>>2739453
It almost certainly will get reverted. There's a major backlash against it already and null is a big enough source of subs that CCP can't not listen to them.

Look at scarcity, it might as well have been a nullsec genocide and CCP stuck with it until the game nearly died. They won't make the same mistake again. Null's going to remain broken and EVE Online will just be this sunk cost fallacy kept alive by guys boxing 200 alts in null.

You can argue about minutiae but the fact remains that EO has so much unsolved issues around many fundamental systems that the game will never be good/"fixed". The sheer amount of efficient organization players can muster already defeats any attempts at rebalance and invalidates anything but the biggest and gayest megabloc.

>>2739659
I think it might get reverted a little but not fully. Like how the original Jump changes back in the day were much harsher then got basically nerfed to shit.
Or how Skyhooks were accessible 24/7 originally, and now only have a 1h window.

>Nullbabs having a meltie over not being able to teleport their 60,000 friends around the whole universe instantly again.
what happened

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>>2740062
Surprise update couple days ago prevents coalition members and blues from using Ansis.
Only Alliance members can use them now.

sounds cool, but I had hoped for more

>>2740062
they increased fighting

What's the best ship for Superior Covert Sites? I always run out of space in a Buzzard/Astero because of those bullshit items they have in there that take up lots of space, but are worth quite a bit

>>2739659
they are terrified of letting null groups actually fight
look at zarzakh when it was available, nonstop action but nope, not allowed to have that so lets destroy it
pre-scarcity, nonstop action, can't have that so lets completely fuck the market for years and still dealing with the after effects

>>2744641
You should be able to jetcan stuff in the middle of site and continue hacking. Just come back for the stuff you tossed after the rats leave, they won't blow it up.

Uh there is an Algos skin on twitch, if anyones interested.

>>2744674
>nonstop action
Not really, it was just FRAT/INIT/Snuffed showing up anywhere in the universe in 2-3 jumps.
Devs have always been against infinite power projection.

>>2747695
>infinite power projection
>can only fight your neighbors
yeah, naa

Fozzie was right, he wanted to fight the oversights of yeeting to anything in the galaxy in minutes.

>fozzie
>right

their top balance guys always say the right things, then give us rifter +50 hull

>top tier balance guys
who are those again

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>>2750709
>nerfed Rifter fixing overall T1 frigate balance
>gradually spend the next 15 years buffing it with +50 hull changes
>now its a top tier frigate again
All part of his master plan

Just make new conquerable space that doesn't allow cynos or jump bridges. Problem solved.

>i want free kills

>>2754285
I assure you the only people dying in my wormhole system are visitors.

>wormholes
>matter

Ewar drones should be given some damage to make them worth using. Or replace ewar drones with a module that gives regular combat drones ewar effects.

>>2754131
Remove c5-6 and buff low class WHs to be worth living in. Introduce deep low class systems with only J-space statics.

It's extremely funny to me that FC just dropped more content essentially unannounced in a random patch than they do in most expansions (that is to say, there was actual content added at all).

>>2756744
>dropped more content essentially unannounced in a random patch than they do in most expansions
Yeah I dont know why they do that.
Like it makes me wonder how much time they waste just having random meetings/data analysis and fucking around instead of just coding/adding/balancing shit.

>>2744641
i do them in a navy heron which has plenty of space for a mobile depot and refittings plus loot, but i also am a retard who has not finished cloaking 4 yet

learned that mutated ice/gas harvested do not reprocess into abyss goo
oh well
retri is fun at least

>>2756744
the drone sites? that's old content, they were just disabled

wormhole nerfs when

>>2756744
The bar is so incredibly low even FCCP sometimes manages to tumble over it.

>>2757523
>instead of just coding/adding/balancing shit
They do. Just not for EO.

>>2754297
That's because you are hiding cloaked.

You can only ansiblex 50 cruisers before it runs out of cap, that is what's being put forward.

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>>2760010
>oh no we cant all just sit in one staging system and deploy 2500 people 100 jumps away at a minute's notice

>cap
cool, but it should cost more money to use as well, and have shorter range

>>2761170
It should just be gone. It won't fix things long term because nullsec will just require people to keep alts in different hubs around space, but it'll at least help.

I'd prefer to keep things like this in the game, but just make them situational, expensive, and easy for hostiles to fuck with

ansi changes wont make any empire smaller

everybody is just coping
the blob is simply too big

faggot

slamjam pls come back

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The event last week was fun, got my purple stabilizer. $$

>Minmatar

>>2739453
Played this many years ago.

Is it at all viable currently to play the game for free? How hard is it to farm credits to buy plex?

>>2772921
sure but you're locked out of a ton of shit
lmao

>>2772928
Such as?

>>2772942
Lv4 missions and tech 2/3 ships mostly so Omega only matters if you plan on doing those.
Don't mine but if you insist on mining go for gas instead which you can do as alpha.
Omega is only 2.5bil which isn't very hard to make if you actually play the game, or pick it up on sale for $12.

Cormorant skin on twitch
yw

is this game worth playing if i don't want to multibox?

>>2772921
>How hard is it to farm credits to buy plex?
Easy if you know what to do, but it's still slow. 20 hours of Homefronts is enough to buy one month of gametime, or incursions if you're into those. I still don't recommend it though.

>>2774665
Loud multibox minority can be mostly ignored. They're nearly always irrelevant players like miners or highsec gankers.
If you dont plan on doing either of those you almost never need to multibox.

>>2775077
this guy's retarded

>>2774665
there's still good stuff you can do but you'll always be at a disadvantage

>>2775232
what are the most prevalent use cases of multiboxing?

>>2776124
cyno alts
scouting alts
fw plexing (plus a couple other things that pay out to everyone on grid like fobs)
frig abyss
industry as a whole due to how limited slots are even with all three characters on an account
any f1 sections in a fleet, broadly
backpack logi/ewar

>>2771617
>the blob is simply too big
and why is that an issue?

The problem isn't that blobs are too big is that they can send their entire blob to ruin midscale fights on the other side of the map in 15 minutes, nobody is allowed to exist that is small remotely near them.

>>2776124
Scouts, cynos and scanners. I have 3 virtue scanners and 5 more regular shit scanners and I feel like I need an extra account for 3 more scanners desu.

>>2776124
>multibox mining
>multibox running Homefronts
>owning a capital ship (2 accounts is basically required)
>high tier frigate abyss
>scouting yourself if you have no friends
>if you're Chinese in Faction Warfare
>if you're Chinese in nullsec
>if you're an RMT in Pochven

Alt characters (not multiboxxing) is much more common and normal.
You use them for all sorts of stuff, industry slots, market slots, research slots, FW alts, PI alts, scanning alts, scanning alts, scanning alts and also scanning alts.
Even having a few low/medium SP characters just parked in different parts of space lets you quickly go to different areas to find content without having to travel. Eve's universe is pretty massive compared to other MMOs so anything you can do to cut down travel time frees up like half of your playtime.

Is multiboxxing 5-10 accounts logged in at the same time a thing?
Sure, but you wont even consider it unless you do specific content.
But you will probably own 2-3 accounts with 3 characters on each without actually logging on them at the same time.

Haven’t played in about 10 years, since PIZZA.

Is the player count accurate, or are most of them just multiboxers?

>>2779477
About half to two thirds are multiboxers.

>>2779477
divide it by three for a rough heartbeat count
there's people who singlebox and there's 'people' who ten or twenty box

>PIZZA

>>2779519

CCP revealed at fanfest a few years ago that the average accounts-per-player is 1.5, most players in this game are just giga casual hiseccers

>>2779738
Per player includes the kind of people who picked up the game once and never came back along with the ultra-casual "I've solo mined/missioned for the last ten years and never even interacted with another player beyond getting geanked" type. Doing anything significant in the game will have you run in to multiboxers.

For example, among incursion runners, roughly 3/4s of the playerbase plays at least two accounts at once. In Brave in nullsec, at least half of players multibox and in PH back in the day, it was even worse. Don't even get me started on wormhole corps, I'm not sure there's a single player in j-space that doesn't multibox in some fashion.

You are correct however in that high sec is the area of the game with the least amount of multiboxing (And consequently the highest amount of actual players vs accounts). At least in high sec, multiboxing only gets you more ISK/hr rather than something essential to functioning like a spare scout in wormhole space.

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>>2779528

>>2779794

>"I've solo mined/missioned for the last ten years and never even interacted with another player beyond getting geanked"

this is actually just most of the playerbase tbqh

I think you would be suprised just how much of horde was single boxing andys, the way blocs function you don't really "need" alts unless you want to make isk. You don't ever "need" your own cyno because FC will be lighting them for you and moveops will be ran for you, you don't "need" to scout because intel channels exist.

obviously having an alt makes this shit 20x easier but most people literally just dont care about playing remotely optimally

>>2779794
>Don't even get me started on wormhole corps, I'm not sure there's a single player in j-space that doesn't multibox in some fashion.

Trying to do anything in wormholes without a dedicated scanner alt is utterly miserable. Having an alt scanner, preferably with virtues is essentially a mandatory part of living there.

whfags will admit these things and still claim it's not a retarded shithole

Dude just stop eating so you can buy subs.

I got called an absolute madman today because my zealot was dual prop. Look man that's not even remotely the most offensive thing about the fit, but it worked and I got two kills with it.

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>Not Omen

invention jobs are so fucking slow

>>2739453
>Nullbabs having a meltie over not being able to teleport their 60,000 friends around the whole universe instantly again.
QRD?

>>2786020
Ansiblexes got nerfed so non-Alliance members cant use them anymore and they have limited capacitor so only about 50 ships can go through them before they have to recharge for a while.

>ansi's are broken
>all the other instant escape tools are fine

>>2789334
but they aren't being changed for escape reasons

>>2790087
they are being changed because ccp is scared of letting people fight

>>2790764
Then live/deploy where the fight is, dont try to fight wars 150 jumps away like a retard.

Punching you, with hard hitting beam lasers.

Is faction warfare any good? I've been thinking of joining the Guristas and haven't played since before they were even a thing really

>Not Amarr

Can it be explained why the Sisters of Eve are more aligned with minmatar?

>>2793469
>Why is this NGO aligned with the third world

>>2792936
I'm a tranny sorry I don't think you want me

>>2792912
It used to be serious money for multiboxing, but that's mostly been curved. So it's better now if you're a solo/duo boxing player but worse if you're trying to print billions of LP.

I farmed two Loggerheads before CCP changed the sites, it was great.

>>2793961
I mostly just want to fuck around with people 2-3 man roams in null where kino before I quit a few years ago so just trying to recapture that I guess

>>2791697
and then what

>>2792912
the minmar warzone has been fun
as far as i know calgal is dead as hell and occupied exclusively by farmers

>>2792912
>Empire
Yes
>Pirate
No.

Only reason to do Pirate FW is if you specifically need to farm the Net Resonators yourself for whatever reason it's infested with Chinese botters and seagulls.
Empire FW is fairly good since the expansions/updates over the last few years. Seagulls will be a bit annoying, Battlefields got nerfed so hard no-one does them anymore and a lot of the big FW groups that used to have big fights have all deployed to null to try and scoop up some Dronelands territory.

Caldari is all afk farm bots farming actually worthless LP.
Gallente is an uphill battle so that can be fun if you want to be the Spartans in 300.
Amarr is fairly dead I heard and doesnt really have any main groups.
Minmatar is still the most organised/best but they spend most of their time in nullsec lately.

>>2795119
Sucks too that pirate FW isn't going to be getting any updates anytime soon, devs are all in on the empires. And the stupid military campaigns give you absolutely shit to do on them, I've had every single Amarr objective complete and can't get rewards anymore and just been waiting for objectives to finish so I can start progressing the thing again. At least make it so doing objectives after you've finished hacking your four sites or whatever still gives progress.

>>2795139
>devs are all in on the empires.
Makes sense.
Pirate FW was a cool idea but Insurgencies just didnt turn out as cool as people hoped, but people still really like the Empire FW.
At least changes to the economy have made ships nice and cheap again.
No-one wanted to fight in anything bigger than frigates back when a fitted cruiser was 60mil.
Now you can shitfit one for under 15mil and even if you're fucking broke you can just welp them.

>>2795119
Thanks <3 I might check out Gallente or Amarr if pirate sucks that fucking much then lol

>I'm a tranny
you want caldari then surely

>>2797708
Gallente have items referencing furries if anything I want that lol
Does anyone actually play this fucking game anymore? Everyone I know is now just in a big retarded block it seems even faction warfare is the same way

>>2797994
It's impossible to accomplish anything of note without being in a massive bloc. And if you've been playing this game long enough and been taking an active role in the universe, you basically wind up acquainted with every other mover and shaker in the game. I can't show up to a random op anymore without semi-personally knowing both the attackers and defenders and having history with each of them.

>>2798027
True I guess kind of a shame

>>2797994
A lot of the best ways to make isk dont require being in a big bloc anymore so lot of ppl running solo or in a 5man corp with their friends.
FW is pretty ad-hoc though and most serious FW ppl have alts in every militia and just jump to where the gudfites are.

>It's impossible to accomplish anything of note without being in a massive bloc
showing up for blob ops (without pay) doesn't count as accomplishing something

>>2798027
>I can't show up to a random op anymore without semi-personally knowing both the attackers and defenders and having history with each of them.
A lot of people lean into that though and just roll with being frienemies.
People change corps/alliances all the time, its not a big deal.

>>2798590
what does count

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>>2779841
>most people literally just dont care about playing remotely optimally
must people aren't faggots that aspire to suck all the fun out of their own entertainment past time, in other words, most people aren't German

I think under-estimate multi-boxing.
The position many have in these threads is always divided.
Dumb to trust CCP statistics, I'm confident that any player who has been playing eve for at least 2 years has at least 2 accounts. Which is probably 80% of the playerbase.
When I do play, I vary from 5 to 10 accounts.
There was a youtube video of a recent mass multi-boxer who literally had over 80 accounts. The video is deleted, so perhaps he was banned or just concealing.
He was using some sort of external program, that was external to the machines he was running.
He was playing the game like a fucking RTS.
I'm not sure how good the cheat detection is, but I am curious if they have any way to detect players who are using external programs.
Perhaps their ban waves only target the most sloppy multi-boxers, as I feel that at least 2/3rd of the EO player base is using 5 or more accounts.
You almost HAVE to multi-account, as the game is built around ship roles.
You could try to run a solo ship, but the EO solo experience feels horrible.
Then you can team up, but for some reason the game feels less fun when working as a team in a large blob.

>>2807916
Honestly, EVE should've just retooled the game to function as an RTS since that's how most people play the game. There wouldn't be any problem with "multiboxing" if you just controlled all units from a single client and it was something you could seamlessly scale up or down.

>>2807966
AI game generation might be cringe, but maybe I should just generate a knock-off of eve-online but make it play as an RTS.
Ship/Unit counts would probably get absurd if the game went on for too long though, I would have to have a galactic reset back to 0 every few months or something.

>>2807966
that doesn't really work with stuff like cyno alts, does it

>>2808017
Why not? You'd just have multiple views.

>>2807916
People always cry about multiboxxing and point to the highsec miners making 10mil/hr per retriever like its supposed to be a big deal.

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>>2807966
>that's how a handful of autists play the game
ftfy

>>2808007
There are some fairly robust Eve mods for Stellaris actually, the New Eden map is shit balls gigantic and its easy as piss to put your own Eve factions in even without mods

Amarr shuttle skin on twitch up

>>2808808
It's really not, multiboxing is widespread and commonplace in the game. Most corps and even alliances cannot function without it.

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The new AT Cruiser can fit two heavy neuts with nearly 200km range.

Amarr ships are naturally resistant to that.

>>2779477
Who in Pizza? Contact NonZtop if you want to get recruited

Contact NonZtop if you want to get fucked in the ass by tranny niggers with aids.

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>Pizza

>>2739453
>AMARR

>>2744641
Where do you reliably find those? C1-C3?

Hello vmiggers, I just installed eve. I used to crab on a drake around dominion times and do other stuff in ru corps. Is there a digestible "get into the game" somewhere? I think I want to crab missions on caldari for now again, until I remember the controls.

I see there are now some rewards, but the skill system seems to have stayed the same, right?

>>2821419
I just googled, no one even uses the word crab anymore. How times have changed...

>>2821439
crabbing refers to specific nullsec rat sites now, idk what it used to be
>skill system has stayed the same
sort of? nowadays everyone just buys skill injectors to get into whatever they need their alt to do instead of slowly training into it

>>2821507
How do the injectors work? You can just instabuy a skill?

>>2821844
pay money or isk > receive SP that you can put in whatever skill (it goes to the same pool as the SP from daily/career rewards)
there's a special sale going on right now for it too

>>2821863
Right, the paypig I am I bought a month of plex directly and gotten myself 100k of bonus points, which I immediately wasted, got it.
Ty anon.

>>2821419
If you're just looking for a short explanation on how to crab missions in 2026, your drake should still work. You can be even safer by equipping a Micro Jump Drive since mission rats can't stop you from using it and it'll put you 100km away from them, ensuring you can warp out of any situation. As for progression doing missions, the normal progression is Drake -> Raven -> Golem or Drake -> Cerberus -> Tengu if you want something smaller or Drake -> Alligator -> Rattlesnake if you want something exotic. Use whatever missile type the rat is weak against, tailor your tank to match the damage they deal, have fun. Note that a Rattlesnake or Golem will attract gankers over time.

If you just want money, find groups that do incursions or homefronts, both are easy to get into and pay well for high sec.

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How do I make bank with Skinr?

>>2822917
Be already space-famous and convince your retard followers to buy your shit.

>>2821419
They removed learning skills, clone types and losing sp from not updating your clone and then eventually even losing sp from t3 cruiser loss.

I think that game would be far more interesting in a "no multibox" server. but that won't happen... as it brings them less money

>>2822613
Thank you anon. I don't have my old accounts, I created a new one, so I am a blank slate now. I think I'll still target the drake, and maybe instead go for some fw corp. For now I am completing the different intro quests to remember mechanics and stuff.

>>2824579
Oh wow, that is interesting. Thank you as well.

>>2824648
Different anon here.
Other good strong low SP PVE ships that can do a bit of everything are shit like the Vexor/Arby kind of drone ships, the Caracal/Drake/Raven kind of missile ships, or Praxis.
Praxis has a 9-day skillplan somewhere that gets you strong enough to run wormhole sites, events and 10/10s that might be worth looking at.
Gila & other guristas ships are pretty good but pricy for what you get, well worth being able to fly those too if you can.
Worm is essential for alpha abyssals, Rattle is a proper big-boy endgame subcap and Gila is the one-size-fits-all does-everything memeship.

Do your dailies every day to keep gradually getting SP, do AIR Career Program (like achievements) and you'll get 750k SP finishing all of those, get the 1mil SP recruitment link from someone (or refer yourself) and log on during events for even more SP.

>>2827550
Ty as well.
The free rp shower is a bit crazy to come back to. I already got the first 75k from air, and the 1mil from some fw corp. I don't even know what to spend it all on [spiler]fuck off I won't be spending it on the le magic 14[/spoiler].

Gotten myself a corax and some skills for it, doing the sisters of eve arc for now.

Also, how do I travel nullsec for small shopping of cheap stuff? Condor with sub 2s align, and should be good, right, as long as I don't go to some retarded place where its 24/7 gatecamp?

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>Drake

I see there is also official in game ludo offering, raffles and hypernet. That is pretty funny. What's the point? The one doing the raffle takes significantly more money than he would on a normal sale?

>>2827701
>how do I travel nullsec for small shopping of cheap stuff?
dont, basically.
Buy your stuff in trade hubs. You dont usually shop around in Eve.

Time is money, its worth paying an extra % to just buy everything at the trade hub in one shopping/loot-selling trip than it is to spend an hour flying around a bunch of places to buy it marginally cheaper.

Train for jump clones, alpha gets 1 pretty sure.
That sub-2sec Condor should be a good travel fit.
Put Hyperspatial rigs on it so it warps even faster.

>>2828147
>The one doing the raffle takes significantly more money than he would on a normal sale?
Just like a raffle in RL yeah.
Buy $100 item.
Sell 120 tickets for $1 each.
Pocket the $20 profit.

Hypernet has a lot of scams in it, but ppl use it to trade rare/expensive shit sometimes.
I dont really fuck with it, but it can be fun once in a blue moon to just buy 1 node on a random pirate Battleship or something and once in a while you might win one, but like any gambling the house always wins.

>>2828164
That much is obvious of couse. Somehow the launchers I wanted were not readily available (20 jumps away or in lowsec). Looked like bait, but was nothing I could not afford to loose, so I checked the kills last hour and went in-out.
How would a jumpclone have helped here though, I don't get it.

Ty as well for the advice.

>>2828171
Yeah, I figured, thx. How would a scam look like? Shit items for a very large price?

Lasers hit really hard.

>>2828323
It's not really a scam, it's more a consequence of the seller able to bid on their own item
>100m item
>Goes on hypernet for 10 nodes of 14m
>Seller buys 5 nodes
>Bidders buy 5 nodes
>If the seller wins the 50/50, they get their item back, the 70m they spent on nodes back, and the 70m from other bidders, they turned 170m to 240m
>If they lose they lose their item but keep the 140m from the bids, they turned 170m to 140m

Over a long enough time period, the seller always wins. In practice the flat fee on every bid eats away at some profits, that's why it's pretty much always huge items up for raffle.

>>2828323
Oh JC was just general advice.
Hopefully whereever you set up home there's some sort of hub nearby.

>>2831874
Now that I am done with blood-stained stars, I crawled to poinen (3 jumps from jita), since there are a lot of t2 agents. I'll run missions to get an MTU and a caracal.
Watched the map yesterday, does not seem like there is a lot of ganking going on yesterday, but I already feel I am gonna regret it, there is like 15 ship kills in obanen & leikuri today in the last hour. Checked zkill, and its all ganks.

>>2828781
Got it, ty

>>2831931
Caldari lp is worth shit since it's heavily farmed in highsec and the same items are available in Caldari fw store when they have the most bots and randos flying around doing fw sites.

Hookbills is all you need, and they're dirt cheap.

>Full clear the new rogue drone fabricator site
>Pays out 3b ISK for six hours of work

>>2837675
I heard about em here and there. What are they exactly?
What ships do ppl run them in?
Is it soloable or does it require 5 alts like all the other new shit?

>>2837767
It's a site that spawns 100 waves of rogue drones that do nothing but EM/TH damage. You can't really solo all 100 waves, but you can get pretty far with the right ships.

The site has four difficulty tiers determined by how many ships and what types are inside. Easiest tier only lets you take around 10 cruisers or so (Less if they're T2, or battlecruisers, or battleships) and pays out 3-5b depending on what class of wormhole you run them in. Hardest tier is for capital ships like dreads and faxes and spawns a massive amount of drones. Pays out up to 40b ISK if you clear all 100 waves at the highest difficulty in C5/C6 space (Or around 24b if you do the site in C1-C3 space, just as an estimation).

The site's pretty retarded for risk/reward though. You only get the loot if you kill the structure that holds it between waves, and doing so ends the site. So if you start a wave and someone drops you, they can kill you, finish the wave, and loot the site in your place. Normally, that wouldn't be a problem and just the cost of doing business, but because clearing all 100 waves can take around 5-6 hours, it's possible to sit in the site for a long time and lose the loot plus all the ships you brought in.

Damage inside is very split between everyone in the site, and rats swap frequently. Trying to multibox beyond two or three boxes as logistics is way too much effort. Logistics have the hardest time in the site playing whack a mole because the rats all do heavy damage (Between 250-750 DPS depending on ship class, and you can't sig tank any of it).

I've heard one group used Guardians and Harbingers to clear up to wave 73, not sure what they got paid for it. Because the damage is very high but the DPS splits, I'm guessing that trying to solo or a very small fleet can't really handle it all. Loot for the site is weighted so that clearing wave 50 only gets you like 25% of the total site value, it's the last 30 waves that pay out the most.

>>2837839
One thing that is kind of nice for the site though is that finding a single site can last your fleet hours. In theory, we used to roll our static to run C4 sites, and each roll would be a new wormhole that may or may not have sites up, or have hot connections, or whatever. With this site, we roll our exit and find this one site and can run for the rest of the night. No more rage rolling or ratting time lost to it, we're engaged from the minute we walk into the site until we're done running for the night. It really just needs its payouts adjusted so incursions in high sec don't beat it in payout.

>>2837839
>You can't really solo all 100 waves, but you can get pretty far with the right ships.
So people take a Marauder/Rattlesnake, go until they hit a wave they have to overheat in, loot it and warp out with a couple bil?

>>2837839
It's quite good isk/hr relative to character for up to 3 marauders in low class. Auto-targeting missile Golems clear it very efficiently.

>>2838160
More or less. You go until you get bored or panic, but cutting the site short drops the ISK/hr significantly. I think if you were looking to do the site for income, you'd really want to hit at least wave 50 consistently and wave 70+ would be where you want to make at least half the site's value.

>>2838213
I don't know if I'd want to put that much ISK on grid for two or three hours for it to recoup its costs. It might work, but the risk to reward ratio is far too skewed in my opinion.

>>2838413
You only need to complete 1 fab to wave 60 or so to pay for 3 marauders and it only takes about an hour. Nothing in the site scrams so you can just put a boosher on a perch and the moment you get a new sig you can leave. Or better yet don't, and watch all the tackle get evaporated by the sites.

Marauders aren't that expensive anymore. You can do a competent fit for 1.2b and Mid-grade crystals are cheap as shit (like 300m for the set) and almost guaranteed to escape even if the Marauder dies.

I want to jump into this game but I don't want to/have time to play multiple account aka multiboxing, do any of you guys here only play on a single account?

>>2838532
People multibox because it saves time. A lot of time.

>>2838532
I play a single account to have fun in the game. I multibox to fund my single account activities.

From PvP to PvE, I'd rather run a single box and fully focus on what I'm doing. Abyssal Deadspace, mission running, DED sites, all of those are fine to do with a single box. More boxes in PvP makes you more effective, but every box you add splits your attention and for smaller gang stuff, it's fine to have one character backing a small fleet.

Where multiboxing really dominates is the economy. Multiboxers make far more ISK/hr than a single box because they can run multiple activities at the same time or fill up a fleet on their own. Every additional character is extra industry and PI slots. It's hard to argue that EVE hasn't reached a point where the game expects you to multibox or buy PLEX to be economically viable, at least in terms of being able to continually buy ships and items from the market to replace your losses. So if you don't multibox, your choices are to buy PLEX for real cash and trade it for ISK, grind like hell to pay for the things you like, or do stuff where you never lose a ship so you don't have to spend money to replace it.

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>Consider consolidating all of my capitals spread all over lowsec
>Actually look at what I'd need to do
>like 30 mids from every corner of space where I've dropped things out of wormholes and decided I'd move them later
>Give up

I have bought a drake today finally :3

I also did a retarded fit:
https://pastebin.com/7U4ktLm2

It was less retarded initially, but it was so sluggish without an mwd...
Is there a way to be less retarded with HAMs?

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>Shield Power Relay II

>>2838532
Most people single box.
Almost everyone has multiple characters/accounts cuz it saves travel time.
Multboxxing is mostly only something you see in specific and honestly very boring activities.
It's been a hot topic recently because there was a big fight in a controversial part of space known for being where a bunch of multiboxxers live, and dudes controlling 70 accounts with macros and claiming they don't.

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>>2739453
Hi, I'm semi-oldfag and I want to play the game again.
Last time I played the game was back in 2012, and I think I played something like 10-12 hours total.
I want to play again, because I see they have opened that Exordium baby kiddie pool for new players.
Can I get some realistic expectations on what I'm about to play? I always liked this game, I just always felt "late" because most corps are lowsec bandits, or blobbed gigacorps.
I really just want to learn how to play the game properly instead of literally do nothing but ratting for 10 hours straight.
Genuine and honest post.

stop posting that retarded pic

Ok then help me instead.

>>2844673
Exordium has very little content, but it is completely safe. You won't make hardly any money in there but you can fly as much as you want without anyone bothering you.

If you're wanting to learn how to play for real, go join an NPSI fleet and fly with them. Most of them hand out ships, so if you meet them in a shuttle, you have nothing to lose. You can learn how to fly with a fleet and how to do PvP/PvE from there.

It’s been like 5/6 years since the Jamal Heresy. Can I join All-Out back finally?

>>2844673
>Can I get some realistic expectations on what I'm about to play?
Space Albion Online with a 10x bigger map and more shit to do.
Worst case, play it for free for a few months.
You can do basically whatever you want in Eve, limited only by your creativity and game knowledge (as in intel, geographical/political knowledge and knowing when to run and when to fight).

In general the game is in a relatively healthy place the last few years. Nothing as huge as the glory days of 2012-2014, but still much more alive than it was in the dark years of 2018~2023.

>>2846569
Does All Out actually do anything?

>>2845979
>You won't make hardly any money in there
Really? Not even a billy?
>>2846636
I was asking about Exordium in particular, but thanks.

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This is not how tracking works, do these dev even play their game?

>>2846849
Idk I just miss Satori. He was a beautiful soul

>>2847010
The only thing that returns anything close to decent ISK in Exordium is blitzing T0 abyss or running homefronts. Missions pay out next to nothing, mining sites yield half of what high sec ores do, and even homefronts only have half the payout you'd normally get.

>>2844673
>>2847010
exordium teaches you the tropes, but it also teaches you some really bad habits like never checking dscan or flying shitfits.
you can spend as much time as you want there, but you should really move outside newbsec eventually.
all those horror stories you may have heard are just stories, the game got significantly more solo-friendly than 15 years ago, and gankers wont bother unless you have hundreds of PLEXes worthy of cargo on you or are flying a blingy fit.

>>2846849
Fuck off we're full

>This is not how tracking works
how is it not

You could save time and money by coming to Amarr facwar

>>2847010
Oh my bad, Exordium is cool but even as a brand new player you'll move on after 1-2 nights.
Its literally Eve's Tutorial Island and its designed for you to want to move out after a couple of days of learning the ropes.
Taxes are high, content there pays like ass and the mining is shit.

I've bitten the bullet, bought a gila, what should I fit it with? 4 LSEs, shield relays?

>>2858665
Passive gila is worse than active because nirvanas are like 3b compared to crystals being 300m. Mid grade crystals are one of the most cost effective boosts to tank at current prices.

why are pve niggers like this

>>2858665
You'll fly it for a bit and realize it's overrated shit for bads.

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Is this some easter egg or something

>>2866940
No, the monoliths appear in a few places.
There's a few sightseeing locations where they just float alone in space like landmarks, maybe some obscure lore post about them you can dig up from the mid-2000's internet n such.
Supposedly there are still 2 scannable sites out there no-one's ever found, but whether that's true or CCP just talking out of their ass is up to you to decide.
Then there are some that roam around like Tom's Shuttle and others.

>>2869632
Having spent like 2 years scanning everything, those two "undiscovered" sites are probably gated behind a wacky impossible to guess sequence of things needed to unlock them, specifically so devs can brag about how they still dont need to update content because theres still new stuff out there.

>>2869641
More likely they're just fucking bugged and nobody ever fixed it.

>>2869641
Maybe that, but there are also just about a dozen extremely rare scannables that only spawn ever few months by a low chance in rare/specific wormholes.
or this >>2870723

this is reminding me that every now and then i find a signal site just called 'ruin' in or around amatar space and i haven't found any info on it. it has a bunch of battleship rats and i haven't fucked with it properly

damn okay this game is pretty cool
can i stay inside exordium indefinitely until i feel ready to go to jita?

>>2895860
Get out of the noob zone immediately. As long as you stay in hisec the space is basically as safe as Exordium. Just don't mine or do abyss withing like 5 jumps of Jita (elevated risk of ganking). or carry expensive stuff (especially PLEX) in untanked slow ships. Ideally, also join a corp outside of HS that teaches and does small gang stuff with noobs (avoid EveUni, nullsec gigablocs or generally any large group that is led by some AFK bureaucracy that you don't get to personally interact with every time you/they are playing).

Now is also the perfect time to stop and think if you want to commit to a 23-y-o MMO that is more or less abandoned by its devs. I'd recommend against it.

>>2895860
>stay in Exordium
leave after a couple of days, once you've done the career agent stuff
>to Jita
dont go to Jita.
it's where ppl buy/sell stuff in BULK and where you buy rare/expensive stuff, but you can shop at any of the hubs for your day to day shopping.
Also, Jita's general area is overcrowded and fairly dangerous (for highsec).
There's nothing honestly worth even doing in Caldari space short of going to Jita, which you can eventually just leave an alt character parked there for Jita shopping.

Depending what content you do, move to where you can find that content.
For most stuff you want a quiet, low traffic backwater maybe 10+ jumps away from a trade hub.
The # of people in Local Chat is how many ppl are in system with you.
Ideally you want Local chat to be almost empty except for you, for most PVE.

just came back to the game and the old nullsec alliance i was in dissolved.

Not sure if i want to join another null corp or do something else. how is faction warfare and poch going these days?

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>>2897790
>FW
got massively revived with Uprising expansion a couple of years ago now. Only complaints are sometimes faggot chinese botters will slide into your plex and take your LP sometimes, but its one of the healthier parts of the game right now
>null corp
null's kind of stagnant and they've just been sitting around, spinning Ishtars and refusing to fight each other.
It's the same its ever been and the income is trash unless you're running KRAB beacons or buying 10/10s from ppl to run with a Black Ops.
Otherwise you're clocking in for shifts making 60mil/hr with your Ishtar/mining ship (nullfags will try to upsell you and say the isk is higher but it isn).
>Pochven
Irrelevant RMT multiboxxer space.
People 50-box clients (totally legitimately trust me guys lmao) and print a few trillion a month.
To 99% of the playerbase its just the region you teleport to for 15min between taking shortcut filaments to back to highsec.

>>2902096
you do 10s in a blops???

>>2902154
You can do it with a Praxis if you want, but yeah safest way to do them is to fly an alt out to the system its in and just covert cyno your blops over.
I use a Typhoon and just kite everything.
Also different 10/10s vary in difficulty a bit depending on the faction.

>>2902096
I found fw very unfun. You get into a constant state of wardec, and can't travel anywhere anymore, and the gameplay is "afk for 15 minutes on a beacon" with some pvp inbetween. It's very close to mining gameplay-wise

>>2902516
>You get into a constant state of wardec, and can't travel anywhere anymore
Yeah thats why ppl either do it on alts, use alts for hauling/shopping/other content, or you just enlist for a night or two when you wanna do it and unenlist when you're done. 24h cooldown isnt too bad.

>pretty rich (150b liquid)
>bored
>decide to actually play the game instead of just making money like i normally do
moved into a c13 with an odysseus mothership, been kinda fun
hoping i can get a kill with the odysseus at some point

>>2902516
>>2902588
Its just fucking retarded that faction war dec enemies have access to your factions stations/arent immedietly aggroed by gate and station turrets. Perma camps in all the hubs are the result.

>>2906440
Honestly Minmatar/Amarr warzone is fine for this.
In years of fighting for Minmatar I've only seen campers around Hek like twice.

>>2904301
I'm sort of at this point with 40bil liquid and 50bil in assets.
I have hangars full of random ships I promise myself I'll undock for various reasons and just end up running burners stoned for an hour once a week and logging off instead.

>>2906729
there's been a couple fags camping the huola pipe lately but i think the guy multiboxing that mostly uses unenlisted/pirates plus amarr logi
also every now and then some idiot dies on the amarr undock with a full hauler or mining in a belt a jump or two out while enlisted but that's just a Learning Moment

Orca skin on twitch, vet chuds

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>>2907118
based skin noticer

>>2906732
lol yeah, i mostly entirely focused on maximizing income, i'd play the game, be raking in like 0.5-1B a day, it didn't take much effort (maybe 30-60 mins a day) but i'd then get burnt out and basically quit for a while
now i've decided i'm just not gonna think about isk and just fuckin play the game, and it's been fun
i think i just had to hit a certain threshold until i felt "comfortable" and apparently that threshold is around 300b net worth

amarr

>>2908356
cool larp, here is a (you)

>>2912721
what do you mean? i've been playing on and off for like 15 years, it's not that fantastical

>>2912721
600-700m ISK/hr is easily made doing homefronts with a multibox, in HQ incursions it can net you 1-1.5b/hr. It's annoying and like a second job to do that though.

It's also why shit is so expensive, someone multiboxing still usually plays a single character for fun and that's where their income goes. But they're printing far more ISK than a singleboxer, so prices rise to match them.

>>2912671
>>2913087
i was doing reactions with 6 accounts

>>2913126
I used to do PI and reactions to make ISK, and while it really does pay well for having to do little work, shipping all of it out and into a wormhole once a month or so was way too much work. Now I can just sit a fleet in Amarr, Rens, and Dodixie in cheap ships, fly out and print ISK, and then log off without having to do anything more to make that money.

It'd dumb, homefronts and incursions generate way too much ISK for their relative risk, but removing them wouldn't really fix the problem because entrenched groups in C6 wormholers and Pochven farmers dwarf them still. The only solution is to remove multiboxes, but that would just kill the game outright.

Like the newest site CCP made for wormholes is pretty good since it's not easy to multibox, but it gets ignored because it pays less than multiboxing something boring does. It'll always be like this in EVE too.

I just like burners cuz they pay stupidly good, you can do it in cheap ships and they're actually fun.
Abyssals are OK too but I dont feel like doing them all the time.

>>2913168
oh you're the homefront guy
i do them sometimes but i find them to be pretty fiddly to multibox after they made them harder
which ones do you do?

>>2913372
Dread Assault, Emergency Aid, and Abyssal Artifact Recovery. I used to do the three man site that needed you to neut turrets, but it's better to do triple frigate abyss instead. Same box requirements, better pay although it's more effort.

>>2913812
I do not like that triple frig for abyss is such a blatant multibox sop - 3 frigs is a quarter the price of what a cruiser needs to be kitted out with to do the same, for 3x the loot. Makes running solo feel so inferior.

Not that im blaming anyone but FG, its just another push to multibox myself.

Also the fact that they havent done anything to update abyss makes me sad. It could be so much more...

>>2917958
If they ever did update it they could make it marginally harder, so people die 1/1000 runs more often. They're already completely reverse engineered and too safe now as it is

>>2918095
Abyss results in a vastly disproportionate amount of modules lost by isk value compared to almost any other activity in the game. t5 and 6 abyss is responsible for almost 12% of total isk value lost in game according to the numbers given at the fanfest before last. It is one of the highest risk activities in the game, to the point it's not even actually worth doing.
I can blast Havens with 3 Stormbringers and facefuck the Capital Shipyard escalations with a Super and make nearly twice as much isk as you're likely to pull out of t6 Abyss with essentially no risk. The only danger is getting extraordinarily unlucky with a filament or wormhole fleet killing the Storms. The Super is never in any danger, because it's only on grid for ~45 seconds. The only way to lose it is if I do something colossally stupid (the capital escalations do not expire unlike regular ones, so if it's sketch you just leave it until it's safe).
The devs and community at large seem to have this kind of cognitive dissonance when it comes to isk. There's SO MANY activities in the game that produce more isk than that with less risk and less effort, but there's a kind of weird groupthink among people who don't engage in the activity that everything should be nerfed to be in line of the value proposition of someone single boxing ishtars.

CRAB beacons are a great example. Crab beacons fucking suck. You could literally double the value you get from them and they would STILL suck. c5 Wormhole isk is the minimum viable level to be considered good isk, which is only about 7-10b a week depending on site spawns. And even that's incredibly more dangerous than just doing Havens for less isk.

>>2918296
Really, most activities should stop paying raw ISK beyond a small trickle. Instead, everything should pay out more in materials and trade goods whose value is subject to supply and demand. Do that an overfarmed and overvalued things in the game will naturally adjust their value to match risk/reward.

>>2918318
I agree in principle but that ship sailed long ago.

>>2918296
The irony is abyss is high risk for $$$, but a part of the reason for that is being able to multibox them. If you could only fly a single cruiser, i suspect it would fibd a reasonable payout level.
>>2918318
>>2918331
Yea, it would be easy for them to implement, as thats basically PI/mining right now, but complaints from botters would shut it down.

>>2918431
>If you could only fly a single cruiser, i suspect it would fibd a reasonable payout level.
Currently the best profit in Cruiser abyss comes from doing t6 Firestorms. T6 Firestorm capable cruisers start at around 12b and the most expensive I've seen was 26b.
And for risking that to both ganks and DC deaths, you make a whopping ~800-900m an hour!

Abyss is not good isk even before you account for the risk involved. The amount of isk you'd have to make in order to justify that level of risk would be so high that allowing people to just chain run them is a non-starter. Basically the entire system would have to be redesigned.
Basically, right now high tier abyss is purely the realm of a handful of autismos who do it purely for the love of the game. In actual reality it's good for starter isk at low tiers, but the difficulty and risk very quickly outscales the reward, and honestly I think that's intended design. It's designed to push you out to other activities eventually.

>>2918431
All it is is repeating the idea of scarcity. You'd see nullsec materials drop to being neigh worthless while things you'd harvest in lowsec and elsewhere would spike in price. As other anon said though, that ship has since sailed; the people playing EVE wouldn't tolerate anything that'd make their space more valuable.

The really sad thing is that it'd make an excellent conflict driver. Anyone doing the same content as you is a competitor, meaning killing them reduces supply and increases the value of the materials you make.

>>2918652
>meaning killing them reduces supply and increases the value of the materials you make
does this matter when you could just spend that time grinding instead

>>2919970
It depends. Spending time hunting people instead of farming ISK? Likely a net loss. Your bored corpmates shitting on anyone who dares enter your region of space and runs off with a resource that's primarily acquired there? Big benefit to you. There's also the fact that sometimes, you just want to hunt down and shoot people yourself, and this provides a bigger incentive to do so.

Worst case scenario, Tranquility becomes like Serenity and there's absolutely no material scarcity due to no conflict, leading to CCP directly selling ships through the NES. This ideally will never happen.

>>2918457
>Abyss is not good isk even before you account for the risk involved
Mostly this, though you can find nice balances and middle grounds.
T1 Hawk runs makes 50-70mil/hr in a 25mil fit.
You can also take that same fit into T2s and T3s if you want, you'll just go from never dying to dying sometimes but making more money.

hey guys slamjam here. I recommend everyone quit the game and hit the gym instead to stasify your grinding goals. all you doing is changing some database values on some icelandic server and paying for the priviledge to do so. its a waste of time when you could be grinding yourself up instead. just some execs sitting around deciding how long it should take for you to get 1m isk per timeframe so you can fly around to blow up some dude grinding his isk so he can do the same its a waste of life

>>2920372
Whats a good hawk fit

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>slamjam

>>2921967
[Hawk, Hawk v2b]
Ballistic Control System I
EFFA Compact Assault Damage Control

Medium Shield Booster II
1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Small Capacitor Booster II
Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier
Warp Scrambler II

Rocket Launcher II
Rocket Launcher II
Small Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Rocket Launcher II
Rocket Launcher II

Small EM Shield Reinforcer II
Small Processor Overclocking Unit II
Nova Rage Rocket x1000
Scourge Rage Rocket x2000
Scourge Javelin Rocket x1000
Navy Cap Booster 400 x12
Mjolnir Rage Rocket x1000
Standard Blue Pill Booster x1

Requires no implants, only problem really is that assfrigs are kinda shitty in general. They should get a unique bonus like 50% MWD bonus when scrammed, then its 1:1 parity with sig bloom and they don't just roll over and fucking die to some shithead in a malediction

>unique retard gimmick to save a shittily designed ship
why is this always the solution

>>2922268
MWDs should just have a toggle mode where they can work as MWDs or ABs.

>>2922268
>only problem really is that assfrigs are kinda shitty in general
i got into a retri recently and it's a fun little ship, damage is great with the range to match, but boy does it just die if anything catches it
two mid slots is not a good time and it's just not as fast as i was expecting somehow

>>2921967
fit it exactly the same as the T1 Worm fit except without the drones.
Rockets, shield booster, shield extender, AB, cap battery, dmg mods in lows, shield resists/missile rigs.
All tech 2 stuff is more than fine and goes really far if you multibox or have friends. Solo it can run T2s, though blitzing T1s is safer/easier/more reliable.
T3s are possible solo in a Retri/Hawk but you expect to die in some rooms mostly from timeout.

MWDs, thats not important in pvp.

>>2923477
Retri is one of the better ones. The Jag literally just can't fill all its slots without an exorbitant amount of bling because it has no fitting.

stop trying to fit 3 shield boosters then retard

>>2925178
that's cause its all ess safe spaces

what do you think the end game of that guy scrubbing wallet balance data was? personally he got like half of my characters

>>2929515
triggering widespread false bans for rmt

tldr

>>2929863
check your wallet for the past week and see if someone sent you 0 isk
some guy was doing some sort of exploit that let him see wallet balance by doing this, and did to the tune of a million characters

https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/eve-online-security-update-8-september-2026

>>2929515
Best case it was just gathering data. Worst case he actually has some way to act on that data through a similar vulnerability that FC hasn't ever found. The fact that sending thousands of 0 isk donations in an hour doesn't automatically throw up flags is a pretty grim picture when it comes to FC's security desu.

>>2930309
Yeah I didnt get that thankfully.

>>2931106
>is a pretty grim picture when it comes to FC's security desu.
I've been playing 15 years and never heard of anyone ever getting their account hacked though. Not once.
In other MMOs everyone at least personally knows 1-2 friends, guildmates or a friend-of-friend that had their account cleared out by some cheeky fucker.

Maller skin on twitch.

>>2838532
I single ship solo silent star