idea of changing anything luv me iron dumbfucks >hey we're rebelling>FUCK YOU REEEEEEE *bolter fire*
>>2597608The Iron Warriors were and still are stuck in a one-upmanship contest of who can be the bigger contrarian.To be defiant is to be strong, to defy your own Primarch was strength, but if you died defying him, then you were a bitch etc.
someone should've just challenged Perturabo to win a campaign without a single casualty or else he's bitch made (spamming servitors violates the rules)he'd get duped into it and maybe stop being such a cunt when the dozen dead guy's names are engraved on a plaque at the site of the final battle
>>2597608The Iron Warriors who stayed loyal found getting posted to the same planet they've besieged for ages as a permanent slight to their ability.
Squad unity broken once again, not working with allies right up your ass. CHP from banner doesn't appear even if it's on. I'm so sick of their incompetence.
>>2598061That's why you always reroll Squad Unity and Split Up immediately.Melee teammates also reroll Strike Out, Majoris explosion and spores/souls after Death.Faggots don't understand friendly fire isn't really a handicap and most teams reroll that shit even though they don't have to.
>>2598089I'm talking about the daily. Siege is it's own bundle of shit.
New capes when?Capes for Bulwark and Techmarine when?What the hell is Saber doing?
Why do I keep getting people in absolute missions with no team perk despite being high enough to have one?
Finally back to 1k Doritoes with everything bought. The game has never been more easy, with the heroic plasma gun just removing groups of majoris and making Carni/Helbrutes disappear in 10 seconds. I feel sorry for the melee players who genuinely have nothing to do.
>>2598375yeah I got black capes on tac and vanguard and haven't really played much more than that. I used to run bulwark all the time but there's just nothing to do or work towards in that regard.
>>2598357New loadout sysytem reset perks and you need to set everything up once again. In some cases you have to outright buy them again. Advanced russkie coding.
I just got into the game last week or so, but I'm still a little confused about Block weapons. Namely, I've heard that they're bad, but I don't know exactly why they're bad. Most people just recommend Fencing weapons and don't elaborate further.
>>2598397Block weapons have a narrow activation period closer to the impact of an enemy's attack. The idea is to stack perfect blocks to 2 so that your next attack gets a stunning explosive effect. Fencing is generally preferred because of block's tighter requirements and lack of gunstrikes on perfect activation.Fencing is so much more generous in its reach, timing and gunstrike procs that it's hard to recommend most block weapons over their fencing equivalents. Notice how I said most, because weapons like the power axe can make a single block work to decent effect and two blocks work to massive effect with much, much better damage overall than the fencing equivalent and critically doesn't rely on gunstrikes to function. But in the case of something like a power sword or knife, the speed and other fencing properties make much more of a difference.That difference makes itself most obvious when getting swarmed by gaunts or multiple majoris variants at once all attacking you at different intervals. Fencing will likely catch all the attacks and reset the enemy group with a gunstrike, but block will likely miss most of the attacks and leave you in a much more vulnerable position.
>>2598357If you prestige you have to reunlock everything, and if you're using any loadout but the first one you have to go in and manually select them>>2598375I'm sitting at 375 but haven't been playing much because my priority as of late has been Umamusume>>2598397>fencingWeaker melee damage in exchange for better parry window, gives gunstrikes on parry, generally attacks faster>blockSmaller parry window in exchange for more melee damage and ability to get a melee damage buff on successful parries, generally attacks slower>balancedSmaller parry window, gives gunstrikes on parry, stats sit between a buffed block melee and fencingBlock is if you prefer damage numbers go up, fencing is if you prefer shooting numbers go up but both are fine if you're competent
Is the heroic plasma pistol worth the accolades?
>>2598408>>2598411I see. I guess lag plays a major part in why most recommend Fencing weapons. You say Block and Balanced have "smaller parrry windows". Are they the same length or is Block's noticeably smaller?
>>2598444Yeah
>>2598448Fencing has the largest parry window with no startup frames. Block has the shortest parry window with no startup frames. Balanced has the same parry window as Fencing but with start up frames, so it shrinks the actual window
>>2598448Fencing is the "whole window", block has lagging frames, and balanced has startup frames
>>2598089I don't want to run friendly fire with a heavy running multi melta, flamer, or plasma.
>>2598471>>2598474I see. Thanks, anons. I'll have to give Block weapons a shot once I learn the game better. Right now I still struggle to parry consistently with Balanced weapons.
>>2598481Switch to fencing and you won't struggle anymore
>>2598489I have the Fencing Combat Knife but I need a couple more ops under my belt to get the Fencing Chainsword.
>>2598481If you learn to parry on Balanced, you will have a tough time but be all the better for it. And if you ever want to play Heavy, well, you're going to need to be somewhat competent at using Balanced unless you only use the unique HBG, that one has Fencing.
>>2598503I do like playing Heavy, so I'll get practice in either way. Since I'm asking, what's the pvp like in 2? I played a bit of pvp in 1 around five years ago, but generally got cratered because I was so late to the party.
>>2598477>I don't want to run friendly fire with a heavy running multi melta, flamer, or plasma.We'll all bleed today Brother heheheheheh
>hard strat>bugged squad unity >empathyHow am I supposed to beat this with randos? I'm new and need the accolades Do the devs just want players to eat shit?
>>2598596poast a code and I'll help. guarantee I'll have shit ping but you'll be better off with us than them.
>>2598596How new is new?
>>25986099W4UT>>2598610Little over a week
>>2598596You shouldn't be playing dailiesOnly weeklies and weekly sieges
>>2598626Anon I don't think your dudes are geared enough for Hard strats. I know mine aren't and I have about the same playtime as you.
Squad unity on the entire fucking Vortex mission (longest mission) so I almost never got natural armour regen. Vortex beast not getting stunned by the new melee grenade, invalidating all melee classes.
>this thread
>>2598734You shouldn't be bringing a melee character in Vortex anyway because the Vortex Beast is impossible to kill as a melee character without eating shit and without class modifier buffs.
>>2597182>sm2g>csm2gwtf
>>2598734>playing Vortex>playing Vortex as a melee class
>>2598739>>2598742You're right. Good thing the new Heroic plasma gun turns Bulwark and Assault into a ranged class :) My banner worked 2/4 times lmao.
>>2598742This is just the beginning, we're getting Nintimmies in like a month
>>2598758Retard
They actually ran a weekly with a nerfed Vanguard, buffed Bulwark and Assault including a more Extremis modifier; twas one of the hardest weeklies to the point Saber shat out multiple Tyranid weeklies as an 'apology'They spammed Exfiltration twice in a month, one Vox Liberatis (because they're training their playerbase to "love" fighting Chaos) and one "easy" Termination weekly.
>He plays chaos missions
>>2598780because they're training their playerbase to "love" fighting ChaosI will love chaos the nanosecond they add in other legions that are not the thousand sons.> But the budget and the manpower andandandThen I'm not going to like chaosEverybody forgets that the real strength in 40k is the faction variety. Even if you're playing just space marines you need a wide array of xenos, mutants, and heretics to kill to prevent boredom.
>>2598832They literally picked the Thousand Sons simply because they don't talk at all and they don't have to animate complex animations since they're all automatons.SM3 should be the Iron Warriors or Red Corsairs attacking 500 worlds.
>>2598839I thought it was the Death Guard that most recently attacked the 500 worlds
>When you meet a fellow chaos bro in ops
>>2598889Yeah and Mortarion was burned by the Emperor along with a large portion of Nurgle's garden.
>>2598741>>2598736Sorry corpsefuckers. It's our game and general now. Now you play as a black legion champion conquering a small system against the space wolves and necrons.Our classes are>Tactical >Rapter>Sorcerer >Spy>Juggernaut >And our new class the warpsmithYou can customize any legion or warband you like. You can even make corrupted versions of the loyalist marines if you want. We even have overpriced champion skins for popular chaos legions >Butbut I want to play actual loyalistsSorry npc faction we don't have the budget or manpower to do that. The best we can do is have poorly made larping loyalist for our multiplayer. You can grind for a ultramarine skin made by a world eater who has a vague idea of what a ultramarine isJust buy our fucking game and get hyped for csm3!
>>2598906Ah yeah, that's right. So I guess it wouldn't make sense if they came back so soon after getting blown out like that. Iron Warriors would be neat
>>2598929gotta go fast
>>2598929>sorcererbased, when's it coming out?
>>2597654They need to let assault use the knife. I wouldn't fuck with the power gladius unless I could use it with my jump dash built assault. Perfect dodges feel too unreliable unless you're doing them with jump pack dashes after upgrading them to perfect dodge. Even then, I'll still get robbed multiple times an op.The jump pack + how much better your perfect dodging is with it makes up a lot for balanced melee weapons having shitty parries too. I don't really want to use balanced weapons at all unless it's with assault.
>>2598929*>Tactical >Rapter>Sorcerer >Spy>Havoc>Juggernaut >Warpsmith Forgot havoc for some reason >EC and RC champion skin for havoc >DG and BL champion skin for tactical >WE champion skin for juggernaut >TS and WB champion skin for sorcerer >AL champion skin for spy>IW champion skin for warpsmith
Codes doko?
whats the difference between multi melta and melta rifle? melta rifle just has to be reloaded and has a lower ammo reserve?
>>2599113Multi melta is two meltas taped together.
>>2599113All of Heavy's weapons are just bigger versions of other weapons. Except the HBR which is just a normal HBR
>try to join normal siege twice for my weekly>both times the host leaves either as i join in or seconds after i load inOk can I be the host next please
>>2599244Just play with bots. Normal is easy enough.
>>2598929
Please give us camo patterns with the raptor dlc Saber, and actually customizable this time, not like with the DA pack
>>2599610
For me? It's MK6 Corvus.
>>2599867rock and roll motherfuckers rock and roll
>>2599867Primarisfags wished they looked this good.
I wish they had got Mark Strong to voice Teetus again. The new VA isn't bad but he ain't Marky.
>>2599949I AGREE
>>2599273
>>2599244>>2599255is it safe to leave a siege after wave 15 completes for the weekly points? ive seen people leave after that, figure that's why they did it
>>2598929Go back to your lowly masters. Away with you pawn.
>>2600121It was bugged last week, but now you're gucci to peace out at 15.
>>2600121Yes. On the elevator to the next section, just select the option to leave.
>>2600005
>>2600137Look at those LIPS
>>2599867Bvised.
>>2600154>>2600156ok do i just escape and return to battle barge? i haven't noticed any option to leave on the "finish" screen. i hate to be pedantic but i just don't want to do a 15 wave siege and then mess it up lol
>Decapitation>ping guardian relic for randos, I'm carrying gene seed>randos don't pick it up>they go down to the hive tyrant at the same time as a new adds wave starts>I whiff to staggered attacks from warrior, gants, and htEasily had this if one of them had the self-revive. >>2600389You go to the elevator. There you get the choice to proceed to the next section, like you've done before, or return to the barge. You pick the latter.
>>2600419ok tyyy
I am maybe possibly Alpharius.
I can envisage in my head the perfect customization system, but I know it's too far advanced for vatniks even with SM3 being a clean slate.
>>2600794Whats with people being totally racist to the developers? seen this with hd2 for years and now this... Like what gives? You do realize these are just video games, right? If you don't like them you don't have to play them o_O like all the biggest haters have like 1000+ hours make it make sense lol
>>2600976Shut the fuck up faggot.
>>2600980Do you have an argument or proper response? Vatnik equals Nigger. why are you still playing if all you do is bitch?
>>2600985I'm not the same anon, i'm just saying you're a tourist and a faggot.
>>2600994idc do you have an argument or proper response? evidently not because you're chimping out like a retard lol
>>2600998The game could be 10x better if it had competent developers. SM2 and HD2 both suffer from retarded devs. We're annoyed because we know the true potential of the game, and we rightfully call the devs vatniks and swiggers.Now fuck off.
>>2601006but you're still playing and obsessing over the games. you have a mental illness. please feel better :)
>Weeckfest 2>Armored Core 6>Forza HorizonAll of these combined when it comes to your Astartes painting and parts customization.
>>2601019>projecting
>>2601033lol i accept your concession sperg. i bet you're fun at parties (implying you even talk to people irl)
>>2600976It's because we have 1000+ hours in the game that we know what's wrong with it. Vatniks don't play their own game and don't know what's wrong with it
>>2601070and yet you still play it while calling it a shit game and calling the developers whatever the equivalent is of nigger. make it make sense.
>make it make senseGo back to fucking twitter or facebook holy shit.
>>2600976Retarded nigger faggot get the fuck off 4chan and go back to plebbit or whatever hugbox you came from
>>2601083>>2601086>be level-headed and make proper non-insulting critiquesthis is literally why no game dev cares about what 4chan thinks, you make us all look like insane racist incel stereotypes because you're too lazy to deliver level-headed criticisms. keep raging into the void you retards lol
>>2600705I am also maybe possibly Alpharius or am I?
>>2601097Shut the fuck up holy shit, put on a trip so i can filter you
>>2601105zero rebuttals detected lol. feel better soon :)your posts are such a hilarious self report that you can't help yourself, you just have to emotionally unload on the dev or anyone who questions it immediately. get a life nerd
>>2601097I know this is shit bait but genuinely just kill yourself anyways
This dude is the typical faggot who turned 21 and thinks he's mature.
>>2601120>>2601122zero rebuttals btw
We told you why you're a faggot, and you continue being a faggot. There's nothing more to say. Kys.
>we seethed about us being seething faggots, there's nothing more to seethe about. kys
We're all a little gay here.
Anon is a faggot.
This whole thing happened because the thread was dedicated to the ruinous powers btw.
Why are vatniks like this?
>>2601129Why in the world would anyone debate a retard
I'm amazed there's never been an official Slaanesh marine model that's basically a furry.
>>2601178>why in the world would i stop being a reactionary retard and actually stop playing what i complain aboutlmao
>anon is too autistic to understand why people complain about something they like
>anon is too autistic to understand why hes crying about something they like but tell themselves they dont like
/vm/ is too dead to have a thread schizo, go back to /hdg/
>>2601076What alternatives do you suggest?
>>2601191We already have Space Wolves for that.
>telling hdg and sm2g autists to go backlol
>>2601159But what led up to this heresy anon?>This game is boring and repetitive>Saber won't let me play as true chaos.>Sm2 tards keep calling it "chaos" when it's just thousand sons. This annoys the hell out of me.>Sm2 tards keep shitting on my gay csm fanfiction for chaos missions/classes>Eurocels dropped the ball when the image limit hit. Leaving their post to have their thread be NTR'd by my filthy american keyboard.>(You) posting the most cursed legion in the setting>Erebus giving me edited visions of a sm3 that not only can't be played as chaos, but are just as lazy and boring as the first two games. Sm4, 5 , 6 all gay and unfun grindfests!ACTION NEEDED BE DONE! HOW CAN YOU PAINT ME AS A VILLAIN WHEN YOUR IRRRESPONISBILITY IS SO OBVIOUS YOU ARE THE TRUE VILLIANS!I DID WHAT I HAD TO DO! I DID NOTHING WRONG!
I got everyone to prestige 4 level 25. Now what?
>>2601400If you have all the currencies maxed out, weapons maxed out, and dorito items, you are finally free to have fun
>>2601303tww3 and when it comes out tww40k.
>>2601449>CAlmao no
>>2601420This.
>>2601470>CA>Saber>Fatshark>GW>Owlcat>King artWhat's it gonna be anon?
Alpha Legion are just adorable little dudes causing mischief.
>>2600976>like all the biggest haters have like 1000+ hours make it make sense lolWhy would this be illogical? The people who care most about something will be the most vocal about it. They'll also have the most in-depth understanding of the games issues. The racism is just funny. But also because SM2 is abandoned largely and its frustrating to see a product you play today be wasted because SM3 is the new cash cow.
>>2601483>>2601420I only have fun if number go up and no more numbers can go up
>>2601695That's why you turn to the gods to give you good luck when gambling it all, worst founding legion fan
>>2601699I already do that whenever I leave crossplay on
>>2601282blockfag could be considered our general's "schizo" but otherwise i don't think someone doing unpaid shilling could be considered that
Play ability charge on groundpound kills for the daily and get killed mid charge. I'm amazed that they break every single perk with each update.
Above all I see people flying loyalist World Eaters colors when playing a renegade legion, we even have our own resident general WE (hello brother), why is that? Just a pleasant color scheme?
>>2601699I love Matafakker
>>2601159It may be grim Brother. But we shall persevere.
>>2601963There's probably more than one because I doubt you're referring to me, my vanguard has Pre-heresy WE colors.The blue and white is an appealing color scheme, yes. The good purple for EC's need DLC and I have trouble making the Death Guard look appealing. I have a pre-heresy Thousand Sons Tactical and I've yet to see another one of those.Ran into a number of EC's a while back.
Slaanesh is sending me disgusting, baser visions.
>>2602030that's just phobos armor.
People that want firstborn armour aren't thinking far enough back. I want Great Crusade armour so I can make my Isstvan III WEater.>Spit on Angron's grave when he dieshttps://youtu.be/uCxtX_czIfI?list=RDuCxtX_czIfI
>>2600976It's 4chan, of course there's racism. But more importantly, the reason why people with a 1000 hours in the game are always the ones who are the harshest and most unhinged in their criticism is because they obviously have played the game a lot and therefore have a good understanding of what works and what gets annoying, but also they are in a toxic love-hate relationship and so develop tunnel vision where they only see what annoys THEM as those who have poured so much time into one of the few things that still gives them some joy. They're literally battered wives. Doesn't mean they're entirely wrong, but their perspective is skewed.
>>2602049Man, Chaos is never going to be cool. I don't give a fuck, every single one of them betrayed their brothers, I have no respect for scum like that.
>>2602049Every loyalist who died on Istvaan III was a better man than 100 traitors who lived. The Death Guard's dread and the captain choosing not to go into the bunkers to spite the traitors and detonating their suit still gets me.
>>2602063>Where is the honor in this?
>>2602063>We go together, then?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WlhRoQFFlo
People who love loyalists from traitor legions are addicted to wallowing in their own melancholy. You listen to sad songs and imagine happier times that never came.
>>2602077Yes, and?
>>2602077It's a sublime feel and it's disappointing that you reject it.
>>2602030kek
>>2602077I prefer the traitor marines from loyalist legions, but both are neat
>>2602030Wearing Phobos armor turns you into a femboy?
>>2602183You were always a femboy, Anon.
Is normal siege a good way to level weapons?
>>2602245Fuck no. Absolute Decapitation missions.
>>2602245Just loop Inferno/Decap, geneseed also gives weapon XP. The only reason you'd do siege is for weapon colors and the 50 points
>>2602250I dunno if I want to go into absolute with a purple primary that doesn't have a heroic variant>>2602253I assume in absolute as the other anon said right?
>>2602259Absolute will get you there the fastest if you can reliably clear it, otherwise just go at whatever difficulty that doesn't have full wipes a majority of the time
>>2602259you can ask people here to babysit you on absolutes
>>2602262I can reliably clear it with my maxed out relics, I got the red cape on tactical too
Fun trivia for you Brothers: There are more loyalists Iron Warriors who survived the Horus Heresy (100k out of about 200k who stayed loyal from a traitor legion of like 1.25 million just before Istvaan) than Imperial Fists post-Scouring (less than 10,000 after the numerous battles and post-Iron Cage).
>>2602222>Be me granrag the fierce. Space wolf veteran >Peak fenrisian masculinity, second to none in chainsword combat. Drink the alcohol from the blood of sorcerers and piss on their corpses. More hair on my body than a wulfen.>Some weird red robot catapillar guy starts offering biological upgrades. Says he can make me even better.>Fuck ye I want some of that!>Tells me to strip down and lay on the operating table while he gets his things. Go along with it because every brother has had at least 19 surgeries before.>Comes back with a giant rectal plunger the size of a tank round. >Clamps my restraints in and I wrap my head around the consequences of my actions>Plunger goes in and makes a mockery of my anus and prostate. No lube no warning. >Can feel new organs crawling up through my colon and slowly move up to when they need to be The plunger goes deeper. I can feel certain rings and ribs of it pass through with inhuman force.>"You're crossing the Rubicon">Vomit>Pulls it out and rams it back in like a jackhammer over and over> Black out>Wake up>Taller, lith, slender>really want to read the codex astartes and suck guillimans big girthy cock.>Start losing body hair. Dressing femininely. Only Phobos armor doesn't make me look fat>Now only want to wear the gay furry helmet and will whine if my sergeant doesn't slap my ass after a good job.Brothers....what do I do?
>>2602049>Did we hurt them captain? Did this mean anything?>Yes, we hurt them here. They'll remember this.
>>2602259>I dunno if I want to go into absolute with a purple primary that doesn't have a heroic variantNo one cares. If you have just 1 weapon that is end game then you're fine
>>2602333im not reading that
*becomes a ranged class with a shield*
>>2602486Melee is a larp. They've invented guns for a reason. Just shoot the ayylmao. What's it gonna do, not die?
>>2602564>What's it gonna do, not die?You need to specify how many shots are needed and what weapon has to be min-maxed. I mean it's a Saber game ain't it?
>>26023251.25 million IW? Weren't the Ultramarines the most numerous Legion at something along the lines of 250-300k Marines?
>>2602573Yeah I don't know where he's getting his numbers from.Maybe he's thinking of recruitment numbers during the Heresy without consideration for the fact that every legion was vacuuming up every young man they could find to replace losses.
>>2602070
>>2602325Anon if you're gonna post trivia, please don't just pull it out of the warp.
Brothers, quick! You can win additional points for your Battle-barge! Isn't it great?
>>2602748>playing this insanely boring mode for more than the already dreadful 15 wavesHaha, no.
>>2602748100 accolades!? What am I gonna do with so much currency?! ffs Saber, give us some cosmetics for these events
RMCGWI need one european
Does this work with gun strike and/or execution kills?
>>2602775i've got dinner in the oven anon, i'm sorry
The final burning perk on the pyreblaster/cannon is a substantial dps loss
>>2602780No.
>>2602761>>2602748Can't you get the same for doing weeklys?
>>2602564>Plasma perk does ok when on servo gun. >Cool let's try plasma incinerator for my IF tactical! I got the champ skin for it!>Taking me 4-5 charge shots to down a fucking warrior or rubric marine on hard siege>Barely see any damage at all on nuerothropes or hellbrutes again with charged headshots >Run out of ammo frequently >Eventually go "fuck it" to meet them in melee and get actual results >And explosive radius? Lol sure if they're right next to the target >Oh you fired 4 shots or charged one shot too long. I'm overheating you gotta waitTell me I'm a retard and that there's a super secret meta that makes this gun good, because no plasma should not be getting outclassed by fucking bolt weapons
>>2602780It doesn't but it is still the best cause you can just shoot some minoris with your pistol for ammo every 15 seconds.
>>2602833I was wondering about that. Isn't it so you can fire and forget more, saving ammo and doesn't it also help with the DOT stacks, thereby staggering faster? I know you specifically take it to abuse the way that Krak rounds work because then the DOT gets that bonus and applies insane damage if you switch to your bolter secondary while enemies are burning.
>>2602486Unironically how I prefer to play Bulwark. You've got access to the best secondaries in the game and perks that actually let you use them about as efficiently as primaries and all of your best melee perks work by becoming a walking death zone off of parrying anyway so the "best" melee setups are liable to just get you killed because you can't move as freely as assault.Like, between Ammo HBP, Ammo Volkite, and Fire Rate Plas you shouldn't have too much issue killing things with your guns and staying alive.
>>2602917Plasma is only good on Heavy.
>>2602947The guns themselves do good dps when I tested, surprisingly. On tac if you drop the final burning perk you can pick up more ammo. On heavy you can get the hyperarmor stance.
>>2602748Normal or hard?
>>2602062World Eaters had way more loyalists die on Istvaan than any other traitor legion. We honor them even if they didn't have a super cool guy like Tarvitz for the EC.I guess Macer Varren sorta counts
>>2603029Any difficulty.
>>2602748I'm already maxed with accoladesWhat these vatniks should do is to allow hard siege waves to be counted as single Absolute matchesThat way every week folks are grinding 15 matches immediately without resorting to meme stratagems
>>2603046>World Eaters had way more loyalists die on Istvaan than any other traitor legion. Didn't most of the world eaters loyalists die in there little rebellion against angron?>>2602761>ffs Saber, give us some cosmetics for these eventsCHAOS SKINSCHAOS SKINSCHAOS SKINS I want a noisemarine heavy.
>>2603092>Didn't most of the world eaters loyalists die in there little rebellion against angron?What was left of the legion had Angron personally go down and cull the majority of his legion. He was fucking proud of them for it too, because that's how HE wanted to die back on Nuceria.
They could literally repurpose the existing chaos weapon cosmetics and armor in Eternal War and just make Chaos Operations against Tyranids.Fighting against the Imperium with their guardsmen-astartes enemies with a couple tanks and a redemptor sounds a bit less exciting than big demons and stuff.Hell, no loyalists terminator assets either.
>>2603123Isn't Calgar wearing modified termie armor? Or is it just gravis?
>>2603062The underlying issue with SM2 is that there's zero to do when you max out your weapons and currencies. They have an inkling of a good idea with ordeals but they implement them in their typical retarded russian-depression way. There should be gear/skins and variants of those released as in-game challenge/activity each week (or as a bi-weekly event). Going that route you'd satisfy both vets and people who don't spend so much time in the game. It boggles the mind they can't be arsed to take people off that shovelware they're developing all the time and have them make small additional content. Crazy idea I guess.>>2603092You won't ever get any Chaos cosmetics in PvE (excludin some decals already in the mode), they said as much. It's literally James Workshop putting indefinite moratorium on it.
>>2603161>when you max out your weapons and currenciesAnd levels and paragons obviously, I forgot to add those.
>>2603161>nothing to doDepends on your definition. If it's grinding out progression towards unlocks and max levels, that's your problem.I'm not saying there shouldn't be more content, or more content released more often, but you CAN just play the game for the sake of playing it. You can just decide to try absolute carries. Sometimes there's fun dailies or even weeklies.You can play custom strats with friends and turn on like 12 different modifiers so long as they don't conflict. They even still count towards the capegrind.
It never crossed my mind that I would ever start hating a map this much, but Purgation really did that to me after all
>>2603259Every chaos map has some retarded unfun gimmick that makes never want to play it again
>>2603259The only thing that annoys me in Purgation is the weird sliding effect that occurs when I get on a floating rock. Particularly the one that travels horizontally because that thing can sometimes just slide me off the rock and make me climb back up the hill to get on again.
>>2603259It's fast though and no stupid boss :)
>>2603382>no stupid boss :)For now, just you wait for termie sorcerer :^)
>>2598832>I will love chaos the nanosecond they add in other legions that are not the thousand sons.> But the budget and the manpower andandandIt honestly shouldn't be that hard>Chaos Spawns, Cultists, Helbrute can be ported 1:1>Tzaangors are easy to tweak into unaligned Beastmen>Similarly Cadians can be tweaked into Traitor Guard to make Culstist more interesting>They already have multiple unique CSM models for PvP, hell even voice actors at hand>Campaign already features loyalist marines you fightHalf of the work is done already, including fucking assets and skeletons. New Red Corsairs are particularly perfect for this, since GW made their unique models have kitbashed armor marks while using plenty of Traitor Guard and Beastmen in their armies. This would be honestly mod tier, if not for needing some animations. All those enemies they added since release took far more effort than making non TSons CSM would.But I still think they will leave them for SM3.
i rape retards
>>2603542my gun is bigger than yours
>>2603348It's the>prayer, we heard u rike poisonous swamp, here u go, u rike?That makes me drop the queue if I join through QM
>>2602748>Shitty 100 pedo coinsNow that's just insulting. Didn't they earn enough money from the sales until now to warrant churning out more shit instead of... whatever this is.
Why can't I fight the Hive Tyrant in the simulator? I wanna git gud at it without spending 15 minutes and then failing. Yeah I know I'm a scrub, but something about this niggas moveset just throws me every time.
How to make Siege better>Remove all these gay little Objectives about defending and looking for shit>Instead make new Objectives like "Kill the buffed to fuck super Lictor within this wave and you get X points" or "Close the Chaos Portals through overwhelming firepower" where you just blast into them so hard it forces Chaos to close the spawn points, make Objectives about being the aggressor, not being a passive cuck in a mode about killing perceptively endless enemies>Players start with bog-standard loadouts scaled for difficulty, and then just introduce a fucking pseudo CoD Zombies chest system through some armory delivery system where the Cadians/Acheran are dropping support for you depending on performance/objective completion
>>2603824>Turn it into a roguelikeEh. Maybe as a separate mode.They should've made siege with modifiers its own separate mode from classic siege as well honestly.
>>2604028They should've just stuck more to what endless was like in WWZ. That was fun enough. Siege in SM2 is just a clusterfuck where the game throws a lot of shit at you without any coherent map design or interesting choices in terms of placing defenses and so on. You just buy shit and run around the place. It's too passive.
Today I found out melta bombs are the only equipment that has friendly fire. I was on the receiving end.Also, since I started using flamer on Tactical, I've blown myself up so many times because the flames just go through objects and detonate explosives behind them. The damage radius is also ridiculous on them and they take off almost all your health. Fun.
>>2603679Follow up: How do I deal with the circle spam when there's an add phase? That always fucks me up, especially when the HT then also decides I'm his new target of choice.
>>2604105Melta bombs don't have friendly fire, but like all equipments you can damage yourself with themThe issue is that allies can also make your meltabomb explode, consequently damaging you
>>2604157Just keep moving and roll out of the circles,they don't explode immediately
>>2604157Keep moving. If there's one thing I'll give Saber they nailed the "You're standing in bad, idiot" UI design. Your screen wigs out if you're standing in a circle but you can just move and 9/10 times you'll get out scott free. The real danger in HT is the adds phases. Each phase he spawns a small pack of gaunts and two rando melee warriors and it gets a bit harder to manage. It's not so bad phase 1 but phase 2 if he starts radials and you have a whip fucker on your ass you might as well kiss your fiber bundled ass goodbye.
>>2604191I didn't have any meltas though. Someone detonated a melta and I died. Unless it was some sort of freak coincidence and I hit a barrel or something.
>>2604191i can confirm they do FF, someone put a melta bomb near me and exploded it by shooting it, i died instantly lol. had no idea what caused it until he apologized
>>2604250>>2604236They either fucked something up with the last update or I am going senile, I remember never having issues blowing meltas close to other players
>>2604250If you shoot someone's melta, it becomes your melta. >>2604157For the little circles, just move out of the way. For the neurothrope waves, you can stun him out of it.
>>2604289i mean its possible im the one that show it, i was surrounded my minoris and couldnt really see the ground, but from his apology it seemed like hes the one that shot it. still pretty troll to put a melta near a teammate either way
>>2604289for zoanthrope/neurothrope shield, can you disable it somehow or do you just eat shit until it goes away?
>>2604289>If you shoot someone's melta, it becomes your melta. Ooooooooh, I probably shot his melta then with the flamer. I stood right over it and flamed downwards into the pit where the nids where and the melta was placed on the ledge - I hadn't noticed it.>>2604294For Neuro, you roll through the pulses towards it and once you're inside the bubble, you're safe and can melee it to stun it out of that state. Then you can melee it some more until it finally starts charging to push you away, move before it detonates that.
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>>2604358cool so zoanthropes you just have to wait for it to expire i guess. their twins never seem to shield at the same time so i guess its a balance decision
>>2604198>>2604216>>2604289Right, thanks, I think I get that fight now. The moveset of the tyrant I just have to practice more, but the adds were what was throwing me most of the time. I looked out for add spawns the last couple of games and if I was free, I dealt with them and that massively simplifies the fight.
>mfw my reaction time is so bad i keep perfect dodging out of heavy stance by accident
>>2604508As long as it works Brother
Eat up the stew, Brothers. You're gonna need your sustenance for this horrid cape grind you've got ahead of you.
>>2604605cyп нaвapили
>>2604605>cape grindMuch appreciated Brother. I might eat some, if only for the taste since that nuisance is already behind me until they add more unlocks for bulwark and techie
>>2604508>>2604522yeah honestly as long as you avoid damage what's really the difference. at least you know what you could have done better
>>2604605By the Emperor, I love barrel soup
>>2602748Accoldaes are the blue doritos right? I'm not suffering through 30 siege waves for something I can get 150 of from the easy weekly in a fraction of the time.
I like Siege.
>>2604799Its barebones as fuck and the boss that fires laser everywhere is peak cancer.
>>2604807Mutalith. I think everyone was disappointed when it and the tzaangors were ported from AoS to fill out the TS codex. I know I was
>>2604863I don't respect this thing, i refuse to remember its name.
Look, it's gay because it's Reddit and the only reason I know is because I stupidly post ideas there unilaterally alongside the Focus forums in the dumb hope it has any effect on the game, but I felt like letting you all know that a literal cuck of an Instagram thot who bragged he's the Sigismund of SM2 has effectively decimated the image of the Black Templars there, and everybody's clowning on him to the extent the mods joined in.
>>2604925So does it count as a kill or an assist if they commit suicide after this?
>>2604799I do not. The only part I like is the random perk system which at least adds some unique randomness for each run. But everything else is terrible. >Forces you to fight Nids and Chaos, can't pick which>Multiple maps, but they're identical in design (3 locations, all attacked from all directions, no linear maps or actual siege mechanics) >The entire terminal system, a minmax wet dream and a random group of players fucking nightmare when 1 player wastes their points, no creativity just 1 forced play style over and over >RNG unlock weapon skins instead of using any of the many currencies we already have>Buggy as shit, no perk if you join after wave 1 spawns for example >Relies on HP sponges for 'difficulty' Its just garbage to be honest, and definitely less enjoyable than Last Stand or SM1 Siege mode. The only saving grace is that the classes themselves are more interesting and have more mechanics but Siege doesn't have anything to do with that. You have a better siege experience doing Inferno or Decapitation.
>>2604925I'm gonna be honest, that shit was hilarious. The Black Templars will never recover from this.
>>2604925>Black Templars are a total clown faction now played exclusively by retards Still though, kino outfits.
>>2604951You managed to make a black templar look like a gay twink, delete this.
>>2604955>You managed to make a black templar look like a gay twink, delete this.All Black Templars are gay twinks why do you think they have more men than any other faction
>>2604956>All Black Templars are gay twinksStop projecting you flaming homo.
>>2604962>Has more men than any other group>Makes all their new boys dress naked >Loves going on little camping crusades together everywhere Pretty gay
black templars are gay twinks and night lords are all prison gay.blood angels are all straight but they kiss eachother like girls during sleepovers
>>2604966>>2604974Thats called brotherhood you gay nerds
Its 2026 anon its ok to come out of the crusade closet we all know you're a little homo
>>2604985dog
>>2604986>>2604981There have been studies on this, the people most homophobic are always just repressed gays who feel shame. Come home gay man, take that big black templar into your arms.
Marines Malevolent got a Primaris update in the new 11th edition, something they lacked in 10th. So they're still kicking in the current era.
What the fuck did they do to the whip warriors, I'm whiffing 100 parries that should have connected
>>2604943>>Buggy as shit, no perk if you join after wave 1 spawns for exampleAlso no blue chips.
>>2604951Always were. It's been weird how many times a BT player is an actual Nazi. 3/3 for me so far.
>>2604994
>>2605006I forgot that one yeah fucking annoying. And we STILL don't have a server browser.
>>2605004Some days i just fuck up parries that really should have connected. Doesn't matter if i'm host or not. Game just decides its time for you to eat shit.
>>2605019Its ok to like men, straight and gay are artificial constructs my black brother.
>>2605024Trvklear apvkalvpse
Using the power sword feels so fucking good, damn, it's so smooth
>>2605024stop it
I'm done with this fuckass game until we get an actual update
>>2604999I'm noticing a lot of the new images specifically have parts seen in Space Marine 2. Which tells me Saber does in fact have some sort of special in-house deal with GW going on.
>>2605029>>2605026>Anon sees this and gets a funny feeling in his pants
>>2605028I am addicted to the execution sound*waa-SCHUNK*
>>2605030See you next year
>>2604956>why do you think they have more men than any other faction>He doesn't knowIt's hilarious to be that Black Templars get labelled gay when the 1st legion exists.
>>2605033no thanks, im into real life blood angels >>2582592
>>2604943>>2605006I don't know why they don't just put the modifier terminal outside of the elevator room. I don't see what would be unbalanced about that.Trapping it in the elevator room just fucks over forgetful people, siege noobs, and late joiners. I forgot to check the atonement once, and it was squad unity. Started dying for the first time in 10 waves. Kept my wave 1 med kits through all 10 waves too until squad unity. Had enough points to swap it to something else almost three times over.
>>2605051>I don't know why they don't just put the modifier terminal outside of the elevator roomBecause they never think ahead
>Assault gets a new ranged weapon>Its terrible The Assault curse remains unbroken
Some hard siege atm
Codes, fellow Alphariuses?
i'm watchan LoGH right now, i shall join any posted codes in a little bit
we do whatever
>>26051232/3
>ping shot up to 450>finally back down around 130Thank god.
>>2605112Join already, you godless nigger.
Sorry I kept exploding, cousins.
disgusting tyranid scum
Hydra dominatus.
dat wuz fun, dun for now
why is this game so much easier without other people
>Do a full item build for techy>Its irredeemable garbage because he doesn't have a free item every 60 seconds God I hope SM3 ditches classes. What a terrible idea this was.
>>2605540Tact and Tech's equipment team perk should be swappedHeavy's ammo team perk should give ammo regen instead
>>2605563Techmarine should have grenade regen, Tactical should have ammo reserve, Heavy should have ammo regen.
>>2605563>>2605588There should be no classes at all, these are all basically hero characters they can do what they want >light, medium, or heavy armor, which gives 2/3/4 armor and movespeed >Either a small Primary/Secondary/Melee or Large Primary + Secondary/Melee or Large Melee + Secondary >A wide range of active/passive abilities
>>2605588>>2605563>>2605540Secure Stockpiles should be the 1st Techmarine team perk with 2-tab armour restoration for every Majoris+ kill as the second perk with Reinforced Position being reworked into an even better max turret spec perk (lighting enemies on fire, more ammo, health and damage, including the initial addons)Tactical's gets Aligned Aim as its first team perk and buffed even more, Advanced Conditioning is removed and Secure Stockpiles go to the Techmarine and replaced by a auspex team perk upon pointing (one target per user) and a teamwide +50% ranged damage boost perk when health is at 50% and belowHeavy's Additional Supplies replenishes 2 magazines worth of ammo (both primary including secondary fire and secondary) every 60 seconds in addition to adding 4x the magazine size for all guns. Bonds of Brotherhood gets removed in favour of a semi-permanent Iron Halo perk that removes any kind of weapon cooldown/venting and increases its rate of fire, accuracy, projectile speed and range
Damn, super easy weekly. This game needs to be harder.
>>2604999LET'S GO FELLOW DICKHEADS
>>2605705>only one easy weekly after 6 weeks of ChaoshitsFuck off
I spoke too soon.
I died 3 times as a Heavy...
>>2605818if you didn't end up finishing it wanna coad up?
>>2605931I beat it but I don't mind going again. Need 10 mins tho.
The heals are nice but goddamn is being swarmed by unblockable lictor leaps and gangs of zoans/biovores still a bit tough,
>>2605818the heroic plasma is a monkey paw, it's only ammo efficient if there's a tactical around but your tactical ate shit and probably sucksassaults and bulwarks are better with the neo-volkite pistol
>>2605957>assaults and bulwarks are better with the neo-volkite pistolIt's crazy how much this thing went from dogshit to pretty damn good in U13.
>>2605961for chaos i prefer the heroic plasma just to kill chaos spawn and flying tzaniggers immediatelywith tyranids i run neo-volkite exclusively now unless there's some weird ass modifierthe 1h smg is decent now but ammo economy still sucks, imagine what a 1.5x headshot modifier does
>>2605931Code it up brother.
>>2605953yeah sure6IFQR
Which Chapter has the coolest successors?
>>2606006Imperial fists....
>>2606008lorefags, does any successor chapter have anything in common with impfists, or did GW just take a bunch of cool chapters fans were too invested in to be memoryholed and said they are impfist successors now so that they fit the horus heresy retcon?
>>2606006Imperial Fists definitely have a handful of really good ones, both the true successors and the implied traitors.>Exorcists>Sons of the Phoenix>Celestial Lions>Soul Drinkers>Crimson Fists
>>2606024I believe that's literally what happened with Crimson Fists, who were actually part of the original crop of Space Marine color schemes released way back in Rogue Trader. Everybody else from that batch got retconned into a legion, I dunno why Crimson Fists became a second founding chapter.
>>2606006Ultramarines have an argument due to sheer variety and Imperial Fists have an argument because Fists are the unflavored gelatin that's left over after the splitting of the legions
>>2606024>>2606026Smurfs and Fists absorbed a ton of 2nd and 11th legions along with most loyalists from traitor legions post-Heresy.Main difference is that the Smurfs absorbed them into the greater Smurf kultur while the Fists kept them together while having a few Fists as their main core leadership.The Silver Skulls are "Ultramarines" but they were founded by the remaining survivors of Dantioch's small cadre and since the Iron Warriors have the largest loyalists among the traitors since Perturabo just left them off-planet they all ended up becoming """Smurfs""" or """Fists""". There's one Devastator/Heavy company who joined the Raven Guard and formed their own siege successor from a legion filled with stealth snipers, fast jump packs and assassins.
Anyone here wants to play weekly sieges? Hard and normal?
>He doesn't use hammer bulwark for the challenge of it
>>2606090>He doesn't use steering wheel and the whole racing set and relish the challengeBT Brother, I like harder games as much as the next guy but using meme "Saber thought it's cool" build is not up my alley really. Crusade marches on though!
>>2606090>Thunder HammerI prefer to use a more practical tool.
>>2606096IT'S BROTHER CASTRUM WITH THE STEEL CHAIR BY THE EMPERAH
>>2606096jerome chair
>>2605031Any examples?
>>2606168
>>2606168>>2606170
I'm posting this just because it may very well be a possibility that the White Scars have dropped the nightmare-inducing leg heraldry in favor of knee markings.
I really hate how the Helbrute's charged shot 100-0's my Sniper.
>>2606170God the mk7 helmet in this game has the worst proportions of any depiction I've seen. It's my (second) favourite helmet but looks so weird in this game.
>>2606170>MKVII/VIII helmet that sternguard had over 3 years ago>helmet isn't even actually the same as the in-game version, with notable differences that are very distinct on models>legs with MKVI no kneepads that sternguard had over 3 years ago>rest is standard primaris gearNothing about the marine on the left has anything introduced by SM2
>>2606190I disagree, I actually really like the way the Mk7 looks in this game. It's probably my second favorite interpretation behind the one seen in the Astartes shorts.The Mk8 on the other hand is an abomination.
>>2606194>SternguardsNot the rank and file, and for them it was often a veteran legacy thing where they chose to keep old parts after crossing the Rubicon. All the new leg variants we've recently gotten turned up in 11th for all the basic space marines at roughly the same time. So yeah I am of the belief GW is passing forward which parts to push.
>>2606090Holy Emprah, fucking BASED
>>2606172Please Saber, the decals for the new leg pieces, I beg of you, I am gonna cum
>>2604951You could basically go to a gay club like this and not look out of place.
>>2606211I dunno if they're gonna do it for SM2, but for SM3 it's a fucking no brainer>Forehead decals>Shoulder decals>Forearm decals>Knee decals>Shin decalsAll with rescaling, transparency and pristine/worn scales. SM3 should be the Forza/Armored Core of customizing your dudes.
>>2606183It's great how it's also completely undodgeable if you're at certain rangesAnd how it will just instakill you if you're trying to melee it from behind(terminus enemies in general are really bad with how they can't be melee'd if you're not their target because they'll constantly throw out AoE attacks without warning and with strange hitboxes)>>2606198The space wolf range refresh also featured kneepad-less legs with high frequency and a few older helmets, and those were for blood claws and grey hunters rather than veterans. I can't prove it isn't on direct order from GW, but giving primaris marines these bits isn't anything new.
>>2606213Please Brother, I can only get so erect
Is it me or does Lethal difficulty have an unusually high amount of techmarine turrets spawning? Did inferno Lethal on Techie and the last platform had 3 turrets while it is rare for it to have 2 in lower difficulties.
>>2606230Sometimes the game will just shower you in turret spots, other times you barely get anything or all the turrets are way behind the enemy spawns.
>60 hours played>only played heavy>pick up tech marine yesterday>go on an average operation>suddenly feel like a grandpa who has no idea what a PC is>first loss since installed the gameWhat the...
>>2606303Techmarine is a bigger glass cannon than Tactical is on behalf of the fact he has no HP% increase and no reliable means of preventing small scale stagger. All he really has is the additional armor gains on Majoris+ executes.
>>2606303Anon you spent 60 hours on one class. And Heavy is kind of particular. I made the same switch a while ago after spending like 20 hours on Heavy and felt similar. Switching from Tech to Tactical was much more straightforward for me.>>2606338He also has armor gain on servo gun kill on a 30s cooldown. Tactical has no armor or health regen at all, only that Prestige perk. I found Tech a lot easier not to die with.In any case, that Anon said he was playing Heavy, not Tactical.
>>2606381He said he lost after playing Techmarine after maining Heavy for 60 hours. I was merely making the comparison that Techmarine is the squishiest, and armor regain isn't as good as net HP bonuses or anti-stagger.
How goes the cape-grind, faggots? I'm way too lazy, I only just got my first piece of drip for Tactical.
>>2606447I'm not feeling it enough to even start the grind
>>2606412nta but heavy is also kind of a shit first class because of balanced melee and being able to outdamage enemies in melee just by keeping shooting; you literally have to rewire your brain to play other classes efficiently t: got heavy to lvl 25 before trying any other class because i was so afraid of melee
Can't believe Soul Drinkers never had their icon added in the last update. This is a crime.
>>2606447ngmi because I can't do Absolutes
>>2606525I can reliably pass absolutes as long as it's not up to me to duel the boss or anything, but my intense, vice-like autism screams that I'm wasting XP that could be used to prestige the rest of my classes.And if I level those classes, that same autism screams "this class doesn't get a cape, you're wasting your absolute grind"
>>2603824>>Remove all these gay little Objectives about defending and looking for shitAnon... you're defending a likely thousand year old fortress that needs repair and maintenance.>I and my team are too incompetent to hit e on a map, but we can totally be trusted with giganigga rape machine superlictor>CoD zombies bullshit How to ACTUALLY make siege better >Make missions either not be void at the end of the wave or able to be accomplished in shorter periods of time. The servo skull one is straight up impossible>Let me paint valtus and the class support as my custom chapter.>Allow me to choose all of the space marine class supports I want to. No more choosing, I can have all six up if I can afford it. multiply that by 3 and we can have up to 21 marines at once>Give vortex and hive tyrant cool executions for killing them. Get that beam out of hive tyrants back too.>Nerf vortex>Include some specialized chaos enemies like berserkers, noise marines, and plague marines.
>>2606544Defending is passive because it literally requires you to not be engaging with the horde. The worst offenders being the Las Generators. Passive is antithetical to a horde shooter like this, it is mind rotting and kills the flow of a mode about fighting endless waves.The player also needs to feel like they're earning something to make the time investment worth it. Being stuck with 1-2 optimal weapons for 15+ minutes is not engaging either.
>>2606544I would take four juiced up lictors over escorting a fucking servo-skull any day of the week.
>>2606447I got my first one on tactical recently too but for the second one I will take my time with it in all honesty
>>2602917The secret is that Plasma always does max damage regardless of where you aim.
>>2606543Techmarine got cucked hard by U13, no rear unlocks, no crotch cloths, no ordeal unlocks, nothing.
>>2606544I'd rather kill 3 gigga lictors over the "stand in a spot for half the wave trying not to kill everything too fast" or "follow a servo-skull that you have to walk away from every 2 seconds because otherwise it's broken and refuses to do anything" missions we have now
>>2604956>>2604962>All Black Templars are gay twinksThey start that way sure, but the sisters of butthole are not having that. They will MAKE you straight even if they have to straddle you for the rest of your tour
>>2606447See >>2604638
>>2606544Objectives are turbogay by default because they often fail before you can even reach 50% completion because the horde dies, even if you jump to it the nanosecond they're announced. No, I'm not going to fucking stall the mission because the devs are retarded. Objectives in their current state are retarded and that's a fact.
Every Tac I'm getting is using Aligned aim wtf?
>>2606447I have black capes on vanguard and tac but I cbf getting any ordeals on other classes
>>2606626you are now aware that every vanguard is running the melee damage perk (while using fencing), and every heavy - extra ammo (while hipfiring for the entire op)
>>2606626The issue is that they look at "15% extra gun damage" and think it's the best of the three, but then look at "grenade regen" and think it's terrible because "who uses kraks, shock, or meltas" due to them genuinely have room temperature IQ
I just realized while painting my Bulwark that if you put an iron halo on the backback and move him around, the iron halo jiggles.
>When you're the first one to go down in a mission
>>2606550>Defending is passive because it literally requires you to not be engaging with the horde.I'm sorry do you not...fight....the enemy in sieges? Even when doing the missions rarely can you just ignore the enemy because they spawn right in front of whatever you need to go to. You often have to fight your way through. You have guys covering you while you interact with things and go back to shooting your way >The player also needs to feel like they're earning something to make the time investment worth it. Being stuck with 1-2 optimal weapons for 15+ minutes is not engaging either15waves of hard siege consistently nets me about 12k xp and I can do it with low levels pretty easily so long as I'm economy maxing. It is the fastest way to grind period. I don't even know why people bother with absolutes bar the stupid cosmetic unlockables.>>2606594>>2606555See you say that, but then you'll get blindsided by the surprise attack from behind you that does now 4x the damage and 5x the health when you do hit him you'll be singing a different tune and if not you your rando teammates will. You don't want this. You want a servo skull that moves a little faster, won't screw you over for killing the horde to fast, and maybe one less stop. There are other ways
>>2606702>I'm sorry do you not...fight....the enemy in sieges?Not when doing objectives, no. Because they're often completely outside of the main spawn point. So two people are fighting the horde and having fun while I'm busy cuck rolling towards a random interactable.
So it's obvious that raven goy are the numetal/emo chapter but which is the hair metal chapter? Blood Angels?
>>2606447I got the red capes for tactical, assault and technically bulwark since I got to 25, now working on sniper,might switch to heavy, not sure
Leveling the Multi-Melta is a special kind of pain
>>2606709>Not when doing objectives, noWell that sounds like a massive skill issue then. You got a gun use it, just multitask and slowly move to wherever you need to be. Nobody is making you cuckroll. The only time you really need the coverfire is when you're recharging las cannons.Do you not do this in ops? Having to move to interact or hold or escort something while also fighting off enemies? Why is it not ok in siege?
>>2606714Emperor's chadren. A legion too based for sm2
>>2606447I've got all of them done the day after patch released. So yeah, I'm good.
>>2606727it's the only weapon that feels good while leveling. You kids have no idea how shitty weapon grinding used to be before the introduction of heroics.
It has happened again. wtf?
>>2606764>apothecary confirmedjust you wait anoninb4 they make him black legion or red corsair or something
>hard siege gets my tactical about 680ish xp away from max level>Hmm don't want to risk an absolute run that someone might fuck up, oh I know I'll do a minimal!>Instakill everything I see and try to speed run through it>Damn this op is long>Get so bored halfway through that I just voluntarily get bored, quit the game and go to bed
>>2606756>Well that sounds like a massive skill issue then. You got a gun use itWhat am I meant to be shooting at exactly? Anon, the objectives it often expects me to do are outside of where the enemies are currently spawning. Hence why I, and another anon, have said they're boring. No, it is not exciting or engaging cuck rolling towards a battery or a LasGen on the other side of the map that's specifically far away from where all the fighting is happening. Never mind that it's often not worth the effort because my teammates will have killed everything by the time I get there.
>>2606775>implying I'm using heroics>implying I don't have HB and HPI maxedMulti-Melta is the hardest by far to grind, but then again, I'm using it on a freshly prestiged Heavy
>>2606785are zoomers the ultimate solution for world peace?>zoom zoom president gets angry at another country>starts planning a war>gets bored, goes to sleep>next day he doesn't remember he was angry in the first place
>>2606796>What am I meant to be shooting at exactly?The lictors and raveners that often, as they are designed to do, go behind enemy lines and buttrape lone stragglers like yourself. Don't say that never happens it happens all the time. Besides a good portion of these missions take all around the map. You're encountering something.I'm starting to think you do these missions a bit late. You got to do them right after they're issued.
>>2606852>The lictors and raveners that often, as they are designed to do, go behind enemy lines and buttrape lone stragglers like yourself.This literally doesn't happen in Siege to the point it matters. Enemies congregate around the spawn area and won't follow you out of it 90% of the time, this includes the likes of Terminus and even bosses.
>>2606852>The lictors and raveners that often, as they are designed to do, go behind enemy lines and buttrape lone stragglers like yourself.enemy ai in this game does not follow lore. they do not target stragglers, they target whoever is dealing the most damage at any given time.
Easy peasy tu mama en biciunless you didnt complete the double hellbrute
>>2606863>>2606866>This literally doesn't happen in SiegeYes it does all the damn time it does!>Two guys focus on the spawn points>Invisible or underground xenos evade teammates notice or there are simply too many xenos and they start leaking through.>Guy number three busts his ass delivering a battery or some shit >Get distracted for half a split second and get topped by a grab attack.>DownedI have died multiple times this exact way you disingenuous twats. Are we going to argue all teammates guard spawn zones flawlessly now?
>>2606881so your argument is if your team is hot garbage and get downed then the enemies start filtering out of the spawn and go for you? and that's the same as the more likely situation of your two teammates kill/distract all the shit while you fail to do the objective in time, even when you ran for it right as it was announced?
>>2606852Not any of those other two anons, but you sound like a clueless yet genuine retardditorHave you never played a siege in your life? Those additional objectives are worthless vast majority of the time, you can't get them done even half way through before the wave dies. And even then it's what, spinning a wheel for half a minute or walking around with flying skull lol? This shit doesn't matter at all and might as well not exist
>>2606881Genuinely sounds like you and your teammates just suck desu. High skill pubs don't bother with the objectives because it's impossible to do them fast enough without every player just refusing to shoot, and even then it's still not as good as just buying three Tech Priests.
Guess how many resources the pubbies doing the normal siege had at wave 15
>>2606902It's one thing to not spend points and another thing to ignore requisition terminal and tech priest pings.This is why I simply leave lobbies that don't have 2 L25P4 players.We need a personal level/prestige filter so bad, some faggots love to carry noobs but most don't and prefer to play with competent and experienced players.
I missed one week of siege because siege is fucking gay.
>>2606916>he's on PC so I know he sees the chat>ping the tech priest i buy then ping him>ping him and ping the requisition terminal>at wave 15 he has 3000+ resources>he tries to handshake in the elevator>exit to battlebarge in disgust
>>2606881I'm looking at your posts and I'm beginning to think you have never touched siege. The problem of objectives throwing people off and messing up the flow *is* a problem. And one of the issues is them having you hold a position or run carry-this-shit errands. They are the easiest thing to implement for Saber apparently. And MAYBE if they were worth a damn, you could argue for their existence in their current formula. But it's quite the opposite. And lictors don't just gank you on principle if you fuck off doing an objective, maybe if there are too many this could happen but it's more of a skill issue and not killing quick enough.
>>2606931Anon, are you employed?
>>2606941I roll Suspicious Behavior and shoot both losers to death.
>>2606941>he's on PC so I know he sees the chati play on asian servers so i can empathizethis happening on yuro or north american servers ill literally flip my shit, this is a form of griefing
>>2606948cheat engine
WANKAGUY CALM
>>2606887My argument is that people are fallible beings and that pretending they aren't fallible for the sake of a scenario is delusional. Therefore it's best to keep your eyes about you when moving too far from the group and have turrets installed everywhere. Therefore no. Doing the missions is not "le boring"Is your argument that since your team is perfect all the time we have no need to worry about flankers flanking and in fact don't bother with missions at all because we're perfect and don't need the free resources and fighting mobs with rapidly dwindling resources till we inevitably die is more fun? Faggot?>>2606894>Have you never played a siege in your life?It's all I play now>Those additional objectives are worthless vast majority of the timeIt's free resources! In a game where resources are everything! Have (you) played siege?>>2606895High skill pubs don't bother with the objectives because it's impossible to do them fast enough without every player just refusing to shoot, and even then it's still not as good as just buying three Tech Priests.Doesn't sound very "high skill" to me. Sounds like they determined something was too hard and don't even have the testosterone to take the risk and try. Pussy.
>>2606948>Brother thinks people have time to grind shitty Saber curated ordealsYou edit the values and go to town.
>>2606964>Doesn't sound very "high skill" to me. Sounds like they determined something was too hard and don't even have the testosterone to take the risk and try.There's nothing hard about not killing enemies for 30req. The time loss combined with enemy scaling isn't worth the paltry gains. Speed is everything in Siege.
>buys tech-priests only and exclusively at the beginning of every 5th roundyep
>>2606947>I'm looking at your posts and I'm beginning to think you have never touched siege.I'm doing the same I'm also noticing from this post here that for a guy who's so convinced I'm wrong you seem to be shifting the goalposts quite a bit>Maybe if they were worth a damn>Lictors don't gank unless Maybe if there was too manyFuck off. Have some confidence in your stance before you go off calling people retards. I'm done with you
>>2606999>I'm doing the sameGlad your doing some self-reflection. You will improve thanks to that. Fingers crossed Anon!
>>2606999He mad brothas.
While we're on the topic of siege I want to address something I'm seeing with the "economy" stratSpaming techpriests and turrets might work on 1-15, but past that even full guardsmen regiments really aren't performing enough to get to higher waves. Which means unless you have a player on each and every techpriest you're getting a hit to your economy and eventually your run. We could try valtus, but he's overpriced, under present, and is prone to glitches. I wish there was some way to keep up with the horde, but by 17-19 ish there is nothing you can field that can hold against the horde and you start to waste resources. That's the real problem with siege
Shut up everyone, you are brothers! This is Isstvan all over again...
>>2607026Of course I am I hate faggots.
>>2607042With the way Siege functions right now, I don't understand why they didn't just hard cap the mode to 25 waves. Every iteration has been due to the fact the game starts shitting itself past X minutes because it can't purge corpses 100% and it's basically a form of memory leak.
How much time until a tech-priest pays for itself?
>>2607057The full five minutes. You gain nothing but your team profits.This is why everybody should be buying a Priest each, because then you all actually gain something beyond the 2 minute mark.
>>2607057>>2607068No not the full 5 minutes.... They cost 200Assuming they give you 240 each for the full 5 min (number pulled off of r*dd!t) and give it off evenly 200/240= 5/6*300 seconds =250 seconds or 4.16 minutes I love getting an engineering degree and learning all this advanced math just to do basic story problems for shitposters playing videogames. Indeed the Lord has a plan
NIGGER
Hard siege mode rhythm gets thrown off the moment you have retard teammates who don't buy a tech priest even if you ping them.
>>2606447Got the red capes for Tactical and Assault.2 more runs away from getting the backpack antennas for my Sniper.I don't care for having Iron Halos on my Bulwark when I don't even get an Iron Halo ability so I'm content with my burning pyre skull backpack combo.
>>2607107How was old siege? Because I'm wondering if siege always had the techpriest resource system and console browns just have a hard time adapting
>>2607096>Assuming they give you 240 each for the full 5 min (number pulled off of r*dd!t)The number is wrong, it's 40req per minute, for 200 over the 5 minutes.
>>2607120The Tech Priests were introduced in the patch just gone, they weren't a thing in old Siege, neither was the Commisar or the Tarantulas. The latter being the main reason Techmarine is now hard meta in Siege, because all of his sentry-related perks work on them.
>>2607120Old siege was all about saving points for Valtus in wave 15, that includes doing all of the optional objectives and as many of the class objectives possible.New siege is better even with the negative modifiers.
>>2607125>>2607129New siege is also much faster. Getting to wave 15 in hard mode was a 2 hour ordeal, and now you just zip right to it in 20 minutes.
>invest 200 into an asset which you might lose and must also babysit so you can get back 240 in 5 minutesOn a second thought, I think I'm just going to do the objectives instead.
Saber will nerf techpriest point production, ensuring they're a loss if only 1-2 of them appear in a mapSaber will also remove Deep Pockets because they're seething that Tactical + Auspex and Techmarine + AoE sniper servo gun just wipes out entire waves; combine it with a Heavy with the same heroic HBR it trivializes the entire mode
>>2607122>40*5=200No no end result has got to be over 200. Otherwise there would be no profit and nobody would be gaining resources after. I feel it's either 230 -240ish... Something along those lines. It's not much but there is a small gain.which is why you get tps to begin with >>2607125Wait so you guys just had missions, guardsmen, class reinforcements, and the dread? All without a reasonable income? Fuck that sucks no wonder people don't bother spending.
>people who just run when there's an extremis spawnAbsolutely disgraceful.
>>2607155Far worseGuardsmen were a useless resource since they did zero damageThey still do zero damage by default with the new patch but spending 150 points turns them into a mass Minoris wave with a Majoris-tier commissar
Also Valtus took a damn long time to show up even when summoned and will only attack little shits so you have to clear mobs for him so he'll target the Terminus enemiesWave 15 is also harder with triple Terminus spawns, at least today you'll get a coin toss between a Hive Tyrant (easy) or a Mutalith Vortex Beast (stupidly hard)
>>2607153>Pay your starting 600 on three techpriests >Do your fucking job and guard them. >Get 720 EACH player PLUS anything you're getting from missions or completing the wavesIf you can pay for a team of tarantulas and some guardsmen later on that's pretty safe for early to mid waves. Hard waves? That's another problem >>2607154I'm really enjoying the tactical reinforcement+heavy bot teammate since that seems to basically give you an extra turret team since both just want to sit back and shoot along with boosted range damage
>>2607153They only die if your killing efficiency is low because one or two retards aren't pulling their weights
>>2607153>Might loseIf any of your Tech Priests are dying before Wave 15, that is a genuine mark of a shit trio.
I hate Biovores so much it's unreal
>>2607290It's fucking retarded how tanky they are with no way to bypass it once they're bunkered. You should be able to shoot off their back cannon which forces them to unbunker and fight melee. Likewise getting close in melee should do the same, and melee should bypass their armor.
>>2607316Setting them on fire with pyreblaster/pyrecannon works wonders
HPI chads keep winning
Literally no problem a prepared heroic plasma pisteol can't solve
>>2606544>Include some specialized chaos enemies like berserkers, noise marines, and plague marines.Noise marines>Heavy weapon ranged unit. Shoot wave like blasts from mid to long range that disorients targets >Can be damaged in melee but not directly. Must be stunned first by either a headshot, aoe damage attack, or from being hit from behind. Attacks from the front will be parried and gunstriked>Steals and wastes med stims lying around. Has 100% movement speed buff when doing so.Plague marine >Moves like a terminator but without the teleport. Extremely slow and tanky.>Aoe damage from being around him too long stacks if hit by him >Spews toxic sludge and slime every now and then to poison and slow enemies.>Requires two melee executions to actually kill.>Has a 50% chance to release poison cloud of flies on deathKhornate berserker >Runs at most targets it sees maybe shooting plasma along the way.>Scary as fuck lunge attack>Obscenely long and fast melee combo that would make vortex blush>Can be slowed down with headshots or gunstrikes>If he kills you, you get your skull taken off and can't be revived. No second chances.Each come with cool unique executions for them like melting the noise marines skull with his own doom siren, ripping the butchers nails out of the berserker or bisecting the plague marine
>>2607323>>2607335Dark Angels please go>>2607321If you can reach that cunt. I honestly prefer fighting chaos. Disk niggers are annoying, but at least you can just shoot them and terminators aren't even that bad.
>>2607045I'M NOT YOUR BROTHER, COUSIN
>>2607391WELL I'M NOT YOUR COUSIN, FRIEND.
>>2607400I'M NOT YOUR FRIEND, PAL.
>>2607412I'M NOT YOUR PAL, BROTHER.
5GYB9Comfy codes :3Absolutes or weekly Hard Siege
>>2607418HEY I'M NOT YOUR BROTHER, BUDDY.
Does the Deathwatch rifle's grenades benefit from techmarine's equipment damage buffs?
>>2607454Nope, they don't receive any damage buffs from anything that isn't generic "damage increased by X" modifiers.
>>2607461Mind spoonfeeding me why that's the meta pick for techie then? I'm a returnfag
>>2607468Sniper ServoBattlefield Repairs15% faster Servo recharge, OR the damage boosted TarantulasServo only targets MajorisServo refreshes on Majoris+ incap
>>2607478So the Deathwatch rifle is just generally the better primary then, not because it synergizes with the perks?
>>2607485Correct, it has tons of ammo and ranged horde spaffing with the grenades. Volkite is a great secondary for boss killing too.
>>2607485The grenade launcher is just OP as shit, is all. AOE stagger and lots of damage.
>>2607428expired, brother
>>2607515Sorry brother, nobody joined so I started doing absolutes with randoms.
AbsolutesAre for slutes
>>2607818inb4 hornyspacewolfposting
Has this game peaked, Brothers?
>>2608058I haven't gotten my cape yet, so no.
How do I know whether I got my 100 triangles for going through the arduous and mind-numbing task of clearing 20 waves? (lol no I don't keep track of my blue almost-squares.)Also: Which builds do you enjoy most, brothers?
>>2608208>20 wavesYou only need 15If you are maxed you don't need to play siege weekliesThe emblems associated with siege mode are all trash, you have to really like those chapters to bother unlocking themAlso if you join a team already fighting wave 1 you're not getting blue doritos even if you stick with them, you have to start at the Thunderhawk and load into the game with a team or by yourselfI prefer by myself since I get 600 points immediately and I can buy Techpriests to ensure my early game economy is perfectly set up, fags usually join after I get my 600 points and they can clearly see that buying 3 Techpriests is the meta; even low level idiots who don't belong on Hard
>Why do siege when you can just do absolutes bro?Pic related is why
>>2608223what exactly do tech priests do? someone said they restore resources but what are those? ammo around the map?
>>2608223I meant the 100 from the current event where you have to reach wave 20. I'm familiar with the other stuff, but thanks for the detailed explanation Anon.
>>2608286You pay 200 cashmoney, they give back like, 300 team-wide? Negligible returns if only one guy buys them, but if everyone buys one on the first turn of a sector it's infinite money.
>Sm2 tards always bitching about low levels trying to hitch a ride on their absolute runs.>In honor of being a good little IF boy who just made his first prestige, I will play by LE RULES and will ONLY play on the recommended difficulty for my level starting at level fucking one>Pic related is my reward for waiting in my fwirst eva minimal run>Made it to LEVEL FUCKING THREE!>YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH
>>2608301oh hm someone said to buy them every 5 waves but you should buy them right away then?
>>2608334Yes, on normal siege you buy them on the first wave per sector.On hard siege, there's no point to buy them past wave 10. They will just get fucking merc'd by the retarded amount of spawns.
>>2608350deng ok
>>2608350you can still keep em up mostly till 15 and then you can probably keep one or two up for half the timer past that if you only buy the ones furthest from the wave spawn, turrets can deal with the random shit that trickles through
>>2608303>SECOND MINIMAL>Maybe If I play with actual players and not bots Ill rank up faster with the quick match bonus>NOPE ACTUALLY GOT LESS XP I HAVE NOW MOVED TO LEVEL 4
>join game>load into barge>one guy's in the ready zone>host is afkFucking psychopaths queuing a game and then afking.
>>2608430lmao yeah if you have maxed out guns just do any difficulty you like. low difficulty does not respect your time spent
MINIMAL 3 GIVE IT UP FOR MINIMAL 3! Level 6!>>2608449Anon are you suggesting I jump into a match without the PROPER EXPERIANCE?! That's preposterous I have a 6 next to my name which means I am only LICEANCED to play Average and NOTHING ELSEDO YOU NOT BELIEVE IN THE LAW?
>doing the weekly as bulwark>both of my teammates vanguard and tac suck a bag of dicks>tac dies multiple times>dies at the end to the boss>i go down to the waves and a nidder spamming its unblockable>vanguard sucks and dies failing the thingthis playerbase is unironically filled with shitters and retards, during the bridge section the vanguard takes a medkit from the tac who had a mortal wound the tac had a medkit already and cleared the wound but he goes and dies anyways because he loved going off by himself while i had the buff on me
>>2608543Expecting people to understand medkit usage or, even more complex, health regen from perks, is futile. I'm on low health, the vanguard has the health regen perk, I down the zoanthrope, the full health techmarine executes runs in, gets there before me, and executes it.
>>2608542my brother-nigga, i just go siege once i get my barebone perks and so should you
do you really have to be in a siege from before wave 1 starts to get the points at wave 15?>>2608542:p
I have decided to make my Vanguard a Flesh Tearer and my Heavy a Scythe of the Emperor.Maybe when I get the black cape for my Vanguard I'll consider going as an Exorcist.
FIRST AVERAGE IS COMPLETE! I AM NOW WORTHY OF LEVEL 7>>2608560Then (you) are an abomination to the emperor and to saber, both work very hard to place arbitrary digits next to their difficulty levels and all they ask for in return is that you obey them without question.EVERYONE knows that normal siege is reserved for lvl 25 tier IV vets who have played every op while HARD siege oh well buddy only the best can do that. You got to get to level 30 in normal at the least.Look at the poor innocent absolute players who have OBVIOUSLY followed Saber's leveling edicts. Do you not see the tears in their eyes when you dare to not show up with a already maxed out class in THIER ABSOLUTE RUN? Saber really should go through with filtering scum like you. You literally are not worth of playing to their skill
>matchmaker doesn't even have the decency to prioritize different class pairings so you don't waste two (unmodded) FO4 tier loading screens (yes, mods fix the loading screens)
>guy leaves at wave 5>survive wave 15 >no pointsugh
>>2608689u mad bro?
>>2608782That happens when the guy leaving is the host, it essentially "resets" your run.Fuck those vatniks and their vatnik code.
>>2608977>Fuck those vatniks and their vatnik code.Don't say the V word bro' you will trigger snowflake anon
>>2608985can i call them krokniggers or pidors?
>>2608689>>2608542>>2608430>>2608303>>2608282No one plays Minimal, you basically start at Average and stay there until you get green guns.Then you move to Substantial until you unlock your first gold/Relic weaponry.The problem with newbies is that they play one or two Average/Substantial matches and then immediately shit up Ruthless, Lethal and Absolute lobbies because some dumbfuck carried them into beating Ruthless and Lethal which are required to unlock Absolute.
does "melee kills of extremis" (auxiliary reload) proc if you do an execution?
>>2609141Executions are counted as melee kills yes
>>2609144ok ty!
2nd Average run done! Level 9!>>2608865You're damn right I'm mad! madly in love with correct procedure!>>2608990Everyone who is under level 5 plays minimal anon. Because that's the decreed difficulty. Not everyone is a filthy lawbreaker like (you). It clearly says 5 and therefore people under 5 playing average are shitting it up for level 5-10 chads and should be rounded up to be beaten and put into shitter camps.Is that what you want anon? To be put in the shitter camp? We piss and shit on you there.
>>2609300Imagine being this upset over...nothing
>>2609144eh i cant seem to make it work for plasma :/
>GW will keep pushing space marines forever>We'll never get a game where you play as a SoB and get railroaded into decisions that are all more fucked up than the last.You can start off working with the guard, praising them for their efforts, piety, and high morale, and end the game purging the same guardsman that kept helping you.
man I am so sad, I carried a hard strategem all the way to the end despite one guy on the team whining about me going to "fast" as he gets 1v1ed by a biovore 3 times in a row. The other guy was a level 12 tech (worthless). I carry these tards all the way to the end then trip over my own shoelaces on the last health chunk of the second phase hive tyrant. It hurts brothers
>>2609761and then the very next day we have this fucking hero, beegamer102 the level 5 default skin ultramarine assault (he last a grand total of 13.61 seconds)
>>2609781forgot the screenshot (i am retarded)
How come crack head rejects from darktide are strong enough to carry a power sword and a primary but my assault isnt
>>2609839Vespasius prefers stabby to shooty
I LIKE THE SALAMANDERS AND I'M PROUD
>>2609335I think he's kinda funny
>>2609795RIP
>Saw a Blood Raven player using the Raven Guard chest and cloakI actually feel so fucking retarded not coming up with that.
>Ran into a prestige 1 level 5 bulwark in my absolute run>IH pauldron, Wolf pelt pauldron, Dark Angel winged helmet, Black Templar chest, and Salamander brazier I must be playing with guys with the fashion sensibility of a child just hackneying champ cosmetics one after the other.
>>2610054He's just showing his dedication to financing Saber
>>2610046>>2610054The duality of fashion. You'll either come across a drip god blessing you with something so simple it's genius, or a retarded child smashing Lego together.
>>2609946Salamanders when looked beyond from just the reddit wholesome chapter are heaps cool. People who kitbash and airbrush their flaming minis do them up to be some of the coolest models in the imperium imo.
Annoyed to shit that my favorite Iron Halo and one of the most common ones seen on the tabletop is the grindiest one. Fucking 1000 waves in Siege.
>>2610167>1000 waves in SiegeFuck that, I just CE'd it recently. I can grind some things but there's a line between spending a bit of extra time to earn a cosmetic - especially one like your pic related. Fuck Saber.
>>2610167Crap thats rough. I guess Ill just use cheat engine. Now way im gonna spend few days on getting it
The true goal of the ranged combat in SM3 should be enemies that are resistant but can be mulched Dead Space-style. You should be able to blow off limbs, crater chests, over-penetration is determined by what tissue remains, the individual enemies become weaker in this state as they're slowly eviscerated, but can still put up a fight etc.
>>2610293god please no more nurgle aligned factions
It's retarded that this game encourages rapid quitting from a failed mission because you'll be stuck in less loading screens for itI shouldn't feel punished for failing to hit escape and exit to battle barge fast enough when everyone goes down
>>2610205
>>2610325Yeah, it's really retarded that an absolute strat is for whoever's dead to quit and become a bot to pick up the down'd people.
>>2610341Not even talking about that, just the fact that the loading screen to pre-emptively quit out of a run is faster than the loss screen + loading screen out + a second loading screen because you weren't the host and you're leaving the lobby anywaysSM2 - Sloading Mscreen 2
>>2609661There's a mod online right now that replaces the guard from siege mode to sob
In the new operation, is there a reason to engage in a fight with enemies instead of rushing in, saving the guardsmen and beelining the warp portal? I swear I I haven't played a single run where i wasn't the only person doing the objective.
>>2610385I just rush the guardsmen. Roll to win, pop the eyes, go to the next arena.
>>2610332nta, but I also went and edited those values>players are unlocking things too fast which ruins the sense of achievement and hurts retention>players are unlocking cosmetics instantly with CE which ruins the sense of achievement and hurts retentionHuh, releasing steady content each month, adding cosmetics via events every week or two is what keeps most playing, not exacerbated grind requirements. Also, whose sense of achievement is ruined? Mine? Yours? Genuine question. In case of these unlocks I want to play around while having a full scope of wargear ready to choose from. I still play the game I just don't participate in meeting requirements out the ass. I think you should've just mentioned retention, then again good luck hooking normies up on 250 absolute matches + 1000 siege waves to get 2 new capes and a bunch of rehashed iron halos (not all of them even).>add new cosmetics to most dedicated players that require a lot of grindingMost dedicated players get to unlock two (2!) capes (which are a neat addition mind you) and copied halos. a Golly what a way to reward their dedication. I'm all for grind when the rewards reflect the amount of time and effort spent on unlocking them.Not a bad bait, I appreciate your effort. Made me reply.
>>2610408I'm afraid you misunderstood the format. It's not supposed to make you feel bad for cheating in the capes. The text is meant to show what saber is thinking, and it's supposed to make fun of their close-sightedness and being unable to relate to the playerbase. Cheers.
What if I'm a gameplay-oriented person and I'm content with just using the easily unlockable cosmetics, what is Saber's plan to retain my presence?
>>2610408>I'm all for grind when the rewards reflect the amount of time and effort spent on unlocking them.This. They dropped the ball with ordeals cosmetics. I get they want to make people play more but the price tag should come with a nice 'shiny' cosmetic attached to it. I'm not surprised Brothers resort to modifying the numbers. How many hours are those all cosmetic ordeals worth in total, around 250? Insane. Oh and>add capes to the game but don't let people change colorsWe're back to coloring tabards era....
>>2610426I see. The whole day must be getting to me if I didn't catch that. No hard feelings Brother, I wanted to get it out anyway. Didn't mean to come off combative.
>>2610429You get maybe two missions every 3 months that you only play a couple times because Inferno/Decap are the only two worth looping for XP grinding purposes
>>2610408Based truth nuker.>>2610429I'm sure Saber rep would tell you you're having fun in the game the wrong way, Bro. Playing dress up and making your Dudes look cool is 40k's bread and butter.
>>2610437it's okay, brother, I could have phrased it better. I'm just an esl clown making hasty image macros while pretending to work from home.
Addicted to loyalists implied to originate from traitor legions like a cat on nip.
Saber has zero excuse not to add a MKV or MKVI chest when the Carcharodons still use these in the modern era. In fact, they're the best excuse to add any pre-Primaris suits to the game. They use fucking MKIII.
EVADEAWAYFROMMYFIRINGLANESAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>2610562Maybe you should aim better my friend
>this big plasma shot will put the majoris/extremis into a finisher state, which will give me ammo, restore my armor and give me invul frames!"not so fast, brother"*jumps in front of you the moment you release the charge**fires his peashooter at a random enemy that's not an immediate threat*>lose 90% HP, but manage to put the extremis in my face into a finisher state so I can recover*notices this and immediately kill moves it while you were exiting heavy stance*
I don't understand how anybody can be a Custodes fan. Every instance I've read or watched of them makes them out to be gigantic faggot assholes. They're not even the entertaining kind of douche like the Marines Malevolent, they're just really big children with a temper to match. They throw tantrums at the littlest shit.
>>2610661It's actually very simple. To play your first game of 40k with a typical* army you have to spend $2,000 upfront. With custodes $500 is enough.* there are also "horde" armies where you need to spend even more
>>2607193Also having a shitload of guardsman constantly makes Chaos a fuckton easier because the humble lasgun still minces normal people. IE Cultists.
>>2610674>2k $What do you consider a typical army?
I want to level techmarine, why does the game keep throwing me in lobbies with techmarines already in them?
>>2610661They have pretty varied personalities though asshole is pretty much the default. There are a number of stories where a custodes is the most human person in the room though.Vychellan, for example, found a wounded normal that had information the bananas needed, and after getting their answers he scooped her up and declared that if they couldn't even save a single woman, then protecting the Emperor and his realm was a pipe dream. He also thought it was fucking hilarious when a normal called the custodes tribune a total asshole.
>>2610844It's a popular class, but I honestly never had this issue levelling him. Normally, it shouldn't put you into these games. Try going back to the main menu and back in again, maybe the matchmaking's fucked for you.
I fucking love the setpieces in this area, the whole mission is just great, I want more Avarax operations
>be me>Jon Astartes>the chapter serfs just put my power armor on>rip a mad fart in the thunderhawk>have to do the whole mission with swamp ass
>>2611069I wish we got to see the guardsmen actually use their equipment. There are over 5 billion trillion abandoned heavy stubbers, bolters and basilisk pieces, their crews preferring their lasguns.
>>2611375I mean,there's these guys doing... their best?
>>2611401Huh, I never noticed. Nice.
Reminder that the Raptors actually don't have an official Primaris aesthetic in regards to the approved miniatures, and everything you see these days is all fan headcanon. So what Saber settles on will likely have been cross-referenced multiple times with GW as their official look going forward.
>>2611452They did a decent job on the Space Sharks stuff so I'm not worried.
>>2611540Mod or leak?
>>2611540Looks like a>ay dawg we heard you like helmets so we put a helmet on your helmet
>>2611452We can expect something like pic related, capes, roman numerals for kneepads plus camos, multiple tacticool addons I hope at least
>tfw you're a Lamenter playerI shall persevere... or perish, Brothers.At least the helmet from their set is pretty much Survivor's Helmet 2.0. Neat.
>>2611571It's a mod sadly. But a very well done one. It was never released in public tho. Anyway it just goes to show how much you can do in terms of cosmetics. Shame GW have stick up their asses about 'muh primaris' (I know they opened the kits a bit but still) and Saber's modellers are held back by both the IP holder and retarded management.
>>2611607It's criminal they are holding some of the pieces behind phobos/gravis/tacticus variants.
>>2611574I hope they don't delay the Raptors Pack too much, I want to make my green bois justice (and put some of that on other chapters too)
>>2611642I wanted to use the new Space Wolves helmet, the wolf head pauldron and that specific chest piece for a bulwark, but of course it's limited to phobos armor
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>>2611607modders do in days what devs take months to doshocking i know
At least you're not a FistFists suckFists stinkFists are the worst
When it's your turn to get fucking carried.I sucked so much meatball ass it was unreal.
>>2611816>Fists suckLike the EC that were beaten by fists?>Fists stinkLike the DG that were beaten by fists?>Fists are the worstLike the IW that were beaten by fists?Beaten by facts, logic, skill, and fortified takes
>>2611816Ok Iron Loser, go cry to your daddy, I heard he stopped hiding in his room after 10 thousand years
>>2611593I really shouldn't be giving saber more money but i'm maining flesh tearers and the armor with bloodstains from feeding looks fucking awesome
I just don't get balanced weapons. It might be the inherent muscle memory of using fencing for so long, but>miss the parry by 0.00001 seconds>you eat a shitton of damage>multiple attacks incoming?>just eat the damageThe extra damage is amazing but man, on Absolute I am finding myself on my ass far too often.
>just found out that loadouts during operations use their own individual ammuntition stockpileFucking campaign mechanics teach the player otherwise, well thanks game after dozens of hours, also no tips on this whatsoever
>>2612615>also no tips on this whatsoeverI keep saying that the devs can somewhat alleviate the loading screen problem by having some fucking tips where they actually explain their game.I'm pretty sure there is no explanation in-game differentiating block vs. fencing and no in-game explanation for Adrenaline Surge either.
>>2612445Yeah, that's exactly why people bitch about Balance. And I'm no exception. The extra damage and cleave looks appealing on paper because this IS a horde shooter but in practice I think the only Balance weapons worth taking at all are the Power Fist because you can pro-actively charge at a Majoris group and all that damage won't get cucked by the minoris in the way, and the Power Gladius specifically on Sniper just because you can cut a Terminus in half with the optimal damage setup, it eats Carnifexes and the Hive Tyrant for breakfast.Otherwise there legitimately is too many downsides to Balance weapons to justify their use.>Need to parry a meaty majoris attack on wakeup after a knockdown? Good luck and enjoy the 5 attacks hitting your partial that you now can't cancel out of.>Game input reads to make every enemy on screen strike at you to try and clip recovery frames so when you go to parry that whip warrior and a fucking gaunt comes up and smacks your early window you get formally invited to eat shit.>Buh buh but block and argent edge have late windows. My brother under the God Emperor, that is nice because that's less lag to wait through if you fuck up. Getting partial Balance parries make you sit through what would be the entire rest of the perfect window.>Buh bloc- You can rip Adrenaline for the free armor pip regardless of class. Something that can help immensely against HT and similar bosses.In my experience Fencing WILL keep you alive. And if you're a Techmarine and really want to run Omni Axe just use all the melee perks and the Relic Fencing. Trust me, you won't give a shit about the supposedly less damage when you're able to stay alive long enough for your servo gun and tarantula to take care of everything for you. Not to mention if you really want melee damage Block is right there and runs into none of the issues Balance does.
>>2612799Xenophase blade is really good but yeah the regular relic balance weapons mostly all suck
>>2612830I'm not a huge fan of the power swords so I can't speak for the Xenophase, but it has giga cleave so I can see a use case for it. But yeah, unless you're forced to use Balance, eg Heavy Plasma, I'd stay the hell away from it. You're genuinely better off learning Block weapons if you want your E-peen stroked.
AAAAVERAAGE RUN #3! LEVEL 10!
>>2613185anon if you post a code i'll glady carry your ass through a few absolutes w/sneed
>>2613185I wanted to say pretty much this >>2613247No need to subject yourself to suboptimal difficulties when a couple of runs with Brothas from the thread will yield far better results.
I kinda appreciate how old designs didn't give a damn about paining convenience and were just balls to the walls whacky (and very distinct). Wish we could get some camos akin to pic related Space Sharks.
Uhh, why are the new capes locked out of changing their colors? I thought they fixed "cloths can't have their colors changed" issue some time ago already....What the fuck?
SUBSTAINTIAL #1 IS DONE LVL 12!>>2613247>>2613276No brothers! This is the way the developers intended! Should we turn our backs on the slavs in their mudhuts who have given us so much? They endure drone strikes to give us this game and in turn we must obey. Pray for me brothers. For I only wish I could be as good as thee!
>>2613308If they wanted you to customize those capes, they wouldn't have made you grind for two different ones on every class
>>2613338SUBSTAINTIAL #2 IS DONE LVL 14!EVEN NOW I CAN FEEEL THE EXPEERIANCE FLOWING THROUGH MY COCK!
What point is the autist even trying to make? Anons that played the game from the start had to level up like this but with shit weapons and shittier conditions.
>>2613518>shittier conditionsNot quiteOld Ruthless was actually easier and more fun compared to Ruthless 6-8 months after the game's release Faggot is wasting time not realizing that levels don't matter that much but weapon tiers do
>>2613531It was easier in so far as having less shit to worry about but remember that theyve essentially been buffing everything every patch. At the start people were still figuring out the game and leveling everything. Players are far stronger now and any newfags can have a player carry their asses through the hardest difficulty.
>>2613531I think he knows. He's just going by the in-game level recommendation of each difficulty and adhering to it. He's probably the most codex compliant anon in /sm2g/.
>>2613531he very clearly knows and is mocking the slavs dumb level recommendations
>>2613554>IRL experiencing why every other Chapter is annoyed by the Ultramarines
Are they going to be adding more Chapter icons in U14? We're still missing a few pretty iconic ones.
>dash in to fight the zoan as assault>it bunkers down and spits out spores>my teammates pop them all in front of my faceebin XDDD
SUBSTAINTIAL #3 COMPLETED! LVL 16! Ruthless mode now available!>>2613518My point is that the law is beautiful ad should be respected. You should ALWAYS obey the rules when playing videogames anon. Let no one divert you otherwise!>>2613522That mother fucker better be between levels 1-4.>>2613531OF COURSE THEY MATTER YOUNG FOOL!Can you imagine the damage one can do by not having the right perks? Perks are everything in this game. They are the distance between EXPERINCE and SHITTERY. Can you imagine the pain by not picking the right team perk?You got a lot of learning to do my friend.>>2613554>>2613558Of course I know.... THE LAW!
Grey Knights could absolutely take on Custodes and I feel like people who think otherwise haven't read enough 40K schlock to see how the Custodes have been mogged by multiple lesser Chapters several times over since the Heresy began, both loyalist and traitors.>Black Templars>World Eaters>Word Bearers>Thousand Sons>Minotaurs have embarrassed the Custodes in straight combat several times
>>2613648I hope you are also taking in the proper weapon at the correct level for each mission. The codex does not falter brother
1st Ruthless done.....level 19......I must continue....I must...go on....
>>2613747So what's the point of custodes then?
>>2613767"Palace guards" was a niche that needed filling. Kind of like how Star Wars fans fellate the Emperor's Guards but they've literally never done anything besides stand there in the movies.
>>2613767In lore, they exist as the ultimate potential man that drops the ball where it matters most and now just stand around acting like they're doing something. On tabletop, they supposedly exist as one of the cheapest ways to get into the game
>>2613767They're fluff, they never do anything of importance,Asterion Moloc, Chapter Master of the Minotaurs, is physically on par with the Custodes. He's been measured up by one in a mentally hypothetical one on one like you were watching Baki, and the Custodes couldn't actually predict who would win the fight. Custodes have absurdly fast reaction times and almost psyker-levels of brief future intuition, so for a Custodes to say "I don't know who'd win" is pretty huge.People also have a good hunch that Tyberos the Red Wake of the Carcharodons could probably beat a Custodes in a one on one.
>>2613747>lesser Chapters>names several legions, the largest chapter there is, and the most glowie supported chapter there isGrey Knights jobbed to space wolves, who are less than a thousand strength. Grey knights have a fucking horrible track record against anything not explicitly chaos and are also not even a thousand dudes reliably, even completely unsupported the custodes on terra would wreck themeach GK would have to kill like 5 custodes each
>>2613835>Grey Knights jobbed to space wolvesSpace Wolves are fucking strong though. Like people seem to forget this was THE legion picked to go with the Custodes to fuck up Prospero. Bjorn the Fel-Handed fucking mogged Magnus. They beat the shit out of Angron's forces while outnumbered something stupid like a thousand to one.Space Wolves get shit, but they're without a shadow of a doubt one of the strongest founding Legions, if not the strongest.
>>2613856>but they're without a shadow of a doubt one of the strongest founding Legions>jobs to a couple warriors in the tutorial level
>>2613859Everybody has comically jobbed somewhere, but the Space Wolves have a ton of notable retard-level victories that are definite author fanwank.
>>2613856>Space Wolves get shit, but they're without a shadow of a doubt one of the strongest founding Legions, if not the strongest.
>>2613856>Space Wolves are fucking strong though. Like people seem to forget this was THE legion picked to go with the Custodes to fuck up Prospero.Beating up the numerically challenged psyker legion with BLANK SUPPORT is like bragging about beating superman with kryptonite swords. Yeah you won, but it's very clear it wasn't because of your strength or skill.>They beat the shit out of Angron's forces while outnumbered something stupid like a thousand to one.Angron was within killing blow of Russ and only stopped because his legion bailed him out. And it is the world eaters, they never fully try at anything.Im not disagreeing with you that SW are some of the strongest, but these scenarios you're giving are eh....not really worth bragging about.
Look everyone....my.....emperors...children....Isn't he......lore...full?*sobs*
>>2614015
>>2613938compared to the other foundings, space wolves are one of the stronger ones. you know, just by virtue of being anti-psyker and thinking the codex is gay.
>>2614018And here's my thousand son....Rubric marine of course....because there's no...FUCKING SORCEROR gameplay...But you c-c-can hardly notice!*cries profusely*
>>2613810>Asterion Moloc, Chapter Master of the Minotaurs, is physically on par with the CustodesDo you people get your lore from Youtube or something? The actual source you're referring to has the custodes think to himself "yeah I'd fucking body him no problem, but I'd have to wing it and I don't like winging it."
>>2614065custdoes strength is inconsistent af and some of them have died comical deaths to basic marines. a minotaur trooper, not even asterion, has buck broke a custodes over his knee bane-style.
>>2614069Okay cool, but he's paraphrasing a specific line that says the opposite of what he claims.
custodes nigger mad
>>2614069the things we do in absolute matches rival custodes strength. we are taking on several carnifexes. it took great effort for a few custodes to take one down, it makes no sense
>>2614048Thousand Sons is being saved for when Psyker gets inevitably added.
>>2614106The Ultra squad in-game is just physically analogous to Titus because otherwise the game would be all over the place in terms of experience. The accolades of Talasa, Veridian etc. won't ever be acknowledged.
>my situational awareness
>>2614106>>2614117Even disregarding that, Talasa and Veridian are still doing insane shit all the time. They’ve killed a Hive Tyrant, Trygon, a Mutalith Vortex Beast, two Tyranid Primes, a Helldrake, and an insane amount of Chaos and Tyranid enemies as just three man squads. Every mission they’ve on is vitally important, and they haven’t failed even once. They’re genuinely more impressive than Titus at this point.
>>2614431top zozzle
>>2614435it takes several eldar to hunt one lictor and we face 4 at once with a horde of other bioforms up our ass.>lictors hunt alonetop kek>>2614438>full health bar>armor boost...
>>2614435Titus solo'd half a waaagh, a warboss, multiple bloodletters, a chaos lord, and a carnifexhe 3 manned 4 more carnifexes, a neurothrope, at least half a dozen chaos terminators, a helbrute, and a sorcerer lord while a lord of change fucked with him plus whatever shit he did in the animation that have not watched
>>2614431I look like this and I do this>fighting meatballs>end up cornering myself>get ripped apart
>>2614446He almost died to that Carnifex.
>>2614431mfwanyway, what ping? the ground pound should have stunned them. Must have been silly from assault's perspective.
>Siege Hard>Join game>Wave 3>Forced to quit to get currency >Try finding a new game>Get put back into the game you just quit >Rinse and repeat for 10 minutes HOW DO YOU DESIGN A GAME THIS BADLY
>>2614472That's because he was a wee Firstborn at the time. The game pretty much implies through the Campaign that the only reason Titus lost was because he wasn't a Primaris at the time.
>>2614576Gay.
>>2613767>>2613747>>2614069You're comparing completely different tools. Its like comparing assassinations to battles.
>>2614576firstborns are cooler
>>2613344>add more capes to the game>sike! can't edit them comradeI'm gonna say the N word Brothers....
>>2613308Because the entire progression and DLC system was not thought out at all, just like most of SM2. They're winging it and have no clue what to make progression and what to make DLC.
>>2614576Oh no! Anyway,
>>2613308there never was any "issue" to be fixed. Every triangle of a model can either have a fixed color/texture, or be marked as customizable. If you don't tell your graphic designer to make the new piece of armor customizable he will not make it customizable.
>>2613338>>2613443>>2613185PLAY ABSOLUTE RIGHT FUCKING NOW DUDE AND STOP POSTING ABOUT LOW DIFFICULTIES
>>2614632Oh he's just having a laugh. Besides, it's very in-character for a Fist to be tremendously autistic.
>>2614635I WANT EVERY BOLTER WE HAVE TO FIRE ON THIS DORK BOASTING ABOUT HIS LOW DIFFICULTY WINS, BAIT OR NOT. MODS KILL THIS FUCKER RIGHT NOW
>>2613762>>2613648NIGGA EAT YO DOOKIE RATIONS I WILL PERSONALLY ALLOW YOU TO BE SODOMIZED IN ABSOLUTE SHOULD I EVER SEE YOUR IMPERIAL BUTT PIRATE ASS
>>2614636>>2614638
So I got the first stack of the 3 kills with one headshot ordealI have yet to play sniper since the updateI got it with my heavy plasma pistol
>>2614641SHUT DA FUCK UP NOOB GO BAND FOR BAND WITH ME IN ABSOLUTE OR HARD STRATAGEMS SEE WHAT HAPPENS
>>2614661lets do it
qrd on what's going on? I skipped the minimal win screens discussion yesterday and I no longer understand who's trolling whom. Unironically I would love if people posted ruthless and lethal codes more often.
>>2614718You need to grow as a man and get in those Absolute lobbies. It's where the majority of unlocks are. This is a fashion game for Ken-chads.
>>2614721I have grown as a man but all I unlocked was arthrisis, carpal tunnel syndrome and increased reaction time.
>>2614656lmao, it is of great coding comrade
>>2614728Get a gamepad if you're on PC. I play Absolute all the time on a controller and win 70-80% of the time presuming my teammates aren't worse than bots. I resorted to this because not even the Keychron M5 could aid my wrist problems.
>>2614718>some Anons complain about people in their absolutes who don't have the right perk/are too low level>Anon here takes this to the logical extreme and only plays the difficulty recommended for his level by the game>this triggers some other Anons because it's ridiculously ineffective to level this way>others enjoy itI always do this unironically when I start a new game. Once I'm comfy with the mechanics, I wing it though. It always annoys one of my frens who just wants to jump in at one of the hardest difficulties immediately. I can't help it, as the other Anon implies, duty is its own reward. Kant had a point.
Perfect dodge a Zoan's beam but still get hit. I really hope they fix all the dogshit hitboxes for SM3 but I have 0 hope.
Who the fuck's emblem is this? The Astartes Ambivalent? Bro this is barely even close.
>>2614830It's not even their logo in 11th edition, no excuses.
>>2614830
Both of us taken out from full HP to 1 Salvo (permastunned). Third guy dead more than alive throughout the game.
>>2614112Ha ha yeah! Sorcerer/librarian! Of course that's going to be...a thing.... just like.... apothecary.....Any day now.....
>>2614828saber must believe it's fair considering how they fixed the carnifex charge hurtbox (even though it could have been easily avoided by dodging into the carni) but kept that one
Las Fusil goes bzzzzzzt
>>2614848>Of course that's going to be...a thing.... just like.... apothecary.....if saber ends up adding a chaplain instead or some other useless class after foreshadowing the apothecary for over a year now I'm going to scream the n word.
GIA5JGrab my hand Brother, we have some xenos to kill and capes to grind
>>2614857>if saber ends up adding a chaplain instead or some other useless class after foreshadowing the apothecary for over a year now I'm going to scream the n word.Im going to take this time to remind you that while there are BEAUTIFUL singular relic skins for>Night lords>World eaters>Black legion >Alpha legion>Death guard >Iron warriors >Absolutely nothing for the techmarine skin because fuck you.Demonstrating that yes they can totally have chaos gameplay if they wanted. They have forgotten the most chaosy chaos legion to ever chaos: Word bearers. How the fuck do you completely forget about word bearers when making chaos? How dare you attempt to replace them, the original heretics, the possession obsession, the betrayers of calth, the villains of 30k if not 40k, with astral claw punks? That makes me genuinely mad. If they offered me say, a master of possession skin, to go with the chaplain skin. I would welcome the class with open arms, but I know better. They're going to make a placeholder ASTRAL FUCKING CLAWS skin. Fuck it! It's an ultramarine who had a really bad day!This game is supposed to be about dressing up kens, but fails at that so badly I question even playing anymore
>>2614873>they can totally have chaos gameplay if they wantedNot to defend Saber, I'm the last dude to to that, but the fact that we don't have chaos ops or any PvE customization of that kind is entirely on GW. They forbade them from doing chaos ops or having chaos customization in operations.Saber CM said in February or March that if it was up to them we'd have chaos PvE ops or at least ability to make chaos themed Dudes.
>>2614885What the fuck is GW's problem?
>>2614901They're hyper autistic about their property to the point they break the lore because they forget about the exceptions within the lore.>NOBODY USES OLD ARMOR ANYMORE IT'S ALL PRIMARIS>Oh whoops we forgot about the Red Scorpions who love MkIII, and the Carcharodons who love MkV
>>2614901They're British
>>2614865sector?
>>2614912they are a publicly traded company so it's more like (((British)))
>>2614885GW holding good game designs hostage.Saber holding potential game hostage.There's just no winning with this franchise.
>>2614908>>2614912Yeah but what's up with no wanting Chaos ops? That seems odd, even for them. You can play as Chaos on the tabletop. You can play Chaos in multiplayer. In other games, you can play Chaos in singleplayer. Why not here?
>>2614920I always found this funnyThey're sitting on top of a gold mine, but they do everything in their power to just own the chuds instead
I don't think there's anything more miserable than fighting a Neuro and a whole bunch of Zoans with the minus ranged damage mod, and there's a lot of miserable shit in this game.
>>2614885>Look up the reasons for GW red lighting>"Erm you see we have to reflect the hecking lore. You can't have a world eater with a sniper rifle chud! You CAN have him run around grappling things and sidekicking his enemies armed with nothing but a combat knife. Or death guard using shields, or nightlords not having power claws, but a fucking thunder hammer. Loreful. Also you can have multiple individuals of multiple legions and chapters ( many of which are either custom or incorrectly customized) all fight together in a 8v8 death match looooooreful"Who's the biggest bullshiter? The brit or the slav?
>>2615052I'll be honest, it's kind of immerson breaking that I'm doing operations with a wild assortment of chapters when clearly we're supposed to be blueberries. But whatever, I'm not autistic.In any case, yeah, if that's possible, then tying classes to chaos legions (e.g. Khornate berserker, Death Guard heavy) is also possible.
>knock back immunity perks stackHeavy is literally god tier
Deathwatch is the best option for SM3's campaign and operations. Not only does it narratively free up having different Chapters coming together, it also removes any and all barriers to older armor types and custom stylings. The Deathwatch is still filled to the brim with veteran firstborns who haven't gone Primaris yet.Let people choose from multiple voices loosely based on the loyalist legions, and avoid having them involved in overly specific mission dialogue. Basically just copy Darktide's rules for VA. This means new missions being added doesn't require bringing back every single VA.
>>2615091>it's kind of immersion breaking that I'm doing operations with a wild assortment of chapters when clearly we're supposed to be blueberriesVoice packs were supposed to amend this "little" inconsistency but we all know how terribly Saber went about making those. Personally, I can also gloss over having different chapters with me, it's not a dealbreaker. Chaos in ops would've been jarring, but honestly? I wouldn't mind it. Why care SO much to the point of outright banning use of specific chapters (i.e. chaos)? It's a fucking game not TT, so we should be given a lot more leeway. Btw, I heard it somewhere after SM2 launched that the original intention was to make it a Deathwatch game and have Teetus command his own squad - a'la Prologue mission. It would kinda fall in line with a Talasa and Veridian squads having Dudes with very distinct personalities almost corresponding with specific chapters. What could've been I guess.
>>2615133Yeah it's been pointed out but Decimus is blatantly a Space Wolf (even says "howls of victory" on Decapitation), and Straban is blatantly an Iron Hand. Scipius was probably Raven Guard.Vespasius weirdly more resembles a Word Bearer than any other Legion. He's more devoted to scripture than Quartus and waxes poetical in combat. The dude acts through and through like a son of Lorgar.
>>2615146deep
Priority Targeting + Expert Timing or Concentrated Fire? I feel like the big bois, where the auspex is most useful, move too much for Concentrated Fire to be really good.
>>2615133>>2615146>Chapters are monocultural entities with no varianceYou guys are reaching pretty hard. Guilliman himself has always had a mean temper and a taste for getting his hands dirty, and even before he was found the Ultramarines were known as the War-Born and were recruited from the tribes and nations that fought against the Emperor the hardest. Their entire shtick was heightened levels of aggression and a pathological need to work as a group. They were literally Space Wolves before the Space Wolves were Space Wolves, and all Guilliman did was teach them how to read.
>>2615231>Chapters are monocultural entities with no varianceFor the most part, yeah they are. You'll find outliers, but there's a reason every single Ultramarine is disgusted by the Mortifactors despite the fact they're the closest culturally to the pre-Rowboat Ultras.
>>2597182Wallanon, I come with another update requestUltramarine #10 has once again been reassigned, now serving with the 8th company.Big pic: https://files.catbox.moe/u7lzw1.png
>>2615339Received.
>>2615221You only use the max auspex if you're gunning farther than wave 20+ and it barely works because of what you literally said.
>put on the Intravenous 2 OSTOh yeah. It's time to kill xenos.
>>2614576>dueling the 'fex just fine>scripted loss>mfwGames used to give you achievements for winning the unwinnable fights in story modes too.
I think it's over for me. Back to 1k doritoes and all the inconveniences of the game like the dogshit matchmaking, loading and broken perks every update outweighs the fun. Hope U14 is at least quality checked.
>Sniper has an entire wardrobe of cloaks>Reuse none of them in the grind unlocks
>>2615707I like how the farther you go the bigger the cloaks get. the greatest sniper has the biggest cloak.
>>2615716>The greatest Scipius is just all cloak, no visible limbs
>>2615739going blankie mode *heals CHP with purification perk for the 12th time*
>>2615716>primaris cloaks
Honestly, Nidders are the bigger bastards. Yes, Chaos has some annoying cunts, but:-Spores-Biovore because of spores and all its other bullshit-Zoanthropes with their shielding-Shotgunners with their incessant sidestepping and their refusal to stop shotgunning even when you're in melee-Thorncunts covering everything in poison
>>2615809also tyranids don't laugh >>2597255
>>2614610what tool is this?
>>2615766Never not referring to cameleocloak as blankie mode now.
What oculus helmet do you think will come with the Raptors pack considering the Blood Angels and Imperial Fists pack have these two covered? Because it's gonna be some kind of scope helmet.
Did you guys get the 100 doritos from doing Purgation 300k times as a community?
>>2615809Don't get me wrong nids have their pain points too but the amount of shit on your screen from chaos and the annoyance of everything makes it very unfun.
>>2615809I'll take Nids over Chaosniggers any time.
>>2616061We might get another scoped beakie since they're Raven Guard successors, and they are fond of jury rigging that armor type specifically.
>>2616061TWO enhanced eyelenses at once
>>2616317
when patch 14
>>2616539PTS will be announced probably on the 25th since that's the last Thursday of this month, actual update won't be until like mid July.
>>2616539Middle of July I guess. We MIGHT get some info on PTS in the upcoming community update. Hopefully they'll give us a good look at Raptors goodies.
>>2616322acheran the animal
>>2616322CAPTTPAC
>>2616322>>2616061Raptors cosmetic dataminedBrothers, I have acheived PEAK TACTICALNESS
>>2616755my humble las:
>>2616768whoops
>>2616755>Let me try these nightmare vision oculi>Brother, it looks exactly the same
QJHYWI need one euro
>>2615809>>2616109>>2616118I'm curious, what class do you main? As a Heavy I consider nids to be the tougher foes
>>2616891remove the first apostrophe
How do tyranids taste like?
>>2616928it's either "how do tyranids taste" or "what do tyranids taste like", right?
>>2616944>what do tyranids taste likeI've been thinking about this version before I made my post, yeaht. actual ESL (euro)
>>2616983why aren't you in my squad?
>>2616989I don't want to boot up the game because it's going to heat up my room even more
KILL ALL BLACK TEMPLARSEAT ALL BLACK TEMPLARS
>>2616755we need to go deeper
>>2616891I don't main anything. But as Heavy, a lot of what's annoying about nids you can deal well with because you're a strong ranged class. And warriors are easier to parry than meatballs.
>>2616928>>2616944https://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/british-grammar/how-is-or-what-is-like
>>2617209Leandros...
well it was pretty cozy
CRUSH MY COCK WITH A ROCK I MUST
>>2617197It's those lingering AOE toxic pods that annoy me more than anything. It's fine if I have like 2 or 3 around me, no problem, I just move out of the area or stomp, but when those fuckers spam the entire room with it and place them back at the same rate I'm getting rid of them I just lose my shit
>>2616790
>>2617630jej
>Helbrute and Terminator wall stagger me three fucking times in a rowThis is why I despise Chaos. The run was brainless up until that slip, and that's the problem, it's nothing or assrape with these fuckers, there's no middle ground.
>>2617722Yeah, Power Axe was a sleeper weapon for me for a long time. A fine alternative to Power Sword. Basado, Brother. Keep it up.
>>2616891I play assault mostly which is why i usually tend to beeline it for zoans/neuros and biovores
>>2617722Balanced PA couldn't have done this.
Argent Edge exists to groom you into using Block.
>>2617800
he then went on to shill is tranny faggot discord
>>2617782Curious. The assaults in my games seem to seek out bunched up gants instead. I get it, dive bombing into a pile of them is one of the few honest joys in the 41st millenium, but the actual enemy, brother...
>>2617845See, in my game for whatever reason, that first warrior would have hit and staggered me. Then the rest of the gaunts would have finished me off as I tried to roll away.I WANT to make balanced work, but it just refuses to.
>>2617859truly profound
>>2617897i only use balanced on assault since defensively jetpack dodging is so rewarding anyways
>>2617877
>>2617877Nowadays im mostly running wings of flame ground pound slamming can sometimes be unreliable and not very helpful against flying niggers
Just did my first Absolute, brothers. Inferno with Tactical. Didn't go down, held my own, but my randoms definitely knew what they were doing. Hard stratagems and sieges soon.
CYTY4A couple Absolutes for the road, Brothers
>>2618142I'll be in 30 something minutes, Brother. I'll join then if you're still running ops.
>>2618155I'll do one first then
>>2618085the game is easy once you have memorized every enemy attack animation in the game
2nd ruthless run....lvl ..*cough*..21....>>2613753Anon that sounds unnecessary and autistic. Th difficulty levels clearly state that only certain LEVELS are recommended for certain difficulties. While I commend your desire for regulations we can't go around making arbitrary rules. That would be annoying.>>2614632>>2614661NEVER FOUL TRAITOR! I WILL NEVER PLAY YOUR DIFFICULTY NOT RECCOMENDED FOR ME! I...*ugh* will endure.....I will not *cough* submit...>>2614636*pant* *pant* If you would kill a brother for being loyal...*heavy breathing*..so be it...*spit*I....I...can......do....this......
>>2618142expired
>>2618142Z3A93New code
>>2618269Full
>>2618338The Emperor's finest
3rd ruthless run....lvl....23Throne what have I done? This time wasted, this GRIND..... Iv'e had such deep love of regulation and rules that...I did not consider myself....to have....fun...In my adherence to a dev that I fear answers my prayers not I have lost my soul....Perhaps they were right...I should just do an absolute. I could do it..... What's one little number.
SO WILLING TO TURN YOUR BACK ON YOUR DEVELOPER AND BELIEFS I SEE LITTLE FIST? YOU DISAPOINT ME!
>>2618562WHAT? WHO'S THERE? LEAVE ME ALONE! The grind....It broke me...I have not the will.
>>2618575IT'S ME! THE SPIRIT OF YOUR PRIMARCH PROGENITOR! YOU LEFT ME DISAPPOINTED SON! NOW GO BACK THERE AND POST CODES TO SHOW YOUR COUSINS TRUE MIGHT OF YOUR CHAPTER!
>>2618600I'm also fortifying this thread.
>>2618575TIS I, LEANDROS, ANGEL OF THE LAW. WHEN I TURNED TITUS INTO THE INQUISITION FOR PETTY BULLSHIT REASONS I WAS MADE CHAPLAIN! WHEN I RAKED HIM OVER THE COALS FOR NO REASON AGAIN THE EMPEROR HIMSELF CAME TO ME AND ASCEN ME TO BE ONE OF HIS ANGELS!TELL ME LITTLE FIST! ARE YOU A FAGGOT?LITTLE BITCH CRY BABYMODE FAGGOT?GONNA WHINE AND CRY THAT YOU HAVE TO DO ONE MORE ABSOLUTE RUN OH POOR YOU WAWAWA!THATS WHAT YOU SOUND LIKE.OR WILL YOU ENDURE FOR YOUR SUPERDEAD FATHER? WHO IS DEAD. THE LAW DOES NOT BEND MY CHILD. NOT FOR ANYONE. SHOW THE FAGGOTS OF /sm2g/ THAT THE RECCOMENDED DIFFICULTY IS NOT TO BE IGNORED. IT IS TO BE VENERATED!NOW GO! FUFILL YOUR DESTINY!>>2618600>>2618656YOU SHUT UP. YOU'RE DEAD AND THE CODEX SAYS THAT MEANS YOU CAN'T TALK. STOP STEALING MY MOMENT.
absolute decapitation is too easy for two eurofreaks in black armor
>>2618676>ABSOLUTEMEANT TO SAY RUTHLESS FUCK!
>>2618676THIS POST IS INCREDIBLY UNINSPIRED. PLAY ABSOLUTE OR I WILL COME FROM THE IMMATERIUM TO SLAP YOU MYSELF!And post codes
>>2618676Shut up Leandros, you snitch ass BITCH
>>2618676Go back to harassing serfs, Leandros. Ain't no one got time for your bitch-ass yapping you found in a fortune-protein bar.
Second mission completed on Absolute, brothers. What a life.
>>2618854Well done brotha
>>2618854what's your class?
4th ruthless run complete....level 24...I have but one trial left.>>2618676Thank you Leandros. Surely the emperor has chosen well to put you in charge and put us on the autistic path.>>2618600>>2618656>>2618740Thank you father. Truly you are wise beyond your years. I listen to your words and obey.Now...I begin...my last ruthless op.
>>2618914Tactical, for now.
ngl you should all hold off on grinding Tactical's capes because he's getting a complete rework in U14 and you'll be bored of him by then/miss out on grinding the other classes because you'll be testing him out.
>>2619026I already got my capes for all classes, tho. The rework is just him getting more melee options apparently and maybe getting that power sword he should've had from the start
>>2619026>>2619046How about reworking Heavy to not have the most dogshit ammor recovery? That'd be nice Saber-sama.
>>2619063>ammorlol, I meant ammo
>>2619046Why would Tactical need a melee rework when he has Auspex on parry? That's literally only second to Intimidating Aura.
>>2619079He doesn't. He would need some team perk rework with secure stockpile into team-wide Emperor's Vengeance maybe, but that's it. I just want to remind everybody that this is what Saber are spending their time on - reinventing the wheel.
>>2619046>our first priority is going to be tactical class>lacks more defined "melee" build optionsSweet Emperor... as if I need further evidence they only look at this game through spreadsheet lenses, never touching actual game itself. I'd like to see dev stream where a few of them at random play Absolute runs or better yet most egregious stratagems they can conjure up.
My quest is complete. It is finished.5th ruthless. lvl 25.So let it be known brothers, if (you) wish to rank up to 25 and be worthy of playing on absolute, you MUST play3 Minimal runs3 average runs3 Substantial runs 5 Ruthless runs14 runs total.Do NOT do 2-3 hard sieges economy maxingDo NOT do 4-5 absolute runsBecause that might irritate the veterans who work hard and sweat hard. Earn your stripes, follow the devs vision, listen to the codex astartes on repeat...and prosper....as for me....Im off to go prestige again.... I have to do this 2 more times.farewell
>>2619305>that might irritate the veterans who work hard and sweat hardMeanwhile me grinding for capes, turning on crossplay just so I can get more bad players to make the game more interesting and because it increases the chance that I find an in-progress mission and get to skip some of it
The perk system in this game is fundamentally flawed because it's both extremely linear and shallow as a puddle. I don't really like Darktide, but this is a fucking perk tree.
>>2619026>because he's getting a complete rework in U14Was there something said about this?
>>2619567Yes, see >>2619046
>>2619578Interesting.I already have the red cape and I don't plan on rushing them either since Patch 14 seems to be waaaays off.
>>2619465>perk treePerk cog
>>2619612Perk Star of David
>>2619465Aren't DT perks are some amalgamation of >5% damage boost for 10 seconds when you parry a crusher on the 6th of august during an eclipse and it hasn't rained that day
>>2619680Used to be, they've gotten a lot better as time's went on. For Skitarii, the stuff that's like X seconds after Y hit is almost exclusively toughness/ability regen, so it's stuff that has to be timed anyway. Damage buffs have become a lot more directly controlled in their conditions so it's usually "do more damage after you killed a fucker for X seconds" which just loops over and over, and it's much easier to proc compared to the weapons in SM2 that have this perk because shit is made of tissue in Darktide.
>>2619465Warframe perfected the skill customization system with a near-infinite way to expand it over time without having to reinvent the system over and over but nobody wants to copy it for some damn reason.>Ten cards slots>8 generic slots>1 signature slot>1 team slot>The majority of cards can be slotted on any class>Some cards are class specific>Basically just take the existing blessings and curses and mish mash, edit and combine them in any which way to make cards>You want Astartes healing? Here's a card that activates Larraman Cells, but it reduces your armor gains>You want to be a ranged damage dealer? Here's the card that gives +100% ranged damage, but the caveat is it also reduces your parry/block window by -50% and reduces melee damage by -25%etc. etc. You can just keep adding cards like this for the game's entire lifespan.
For Alpharius.
>>2619680It's not perfect for sure, but when you add enough options and decision-making to that setup it does make for an interesting experience. Like putting aside the hyperbole, while there is a lot of "gain X bonus after Y for Z seconds", you find ways of putting them together to either support breakpoints or to trigger off the same actions or cover weaknesses and you work out a build. There's enough variation and limits that you can't easily work out an optimal build and that you can create slightly suboptimal alternative builds that are still good enough to play.Meanwhile SM2 is much simpler, and then has a bunch of perks that are just entirely useless on top. It's too easy to just quickly know exactly what the best option in a slot is and if you can't it's probably because all three perks are so useless that it doesn't really matter.It sure does suck to compare, especially when DT used to have the same boring system and then reworked it (a feat that I doubt SM2's devs can or will even try to pull off).
Combat Knife finishers are extremely satisfyingIt's like cutting through a tomato with a knife which has a perfect edge
having an inner fire vanguard is so awesome as bulwark
thoughts on the heroic axe? its a -25% damage debuff, but i find i do kill a lot of enemies just be blocking on bulwark so i could take the power sweep and use it somewhere else. its awkward to use though since it usually puts you out of range of a leap attack
>>2619382playing with shitters and carrying them is the most satisfying thing ever I dont care they get points to their capes and level up...honey I really dont. you get to spectate me shitting on the terminus and adds and you WILL watch me kill them all
>>2620683once did that with a terminus in the finale of infernoeven hit the button and extraction landed but i turned the fuck around and started ground pounding that neurothrope
>>2620065i hate the sfx, for the longest time i thought my headphones are fried
>>2620216>Shitty Fencing damage.>But.>Giga cleave and on Block so Adrenaline can carry.>You can carry the backstep with you.Honestly I use it as an off choice for my Vanguard. Stack Adrenaline and let it rip into a group of Minoris and kill all of them and fully restore your armor.
>>2620840It's fun on Assault too because you can double block into ground pound into backstep for retard damage.
>>2619465Oh, is that what all the classes' skill trees look like now in DT?
>>2620683>>2620726We finally get our recognition, brothers...
If the Battle Barge testing arena can't get the devs to functionally save Chaos then I don't know what can.>Tactical>Set every spawn to max, and one of each type of Extremis, no bosses>Soulreaper in the backline behind the giga-horde, who I have zero opportunity to shoot or deal with, proceeds to minigun me to death over and over>Can't dodge away from the minigun because I'm stuck parrying/evading the endless Spawn wombo combosIt takes two seconds of testing to see this is horrible to play against.
>>2621404Working as intended then
>>2621404Very rarely is there no cover available at all. The game is also not intended to be played solo. Honestly, Anon, just play something more casual at this point.
>>2621451Insisting that shit design is the same thing as good difficulty is getting boring.
>>2621451>Very rarely is there no cover available at all.every arena is wide open and you're lucky to have pillars to hide behind. disregard that many many ranged attacks go through cover.
>>2614856New player to SM2, and I've been playing nothing but sniper. Which variant of laser gun are you supposed to use? I've been playing with fast charge just because it feels playable + ammo on weapon perks to get as much back with prestige perk
>>2621506I was using exactly that, with the right perks the rate of fire version hits the same damage spots but it shoots much faster, you can really mulch zoans and neuros with it
>haven't played the map with the dark tomb much so its layout is kinda hazy>switched to medium-long range loadout before entering the tomb, thinking the platform stage is coming up
>Ballistic Engine Hard>Chaos spawn>Half health>No gun strikesYeah, how about no?
>can gun strike with exhausted ammo reservesmust be the Emperor's doing
>>2621404An obvious problem with this game is that the developers clearly haven't PLAYED a BamHam, Shadows of Mordor, or Insomniac Spider-Man game despite the fact they're trying to ape those mechanics.Enemies will never ever multi-attack you in those games the way they do in this. They always attack with one big heavy strike, and alternate these attacks between one another, almost like a rhythm game where it's dodge, attack, attack, dodge, parry, counter, attack, attack etc. and half the fun is keeping the chain going for as long as possible without being hit. Ranged enemies also can't shoot you through the crowds, ranged enemies are always abysmal in melee combat and slow instead of constantly evading.
>>2621529>switching loadouts
>>2621451>The game is also not intended to be played soloThe game is not intended to play past ruthless and that's because a few devs only played this difficulty during the game's development so 80% of what's in the game is not designed with highest difficulties in mind. Those work despite the changes and additions not because of them. What that one anon suggested in this thread about having devs play live on stream would be a great way to definitively prove they have no understanding of their "endgame".
>>2621553>The game is not intended to play past ruthlessthe guy that designed the token system must be rolling in his cubicle about absolute difficulty
>>2621553Absolute is not that bad, now some stratagems, those can be absolute dogwater
>>2621551I am going to keep you in suspense playing heavy melta through the entire reliquary up until the last checkpoint.
>>2621559Excellent, I like a brother who doesn't shy away from a special challenge!
>>2621557Yeah, the token system was clearly never designed for this many enemies, nor Chaos Spawn.
>>2621487>>2621491>>2621553Ok, look, I'm not saying there aren't any issues. But the training area is not the way to highlight them. There shouldn't be cover penetration, there should be more cover available, ranged enemies shouldn't just keep spamming ranged in CQC, and yes, enemies shouldn't just be able to fire through their own ranks without doing friendly fire. Either other enemies block the shots or they go through them but hurt them too.
>>2621553>>2621557>is token system even real?
>>2621568It wasn't designed for this.On release, when a boss spawned in Ops, it would never be accompanied with a wave of enemies, never. This is a post-release balance change that was never accounted for with the token system. I'll put it this way, the bosses aren't even considered within the token system, and attack regardless of if three enemies are already attacking you or not.
>>2621568fucking hell...
>>2621568This perfectly encapsulates a lot of ops these days and it could't be more obvious Saber never touch gameplay, because an afternoon session in operations/stratagems would give any designer a pause.
Any cape grind gaymes?
>>2621575>>2621579Let me play avocado dialphone for a second here:Even with all of this, a lot of people still breeze through Absolute and even Hard stratagems and sieges are not much of a problem for these brothers. Do we really need to balance this out? Like, yes, it's broken, but maybe that doesn't really matter that much?
>>2621632You breeze through Absolute right up until the moment something out of your control just decides to fuck you. One of the worst offenders that continues to exist is being staggered against a wall, which has a recovery window that may as well be measured in aeons. It genuinely takes your dude like two whole seconds to recover, and you're not immune to anything during this, AND you can be re-staggered against the wall in a loop.
>>2621596Post a code.
>>2621632This game and difficulty is a fucked situation.They've locked themselves out of higher numbers of enemies because of performance limitations of consoles (and PCs that are more than a few years old), but I don't think it would really do much at this point if they could because the extra enemies will mostly stare and do nothing. The devs like to increase the individual enemy power in favour of the enemy but we're already way past the point of slapping rocks with wet noodles while we ourselves get deleted in two hits.They COULD try to add more challenging movesets but that's easier said than done, and we've seen the results of their attempts (chaos spawn that are fine individually but overwhelm in numbers due to design flaws). The devs are either not able to or unwilling to add fair but difficult attack patterns.So the end result is a game that, 99% of the time, is easy and memorized combat, but then every now and then you get hit with one of the many combos that just kill you no save (e.g. carnifex and an extremis forcing you against a wall and then attacking you faster than you can stop them, soulreapers fucking you while you're busy making a horde back off, a neurothrope putting you in an undodgeable situation as soon as any given attack coincindes with one of its blasts in the wrong way, (computer) bugs eating your attempts to fight back, and many more).The game would need a complete rework to truly challenge its best players in a fair way. Until then, RNG is the only thing that can truly fuck you, and increasing or decreasing the frequency with which that happens will only affect how frustrated the players are and not how skilled they have to be.This is also why cheese strategies are the only ones that truly affect your winrate much. Fix all the BS stuff and I'll (albeit very slowly) clear absolute runs with a rusty fencing spoon and a throwing rock; until then though, weird nonsense strats that bypass the usual combat system sound fair to me.
>>2621805>They've locked themselves out of higher numbers of enemies because of performance limitations of consoles (and PCs that are more than a few years old), but I don't think it would really do much at this point if they could because the extra enemies will mostly stare and do nothing.It's weird to me that modern horde shooters/hack n slash games will literally choose hyper realistic graphics over something less demanding and more stylish. Would it be so bad if a 40K game like Space Marine leaned more into a stylistic approach akin to a graphic novel?
>>2621843I mean, SM2 is an absolutely fantastic looking game and I'm glad we got a rendition of W40k like this. But yeah...a horde shooter that runs into enemy count limitations so soon is not a good example of how it's done. That also applies to the fact that in horde shooters, the hordes aren't normally this fucking resilient. As you guys suggest, there seems to be an irresolvable incongruence at the heart of the game that really comes out once you push the system harder.
>>2621843Yes because good graphics for dress-up and sick-ass animations are the only things that make SM2 truly worth playing
>>2621856Stylish dress-up and cel-shaded/graphic novel visuals are not independent of one another.
>>2621856all this stuff is still doable if the game looked like XIII or JSRF. If anything it'd be more exaggerated.
im starting to like the heroic axe on bulwark over the block axe. use the wider power sweep perk really make it feel better, and the bit of extra speed is pretty nice. feels like it takes the same amount of time to kill majors and extremis
>>2621856even the walking animations are good, the way the torso and legs animate with the terrain
>>2621930Sprint animation was better in SM1 along with several weightier executes.
>>2621930>>2621946Yeah, sprinting in SM1 make you felt like a fucking force of nature. You didn't sprint, you stomped the ground into submission. Its one of the first thing i've said when we had the first gameplay trailer for SM2, the sprinting looks like shit.
>>2621951The sprinting in SM1 is likely what the Astartes dude copies, it's a full force rhino charge.Honestly, possible a good chance after the Secret Level stuff that SM3 is gonna have a dedicated shoulder barge move.
>>2621951I liked that animation too. What is also interesting is that they had the melee weapon holstered in SM1 whereas in SM2 they removed the feature before premiere. Very odd since it's working perfectly if you enable it.
I still think SM1 was a better game. You felt strong and the guns felt strong.
>>2622001Proof that they had a working feature with holstered chainsword. Again, it's possible to turn it on by means of mods (yeah I know, but the option is there buried in the files).
>>2622001>>2622029I believe they removed it due to performance constraints and basically "penny pinching" everything they could muster. Again, I feel like a visual focus on stylization and performance over epic realism really should be where SM3 goes forward. When you have to start making weapons disappear to save as much framerate as possible, you've entered a comical level of tech debt.
>>2622033>I believe they removed it due to performance constraints and basically "penny pinching" everything they could muster.That could very well have been the case. I mean visually SM2 looks fantastic, which is even more tangible if you load up 4K texture pack they released. Everything looks crisp. Even a lot of execution animations are meaty and satisfying (disk niggers in particular are cathartic execute).But there's way too many particles that put a strain even on beefiest of systems. Like you said, the tech debt is palpable once you push the engine. And as horde shooters go, you don't want that.
>>26220854k textures makes my shit stutter on a 4090.
>>2622093They're very VRAM hungry, but my performance wasn't hampered much on my rig.t. 5090 user
>>2622107Vram isn't even pushed to max. It just stutters. Many people had that problem and the only way to make it go away is uninstalling the pack, as far as i can tell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZtNU-4yqtItl;dw you're a kosher retard goy and don't deserve better
>>2622126>modern devs are retards using UE5 crutches to make their games look """""good""""" while not even looking as good/running way worse than older gamesWe know anon, we know.
What kind of hardware are you running Brothers? Post your specs and favorite chapters you like to dress your dudes as. I'll start>4070Ti>5800x3d>32GB RAMI usually play as Ultramarines, Omega Marines, Marines Malevolent, Exorcists or Lamenters.
>>2622145>4090>7950x3d>64GBFor me, its Lamenters or Blood Ravens.
>>2622118Huh, I don't think I've ever had any stuttering. I'm gonna have to check it next time I load in.
>>26221457800x3d409064gb ram blud rehvans
>>2622145>3080Ti>5900x>64GBI generally run Raptors, but I occasionally go with Black Templars on Bulwark/Tac/Heavy.
>>2622145>4070S>i5-10400>32GBDeathwatch and Taurans.And yes, my CPU is a bottleneck, but SM2 is the only game I ran into which has issues with it since I've bought it so I'm still not upgrading.
>>2622145>4070>7600>32gbfor my raven guard
>try my first weekly hard strat with randos>out of 5 games, only once make it past the first open area after the churchI'm levelling sniper because nobody is taking care of zoans and biovores. What weapon do I use? Las? Bolt snoiper?
>>2622178Las Fusil, BSR is trash and the heroic is trash unless you are 1337 haxxor autoaimer
>>2622182>unless you are 1337 haxxor autoaimerjust click the heads dude.
>>2622145>5090>9800x3d>64GBMy Dudes are largely Raptors, but I play as Grey Knights on one or two classes. Or at least doing my best to considering limited options for them.
>>2622190Good luck hitting chaos heads.
>29 damage from a headshot on the heroic hbpno wonder bolters suck so much they do so little damage
>>2622196I can hit chaos heads with my HBP, I should be fine on snoiper. I used to play FPS a lot. The enemies in this game mostly stand still or run at you, that's ez compared to the adhd tracking you need in most FPS nowadays.
>>2622145Old ass 3080ti that starts protesting like crazy without DLSS saving it, this thing is a fucking radiator. Hate this card, shadow of my experience with the 1070ti, but I needed a cheap and dirty upgrade because that was on its way out. Otherwise it's an i5 13th gen and 64GB of VRAM before the spike happened.
>>2622178ammo las fusiltake the rate of fire and headshot perks, there's also at least 1-2 ammo perks with that setupmake sure to equip the sniper's las fusil perkyou'll oneshot every majoris with cloak + shoot + the +75% shooting while cloaked perkshoot and kill a minoris every 15 seconds with your pistol, you can use the las fusil to cleave through a bunch of minoris and get your ammo back but you still need to shoot and kill a minoris every 15 seconds with your pistoluse the heroic heavy bolt pistol to regain chp fast and nuke summoners instantly
>>2621568>attempt to gunstrike the executable enemy because it's quicker and usually safer than executing even though they added a window of safety after an execute (they actually didn't)>get assraped so fast and hard you're scrambling and put in floor jailGenuinely why is the game like this? It almost feels like Helldivers levels of coding meant to fuck the player over.
After some quick experimentation, it seems like framegen + 4k pack makes my game stutter. I tried to play a bit without framegen and i did not notice such strong stutters anymore.
>>2613787>spoilerThe noobtrap goes in that the infantry and bikes go for a lot of points, but until this year, the reliance on Forge World models designed for 30k leaves players with only Land Raiders and Astartes Contemptors, both of who have loadouts that work fine but still aren't even allowed to use a fraction of the options their kits offer. Sisters of Silence are anemic and overall character variety in the army is ass, but that's true in both games and presumably already paying the price of having everyone already be TEQ+.Earlier this year, most of the good shit is now in plastic, so it alleviates having to deal with resin and of course Forge World. But I wouldn't put a lot of confidence in their future if mostly because current GW also wants more strict segregation with game systems and model ranges. And if all of the 30k stuff is Legendsâ„¢ while 40k doesn't push out equivalent replacements, then Custodes in the latter might as well be a footnote in Imperial Agents. Granted, I wouldn't wish that on anyone; what a waste of potential that idea was and it even nearly killed the fucking Deathwatch! On the other hand, this also might be what some people want since their presence on the tabletop is constantly questioned.Ultimately, it's playing the one guy who thinks himself clever in trying to save money on GW plastic, dodging Primaris, or whatever, when he'd be happier collecting an army that's been around for much longer than a niche one if he does get into it.
QZ694Anyone for a Hard Stratagem, in this scorching heat?
>>2622599>"Community expectations crushed by Dmitry Grigorenko" - oil on canvas colorized , c. 2026
>>26225782/3
>>2622578Can't insert the code with cross play off so you gotta spend 3 minutes reloading the title screen and back into the game. Very cool.
>>2622578incoming
>>2621639>being staggered against a wallnever happened
>sniper and tac goes down instantly when Zoan spawns
>>2622716>being staggered against a wall>never happened
>>2622787monkey language
>>2622756>4 of them>the 2 in sight are shieldedYAMERO
>>2622807this
>>2622807>mfw
>>2622787Boss that has virtually no range weak point, huge fuck-off melee aoes and unstaggerable combos so you can't counter. Who the fuck designed this boss.
>>2622807The dumbest shit. The shielding on the Zoans is just ass in general. And while we're at it, block on Warriors negating virtually all damage is fucking stupid.
>>2622182>>2622244Ugh, levelling Las Fusil is ass so far. I barely do any damage, but that's just low-tier weapons on higher difficulties, I suppose. I feel like I'm doing something wrong though, how did I played Sniper correctly? I'm supposed to kill ranged assholes and fliers, right? Do I just melee/sidearm everything else?
>>2622930you use las against hordes with the perk that gives u ammo if u kill 2 things with one beam. use cloak to do more damage and heal yourself with corresponding perks. use las against everything and you need to first prestige perk of earning ammo from sidearm headshots to do really good
>>2622948the knife is useful between parries and when you really dont want to use ammo against a boss or a warrior
>>2622948and use the shoulder bash on gaunts to get easy gunstrikes and executions
>>2622930This is how I build my las. You should be cloaking to initiate and mostly aim ranged warriors / CSM since melee warriors have higher resist. This is fire rate btw, which lets you mow down priority targets fast. I also use ammo HBP, which is what you want to refill ammo and still deals decent damage up close. You obviously want to use las all the time (eg up close) but you need to conserve ammo when extremis spawns.Minoris, throw a frag and cloak or spam heavy attacks.Carni/Helbrute you want to aim their heads if you can/have ammo, else parry spam or shadowstep with the knife.
>>2623020here's my build, as a sniper main I find it most comfortable, combined with beta ophelian liberation variant it dragged me through many absolutes without teammates.I agree with you on the sidearm choice and terminus strategy
>>2622807bonus>the unshielded ones are stuck in the texture and can't be shot from any angle
>>2623182I swear as soon as I switched to the second zoan it gained a shield from the second one below
>>2623255>IF player performs less than suboptimally>tell him to eat shit causes them to have a planet-scale sperg out about canonicityOne of the few situations in this game I truly recall fondly
>>2623306Well, I messed that post up. Time to hit the sack.
>>2623255Well yeah stupid Fists will always eat shitFists love eating shit
>>2623255>the brown thirst
just had some bullshit where nidder warrior were attacking the guy beside me so non of my parrys went through but i still got hit by collateral damage
Why we can't see contested health and armor in more detail for team mates is anyone's guess.
>>2623643idk bro, just buy the cosmetics and everything will be alright
>>2623643Saber just wants everyone to spam E
>>2623669I could more freely spam E if I knew I'm not cucking a brother out of regaining 3/4ths of their health bar.
>>2622145>3080TII bought a fucjing 5070TI for christmas last year but it failed on me and if I can't get it RMA'd I'm just getting a new rig because I need a whole new mobo anyway.I've been enjoying the Blood Angels and their successors for a while now and specifically the Knights of the Chalice because I'm relatively new to 40k and they added the Chalice heraldry this patch so why not justify black trim? I'm tempted to swap to Lamenters but yellow with yellow trim instead of gold doesn't feel great. I need to post dudes sometime.
>>2622145>3900X>7800XT>64GB RAM>Blood Ravens>Ultramarines
>>2622145>4080 Super>7800X3D>32 GBI guess it would be the Raven dudes (I can't even remember their name, the ones with Corax as their primarch) and the Salamanders, but I haven't bought any cosmetics, so it's just the Blueberries for now. I'm really confused why the Salamanders got the Sniper as their special class cosmetic. They're known for burning the shit out of everything rather than marksman stuff, no?
More testing done>burn pyreblaster (with kraken rounds abuse) does lower dps than direct damage pyreblaster. Same for pyrecannon>hyperarmor perks stack and stacking them allows you to face tank almost every attack without getting launched, extremely strong with high chp recovery weapons
>>2624672Did they not fix kraken rounds applying to non bolt weapons?
>>2624736Next patch will fix it and break something else.
>>2624672>burn pyreblaster (with kraken rounds abuse) does lower dps than direct damage pyreblaster. Same for pyrecannonHow did you determine this?
>>2624906Battle simulator and my own experience when leveling the weapons. The last burning perk is a dps loss.
>>2622145>4060>5800x>32GB RAMMortifactors
>>2624981I meant in more concrete terms. How did you compare the two? What exactly did you do?
XUQP6I need one euro
>>2625078>spawn boss>hit from the sides or back to avoid headshot (acuity) for consistency>be within 10m for the damage perk>attack until overheat for direct damage build or regular burn build>swap to bolt weapon the moment the burn ticks for kraken build >monitor the dps meterWithout the kraken bug, the burn build is substantially weaker.
>>2625191Thanks Anon, will also test
>>2625219Please do and report back. If I'm correct then guide makers and r*dditors are literal mouth breathers. And I'm a newfag
does anyone want to do a normal siege in like 1.5-2 hours? i need to make food first
>>2622001yeah, its a little stiffer with the short strides but i can see how its in service to trying to sell>1000lb man and armor trading all grace for urgencyrealistically the longer, more leaned forward pace is what a marine would probably use, the extra weight and size doesn't stop larger predators and mid-sized herbivores from still having decent gallops where their feet clearly leave the ground but having that kind of poise would make them feel more big cattish and not giant stompy elephant
>>2623550And that is how the Celestial Lions were born
>>2625182nobody came...
>>2625737It is what it is.
>>2625737Sorry bro i'm sexting a bitch
>>2625737I'm not playing past Ruthless
Decided to pick up Tactical, what primary should I start investing in?
>>2625869Depends on what classes you plan on playing after. I prefer accuracy Bolt Rifle and Pyre personally
>>2625842why not? its fun. you can get fucked into a corner
>>2625890>what classes you plan on playing afterAssault or Bulwark, so it doesn't matter
>>2625906Carbine and/or Melta if you ever intend to touch Vanguard, Carbine and/or Stalker if you ever intend to touch Sniper, Plasma and/or Bolt Rifle and/or HBR if you ever intend to touch Techmarine. Heavy has HBR, but you'd be going out of your way to make Heavy worse if you use it. Functionally it doesn't matter because Tactical can squeeze out extra damage out of everything with auspex parry
>>2625970melta feels so much worse to use than heavy melta, does it even come close to being similar performance?
>>2626000It exists almost exclusively to delete minoris so you can melee majoris
>>2626003that feels so bad lol
>>2625898am NAfag but i'll gladly join you anonwould join even the AUSfags as well if i stayed up long enough to ever meet them
What compels dumb niggers to eat relics like PEZ in siege
>>2626211I'm fucking livid I was Bulwark with rez Banner and was able to save them everytime and as soon as I got close then pop the fucking thing I can't tell if it a bit but it happened multiple times today with different people
>>2626137still up?
>>2626253yes brother
>>26262556HH7M
>>2626273expired
>>2626273my apologies brother, my entire fucking PC crashed just as I was about to fire the last shot. maybe it's for the best for now, thanks for the games
>>2626504it's sad that it happened
>>2626504>>2626506rip at least we managed to get it done! gg
Carried a level 1 through the hard siege weekly by accident. They really nerfed the absolute shit out of the first 15 waves.
>>2626211>PEZkek, are PEZ still around? I always found them kinda mid as a candy, but the dispensers were a real upgrade.
>>2626615when did they do that?
Glossy/matte options for existing paints have been datamined. They were cut prior to release, but have turned back up in the files with new strings and icons.
>>2627097>might be able to finally have shoulder trims that are actually the same colour as the shoulder pads for chapters with monocolour shoulder pads>after only 2 yearsEMPEROR
>>2625253Here are my results. It's not an exact science because the dmg display in the training area is just not precise enough, but overall, I come to a similar conclusion as you (see notes in pic related).Maybe build makers have more detailed values available to them that make the results swing more towards burn build.
>>2627210I'm a slut for matte because it looks like the paints on the miniatures. If I can get matte Death World Green for my Raptors, I'll coom.
>>2627233Better image, cut off the headers and forgot to add test subject.
EJ6HIAbsolute grind, EU sector
>>2627479incoming
it has started raining. praise the emperor
>>2627479full
Any more Brothas up for some cape grind or chill absolutes?
