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4.10 is gunna fix things right up for us!

>>2840439
Doubtful, but I remain hopeful that we get a stability run soon.

>>2840349
I remember "Hey does 4.0 mean we're finally getting a beta?
and then Chris being like *Dr Hibbert laugh* hahaha no
10 releases and several years later

Are we getting fleeced? is this the sunk cost fallacy thread?

>>2840622
It's 50% sunk cost 50% s-tier gaming experience.

>>2840349
Salvaged from old op

>Star Citizen Overview for New & Returning Players
https://rentry.org/guier/
>Links/resources
https://rentry.org/rbrcz

https://www.erkul.games/
https://scmdb.net/?page=mine
https://www.spviewer.eu/

also highly recommended is mrkraken's language packs, requires updating every patch but injects info like component values, blueprint rewards and other things directly into the UI where they should be if the devs were competent
https://github.com/MrKraken/StarStrings

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Here's to hoping that CIG releases the Kraken before the investors pull the plug.

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>>2840625
there's really nothing else like it when it's all working, which is about 1/5th of the time

Obviously 1.0 means that the project is over and they're walking away. Fear 1.0. The game is out and you're playing it and their live service business model is selling ships to "fund the project". If it was actually an alpha it'd be 0.4.10 and not 4.10 about to drop.

It's fine, I don't care. Just play the game for what it is and not what it "will be", because Lord knows they're going to miss on expectations.

>>2840721
>Here's to hoping that CIG releases the Kraken before the investors pull the plug.
Why? If investors pull the plug the servers shut down, the game would be dead at that point. Completely unplayable.

In that sense SC really is a scam. We funded a single-player game with multi-player components, a game that we can fire up whenever, private servers, mods, etc. What we got was a live service game that disappears when the funding/"pledges" stop coming in.

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>>2840776
why people think they're going to walk away from the money printer is beyond me. if god forbid they actually ever got in all the features they want and could stop raping the entire codebase every couple months, they'd be able to lay off a ton of staff and just keep a maintenance skeleton crew and a handful of artists for monthly piggy packs and to keep toiling away on new planets and systems in the background.

>>2840801
They wont do it willingly.
The end comes with problems from multiple angles.
1. Sq42 is not as godly game as people would like, eroding trust
2. CR and other leadership start to show up less and less, eventually whistleblowed or found out they are in CIG in name only
3. New (actual) leadership doesnt have any real plan (or experience) how to salvage the project
4. Vision, innovation, showmanship, immersion and creativity start to drain out of the project, also affecting the main monetization method (ships)
5. CIGs junior team and spaghettified obsolete engine and game code ensures that the game starts to degrade to a point where it is literally unplayable and any fixes take years or never show up at all
6. Community facing communication will never show apology, guilt or responsibility - losing any last sense of open development
7. CIG employees will do SOME posts about how players are wrong and entitled
8. The careful balance of economics of CIG (25.5% tax benefit) is upset by: decreased revenue, increased revenue not reacted to in time, changes to the UK tax deduction system
9. The investors (who do not get any dividends) will use their clauses to cash in or cause problems for CIG
10. The first competitor with sufficiently similar features shows up, but from actual game development company

>Some of these is already happening

>at the pyro stanton gateway with my redeemer
>afk for a few seconds to check messages on phone
>chat light up with "ganker at pyro gateway careful"
>look around, nobody's here except me
>mfw retards thought my afk ass was a ganker
jesus fuck cargo players are a special breed of retards

>>2840825
>eroding trust
lmao. no one is expecting squadron to be a blockbuster, except maybe CR himself but even that I doubt.
>CR and leadership in name only
welcome to 5 years ago
>new leadership has o plan or experience
seriously, have you been paying attention? we're there. have been for years.

>>2840941
>we're there. have been for years.
Thats the joke.

But anyway, I estimate ~2 years for EOS or irrelevance.
Seems like most og backers ive talked to think its along those lines too.
Its weird af but the moment that broke the camels back still is Odin sale, even as the main issue for the community is the terrible state of the game with no fixes in sight paired with apathy from CIG

>>2841156
Odin sold well too, and will continue to sell well. But something about its exclusivity and powercreep and timing hit hard.

The first step to delay the eos would be to move squadron 42 yet again.. as long as sq42 is in development, its not revealed what it ends up being - cr is around but not messing pu up..

>>2840801
Obviously they're not going to just walk away from the money, retard. It's more a question of how long the printer will keep working. We know there's never going to be a 1.0

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>recent CIG livestream was apparently so disasters that even normiefags are jumping in on it
dear lord, what the fuck happened

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>>2842988
The "shove your head in the sand and say nothing" strat continues to backfire, but it's not like they could come up with anything to say that would quell the outrage. Now thanks to Charlie and subsequent AI articles that sprung up from bigger game journos, Chris will be forced to...send a DM to Jarrod in Microsoft Teams to try and fix it like he infamously did during the flight blade fiasco.

And then there is SQ42, the crux of it all. One man's fruitless pursuit of perfection has dragged this project and company to this point, 10 years since its initial release date, and it looks like another delay announcement is on the horizon. Wanna know the best part? Anyone who backs the project now is given no public facing information from CIG that their money is not going towards the PU they paid for, but rather a singleplayer game they will have to purchase separately for full price!

There is no going back; they either fix their shit and make the greatest attempt to earn player trust again or continue the status quo until Sq42 finally comes out, try to sell off the studio, or, if that fails, make one final rug pull.

>>2842988
I really don't see the big deal. there wasn't any huge disasters in the stream, even on par with crashes that have happened in their live citcon demos. it ran as well as we ever expect it to. people are playing up some mean girls drama between the devs that didn't exist as well.

>>2843339
You don't think the copium destruction of "it's just because of poor server performance" is a big deal? Or do you just accept that Star Citizen is a POS, always will be, and don't care?

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>>2842988
Youtuber making a mountain of nothing.

>>2843339
Im in a few refundian servers and heres the scoop.

>The refundians got a little desperate when it didnt blow up like they had planned so they messaged charlie and made it out like this is a sign that CIG is collapsing in "90 days tops!".

>Right now theyre planning to dox some CIG staff using their plants and bots in the SC subreddit unless CR himself cancels SQ42 and SC.

>failing to do so theyll start targeting CR's kids

At first I joined because "haha SC is a scam" but in reality the refundians are a fucking cult. As StuartGT (a well known refundian) said, "I wont rest until I see CIG burn and CR murdered."

>>2843544
(You)

>>2843440
The server issues thing was proven true when someone figured out a way to run the PU in arena commander and everything worked flawlessly. In previous patches when servers had lower player counts and higher server FPS the game ran almost bug free.

>>2843644
No it did not. This is massive copium.
It was better for sure but majority if the bugs have nothing to do with server fps or servers at all.

We had the xt idris desync at server fps 30

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>>2840781
>Why?
The best part of receiving a ship you pledged for years ago is soaking in all the details for the first time
Insofar as the Kraken is concerned, its addition to the game doesn't provide any new gameplay. I've been using my Polaris loaner and a vulture/golem to do literally everything I will be able to do with a Kraken.
The best case scenario is that I'll open up the game, take about an hour exploring it, fly it somewhere to dick around in space for a bit, then shelve it until CIG adds something meaningful to experience in the future.
Worst case scenario the game is shut down and all I have left of the Kraken is some concept art on the wiki.
I've been playing the game for thirteen years. I'm kinda ambivalent.

>>2843674
Ive been playing it for almost as long. It as the cheapest game ive bought at the time and is also the cheapest space sim ive bought since. CIG pulled their ass into gear the past few years and people STILL complain that its not enough.

Honestly, i dont think ive seen any other dev that pumps out as much content for the game as CIG on a quarterly basis.

>>2843686
You dont play a lot of games I guess.

>>2843686
>i dont think ive seen any other dev that pumps out as much content for the game as CIG on a quarterly basis.
Do you understand how insane that is to say? Truly
I remember when WoW was getting massive content patches every three months. Every two years they would completely reinvent each class so that they played differently.

>>2843716
NMS is probably one of the top games of the genre, PoE literally defined live games update cycle, Fortnite tries to stay relevant by constant updates... most live games put out more content than sc with the added benefit of not being broken buggy mess.

That anon must be baiting or absolutely delusional.
Only thing CIG consistently puts out is ships and even those havent worked for almost a year now.

>>2843747
>NMS is probably one of the top games of the genre
0/10 bait, that game is somehow buggier than SC 3.18. But you wouldnt know because like most NMS fans, you dont actually play it and got your opinion from reddit memes.

>>2843716
>Do you understand how insane that is to say? Truly
Its hard to believe, but when you look at it CIG pump out a fuckton of content per quarter.

The biggest problem SC faces is that its buggy. But if you look at whats there and compare it to the gold standard of the genre of space sims like Freelancer then CIG are doing an insane job.

>>2843686
Update frequency and content amount of a game like Genshin Impact would break your brain.

>>2843766
Gacha games dont count because we both know the content they release is barely content.

t. I used to play Genshin and ZZZ.

>>2843765
>Its hard to believe
Because it isn't true.

Why do you even have this delusional position? Where did it come from? Do you not play or follow other games?

Do you consider ships content?

>>2843770
>Gacha games dont count because we both know the content they release is barely content.

For the sake of argument ill agree on the premise. But the problem is; how does that differ from Star Citizen?

Are you saying the content Star Citizen isn't barely content?

>>2843782
>Are you saying the content Star Citizen isn't barely content?
Are you saying the content Star Citizen releases isn't barely content?*

>>2843774
>Because it isn't true.
It is, and its copium if you think they dont release content.

>>2843782
>Are you saying the content Star Citizen isn't barely content?
Thats some mental gymnastics there. Im saying that CIG push out actual meaningful content every quarter. Its better than the gacha "content" of putting in your credit card details to pull a new jpg of your waifu.

Hell, its better than No Mans Sky where their "massive" releases is just a single mech (yes they once did this) and no one even touched the mech after the first hour of playing with it because it was somehow more useless than the military IKTI.

The only space sim dev that beats CIG in content releases is probably X4: Foundations and thats not really content, and more like tools to create content. But Egosoft are just insane veterans of the industry. Sean Murray and David Braben could also learn a thing or too from Egosoft and CIG on releasing good content.

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>>2843806
I wanted to do a picture comparing NMS content releases to CIG but someone already kind of did one.

>>2843806
>>2843813
Im speechless.
I suppose you bring a lot of faith that CIG will continue to have funding forever.

But at least you truly deserve what you get.

>>2843839
>I suppose you bring a lot of faith that CIG will continue to have funding forever.
I dont, they need to get SQ42 out the door asap. Im EXTREMELY critical of CIG in general. Just because im not a cult-like refundian with a hate boner for CIG doesnt mean im a shill.

>But at least you truly deserve what you get.
I got a pretty decent multiplayer space sim after being burnt with Elite: Dangerous. I got my moneys worth with just 2.0, everything else has been impressive since.

>>2843854
>Just because im not a cult-like refundian with a hate boner for CIG doesnt mean im a shill.
The problem is that you clearly have a chip on your shoulder for NMS and Genshit, you not liking those games (nobody can blame you) doesnt mean that any of what you said is true. You are not being objective.

Its especially funny since gachashit is greedy as fuck - but so is CIG, there is literally no difference between the greed, only the implementation. Grand majority of cig updates of any kind is to sell something.
And yes, its also the way these companies make money.

But lets say you play Star Citizen completely free (gifted access) and Genshin completely free. In which game do you play scripted content through faster, in which game do you play unscripted content faster..

Berating NMS (a game i dont like) for doing an update with just a shitty mech is particularly ironic since Star Citizen has done that too.

CIG has focused maybe like, i dont know, 90% of its content efforts on themepark rides. But you can still count those with fingers of a single hand.

I get that genshit, poe, fortnite etc are shit games in general - or even in many cases simpler games.. but the one thing you really cant fault them on is update cycle. Its quite literally the reason they dominate their genre.

Eg. Duet Night Abyss is a gacha game with actual coop. Based on warframe. But its smaller chink team simply cannot push content fast enough to keep players. It will never beat any MHY game despite being arguably fundamentally better game.
And i guess fortnite is the western primus, does anyone actually think fortnite is the best shooter? I fucking hope not. Does it have the fastest content updates? Yes. Do they want even more content to the point where they build ai tools for players to do content? Yes.

I think cig would do far better by improving sandbox features than the current content push, since sandbox gameplay is forever and you play SoO maybe like 2-3 times max.

>>2843854
>Just because im not a cult-like refundian

Is this what the cultists are doing now? Calling people who can see the bullshit refund cultists?

>>2843880
>The problem is that you clearly have a chip on your shoulder for NMS and Genshit,
Did i strike a nerve?

>Berating NMS (a game i dont like) for doing an update with just a shitty mech is particularly ironic since Star Citizen has done that too.
When CIG did it the mech was a sidenote, not the main feature of a major content update

>Its quite literally the reason they dominate their genre.
For their genre, like how CIG is the champion of the space sim genre

>And i guess fortnite is the western primus
Ive played Fortnite, the content they add is really just random skins and dances. The only major thing they do is a new map every season (which is a very good thing imho).

>I think cig would do far better by improving sandbox features than the current content push, since sandbox gameplay is forever and you play SoO maybe like 2-3 times max.
Finally something we agree on. Theres a lot of content already but the issue is that theyre buggy to the point they dont work, or there isnt much information to make players aware they exist. A lot of new players dont even know ASD or Stormbreaker exist unless players tell them.

Hopefully their new planet mission tech means they can start generating random content with much more ease. I remember CIG mentioning a while ago they want to have randomly generated missions alongside handcrafted ones instead of it all being handcrafted. If it were Warframe such a goal would be simple, but with SC and its numerous gameplay mechanics and factors its a much more complicated task.

>>2843813
you are brainwashed. adding beards

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>>2843904
>Is this what the cultists are doing now? Calling people who can see the bullshit refund cultists?

I think dedicating 10+ years of your life to hating a videogame company because of esoteric reasons is mental illness. Theyre not "seeing through the bullshit" they ARE the bullshit. Even vtuber fans arent this clinically insane

Star Citizen plods along, outdoing and outliving its competitors. More people are playing the game than ever, CIG is addressing longstanding issues (slowly), and the refundians continue to crash out for the most mundane reasons. I remember one guy crashing out when mining got added because "CIG should be sued that they stole mining from Elite: Dangerous".

And having interacted with the refundians, a lot of them have unironically dedicated their lives to taking down CIG and made hating CIG their entire personality.

If youre this obsessed over hating CIG, go touch grass.

>>2843909
>Did i strike a nerve?
Not in the way you think you did.

>CIG is the champion of the space sim genre
I think we all are hoping this to be true, but not yet. SC would be the king of multiplayer space sim genre but one game does not make a genre. SC is not king of space mmo, nor space sim.

>Ive played Fortnite, the content they add is really just random skins and dances.
I suppose its a fair point. Not the greatest example in that regard, but we can take any live game and have some sort of similar situation. CIG's content is not that amazing.

With one exception.
Hathor was the best fit for the game, give more of that with different profession goods at the end. Trading, Salvaging..
I suppose cig should fix the pvp/pve dilemma before they can really make good content.
Eg. Hathor, CZ, Lazarus are things bobs just ignore.

> A lot of new players dont even know ASD or Stormbreaker exist unless players tell them.
Ive personally escorted pve players to see pyro. Its pretty bad.
And you can see it in spectrum in endless pvp vs pve arguments.

>>2843925
Who said I was obsessed? That's a strawman you made up to hand wave any criticism of the game. You dumb fucks are so stupid that you don't even realize how stupid you are. Obsessing over a video game like it's the second coming of jesus is what the real bullshit is.

>And having interacted with the refundians, a lot of them have unironically dedicated their lives to taking down CIG and made hating CIG their entire personality.

These people are fake bogyman you invented. Even if you ran across one it's a tiny fraction of a percent of the people displeased with CIG. You retards are so unimaginative you can't even come up with your own insults and just regurgitate any insult that you receive. It's no wonder you enjoy sucking chris' cock so much because you literally cope with your sunk cost.

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>>2843932
Actually thinking about it. Ive escorted Bobs to Onyx too since they think its a pvp area.

>>2843686
Are you insane? Do you not only not play any other game but actively tune out the rest of the game's industry? Look at any gacha game to blow your stupid ass out. And no, I don't just mean they're adding to stories, I mean adding entirely new game modes with new mechanics. NTE just added an entire fucking roguelike fantasy adventure game inside itself. ZZZ added an entire loot extraction game. New content, new story, new game modes, events, every 6 weeks without fail. Say what you will about gacha being a shitty predatory cash grab, the fucking Chinese have incredible consistency and discipline in deliverying live service content with minimal bugs.
You think CIG is even remotely comparable to that? You're fucking nuts.

>>2843925
>I remember one guy crashing out when mining got added because "CIG should be sued that they stole mining from Elite: Dangerous".
I crash out cause its so shit.

At least on scraping i know they didnt implement powerwashing simulator properly, and the actual powerwashing is and can be fun.

Only game that has had fun mining (and salvaging) minigame was dune awakening. I wouldnt have minded more steps and longer cuts to it.

genshin and star citizen are the same with lack of content. a new character to roll vs a new ship is not content if they do not do anything new, they are just an aesthetic choice to reach the same place. the difference is the character released isn't broken, it has no missing limbs, no missing texture, no missing animations etc.
Meanwhile star citizen release non functioning model of ship, telling you one day we will come back and add that gameplay system we promised that would change all of the gameplay in the game, but we never been able to implement it.

genshin adds a content, a storyline, and new characters that aren't missing limbs. star citizen releases only broken versions of genshin crap with a promise of one day fixing it later.

>>2843932
>I think we all are hoping this to be true, but not yet. SC would be the king of multiplayer space sim genre but one game does not make a genre. SC is not king of space mmo, nor space sim.

I dont know what SC you have been playing but its definitely a space sim and an mmo. Compare it to Elite: Dangerous that tries to all itself a space sim mmo but its instances are soft capped at 30 people unless you use exploits to push it higher (which Frontier patched). No Mans Sky as touted as the "next EVE Online" by gaming journos for some stupid reason and barely has multiplayer. Compare this to Star Citizen where people are having full on fleet battles, logistics fights, etc.

SC has potential to be even bigger. I get CR wants to do more "cinematic" stuff but i think he should just add in like 30-50 random star systems with basic landing zones just to fill in the gaps.

>CIG's content is not that amazing.
The issue with a lot of the raid-esque missions is they feel like testbeds for future content.
ASD and Stormbreaker are crazy fun. I do think CIG needs to put effort into more solo content though.

>Eg. Hathor, CZ, Lazarus are things bobs just ignore.
A few groups ive played with a few orgs ive flown with briefly have ran those regularly for loot or pvp fights.

>And you can see it in spectrum in endless pvp vs pve arguments.
We both know Spectrum (and reddit pre-refundian takeover) were always bad. I still remember the pvp slider arguments.

>>2843947
Genshit is younger than star shitizen, but i wouldnt be surprised if it takes a full week to go through just the main story if you play nonstop.
Its just not very comparable to star citizen in terms of scale - or any game.

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>>2843947
Uh oh, i alerted the horde.

>>2843959
>I'm genuinely retarded and said a bunch of stupid things and people are calling me out on my bullshit
Typical retard response.

>>2843957
If you play only the main story and nothing else, it would take you well over a week, I think. Most players of a gacha game think the content isn't a lot because they digest it in six week intervals, but the reality is it's actually really massive. Especially when you start considering side quests, events, and exploration goals.
>>2843959
>posts incredibly insane take
>gets called out
>uh uh, you're just a whatever game cultist mad I talked shit
You're a fucking retard.

>>2843945
Why are you comparing a gacha game to a space sim? Thats like comparing Call of Duty to Factorio and saying CoD is a better game because it pumps out more (slop).

>>2843946
I crash out cause its so shit.
I agree, CIG made mining more of a pain than it should. Just give us asteroid belts like EVE.

>>2843947
Genshit is also a much more simpler game, its hard to fuck up a new character model and some copypasted story missions that use existing framework.

>>2843957
The story is kind of forgettable. Star Citizen's ASD is somehow more memorable.

>>2843960
I called out your mental illness and youre being upset.

>>2843967
>Anybody who disagrees with me is a mentally ill person
Right, that's exactly what a schizo like you would believe.

>>2843964
>but the reality is it's actually really massive.
Its really not, but if its your first open world game i can see why you think its big.

>You're a fucking retard.
If youre this assmad over CIG i suggest you go touch grass.

I feel so bad for ollie I can't lie, I don't even like his gay over optimistic content but he's getting absolutely eviscerated by people outside the community for his optics nvke stream
What a terrible way to start your new job

>>2843954
>its definitely a space sim and an mmo.
Yes, but both of those genres have better games. The combination is unique and why all of us are here. If there was a single competitor, we might not - and even Star Citizen might be forced to do better.

>SC has potential to be even bigger. I get CR..
Yes, SC has potential. But CR is probably not related to that potential at all. Both figuratively and literally.

>Star Citizen where people are having full on fleet battles, logistics fights, etc.
You arent exactly honest with this and i think you know it. This only really happens through arrangement, mock battles if you will. The game doesnt really incentivize or guide towards it. The possibility is there but the game systems work against it rather than towards it.
Lets say you couldnt respawn in pyro without your own medbed, imagine how that would change it.

>The issue with a lot of the raid-esque missions is they feel like testbeds for future content.
I think they are just what they can make with the tools they have. They dont have great tools and considering that, what we get might be quite impressive. CIG should show that if thats the case, give some credit to those who make them.

>A few groups ive played with a few orgs ive flown with briefly have ran those regularly for loot or pvp fights.
Yeah i mean pvp and pvevp orgs do them. But there is a worrying amount of people who dont, either because like you inferred - they are not solo..
..or because the player wants to avoid anything with pvp on it.

>We both know Spectrum...
Yes, but it does show trends of sentiment. And at least for the pve only players, ive met them ingame.

I have yet to meet one of the perpetual victims of pvp though.

>>2843967
Who's the fucking nutbag who said "no other game delivers as much content as SC per quarter"?
Oh, so now it's not "no other game" but "No other game that isn't gacha"? Or "No other game that is a space sim"? Or maybe "No other game that is a real time space sim sandbox mmo that lets you seamlessly transition from ship to 1st person that has the words Star and Citizen in it's name" just to really make sure you're not wrong?

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>>2843971
Youre being obsessed over hating CIG that when someone shuts you down you have a complete sperg out.

If you hate CIG so much why do you spend every waking moment malding? Go play No Mans Sky if you want a reddit tier space "sim". Oh wait, the actual people who play it hate it ROFL

>>2843979
As I already stated I'm not obsessed with hating on CIG and you think you're shutting me down? You're actually a fucking schizo lol.

>If you hate CIG so much why do you spend every waking moment malding?
More strawmanning. Keep on sucking that cock you ultra assmad faggot.

>>2843979
>>2843973
Take your meds man. You're so out of touch with reality right now it's not even funny.

>>2843976
Olli did the right thing and got punished for it by players and devs.

Kinda shows what the community around star citizen really is.

>>2843984
True. He tried to keep it real for the gang and now he's getting thrown under the bus.
Total elliot death

>>2843973
>Its really not
>The total estimated playthrough time for all main Archon Quests in Genshin Impact is approximately 80 to 98 hours combined
That's just the main quest too, literally nothing else. You'd know that if you actually played the game, or anything beside SC for that matter.

>>2843977
>Yes, but both of those genres have better games. The combination is unique and why all of us are here. If there was a single competitor, we might not - and even Star Citizen might be forced to do better.
It could do better, but its also BETTER than the games that have tried (and failed) to achieve a quarter of what SC tried to do.

>Yes, SC has potential. But CR is probably not related to that potential at all. Both figuratively and literally.
I agree, but we cant fault him for making probably one of the best space sims out right now even if he kneecapped SC numerous times along the way. Im still assmad over him scrapping most of SQ42 to add planet tech stuff.

>I think they are just what they can make with the tools they have. They dont have great tools and considering that, what we get might be quite impressive. CIG should show that if thats the case, give some credit to those who make them.

CR has said ages back if he knew he wouldve got this much funding he wouldve just made his own game engine. CryEngine wouldve worked for their original goals for SC and SQ42 but its clearly not suited for their new vision of the game.

>Yeah i mean pvp and pvevp orgs do them. But there is a worrying amount of people who dont, either because like you inferred - they are not solo..
>..or because the player wants to avoid anything with pvp on it.
Yeah, CIG needs to make more solo content as I said.

>Yes, but it does show trends of sentiment. And at least for the pve only players, ive met them ingame.
Not really, the people who are going to bitch are going to bitch on the forum, and those who enjoy the game wont use spectrum. Ive met plenty of people both ingame and outside the game who love SC but steer clear of spectrum.

>I have yet to meet one of the perpetual victims of pvp though.
You do get some loud people who take entire cargo filled ships to a pyro landing zone then cry they got pirated. But theyre not as bad as the 2.0 days.

>>2843983
Sorry, i was meant to reply to the other guy.

>>2843967
how is it more complex, 14 years and no game loop is completed, yet they release half baked new ships. Even the easier fps game loop which they are making an entire other games completed. year ago still not released 10 years later is broken.

Star citizen hawks timed exclusives, meanwhile so does genshin, they both reuse them later one and try to get you buy them cause of fomo.

14 years and a billion dollars and all you got it's more complex, vague statement that just means failure.

Look Siege of Orison, what so complex about that? group players kill enemies and move across platforms. instancing means you don't have the rest of the server on your ass, and while it's dev server playing it should run at peak, no different then stay space fps campaign game that was suppose to be released 10 years ago but never was.

They don't have any loops finished and functional, each big patch it's where's waldo of was is broken and make x unplayable. fix the prison glitch, reintroduce it later.

>>2843984
>>2843987
I dont think anyone is throwing Ollie under the bus except the refundians who want to see him fired because its "le hecking funny chungus". The whole stream was a non-issue and just goes to show how desperate people are to find faults with CIG these days.

>>2843994
Sure, if youre reading at a 2nd grade level. You can complete the main quest in probably 10 hours if you read at a normal level and not using your finger to put at each word.

>eceleb makes a video the shitshow that was the stream
>niggerbaiter arrives
I AM NOOOOOOOTIICIIIIING

>>2844009
>The whole stream was a non-issue
Okay now you're just being delulu, the stream was awful I just feel bad that ollie is taking the fall for it because it wasn't really his fault it didn't work

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>>2844003
I get this is deadchan, but put some effort into your baits if youre going to pretend to be retarded.

>>2844016
cringe pic. some real "I've already depicted you as the basedjack" energy

>>2844023
Im appealing to your sensibilities.

>>2844009
>You can complete the main quest in probably 10 hours
You do realize just making up whatever shit you want doesn't exactly reinforce your credibility right?

>>2844028
cringe comment. some real "i know i lost this argument" energy

>>2844033
Considering Ive played Genshit, its definitely not 90+ hours unless youre clearly retarded. At most the main story is 20 hours if you read slowly and dont get distracted gooning.

>>2844034
You lost your argument when you started crashing out because youre not used to being outside your reddit echo chamber.

>>2844039
see: >>2844023
The only one crashing out here is you. You can't accept any criticism and strawman your way out of any real argument claiming you won it. Where's your handler?

>>2844039
Im guessing you played it at launch and never again. All the anons who said about point was that the game has had huge updates, every single new area update added the same amount of story (quality being what it is) as the original area had or more.

Its been many years now, genshit is almost done with its story and areas. They are in.. second last world now i believe?? Unlike most games today, it outlined its story when it launched.

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>>2842988
Man I feel so bad for olli, the stream was obviously his idea
>Let's do the thing that haters keep saying isn't true, that the devs don't play their own game
He's just a normal guy that wants to see the commentary not be negative
Either way its the same as always, waiting for S42.

>>2844039
how tf are yall comparing a chink fetch quest VN to SC
Satisfactory is comparable in a production sense, it had crowdfunding and years of early access but their updates were 6 months apart initially, then a year apart at a time until release.
KCD had crowdfunding and is also based on Cryengine but didn't release until the entire game was done and compromised on scope.
X4 and NMS are kinda comparable but eh, that's been done to death already, also the bethesda space game.

>>2844526
That chink fetch quest is better than SC content.
And even if you disagree - which is fair since that was hyperbole - there is so much of that content (which the players obviously like) that it just trumps CIG's pathetic content pipeline.

There is no universe where CIG delivers more content than other companies, its a whole big problem in game industry right now in general.

But the joke is, like the original poster and the original replier agreed here: >>2843909

The content focus is wrong - you dont NEED to do the most content if you are smart, you just need to enable players to do the content themselves in a sandbox environment.

CIG lost sight of that, as Jared said they are very happy about their concurrent player stats, which spike up during events with permanent rewards and theme park rides.
Problem is, as anyone who have worked in Live games would say - they only see the peaks and not the valleys.
If they put the effort to enabling players to create content for themselves instead, there would be a steady growth in concurrent players which is exactly what their shitty code could maybe withstand better anyway.

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Wrap this thread up.

Anybody had the chance to try out the super heavy armor yet?

So Shadow Moses did you get what you wanted? You pvp'd the entire game by getting the unnamed $71 million investor pulls his investment out on September 30th.

No more idris's pvping you because the servers are offline for good.

>>2845707
Can I get a source or a link or literally any piece of info that explains what you're talking about

>>2845707
That would be so funny. I would also like to know the deers, but I fear that this is fake and gay

>>2843765
>an mmo developer that adds a few quests to a single quest line three times a year is great
Goyim brained

>>2845707
Ah yes, SM ruined CIGs third party funding. Kind of a handless unskilled post if you ask me.

jesus christ this ship showdown
>Ironclad assault vs hermes
>clipper vs aurora mk2
>perseus vs idris
COME ON PIGGIES GET YOUR WALLET OUT DADDY ROBERT NEED A FOURTH YACHT

>>2846979
Idris for sale!!!

>>2846979
Aurora MKII being sold as a separate ship instead of just replacing the MkI is such bullshit.

Glad the 300 series got reworked when it did.

>>2846979
>It's going to be MTC vs Ironclad Assault
It's like a joke or something

>>2843440
>You don't think the copium destruction of "it's just because of poor server performance" is a big deal?
NTA
Nah, not really.
The Escapist drama was worse honestly. So was SA digging up old domestic dispute cases on Chris's wife.

>>2848865
This 100%. What a slap in the face to their oldest supporters/kickstarters. They really are some greedy shysters at CIG.

With the livestream reaching every single normie media outlet, will we get another year of stability? Letter from the Chairman?

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>>2850369
Lmao, Chris doesn't give a fuck anymore. He hasn't said anything because he has nothing to say, and Jarrod, who would've been the scapegoat for that, is on holiday getting married, ironically right after using Oli as the scapegoat in the last second of that stream.

The "year of stability," if we are being honest, was a trial run to see how much they could push their greediness, which was more than successful than any "potential bug fix." The false premise set by having monthly patches be a commitment to "stability" was an excuse to throw 1-2 ships in (with fuck all testing), and all it took was a couple uncooked features in 2026 to topple this whole house of cards for months on end now. You can see that they are still more than happy to run limited Idris sales in the midst of all this, while dangling the keys of the Stingray on the PTU for testing (something they used to do pre-2025) to try to calm concern and keep up the status quo. Dickrider-CIG has his work cut out for him, that's for sure; everyone's getting banned off of Spectrum who dares even mention MoistCritikal's existence.

They can't fix this project anymore because everyone who knew how things were built is gone, and they can't hide behind the server instability excuse for their spaghettified mess. When Sq404 gets shitcanned, it'll follow with Chris's retirement, and that's that.

>>2849272
Sandi Gardener and the Cayman Island ops

PTU is available to all backers. They're allowing people to fly the manta if they've previously tested this patch for X hours.

if the manta looks like what the leak showed it looks similar to the mandalay from Elite

>>2843668
he is correct, anyone who has ever been on a fresh server can attest to this

>>2843544
>didn't blow up
>james "king of clickbait" defranco did a video

>stingray's 2s4 are bespoke with the wolf shitty weapons

>>2850524
You might be onto something.
CIG financials are in dumpster, so perhaps it all was a ruse to justify selling more ships without them working to keep the lights on.

>>2851247
If people are still dumping money in SC it's on them at this point.

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>The message just repeats, regret, regret, regret.

the stream is the funniest shit to me because CiG probably hoped to at least sell SQ42 to normies despite the reputation that they have and then Ollie decide to do a stream that put yet another bad light onto them. It's perfection really

>>2851667
Ollie didn't put a bad light on them, he revealed the bad work that they were doing and lying about. Ollie did all of us a favor.

>>2851694
I think the SC fags already knew about that (I hope.)
I meant that the normies now has renewed ridicule / hate to hang over CiG and so when and if SQ42 comes out it's going to be really funny to behold.

>>2851694
#olliedidnothingwrong

>>2846825
I'd be less convinced this was as Shadow Moses gayop if Tumblerino wasn't in the stream chat sperging out in a way identical to a bunch of day old sock puppet accounts on spectrum, and reddit.

Memories time.
A few years ago I remember when you could do solo missions with pretty much any ship. I loaded up the RSI starter ship the centurion whichever build with 4 s1s on gimbals, repeaters, and took down ships much larger than I was supposed to.
I did the same thing with the Anvil Hawk which is still probably my favorite ship. It's a shame the S1/S2 arent all that great anymore with ship armor.
I messed around with cannons and those were nice. I always thought the kinetic ones were better for pvp.
I had an eclipse and I did everything to reduce the signature it put out. I'd take off the shields and other unnecessary components and fly it fully vulnerable, find an enemy ship, lock on, and set off a torpedo.
I had some fun with pad rammers at the OG starter area. There was this guy named PadRamanowaki I think he got banned but anyway he knocked one of my ships off so I went inside and spawned a snub the P52 cruise missile and just kamikazed like 15 of them into his hammerhead and he blew up with me. They didn't have any insurance claim delay so I could just spawn one and then the other and just run them into his ship.

I always wanted to write fan fiction for this game because the official script is cheesy as fuck.
There's enough space in this IP for some anarchist commune farm development and mining plot out on some planet in the middle of the camouflaged wilderness where we can mine some exotic materials and trade them at a neutral outpost outside of UEE jurisdiction.
Maybe a bandits nest deep in vanduul space. A hidden port along the face of a weathered rock mountain where a ship can take off and land without drawing attention. Deep in the rock is an abandoned habitat the previous inhabitants left in shambles. The vanduul do their business and often their ships find themselves in a scrap heap picked clean.

>>2851853
I remember in 3.22 when some random funnyguy started beef in GH, I flew around and blasted full gattlings on my corsair to ruin their day.
Now for that to happen the other player would have to disconnect.

>>2851707
Agree. Aside from glazing CIG, I think he did a major service to hopefully disillusion all the in-game cultists that swarm you when you say anything negative about the game in global chat.

>>2851724
From my time with them, SM had a deep love and appreciation to the game. I mean, they have CIG devs and community relations in their discord. I sincerely doubt that they would try to sabotage the game.

>>2851929
Sounds more like something gn would do.
But in reality calders are money people and money people only care about... money.

>>2851724
Tumbler is always talking
>>2851929
SM genuinely wants the game to succeed and keeps their feedback forums on topic without Nightrider-tier message deletions. It's why the devs will engage in their Discord channels. They don't get glazed AT ALL but the feedback is kept constructive.

what setup you guys running? I'm thinking of getting virpil constellation but i think they gonna upgrade em..

>>2853128
They are years away from that, not that this game is worth it if it's all you will use them on.

>>2853128
Mouse and Keyboard. I'm not spending the kind of money you'd need to make an actual good and competitive flight stick setup.

>>2853128
I am
>>2853598
For reference I have dual constellation alphas, warbrd d bases, control panel #3, r1 pedals, and monster tech mounts.

>>2851707
Ollie gave us the transparency we were promised. Just a glimpse, but that was enough.
Thank you for your service

>>2853128
Virpils are nice. The throw with WARBRDs is enormous, especially if you're already used to VKB.

I am only here because of the recent drama. Why are you retards supporting such a dog shit company?

>>2856012
It's good until it isn't, repeat for the entire history of the playable game.

Ganking players in this game whether they fight back or don't feels as good as in dayz/breaking point.

>>2856012
It's basically building the foundation for a persistent universe level sandbox on a level that's never been achieved before.
They are figuring out things they hadn't considered they would need before the kickstarter and now this whole ordeal is taking a really long time.
Still half the cost of GTA6 and far less of a shit show.
IMO the worst part of star citizen is the optimization, I shouldnt need a 5800 x3d minimum to play this.

>>2856012
>surface level drama turns into its so baseless claims of CIG's inevitable doom
its not the first time some influencer drama comes along and daily players get anal about more bugs than before
at the end of the day, the game keeps moving forward and what happens at CIG isn't represented by one or two marketing guys
if anything I would rather they just make the game and break it as much as needed
but some tards want to play every day and CIG won't just leave an old old version up for them to play

>>2856012
>supporting
To be clear, I'm not giving them any money ever again, so support might be a strong word.
I bought into a vision that I had hoped could become real, that was 10 years ago. The only reason I'm still even paying attention is sunk cost fallacy. I hope some day they get to a point where I can play a session that doesn't end in bugs ruining everything.
I'm not that hopeful.

>>2856279
>building the foundation for a persistent universe level sandbox on a level that's never been achieved before
Over a decade of development BTW. Enjoy playing v0.9b in 2126.

>EA lists Wing Commander IP for sale
>CIG under Chris' direction purchase IP
>SQ42 Delayed for 2 years to be rebranded as Wing Commander
>CIG puts all WC ships for sale in game making record profits
>Current business model now sustained for another decade

I'm scared, bros.

>>2856012
It's manufactured drama.
SC has been a buggy mess for more than a decade. There's a controversy every so often that gets blown out of proportion by retards that genuinely want SC to fail.
Once normies get tired of talking about the game things will go back to normal.

>>2856874
You do understand that "more than a decade" itself changes the context

>>2858355
No.
I've been following this game long enough to know that the outrage is cyclical.
The criticisms never change. The shitposts, arguments etc. are the same.
You can learn a lot about human nature by studying how people react to Star Citizen. Nothing anybody has to say is truly novel or engaging. It's just a regurgitation of what came before.

>>2858369
>It's just a regurgitation of what came before.
That's because the problems were never actually solved (as this stream showed).

>>2858782
>never actually solved
I can't wait until the plebs tell us that CIG should focus on bugfixing over feature development, and then beg CIG to do the opposite in a year or so.

>>2858924
I can't wait for Chris Roberts to announce another 'year of playability' and then all the issues to immediately reappear in January

>>2859065
>Chris announce year of plapability
>We all get free mesugaki android companions
thank you chris-sama

Hi, thread tourist here.
I've been a supporter of this project since idk like 2017, and I've been vaguely following development, not really testing because my current PC isn't going to handle this game all that well.
Anyways, i'm interested in systems.
Do they have plans for fleet based formations on autopilot with the flagship controlling relative positions in space and for the purposes of quantum travel?
How about mixed unit tactics/comms interlinks between a flagship and subordinates? Say I designate a Polaris as the flagship and it moves in formation with a Hammerhead with a queue of 2-3 Terrapins which will use the Polaris's hangar for refuel+repair+rearming. I want to be able to have a full officer bridge with a manned communications and radar officer. I want to be able to use the holo globe for BVR target acquisition and the Polaris's massive radars to ping everything for half a million kilometers.
If I have some kind of armed overwatch operation going in orbit over a planet and idk i want to keep pirates and vanduul raiders from pillaging my drug labs idk. I lost my train of thought. Are they just making this up as they go?

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>>2859871
>all that theorycraft shit
Pic rel.

>>2858369
>leave the billion dollar company alone
They should focus on making a fun and functional game then, cig has proven itself to be increasingly incompetent and defending them at all just shows how far gone you are.
Goyim brained retard

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>>2860764
>They should focus on making a fun and functional game then
I'm playing contested zones in pyro right now, waiting for a door to open while drinking my morning coffee.
I'm not going to pretend like there's an objective standard of 'fun' that CIG needs to reach but I think you should play something else if you don't enjoy SC.

>>2860874
>buy a life-sim but in space
>get DayZ
CIG should be hung, drawn, and quartered for the direction they've taken the game.

>>2860874
>leave the billion dollar company alone
We get it, you have no standards at all and are a goy, please stop saying it.
But really, I was sold and promised a space sim, instanced fps arenas were never part of it and defending them just means that you are utterly retarded.
Cig is a shit company now and the direction the game is going is also shit.
Defending it and them like you are doing just signals to others that you are a clown.

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>>2861167
>you have no standards at all and are a goy
Posting antisemitic memes during the initialization of the zionist digital surveillance state is peak brain damage.
>Defending it
I'm not afraid to criticize the game. I just don't think your arguments are reasonable or based in facts, only attention-seeking, dopamine-chasing, zoomer brained behavior.
If you actually dislike Star Citizen then go play something else. I want you to be happy doing something you enjoy instead of obsessing about things you hate.

>>2861414
>dopamine-chasing, zoomer brained behavior.
Ironic since they're wanting a space sim, not a dopamine-chasing zoomer fpa pvp game in instanced arenas. It's okay anon, plenty of people fall into the sunk cost fallacy too all the time. The first step is recognizing you have a problem. If wake up and get to that phase you'll understand the criticisms too.

>spend some money ten years ago
>"have you considered you have a problem?"
As I said, brain damage.

(you)

>>2858369
If you don't understand how the passage of time validates many of the criticisms then I'm sorry, you may just be retarded.
Will you say the same thing 2 years from now? 5? 10?

>>2859871
Uh, sounds like you want a tactical strategy game with an overhead view of the battlefield.
That uh.. that isn't this game. You're just a guy in a spaceship. You want to organize a fleet, you better get some friends and get on discord.

>>2861414
I am calling you a goy because you're acting like a goy, it isn't antisemitism at all, goy.
Furthermore stop defending cig and their systematized failure of game development

SC bad... it just is!

>>2860764
The people they have working for them are the cheapest in the business. If you pay peanuts, you get clowns. Ollie tried to showcase the new content live and unfiltered to regain trust from the players, and the fucking Midwits he got stuck with to demo their product ruined it. In any other business, those dipshits would be out on the street by end of day. UNSAT.

>>2862027
>a scam just flew over my house!

>>2861586
>Will you say the same thing 2 years from now? 5? 10?
I backed the game in 2013. That was thirteen years ago. Any and all enjoyment that could be derived from arguing with kvetching retards about the cash shop, bugs, rate of development etc etc etc lost its novelty ten years ago.
Nobody is reinventing the wheel by calling it a scam. You're just an idiot.

>people hoping for a playable version because 4.0 was stable enough to spend more than 2 hours on it...

brothers did you forgot that people literally VOTED for content instead of perfomance?
you cant have both at the same time be glad we can play whatever it is that this is nowdays and dont think much of it
(proud owner of a titan that understands giving away money to an obvious black hole is stupid)

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>>2863001

>>2863001
Since when was this about being a scam or not? Direct reply chain back to the top post that wasn't a reply never brought up scam accusations. The entire argument was whether criticism itself was valid.
And it is. Regardless of how early it started. The longer the project goes on, the more obvious it is that mismanagement is going to keep the project from living up to it's promise. Is it a scam? No, that would imply an intentional failure of the company in an effort to cash out and dip. It's not a scam by that sense. It is however a rather telling lesson in how software design and engineering, or a failure of such, leads to shitty software that's impossible to update or maintain.
But sure, tell me again in 10 years how perfect and infallible CIG is when they're fixing the same bugs that keep regressing since the first day Port Olisar went live.
If we don't see SQ42 release this year, we won't see it for another two years, and we won't see them put real effort into SC for another 5.

>>2863399
Everyone knows its a scam so no point in talking about that.
Regardless of what you originally pledged for, your current money you spend on Star Citizen are going to SQ42 that you might not even own.
Subscriptions are said to provide video content, well not anymore.
Etc.

It probably always was a bit of a scam on what CR actually wanted to do, but now its crystalized in his dream of SQ42. Hopefully out soon and CR on retirement so we can see what this game actually becomes.

>>2861592
sure but why wouldn't this functionality exist? Like a group autopilot you can manual away from?
If you consider all capabilities in development, there will probably be vanduul swarm missions and you'll need to organize 18-45 people in 6-8 ships to deal with them. Say you have a kraken just by itself, but loaded to the tits with fighters on pads, you can jump just like that. If you have a polaris, two redeemers, and a motley crew of vanguards to cutty bees and the mission starts with a jump to location, why wouldnt a flagship be able to organize a group jump or a semi auto movement in formation?

>>2863541
subscriptions need to give you 100% of your sub in melt value every month even if it's just melt value.

Star Citizen is facing this problem where it needs to generate PDFs to keep running but it neglects the older PDFs so we have shit like the expensive ass redeemer and then they release something like the Anvil Paladin and every redeemer owner in the world loses their shit and pays the $20 to upgrade
and so on and so forth, until all of the size 1 ships are effectively useless point a to point b ships and you have to hot bunk with a sweaty whale to get any action at all

>>2864119
You can do synchronized quantum jumps but it's still pretty hands on. Everyone does like like they're jumping normally, just that when everyone is ready, only one person has to trigger it and everyone is supposed to go together.
When it works, which is almost never.
But the rest of what you said sounds like a totally different kind of game. This isn't going to be a strategy game.

>>2864891
fleet-level interlink, sharing/designating targets, BVR target acquitition,. Maybe a mission where you're set to do armed overwatch/planetary screening for a big contract and expecting pirates or similar. You have beacons set up with terrapins out into the black and a few gunships ready to jump to your terrapins so your fleet can make sure no pirates can get by. How do you automate missions like this so they aren't automatic but still scripted enough to be fun?

>>2865679
You don't. This isn't that kind of game. You want to organize shared targets? Get on voice chat and figure out a chain of command/communication method. You want fleet level coordination, figure out how they've been doing it in real life outside video games and copy them.
This is a game full of people who want to manually fucking put bullets in magazines, and developers who can't even make inventory work right. Where the fuck are you getting these head in the cloud ideas from about what SC is going to be?

>>2866260
Thats both hyperbole and inaccurate. Games like arma or tarkov are like that. Star citizen doesnt know how to even do autism right. You cant really do much of anything in the game, least of all things related to ships.

my favorite gameplay loop is camping the pyro gateway