Fiery But Mostly A Peaceful Deployment Edition>Hotfix 13.2 patch notes:https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/409-hotfix-13-2-patch-notes>Hotfix 13.1 patch notes:https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/400-hotfix-13-1-patch-notes>Update 13.0 patch notes:https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/395-patch-notes-13-0>June Community updatehttps://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/420-june-community-update>Updated Year 2 Roadmap:https://i.imgur.com/p9UAyjJ.jpeg>Where to get the game:https://www.focus-entmt.com/en/games/warhammer-40000-space-marine-2>Lore Stuff:https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Pagehttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page>For jolly cooperation with your battle brothers (Can also post codes for jolly coop/PvP. Edit Squad -> Invite Menu):https://steamcommunity.com/groups/sm2general>Workaround with matchmaking (not finding players, only 2/3):Back out to the main menu and re-enter battle barge.>Workaround with matchmaking (defaults to waiting for players instead of looking for games)Queue for siege mode, leave the lobby and re-queue for operations.>Datasheet showing hidden difficulty modifiers for each difficulty (for easier damage reference):https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1kVvYgDBoAan98W3IjAM6ERdq-QfkCsaVvXKF5g_Q9sU/htmlview>Spreadsheet useful for damage calculation:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HzX5LzOD8NZyOTV-BUyL8kWoLEpt-skM/>Recommended prestige perks:https://i.imgur.com/vHSeEDt.jpeg>/sm2g/ Dude Wall - Compilation of Dudes:https://dudewall.github.io/dude-wall/>/sm2g/ Phantom Links Chapter Lore:https://rentry.org/ChroniclesofPhantomLinks>Other useful links:https://pastebin.com/VZ0ryCNBPreviously on the Battle-Barge: >>2641959
>July 8 - Fall of AtreusNo Delays - Enemy health is continuously increased with mission duration up to a limit (think hard siege mode wave 20+ at the worst)Coordinated Elimination - Enhanced enemies spawn periodically and must be killed with focused fire from multiple squad membersIntelligence Lapse - The enemy faction that does not usually appear spawns insteadShockwave Plating - Nearby explosions restore armour>July 15 - ObeliskWarp Storm - A psychic storm periodically hitsSquad Unity - When you do not maintain close proximity to squad members, armour and contested health restoration are disabledSharpshooter - Ranged damage at ranges greater than 10 meters is increased by 75%>July 22 - TerminationAvenger - Last brother standing temporarily gains a significant increase to attack and defensePosthumous Proliferation - Slain enemies spawn Spores or Chaos skulls (depending on faction)Mine Field - Spore mines spawn periodically and travel to playersFatal Contamination - Corruption and Intoxication cause instant incapacitation, but their build-up takes 50% longer>July 29 - Ballistic EngineStrike Out - Gun Strike cannot be usedHyperopia - Ranged damage at ranges less than 10 metres is reduced by 75%Sharpshooter - Ranged damage at ranges greater than 10 meters is increased by 75%
Realistically, how many years away is SM3?
i want more gameplay contenti don't care about capes
>>2689924Depends how much of a graphical overhaul they plan on doing.That and how much they want to revamp melee combat.I really don't see SM3 needing to look that much better so they could honestly port over a ton of enemies for its PvE stuff and fiddle with more of the mechanics.
>Patch 14 is shaping up to release in September, bleeding into anniversary time>Despite saying last week that Patch 14 will be a smaller patch and that July won't even get a community updateWhat a fucking shitshow
>>2689927one thing for sure is that it will run even worse than SM2 regardless
>>2689924SM2 took 5 years and its barren when it came outThey can delay SM3 to like 2031-2032 instead of vatnik piecemeal updates
>>2689929>Announce Patch 14 July/August>Syke! Nyet komrades.What are the odds September anniversary update isn't as grand and they planned so they needed more content? And what better way to pad it out than to grab not yet released shit and lump it together making it uber duper patch. Just a thought.
>>2689924Hoping GW reverses their mandate that lasguns need to look like dogshit by then.
>>2689921imagine fatal contamination on purgation
is it just me or do console players take an obnoxious amount of time to load in to a lobby
>>2689924about 130
>>2689961>purgationJUST. GET. ON. THE. FUCKING. GROUND.meleeing a sorcerers though
>>2689948Probably makes sense because we don't even fucking know what the updated Patch 15 looks like. The old Patch 15 was fucking barebones as shit so your point has even more validity that they had fucking NOTHING for the anniversary because Purgation + Terminator Sorcerer is basically the last significant PvE update they had planned according to both versions of the roadmap, barring stuff they haven't explicitly shared about Year 3.
It's retarded that Heavy's primaries don't work properly without being in heavy stance. Just put the stance perks on the class itself and have his weapons function like regular weapons. Too complicated for the gopnigs I guess
>normal weekly strategem easy as piss>oh okay hard won't be too bad eithe->it's absolute difficultywtf
>>2690000It's been like that the entire time
>>2690000It's worse than Absolute, in fact. Hard is Absolute+. But again, Vatniks are too stupid to explain or name things properly in this game, so between that and the dorito reward, you get a lot of randos in the hard strat who are nowhere near levelled or good enough to be there.
>Mutalith Vortex BeastFUCK OFFFFFF
>*mutaliths all over your beast then i vortex all over*
>major fag just camps corners with the instakill weapon heavy class>everyone puts on their tryhard pants and plays around him with jump packs/prenading/avoiding corners>win the next gamekek
>>2690058shoulda have been release today >:^(
>>2690058She test on my public till I?
>>2689850Nah, Techmarine stays busted on Absolute. Enemies don't get more health beyond Ruthless, only gunstrikes are reduced in damage. So in that sense, Ruthless and Absolute are the same. But yeah, there are a lot more enemies on Absolute, so the servo falls off a little bit because it can't always get everything.
where is white raven guard sniper anon? is he safe? is he complaining about squadmates?
Is the game known to have spotty netcode? I keep getting weird ping issues in this game that I don't get anywhere else. I'm not downloading anything and my ping is at around 50 most of the time. Then at times, it'll jump to 200+ or I get short bursts of brothers and enemies jumping about. It's gotten worse in the past week.
>>2690110if you can't find him then he's doing his job right.
>>2690110Forever alone Raven Guard sniper is the only good sniper.
>>2690114The netcode is little more than vibecoding before vibecoding was a thing. I'm surprised it works at all.
I played a game the other night with a no prestige level 12 tactical. I don't think I ever saw him parry once, and I watched him die to gaunts multiple times. There are some fascinating creatures in the world
Look pretty gud!
>>2690346Looks excellent, but still gay that the Heavy Flamer isn't being buffed and also given a cosmetic.
>>2690350they probably will buff heavy flamer in pts
>>2690346Now this is podracing
Brothers! I'm going to have a wank now.
>>2690346See, now this is quality. Thank god it's primarily a dress up engine with optional ops to test out your Dude's bling
>>2690346>brand new capeNice, I won't have to buy the sniper champ for the drakeskin cape then.
>>2690439>inb4 it's gravis exclusive piece
>>2690346the fact that the absolute capes just spawn out of your neck instead of being fastened to the pauldrons is a travesty
>>2690346Finally we will be (mostly) avenged, Brothers.
>>2690449My excuse for buying the chapter pack was for the brazier and the Dark Krakens purple.
>>2690472>"dark krakens" purpleyeah, sure.
It's time to complete Vortex on Absolute. I'm coming for you, Mutalith.
i need to beat 10 more games with sniper before i get the back pack spikes and can larp as an infiltrator
I boughted buyed the Salamander Champion pack just for the cape
>>2690543Alright, we died miserably. You win, Mutalith.
>>2690000Normal = SubstantialHard = Absolute+ (hard siege mode wave 6-10 to be exact, Absolute is hard waves 1-5)
>>2690346Where did you find this?
This coming weekly is going to be really hard>Tyranids on Fall of Atreus>guaranteed Helbrute spawn in the train yard + random Tyranids>can't delay and must rush from point A to B and any delay makes the enemy tankier like in siege mode
>>2690055People that play multimelta heavy in pvp are niggers that eat bowls of spiders and fuck their own dads.>>2690058Hopefully this means we'll see the other three heroics, see what exactly all 6 do, see how the terminator sorcerer fights, see how the raptor pack looks, get new leaks for future updates, etc.
players should be able to summon sentinels (2-pack) as their own extremis unitthey can be destroyed just like any other extremis and guardsman and they're mobile enough to sprint all over the mapcost 600 gold for a 2-pack and 900 gold for a 3-pack; giving them armour upgrades cost another 500they sit below the guardsmen and come with a heavy bolter, heavy flamer, plasma cannon, lascannon, autocannon and missile launcher variant
It feels kinda good get slowly less shit at the game, I'm pretty confident doing Lethals now and only occasionally eat shit from bad parry timing or getting swarmedProbably even tackle Absolutes once I'm leveled and have all of my masteries unlocked for weapons
>>2690916You gotta remember most people who stuck with the game since release already had maxed out characters when Lethal/Absolute first came out.
>>2690923Lethal didn't feel too bad to do, I think you can probably get by on skill as long as you're not using grey weapons at level 1 From my one run in with Absolute+ I probably want as close to maxed out gear as I can get so I'm not dragging down the lobby
Threadly reminder that vatniks can't into copy/paste. Also, more left shoulder pads when?
>>2691134>I'm not saying we are never going to do it, but right now the focus is on adding new items, rather than reworking old ones.>reworking old ones>reworking>not simply switching them horizontally and correcting any potential writingsDmitry had too much vodka on that day.
>>2691167It takes like 30 seconds to mirror something in blender.
>>2691134Pretty stupid even for vatniksWhen you buy a standard ass Intercessor box you get 10 vanilla, clean-cut Spess Mehreens with a single sergeant helmet should you choose to upgrade one of themMeanwhile in SM2 all the armors are battle damaged and weathered to some degree with zero symmetry on the arms and legs...while there are a dozen Spess Mehreens hanging out just outside the main lift all clean-cut and vanilla
>>2691134there is probably just a broken telephone from dev to scrum master to product manager to people manager to hr rep to lead community manager to who ever wrote that post
>>2691450>with a single sergeant helmet should you choose to upgrade one of them
>pts>doom>relink>all tomorrowI simply have too much to do.
>>2690346>Voxcaster chestJust shitting in the mouth of Mk6 lovers who have yet to get their chest piece
>Can't play the PTS straight away because I'm in the middle of a move and I still don't have broadband, and won't till SaturdayAiiiiiiiiiieeeeee
>>2690346At this point they should do a all variants so all classes can benefit from champion packs.
I really hope that heavy cape is not just the sniper's
I really hope the new Salamanders DLC is not included in the season pass and costs twice as much as the other DLCs. HAIL THE HIVEMIND.
This is so fucking stupidIf I beat it on harder difficulty, it should be completed on lower one as wellAlso poor Scythes guy. Entire mission was easy, but at the end one of us died and me and Scythe of Emperor guy were left facing Carnifex. I jobbed, but Scythe guy carried and picked me up. He died soon after and I was left alone with Carnifex. Carnifex barely had any HP at this point anyway and dropped down somehow to that place from which Tyranid hordes arrive and which you can ignite and got bugged there doing nothing. At this moment Scythe guy panic left I think for whatever reason, I suspect wanted to save the mission and replace himself with a bot, but there was no point in doing so. I quickly used this opening to blow up Tyranids on Acherans orders and once Carnifex climbed back killed him easily.Too bad that there is no option to reinvite guy you last played with quickly. What a dumb waste of time, I pity the guy, he sacrificed himself for no reason
>>2691817EAT ALL BLACK TEMPLARS
>>2691817>Lamenters armor is a separate 20€ dlc
anybody wanna suffer through some WWZ with me, i'm tired of consoletards blasting me with friendly fire, spazzing all over the place into my firing line, and pulling zero security in every hold
>>2691880>lamenters DLC preview has what looks like a gemini watermark and gets delayed indefinitely
Please be sure to grace the handful of consoleplebs with juicy tidbits from the PTS tomorrow, particularly the heroics.And if that drakescale cape is new to the new Heavy Champ, if it's available.
>lose the ability to actually press space bar and have the dodge input activate>this happens during a carni fighti'm going to scream
Prepare for the download, Brothers.
>>2691880There was a higher res of that pic related. Anyone has it perhaps?
https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/forums/141-pts-patch-14-0/threads/50993-pts-patch-notes-14-0Dunno if this has been posted here yet
Patch notes for the PTS are up:https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/forums/141-pts-patch-14-0/threads/50993-pts-patch-notes-14-0
>>2693784>>2693779>biggest changes in PvPmeh.Auspex not affecting burn damage is kinda ass. Less damage in a damage spongy game.
>Added 6 Heroic Weapons (Thunder Hammer, Power Fist, Bolt Carbine, Melta Rifle, Power Sword, Stalker Bolt Rifle) to unlock with Accolades.>Auspex Scan no longer affects Burn damage.The power sword is gonna be OP
>>2693779>>2693784>Wargear 2.01>Robes for the Assault and Tactical classes have been added, along with tabards for the Assault class which can be earned by completing new Ordeals.Uhhh and where are capes for Bulwark excuse me?
>>2693796They should rework Auspex at this point if they're going to tip toe around the subject of piss poor damage for all weapons on account of Tac's class ability. But that would require putting more thought into the matter.
>Auspex + Burn no longer fucking annihilates everythingFair>15% range buff to PyrecannonDeserved
>>2693779>>2693784>give Tactical a flamethrower that is shockingly, actually worth using, and in a video game with piss poor ammo economy at that>nerf it lmaoWhat did Saber mean by this?
>new hammer and power fist 2nd variants>melta rifle heroicTell me how they are when it's up, brothers
Did the game need more PvP content? I'm sure all 10 players will be happy, but it's taking away already scarce manpower and resources to make pointless additions.
>>2693799Good cause melee sucks ass from when I've tried it unless youre the jump pack with the hammert. 5 hours in PvP
>>2693779>>2693784>New Feature: Weekly Rewards for Participation in PvPEarn Accolades for participating in PvP on weekly basis.How much do you want to bet they're going to drop the rewards the Weeklies give to justify this
>>2693805yeah I know right. what already should have been in the last update still only applies to two classes, or in the worst case one class. thanks, saber.
>>2693831>Did the game need more PvP content?
>>2693831The autobalance should have been a feature at launch, not almost 2 years later
>>2693779>>2693784>increased resistance cap on siege mode are they retarded
IT'S UP DOWNLOAD NOW (nothing burger)
>>2693779>>2693784>pyre now worthlessneat
>>2693784>no robes for heavyShame
>get in for iron hands. Max out techmarine >Well this game has five other classes and it would be a waste to not get a few more>Get imperial fists, blood angels, and space wolves skin, max out vanguard assault and tactical.>Seems more like work than fun. Don't really have the energy for it.>Get some skins for heavy bulwark and sniper but don't have the energy to get to prestige 4 with them.....I'm just...so .... bored....
>>2693779>6 heroics>when they only showed 3thank fuck they had me worried there for a second
>>2693779>>2693784New PvP map: Facility. Facility is one of the most compact PvP maps designed for fast-paced and intense combat. The map maximises opportunities for flanking attacks, rotations and outmaneuvering the enemy.New Feature: Weekly Rewards for Participation in PvPEarn Accolades for participating in PvP on weekly basis.New Feature: PvP Team Reshuffle. At the end of a PvP match players will be randomly reassigned to teams based on match results (experimental feature, will be turned on and off on backend).PvP bros we won
I have lots of someone else's photos but they're gonna take a while to send through. This sword sounds like they took the safest and most boring route they could have with it.
>>2693779>how do we fix tactical being absolutely busted>nerf one of his most entertaining weapons into the ground arbitrarily>and the rest? pretty sure plasma and carbine have faster terminus ttks than pyre>nofuck you
>>2693824at least it lasted a few releases. Most players didn't even experience the good melta pistol.
>>2693925They actually tried something else because I was expecting a stock AOE burn effect.Seems like it's Fencing so I'm inclined to give it a shot. Wonder if the damage is worth it though.
>>2693925>1 more damage, max 5>for one light attackain't no fuckin' way that's really the perkthis has to be some ivan mistranslation
>>2693928>entertainingI still don't have flamer and melta maxxed out, they are so boring
This is for the big axe below >>2693925. It's a block thunderhammer heroic.
>>2693937>auspex>without tactical's perks to buff itwhat even is its base damage boost
>>2693937
>>2693942you're so very fucking unique
>>2693946
>>2693943Wait, so it just looks like a bigger encarmine axe?
>>2693945sounds like it will still be op for sniper
>>2693946Nice. I hope the next heavy bolter heroic is the deathwatch combi flamer one
>>2693952I hoped Aggressors/Gravis Captain stuff would be actual weapons and not heroics eventually
Apparently you can't put the raptors pieces on phobos classes.
>>2693946And the melta rifle
dunno why whoever this is couldnt be fucked changing the colours up but whatever
>>2693960That would make heavy interesting and we can't do that
>>2693960That’s not Aggressor stuff though, it’s old Terminator weapons
The lack of greaves for raptors pack is very disappointing I gotta say. Call me a malcontent but that's one chapter that is just begging for leg cosmetics. And why aren't they equippable on PTS?
>melta fistunusable trash, entering the light stance is slow as fuck and the attack itself is a narrow beam followed by your marine just standing there like a jackass for a solid second or two instead of flowing into more light attacks. For some reason parrying with this feels borderline impossible, like they did something to the timing on balanced and forgot to tell us or slapped the timing nerf on the weapon by accident>fire swordthe buff icon for this one doesn't even show up so I have no idea when the fuck it's active, and if it even is active I can't fucking tell what it's doing because spamming down enemies with speed style light attacks is still an absolute slog>2h axethis one works exactly like described, but seeing people try to get use out of it come patch day is going to be embarrassing, because it still fundamentally is thunder hammer and therefore worthlessI don't give a shit about any of the ranged weapons.Verdict: sucks
>>2694032>>melta fist>unusable trash, entering the light stance is slow as fuck and the attack itself is a narrow beam followed by your marine just standing there like a jackass for a solid second or two instead of flowing into more light attacksThis tells me they used the code from shield bash/rush, because that's exactly what happens after doing either. Have you tried interrupting the standing animation by pressing dodge or any movement key right after? If it gets interrupted, then I'm 100% sure the attack is a reskinned shield bash
Wonder if I should shell out for the S2 pass, Raven Guard is cool and the new Salamander stuff doesn't look bad?
Space Awoogas Bulwark Champion
>>2694068The halo is cool, cape could have potential depending on the texture
These are some dumb fucking changes. I mean, the Pyreblaster is good without the auspex, but there just wasn't a reason to nerf it. On top of that, it nerfs the new heroics that have a burn function (which was probably the reason why they implemented that change). It's this retarded philosophy of restricting damage that plagues so many games.
>>2694032I couldn't help myself, I looked at the ranged weapons>stalker bolt rifleit doesn't do the thing, the thing it says it does, it doesn't>pyre carbinedo you want a carbine with horrible spread that has a gimmick secondary fire with almost no ammo? here it is, another combi weapon absolutely no one will use>meltalow dps, low horde clear melta, an absolute fucking jokeholy shit they really knocked it out of the park with this one, see you guys next update, this one's dead on arrival
Toddy is today's wordle btw
what the fuck is wordle even
this is so retarded hahaha
>>2694087great to see this is what took so long
the 2h axe on assault is lowkenuinely good, thougheverbeitI say this as a massive assault copester, thoalso it'll never work on high siege, only slam spamming works there
>raptor helmet is just a mkVII with a bionic eye>new salamander helmet's just an angrier looking mkVII with a mohawkWe're eating fucking well, mkVII enjoyers.
>>2694216I need the Mk.VII/Gravis hybrid helmet from the Armageddon box
>>2694087And it will be all part of the anniversary september update most likely! Awesome. The pyre/auspex nerfs will defnitely go long way with the remaining players....A question needs to be asked: have they lost what little mind they had?
The raptor cape's a little dissapointing. Seems to just be a reskin of the ordeal/sniper prestige capes. No scarf. No battle damage. Not even a unique texture, like the salamander and ravenguard capes.
>>2694256True, it's very low effort. But wait till you get to Raptors jump pack.
Closer look at the salamander helmet, which thankfully doesn't seem to be gravis only.
oh.
>>2694277Oh boy, default backpack but worse
>>2694259I mean, a more generic cape than the hyper specific salamander and ravenguard capes, that you can use out of the box without needing to touch absolute, is a welcome addition. It's just a shame we couldn't have gotten something more unique and fresh in the face of the current lineup of capes. The actual cape seems like it would be more appropriate being relegated to heroic store cosmetic fodder.The raptor armor seems to be pretty asset flippy in general too.
>>2694277It's horrific how they did nothing to make Raptors pack different in any way.
>>2694277>>2694316This is a bug, right?
>>2694322I don't think so, but I need to correct what I wrote in my last post. They did add the skull emblem on Raptors pack, so it IS different than base pack, lol. Good job Saber.
>>2694316>>2694330>Have a decal system in game which lets you apply decals separately from a gear>still make separate pieces of equipment with a dedicated decalthis is not the first time this happened and I still don't get it
>>2694330Is it? Is it not the same skull decal you unlock on the master crafted power pack, just without the accompanying purity seal?
>>2694337>Is it?Sorry, it was meant to be ironic. It's obviously the same model as base jump pack. They didn't even bother to add different wear and tear. I honestly can't express what I feel rn.
>>2694277>>2694316It's less than low effort, it's not even asset flip, it's the same fucking thing. If it was up to me I'd have person who greenlit this demoted to a parking ticket inspector at best. They can't just release the same asset and call it something else. Ffs...
>tabards are tied to pvp killslmao at Saber, trying to get people to play shovelware mode
>>2694343Raps should've gotten a pack that wasn't the laziest asset flip I've ever seen, and everything in the actual pack should've been dumped on the heroic store.Saber shafted raptorfags in the same patch they they're adding another salamander champion in to make up for shafting salafaggots. You can't make this shit up.
Just had a go with the melta rifle, stalker and combi carbine heroics, they're all terrible! Stalker especially was a kick in the balls for me as it's my go-to for tac and is pretty much a straight downgrade in every field at the benefit of sometimes having an auspex that may or may not benefit from your damage perks for your teammates (certainly didn't look like it did).>>2694349Can't believe there's no camos, no new greens or browns, no new legs, no new arms and they have the nuts to call it a "cosmetic pack". Absolutely disgraceful.
https://youtu.be/fqJNvFeSqAs
>>2694405The main thing I've found is that attacks like the beams have basically no connection or rhythm to their warning indicators. That gripe applies to most of his attacks but it's otherwise a nice change in difficulty to something like a helbrute.
>>2693965>slower fire rate>narrow beam>no damage increase500,000 dead vatniks simply isnt enough
New heroic power sword...whats the point?
>>2694429Fencing stats but the block stacks will totally make it a powerhouse
>all of the new heroics blow dickaight, not even going to install the ptswhat a fucking waste
Man wtf is wrong with saber the fist and the sword both suck cock. I fucking hate balanced they seriously need to remove that shit from the game.
>>2694405Hahaha that's completely aids with the laser beams. When he has his clones out, he fires in two volleys and they're going to require dodging twice in immediate succession. Good luck if there's anything else on the fucking battlefield with the retarded ticketing system. Also, you can't get close to him because there's a ton of shooting orbs around him, sorry melee classes :^)It's a good thing I bought a new game during the Steam sale.
>>2694429>the cool fire sword is Salamnders themedI mean I guess i shouldn't be surprised, it just sucks that I can't use it on my dude I fucking hate Salamanders man
Of the new melee heroics the hammer seems to be the best one. It's a block hammer that gives you stacks for clearing out trash.
>>2694429>speed
>>2690346Much better than the Blue Steel Helmet.
>>2694264Oh yeah making a world eater with that one
>>2694650Loyalist WEater segmentata arm NEVER
>Still no cape for Bulwark? I guess I have to wait for the Space wolf Champion before they give bulwark capes
>>2694650Why did he fasten his axe to his arm with a chain? Does he forget where he put it all the time? Is he stupid?
>>2694165None of those words are in the Codex Astartes
>>2694456The stalker rifle will be S tier when it works (lol)
>play low difficulty (average) to grind out grey weapons on a level 1 class>everyone here is literally fucking retarded and it's HARDER than just queueing Ruthless and being dead weightMental how fucking bad some of these people are, they're level 20-25 and they don't even have team perks and are so fucking AFK it's worse than having bots in your lobby
>>2694871>it's worse than having bots in your lobbyabsolute is like this 99% of the time
To play Devil's Advocate, at least it's a cape you don't have to grind for?
>>2694871>>2694874Lethal is the sweetspot tbqhwb.Below lethal, you get the scaredycat or ethical mouthbreathers who don't dare pick anything beyond Ruthless because they don't want to fail completely and/or drag the team down. On Absolute, you get the sociopathic mouthbreathers who only care about getting carried and wanting as much XP as possible. On Lethal, you get the occasional idiot but it's mostly fine.
>>2694405https://youtu.be/MbHz4Ex9sCs?si=J9Pd-qzfx6xs5mLM&t=141The new boss looks kinda dope ngl
>Combi-FlamerInstantly Vanguard's new best weapon. Burn the fuck out of everything and then blap the annoying ranged shit like Zoans with the gun-part.
>>2694405These new heroics might fucking suck but damn does the boss look great.
>>2694405>Boss has got a cape and a loin cloth>We still can't mix front cloths and capes togetherI shall utter the word Brothers.
>>2694405He looks cool indeed, but will be a cancer to fight. So just like TSon stuff in general. Too bad that he will rob Helbrute of spawns
>Deathwatch Fist is Balanced
>>2694950The game has always been excellent visually (aside from the customization blunders, but that's a different category). It's sad that a talented graphical department is accompanied by such a retarded gameplay department.
>>2694983It's a minor consolation but at least you can rock nice deathwatch set with it. But yeah, this heroic being balanced sucked all interest out of me.
Combi-Flamer = Salamanders Multi-Melta > Executioner's Axe >>> Deathwatch Fist >>> Shit >>> Salamanders Power SwordI've ranked the CFlamer and MMelta much higher purely because these two weapons existing vastly improves Vanguard's gameplay. He needs good Heroics so damn bad.
See a more interesting Power Sword idea is that it would remove the speed/power modes, give you one moveset, and let you actually hold your power wave/whirls to make them even stronger.
>>2695015they could have done something else thats incredibly lazy and predictable and just give it a fire AOE on power whirl it would have been better than what ever the fuck they came up with currently
>>2694999>The madmen gave Vanguard and Sniper a Flamer.>I don't even care if the ammo is shit the burn utility solves a fuckton of issues both classes have.>Sniper gets Auspex on Stalker.Oh yeah. It's Phobos time.
>>2695024or, its a block mechanic that only stacks ones, ignites the sword for a time and does slightly more damage and ignites enemies
Heroic thunder hammer. Well it's cool I guess. It doesn't really have anything over the relic block hammer. The only interesting tidbit I have noticed is that the block stack can be proc'd on the first spin and will buff the 2nd and 3rd without using it. Also proc'ing it in general is weird. I have gotten it to trigger on a single enemy so it might just be counting how many times you do the attack instead of enemies in one swing.
>>2695055Oh and these were from full charge aftershocks.Also disappointingly. With 2 block stacks the relic hammer can do and minimum charged aftershock to execute a tyranid warrior. The heroic can't.
>>2693779>>2693784>PVP team reshuffle>not separating the level 40+ players from the level 1-20 ones>not adding bots so players can grind for PvP skins, Chaos armour and levels (even if its half of the XP after level 10-15)
>nerfed Techmarine again>nerf PyreblasterKWAB
>>2694405Once again, another Soulslop bossImagine a Chaos op with double and stronger Terminus and you get two of this guy plus a massive Chaos spawn + Terminator wave
>>2694429>Fencing>the parry window is smaller>"Empower" stacksJust remove Fencing from the game instead of forcing your Fencing players to learn Block piecemeal
>>2694837So he can swing it around from the chain like Kratos.
>most players don't play chaos operations and weekliesgive them another reason not to touch them>most players use fencingintroduce fencing heroics with block timing and block mechanics>most players love the pyreblasternerf it againim baffled how much hatred these devs have for their remaining playerbase
>>2695140Fascinating. Do you think he played the games from before the DAoT?
>>2694264Hows the cape? Is it just the sniper's?
Why is the new heroic power sword Fencing? It's Block in all but name.Stupid vatniks forcing Fencing players to learn Block when Fencing players don't really care about melee at all. Also another update without greaves.
Ah, this will make a fine addition to my collection.
>MUH FLAMER MUH FLAMER>completely untouched, only nerfed auspex which changes nothing about how good it is baseJesus christ, you'd rather complain about that instead of fucking up siege mode by nerfing tech priests and further buffing enemy resistances?
>>2695155It's a green variant of Sniper's skull+aquila cape but without the annoying neck cowl that clips with helmets.
They nerfed the Techpriest but not the grenade launcher, I guess that's for the next update.No more Deep Pockets too.
>Tactical>Combi-Flamer>Heroic Plasma Pistol>Argent Edge/White Scars ChainswordLiterally no situation where you don't have an answer.
>>2695178Not the Raptors, I meant for the Salamanders.
>>2695177Nobody plays Siege except for the weekly. Priests are still fine for that purpose. DR only takes effect from beyond wave 15. Auspex not working on burn is primarily a debuff on Terminus and Extremis, but also on Majoris because of the parry auspex. It reduces Flamer damage across the board. There simply was no reason to do this; it's just another example of devs nerfing something in PvE because they're retarded cunts who hate fun.
>>2694264>>2694650Could you show this new helmet with these two colors >White scars >screaming bell
update is a big w for capechadsmassive bigly l for non-capechudsyou cannot run chaos missions anymore since the chaos sorc terminator is even more aids than the neurothrope and is 2nd to the vortex beast in terms of aids, saber ended obelisk and vox liberatis spammingalso fuck saber for adding another ordeal tab, they're going to force players to run 50 absolutes again
Yeah, the Terminator Sorcerer is once again just confirming my belief that the devs don't understand this is a horde game. You can't put a fucking Elden Ring boss in a horde game and expect it to gel well in the slightest. Souls bosses are 1v1s that require your full on attention, you don't deal with a fucking thousand ankle biters while the boss is stomping around.
>>2695210At this point they're using SM2 to audition that they can be a Soulslop dev.Games Workshop should take SM3 away from them and give it to another dev, doesn't matter who. Slavoids should stick to Stalker and Warthunder games.
>>2695210can you post a webm for those of us who don't do pts?
>>2695204>also fuck saber for adding another ordeal tab, they're going to force players to run 50 absolutes againOh, they will be even more malicious. Now, they want players to play PvP for the privilege of using tabards already existing in the game. Pic related are assault's ordeals.
>>2695249those better count backwards from game release
>>2695245Here's a full demonstration of him. Starts at 30 seconds.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqJNvFeSqAs
>>2695249>kill Terminus under 7 secondsKWABDo they playtest this? You can't farm them on Substantial because they rarely appear there
>>2695261>those better count backwards from game release
>>2695249>Kill 800 enemies with melee>In PvP
>>2695249And tactical's. Fun stuff Saber. Really nice.
>OH BOY CAN'T WAIT TO GET CAMO SKINS WITH THE RAPTOR PACK>don't get camo skins, it's just a cloth on the pauldron again>even the default Vanguard/Sniper has more doodad gear strapped to them than the new chestpiece
>Shit locked behind fucking PvP challengesGayest thing I've ever witnessed.
>>2695262thank
So does the Salamander Heavy have a cape or not.
>kill 800 PvPersI'm in a region where PvP is literally dead and I'm lucky to get another player on the lobby. After a full couple minutes it zaps me to a full lobby but my ping is 300+ and all of my shots have a 5 second delay on them but I eat shit within seconds of contact with the enemy.
>my other game just had a disastrous patch>now the SM2 patch is a flavourless nothingburger tooWhat did I do wrong
>>2695361He does.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnF441uToA4Terminator sorc execution. Kinda meh.>>2695380It's just the coop PvE life.
>>2695383Does it look better than the Sniper's?
>>2695261Brother, they don't track these. Dudes making hacks for the game confirmed that up until those ordeals no stats such as kills, finished ops etc. have ever been tracked.
>>2695407
Holy fucking shit dude I don't know what the deal with Tuesday is but I have been getting nothing but retards all day
>>2695266>>2695413fuck
>>2695249>>2695275I'm sure these requirements are just placeholders
>>2695261You know damn well they won't.
>>2695470Best time to play weeklies is literally during the first 8 hours of reset. After that the weekends. If the weekly is near impossible or too hard the best time to play are during evenings, no matter which timezone you live.For normal siege it's any time is fine but for hard siege you're best served during Fridays and Saturdays regardless of timezone. Doing siege weeklies during reset has a ton of low level shitters and retards.
But I don't WANT to fight yet another terminator and/or sorcerer I want to PLAY AS a terminator and/or sorcerer
>>2695631I am literally just doing fucking random substantials to try to grind out 25 kills on every tactical primary for the cheevo and the people who play this difficulty today are literally subhumanIt's fucking weird dude I've been playing for a while and normally players are pretty okay but today I am in some sort of fucked underhive of literally mentally retarded console children like school just let out for summer or some shitLike either I need to go back to Lethal on a class I have leveled, grind this shit on fucking MINIMAL difficulty or just call it for the day. These "people" can't even handle Substantial and I can't hard carry them with grey weapons
>Deathwatch Stalker is good (when it works)>Combi-Flamer is amazing>Everything else sucks either because it's comically broken to the point you can't see the vision, or too gimmickyThe Heroic Multi-Melta does common-tier damage, how did that even get through?
Some comfy 'lutes, eubros? :3
Anybody tested Obelisk to see if the finale has the new boss? Because honestly that mission is going straight into F-tier if that faggot is the roadblock after the whole chalice section.
>>2695694lets go
>>2695705starting up, code inc
RAJMVEUzone 'lutes
>>26957222/3
>>2695722expired, brother
Obelisk is such a fucking dogshit griefing mission, why did they even add it>shitty unfun light section>can literally be perma-stuck out of progressing the mission if a single retard won't leave the altar when they're aligned, you can just be trolled until you kick him/leave
>>2695756
>>2695762genuinelyand half the time you can't tell if they're actually an asshole or just someone who can't rotate an apple in their head
NIGGGGGGGGGERRRRRRRRRRRRR
>>2695756>>2695762I sometimes let it spin for an extra round as a jape, or to spite a speedrunning fag.
>>2695782Fighting on an incline in this game is a bitch
>>2695798>let it spin for an extra round as a jape, or to spite a speedrunning fag.they should just hotfix it so that it automatically stops and the only purpose of the altar is to spin it into position, there's literally no benefit to letting people troll
>>2695805Well, trolling is a end in itself.
>>2695674Deathwatch Stalker might very well have become the best Sniper weapon because now Sniper actually has a form of team DPS assist. You plap bosses five times with it and now everybody deals more damage.
DEATH CANNOT CLAIM WHAT STEEL ALREADY HOLDS
What class would be best for emperor's children and word bearers?
>>2695469I actually can't tell the difference
>>2695903Whoever can use a Power SwordWhoever can put the Salamander's Brazier on their backs
>>2695903Vespasius would make the best Word Bearer, pre-heresy at least.https://streamable.com/uekexh
>>2695249>>2695272>>2695310Now you fuckers are gonna play with me. It's been so lonely.
SERVANTS OF THE CORPSE EMPEROR CLAIM THE OBJECTIVE
>>2695968I'm gonna cheat these, assuming any progress has been made on resources for that.
gg bros, just two quick 'lutes for me tonightRemember to spit on Angron's grave when he dies
>>2695272YESS I AM A LEVEL 50 PVP SWEAT FINALLY I CAN STUNT ON YOU PVE ONLY HOES >>2695249Can’t wait to plasma heavy and krak spam every no skill assault that is going to try and farm these me and like 200 other guys who have played pvp consistently from launch are about to grape you guys
>>2695994What our friend here is trying to say is that PvP is fun and he's happy to have more people to play with.
>>2695968>inb4 editing the values and dropping in for 2 matches
>>2696008Not possible because the values aren't thereIf this was possible, those with Cheat Engine or has a Cheathappens sub already have capes
>argent edge trivializes the new terminuswetefek?
>>2695096>nerfed Techmarine againDid I miss something?
>>2696050Brother, we're not talking PTS here. They already do have capes. Currently on live servers that is. Once those new ordeals drop all you need is increase in one or two matches for the count for each ordeal to kick in, find the correct address, edit it in the battle-barge and you're done.
Took the heroic Multi-Melta into Average since the damage is fubar'd to the lowest tier, and it feels really good when scaled properly. The long range beam is fat as fuck so you can spaff this into crowds and still do really well.Between this and the Combi-Pyre, Vanguard went from a painful experience to finally feeling both fun and effective.
>>2696065>Once those new ordeals drop all you need is increase in one or two matches for the count for each ordeal to kick in, find the correct address, edit it in the battle-barge and you're done.Things that didn't happen
>>2696075>Things that didn't happen>hownew.ruO-ok. Anons posted steps to do just that but I guess they were lying through their teeth.
>>2696075are you retarded? Saber released a fully completed save file for WWZ and there are fully usable cheat tables, they do not give a fuck about what you do if its not in PvP or fucking with paid DLC
>>2696098>>2696111If the Cheat Engine stuff was real no one would bitch about cape grinding, it's notYou've been fooledManipulating ordeal victories isn't possible
>>2696111>fucking with paid DLCwell ackshually, even that is easily circumvented with dedicated unlockers, Brother....
>>2696066IMO the Heroic MM just made the Plasma Incinerator on Tact pointless. When it gets fixed so it actually deals Relic-tier damage, I see little reason to take the plas.>Charges faster>Over-penetrates>Wide as fuck beam>Staggers just as hard>Chews through hordes
>>2696118I know it is but that's also the stuff that saber does actually care about and will try to shutdown if they see itThey probably won't if you're not advertising it but still, the operative point is that you could link fully grinded save files and they wouldn't care
>>2696117Is it tourists hour already? I mean it's summer/vacation time and all that but it's very odd.
>>2696126The thing about DLCs for instance, is that you'd have to go out of your way to show or prove you're working the system to use content you didn't pay for access to. As you said. Without looking at someone's purchase history it'd impossible to detect an unlocker unless it becomes deprecated due to server-sided checks ( I think Paradox's games have this). But even then it can be alleviated and you can continue having DLCs without actually owning them. But I went off on a tangent.I believe there was some statement from them around sm2's release that went something long the lines: if there's no griefing or making player's life miserable in PvP matches they "wouldn't care".
>>2696066>>2696120What the fuck are you guys talking about Multi-Meltas on Vanguard? Multi-Melta is on Heavy. Vanguard has the Melta Rifle. It's a single Melta. Nothing multi about it. Sorry, but these are basics, brothers.
>>2695660>like school just let out for summer or some shitAnon...
>>2696189I don't care enough to differentiate what version of a Melta we're talking about. They're class specific.
>>2696208Then just say melta because multi-melta is specific.
So which ones should I spend my 1000 blue doritos on first?
>>2696241Melta my cheese.
>>2696246Bolt Carbine + Pyreblaster is looking like the clear winner. Like no brainer tier.
Do we know the numbers for the PvP weeklies? Like am I looking at another 200+ doritoes each week like with stratagems and siege or what? I'm about to tear through the rest of this accolades catalog.
>>2696241tacticals/vanguards multimelta is the new heavy bolter
>>2696050they do, cheating in capes happened, I did it, it just took a bit of extra effort and was really annoying to dodunno how you'll do PvP ones when you can't connect to anyone, tho
I heard the BT skellington got moved to wargear on pts. Can heavy finally equip it?
Anything about the new Siege featuring Chaos?
>they made sieges harderhuh? who the fuck asked for thiswho is out here telling them sieges were too easy
>>2696358You can do some of the kills the old school way, edit the values. Then get back in and get a few kills. Broadly speaking of course.
>>2696547You'd have to close the game to disable the anticheat bypass to be able to connect to live servers. Once you close the game the memory address for that value changes. The value you changed it to isn't saved. The only way this is going to work is if someone does some cheat engine script fuckery to sort it all out in offline mode.
>>2696558After you edit them and quit the game they stay that way next time you load up as far as I remember. That's how it worked for most values up until now.
>>2696558They probably made it to fuck with people who pissed at their grand design to have everyone grind their asses to get the same shit for all classes. It'd check out since russkies have always been vindictive fucks towards their players. Doesn't matter, you can't mix-match tabards and capes and with the former being the same assets anyway I can skip it altogether until a method comes up.
>>2696427He can.
>>2696545They're balancing around those guys that get dedicated siege crushing squads together, get up to wave 85, and upload it to jewtube.
>>2696464That's most likely gonna be patch 15. They would've said something about it by now if they were going to add that in 14.
>>2689917Is this game any fun?
>>2696675Nah but there isn't anything better.
>>2696656Fucking huge. Almost makes up for not getting tabards, thanks for posting it.
>>2696675The core combat is the entire game. There's a campaign (which is spectacular but far too short to be worth the asking price), but the vast majority of the game exists in running (and re-running, and re-running...) the 13 missions currently released. They, combined with the weapons and cosmetics to unlock, are basically an excuse for you to keep hacking, slashing, and shooting aliens for just as long as your autism requires it. There's a certain kind of person who wants to chill out, queue for a mission, and chainsaw aliens after work and this game is for them. There's another kind of person who likes to yell at the first kind of person, and we're all in this thread.So like, watch a youtube video of some gameplay and see if that looks fun. If your first thought is "ah! I'd love 300 hours of that," then this is the game for you.
>>2696675>the grind>the paywalled slop>the absolutely dogshit endgame where all of your deaths will be attributed to completely unfair no-win scenario attack spam where any input you could go with will result in you taking a hit regardlessin retrospect, no
>>2696699>>2696686is SM1 a good representation of how the game would play like or is the huge release gap between the two enough to make them barely the same game?I got it for free ages ago when it was free to keep. I mostly play darktide so I'm used to playing the same mission for hundreds of hours and I just wanted to try playing a Big Guy especially since it's pretty cheap currently.>>2696706sounds promising
>>2696686wtf is this image
>>2696718Drawn by some dude on instagram. I think its fun.
>>2693711Here you go lil Bro.
>>2696713SM1 is an example of 2011 console game slop, SM2 is an example of 2024 console game slop. They're the same but different
>>2696545me, but i never play past wave 15 lol, i just tell people that i do because one day i hope it will get me sororitas pussy
>>2696675it's "don't buy it unless it's on sale" fun, and do not buy any DLCs under any circumstances, the latest PTS patch just reinforced my stance on this game
>>2696675Lets just say, if it wasn't a 40k IP it would have bombed.
>people already don't queue chaos>now they'll bail out of quickplay chaos because a terminator sorc spawning is an instant ggis this revenge for the mile long petrol lines in russia
>>2696775>the latest PTS patch just reinforced my stance on this gameexplain am curious
>>2696789Not him, but i guess its because the devs are both incompetent fucktards and spiteful. Incompetent because of unfixed bugs, some of the new heroic weapons being total garbage, and some of the new cosmetics being gatekept behind pvp.
>>2696903>incompetent and spitefulThat’s every russian developer
>>2696926Yeah i know, i've (sadly) played quite a few russian games. Those devs are really fucking incompetent tho.
I don't understand how this batch of heroics even got made. No one stopped at any point and said "hey wait, this is dogshit," or, "you know what's funny is this one actually does nothing at all." Really?
>>2696982The power sword is the most baffling. Everyone's first thoughts when they see it involve some sort of cool effect or burn application on a power whirl or something. And yet, they chose to skip every possible niche application and just make it a worse fencing power sword? How the fuck?And then there's the power fist. They KNOW no one likes balanced, the weapon's KNOWN for how strong its charged attacks are, and yet it's a balanced light attack fart gun that rarely even squirts in the right direction in the first place.
It took them multiple updates to 'fix' Zoanthropes and Neurothropes, here they are again with a psyker boss who is another Soulsloppa boss firing multiple beams that you can't dodge and takes half your health.
>>2695249No one fucking plays PvP in Australia. 99% of the time I have 250 ping at minimum what the fuck do they expect me to do?
>GoodHeroic Stalker bolt rifleHeroic bolt carbineRemoved weapon progression in PVP, all guns are now available to everybody day 1, PVP is now ping/skill based>BadRaptors pack is bleh, you can tell they only left one guy to handle cosmeticsThe other new heroics are fucking trashTerminator Sorcerer is pure cancer and will make Chaos operations unplayableThey added the Terminator Sorcerer in the battle arena but not the other Terminus bossesMore grindy ordeals, now centered on PVP
>>2697147>Heroic Stalker bolt rifle>Goodbrother you should at least try booting up the PTS before delivering your opinion
>could have had a high damage single target rape beam as the heroic melta>get a steaming pile of shit insteadFor fucks sake.
>>2697169That’ll probably be the heroic multi melta
>>2697176I just want Vanguard to have a good single-target damage option for Chaos.
>>2697179>wanting vanguard to have good optionsDesire is the root of all suffering
>Heroic fencing power sword>but it has Block timing>also has Block charges, 5 this time compared to 2
>>2697181and love of money is the root of all evil its still nicer to be sad in a house of your own than in a parent's basemen
I know the majority of the PvP discussion has been complaints that there's rewards tied to it now but in actual PvP-related news, I think they finally killed shocks. >Blindness Radius reduced from 9 to 4 meters>Blindness Duration reduced from 1.5 to 1.1 secondsThis is, what, the third nerf they've got since launch? These are big numbers swings. Blind radius has been more than halved, to the point where blind-chucking these around corners or through doorways is no longer an option. At this point you've got to basically peg the guy with the grenade if you want to blind him and, if you do, the duration has been reduced by almost 30%, down to just over a second. I think this may finally be the patch where I stop running shocks. That being said, it does seem kind of overkill--these aren't just nerfed, these are *way* nerfed, to the point where I don't see a use-case for them any more. Additionally, a nerf to grenades is essentially a nerf to Tactical, since his class ability is to hold twice as many grenades. I think this lowers his power level significantly. If this was the only change I'd say that puts Assault solidly on top, but they nerfed him too (smaller ground pound radius, longer recharge time, and a less forgiving cursor when aiming your ground pound). I'm not sure how bad that's going to feel in real matches but it's not nothing. Bulwark also ate a pretty big nerf (his shield now only takes 2/3rds as much damage as it used to before staggering him). Vanguard got a pretty significant buff to how often he gets to use his grapnel launcher, but without the stun it once had it's still just a traversal ability and his main job will still be to climb up to a perch somewhere and force the other team to pay attention to him by firing at them. Despite a minor nerf to Heavy (kraks break his shield) he was largely untouched, as was Sniper, and I feel like they might be front-runners now. Sniper in particular was doing just fine and totally escaped the nerf bat.
one day they'll release an autogun heroic, and on that day they will finally have to answer for their crimes
if they fix and buff up the flamey sword I could see myself using it on bulwark to just fully turn my brain off and mash the melee button while occasionally parryingthat's basically already the playstyle with power axe except you have to do the power stance after every parry and your light attacks suck ass
>>2697207none of this even matters in the slightest when I'm in the same boat as >>2697136. this update is functionally useless for entire regions.
I have never PvP'd I will never PvP, I will proudly not wear my PvP cosmetics and show off my zero PvP achievements.
Am i cringe for larping as Death Company Vanguard screaming gibberish in the chat before hook into the carnifex? I can't wait for combi flamer
>>2697320>Chaplain class releaseI am sorry brother
I really hope the next class isn’t chaplain. I know the people playing it will act absolutely insufferably
I'll drop by when the next class drops out of curiosity, but for now I'm done with this steaming pile of disappointments and what-things-could've-been's. Up until now I thought no studio can rival Creative Assembly in terms of retardation, but I was proven wrong
>>2697382Creative Assembly would have made and maintained SM2 far betterIn fact, Gays Workshop should take SM3 from these stupid slavs and give CA SM3Relic devs are publicly jealous about DoW4 from a literal who Germoid studio and the reception of TW40k is getting
>>2697179It's bad because the damage is bugged. It's doing the damage of greys.
>>2695249I genuinely loathe Saber and I hope sm3 flops and they all lose their jobs
>>2697558no it's not, take it into the little combat simulator, the damage is identical to the highest tierthe problem is melta was already very low damage and only got by on big cleave and rate of fire, and the lizard melta fucks over both
I got the heroic stalker rifle to proc the effect once or twice and I've no idea how I made it happen
Fall of Atreus is not that hard as long as everyone pushes forward.It's hard at the very end, too many Warriors who have wave 25 HP.Still ate shit twice though as a Techmarine due to double Neurothrope spawns.
Mental how genuinely dogshit the Bolt Carbine is
>>2697473If they also get the guys doing models and their entire visual department then CA could very well be the ones running SM3.
>>2697304We get it you are a pussy cuck undeserving of your armor
>>2697844another studio will have to do sm3 because saber will be fleeing their country as it crumbles
I am not gonna play pvp that much even for tabards, it’s dogshit and gets boring after 2 matches
Me and this baller sniper who had the heroic bolt sniper rifle carried this non-prestiged techmarine.At the very least his turret provided a good distracting leash for the carnifex that spawned at the end.
>>2697905we get it you get mad when you die and have no test
Credit to where it's due, I don't think 40k has ever looked THIS cool in motion before.
>>2697851>>2697926Based.I'm gonna post codes for pvp match grinding come patch 14 if they keep the new pvp ordeals.
>>2698026Imagine a DLC where we fight dark elves
>>2698026ngl that's pretty sickHaving a boss that isn't Hulkbeast #49 but Astartes sized is kinda kino
>>2698071It would be nice to fight more terminators that aren’t completely bitchmade. I get they’re all dumb for lore reasons but if SM3 has us fighting Death Guard in the 500 worlds I’d like if their guys were a bit more of an event. Have the marines be closer in power to current terminators while when a termi shows up he’s The Guy
Thank you for the warning, brother!
One thing I like about PvP is that the matches are 5-10 minutes. It can be gruelling committing 40-60 minutes to do a PvE mission
>>2698115>40-60 minutes for a missionJesus, do you guys just let enemies call reinforcements?
holy fuck the nerf to assault in pvp is brutal, now he will actually take skill to play but uh wow that vanguard buff for pvp is way to much level 50 vanguard mains are going to be racking up 30+ kills in annihilation
>>2698104KEK
>>2698104warns there is nurgle
>clutching up hard enough with executions to revive both of your teammatesfeels good man
>>2698133what did they nerf?I can no longer fly and instakill? How do you kill the big multimelta guys?That was my only answer
okay but which heroics are actually worth using
>>2698168in the pts? thunderhammer and carbine
What's the point of autoshuffle when players will just quit and rejoin the stacked high level squad?
>>2698164bulwark with power fist and krak/ shock grenade deals with 99% of heavies because they dont realize the stomp doesn't stun the power fist
>Fall of AtreusThis is definitely going to suck on Hard, isn't it?
>>2698192why would they need to stun me the multimelta literally 1 shots me
>>2696675I payed 12 € and got 250 hours out of it, most of which I enjoyed. Now I'm burned out and the recent patch put the last nail in the coffin, but honestly, it was a fun ride. Devs are idiots, but which devs of a PvE game aren't? They all hate their players and put stupid artificial retention metrics above actual organic player enjoyment.
>>2696675it's a lot more fun if you're a casual to the game than if you're an actually good player like most people that use this gen. ironically when i played this on substantial and below i had tons of fun when i was living out of an RV and using a miniPC+controller. now that i actually play on absolute with a proper setup the game's problems are greatly exacerbated, and the disregard the balancing team is showing the playerbase is starting to wain on many. like the other's said it's a decent buy on sale but again, if this wasn't a 40k IP it'd likely be dead in the water...
>>2698202Ya'll just need to move forward, no one falls behindThe broken terminal part needs to get done fastIf you do it right you'll face wave 15+ Warriors in the train yard instead of wave 20-25
>no gayos>mission is freeanother easy weekly
>>2698171The thunderhammer feels like a worse version to the relic block hammer. The relic does more baseline damage but the heroic is glitchy and will sometimes give you the buff mid aftershock which will give it higher damage than the relic. However it always loses the super important breakpoint that the relic has which is 2 block stacks letting you use an uncharged aftershock to kill majoris.
>add argent edge, heroic plasma pistol>add shit heroics only good enough for skins
The Heroic Melta rifle should be a long beam with lots of ammo just like the Neo-volkite pistol but does the same damage as a regular relic Melta rifle, the idea is that its a Majoris/Extremis/Terminus murder weapon now instead of Minoris shotgun laser
>>2689917Is this game sort of like vermintide as in you select missions and go in to just blast things with a bunch of people then leave and disband?
>>2698448Having the heroic melta be more lore accurate is such an obvious and easy homerun that, given their track record, I am completely unsurprised that they did this shit instead.
>>2698471If SM2 were given to decent devs, my idea and the actual Melta rifle would just have 2 firing modes.
>>2698465Essentially, though you exit the mission into a lobby with your rando teammates and can then choose to leave the team or not.
>>2695249>center unlocks around an afterthought mode literally a percentile of remaining players even touchI shan't be playing. Maybe they need to justify their decision to make PvP before investors or sth, or perhaps they're so screwed in the head, they thought it would be fantastic to force people to play a mode just because - you know for shitz and gigglez. Vindictive vatniks, I swear.
It look like Saber are almost "tired of winning". They've been winning so much they are saying no to some big IPs to keep on working with Gee Dubs.https://www.gamesradar.com/games/action/warhammer-40-000-space-marine-2-literally-changed-everything-for-saber-interactive-tim-willits-says-the-studios-had-to-turn-down-more-offers-than-it-can-possibly-accept/
>>2698527Maybe Putin is an avid fan of the PvP and wanted more players.
>>2698533they're winning because they sided with chaos and fighting chaos is hard. the vortex beast is controlled by a dev.
>>2698533Wow, they've got fortified position now. What could possibly go wrong with that attitude?
I just played my first triple Heroic HBR hard siege game/weekly.It went so fast and all three of us had 50k ranged damage each with an equal spread of 40+ special kills. I believe 2 of us had Deep Pockets too since on wave 14 we were firing dozens of grenades in one location as opposed to just 10.
>>2698752Definitely need to nerf burn more.
>grieving my parents and immense back pain>can't play SM2 properly cause too slow from pain meds>back pain gets better>reduce meds>yay, can get back on SM2>oh neat, pts and patch notes>read patch notes>check out new terminus>check out new heroics>check out new ordeals>mfw
I just bought the game this steam sale. Seeing people's reactions to heroics, it seems you guys are retarded and spent years supporting a flawed system that let you skip progression instead of actual sidegrades, and now that you ARE getting sidegrades, you are mad.
>spent years supporting a flawed system that let you skip progression instead of actual sidegradesthe fuck is he talking about?
>>2699099Hey newfriend, everyone's fine with the existing sidegrade heroics. It's just the shitty heroics that are actual downgrades that we don't like. Now fuck off with your retarded takes over a game you know nothing about.
>>2699116>>2699135Cope
>>2699137Yes, you read that and think you understood the sentence, but you actually didn't because you don't know anything about the game. I would say keep outing yourself further but you've volunteered that you're new. The issue is just that you think you know everything already.
>>2699137Nice self-own. Shows how much you know. Anyway, just play the game and educate yourself. You'll be much better for it.
>>2699137That grind is in reference to getting relic tier weapons, which in actuality is entirely trivial and about 5-6 runs on substantial difficulty most of the time. Relic weapons are what heroic weapons are a sidegrade to, Everything before that is quite literally just filler and will inevitably be disregarded. Yes, even by (you).
>>2699099we completed the grind ages before the first heroic even came out, but it's cool to know that newfags are getting enraged by the grind, I figured that would happen
>>2699146It's more like 10-15 on substantial starting from white weapons. The overall xp track between the tiers will also often end up being just short of like a couple of hundred XP, so you have to do another op before you can progress to the next tier because extra XP doesn't carry over. It's pretty gay, but yeah, it gets progressively easier the more weapons you have unlocked. You can easily complete Lethal mission with just a relic sidearm most of the time.
>>2699137You have no idea what's even being talked about.Heroic variants of weapons all come with Relic-tier stats. Meaning you get a massive power boost for grinding as a new player even if the Heroic itself has a dogshit perk.
>>2699137>>2699184>they bought the game on sale>they googled "TIPS AND TRICKS FOR SM2" the second they sat down to play it>they immediately became enraged at something no one who bought it at launch has ever experiencedlol it's funny how warped people's perspectives can be
Having unlocked all the red capes for all the classes gives me peace of mind, now I can just play what I want and slowly unlock the black ones when it happens
>>2695968I like PvP so I'm happy too
Imagine being a level 40+ PvP playerYou've grinded for a bajillion hours (progression slows down to a snail's crawl after level 9) to unlock weaponsYou've killed thousands of players during this period since PvP never had a XP boost event unlike OperationsThe PTS removed all weapon unlock progression and you're now going to kill 800 more players to get...tabards lmao
>>2697207desu Assault deserved nerfBut shocks may actually be dead now yeahI actually can't wait to try PvP
>>2699417That's a really good change. When I bought this game a week ago I immediately hated how weapon unlocks were, I wanted to try them all to see what I liked
>>2699417I was going to kill 800+ more players anyway, cause pvp is fun. Especially after they improve the shit out of it with more maps and team shuffling. I don't exactly agree that they should be locking stuff like this behind pvp, but I'm not personally worried about not being able to unlock them.So quit coping, get good, and join the post patch 14 pvp codes, why don't you?
Played multiplayer pvp for a few matches today and damn this game is boring. I cant imagine sinking so much time into this slugfest of a game for all those cosmetics. Kek
>>2699458Many of the later weapons aren't even as good as the long grind to unlock them implies.Power axes are arguable downgrades from the chainsword you start with with certain classes. The bolt carbine's pretty much a straight downgrade from the instigator on vanguard, even though you unlock it like 25 levels later than the instigator.
>>2699417As a level 40+ PvP player removing gear progression and adding team shuffling are unambiguously good changes and I'm just happy I have cosmetics I can unlock in this mode now. It used to be that playing PvP was actively deciding to take a break from progression because all the unlocks were related to operations. Now when I hop into a multiplayer lobby I actually get stuff for it.I remember when SM1 came out I played the campaign and then jumped into the PvP (SM1 was nothing but PvP at launch, although they did eventually add a horde mode). Loved it, 100%ed it, got the sequel, played nothing but PvP for a while. I only ever started playing operations because I wanted the sniper prestige cape and you literally could not get it in PvP, but I enjoy them well enough now. Maybe people will have a similar experience. If not, it's just tabards, I'm sure PvE players can deal with no tabards in the same way that PvP players have dealt with no battle-damaged helmet, bonding stud shoulder, tyrannic war pieces, prestige cosmetics, and capes. Either way I'm happy the mode is finally getting a little bit of love.
>>2699434>>2697207How do you kill the heavy melta guys if assault is nerfed? Did they consider that at all
>>2699505It's simple but not that boring to me just barebones. Kinda similar to chivalry 2 in how it plays out.They should have added a PvPvE mode where there are random tyranids in the mix
>>2699143>>2699145>>2699146>>2699167>>2699184>>2699192But you are proving my point? You can skip straight to Heroics without having to grind. Relic SHOULD be the best, because that's what entails grind. Instead, you fags are whining that heroics are not best in slot.
>>2699545Nigger, no one here didn't already have relics. We had them for a fucking year before heroics even started to come out. The grind has never factored into heroics for us. Their entire value is being fun new toys. The new toys are not fun. End of fucking discussion.
>>2699532You don't. Even in the current (pre-nerf) game, heavies with energy weapons are the only guys who can consistently live through getting ganked by an assault. When I'm playing assault, the first time in a match that a heavy shotguns me with a melta or blows me up with a heavy plasma incinerator I just make a mental note not to ground-pound heavies for the rest of that game. Don't be afraid to take pot-shots at him to make him trigger his shield and turn around to pay attention to you, but you simply don't have a way to reliably 1v1 him. You've gotta rely on your team-mates to kill energy weapon heavies, or just swap classes if he's single-handedly raping the lobby or something and nobody's taking care of him.
>>2699591I see. It sucks both the classes I like are getting nerfed I only like to use melee on bulwark and assault :(
Just an FYI for people looking forward to the Raptors Cosmetic Pack, there are goodies in other DLCs that would fit thematically and help expand your drip. If you have the pennies to spend.>Salamander Sniper ChampionPic related.>Raven Guard Cosmetic PackCanonically the Raptors aren't opposed to using Raven Guard-themed insignias or mementos involving birds or feathers. Also the MkVI.>Blood Angels Cosmetic PackClean Primaris helm with right-eye scope.>Imperial Fist Cosmetic PackClean Primaris helm with left-eye scope and antenna.
I'm going to use the raptor parts on my blood ravens and there's not a damn thing you can do to stop me
Is this game worth it? Seven campaign missions and 13 side missions seem extremely light in content
>>2699648They're like an hour each. There's also siege modes and pvp even if you hate pvp it's fun for like 10 hours minimum imo
>>2699648At 70% off I'd say yes. Full price no.
>>2699655>>2699648This. It's on sale very much worth it now. I pirated it on release and the campaign is worth $20 easily. Bought the game when it went on sale so I could try the online stuff and wasnt disappointed.
>>2699545No you can't, retard, you have to grind blue doritos for heroicsand nobody wants heroics to be objective upgrades they want them to be good enough to actually be worth using for the alternate playstyle
Can't stop admiring the Terminator Sorc's animations.
>>2699808This just makes me want to play a sorcerer
>>2699545Okay, I'm going to spoonfeed you retarded fucking idiot here. In most cases, heroic is not best in slot. That only applies to a couple of heroics, and even then it's normally situational, down to preference, or just not significant enough to make it the only viable choice - hence, they're basically sidegrades. Like, the HBR is probably the most likely BIS example and the only place it's necessary and outshadows everything else is in hard siege, and even there you can comfortably get to wave 15 with other relic weapons. In many cases, a Relic weapon is the best choice. Re: grind: First, you can't just immediately buy heroics. You need to grind the blue triangles for them. Doesn't take very long to get your first heroic, but still. Second, you still have to grind the respective weapons xp track out because you want the fucking perk points. They massively increase a weapon's power. Having the heroic version unlocked just makes this a bit easier because it has relic tier stats and so you can more easily complete higher difficulty missions for more xp. That is literally the only benefit they bestow on grinding - so instead of 10-15 substantial missions, maybe you can grind out the weapon track in 5-6 lethal missions. EXCEPT you also need armory data to unlock each weapon variety if you don't actually want to level the variety xp, so that's extra missions in the beginning! If you're just getting into the game though, you won't be able to do lethal anyway, you'll probably be having enough trouble with substantial until you get some hours in. You cannot circumvent the grind with heroics, they just reduce it somewhat IF you are already decent at the game. But if you're already decent at the game, you can just go into Ruthless with white weapons and get carried for one game to then proceed with green weapons which are already decent enough so you're not a complete carry on Ruthless. For a good player, there's largely no difference. You're an arrogant faggot.
>>2699822Makes me have the heretical thought of wanting to wield two melee weapons at once.
>>2699828GUILLIMAN HELP ME AHHHHHH
>>2699828>>2699833Brothers...the Codex Astartes...supports this!
>>2699808fun factargent edge ends his multihit combos on attack 1it also makes his clones stagger backwards and remain for the gunstrike, annoyinglyI foresee argent edge seeing a nerf to this feature after this crosses saber's desk
>>2699828>>2699840I used to think dual wielding was sick as fuck. Now that i'm older, i think using a single 1h weapon is cooler. Or having a gun and a melee weapon in the other hand. But two melee weapons is kinda cringe, unless you're a berserker of khorne or an elve.
>>2699848Normally a staff isn't something you wildly swing in melee but if you're strong enough to imbue it with magic at the end of it then why not?
>>2699848A sorcery staff is a multi-purpose gun.
Post model bits you most want to see in the accolade shop. For me it’s the Castellan’s helmet
Speaking of animations. These are new datamined animations for Chaos Siege Marines executions of Loyalist Marines.
They finally let techmarine share some armor pieces with the other classes. Looks like there's some new shoulders/arms, although chest pieces and legs are still stuck with default techmarine options. At least he's got the Deathwatch set now, so that's progress.
>>26998942/3
>>26998983/3
Punch kick beatdowns are nice but damn, no weapon executes?
>>2699894>>2699898>>2699902And higher res of all three:1: https://streamable.com/kktr4m2: https://streamable.com/sigen23: https://streamable.com/65rucg>>2699905Nope, none atm. Thosemight be in the pipeline still if they aren't in the PTS files.
So PvE as Chaos killing loyalist marines is actually real?
POV: quickplay sent you to vortex
definitely would've thought it was going to be chaos vs nids, adding an imperium enemy type is wild
Jesus Christ I couldn't stop laughingNever had such a long streak parrying in pvp
>>2699924Yes, in the new siege variant.
if primaris marines are new and taller than ye olde marines, why are chaos marines the same height as them? they are ye olde marines, they're not primarishuh?
>>2699942
Only like 4 ranged weapons feel good to useEvery heroic sucksMelee weapon stats fucking suckLow level vanguards that queue absolute ops should die instantly
>>2699942Similar energy
>>2699950There's no single in-universe explanation afaik. I honestly don't know what their plain with Primaris was. I originally assumed that it was just an in-universe way to explain them scaling up the miniatures and re-doing the proportions (40k models originally had what they called "heroic proportions", which were more cartoony than the tacticool current standard), but then they just sort of decided to ignore Chaos in the lore shakeup and now their models are bigger for no reason. I guess in the Era Indomitus, Chaos doesn't forget to drink their milk.
>>2699928i alt f4 if i join chaos ops via quickplayfaster than loading in, exiting and returning to the barge
how do i avoid taking damage when 1 (ONE) enemy is shooting me when im trying to beat up another?
>>2699894Now that they are doing this, will we ever see Chaos operations in our lifetime?
>>2699950Chaos just juiced them i guess
>>2700032Recover your chp by trading, and dodging side to side will throw off their aim for a second.If it's a nid warrior devourer, they shit out so much damage so rapidly that you might as well stop what you're doing to deal with them. Trading around them is suicide, at least on lethal or higher.Grenades are nice. Frags will stunlock up to a whole group for a moment. Kraks delete one outright, and can delete others if they're within kissing distance of the krak explosion. The rest of the nade types either don't do as well in these situations, or they're best saved for other situations.
>>2699942are you just messing with him or does parrying not give you an opening to kill him ever
>>2700032just accept youre going to take damage and recover your armor by executingprioritize the higher dps ones so you dont lose armor to take actual HP damage
>>2700115There's no perfect parry in PvP. You just hope your teammate bails you out and pray the guy swinging at you doesn't start using heavy attacks because there's no blocking those.
>>2700121ive already lost most of my armor running up to the enemy
>>2699950It kinda makes sense. They were already space marines, they fuse with the warp or get boons from their patron and become bigger through evil (but not gay) magic
>>2700115If you start getting melee'd, don't have the hp to outtrade them, and start parrying them instead, you're typically fucked. You can try to shoot them in between parries, but the window is extremely tiny if you intend on landing the next parry, so you either have to sit there and land like 20 parries in a row while shooting them as much as possible, kinda like Anon did, or be lucky enough for a teammate to come save you.Only noobs really bother with spamming melee for that long though. Most people with experience will give up after a couple parries and switch to a firearm to finish you off.Thankfully for Anon, that assault was a scrub that wouldn't give up. Plus that jump pack maneuver Anon pulled let him get off a nice chunk of damage so he didn't have to parry+shoot+parry+shoot too much more after.
>>2700133Dodge side to side as you close distance.You shouldn't be getting clipped by virtually anything but termagant spit balls if you do this.
>>2700133survival instincts of a deer in headlights
>it will be meta to play sieges as chaos because the imperium will be a weaker faction than chaos, and the hellbrute will be much better than valtusBehold, this hilarious future I have peered through the crystal ball.
>>2700552Maybe. Alternatively Straban bots stay overtuned and end up being really oppressive with the heavy bolter
>>2699942>>2699966
>>2700552A third faction of loyalist space marines for chaoschads to fight in chaos siege is beginning to look likely actually.https://youtu.be/IzfIlpMhWrYEvery new enemy the devs have released post launch has generally been at least a notch or two harder than their vanilla counterparts though. I'd at least bet on the flesh and blood space marine enemies being generally harder to fight than the shitty rubric robots.
>>2700552where did they say you can play as chaos
>>2700617 Leak in question.
>>2700620Keep up, lil nigga.https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/420-june-community-update
>>2700617that's why I said it, dummy
>>2699950Retconned. CSM were always Primaris height and now.
>>2700632*rapes you
>>2700552>MinorisGuardsmen>MajorisHeavy weapons squad - AutocannonHeavy weapons squad - Heavy bolterHeavy weapons squad - LascannonHeavy weapons squad - MortarCommissarTacticalAssaultVanguardBulwarkSniperHeavyTechmarineApothecary>ExtremisSentinel - LascannonSentinel - AutocannonSentinel - Heavy bolterLeman RussLibrarianChaplainJudiciarTerminators>TerminusBanebladeRedemptor DreadnoughtVictrix Guard
If only they modeled some Ogryns as friendly mobs that they could repurpose to be enemies now.
>>2700643>apothecarywe're getting junior chaplain, not geneseed harvester
>>2700630Awww I didnt really like siege
>>2700744Chaos siege might be the shit if they replace Tsons with loyalists. Assuming they don't fuck up and make them just as bad or worse.
>>2700946They are. There are already Loyalist execution animations that got data mined.
>>2700946pros>no teleporting>no beakies>terminators might not make an appearancecons>the most recent enemy they made was the terminator sorcerer and he seems to have been made by someone who genuinely hates everyone who plays this game, and that's going to be the design for the entire loyalist faction
>>2700982We still don't know 100% if they're gonna cut Tsons out of chaos siege entirely though.Personally, I'm hoping it's just nids and lists.
>>2701020They probably are. It wouldn’t make sense to give Chaos Siege 3 different factions to fight through when base Siege only has 2.
>>2701010>someoneThat’s all of them. Russians are enemies of human happiness.
>>2701037I thought the poles were?
>>2701048all slavs are like this
>>2701065If they hate everything so much then why don’t they just kill themselves?
>>2701048nah, it's russians who sufffer from crippling depression poles and czechs are super chill by comparison
Every one of these operations has been kino, I like the kill the ship one the best though, just very cool looking>ambushed in tight ass corridor by invisible lictorlmao
>>2701221we're happy for you, bro, but do you have what it takes to keep playing these ops for 1000 hours like the rest of us?
>>2701233If there were chaos ones I probably could. Unless it's slaanesh, fuck slaanesh. I find chaos cooler
>>2701221Most of the game is kino. The campaign is well designed, the graphics are great, the visual design in general is top notch, the sound isn't quite punchy enough but the basic design is good, the dialogue is fitting, it mostly does justice to lore, animations are great. They did a good job with the Nids overall, though there are issues there as well, like the Biovore. They obviously have a lot of competent people at Saber.HOWEVER, someone there in the gameplay/balancing department is a complete fucking idiot or asshole or both and has too much influence. At this point, they absolutely must know that most players actively avoid chaos ops and hate all the chaos enemies they've added - e.g. Chaos Spawns, Tzaangor Enlightened, and the Mutalith boss. None of these were received well. Chaos was already an annoying faction with the teleporting and the rocket terminators, and together with the later additions, and now the Terminator Sorc in the same vein, the faction just exemplifies a style of enemy design that is fundamentally at odds with what you want in a horde shooter - most of them are better suited to a Soulslike, where enemies are typically encountered in smaller numbers and therefore more dangerous individually, with feints and more complex patterns because you have the time to pay attention to them and don't have to manage 50 other enemies at the same time. And yet, we're still getting more of that. The damage sponge design philosophy is another issue, but that probably has to do with engine limitations to some extent.
>>2701473I actually like those enemies, but you're right I am a souls-like fan
>>2700003>World eater: my primarch was a vengeful lobotomite who hated the emperor! Bftbg!>Death guard: my primarch was dishonored by the emperor who saw him as a tyrant! Death to the corpse emperor!>Thousand son: My primarch was wrongfully persecuted by the emperor destroy the lie father!>Emperor's child: My primarch was possessed by a deamon who illuminated him to the evils of the emperor ! Fuck em!>*All four of them look to the squeaky clean ultramarine tactical with not a drop of corruption on him*>Ultramarine: uh yeah I'm just here for the xp bonus and maybe the Doritos....uh.... emperor....ya!....I mean no!.... no!
>>2701492So am I (at least the early ones, ER also got ridiculous with the attack patterns), but on the highest difficulties, fighting these enemies is just not a good experience because it's in conflict with what the rest of the game wants from you. At least the Mutalith you fight 1v1. I'm just not a fan of introducing enemies that don't really fit the rest of the game - same reason why I didn't like the Demon of Hatred in Sekiro. That was more of a rollslop than a parryslop boss. Buuuut then again, in Sekiro you can just try him again and again without much downtime. In SM2, if you fail the Mutalith, you have to do the entire fucking op again. Another reason why soulslike enemies don't really fit the game.What about nids, do you enjoy those in SM2?
>>2701010>the most recent enemy they made was the terminator sorcerer and he seems to have been made by someone who genuinely hates everyone who plays this gameI mean, there are so many faggots on discord, youtube and steam praising shitty game mechanics and balancing, faggots who never skip on a chance to tell anyone they can that the game is too EZ for them, that if I was a dev, I'd fuck with them real hard too
>>2701545I spent some time on the discord and reddit because I keep reading how disgustingly sycophanting they are here, and I honestly can't confirm it. There was ample backlash over the pts patch notes. LTG also put out a video criticizing the changes and openly discussing the fact that a lot of people don't like chaos. Of course there are always people who will be contrarians, but if a dev listens to them when most of the voices say something else, that's a choice.
>>2701545I can attest to the discord being an aids circus.If you complain about anything on the discord, you get picked apart by tasteless, unwitting, masochists that act like they can solo push +30 hard siege with their eyes closed. They act like every issue you could possibly have with the combat can be attributed to a lack of skill, and thus solved by practicing in the shitty new training mode. They don't know what they're talking about, but will pretend they do, like how they told me I was exaggerating when I told them more than three extremis can spawn in siege. So they don't play siege.I've also been accused of trolling for saying I like to play on absolute. Like it isn't baby shit in the face of hard strats.tl;dr: The discord thinks they're superior to us because they act like they've solved the game to the point of rendering enemy balance complaints irrelevant, yet frequently out themselves as either scrubs, retards, or both.
>>2701601>I've also been accused of trolling for saying I like to play on absolute.>trollingWut? How? Are they coked out of their minds?
>>2701607If this guy I carried from there is any indication of the average skill level over there, then they're just that fucking shitty at the game apparently.
>>2701179Poland’s only export is depression, and they live in abject misery every day.
>>2701607>>2701601>Absolutes are le easyI mean they're fun if Im Prestige IV and have everything I need, but why play absolute if I'm already maxed out?Absolutes realistically are more of a mixed bag for me, some are decapitation levels of easy and others are vortex beast level hard.
>>2701716>but why play absolute if I'm already maxed out?I want you to think about what you said
>>2701623Poland is literally one of the most positive growth countries in the EU. Cope
Is it just me or is loads more random damage is getting piled on than usual? Me and my mates have been copping about double to triple the amount of damage we'd usually see fighting a pack of warriors or something. Usually expecting to have to just fight back a quarter of my health bar on contested only to now be down to about 10% every time I engage a majoris pack out of seemingly nowhere. This only started after installing the pts and I'm convinced it's pozzed my PC.
>>2701601>like how they told me I was exaggerating when I told them more than three extremis can spawn in siege. So they don't play siege.are these niggers fucking stupid?
How bad is Absolute vs Lethal, assuming you get competent teammates in both?I wouldn't mind grinding for the cape(s) if it's not going to be a nightmare
>>2702044the change is barely noticeable
>>2702044Absolute is basically lethal but with an extra boss spawn and the bosses spawn an extremis gank squad twice a fight. It’s not bad and eventually you’ll need bad hard strats or siege degeneracy to feel anything playing the game
>Salamanders Power Sword>Changed from Fencing to Block>1 Adrenaline Charge applies burn to all melee attacks>2 Adrenaline Charges creates a small Pyre Canister explosive radii around the first target hit, as well as applying burn to all melee attacksIt was that fucking simple.
>>2695249>Retarded ziggers want me to play abandonware PvP to unlock tabardsWell, fuck you russian fucks. I guess I don't need those tabards. I won't play something that hasn't been touched on since launch and is shit and barebones to begin with just to have cloths which aren't even new. Engagement farming fucks. Can we bombard cyprus at this point?
Absolutes....are for slutes.....
>>2702044As someone who got into the game a couple of weeks ago (250 hours), I do think it can often be a significant step up from Lethal. I can carry comfortably on Lethal most of the time. On Absolute, it's a lot more varied. The triple Extremis during a Terminus can really fuck your shit up, esp. if there are packs from before the Terminus and your teammate idiots bringing the Termi down to half health quickly. When shit hits the fan on Lethal, I can get ous out of it 9 times out of 10, when it does on Lute, maybe 6 out of 10. Something like a triple Biovore spawn will usually fuck my shit up most of the time. Most of the players here have like 1k hours in the game, so they're naturally better. Still, dont be afraid of it, also post codes here and people will gladly play Lutes with you even if you're new.
>>2702274>devs see that 95% of the playerbase uses Fencing>stealth train them into BlockOnly a retarded, spiteful dev would do this.
>>2702775Argent Edge has already stealth trained them into black.
>>2702363>Most of the players here have like 1k hours in the gamewrong, i started since day -4 and i have clocked in 545 hours
>>2702788*block
When is the actual update?
>>2702788Argent Edge is just Fencing with the smaller parry timing modifierThe new "Fencing" power sword is a Block sword in all but name
>>2702864Argent Edge has a 330ms parry window, the same as block. The window reduction is 50%.
>>2702363You only clock in 1k hours if you're also playing PVP and if you did the 100 cape grindIf you know Cheat Engine you can skip the cape grind altogether, it just takes some programming knowledge
Saber is using SM2 to showcase to other IP holders and studios that they can do other genres as well.The Vortex Beast and Terminator Sorcerer don't belong in 40k, they're Soulsloppa bosses.
I don't get the complaints about Vortex Beast outside of Siege.The only time it's unfair is when it singles you out with both its melee combos AND the delayed warp missiles.
>>2702899Imagine spending 40 minutes with many close wipes in Vortex only to get mogged in the final battle.
>>2702912Like I said, beyond the times you get combo'd by both its projectiles AND its swings, you are hardly in danger.
>>2702044its basically the same for health and damage but absolute has up to 2 terminus spawns and spawns in way, way more adds during terminus fights along with generally more frequent wavesYou can do it just with some relic weapons but you have to be actually good at the game which no discord fag would ever be. At this point i almost never fail absolutes if i'm warmed up at all, they're not hard once you learn how to position to minimize the chances of getting suddenly gangbanged but your teammates can and will sabotage youSame shit as in WWZ, retarded teammates will fucking destroy your ability to win with their sheer ignorance
after nerfing the pyreblaster and just turning it into a meh gun they're going to nerf the heroic plasma pistol next; it'll only be able to fire once instead of twice with the right perksthey usually don't nerf melee damage so argent edge is okay and will be an outlierthey're going to remove deep pockets in siege mode too and will nerf the techpriest output again in the actual patch
>>2702925>which no discord fag would ever beThe SM2 Discord is pure cancer but the PvE lobbies there hosts the better and best players you can find.Once you go Trooncord lobbies you will never play with randoms ever again unless the weekly op is easy.
Nice to see free goodies coming up again. t. Brother who didn't get the greave before
>>2699651Hmm I dunno anon. I bought the game, tried pvp, and both matches I played didn't even fill up. We played 4v4
>>2702961>pyreblaster canisterwhat's the meta for that thing again?
>>2702961>make everyone play that shit right before they nerf it to the groundThat's some psychopath shit
>>2702981I like it in siege. Drop it on a spawn point and it nukes not just the first wave. But the followup wave. Also good for area denial to cut off flanks and passively defending the tech priest. Worthless past wave 15, though.
>>2702961What does the greave look like?
>>2703037
>>2702981Only works against Tyranids, Chaos just laughs at itUseless in Chaos operations because Chaos ops don't have hold the line segments like Tyranid opsShock grenade is still better and Melta bomb still mogs both
>>2701716I mean, they aren't easy, that's why I like playing them. They just aren't that bad compared to hard strats, since hard strats are literally a difficulty notch higher than absolutes, on top of having modifiers that can give enemies massive buffs and give you massive nerfs.I've been playing since launch and have everything maxed though, so.
>>2702875>If you know Cheat EngineDoes Easy Anti Cheat not, you know, detect Cheat Engine and punish you?
>>2702961How do these work? Is there like a minimum collaboration requirement, or do I only need to log in during the event and hope for the best?
>>2703567you don't need to do anything, you will receive them next time you log in after someone at saber decides to press the button>implying the devs add bespoke analytics everytime the community managers decide to do an event
>>2703567booba
>>2703567sloppa
>>2703640Really? I saw some people who wanted a rerun of an event to get a helmet with some gas-mask like sockets. I assumed you had to do something or you'd miss out.
>>2703660sloppy booba
>>2703678there are occasionally limited time personal challenges that you might miss out on but every collective community event so far was a guaranteed win.
I will personally be virtue signaling by playing Pyrecannon Heavy
>>2703709Ah no wonder. Thanks anon.
>>2703716remember to put the salamander helmet on
>>2703526I don't know how the cheat works but people with 300+ hours have capes and most don't use themI rarely see capes at all, people just want to unlock it but not use it
>use Pyreblaster because we're going to nerf it like the old grenade launcher back in the day>next update we'll nerf the heroic plasma pistol, Argent Edge (from 18 damage to 12 damage)
>>2703741>Argent Edge (from 18 damage to 12 damage)sauce?
They can nerf the heroic plasma all they want because my favorite thing about it is the fact that the shot arcs like it's a heavy plasma incinerator. Makes me feel like I'm firing a pocket nuke.
idk maybe this is a hot take but I kinda think Heroic weapons, unique one of a kind weapons that require you to spend blue doritos, should maybe be an upgrade from generic relic weaponsLike, you know, Guilliman's own Chainsword should maybe be a little more powerful than "Gathalamor Crusade"
>>2703773The devs act like the average person, who only plays up to Substantial, don't already queue up for Hard Stratagems to expedite the Accolades process thinking these heroics are strict upgrades.Even if they did realize that people are treating it this way, they won't make them strictly better and keep them as sidegrades.
>>2703773>>2703778Games Workshop should intervene and take Space Marine 3 away from these vatniks and give them to either the Total War devs or the DoW4 devs.
>>2703778I mean I'd be open to making it HARDER to get Heroics, like you have to master every single weapon variant and fully unlock the perk tree. Maybe even you need to use the Legendary weapon and complete a (or a series of) relatively difficult challenge like "Use this weapon to kill 3 Terminus-level enemies" or Kill X enemies in Y amount of time or whateverBut in exchange heroics should be a straight upgrade, you put in actual effort to EARN them instead of just grinding accolades and then your heroic is the payoff.
>>2703789Fund it but have Saber's graphics team go with whichever Studio takes over the project.
>>2703789Let's not give DoW4 devs their credit before the game is out. They're still under scrutiny.
>>2703795With all the games' industry firings both of these studios can hire graphic artists, 3D modellers and animators.
>>2703801DoW4 already better than DoW3 If it has a long, kino campaign it'll be better than DoW2
So it also looks like there's a third slot for wargear planned. Whether this is for some new extra piece (unlikely) or some combo of different cloth wargear is still up for debate.
>>2703807They have the prologue for the campaign unlockable only if you buy the premium edition. I haven't heard if they're "selling" the prologue separately.
my only gripe with dow4 is that there's only 4 factions and they've already monetized dlc even before the game's releasea major rts death knell are devs overfocusing on multiplayer, not every rts is fucking starcraftdawn of war was known for long and memorable singleplayer campaignsthey should pull a saber and leave multiplayer as is and focus on the campaign and skirmish mode
Melee heroic weapons shouldn't fuck with the typeIf its Fencing, keep it Fencing; none of that half parry time bullshit turning it into BlockJust make Block heroics then, Fencing players don't play melee anyway and have sub <1000 melee scores; they'll be fine with a Relic Fencing weapon of their choice
>>2703829>dow4looks like dogshit. Can't wait until it comes out and people wake up from their deluded hype coma to face reality
>>2703829I played Dow2 campaigns a bunch of time. Also last stand. Online PvP is for gay retards.
Main enemy in chaos siege is ultramarinesLETSFUCKING GOOOOOOOOOO! IM GONNA KILL SO MANY SMURFS!
>>2703789>give it to CAFUCK NOYOU THINK THESE SLAVS ARE BAD YOU HAVEN'T WITNESSED TRUE RETARDATIONAND THEY HAVE LESS EXCUSE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT CURSED WITH SLAVHOOD
>>2702981It's good in Siege, but kind of shit in Ops. Functionally it's just a shock grenade that doesn't freeze enemies in place
>>2703773They should, at the very least, be actual stat upgrades over relic weapons
>>2704025>>2703789>give it to Creative Assembly>he doesnt know about Hyenas the 100m funko pop extract shooter flop
>>2703954based, fuck ultra cuckswhat chaos faction do we play as?
>>2703773I don't mind the sidegrade approach as long as the Heroic weapon is still worthwhile and not necessarily a novelty or merely taking a shortcut with grinding a weapon category. Also the doubling up on some weapons when others haven't even gotten one yet is kind of gay. Gimmie a Volkite Serpenta or some shit already.Being said, I haven't tried the Heavy Bolter equivalence yet. Given how dry the options are, is that one any competent?
>Chaos siege mode>no Mk2-6 armour pieces
Why the fuck is every single lobby Join in Progress, and why does Join in Progress even exist for Siege when you get cucked out of having any requisition points if you join in progress
>>2704636Heavy bolter heroic is a melee weapon basically. Fencing window, high damage, no “spool up” on the rof, abysmal accuracy, abysmal vent speed but cools on gun strike. It’s pretty good but I prefer the firepower variant after the bodyshot buff. Hoping the next heroic HB is the deathwatch combi flamer personally
>play nids>never experience genuinely unfair bullshit>worst is neuro zoan combos or 3 biovores that never stop moving>everything else is literally just fine or slightly annoying at best>play chaos>get cheese dicked every single second of every single op>get frame perfect gangbanged out of executes>worst possible locations for helbrute spawns possible>all this combined with them being insane bulletspongesGenuinely how can saber fix chaos so they aren't mind bogglingly obnoxious to play against
>>2704699>Genuinely how can saber fix chaos so they aren't mind bogglingly obnoxious to play againstGo back in time and make them Word Bearers instead.
>>2704699Thousand Sons makes Chaos "easier"; if they threw in the Black Legion they would rape everyone since Saber will be forced to add a reactive aggro AI who will start shooting in your general direction upon contact.Imagine Majoris Guardsmen who still hit like a truck, with Rubric Marines they all stand there and only respond to threats.
The stalker heroic has upset me the most. I needed to post my ideal version so it doesn't die with me:>Similar base stats to max headshot variant>Headshot multiplier increased to 4x>Lower base RoF (2 down to 1) with increased recoil>Successive headshots boost RoF to 3+ and dampen recoil by like 50-80%For my tf2 niggers think Dragons Fury but not for the self-insert furry fetishist class.
>>2704600Well first anon we got to establish the classes>Sorcerer (summoner/offensive magic, squishy comes with a staff that cast and has melee)>berserker (melee brawler dual chainaxes can trade one for a pistol)>noise marine (Fast moving harasser that focuses on making yourself faster and stunning enemies. Comes with a whip or sword and a blastmaster)>plague marine (AoE tank, more toughness and defense based than berserker. Comes with a sythe, and plaguespewer)>Chaos Lord (sword and shield all rounder can make most undivided builds out of. Various support or "leadership" builds. Only clss with terminator armor. Comes with a powermace, powerclaw, and a stormbolter)
>>2704600Warudo eatas.
>>2704948LegionaryRaptorReaverBreacherExodusHavocWarpsmithDark ApostleExecutionerSorcerer
>>2705112Why they so hungry
is block the worst weapon type in the game?
when you use it, sure
>>2704699Even if there are multiple ways to do so, they don't want toFeature, not bugAt least the new terminator sorcerer will look sick while he bullshits you, that's an improvement compared to the little bolter punts rubrics do that send you flying across the room and take half your health bar
Why have I seen exactly nobody representing the Marines Malevolent? They're a very good chapter and I'm glad they were technically added to the game via a single pauldron insignia.
>>2705206Hungry for success
>>2705302I tried my hand at them, trying to go for piss yellow. Is there any in-depth information about their squad markings aside from hazard stripes for veterans? Kinda wish more 40k chapters got in-depth stuff about this in books, like pic related.
>>2705373>makes extensive use of a range of adornments drawn form the complex heraldic symbology of the order of caliban >looks inside>sword with wings>two jewish swords with wings>janitors keyring
>>2705409>look inside gang markings>see loss
>>2705417the foreshadowing…James Workshop…my knees…
>>2704699I feel like it would be so easy to make them more fun to fight. If you are engaged in melee distance with a tson of any kind they should never ever shoot you and the teleport needs to have some kind of wind and can be staggered out of. Then allow enemies in melee to get friendly fired so you can use them as cover while fighting in melee and moving up pod to pod. Also finally implementing the fucking melee chp rework holy fuck.
Apparently the Salamander sword is bugged on PTS and you need to actually swap into it from a drop pod to get it to actually have its heroic perk work.Once again, the tool tip is also misleading. It basically functions like a block attack but for each perfect parry, you will empower the attack AFTER your light attack, and you get to have up to 5 counts for this effect.So essentially you're super-charging either your power rake or whirl.
>>2705531>It basically functions like a block attack but for each perfect parry, you will empower the attack AFTER your light attack, and you get to have up to 5 counts for this effect.that's much better than the description though, hope they will keep it that way
>>2705441The only way I see meaningful change is if chp fade is paused or reset while in a melee flow state of attack strings, dodging and parrying successfully. That would be on top of increasing how much is restored on hit based on attack type. Melee is just too slow and gets interrupted by dodging and parrying constantly for the system they have now. Swinging raw with your fast lights does piss damage without counter multipliers up, and contested hp is already gone by the time you wind up a heavy attack because you got staggered or knocked over after taking the damage anyway.
>>2705409The individual heraldry one looks like a unicursal hexagram, and the only other legions that use sigils are Salamanders, Thousand Sons, and Word Bearers, but the latter two use it more as a script compared to the former.
So apparently they datamined an animation for a 1h hammer. Looks clearly like a chaplain is on the way.
1h hammer is going to be so good on Bulwark
>>2703808I imagine this is going to be splitting crotch clothes and capes so you can have both at the same time.
>>2706005One-handed hammer was announced in the last blog.
I am going to fucking laugh if the Ultramarines are a more fun faction to fight than the Thousand Sons.
>>2703789>give them to either the Total War devs or the DoW4 devs.I now remember why I don't visit this place. The sheer levels of retardation here are off the charts.Why the fuck would you trust CA with literally fucking anything? The company that has worse DLC business practices, misses bigger deadlines, has even less QA and still fucks up the balance?
Shitty leaks for Bulwark Space Wolf Champion.
>>2706160We had those already Brother >>2694068
>>2706160
>>2706163Ah, missed that.
>>2706005How's it look? I've been pining for Librarian but I'll take a chaplain adjacent guy. Crozius is probably gonna be a launch Heroic if I had to chance a guess but if some of the cosmetics are shared between Assault and Bulwark we'll have good options for shit like a jump chap.
>>2702899It's a Souls boss. This isn't a Souls game. The game is missing the mechanics that make Souls games fun for those who enjoy them. The only thing that Vortex Beast gets right is that you fight it alone in the op. But paradoxically, that shouldn't even be necessary because a horde game should have bosses that are compatible with hordes being there. It's only because it's a souls boss that adds would make it even worse. The new Terminator Sorc doesn't even get that right.
>>2705373>Is there any in-depth information about their squad markings aside from hazard stripes for veterans?As far as I know, the color should be Bad Moon yellow, but Imperial Fists yellow also works. I'm just going to assume that a lot of their heraldry is close to the Iron Warriors, and maybe they like to tell everyone that their primarch is Rogal Dorn even though everyone knows it's Perturabo.
Why does nobody talk about playing with mods here? I really want to get one that ups the size of my fire team to 6-10. Paint them up as My favorite chapter and mop the floor with absolute ops
>>2706213There was an "initiative" of sorts a long ago to have anons run Astartes mods, but that was when the mods were still messing up the save files. I'd like to run ops with more sm2g bros tbqh.
>Pick up SM1 on summer sale.>Set up things like SM2 before getting into it, start playthrough on hard because it's gamer hours.>Ork boys die to like five or seven body shots or a single headshot to a bolter, very much like Tzaangor. Gretchin die as easily as cultists.>Not invincible during executions at all.>No heavies on melee, just combo and special melee button that is just chainsword's fistfight heavies.>Executions are a two step process necessitating smacking a bigger guy with a special melee then hitting E.>Execution button is a whiffable grab.>Nobs can uno reverse card your executes.Okay I don't know what you guys are talking about with SM1 being better than->Jump pack segment.>You can fucking air tech and the jump pack is incredibly responsive.>Ground Pound is spammable and oneshots things.Okay maybe you're on to->Rockit boyz and all these Orkz shooting at BS2+Hrmmmm.
>>2706224>an "initiative" of sorts a long ago to have anons run Astartes modshow did it go?
The more I think about it the more I realize that /vg/ should expunge gacha shit and give it its own board
>>2706287I mean thats literally the thing to do.
>>2706239Considering the age of SM1, you should say the orks were shooting at BS5 instead of 2+
>>2706213They patched it a long time ago so you can't have randoms join you if you have mods, and since most of us here seem to play with randoms most of the time, I guess they stopped bothering with mods.I am pretty sure you can hook up mods and still play with other people, as long as they join you through a code. Idk if they count those towards progression though, cause that could be another factor. Many people stop playing when they don't have anything tangible left to work towards.>>2706252I personally played exactly one inferno with a couple anons from here where the host had mods on from what I could tell.iirc, he increased enemy spawn rates, added imperial guard, and buffed bolters and stuff. This was something like 12 patches ago now, so this was long before you had stratagems, let alone custom stratagems you could modify to replicate those sorts of mods. And I was and still am on console unfortunately, so any mods that affected me personally, like anything to do with the stats on my gear or marine at all, wouldn't work. So my weapons did the same old shitty amount of damage.Still a very cool experience though. I'm looking forward to them adding mod support on console. Maybe once they finish implementing that, it'll make it worth it for anons to post modded codes again. Hopefully they don't restrict your matchmaking, or at least don't restrict it too much. I'd like to fuck around with things like the terminator class and all the extra cosmetics from astartes and still be able to join lobbies.
>>2706239It's better by way of actually feeling like you're able to kill shit and feel like a real Space Marine, and any weapon in SM2 is marginally outclassed by their SM1 predecessors. I don't really listen to or give a damn about some of the retards in the earlier or current threads who claim the entire opposite, the gameplay in SM1 is just outright better.
>Nobody showing off their new Deathwatch drip on the PTS
>>2705373>Is there any in-depth information about their squad markings aside from hazard stripes for veterans? Kinda wish more 40k chapters got in-depth stuff about this in books, like pic related.The only other unique confirmed piece of heraldry lore is that the head stripe dictates company. So the red stripe you often see is for the 3rd Company.
>>2703773I couldn't disagree more, all weapons should be sidegrades onlyThey should remove progression system in anything gameplay related completely. It can stay for an inconsequential shit like cosmetics only. Same in Darktide/VermintideThis is an action game and not an RPG, all making powercreeped weapons (or perks and levels) does is trivializing combat, which then in turn requires higher difficulty options to be made, splitting playerbase further and making it more cancerous to level up character when you are just starting. Leveling isn't the point here and it's fun. It's a chore you have to do, you have to slog through, until you are allowed to have fun at a proper difficulty which will test your skill, and not your character's one like in RPGSame reason why Prestige was a retarded faggotry which shouldn't exist.
>>2707005>Leveling isn't the point here and it isn't fun*
>>2707005At least in the Tide games, levelling is much faster and more of a formality. In SM2, you'll spend 100+ hours just P4L25ing every class.
what am i supposed to do with assault in pvp? the thunder hammer has no range and always gets parried
>>2707347Your main job is to use your jump pack to take the shortcuts available on most maps in order to find people running from spawn and rape them in a 1v1. 1v1s against anything but a heavy with energy weapons (or other assaults) are basically gimmes. Ground pound them twice. If you can't do that, then ground pound them once and then do a light (or running light if they roll/if you whiffed the ground pound) with the hammer, followed by a charged heavy. It's enough damage to kill every class, heavy attacks cannot be blocked (even by bulwarks), and rolling does not give enough distance to escape it. It's guaranteed death. You should basically never lose a fight that starts with you ground pounding somebody.If you get an opportunity while on your way to their side of the map, take pot shots at enemies. This is mostly just to remind them "hey, you need to be looking up," and split their attention between you and your team, who should have an easier time killing someone who's worried about getting goomba stomped. Not uncommonly though, you'll be passing by someone engaged in a firefight with one of your team-mates and you'll just pistol them to death along with your buddy. That's fine too. Your ground pound is your bread and butter but there's no reason to pass up ranged kills.Big-picture, the way you contribute to your team is by killing respawners and forcing the other team to pay attention to the sky. If you can make them paranoid, that takes pressure off your team. The experience of fighting against a team that has 0 assaults and a team that has 1 assault is night and day. Vanguard does this too, although he mostly grapples up to one of the Designated Vangaurd Areas and fires into teamfights. Same general idea though: the mere fact that you're on the team forces the bad guys to constantly look up unless they want to die.
>>2707390and to counter feet frag grenades?
They need to bring Orks back in SM2, I don't know how we're like 2 years in without Orks?
>>2707435I've never really noticed frags to have any kind of an impact to be honest. I've never been knocked out of an animation by one while I'm ganking somebody as far as I can remember, and I can't recall ever dying to one either. To clarify, I die to grenades all the time in other situations, but I've never been bothered by frags if I'm just ambushing a guy with a ground pound. Kraks will kill you if they stick you, but the other guy dies too.It's really just kraks or heavies with a charged plasma incinerator or melta gun that account for my 1v1 deaths as an assault. I still die in plenty of other situations, like during map traversal or if I get sucked into a team fight, but specifically if I'm ground pounding a guy in a 1v1 the only time I really die is in those two situations. Maybe I'm just lucky to have never encountered the frag grenade meta or something.
>>2707479Creating a new faction would probably take the fucking longest. I don't think they ever promised a completely new faction either.
how do i unlock the one handed bolter that kills everyone instantly?
>>2707542The Heroic Heavy Bolt Pistol? You buy that with accolades.
>>2707490I realize what I'm asking for but you can only fight Tyrannids and Chaos for so long before it gets boringOrks or Necrons would be interesting (although I'm not sure Necrons have proper Minoris fodder?) and break up monotony a bit, even if they are a huge investment of dev resourcesIf the dev team was large enough and enough money was invested my ideal would be something like Orks + 5 new missions(/maps) for them, but I do understand how much time that would take to develop and how a year~ of literally no content would probably not please a lot of people playing
>>2707564I don't think they ever had plans to add orks. In fact, they admit they never thought the game would be this successful. It took them two years to make a new class, I'm not sure if they can really do an entirely new faction without some sort of grand rerelease for all that effort.
>>2707479Nah, SM2 is doneSM3 should have Orkz, Tyranids, Eldar, Necrons, Iron Warriors and Word Bearers>random Macraggian planet; part of 500 worlds>Ork invasion in progress, Hive Fleet splinter fleet also crashes into the planet>Captain Titus responds to the situation personally>backed up by Lt. Straban, veteran sergeant Metaurus and Gadriel, Reclusiarch Leandros>other squad is Lt. Valius, sergeant Decimus, Vespasius, Scipius, Quartus>first chapter is dealing with the Orkz and Tyranids, triple threat battle between the Ork Warboss, Norn Emissary and the Spess Mehreens>turns out the Eldar are behind the Ork and Tyranid invasion, wild goose chase to another planet>Captain Titus, 2nd company and the IG fight the Eldar, turns out the Eldar are guarding a massive Necron tomb who by itself are guarding a former closed Warp rift sundered during the War in Heaven>Avatar of Khaine boss battle, the death of said avatar awakens all of the Necrons>shit hits the fan, help and reinforcements called>3rd chapter is Captain Titus and friends defending against the Necron onslaught>Necron Lord boss battle who summons a shard of the Nightbringer, Deceiver and Void Dragon>after his defeat the warp rift opens, in comes the Word Bearers and Iron Warriors through the portal>Kor Phaeron leads the Word Bearers, a random literal who Warpsmith leads the Iron Warriors initially until his real boss arrives>Girlyman, Calgar, Custodians, Grey Knights and all sorts of Ultramsurf successor chapters arrive>final battle is against Perturabo who gets beaten by Girlyman with Captain Titus' help and leaves the planet while he gets betrayed by Kor Phaeron and the Word Bearers; Calgar buckbreaks the Word Bearers>Girlyman invites Captain Titus with him on Terra, the end
>>2707587It'll be a fucking miracle if anyone from Talasa and Veridian come back.
>also SM3>no Librarian class on day 1>will show up a year later and will only come with 1 skill (Smite)>Ultramarine Librarian champion>not Blood Angels, Blood Ravens or Exorcists>no Rune Priest and Storm Seer until 6 months later
>>2707587If they’re doing 500 worlds Death Guard has to show up as a chaos representative
>>2707347You exist to fly in the air and pick off targets fighting. You nearly one shot most classes. Dont get close to heavies if possible they will rape you
>>2707640Isn't Perturabo making an advance across the galaxy too?
>>2707671He’s on the move, but I don’t remember exactly where. Death Guard holdouts are explicitly littered all over Old Ultramar running poo all over everything however, so it would be weird to just ignore them if the sequel is about the 500 worlds
is the carbine side arm ANY good?
>>2707795No lol.More broadly, the thing is on the two melee guys with a niche that amounts to "Is slightly higher DPS than hitting them with a melee weapon." And that's if you can tame the fucking thing's accuracy. It wants to be the Autocarbine but just plain isn't and the only melee I could possibly justify it on is Power Fist since that thing outranges it. The more damning thing is the ammo. It takes damn near a full mag to kill a single majoris and you only get around nine of those. What's worse is that the regular bolt pistol tends to outshine it even.
>>2707795Not really. Ammo pool is too terrible to justify the rest of the stats being low and there's no real reason to use it if you aren't grinding for the sake of completion
Does going up in class PVP rank do anything at all?
>>2708000is chain sword actually goodI thought I was supposed to use the power sword on bulkwark
>>2706204I recognize that guy at the back.
>>2708286>I thought I was supposed to use the power sword on bulkwarkyour weapon doesnt really matter since about 70% of your damage is from blocking and procing the aoe damage perk. power fist is probably the best because you can set up big charged attacks. you can use what ever you want, even thunder hammer. chainsword can be pretty fun, it benefits the most from attack speed because its animations are so short, so fencing, balanced, and the block heroic feel good. it can be a bit boring though all you do is should bash and occasionally stomp
>>2707795Ironically it would probably be decent on classes that don't have it.
>>2708159No.
>>2708286>power swordmeh
>>2708312>Chaos siege mode>but no Unification Wars, Great Crusade and Horus Heresy colours, symbols and iconography
>>2708482It is astonishing how much better some legions looked vs the chapters they became. Especially some of the Imperial Fists’ alternate schemes compared to their modern appearance
>>2708482It'd be easier to say what you want is legion iconography pre-primarch meeting
>>2708490I just want Mk1-Mk6 armour, colours and iconography.I'm a 30k player.
>>2708482Some of the traitor legion heraldry available is based on their Heresy-era iconography, but it's like one decal at best.Being said, I'd play the fuck out of a 30k spin-off of SM2/3. Having at least five different armour marks for every legion makes for a ton of marine fashion.
>>2708493I'm the same, but we live in a Primaris world and suffer as a result
>ywn be a First>ywn be a Dusk Raider>ywn be a War Hounds>ywn be a War-Born>ywn be an Imperial Herald>ywn be a Revenant Legion>ywn be a Ghost Legion>ywn be a Storm Walker>ywn be a Star Hunter>ywn be a Dragon Warrior>ywn be a loyalist 5th Fellowship, Luna Wolf
>>2708503Good things come to those who wait. Only 38000 more years bro
>>2708503Why would you want to be an abhuman?
damn, they're really not gonna update the PTS at all, huh?
>>2708850give them a week or two
>>2708855the niggas on the discord said it goes live next week tho
>>2708286White Scars Chainsword is pretty good on Bulwark because the triple adreno stacks buff your shield charge to retard levels when combined with the perks.
I wanna be a techno-barbarian
help a colour deficient nigga out, is the thondia brown in this game like the doombull brown in that it's actually a dark red or is it actually brown? i'm trying for a good colour for inner circle companion robes seeing as there's no burgundy.
>>2708688I'd love to be an Ogryn.eat scran'elp lil'uns'elp commisarsmush bad'uns (not racis' just dun like 'em)round and soft soulsimple as
>>2708920brother, brown doesn't exist. it's all dark red.
>>2708948well like I said I'm colour deficient and two thirds of that wheel looks identical
>>2708969>>2708948that middle right segment (slightly low and closest to center) is brown
alright whatever then I'm just keeping them black ig
>>2707347Think like a Night Lord. If you see what would be a fair fight, avoid it. Learn shortcuts and vantage points. Use your mobility to flank enemies and ambush them when they don't see you. Ground Pound them when they don't see you and ideally are engaging your allies and so are focused on them. Jump Pack mobility even lets you escape and run away easily
>>2707587I don't think Eldar would make for a good enemies here, they are also Elite and use trickery and magic, would be annoying to fight most likely. Them being 3rd playable faction would be better, especially since this combat system feels like you are playing as Eldar already kekIn SM3 I can see:>Orkssince they are current edition main enemies and in a starter set even>NecronsArtifact SM1 and SM2 are about is clearly of Necron origin and Necrons were hinted at strongly already with Demerium and now were enemies in 500 Worlds too>Death GuardBecause they attacked Ultramar and should be there>Nids/TsonsI hope they won't be retarded and will port all possible content from SM2 anyway. Leaving them behind in a dead game would be wasteful.>>2707671>>2707640>>2707687Iron Warriors are attacking from Eye of Terror
Something nobody has pointed out AFAIK.The Black Templar Champ skeleton is now equippable as an Iron Halo, separate from the power pack decals and writing. So now if you want something thematic but less ostentatious, you can just have the "No Pity. No Remorse" etc. stuff on your rear side without the skelly.
>>2709219this does mean no more flaming bad to the bone howeverthoughbeit
>>2709219It was posted earlier in the thread>>2696656
>>2708494>every enemy faction are marines, but they all fight differently, and they fight together>world eaters are all about melee rushdowns, kinda like melee terminators>emperor's children are another flavor of melee rushdowner, except they move and attack faster, but have weaker attacks>nightlords are yet another flavor of melee rushdowner, except they're the weakest but most ellusive, like raveners but squishier, weaker, and more common>alpha legion are like lictors with ranged options>death guard are like biovores, except they don't skitter around at 50mph, all about being tanks that spread area denial in the form of toxic gas or other chemical warfare>iron warriors are more like soulreaper terminators, all about suppressive fire, except they'll be non terminator majoris so they do less damage and aren't as tanky, but they'll show up more often>sons of horus are standard marines that shoot at you with bolters and switch to chainswords when in melee range, except they can run and use cover cause they aren't dust robots>word bearers are all about spazzy daemons and daemonhosts, and they provide all the minoris in the forms of pink/blue horrors and nurglings, no lame bird faggots that aren't even technically daemons>thousand sons are like zoanthropes that can buff nearby units and sit in the sky on the edge of arenas providing psychic artillery fireIt would be unequivocal kino.
>>2709438>unequivocal kino.you are getting ONE xeno faction and ONE chaos legion and you ARE going to be happy.
>total war 40k has ogryns, heavy weapons teams, stormtroopers and guardsmen with different weapons outside of lasguns (saw grenade launchers, flamers and plasma guns)dats itgive space marine 3 to creative assemblythose negroes are tired of total war, they'll make space marine 3 a masterpiece just like they did with the first alien isolation
Hello sm2gen, I thinking of playing this game as I have access to it with family share, but was wondering how cucked is the ingame community for this game? I played darktide for a little while and oh my lord, there are SO many trannies I got matched with who'd just say the weirdest shit in the mic/chat that it killed my desire to play, and was wondering if this game is safe from such revolting behaviour>Aka if i play black templar is some turbo faggot gonna start crying on the mic that I'm literally Hitler for playing it>Or will I run into 2 homos ERPing in VOIP frequentlySry for the retarded question, but I just have insane faggot fatigue from other warhammer games, I rly don't wanna subject myself to this after putting in like 50 hours into the game. Cheers
>>2709671I've rarely ever heard anybody on mic outside of pvp.If they use their mic, they're usually casual ass gamer dad sounding gentlemen that either leave their mics on while talking to their wives, or they do call outs.There's a text chat on pc, so I think most people just use that.
>>2709671you prob won't encounter any of of those people no since this game is mostly filled with normies and boomer dad types
>>2709671>Aka if i play black templar is some turbo faggot gonna start crying on the mic that I'm literally Hitler for playing itNo. When you play in euro timezone 90% of players with cyryllic usernames sport black templars.>Or will I run into 2 homos ERPing in VOIP frequentlynever happened to me in 900 hours. We've had one guy itt who boasted about erping with a "female" player ingame but that's it.You are free to disable text and/or voicechat, there's actually zero need for communication in the game. When you have to explain something to another person means they are already a deadweight and wouldn't listen to you anyway.
>>2709671>cucked is the ingame community for this game?"Cucked" Isn't the word I'd use. Yes you have tranny basedboys here but you have those for any game these days. We're just stupid fps gamers who like to larp as manly men who are bigger stronger and smarter than everyone else.Also please don't get political.
>>2709671I can count the times I've seen people type anything in the darktide chat or even say anything on the mic.And I have 600 hours on Darktide.
>>2709741>Also please don't get political.tranny fatigue is not political
>>2709708>>2709711>>2709727Aight I'll give it a try in that case, and ty for all the quick responses o7>>2709741I didn't mention politics?>>2709749I went prob 100 hours without seeing/hearing any of that stuff, then I got to auric and low level havocs and it was prob every 1/10 games I'd encounter some of that crap on NA east servers. Literally my first havoc 1 match a zealot asked to nuzzle another guy's bulge in text chat with rainbow letters some how... I gave up around havoc 15 when some guy moaned on the mic and just uninstalled the game after that
>>2709818All I ever see is one dude wanting to take Nurgle's gifts up his ass in the Mourningstar messages every other month.
The Term Sorcerer is a fucking piece of shit. I can tell you now that the playerbase for chaos missions is going to fucking crumble if that faggot gets released in that state.
>>2709845shit, I still haven't beaten absolute vortex
>>2709845>Trying to fight him when any three Extremis show upBorderline impossible if you're not the top 0.1% of players.
>>2709671>SO many trannies I got matched with who'd just say the weirdest shit in the mic/chatis this in europe? i have hundreds of hours and never seen this
>>2709859feenaly the game is vell balansed
New Heroic "Hammer" is honestly pretty fun. More adrenaline boom makes it tasty.
>>2709438Don't forget>SA tercios and charonite ogryns>Mechanicum tech-thralls and thallax>more common volkite and rare disintegration weapons>multiple terminator and dreadnought types
>>2709438>>2710137>Terminus boss is a single CustodianHeresy-era Space Marine has such disgusting potential for absolute kinemateque
>>2709671you will NEVER hear from people in game, in my 900+ hours I've not met a single one of these people saying that kind of stuff in SM2, compared to DT where it's common enough i'd meet one every 2-3 days. all these types of people reside on the forums, and do the whole >hehe, don't you know this game is SATIRE of fascism chud!?!bit, but would shit themselves the moment you pressed them in a voice chat about it>t. ran into a guy named chibbity from the steam forums once in a match of siege mode>tldr this guy is one of the most aggressive no lives who lives on the forums>constantly picking for arguments with new players, whines about racists in the 40k community, how fascists are such losers, etc>asked him why he's so angry on the steam forums in chat, he didn't say anything back and just insta DC'd from the lobby... kekso yeah don't worry about these types and enjoy the game. see you on the battlefield brother
>>2709438>death guard are like biovores, except they don't skitter around at 50mphWhy DO Biovore move that fast in-game? Surely they aren't some insanely high move tabletop unit or something? They look like they'd be relatively lumbering tanks.
>>2709671People with mics get kickedEven when I played a little PVP there were no live micsNo one reads and posts chats too, if you want to communicate something you point to the object in question with the action button
>Neither Heavy nor Techmarine get access to a variant of the Raptors chest despite the fact it's just a bunch of kitbashed existing pouch/ammo assetsAbsolute faggotry
i dont think the white scar chain sword is worth it. it either needs 2 extra damage, or needs to be faster. for assault i like balanced the best, and for bulwark fencing is just fine.
>>2710511>it either needs 2 extra damageIt already deals the highest damage of any melee weapon when it has 3 stacks?
>>2710440No point to it since Heavy bleeds ammo outside of the heavy bolter and Techmarine doesn't even have ammo restoration at all
>>2710554Assault has no ammo regen perks of any kind, is primarily a melee class, and not only gets access to the Raptors chest, but the best version of it.Bulwark also gets the chest, and is primarily a melee class, even if he does have a ranged regen perk.I don't know why you were trying to bring gameplay mechanics into drip.
>>2710531you wont have stacks 98% of the time. i just watched a replay i've gone several minutes of pure fighting without a single enemy meleeing me. most enemies get perma staggered then die or are attacking your allies instead, the only time block is good is vs fast combos like raveners, but even then its just a bit a fun and you can easily kill them with fencing or balanced
>>2710574>you wont have stacks 98% of the timeSkill issue.
>Raptors cosmetic pack>the one chance they can actually add digital camo shit, hoods, capes, pouches, holsters and other tacticool shit>you only get two cloth covered pauldrons and one chest piece with pouchesRaptors change their armour colours too depending on the terrain they'll fight in so there's desert tan/khaki in deserts, different shades of green in jungles and forests, arctic white in snow, black/dark blue for night operations, red/brown if Forge World, generic camo grey in urban areas, etc.
>>2710610You forgot the worst offense.The pack didn't even add Roman numerals akin to the 1-10 from the Raven Guard pack.
is the normal damage variant bolt pistol actually better than the heavy pistol? i've been seeing more and more people use the heroic on absolute recently
>>2710579>stand around for 5 seconds>get your stacks>deal 300 damage in 2 secondsvs>attack for the whole 7 seconds>perma stagger and deal 600 damageits simple math
>>2710659Playing defensively and being rewarded with a massive burst of damage when you do finally swing is far safer and more effective than slapping a limp dick across enemy faces and forcing them to constantly aggro you.
>>2710696except you are slapping a limp dick with the block sword in every situation except when you happen to be alone with three bonesword warriors (which you shouldnt even need any extra advantages to deal with). in every other case, in situations that actually matter, you are better off with fencing or balanced.
>>2710758>except you are slapping a limp dick with the block sword in every situation except when you happen to be alone with three bonesword warriorsWhat can you not parry anything else or something? I get 3 stacks from gaunts.
>>2710653the regular bolt pistol is accurate on hip fire and has the 50% headshot damage on execute. but they are pretty comparable otherwise
>>2710758In absolutely no scenarios are you better off with Balanced. The naming convention pretty much means the worst of both worlds.>Don't get the defensive window of Fencing>Don't get the damage of Block>Instead get a fubar'd defense window that's unironically worse than Block, not as long as Fencing, and some jagoff bonus to cleave
>>2710771by the time you have gotten your three stacks i have already killed all of them and moved on to dealing with actual threats. gaunts dont even attack you unless you are attacking them first so its pointless to try to farm stacks, which is what i was talking about from the beginning, you hardly ever get meleed at all in this game so its not good to rely on hoping an enemy will attack you
>>2710659yes, it is simple math, the issue is you are not very good at it.>provoke three attacks by dodging or shooting for 0.5 second>get your stacks>deal 300 damage in 2 secondsvs>attack for the whole 7 seconds with a parrying stick>deal 15 damagevs>attack for a whole 7 seconds with a balanced weapon>get permastaggered and die by overlapping enemy attacks you provoked
>>2710797>by the time you have gotten your three stacks i have already killed all of themYou have not killed a single Majoris in melee combat with a fencing weapon by the time I get three stacks, get real. It takes the fencing Chainsword like four shoulder bash loops to kill one fucking majoris.
>>2710783balance deals way more damage than block or fencing and assault does not need to parry since he is incentivized to jet pack dodge for the damage boost. for bulwark the balanced parry window is pretty bad. for other classes your melee weapon doesnt even matter
>>2710820>for other classes your melee weapon doesnt even matter
>>2710820>balance deals way more damage than blocklollmao even>for other classes your melee weapon doesnt even matterKEK
>>2710820>for other classes your melee weapon doesnt even matterThisI'm a Space Marine, not a Space Mong
>>2710840its true. block used to be good but then they changed it to be the "slow weapon" making it garbage, especially for chainsword since attack speed determines the cooldown between attacks. block axe is still good for example. now the heroic bloc has decent speed but fencing damage still making it crap. block is now just a placebo and balanced became the best option for most weapons. people still think block is good because it USED to be good.
>>2710820According to the ordeal tracker I only performed 5 perfect jet pack dodges :(Never understood how Wings of Flame build works.
>>2710872its just a 30% damage steroid and activiates the prestige perk if you use it, plus you can even farm jet pack charges if you only have one charge, you can perfect doge and get one back then land the dash attack to gain a second charge. you dont need wings of flame, you can still use recharge on ground pound kill.
>>2710846that guy draws the tightest fucking shit, what's he called again?
>>2710871TOPKEK
Only use FencingDon't care about melee, I average <100 points in the melee score category
Only use Block.Nothing hits the dopamine button harder than landing that chainsword skip into BOOM into shoulder bash into watching five niggas flash red.
>fencing vs blockwhat year is this?
Did saber say anything about thousand sons or emperor's children not being in sm2 period?
I thought the chaos siege was going to be against nidders only?
>>2711533But you're fighting Thousand Sons though I think they put in a EC icon or two a while back, since I've been using the Word Bearers icon instead of the Tome Keepers for a little bit now
>>2711545But there's no chance of say getting cool thousand sons or emperor's children skin/parts for the new chaos siege?
>>2711587I doubt it, Slaanesh was icky for a while and a retard might think TS parts mean a person is an enemy
>>2711594The reason I ask is because I was watching first tour guardsmen and he references some interview where EC and TS are on some sort of embargo or no go zone for playable content. I was just wondering the validity of that.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcWRSlrcUWk
>>2711701BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP
>>2711539There's gonna be primaris marines tonfight too apparently. According to leaks.
>>2709671I've never experienced any of what you mention in darktide in this game, so you'll be fine chief
>>2712189The only guy I’ve hear on mic in months was a guy sperging I needed to ignore enemies and grab a stim I didn’t need while I was carrying the team on a hard strat while everyone else was dead. Retarded, but in character for a dead guy who doesn’t get how free chp recovery is on heavy. This doesn’t have much to do with what was talked about but I’ve been day drinking so it’s storytime
>>2711656>I was watching [irrelevant nobody] and he said [statement he pulled out of his ass]
>irrelevant nobodylol, someone's jealous
I have played the first game and just started the second, I just did the campaign mission where you realize they're using Da Device from the first game to like use it for a super bomb that totes won't lead to a chaos incursion.Not sure if I prefer the combat to the first one. I felt a little meatier and heavier in the first one.
the guys that launch the expanding grass are so annoying
>>2712662Biovores are annoying, but are significantly less dogshit to deal with than missile terminators, chaos spawn, or disk tzaangors
>>2712662the only part of them that needs to be fixed is the barbs having a much larger hurtbox than they do a modelhell, making the barbs look wider would be a perfectly okay solution, just stop phantom hitting me you russian cucks
>>2712677Nah the other part that needs fixed is to have an actual limit on how many brambles can exist at any one time. They should not be spamming them to the point they're a hyper priority, because if you leave them alive, there will be literal multi-dozens on the floor.
>>2709671>there are SO many trannies I got matched with who'd just say the weirdest shit in the mic/chat that it killed my desire to play>will I run into 2 homos ERPing in VOIP frequentlyIs this what it's like to play online games in America?
>>2712573kek
I want to train myself into using block weapons but im starting to miss having free armor segments from perfect parrying minoris
>>2712741I ran into 2 russians cosplaying as "templars" in white with red crosses, both had mics and started screaming something about god when going into combat. Ofc they kept dying all the time.
Try to play this game once in a while but it's just lobotomized playstation niggers everywhere.
>>2712808You can get armor from landing adrenaline stacks iirc.
>>2712808Train with Argent Edge, and soon the new Power Sword. Both of these weapons have the same 330ms optimal window as Block.Once you get these down to the point you almost never miss even against the likes of Chaos Spawn, you can use Block.
>>2712958imagine the game when tendies join in
>>2712995>Fencing>but with Block timings and Block mechanicsVatniks are stupid
>>2713004It's just a smaller window, you still gunstrike and don't get adrenaline stacks. The smaller window is just to make up for the other advantages, like the fact Argent Edge deals damage on parry and staggers any attacking enemy to the point it outright denies combo attacks. It cucks Raveners like crazy. The 18 damage also means it's great for using Shadow Stab even as a fencing weapon.
>>2709818You're honestly a literal faggot yourself if that shit bothers you enough to uninstall the game. Just block these fags and go about your day.
Do you guys drink beers while playing this game?
>>2713299i gave up alcohol
>>2713321Honestly good for you, brother. I've reduced my drinking, but I do still like a smash up once in while.
>>2713299i do drink booze when playing usually yes just not beer, this is one of the only games i play when being buzzed doesn't hamper me much
>>2713283Holy projecting bro, not everyone is ok with gay shit like you homo.Take a chill pill, and maybe go fuck a woman.
>>2713368I'm really not projecting mate, it's okay if you're not into gay shit. It's just the intense reaction that's really fucking gay. Imagine me announcing that I'm leaving this thread because people say nigger too much. Fag, you quit a game over rainbow letters. You are literally a fucking pussy.
>>2713381He posts AI slop, you really should have understood that he's a retard with a giant ego from the drop.
>>2713299Always m8>>2713283Honestly I don't blame him. Faggot fatigue is really setting in for me as well which is why I like this game so much>No fags and funny communityHowever your intense reaction is telling us something otherwise lol
>>2713020>It's just a smaller windowyeah, block's window
>>2713004They are bigger idiots for introducing the entire 3-type-of-block options for melee. It should've been fencing and block or just go with skills for every weapon that you build into a specific stat.
>People above the age of 30 unironically crying about AI in a space marine threadJfc... I thought we left you /coopg/ retards behind
>>2712966>>2712995Was mostly just looking for something that would fit a melee tactical build better since fencing variants feels like they hit like wet noodle and are too reliant on gunstrikes for damage. Played a bit against 4 absolute meatballs with ardent edge for practice, it is not bad but it didn't feel the same when I practiced earlier with a proper block weapon on the same setup.
>>2713391When did ignoring idiots in video games become the "extreme" thing to do? Since the beginning of vidya, we've had assholes in chat. We're on 4chan where this was elevated to a art. Block and move on if it bothers you this much. Quitting a game over it and hinging your decision to start another over whether you won't see people being fags in chat is unequivocally something that fits the sort of thinking that makes society insufferable. Again, fag fatigue is fine, but removing yourself from a space that allows you to silence fags is just idiotic.
>>2713431>When did ignoring idiots in video games become the "extreme" thing to do?It's not. But considering you're seething and now having multiple posts talking about totally not caring+ignoring something and moving on (while crying about a day's old post) is quite ironic >>2713413It's ok I'm sure he's about to drop another bombshell on how he REALLY doesn't care but at the same time we should take him super seriously lmao. We def dragged a few stinkers from vg it seems indeed
>>2709671If gay people bother you that much, this game might not be for you.
>>2713451Posting here and quitting a game are very different things, no? I'm not mad, my pulse is normal. We're talking about things, that's different from actually taking more drastic measures. I'm not going to leave this thread or 4chan over someone posting an opinion I disagree with, I'm just going to voice my disagreement. If you think multiple posts are on the same level, that's retarded, Anon.
Bombshell = dropped
>>2711656I hate this CC so fucking much, such levels of slop spam is insane
>>2711043babe wake up it's 2024 again
>>2713510C'mon Anon surely you want daily info about things happening In Space Marine 2, right? The game we're all playing and enjoying? Where there may be bugs but it's not aaaall bad and you can enjoy something if you like it in Space Marine 2. There's nothing wrong with enjoying something low tier but really Bulwark is him In Space Marine 2.Yeah, I'm fucking tired of sloptube too, mostly because it's drowning out the spreadsheeters looking at the actual numbers and coming up with use cases. I wouldn't mind FTG half as much as I do if he went into gameplay breakdowns with his solo runs to at least try and explain himself instead of rattling off a bunch of shit then going into the one successful solo absolute he no doubt grinded for for content. To say nothing of the daily content farming that very very frequently doubles back on opinions.
im starting to like wings of flame now instead of the 10% cd on jump pack kill. you dont have the freedom where you can literally jump pack anywhere 5+ minoris are, but the wings of flame damage is equivalent to bulwark's damage on parry. plus it allows you to dodge so easily, like you can dodge into a charging carnifex for 20 meters away and get your dodge
>>2713544Yeah I've heard folks really liking Wings of Flame for Ops. Never used it myself yet but maybe it'll make Assault feel less.ass.to play when you run out of charges. Does it actually make the perfecf dodge window better?
>>2713413AI will never be ok. The youth are right about this.
>>2713581AI is ok as a tool, just like we used google as a tool for years. The problem is retards using it like retards, slop faggots with no standards, and corporate overlords slopping everything for profit.
>>2713555>Does it actually make the perfecf dodge window better?Yes the entire movement is considered a dodge. You can often dodge into groups of enemies and dodge stray melee attacks. But the playstyle forces you to manage your charges better instead of just having fun killing things.
>>2713394Yeah, and it's fine. Unlike balanced which requires you to fuck up your muscle memory on both fencing and block.
>>2710820>>2710872There's a perk that makes all jetpack dashes perfect dodges even against red attacks. Which reduces the game from>Red=barrel roll and pray, blue = press CTo >Red=press q, blue = press CMuch much easier. Combine it with wings of fire and now you can ram yourself into the guy attacking you to do damage and get a gun strike from it. Only real problem is keeping jetpack charges, there are ways to replenish them faster, but if you manage to find yourself out you'll be in big trouble. When I get home I'll post my sanguineous build to give you an idea
>>2713299hell yeah brother
>>2713605What Wings of Flame specifies as perfect dodges is just a bizarre clarification.>Jump pack dodge deals damage when perfect dodging an attack>But also just using a jump pack dodge counts as a perfect dodge, so the damage activatesIt's why even when you fubar a dodge and don't get the slowdown, it still deals AOE damage to everything around you.
>>2713670Someone with more Assault xp correct me on this, that's what I got in my limited time with the class:You usually take WoF with Commitment so you get the charge back. BUT it only counts as a perfect dodge if you dodge an attack in the right way. It doesn't always proc when you dodge an attack. AND there is a secret cooldown on Commitment, so if you do the perfect jump pack dodge twice you'll only regain it on the first instance, not on the second.
>>2713605>>2713670here you go
>>2713680No Matrix slo-mo = Not perfect (Irrelevant to Wings of Flame itself)Not perfect = Commitment no activateThis is why you take Strong Strikes as a backup, so a jump dodge attack can refund you.
this bug is the only problem with wings of flame
>>2713720Yep, assault just has way too many bugs and no regen.
>>2713680there is no cool down for commitment and for it to count as a perfect dodge, the attack needs to hit your hitbox during your invincibility frames. with wings of flame this counts for the entire dodge, but without it it only counts the beginning or your animation. its way easier to trigger it if you dodge directly into a majoris that is attacking you
>>2713299No. Although I wouldn't be apposed to it.I prefer to smoke weed. Helps me focus so I can play better actually.
>>2713391>>2713658>>2713362Cheers brothers, to the Emperor!>>2713801If weed helps you focus, you may have ADHD, Anon.
>>2713283I mean, I'd block people that ran cancer in armored core 6 lobbies all the time. Every time I dove into another sesh, I added like at least 7 people to the list.Eventually, I'd be waiting for hours to gather enough people to start a match, because I basically blocked the whole community, because everything I hated became meta shit that everybody (ab)used. Eventually, I only played with a group of friends I thought I was on the same page with, dedicated to playing it every day. Until half of them randomly counter picked me with cancer, and then coordinated together to gank me an entire seven minute match. Right after just helping them balance a bunch of their matches by throwing them, because my team kept ending up too strong.After that, I quit armored core.It sounds like his experiences with absolute fucking faggots were less common and less game breaking than mine, but everyone has different levels of tolerance for playing with people that shit up your game in one way or another. Maybe he puts a lot of stock in immersion, and these people pull him out of it with their "uwu x3" shit every single one of his seshes. I can see that adding up to becoming frustrating enough to become a valid reason to quit said game.
>>2713863I mean, yeah, we all have different thresholds. I've been very, very easy to frustrate the past two weeks and blocked so many people on SM2. Mostly Playstation fags who were on open mic (not communicating, just their whole house on speaker) and people who run anything but the nade perk on Tac. Yeah, I can be a spiteful cunt too, but honestly, we're kinda pathetic for it, aren't we? People can be so shit, but it's the mark of a true man to be able to tolerate that and stand above it.
>>2713877Well, when it comes to the point where you're looking to get a certain experience out of a game, and a group of people the game is forcing you to play with keep keeping you from that experience, I don't think duty really comes into it.It gets to a point with some of these games where they literally begin to become unplayable if the people you're playing with or against are shitty enough. It gets to a point where they literally aren't worth "playing" anymore, because they're multiplayer games that are reliant on other people, and most of those people suck fuckin' dick, on top of there being no specific search function to filter them out with, other than codes you need to clunkily post and pray on third party messaging software like this or pissscord.
>>2713901Yes, I think we agree there is a point where it ceases to be resilience and becomes subservience and self-denial. But to take my own example, blocking tacs who don't take the nade perk is not a rule anyone should follow. It's not a fault serious enough to warrant blocking. It's egotism do to so. And we must always ask ourselves whether the reasons why we get frustrated are legitimate and adequate. Because ultimately, we are denying ourselves joy by isolating (= blocking others) ourselves. Sometimes that's legitimate, but we should always evaluate properly. Else, we just give in to the heresy that is rage.
Does the little pistol counter / execute damage change determining on which side arm you're using?
>>2713926Gunstrike damage is different for each pistol, yes, determined primarily by its regular damage
>normal Siege>Ranking up my bulwark with a techmarine bro>a little shaky starting things out but he picks it up and we own. Buying techpriests and turrets holding the line.>Get a little too cocky so we try for wave 20 >Goes good until we run into vortex beast>Goes about as well as you would think. He wrecks everything like godzilla and all we can really hope to do in response is parry and run.>Focuses me down, but Im bulwark so I don't have to just take that. >Actually land the killing blow>Cool execute? Reward for dealing with the big bad threat? NAWBRO IMMA EXPLODE IN YOUR FACE!If saber gave us an execution for vortex beast like the other bosses he would be 35% more tolerable. You wanna have a darksouls boss you can have a darksouls boss, but you give me a reward when I beat him
>>2713932Play siege as much as you can because the update will make it unplayable with the ubernerf to the Techpriest resource generation.
>>2713926It does, not sure if picrel is up to date but it should give you the general idea. Remember that plasma pistol trumps HBP because it damages all enemies around the target.
>>2713931>>2713939Cool, thanks.
>>2713935Horseshit, techpriests are most important early on unless you go for waves past 15. Honestly, anyone who just plays for the doritos won't notice the difference.
>>2713949Randoms already don't buy the Techpriest unless you scream at the mic on them, much less properly killing enemies so they don't wander off and kill one during the early waves.They ubernerfed the Techpriest resource generation so that even wave 15 players will only have barely enough to deal with a Vortex Beast or Terminator sorcerer.Can't mass buy ammo boxes anymore for grenade launcherbros, Deep Pockets will be removed by next patch.
>>2713877I just block anyone who's total dogshit, eventually I'll filter out enough of the chaff to get matched into lobbies with half decent players
>>2713939Is the Neo-Volkite pistol even any good? I've seen it used a few times but the discourse usually comes down to Heavy Bolt vs Plasma from what I've seen
>>2713979Anon, it's genuinely unnecessary to buy tech priests to finish wave 15 on Hard. Just play Tech, buy turrets and have the AoE servo.
>>2713993Great for bosses. Most weapons in the game are fine, Plasma and Heavy Bolt are just the top choices.
>>2713993it has its niche, its nice for melting terminus and isn't terrible against majoris but the dreams of getting big chain explosions will happen maybe once every 3 ops and its far slower at thinning minoris swarmsHeavy pistol is liked for having great damage, both gunstrikes and its entire ammo reserve, while plasma gets you instant stagger on demand which can be life saving at times so they just have better all around usage
>>2713992>>2713877This is why Space Marine 2 and even 3 needs an ELO rating, level/prestige filter for Operations/Stratagems, Siege and PVPELO rating tracks how many Absolute/hardest difficulty/hard stratagem victories in total per class, how many times you quit/disconnected and how many times you've beaten said hardest difficulty games without dying and even the number of times you've beat it on your first tryFor siege it tracks how many hard siege waves you've completed, your average maximum point score as well as your average ranged and melee score penalized on the number of incapacitations and deathsPVP is easy, just count how many kills and assists you have per deathsHave it churn a number and you can now see which people are absolute shitters, normal teammates and godmode players
>>2714006That's a great suggestion! Anyway, here's a new game mode to partition the playerbase even further: ....
>>2714006I don't really want actual stats and having to obsess over my performance each op, I'd rather just have some form of soft skill gating that keeps shitters down in the lower difficulties like how you have to clear lethal to unlock absolute (although I guess you still have the problem of people getting carried by 2 good players in a Lethal lobby to unlock Absolute)
>>2714006It's funny because my sober, anal self would agree with you but my drunk, relaxed self thinks you just need to not be such an autist. Nine times out of ten, it doesn't matter that the randoms in lutes are shit. It's just the tenth time that it fails because of them. But a system like you suggest would result in drastically worse queuing times and just make the game more shit overall. We're our own worst enemies, Anon.
>>2714028>Nine times out of ten, it doesn't matter that the randoms in lutes are shit
>>2714012>>2714015>>2714028if they're not perfect, they're a complete failurethey should perfect their skills before throwing themselves out there
Just have a level and prestige filter in the options, turned off by default.>level filter1-25>prestige filter0 (no prestige) - 4Have it come with a warning screen that turning it on and tuning it may prolong lobby joining, with a hold Enter key for 5 seconds to activate it.
>>2714041>>2714047Anons, seek not failure in others, eradicate it in yourself first.
>>2714047I actually don't even mind if the run is a little scuffed I just don't want people who ragequit instantly or are so bad I'm trying to solo 3 minutes into the match before getting gangbanged and sent to the mission failed screenas long as we clear, it's goodI guess if I had an ELO filtering system I'd want it to apply negative penalties to anyone who dies first and then leaves the lobby, and maybe to people who die quickly and then the mission fails. Successful operations on that difficulty would then sorta reset your ELO, maybe not fully but 1 win = 2 losses or somethingPeople who are really bad and don't belong in lethal/absolute would probably lose more often than win and eventually end up dragged down to the hellish underhive where they're forced to play on low difficulty until they work off their penalty and hopefully get better at the game
>>2714138I leave when I'm playing like shit because a bot is better than me at that point. Do you really want to have to get me up every wave?
>>2714151Sorta, my ideal would be you play on a lower difficulty if you're not going to lock inBut I'd also have the penalty be a bit less harsh if you at least TRIED to play the match before leaving cause I've had guys leave as soon as we enter combat with the first wave of trash like why did you even queue up bro
level and prestige filters will ensure every guy who's on 200+ hours will set it to max ensuring only a handful will be around to carry newbs and shitters aroundas these newbs and noobs hit max level and prestige they too will set their filters to max but at least they won't bother veterans while they're grinding and leveling upthey should let those green, purple and gold data to be exchanged into maxing out a weapon's experience, even if they take 2-4 per tier; like grey to green eats up 2 green data, green to purple eats up 3 purple data and purple to gold eats up 4 gold data and maxing out gold eats 2 more gold data
>>2714159I see, so you're more complaining about people not even trying. Yeah, I try to always do my best when I go into Lutes, but I recently started practicing Assault and I was doing fine on Lethal. Then I queued Lutes and I just completely failed, so I quit out so someone more competent could hopefully join in my stead.
If a player dies twice during a mission, Suspicious Behavior turns on automatically and you can now decimate the lesser squad member.
>Tacticals are abusing nade launcher with kraken rounds in siege>Let's nerf tech priest and buff enemies instead of fixing the issue, blyatQuintessential gopnik design.
okay yay i finished the campaign yay :)
>>2714233They'll remove Deep Pockets and nerf the grenade launcher even more, the Pyreblaster is dogshit now so Tacticals are using the heroic HBR and Plasma Incinerator.
>>2714234Congrats Anon :) Now begins the grind!
watch Saber fuck up Chaos siege by having the Chaos Marines use loyalist weaponry because they only designed bolters and chainswords for them
>>2714258you've just literally never touched the pvp, huh
I still need to go back and play the story now that I'm not dogshit at the game
>>2714288enjoy your balanced timings
>>2714006My Brother in the Emprah, these vatniks haven't had any system in place that'd track our completed ops up until cape ordeal release. It's one of the reasons we had the grind to begin with. I completely agree with having ELO rating system. It'd be great, but you're expecting too much and giving Saber far too much credit. They can't do it.Also,I've checked their forums and there are so few "Level/Player filters" ideas that I'm starting to believe that idiotic discord mentality completely seeped in there as well and those threads/ideas are being deleted on purpose.It's such a simple QoL addon that not putting it in game is outright malicious.
>>2714304>Also,I've checked their forums and there are so few "Level/Player filters" ideasPosting or suggesting it on their official Discord will literally get you banned for a month.
>>2714293I'll live, I've been mostly using Balanced to not crutch myself too hard
>>2714306Not true btw, Anons get banned for posting their suggestions with Nigger attached.
i made my guy orange :)
>>2714322Very odd. It seems like they just wanted to get the point across.
>>2714477Your orange will never beat my pink >:)
>>2714477but orange man bad>>2714513The camera angle of this picture makes me uncomfortable
holy shit the cutscene broke also this guy is going to install the other magos into a fleshlight
>>2714249>the Pyreblaster is dogshit nowNo.
>>2714249Thanks to the other Anon for highlighting this idiotic post.The Pyreblaster is fine. Completely fine. Just because Auspex burn damage is nonexistant now doesn't mean it's shit because most of the time, Auspex wasn't up anyways. Burn is fine. Maybe more of an argument now to not take the final Burn+ perk.
I wonder if they’ll ever convert bits from the heavy’s chests into tabards, so other classes can know the joy of dangling a bunch of skulls right next to their balls
>>2714513Ah, the Prestigio Challenge Marine...
Guys, is it gay to want to be a Space Marine?
>>2714249you can still just use heroic plasma pistol on your auspex targets
>>2715097Depends on the chapter.
>>2715107I hope you're not implying slaanesh astartes are gaythey're the only ones who fuckis it straight to be entirely celibate, but only hang around men you call brother all day?
>>2715123I just love how smug this fucker looks. Also he probably IS gay, but so gay it goes back around being straight. Like he's gay but his degenerate fetish is impregnating women.
>>2715130I love how straight you look when you post codes.
>Heavy can equip the new Raptors pack's shoulder-pieces, which are not Gravis armor and look weird on him>Heavy cannot equip the Raptors grenade bandolier chestpiece
>>2715507The amount of shit that's made me think "surely this will be changed by the final release" has accumulated to a point of no hope. It's made me think that this may end up being one of, if not the worst update so far. I have no faith in Saber.
>>2715507Well you see, heavy got actual new armor this time, so there was nobody on the art team to copy paste a few assets onto the same base piece they use for all new gravis chests. Wouldn’t want to overwork the devs ))))Also fuck me I really wish they’d give “clean” versions of some of these champion pieces. That chest would be perfect for so many other chapters if it weren’t covered in salamander icons
>>2715507Don't get me started on heavy hogging all the gravis armor.
>>2715583At least the helmet will be usable. Mk7fags are gonna eat pretty well between that and the raptor helmet.
>>2715714I’m going to use the Raptors helmet and Salamanders chest piece to try and ape the Castellan model as well as we can on heavy. Possibly the champion legs too since those are more firstborn, but I think that will make it too salamandery. Shame there’s no other vox caster chest piece.
