EA starts 1st of October for 15 mutt shekels+tip>what is M&MOldschool style mmorpg>is it just EQ clone?It's highly "inspired" by EQ, recent class revamps have moved it away from literal copy paste but you can still see EQ in almost everything in the game>How much content does the game have?4 starting zones and leveling content all the way up to max level of 60 and dungeons for all levels including endgame.>How's the gameplay loop?You grind mobs for thousands of hours mostly in group>Can I solo?You can depending on the class but excluding few outliers like Necromancer soloing becomes much slower past about lvl 20. Recent charm nerf sent previous op soloers like Enchanter and Druid to the suicide watch.>Why is the night so dark I can't see shit or *insert whine*?That's how games were when you were still swimming in your neighbours uncle's ballsacks lil zoomie.>Is the game doa like scamtheon was?You can follow their sub count in real time here: https://account.monstersandmemories.com/metrics Previous thread >>2880551
First for buff dudus
>>2978970I have no problem with low poly but the aesthetics are too cartoony
>>2979010I also hate how they lie with bs when people confront them about the shit tier characters "well if we make enough money we can add "x"!!!" fuck off with that lying bullshit and garbo art style
>>2978967it's immersive thoughever
>>2978967they made a second season? yuck
>>2979036>It's immerssive to type /h
>>2979067>oh no this new game made in 2026 has MUD commands>let's fucking cry about it
>>2978341This is a volunteer not for profit project, the guys working on this view it as a passion project and while the server owner said he'd love to pay them salaries, it's going to depend on subscriptions.
Is there any content an entire party of beastmasters with first aid can't handle? Stats don't seem to matter much so there seems to be more benefit to just having another creature beating on the target.
>>2979140After a certain point, replacing one of those with a shaman and another with a tank makes a whole lot of sense. Mobs later on have a lot of health and hit very hard.
>>2979140bm healing can't keep up with mob damage even at mid levels so your team would be constantly ressing their pets
I plan on playing a halfling fighter. I put 8 points into agility and 2 into stamina, picked Agile as the trait, infravision, warrior, and merchant.
>>2979247should swap warrior for shieldman because blocking is the hardest skill for tank to keep up because you won't use shield most of the time, warrior is probably among the worst since it's trivially easy to keep this maxed
The sounds female deep gnomes make when they're getting hit あんあんあんあんあん
>>2979280おんあんHarder!
>https://forum.monstersandmemories.com/d/987-enchanter-deep-dive-discussion
5,826 subsHopefully the server devs stop listening to the streamers whining and complaining and instead focus on making the game fun.
are the servers shutting down tonight and wiping beta?
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>>2979392>>making the game fun>hey you know what I bet the people will like? HELL LEVELS! yeah let's bring back the most hated part of classic EQ and give the exp bar a cool flame graphic! WOO THIS IS SO MUCH FUNthe guys making this game wouldn't know what fun is if it bit them in the ass
>>2979520>I am mad at a challenge.
>>2979545lol if you think hell levels are a "challenge." A challenge in patience, maybe. M&M is doomed because no one is wowed by playing and socializing with people in an online world anymore. That's the only thing that kept people invested in the insane grind that was EQ. The road to success for M&M was to make the leveling experience itself take some effort while being enjoyable enough that people want to keep rolling alts and do it again. Not to make it a soul sucking grind in an age where relatively no one wants that shit. You can have all the old school shit you want, but don't make leveling feel like a second job. That shit is played the fuck out and you're seeing it in their abysmal subscriber numbers.
>>2979565>"no one is wowed by playing and socializing with people in an online world anymore"everytime someone says this retarded faggot ass WRONG opinion it makes me laugh, you're a retarded faggot loser.underage didnt get into MMO's until WoW ass faggot
>>2979574nigger I was playing MUDs on my packard bell long before EQ came out, but sure, let's reassess this in a year when M&M will surely be booming kek
>>2979580sure you were faggot indian boomeralso I'm not even a fan of M&M so nice job assuming little faggot loser LOL
>>2979584I accept your concession.
>>2979587ok accept this *unzips*
>>2979590bro put your axe wound away
>>2979592come here boomer
>>2979565i met friends and had fun
>>2979565stop killing the vibe man
imagine getting btfo by a shitty version of THJ run by a troon lmao
>>2979668EQL had several months to build up to 15k subs, and they are in decline, this game isn't even 1.0 yet and a lot of people don't want to play until it is. If you want to go play DayBreak's insufferable troon server be my guest
>>2979677why would I pay to play a shitty version of THJ run by a troon? M&M has been hyped for years. retarded impulsive boomers were paying $500 for beta keys. yet now that subs are open it turns out no one really wants to pay for EQ in an ugly not-Norrath. it was always just a tiny group of loud boomers and troons on discord
For it's aion 2, WoW forever, and GTA VI.
>>2979682listen, if you paid for the game for me, and the subscription cost, i still wouldn't play any of these. I have beyond zero interest in GTA 6, WoW Forever streamer turdbox edition, or some korean gacha/cash shop pvp grindfest
>>2979713>the people want classic+>give them blue elvesgenius
>>2979713I boughted a ps5 pro and GTA VI ultimate edition
This team has not only convinced 50 people to work for free for years but now thousands of people are paying them to provide free QA testing.I don't know if I'm more shocked by the manipulative sociopaths running this or the sheep that are enabling them.
>>2979769It's called a passion project. People are allowed to volunteer their time, the server developer paid for all of the associated costs of maintaining an IP and has been funding this out of pocket.
>>2979786Hey Shawn
>>2979838Would you prefer some studio funded by outside investor cash where investors got money on their mind and don't much care how fun the game is as long as it makes a profit? because the gacha corner is over there.
I think the beta servers just shut down for good, they had some kind of event with the devs but i didn't go. It was too laggy. I was busy trying to come up with a winning money making strategy for early game but it seems like this whole entire game is going to be really busy for a while come the first. There might be groups just fighting to get out of the starter mobs. All the other camps will probably be busy too. I hope we can have something like super fast respawns for the first 8 hours or whatever.
>>2980089there are beggars in NH slums that you can kill for exp but you lose faction with the city watch so people won't be doing it, but you can get to level 4 before the guards start attacking you. You can fix this later by lighting braziers in town for a little coin and rep.
>>2979010Yeah, I do think I prefer the EQ or even Quake era low polygon/blocky style, but I understand why a game made in 2021+5 wouldn't replicate that.
>>2979955>being such a retarded simp for such a garbo game you actually bring up gacha slopsad
>>2980524Can you show us on the doll where the game touched you?
>>2980502EQ was almost built with the Quake engine. Imagine bunny hopping across Norrath.
>>2980538looks like it's touching your lips with how much you glaze it with your shittier rebuttals.
>>2980556You probably never even played this game and you just come here for attention.
>>2980561I would say the same to you if you really think there's nothing wrong with the game.It has a metric ton of problems and it's ok for people to criticize those problems and talk about them.Hiding behind bullshit like "hurr durr it's self funded" is hilarious when we're discussing the horrendous models and art style.
>>2980572And yet here you are. You know how to fuck off, you just don't have the ability because you're an attention seeking faggot.
>>2980586Why do so many shit eating boomers like you plague the m&m community? lmao
>>2980586>attention seekinganon this is an anonymous imageboard
>>2980642
>>2979466*tries to run across bridge into city, dies horribly*
>>2980664eat my underoos, boomer.
>>2980668Post your subscription page, you won't.
>>2980672Nice try, Shawn.
I can't decide what to roll...
>>2981449Uninstall Wizard
>>2981578are there a high population of wizards or no? do groups really want them?
>>2981870Uninstall Wizard is more of a solo class
>>2981870No. As it stands right now wizard is the worst dps class in the game because they simply don't have sustained dps to be useful in groups. They specialize in burst dps and it's not really valuable in a marathon game like this where you are ideally killing in a constant stream.
>>2981870Don't go wizard just yet. They're unfinished and the spell research feature isn't implemented yet
>>2981896Wow, just like EQ Wizards! I'm so surprised. Are you surprised? Uninspired garbage.
not subbing until ranger and necro deepdives
>>2982038same except not subbing until trolls are implemented and their starting zone
>>2982006My favorite thing they included just because it was like that in EQ is weapons always being unsheathed. Not an EQ clone though.
>>2980674This guy don't even play here, he's just an attention seeking troll
>>2979769Imagine actually having faith in a project that has proven to be actively developed with love that's also a ton of fun to play right now
It's amazing how fiercely fags will come to an obscure thread to shit on a game they supposedly hate, just because it's trying to be a true spiritual successor to one of the best MMOs of all time.
>>2982253its just one guy, and he's mentally ill attention seeking troll
Or maybe I'm someone who had high hopes for this game and wanted a true spiritual successor that wasn't just making Unity EQ in not-Norrath. What reason do I have to play this over P99? Why play a cheap knockoff with objectively uglier graphics at higher pixel counts when I could play the real thing? Why play this over the other EQ EMU servers that offer truly unique and interesting gameplay innovations WITH the nostalgia of actually playing real EQ in Norrath? M&M is immensely disappointing so yeah, I'm shitting on it in your thread. Cry about it, faggot.
guy just admits to trolling outside of /b/
>if you say bad things about my favorite EQ clone you're trolling
Why don't you go make an Adrullan fanfic thread and lurk there. It won't be ready for another 3 years but you can be assured it will be a shameless EQ clone.
>>2982386Because I never had any interest in Adrullan. Not a Minecraft fan.
I wish we had more EQ-like options than this, Adrullan (which won't be out for years), and Erenshor (which is singleplayer).
>>2982395its actually fun, i played the beta it's VERY everquest
There's also FFXI, I'm sure one of them will pop in any time now and remind you the PhoenixXi server dropped today. That's the most EQ-alternate game. It's like if EQ was linux, FFXI would be the MacOS equivalent, all pretty.
>>2982439Yeah but I don't want a clone. That's my whole point here. Pantheon was actually much closer to what I wanted, but the game's management team is retarded so it will never get out of development hell.
>>2982450sumptin sumptin nose rubble
>>2982450This is like if Pantheon wasn't mismanaged and was instead run by a team of volunteers who get out what they put in, and some random investment group looking for a World of Warcraft cash money payout isn't barking in their faces every week about "deliverables"
>>2978970The name is off-putting. Its like calling something "Nostalgiabait". Even if its concept is good in theory there's a soullesness inherent to it because of it.
>>2982297I'll take your gay bait:>What reason do I have to play this over P99? p99 is largely played out in a very real sense. There are only so many times you can kill Vulak and Tunare before you realize it's actually over and you aren't going to get the high back. I mean, you DID beat Tunare and Vulak and draft with all the green guilds for literal years and get endgame raid gear, right? You're not some kvetching faggot who got washed out by High Keep goblins at level 20, right? >Why play a cheap knockoff with objectively uglier graphics at higher pixel counts when I could play the real thing? I don't even have a snarky reply to this. Are you really so female and gay that you need muh heckin AAA realism? Do you want Debra "Bugeyed-Nigger" Wilson to mocap and face model Emperor Crush? If you're complaining about the art style itself, 90% of the game looks like fucking EQ so I don't even understand what your tranny brain wants.>Why play this over the other EQ EMU servers that offer truly unique and interesting gameplay innovations WITH the nostalgia of actually playing real EQ in Norrath? Because they're ALL SHIT. Fucking which? Quarm? Quarm is and has always been fucking shit and not EQ at all. They made that clear when they literally made Rubi into a tranny set. P99 is the best EQ experience there is, including retail, and that hasn't changed in over a fucking decade. >M&M is immensely disappointing>my female feelings justify crashing out over dozens of threadsI know deeply that you will never be a woman, but trannies like you sometimes convince me it's actually possible.
>>2982844+1 for Debra "Bugeyed Nigger" Wilson to face model Emperor Krush and do the Kamala Harris booty dip collab
>>2982297maybe because p99 is stale as fuck, will never get new content or balance passes and it plays like fucking dogshit
maybe I'll player shards of dalaya again
>>2982844>>2983189I agree completely that P99 is stale and played out. That's why I don't play it. The point is that M&M IS P99 with a Unity paintjob. It's the exact same experience in a world you have no attachment to. People only suffered the EQ grind because back in the day they didn't know better and MMOs were novel and today because nostalgia. M&M is doomed. Cope and seethe.
>>2983198it would be great if they could maintain more than 40 players. I played SoD back when it had 600-700 online and did for years, that's a solid EQ pserver.
>>2983208>M&M IS P99 with a Unity paintjobYes! Exactly! In active deleopment working on new mechanics and concepts! On top of that, I enjoy the new classes they have, I enjoy the new capital cities they made (Underdocks is completely genuinely kino as shit), the music is fantastic, and the atmosphere of the game in terms of who is currently playing it is all shit I absolutely want to be a part of. Is it rough right now? Unfinished? A bit janky? Yup, but I see what they're going for and I love the direction they've already taken. Just the amount of progress they've made in like 6 months is kind of shocking for a small, volunteer team. I remember when Night Harbor was the only place to start.Ultimately the reason I'm pushing back on people like you is that you're disappointed because right this second it's not you're idealized dream game. As of this second, the game has an upward trajectory and could very conceivably be the game every EQ fan has always wanted, but is currently getting shit on because... the Gypsy girls in Oasis don't have Insomniac man-jaws...? It's okay, lil bro. You really don't have to be cynical about everything, especially when it genuinely seems like these people actually have a vision they care about that aligns with grognards like me.
mnm makin' ya seethe?
>>2983316I visited the site and the forums looked dead, apparently everyone moved to "dalaya" because the main dev had a freakout and quit? The forums for the new site is that fucking garbage shit-tier discourse base type, pain in the ass to navigate and 98% of the information is in the fucking discord anyway.Fuck, maybe I won't go back to dalaya.
>>2983320Like I said before I'm going to support the hell out of these guys. Compared to the team that took 11 years to make the dogshit pile that is Embers Adrift and the team that took 13 years and 10 million US cocaine sniffers to make PantheonThese guys look like they're doing great.
>>2983379IDK what happened to Wiz, i think he decided to let the project continue under other leadership. SoD is probably the best EQ-derived private custom server , and it's even better now. The problem is it's on RoF2 and the team spent so much time and effort moving it to RoF2 because it was supported at the time by Steam, and now you can't get it. Imperium has a copy on their website but it's technically illegal to host
>>2983408People genuinely think he croaked, nobody from the project knew who he actually was, and it might have been by design.
>>2983391The only reason I'm so stoked is because I saw this game go from shitty asset-flip-tier alpha to "basically EQ for real" in real time. I'm beyond stoked for the 1st.
>>2983426Wiz was probably Brad McQuaid
>>2983486Wiz quit to go work for Paradox Interactive and just left things how they were.
>>2983208They're braindead boomer tourists who will throw money at any garbage as long as it makes their grey boomer wee wee's go awooooogaAion 2, WoW forever, and GTA VI are going to bury this unfinished heap of shit completely.
>>2983208>People only suffered the EQ grind because back in the day they didn't know better and MMOs were novel and today because nostalgia.airhead take.
>>2983885>braindead boomer tourists who will throw money at any garbage >WoW forever,
>>2983885literally cannot stop seething
>>2983885>Aion 2, WoW forever, and GTA VI are going to bury this unfinished heap of shit completely.We're not on the same team.
>>2983895>>2983924>>2983931>speak the truth>triple boomer (You)'s instantlylmao
What race should I make my Archer?
>>2983949Gobbo
>>2983943guy take a breather, you've been here all day trolling like it's your day job. Nobody's paying you to come here and be a faggot.
interesting, why weren't these the models that we got?
>>2984008no I left for 10 hours earlier, lmaoalzheimer's hitting you hard
>>2983885>Aion 2LOL
anyone else get star wars vibes from the deep elves? They remind me of sith purebloods and the music reminded me of SWTOR a little bit, the da-nah part Maybe it's just my autism.
>>2982554Games like this are like scam emails, they're meant to filter for the dumbest retards
what did he mean by this
I'm glad this month only has 30 days, I'm having withdrawals already. They could have kept the beta going until the end.
I fucking NEED to play more monsters und mammalies
>game isn't even out yet and it's already heading towards 7k subs10k subscrubbers on launch confirm?
>>2984880we'll get there, 10k will be pretty huge.
>>2984818it's mansters and mammaries
>>298490775% will bounce right off once they realize it is not flavored eqe with safety wheels but p99 purist tier autism.
WHERE ARE THE FUCKING RANGER AND NECRO DEEP DIVES?
>>2984955>filteredoh well
>>2984975It's down there somewhere, let me take another look
>>2984975They said it won't be out until after EA, so 2nd October or later.
>>2985031are they fucking retarded?people kinda need to know how those classes are going to be for the launch
>>2984513he's blindly defending his shit tier game with its shit tier name which is a play on dnd aka a boomer reference
I'm so stoked. Really withdrawing like when I had to go to school instead of stay home and play eq.
>>2985407yeah I'm in that lull where I don't want to get invested in anything launch, but it's just making the wait worse
>>2984955Even if that happens, that's still 2500 which is at least 500 more than peak p99 which I'm sure they've factored into their calculations.
>>2985059you can find out after subbing and paying for the privilege to be a pay piggy, they need to pay their guys so whip out the credit card and get to testing while they vibe code, piggu.
>>29855322500 was peak players online at once, not total players
7,035 active subscriptionsThe starting areas are going to be asses and elbows, i should play on a lower pop server.
>>2986481Yeah I'm thinking of going east 2 and hopefully it isn't dead for a long time before they merge
>>2986481wood elf starting zone going to be best because only dudus play them anyway, deep elf shithole is unfinished and will be drowning on ranger larpers and necro edgelords
>>2986664I'm 50/50 on druid or elementalist, both are great but i feel like elementalist is going to be a huge cornerstone
>>2986721I'm worried about druid. Whiny little fags on discord keep crying for it to be nerfed
>>2986752Elementalist just feels like a safe choice, idk if it's still planned but being able to summon party members to you will be like hey i can summon a 96% rez or my friend big corpse draggerton the goblin rogue
Which game will have a higher population M&M or WoW forever?
Elementalist and Necro are going to be the most played by far because they can solo to max and everyone is a dad with 16 kids and 5 minutes a week of playtime.
go back to your troon forever thread
>>2986910gee i dunno, which do you think?
>>2986921>>2986924so you both agree, WoW will?
>>2984008>Nobody's paying you to come here and be a faggot.lol. lmao.
>>2986752druid already got nerfed to the ground with the combo of dot nerfs, heal nerfs and charm nerf
>>2986792there's no call of the hero equivalent here, ele is just a winddfury totem bot for melee if you know what that is
>>2986927no shit retard, sheep stay with the herd
>>2986911ele is not even in top 5 soloers though
>>2986927I think we both agree that we don't care. populations are great for shitty twitch streamers.
>>2986951I'm more interested in the group utility and sustain
>>2986955ele is middle of the pack in those toowell below average in sustain because lol mana
>>2986911I'll have at least 2 days a week to play all day thanks to wfh. So I'm going to go enc so I can find groups quick, hopefully
>>2986947>>2986953Why does WoW make you tranny boomers seethe so much?
>>2987001why do you bring your zoomer game to an unrelated thread?
>>2987009WoW is 22 years oldWouldn't M&M be a zoomer game since it's not even out yet?
>>2987001I'm not seething at all, you came here to be a retarded troll. Thanks for bumping our thread i guess?
>>2987027>>2987064Consider reporting and ignoring newfags especially the underage kind when they make off-topic posts. :)
oy vey
>>2987135goblins need their noses redone like this
>>2987120>talking about mmorpgs that release at the same time as another mmorpg is apparently off topicyou're retarded
>>2987195>comes here to troll>gets called out on it>no wait i was actually doing this>you're retardedI am genuinely curious if it is painful being this much of a retard
I thought they were going to nerf it more. Made a big deal out of not a whole lot. It might still be worth taking, its just not going to remove all magic effects and make your MR 255
>>2987588err scratch that first part, i couldn't actually read it on my screen and i can now.
which brings me to my next point. I'm a crotchety old spunker with bad eyesight and the text is too small. the UI looks like unmitigated turbo aids and whoever put it together needs to reconsider their actions and seek penance. If we're not going to be able to heavily modify the UI, they need to make it at very least readable. Put the useless shit on another page.
>>2987698Yes, I have trouble with their font as well. You can increase the UI scale and the chat font but I find it to be low contrast. If I compare it to EQ or FFXI that text is so readable because of its brightness relative to the game.
>>2986481You're not wrong, but I played Green when it was a week old and by then everything mellowed right out. It's really only going to be a shitshow for the first two days, and then you'll appreciate the greater grouping options with the higher pop servers. I'm really thinking of maining some shit ghetto class no one wants to group with like Wizard or Ranger or something so I can get groups while there are millions running, as opposed to when groups get fewer and fewer and spots are at a premium.
>>2986752There are so many faggots on the discord it's unreal. They're bitching about the daytime blur effect penalty of Ultravision and whining about how there should be an accessibility toggle to turn it off for the people who "get headaches." Luckily these homos will probably get washed out as the levels progress.
>>2987950Ranger's probably going to be better than you think. Right now the consensus on Wizard is it's bad. I'd never turn down a Ranger
>>2986927And two billion people are cricket fans around the world so I guess cricket is better than WoW
>>2987957I hope ultravision makes people think twice about coming to the surface during the day time.
>>2987962Imagine actually having compelling design with compelling tradeoffs. I hope the devs never listen to a fucking soul on discord
>>2987957I don't know what state it's now but in the beta that I played ultravision was extremely unpleasant eye cancer and it'd just make you reroll if it was in the state it was. I assume they've fixed it up since then. This is a game that they're expecting people to play for long hours and making it physically uncomfortable to sit down at your pc and look at it is just pointless cbt.
>>2987962That's cool if they make it an actual decision that you can make and you're not just forced to suck it up most of the time. How long is the day cycle in this game and is the underground connected enough that you can get there at dawn? You kind of need to design the whole world around enabling that kind of choice.
>>2987970i don't think it goes far enough. People with ultravision should have their magic weakened and their piwafwis shredded by that sweet sweet sunlight. Also their adamantite blades should lose their magic enchantments.
>>2987996You need to do a lot of extra work for that to be feasible, they don't have neither budget nor design capacity to do it properly considering the absolute state of deep elves zones.
>>2988102It was just a thing that happened to drow in the very very beginning of the menzoberranzan series
>>2988120Sure but if you make several races just not function outside of underdark you need entire infrastructure there, mirrored level bracket zones, different entrances into common dungeons, unique content locked only to them so they can trade for unique things from surface etc etc. So far in m&m it is just a shitty gimmick and you are supposed to grind reputation to not be kos and join everyone else on surface pretty soon.Devteam really spreading themselves too thin, notKelethin is there just to be there and has very little infrastructure support for example, and they still want to do like 2 more starting cities on top of it which is absolutely insane.
>>2988244it seems like we're all meant to loosely follow drizzt's path
>>2988244Anon, he was kidding.
>>2987698I wish I had a screenshot but I liked the extensibility of the luclin-era UI, it was all XML driven so you could cosmetically modify just about every conceivable element without writing actual addons into the game. Sure the UI wasn't as 'soulful' as pre-luclin but you could just replicate the P99 UI with it too.I guess, given what the culture is like these days, you could probably have an XML element that live-updates the file based on a third party program running in the background, and get 'extra data' that way. Or just hack into the game's runtime memory directly like people do with FFXIV.
>>2988502I really liked the Luclin UI, it wasn't perfect but it was very aesthetically pleasing
>>2987962It's only fair when humans can't see shit in the dark
>>2988744I think human rangers should get a special trait called bright torches, and their torches should be 25-50% brighter and last 50% longer when they're nearby such as a camp.
>>2989032I mean, humans can't see for shit, who would be better at making torches and campfires?
>>2989051idk probably a WIZ or ELE
Being blind in darkness is categorically, unambiguously more detrimental than having a minor blur effect in outdoor daytime, what is wrong with you faggots. 75% of the game is darkness, whether outside, in dungeons, or in the Deep. The amount of time you actually spend outdoors, on the surface, for extended periods of time is trivial in the long run.
>>2989493this, objectively speaking deep races have advantage in like 75% of the game>deep+dungeons>outdoors at night which is 50% of the timeso little blur is a small price to play
Are there sources of magic ultravision? Does magic ultravision have the blur with the solution "just click it off numbskull"?There could be potions/buffs for magic vision or "day" vision (disable ultravision and its blur). More utility is always nice to have.
Man people are really kvetching about Wizards on the official forums. I feel like they're not that bad, but reading this thread makes it sound like they're cancerhttps://forum.monstersandmemories.com/d/1113-wizard-needs-help-it-is-among-the-worst-damage-class-in-the-game-right-now
>>2989590Making a consumable to remove the say blindness would be kino honestly. I'm all for non-combat and gimmick magic effects
>>2989590>There could be potions/buffs for magic vision or "day" vision Just add sunglasses to the game. Much more stylish, and you won't have to deal with greedy "alchemist" trying to hook deep gnomes and drows onto lifelong potion addictions.
>>2989594They're supposed to be nukers but are at the bottom of dps. They're obviously unfinished though as spell crafting isn't in yet
>>2989609Also wings in the cash shop
>>2989594It's a combination of everything post-iphone needing to be the MOST SERIOUSLY ULTRA URGENT ABSOLUTELY FAGTASTICAL GET ON THSI RIGHT NOW PROBLEM maximum-tone-amplification that social media has trained in everyone (frankly I'm guilty of it even when posting on 4chan) and the related trend in gaming that if something isn't 110% meta broken then it is garbage. A notion that is exceptionally common in a game that requires multiplayer cooperation.
>>2989594you probably didn't get to very high level if you think wiz is fine, they are the worst dps in the game by a lot
>>2989594>wizards are rightfully crying their dps class has shit dps>enchanters are crying their support class can no longer do three people's worth of dps
>>2982131I think that's just them being lazy and not bothering to do extra animations and spots for the weapons to hang on the character. It's a shame because it adds so much to the game to have those. >>2982408I was surprised how decent Erenshor was when I tried the demo. Like yeah it's jank and low budget and ugly as hell but what it does it does pretty well.>>2982447Playing on Phoenix right now and yeah it's a proper oldschool MMORPG. It's got its own thing going on but definitely some EQ dna in there.
Why aren't you fags playing the stress test right now?
>>2989714The problem with Erenshor is you can do the exact same thing, but in a much better game using wow azerothcore with playerbots.
>>2983885>shills Aion 2 in a thread where people couldn't care lessGo play your zoomer gacha waifu autoplay trash and shut the fuck up.
>>2989780because it's over
>>2984192If you look closely those are drawn on the screenshot of the model. They are concepts, not final. I imagine they will keep adding more as time goes on. That's how it's been so far.
I really forget the fact that even in the face of blatant trolls shitting up this thread, just by virtue of being on 4chan we will never have to listen to insufferable reddit 40 year olds talk like this
>>2987588Is that the nerfed version?>>2987959Who knows what's ranger gonna be after the rework.>>2989614>They're obviously unfinished though as spell crafting isn't in yetI think spell crafting got thrown out the window with the glyph approach to wizards allowing them to have most of their kit available at any time. Maybe it will come in some form but don't expect it to save wizard from being shit.
>>2989927live, laugh, lootthis game sucks btw
>>2989797But that's WoW.Erenshor dev only played Everquest as far as MMOs go, so Erenshor was influenced by EQ, not WoW.
>>2990007WoW was influenced by EQ too you dingus and when you make your own private server you can tune things exactly the way you want them, especially if you just have Claude do coding for you. You can turn WoW into a hardcore EQ grinder if you want and it's way fucking better than shity ass Unity asset Erenshor.
>>2990018Okay dude.
>>2989590Idk I kind of like my torches idea. Ranger is already thought of as a weak class, give it some utility and suddenly people are like hey ya know what? Infravision sucks let's bring this human who makes the brightest campfires and torches. He can make the room we're camping in so bright that it doesn't matter we're deep underground.
Why do people not want to play tanks? It's not like WoW where you're going to have to memorize dungeons. You just bang the drums and make the Africa face. It's a DD class but with taunts and shit. I can't play a tank on WoW because of the toxic shit rat community but on FFXI tanking is fun.
>pay for early accessI'm irrationally mad about this shit.
>>2989797But it is a new game you haven't played (I assume). There's appeal in that. For me I've gone through WoW far too many times. I would never play it solo. What fun I can still extract from WoW is strictly from playing with other people. >>2990040It spooks people out to have responsibility in a group and handling multiple mobs is not nearly as smooth as it is in a game like WoW. >>2990059It was always going to be a sub game.
>>2990040Isn't inq one of the more popular classes
>>2990059I'm surprisingly ok with it. Playing a completed mature game is fine and all but playing new areas that aren't finished and don't even have a wiki page?Not from the frustrating gameplay aspect but from the pure adventuring POV. Hey this dungeon has a random named wonder what it drops? Then you get a screenshot and add it to the wiki yourself.
>>2990080It's probably roughly FFXI like your bard puller locks down a group of mobs and the tank picks one, engages with it, and the DPS follow suit.
>>2990093but it's not like that everything is mapped out and documented within a day lol
I'm glad we had a chance to scope out Underdocks. Now I'm even more confident that Evershade is the best starting zone.
>>2990087it's literally the second least popular after archer
>>2990130AV is the best starting zone. Everything is brokenAnd there is an absolute abundance of mobs.
>>2990080>>2990093I might be getting caught up with the Early Access name. I assume they're resetting all servers on release? I don't want to pay and then lose my progress.
>>2990140No this is release. There might be -new servers- at some point, like if we ever reach a 1.0, there might be new servers for people who want to jump in fresh.
>>2990130Evershade mogs them all>NH overpopulated npc zone>underdocks? moar liek unfinished docks>AV is unfinished shit
>>2990140EA characters won't get wiped. When 1.0 comes out they'll make fresh start servers though.
>>2990140it's EA in name only, it's de facto release and nothing will get wiped anymore
>>2990144Yeah I want to play where the crowd isn't. I don't want to have to fight over picks. It's going to be a locust swarm in here for a while.
>>2990030>Ranger is already thought of as a weak classof course it is. it's the only one that looked fun to me. before the deep dive of course.
>>2990143>>2990153>>2990155Thank you. Looking forward to playing on Estaire.
Thoughts on Beastmaster?
>>2990018Claude won't make you new Solusek Eye or Guk in wow yet
>>2990198I think ranger is the coolest utility class. This game forces you to consider other aspects of what you bring with you, like hey maybe stacking rogues isn't the best idea.
>>2990218Good DD class with lots of utility. Everyone likes the wasp pet because of the slow utility but I'd prefer a tankier pet.
>>2990220Well that already exists. Look up EQWOW
>>2990241It doesn't though, i want fresh new things, not what i already know running on different client.
I think the hardest part about being a tank in this game is 1. Good armor is expensive. You have to gear up for mitigation. Fighter looks really cool. Stat wise I think you want agility dex, stamina, str in that order2. You don't get shit else for utility. Completely at the whims of your more capable party members. Drag queen the goblin rogue, resurrecty mcresurrectington III, the cleric, mister mcmezz the guy making sure you aren't the meat hole on the floor
>>2990271yeah but none of them can survive like you while holding threatalso fighters pump out good dps at least they did before the rework I didn't play for a long time and they happened so maybe they suck now? idk but early in the beta fighter was really really good
>>2990093>Then you get a screenshot and add it to the wiki yourself.kys
>>2990218at the moment it's the second highest dps at higher levels and the only melee that has at least some soloabilitytheir wasp pet is still op even after it got nerfed
>>2990280It looks fantastic, like that's exactly what I wanted a tank to be. Warrior in EQ was extremely boring. Fighter gets utility and a ranged threat to break a mezz.
>>2990284Doesn't the wasp get murdered in a random flurry/double attack?
>>2990283Someone submitted their hand drawn map of underdocks and that's how I got around for a week. Now this is pod racing.
>>2990040Tanking in EQ is the opposite problem, it's more boring than being a DPS. You sit in the camp and hit things but you do noodle damage. At least with a damage class I can stroke my cock at the numbers I'm putting out.
>>2990289yes if you dumb enough to fight even cons past lvl 20, when people say BM is decent solo it's only relative to other melee who pretty much can't
>>2990294I just mean why aren't they more popular? Tanks are the most desirable group members and it's not like WoW or FF14 where you have to memorize all the dungeon paths and just remember where to go and how to fight this obscure boss you fought once in story mode.
>>2990306I'm talking about in a group, the tank loses hate, the bug gets swatted.
>>2990297Absolutely literally kino and sovl
>>2990297>there are no maps you have to explore>every retard plays with 3rd party map on second monitorI still don't get this retarded purism. At least add cartography skill in the game or something.
>>2990297At the start of Early Access, two separate people were making zone and dungeon maps, respectively. They each only made about 4 before disappearing ;_;
>>2990328for Erenshor*
>>2990326I really liked the EQ map system that let players draw the maps in-game, too bad it almost immediately devolved into pixel-perfect computer-drawn maps disseminated to everyone. (Though I still like that wireframe style more than ultra high def satellite images of fantasy landscapes.)
>>2990309the tank is not going to randomly lose aggro to a pet in this game
>>2990326"It's good that the game doesn't have maps!">downloads a map addon"It's good that the game doesn't hold your hand!">looks up all the quests on the wiki>"The darkness is an intentional design decision you're supposed to play around!">adjusts gamma"It's supposed to be a social game!">multi-boxesI don't trust that any of these sycophantic purists believe their own bullshit.
>>2990326>I don't understand why people want to physically look at a mapI'm not trolling you at all when I say looking at a second screen or alt tabbing rather than having a minimap is actual sovl and I wish more people understood it. Having the wiki up on p99 didn't upset me, it got me more interested in learning the world and seeing all the detailed breakdowns per zone. If anything it was way more immersive than just having a map.
>>2990367Of course a faggot anime poster would never understand that some people actually do like these things and stick to their preferences, because the faggot anime poster is a slave to their instant gratification and need to constantly indulge their unbridled hedonism
>>2990326Some ingame mechanic to create maps with a profession would be 10/10 kino
>>2990384Damn, somebody felt called out.
>>2990371Wikifagging defeats the purpose of doing exploration and the whole song and dance of old school mmos in the first place, you are a fucking tourist sightseeing, not adventurer braving the unknown.
>>2990384How come this thread has been attracting no-shame newfags shitting all over the walls with off-topic faggotry?
>>2990409>>2990426>>2990438Incredible how much you babies want your hand held with minimaps
>>2990447Nothing about my post above yours mentioned maps. You are more than welcome to return to whichever gay website you came from at any time.
>>2990451It's alright champ, maybe if you bitch more on discord they'll cave and tank the game for you
>>2990460>newfag vaguepostingsasuga
>>2990447Said anon with interactive map and wiki on his second monitor
>>2990474>interactive mapyou insufferable queers literally have no idea what you're talking about, what soul is, or what this game is trying to accomplish
I didn't have an issue killing mobs during the stress test. Seems like they really cranked up the respawn rate
>>2990492While everything was shitting the bed, I still got level 2 pretty easily. I'm pretty excited for launch honestly
>>2990486>soul is knowing exactly all the named locations, placeholders and drops, as well as all the traps and fake wallsNot beating the tourist allegations there anon
>>2990525>the community banding together for literal years/decades to create and chart the game for everyone to reference, up to and including accurate, hand-dawn maps, is bad and a minimap is betterIt's incredible the lengths you fags will go to change the game to appease your inability to play a game without handholding. Yellow-paint-brained zoomers. Sad, really.
I really can't fucking decide what to rolldruid stonks are down the toilet and I was so dead set
>>2990551druids my first choice in most games im just tired of babysitting peoples health anymore
>>2990551Druid soloabilty and healing both took a death touch to the balls but I'm coping they'll be buffed in ea balance patch.Probably a fools hope since community is still mentally 4 patches behind with their hurr dudu le op memes
>>2990551i was dead set on playing an elementalist now i want to play a halfling fighter
how do i gear up a fighter while playing it? do i need to play an alt first?
toss some coin to your fighter, o' valley of plenty~ ooh ooh ah
In spite of all the anti-shilling I'm going Deep Gnome Wizard and literally none of you can stop me.>>2990551The nature of the druids kit will mean they will always solo well and have port utility, which is generally huge. Even if your numbers change the class will be good, it just might not get as many groups as it used to.>>2990655I played p99 for two years and spent most of my time actively raiding endgame and I can tell you for a fact that one of the more difficult things I did was level a solo self found Warrior. I don't quite know how similar Warriors are to MnM Fighters, but if they're similar you really need to stay on top of your gearing as best you can as often as you can.
>>2990733>>2991787Meant to quote you
>>2991787>>2991789Right, thanks. I dunno how tanks get geared up to bare minimum ass standards in the beginning, do I run off and get copper and make a full set of that? I'm confident I can figure out the play style I just don't want to be a squishy fighter. Is self found non solo an option? I want to group with others but it would be cool if I had to get my gear in ways other than dumpster diving vendors.
>>2991787Warrior wasn't bad on P99 when the incombat bind wound trick still worked, actually made EQ feel like an actual game and not pure garbage then faggot loser rogean had to go and fix it.such a fucking harmless thing
>>2991801Again I can only really talk about p99 but in EQ I had to often just kill mobs that gave me money (tradeskill loot, or valuable vendor trash) even if they didn't give me exp, just so I could keep up to actually be effective in exp groups. I'm sure if you just buy vendor stuff you'll be okay, like maybe try to get a full set of rawhide or whatever at level 1-4 and then work from there. Stam and AC followed by damage stats/weapons should probably be your priority. Vendor loot was actually good in EQ. On a new server with nothing, buying Combine Long Swords and Fine Steel Plate was actually good shit. Obviously that isn't the case now, but you bet your ass on a fresh server it is. Don't forget that for the first like month everyone is going to effectively be self-found.
>>2991859Rogean is gay and everyone managing p99 are all gay and they refuse to open a new server because they're fucking gay despite the fact if they did that p99 would jump to 3k players minimum fucking overnight.
>>2991973you can take that rawhide and a kit and take rawhide scraps between 1-2 and combine them in a lw kit and it gives you another AC per piece, it's pretty great for low effort gear
>>2991981very true but at least he is no where near as gay as secrets, nick, and shawn
>>2991787Actually druid does not solo well anymore because they have dick all damage
>>2992372Elementalist solos well?
>>2990541The fuck is your fixation on minimap? No there shouldn't be minimap, there should be a basic map available in game or acquirable with in game tools however. It is also rich that wikifagging retard accuse somebody else of yellow painting when you are playing with a fucking walkthrough on the side at all times.
>>2992383well better than most melee but not reallythey lack any kind of decent cc that makes solo viable for necrohigher level mobs just tear thorugh your pet and then you have fuck all
How is the game for EUbros? The biggest hurdle for me playing on p99 or Quarm was getting to level 30+ and then being able to find no groups because everyone else was playing on NA timezones.
>>2992437BM has the wasp pet which inflicts slow and the slow makes mobs hit much slower so the wasp takes less damage over the fightthis means that wasp is better tank pet than the actual tank pets because slow+faster kill time from nominal dps pet means that fight will be over faster and the pet took less damage than the supposed tank pet would have taken
>>2992436kinda afraid to roll on EU server desu, scamtheon's EU server was pretty damn doa
>>2992436well for starters you're getting scammed by having to fork out for whatever the tax is on top of the $15 sub price they're asking for(mine was $15 + $4,75 lmfao no ty), and you wont see that total cost until check outoutside of that the EU server is going to have a lot less players so you wont have to stand in line for singular spawns in noob areathe US ones are going to be absolute fucking hell with thousands of players competing for the 3 dozen or so spawns that exist on launch
>>2992530Looks like it might have a comfy population. I'm considering playing there instead of US West Coast
>>2992436Play on NA east 1, I'll mainly be playing during euro prime time hours
Fem deep elf ranger
>>2993251sovl
>>2991787>I'm going Deep Gnome WizardThis was very high up on my list until I found out that you're looking at a 7 minute /sit to recover your mana at high levels. On top of that the class isn't even good since it burns out the mana pool in seconds. Nope. I'll consider again if they rework it but since it already got a deep dive I doubt it's gonna see any changes in a while.
>>2991801>I dunno how tanks get geared up to bare minimum ass standards in the beginningI don't know how much they have changed blacksmithing but that's probably what you wanna aim for from the start. Having the trait was a huge head start in it but that might have changed. If blacksmiths can still fix up the poor quality monster drop weapons then that should be your first goal. Having one of those will be a nice boost in damage.
>>2993589you have to buy all the recipes now which makes crafting unaffordable for fresh toons.Best way to gear up a new tank is to just buy armor from vendors.
>>2993568It has a specific playstyle. You downrank your spells to save mana and sit everytime you're not casting, so you hit every mob once or twice and can keep doing that forever.
>>2993568>at high levelsI would hope by then classes will feel better to play, either from group support or gear shoring up the 'weaknesses'. I doubt we'll get something as broken as KEI but expecting wizards to med at the level for even longer times than they did back at level 1 is kinda bad design.
>>2993727higher ranks are always more mana efficient in this game
>>2993742>expecting wizards to med at the level for even longer times than they did back at level 1 is kinda bad design.I have bad news sis...
>>2993568>>2993727This. I know what I'm in for and I'm actually playing the extreme long game while mostly utilizing ports to build account funds in the meantime. On p99 it took a while, and wizards are mostly terrible from 1-60, but they become absolutely essential for endgame raiding due to ports and dragon/giantbane spells. Obviously there's no reason to assume it'll be the case in MnM, but conceptually speaking I'm willing to bank on that idea. That and the fact this game is in active development so SURELY they'll balance wizards eventually, right?
>>2993845problem here is assuming you actually get to raid, there's only so many servers and sweaties have already decided which servers to monopolize
>>2993845I don't think you get access to ports for fucking ages, like months of real time. It's not a bad idea, but be mindful of how incredibly long it takes to get to those milestones you're talking about.
>>2993742>I would hope by then classes will feel better to playWell that's for sure not the case with the wiz. You spend more and more time sitting and less time playing. Worst part is that the damage output doesn't even make up for the downtime. It is fucking insane to me that they would design a class that has more downtime than uptime. I don't know how bad it is for the other mana users but wizard is truly miserable.>>2993864>problem here is assuming you actually get to raid, there's only so many servers and sweaties have already decided which servers to monopolizeI would be worried even getting to level as wizard already got a stigma of being the shit class and there's a high chance people won't wanna bring one for parties.
>>2993961first group portals are at lvl 24 which is like the first 5% of the leveling
>>2993979wizard even post revamp really suffers from because EQ did it syndrome worst than any other classeven snorefest EQ classes like warrior, rogue and cleric are lot more fun here but wizard is still practically identical
>>2993568oh man that's perfect, i just need to sucker some group into thinking I'm useful
>>2994946my experience from beta is like this: first 20 levels nobody cares and people just pick who ever wants to join. Then 20-30 xp is still fast but you clearly start to see that the more physical dps your group has the more stuff dies. At 30-40 the game really starts to slow down especially 34 and 39 are notorious buckbreaker hell levels and people start to notice they'll get lot more xp in comptent duo or trio than in unoptimized 6 man.I didn't level much past 40 but those guildies who got to 60 all said 50-60 (which is literally half the game btw) it's meta group or fuck off because xp is so painfully slow you want to be hyper optimized all the time to not kill yourself.
>>2995050Even though the max level is in, surely all the game content hasn't been added yet? Zones and gear. I suppose we won't see much in the way of really broken gear but there might be enough stuff to help make things like wizards less of a burden.
>>2995050by melee you mean beastmasters, rogues, and stuff not rangers and archers?I want to play a BM, the problem is my pet eats all my money and I'm poor and my pet is a fat lazy sack of shit
>>2995321>Pet: GROOOWL(feed me)
>>2995321archer is fine, they just do damage and have practically zero utility so it's pretty one notewho knows what ranger will become
>>2995380is archer damage good to 60? I mean what do i need but a good bow and fletched arrows?
>>2995404obviously you'll need to fletch arrows by the tens of thousands, doesn't make feeding the pet sound so bad after all?
Yikes, Adrullan is doing a community test on launch day.
>>2995420incorrect.
>>2978970Can I ask, not being cheeky or facetious, why i should play this over EQP99 or even Quarm?
>>2995595no, because you need to use your own brain.
>>29955952 year p99 endgame vet here. Also played Quarm for a while.>P99It's just unironically over. Green and Blue are stale, stagnant servers that are a shadow of what they were when the majority of the playerbase was leveling up. The magic just isn't really there anymore. That being said, if you've never played it before, you should. Just don't expect constant groups in every zone (you will be relegated to the sanctioned leveling zones). MnM is a new experience in active development. P99 will never change, unless they drop a new server, but this probably won't happen.>QuarmTranny run, tranny-coded (literally and figuratively, tranny-designed. Quarm is closer to the retail experience than it is to p99 and at the end of the day is just a gay gimmick. It's also end of life as well, so you can't even get on board with new expansion drops.
>>2995560you're right my bad. Sorry, it's been a long day at work, it's november 1
>>2995624>>2995639so no actual reason to play a game that is attempting to capture the nostalgia of a 27 year old game without being the game it's attempting to be.
>>2995703>"without being cheeky or facetious">is immediately bothWhew lads, the quarmqueens are seething
>>2995710well yeah their server died off, went from over 1k to 150 overnight
>>2995714I never understood Quarm whatsoever. The entire project just struck me as incredibly salty troons buttmad they were booted out of fungi farms or whatever. Why would I want a dumbed down and casualized EQ? That's literally what WoW is, and WoW is way, way better at it. P99 is literally the only available competition for MnM and without a new server, it's going to remain a 600 pop museum. If it actually got a new server, we'd have much more of a choice to make.
>>2995732On top of this the coding of the game itself was shit. P99 just werked, but Quarm played and looked like ass from day one.
>>2995732also don't forget secrets lied and advertised it as a classic style launch that would progress to planes of power and he originally used the P99 forums to advertise which drew in a lot of people from P99 because they were foaming at the mouth for green 2, he even went out of his way to mention if you miss guise you can roll for it in the casino later on in planes, giving incentive for players to play early and earn those rewards.Tons of people rolled quarm and enjoyed lvling up to get rubicite, guises, and manastones once enough time passed for most people to get it all secrets randomly revealed none of it will ever expire and a large crowd who wanted an authentic experience fucked off forever after thatsecrets is a disgusting lying failed male
>>2995732it was just another server like p99 except progressive. People who played there were EQ oldfags who didn't like Daybreak's official progression servers where by day 2 you can get mana orbs and fungi tunics for 10 krono each from some RMT who lives in a trailer in the sdesert and tweaks out on meth funding his addiction by selling $12 krono
>>2995777DAybreak offered him a job and told him he could keep his server but only if he removed all the custom shit
>>2995778Oh I know what it is, I played on it. I'm just saying the concept itself was retarded from the get-go.
>>2995781I knew Daybreak were fucking morons but holy shit that's grim. All they need to do is make a literal clone of p99 with no cash shop and they'd make money hand over fist, but instead they hire the doubly mentally ill
>>2995802Daybreak makes all of its money on Krono. Every time a new server boots up for progression 1000 people play there, and not only do they sell subscriptions but thousands and thousands of krono. Daybreak figures they'd have to deal with RMT directly otherwise.
So what character is everyone going to play first?>Halfling Beastmaster
>>2996184DG shamalamadingdong
>>2996184wood elf dudu unless they really make rangers sound good
>>2996658>duduI wish i could punch people through internet,
Things Germans invented that are worse than the holocaust:#1 Dudu
>>2996184Either troll warrior or troll shaman aka I'm not paying these retards shit until they get trolls and the troll starting city in the game AND the trolls have to not look and animate like retards but there's a 90% chance they will.
>>2996781i want the pre-luclin trolls copied pixel for pixel
>>2996804Same, I would have liked vanilla EQ ogres as well but yeah they look like absolute trash.Every current playable character model looks like pure garbage in this game.
>>2996733suffah bisht. dudu gang
>>2996810luvs me trollsluvs me swampsimple as
>>2996184Wood Elf Beastmaster. Gonna be a duo with a Goblin Shaman.
>>2996865Everquest Troll starting area is one of the more comfy starting areas in that game. Would have been nice to have a version of that.
>>2996865>>2996904ikrmost people dislike the entire ro desert -> innothule swamp -> Guk -> feerot jungle areas but once you learn the layout it's by far one of the most kino next to qeynos -> hills -> BB -> karana
>>2995818Companies running MMORPGs need to grow a spine and have some fucking morals. It is absolutely disgusting how most of these games are ran in terms of monetization and business decisions. MnM is above most simply because it is coming as a subscription based game with no extra monetization.
Why did they draw the fem halfling in a foot fetish pose on the race page
>>2996965they're just copying classic WoW style monetization with sub only
>>2996965yeah they saw world of warcraft selling tokens, getting in on the whole RMT business.
>>2996184I wanted to go deep gnome wizard but we went through that earlier.Now torn between Archer, BM and Inquisitor. Shame the ranger deep dive didn't happen yet.
>>2996976You might not know this as a zoomie but MMORPGs used to be sub only. MMORPGs before WoW used subs. I know it's hard to grasp for someone who wasn't there.
>>2996184deep elf enchanter
>>2996992swg was box + sub
why are we using diablo babyspeak for druid anyway
>>2997118it makes some people seethe uncontrolably for no reason
>>2996977Krono predates the token.
>>2996992wow classic since 2019 has always been sub only, use your brain crusty grandpa boomer.
>>2997125SoE was a scummy publisher long before Daybreak. Remember EQ live and they nickel and dimed you for every class and race? Then they released preferred(new progressive) servers and they were subscription only. I remember them trying to monetize EQ next and during the beta they sold you little resource packs in their cash shop so you could build whatever you wanted. They never refunded anything and they charged for them during the beta.
>>2997001No shit.>>2997128And you think that's the reason MnM is sub only?
>>2997153I'm perfectly happy with sub only, in fact I insist on it. If MnM opens up a cash shop or starts selling tokens I'm out.
>>2996184Ogre Fighter or Delf Inquisitor.
>>2997189Deep elf inquisitor reminds me of swtor sith pure blood
Mommies & Mammaries
>>2997225I want a high elf mommy with huge mammaries...
>>2997232this but a troll with big warty oobas
Is it true they split NH into two zones? During the test on Saturday I ran from north gate to the bathhouse with no load screen.
two more sleeps
>>2997161MMORPGs should be sub only. I can barely tolerate a f2p with cosmetic cash shop but sub only is much better. Sub + extra monetization? If so they can fuck right off.
>>2997239Patch notes said so. Pretty bold move to pull right before launch with little testing. I wonder where exactly the zone line would be. That ramp area makes sense but which side does the necropolis area belong to.It's a shame they couldn't pull off proper open world. If WoW was able to do it in 2004 you'd think they could do it now. They even had huge amounts of WoW private server developments to refer to on how to do it. Of course they wouldn't have been able to have mobs train to zone line which might be one of the reasons they have zone lines with how EQ obsessed the devs are.
>>2997327But how else will we generate the maximum in shareholder value for EG7 or some random Saudi oil prince?
>>2997344It's just right down the middle, there's an east and west. Hopefully they put up some signage.
>>2997344The average city in m&m is probably the size of every city in wow put together.
>>2997351Game companies should not be public.
>>2997239Yes it is true
>>2997353Maybe it would be easier to see from a top down view where it should be. >>2997380That could be but both Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor are still way bigger than Night Harbor. If it's a technical limitation then it's literally a skill issue on the devs' part.
>>2997380Most of that is empty space for their shitty player housing though
>>2996755the holocaust is fake. you're just inbred and jealous of white people whom you need to leech to survive.
they said they wanted the game to be able to run on a potato,but the engine they chose is resource heavy and now they can't even get it to run without splitting NH in half.
>>2997520So it's like BDO? I'm wondering if you can have ateliers and vendors and shingles outside. Like posted up in a prime area in AV you have a NPC vendor(slave) who just sells boots.
>>2997546It does run on a potato. I'm running it on a surplus office PC with a 3400GE and Vega 11 using 16gb of DDR4 and a SSD and it runs like shit but it runs. I also have a 9600k 1070 build from idk 10 years ago and it's night and day.
>>2997543Dudu is an abomination and I can't believe you are defending it. For actual shame Adolf.
>>2997546Engine isn't the issue. Also WoW runs on a potato by modern standards. Entirely dev skill issue.
>>2997733EA hasn't even started, they'll fix all that stuff by release. I'm sure WoW was just as unoptimized at the same stage, we just never got to see it.
>>2997751I hope you're right. Them having to split NH isn't exactly confidence inspiring.
>>2997751>they'll fix all that stuff by releaseare you 12?
>>2997834The transition is pretty seamless but I don't think it's permanent. They just seem to be overly worried about technical difficulties during launch. Them doing it at 2am est on a Thursday is a bit overkill
I guess I'm lucky that it will be 8 in the morning on launch day for me and NOT the middle of the night but I planned to go into town and get some shit doneUnless I'll just log in for like a hour in the morning to check it out a bit then play later that day once I'm free
>>2997870>Them doing it at 2am est on a Thursday is a bit overkillit's because their server guy is a sandnigga
>>2998148pretty sure everything is gonna be camped to hell if you're not in the minute the server launches and ahead of the pack in like the first 20 minutes not gonna matter much if you log in 2 hours late or 8 hours late since there's gonna be more an more people logging in all day pretty much
I'm going to log in minute 0 and I'm going to play and I'm going to have fun and literally none of you fags can stop me
>>2998695*server crashes*
Guys I'm a rabid tranny IRL what is the best class race combo for someone like me
>>2998964Goblin
500 years ago a dragon falls out of the sky. He lands in a swampy forest and dies there. The inhabitants of the deepest part of the forest use his materials and meat to make weapons and armor for themselves. His blood seeps into the ground forever corrupting and changing the landscape. The survivors, a group of hardy trolls make their home in a nearby cave system. To them, the dragon was a blessing from de skies. The entrance of their caves was expanded and the area now overflows with the corrupted forest trolls. These guys don't even know they're corrupted because the corruption doesn't even affect them. They're trolls. So they live in their comfy ass swamp and kill the nearby ferglerks and every single night it's frog legs for dinner. Fucking love ferg lergs. Fergs get uppity on their lily pads, it's time fer a bashing. Raids into nearby human settlements wiped everyone else out. Just how we likes it.
>>2998964play quarm instead
>>2999041Every 5-12 years the trolls get together and elect a new leader. He's elected by strength not cunning or intellect. The whole bloody affair takes between 3 and 6 days with the loser having to do all the winner's paperwork. Naturally trolls are just off having swampy nasty ass big sex so the number of trolls which can live to be 600-700 years old just keeps increasing. Rarely is one ever killed outright and when he is it's normally the fire that does it. Fire or acid. The trolls face a crisis. The ferglerks are a finite resource and we loves our ferg lergs. We started supplementing ferg lergs with entrails sausage but it's just not the same. The cave system now has docks and houses built on sturdy piles upon the bayou. Lots of trolls. Sometimes the humans decide enough is enough and try to subjugate the trolls to think or reduce their numbers. This is how we got human entrails sausage. It's not the same.
After much delegation the trolls decide to just let the young ambitious trolls leave the safety of the swamp because there are just too many of them. More ferg lergs for me. Da dumb ones run off and become adventurers. Me wonder why not eat party members? Surely the 'alfling will make a suitable snack?Trolls return with tales of ogres even thicker in the skull than trolls is. Dey don't regrow limbs like trolls. Da lesser races teach us the ways like how to do bashin. Dey teach us the necromancy and the shaman voodoo. Don't dey know we already know these things? Most importantly bring different foods like gryffon and giant. Eventually we get together and give da settlement a name because camp fuckstain offends the little gnomes.
>9000 active subs
>>2999141This vaporware game will never succeed!!!!!!!
>>2998964play troon forever instead
>>2999215lel.
So apparently Rogean is busy playing EQL and says a new server is up to nilbog. It's completely over, p99bros
>>2979565its extra funny because hell levels were a BUG(like many other exp bugs in that old pos game) and got taken out as soon as they could figure out how to alter the exp tables(lmao) without moving players xp bar or granting/removing levels arbitrarily
>>2998964any race in M&M
>>2999342I saw that forum post toohonestly would love a green 2 but right now ain't the time with so many games coming out, let forever, aion 2, and GTA VI pass first.
I was really hyped to play this game for years and years, playing the beta as well, but now that wow forever is around the corner I dunno anymore.
>>2999342what would a new server bring? surely the same old fuckery and favoritism behind the scenes will creep in there too
>>2999352My favorite EQ bug is Humans were supposed to get the 5% XP bonus, but someone gave it to Halflings by mistake and they just said fuck it and left it like that.
Ok me boys. I need a class that's easy to gear. I'm gonna roll with some dogs on starting day and while I'd love to play a tank I just have no fucking idea how to gear it. My tank is going to be squishy as fuck. I have no idea where I'm going. I only got to level 10. So I'm thinking maybe a rogue because if it's anything like wow classic I can figure it out. Rogues get a backstab from level 1, gonna get some patchwork leather shit asap, maybe some kind of weapon.
>>2999469Just use the one God gave you
>>2999461Blackburrow and Crushbone leveling. Home.
>aion 2>GTA VIthis guy is still here lmao
>>2999342im just sayineq launched in... 1999p99 launched in... 2009green launched in... 2019
>>2999469>gonna get some patchwork leather shit asap, maybe some kind of weapon.that's what the tanks are doing as wellthere was that scarab armor quest but I don't know how they compare to leather and copper armor is gonna be what tanks will be working towards but I'm not sure how hard it is to get to that point in the current version
>>2999526so green 2 will launch 2029....lads...only 4 more years to go for pure kino......
>>2999530hard as balls, better to just wait for people to sell bronze plate drops from mobs and then tarnish it
>>2999570until then i hope groups are ok with me freeballin it. i wonder if we can lock down wyrmsbane camps for plate/chain bosses buck ass naked
>>2999695it's not worth camping that garbage gear btwt. camped a few pieces in betaspent like 2 days getting a few pieces then went back to lvling and immediately replaced all of it within the next day after gaining 15 levels and getting into multiple rare camps as a tank.
>>2999843is it worth doing it for any classes?
>>2999843fuck i need to roll with someone who knows what to camp, and we can get gear along the way.
>>2999843>our game is about journey>gear stats are level capped>low levels fly by incredibly fast>biggest hurdle is arbitrary xp spikes because eq had them>some 30-40+ dungeon has better gear than raidsNice game Shawn.
>>2978970Are there any professions in the game? Crafting, fishing, mining? etc. Also is rogue any good? I usually play rogue in mmo's so that would be my first pick.
>>3000350>professionsYes.>RogueRogues are great, but in this game they are almost even more required to have a group than other classes due to just how squishy they are and how their abilities function. Imagine WoW with no stuns and 5x mob health and you'll kind of get the idea. Like I said though, they are S tier in groups, and your corpse running utility is universally loved.
>>3000357Cool I'll check this game out then.
>>3000357imagine wow but some of the caster mobs can cast gate, but oh no they aren't going home they're going to a more populated part of the map and coming back with a big group of mobs.
>>3000388Yeah so you should probably not let them do that, woah
>>3000350The main problem with rogue is their complete and utter lack of soloability past lvl 20, they generally can't even kill a green cons. Infact out of all the 18 classes rogue is THE worst soloer so you absolutely need group to do anything so if you can't find groups you are shit out of luck.They arenn't even that good of a duo option like other hysical classes can be because they need backstabs.Rogue is solid B+ or A- in groups, don't listen to that p99 reject they are not S tier and never were in this game as corpse recovery can be done outside of group like cleric resses. Their primary role is dps and they are mogged in it by both BM and Spellblade or even monk.
Remaining deep dives tomorrow, allegedly.Ranger chads ready.
>>3000429Yeah, you better figure out how to interrupt that or you're going to be needing the services of drag queen the corpse dragger
>>3000556interested in necro, fingers crossed. May be doing some main changing either way. I want a ranger like EQ, where you can get some rare ranger only loot and compete with other dps classes in the endgame meta.or some indiana jones ranger torches, my body is ready.
>10k subs by launchLET'S FUCKING GOOOOO
How long does it take to run a dungeon in this?
>>3000780>9310Fuck! Nice
>>3000789its not like wow where you run a dungeon, you can leave whenever you want. There are no objectives, just random spawns and named mobs.
>>3000804Is it tho?
>>3000789A dungeon is just a dangerous part of the map. The closest comparison is getting into an exp group for a levelling session. Typically the least amount of time you can spend without being annoying to the leader is 30m, because he might have to find a replacement when you leave.
i find myself wondering if the devs just made a wowbaby version of the server with instanced dungeons and lfg queues if they couldnt just sell out for that sweet sweet zoomie zoom zoom money
>>3000827I wish them success
>>3000834Zoomers barely even play WoW, let alone pay a sub fee for anything. They're targeting the right group if they want to make any sort of profit.
hey guys I'm interested in trying this game out on the first, give me an analogue to FFXI, I've been playing retail FFXI since 2003 and before that I played a little Everquest. What am I in for?
>>3000834I think there's a huge hole in the market for a selfhosted mmolike game that's wow classic style of complexity and jank but aimed at the kind of 4 to 10 person friend group that would put up a minecraft or conan exiles server or whatever. Just fully embrace the private server.
>>3000874This kind of feels like a private server and I've been playing nothing but for a few years. I'm happy to have something like this, a complete breath of fresh air. WoW lost me with their Allowing RMT, GDKP raids and not banning boosters and boost partiesWoW tokensRaid logs, world buff stacking, META builds only, and tryhards who poopsock the game for 20 days straight getting 4 hours of sleep a day. And streamers. This kind of behavior and these kids of people completely ruin it for me. I like this. It's new, everyone doesn't know everything.
>>3000842It has the same core loop of fighting your way to a camp and then bunkering down there to gain exp. It's more suited to 3 or 4 man groups. Gear is like EQ, mostly boring and vertical. There's a lot more hidden stuff in the world but not much reward for finding it yet. The death penalty is harsher than both games. There's no map in-game at all. There's no content outside of gaining exp at the moment, besides raids and maybe crafting I don't think they have plans to add anything. Like EQ there's 0 overt storyline.
>>3000298This is honestly an issue with an extended beta. All the discovery is gone. A new game release is supposed to be new..
>>3000892Nice! That sounds just masochistic. How do you get gear? Just divvy up whatever drops?
>>3000919This is why you should roll a deep race, it's mostly unexplored and every patch has a content update for it
>>3000874>I think there's a huge hole in the market for a selfhosted mmolike gameAbsolutely. I remember coming across one recently that pretty much had that gimmick going for it. "An MMO for your friend group" but it looked fucking hideous, not Erenshor-hideous but like an art style that turns away people and doesn't appeal to the audience at all, and had some top-down perspective so it missed the point that way.MMO-like games are a growing niche. A lot of the old audience doesn't have the time to play a proper one and/or they don't want to deal with the people who play. Survival crafting open world sandboxes have hit into that gap pretty well but there's a lack of proper MMO-like games. Erenshor and a few others do it for single player but there's not much for co-op. Whoever comes out with a decent one is gonna make bank.
>>3000197nonot even the haste cloak is not worth grinding because you can get a far better haste item from the goblin general when you grind his camp later on for exp + loot and he has a insane loot tableJust laugh at any retarded boomer who sits and camps that garbage, there were people who camped wyrmsbane for weeks on end during the closed beta, literal retarded boomers.It's not bad to camp them if you can grab a location with a group exp though 100% do that but once you outlevel it just fuck off and move on, you can easily sit there for 4 days straight and see maybe 3 rare drops and god forbid if they're dupes (which they will be).
>>3001016EQL is pretty much mmo lite but it's already in steep decline and it's only been out for few months
>>3000348yeah the game flow feels awful they really needed to run the beta test for like another year.>horrible itemization>boring af quests outside of maybe like 2, the rest are trash>boring af zones>boring af faction systems>ugly af graphics>boring af dungeons with way too many being undead focused back to back>boring af music and sound effects
>>3001204trvke
>>3001196yeah but top tier camps are going to be jam packed with a wait list 1000 people deep plus people constantly in ur camp, stealing your d00ds. some people are going to have to settle for second best.
>>3001200EQL is based on a solved game and one that the audience has played for thousands of hours. I don't think it was ever gonna be popular for long.
>>3001300Every game is solved these days. See>>3001196
>>3001304I think part of the appeal of the MMO-like is how you can avoid that sort of spoiling if you choose to. If it's single player you can play without a wiki. If it's co-op you only have to convince your friends not to do it. Actual MMOs you can't avoid it because even if you personally don't spoil it for yourself other people will or they will have played the beta for hundreds of hours and know everything that there is to know. Gone are the days of fresh releases where 99% knew fucking nothing and access to information was very limited and often plain wrong.
>>3001324The equivalent to fucking nothing here is the Deeps.>>3001204Morning cynical tranny, how are you today?
>>3001338oh look the self projecting boomer tranny LMAOtrannies love shit tier graphics like this so it's right up your alley
>>3001304The only thing you would discover going into wyrmsbane blind is trains and wasted time.
>>3001295they really need to make boss camps unsoloable for higher level shit or you end up like beta again where 1 enchanter boomer perma camps the single most valuable mob while multiple full exp groups have to let him like little cucks
https://monstersandmemories.com/updates/necromancer-ranger-and-shadow-knight-deep-dives-and-traits-preview
>>3001475necro gets a coldlight pet aura, that's pretty nifty
>>3001475>eat a mushroom>glowThat's sick, although I'm wondering which trait will be better for a Wizard. Probably the dreamlike state for mana regen? The extra in is seems redundant.
>>3001534*invis
>>3001534I'm happy with all this extra light. Maybe they should make racials though. Give humans better torches and deep races glowing mushrooms. I love racial abilities and I hope we get a good many of them to differentiate class/alignment like some paladin alignment gear or some necro alignment gear. Otherwise why not just go agnostic and save yourself literally all the trouble?
>>3001475Ranger jumped to the top of my list with this. The options in playstyle and all the utility the class has appeals to me. >>3001534Dream for a wizard sounds good though 12 seconds of +30% meditation could mean fuckall in actual bonus mana recovered. With how slow you regen in this game it might be practically nothing. Needs testing.>>3001569These are the racials. Each race has some innates and then gets to pick one of three that are race specific.It would be extra cool if religion changed how classes played, at least for the religious classes like clerics and paladins. Even if it is a difference of a couple abilities I would like to see it.
>>3001304What if the dev team planned alternate spawns for everything just to fuck with people
>>3001631Would be cool but it is unlikely.
>>3001627Racials would be really cool in some situations. Like human rangers should have Indiana jones torches. Toss one in the corner and the whole room lights up. Make them also last 100% longer because humans are awesome and there's otherwise zero reason to play one.
>>3001475archer bros... they're genociding us...
Holy shit, they killed their game days before launch. I've never seen this level of corporate suicide before. Infravision, the thing that anyone who's played the game has said is 100% essential to gameplay, is now barely available, and temporary.
>>3001475DAMN ranger sounds absolutely amazing they not only get to fucking keep damage shield and regen but they get the same max ranks as druid which they previously didn't. BM lost all shaman spells but ranger casually keeps the best two druid spells while potentially mogging both rogue and archer.Deep going to absolutely crawling with rangers.
>>3001475Dang they just gave ranger a rotation. I'm intrigued.
>>3001675and they keep sow lmaoranger BVLLS
>>3001644They decided to give the improvised light to gnomes.Human racials are quite good from what I can tell.>>3001663Do you choose>archerwho is forced to range all his life.Or>rangerwho can melee, range and offtank depending on what he feels like or what the party composition requires.It's a bit of a shame ranger lost the imbues as I liked that sort of magical bit to archery but I guess the new one fits the class fantasy better.Archer is still interesting to me but feels like the earlier deep dives lack some of the depth and complexity of the later ones. Wouldn't surprise me if the team got better and more tuned in as they went through the class reworks and with that we will likely see further changes to many classes in the coming months. >>3001680I think having that little bit more complexity for combat lifts it up amongst the classes for a lot of people.
>>3001713Fuck, I wanted to main a ranger before, now I really want to main a ranger.
AV is going to be littered with drizztfags now
>>3001673It's not temporary, it's gaining a predator-heat-vision mode that is temporary. Read the fucking article next time.
>>3001724Remember when it was 50 shades of legolas? How the turntables.
>>3001713it can't be overstated how big it is that ranger gets to keep ALL it's former druid utility with new ranksthis means as long as ranger is half decent dps they will be one of the most wanted group classes because they bring a complete utility set from a healer while being able to bring another better healer (shaman) in druid's steaddruid is completely on the suicide watch now>dots nerfed>healing nerfed>charm nerfed>ranger now has equal or better utilityI have a feeling druid won't be the top played class anymore just port bots.
>>3001728It literally says>Infravision will change to an activatable abilityand then if you look at say wood elf, under innate:>Infravision (Activatable)They will literally never recover from this mistake.
>>2996184bard, it's the one class I really wanted to play that I never got around to in any beta, and one of my fav classes in EQ and FFXIno clue what race though, leaning toward dwarf because that's just a weird combo you don't often see
>>3001771I'm not sure this is the way it will work but the way I read this is that infravision will be toggleable and be not just better dark vision but also have additional stuff like highlighting warm-blooded things. Could use some clarification.
>>3001673>>3001771>>3001788Ultravision GODS keep winning
Erenshor is getting a Bard-like class, not my thing though but I get the appeal of pulling every mob in the zone and running around at ultra speed strumming notes like a meth tweaker.
>>2996184female deep elf ranger
dudu sisters...
>>3001882we keep catching strays...
>>3001475>necro practically the same with very minor tweaks>sk got mostly just spells renamed>ranger massively buffedranger chuds won
oh geez I SURE WONDER WHY DUDU GOT NERFED TO THE GROUND?
>>3001958level 8 sow bots really tanked the class, huh?
reading this new traits looks like you can royally fuck up your toon if you don't pick the correct choises.Imagine potentially missing 15 weapon skills and then being utterly gimped at max
>>3002053Trent just confirmed these numbers go over cap, so I guess if you aren't playing halfling you're just fucked lol
>>3002080holy fucking shithow can thei say bullshit like >Prevent you feeling “stuck” in your choices, which you may have made before knowing/understanding your classwith a straight face when these new racials are thousand times more impactful than the old ones
>>3002080isn't that guy wrong more than half the time? He's just a moderator
>>3002089it was also confirmed by Ali
Will I even use any Piercing weapons as a halfling beastmaster?
>>30021132h spears
>>3002106bruh the predictive text lmao
>>3002086Think about the Deep Gnome one too, if dreaming allows for significant mana regen, it makes DG the best race for Wizard and it isn't even close
>>3002106>and nigger nbased BASED BVSVD!
>>3002126it only lasts 12 seconds with 10 min cd meaning you only get 2 more improved med ticks which makes it total dogshit and a waste of a trait slot, though all deep gnome racials look like overly gimmicked trash
>>3002080deeper peoblem here is that melee can massively boost themselves with weapon skills going over cap but I don't see any caster skill traitsthis will only make the already huge gap between physicals and casters even more wide
>>3001930they ran out of time with necro and sk and rushed them before ea launch didn't they
So is Mischief Halfling just the absolute best rogue race now?
>>3002159and every other physical class halfling can beif you don't pick it it's like going undead or night elf warrior over orc or human in wow kek
>halfling GODS mogging lesser races with their 15 dick piercemanlets will inherit the earth
>>3002189
>>3002053>>3002151I got the feeling that's gonna get nerfed to the ground MAYBE we will see some choices keep +5 to a weapon skill which is still strong
>>3002159Literally any melee class that can be a halfling and can use Piercing to DPS is now objectively required to be a halfling or do less damage kekarooski
Like the only way this doesn't become gimped is if we're vastly overestimating weapons kill/combat dynamics or they will make trivial ways to increase weapons kill and give it a new cap.
>>3002224unless they totally overhaul combat (they won't) weapon skill is the single most powerful thing in this game when the combat revolves completely around auto attackshafling is essentially lvl 63 now which makes them even con to raid bosses increasing their dps by fuckhuge amount, we are not speaking single digit percentages here
Human now also just seems like the BIS tank
>>3002241Human is always bis
>>3002080Eh, I could see some benefits if the differences at endgame are small (~5% all things being equal) and/or there being ways through content to make up that difference that don't stack with racial benefits. Special training through an end game quest perhaps? So racial benefits are still strong because leveling is such a big part of gameplay but there is more equalization when microdifferences matter in the meta.Or who cares I guess, just do whatever and let there be meme combos with dumpster performance.
All you fags are sleeping on innate Ogre canni. Holy shit.
>>3001475It's painfully obvious these were written by AI lol
>>3002174I was thinking exactly this it's vanilla wow all over again with the weapon skills
Apparently the Deep Gnome invis is both an aggro drop, and invis vs living and dead. If true, that's actually pretty huge, even for a wizard.
>>3002932if it gets you out of combat it's the best caster/healer racial for sure since everything else is TOTAL FUCKING DOGSHIT
deep or wood elf ranger?
>>3003036Unless you really want to explore the depths I think wood elf would be the more practical choice
>>3003036This game is so ugly it's honestly impressive
>>3003277looks WAY better than Pantheon
>>3003328the cope itt is off the charts
>>3003335That's it isn't it? This entire time you were just a butthurt little Pantheon fag, sad his game was an obvious grift. Ahahaha you silly nigger
Lol. Lmao.
100 more subs bros
>>3003384I can't till I start my job in November, feels really bad man
>>3003381going to bully all the blueberry manlets
>>3003381looks like they deleted it kek
>>3003381Fantasy slurs always just felt toothless.Think about the slurs that exist in modern language. Nearly all of them are decades-long mutated derivations of something else, only a bare few that have been recently invented, like 'clanker' remotely approximate existing words.But meanwhile, in a fantasy realm with a 10,000 year history, the best they've got is "knife ear" and "blueberry".
>>3003430elder scrolls slurs can be pretty goodhttps://youtu.be/j8N0ariFfrk?is=3vlPCToMBgo9scSA
>>3003277>This game is so pretty it's honestly impressive
SK's planned monster hunting thing sounds interesting but not in the game yet so feels a bit early to be making one for that reason
>>3003345Swing and a miss. Pantheon is dogshit, but even the gay cartoonish overhaul they did is far more pleasing to look at than MnM.
>>3003036no sovl>>3003449sovl
>>3003381I saw this when it was live. Trent locked it after saying they completely sign off on fantasy slurs, but that it can't be based off a real one. I.e., calling a dark elf "Darkie"Is our game based????
>>3003597how about deepie for all denizens of the deep
>>3003597>Is our game based????No.
>>3003621discord is always gay. the trannies that post there can't afford to play the game anyway
>>3003641He's talking about game accounts. Better not say anything even remotely racist/homo/transphobic or say goodbye to your thousands of hours of grinding
>>3003647>Better not say anything even remotely racist/homo/transphobicthis is just modern internet when you are using an account of some sort
>>3003647>Better not say anything even remotely racist/homo/transphobicI won't, because I know how to be a functioning member of society that doesn't say stupid shit that might get me in trouble.
>10k subswe did it, sisters... we freaking did it
>>3003738Is there a live counter somewhere?
>>3003739https://account.monstersandmemories.com/metrics
>>3003725We all know how to do that, but it's gay and annoying and you never know when something any reasonable person would consider benign comes across the desk of a tranny janny and buh bye.
>>3003725>I won't, because I know how to be a functioning member of society that doesn't say stupid shit that might get me in trouble.good goy
How long will we be have to wait for the Wiz damage pass after EA starts do you reckon? Fist month maybe? I suspect they might have surprise major class changes in store for EA.
>>3003796at least until p99 bluewhitepink launches
>>3003796Not too long I'm sure. Hopefully wizards get some kind of sustain and don't end up like a staff monk with spells
>>3002080Goblin rogues just btfo at this point
>>3001778I play a bard on FFXI both live and I did for a long time on Wings then Catseye when my character moved there. I really like the whole pulling buffing mezzing aspect of it and if bards don't get an AoE mezz I'll just not play one.
I wish the dev who made Legends of Old didn't fuck it up and then change a would-be MMO into a dungeon spammer.
24 hours and 8 minutes to launch.
less than 24 hours and I still can't decide my class>dudu got nerfed>ranger seems op but you will gimp yourself by not going halfling>necro for tried and true soloing?
>>3004888necro for glowing pet
>>3004888its going to be a long ride filled with alts you no longer play if you are going to willingly enslave yourself to the unstable nature of mmo balancing. unless you enjoy meta chasing of course.
I'm going to play a bard. >oh but they sucki don't really care. I like pulling, i like mezzing. i like going afk with me melody onRest up fuckers its money time.
>>3004911this team is notoriously slow when it comes to balancing thoughit took them 5 months to nerf charm after admitting it was too strong
>>3004916bard doesn't suck after their revamp, it's actually one of the best classes nowwell they do suck at pulling though, no idea why p99 boomers insist on bard pulling here when it's detrimental to the group
>>3004916now here's a guy who knows where his dick is, and where his dick is going.
>>3004918sure if all you care about is min maxing group efficiency. I came from ffxi where bards are like enchanters in that they pull and aoe mezz everything, and keep a roster of exp within reach of the group asleep
Shall be rolling a fighter lads
I sure hope there's not a small population of players who already know the location of the best camps and are planning to monopolize them come launch
>>3004962they should get rid of the camps rule for solo players. absolutely zero reason to let some high level faggot monopolize a camp when a group can move in and exp there
>>3004965A group can safely exp almost anywhere, a solo player may only have a few camps that are safe enough to pull to.Ideally they work together and the solo player feeds on the unwanted adds that would otherwise hassle the party.
>>3005027i mean some level 60 shouldnt just be able to camp a named spawn for days in shifts with his buddy the sweat lord to sell the drops on his alt account he has set up to a second ip address which is also his RMT account
Reading this thread makes me so happy that SoloQuest exists
>>3005066>SQbased but SQ made me realize I kind of suck at everquest, I tried doing a self found warrior and I leveled so slow and kept dying.I'm thinking about making a normal warrior and just twinking with raid gear so it's fun.
>>3005361i think fighter in MnM is considerably more fun than warrior in everquest washoly fucking balls playing a warrior in EQ was like watching paint dry
>>3005066The monkey paw curls as the server admin is a literal Redditfag who bans people if they don't worship Christianity. It will never not make me laugh.
>>3005425I haven't played EQ since the OG days but wasn't that basically every class? I sure remember the hardest part about playing monk was trying not to fall asleep
>>3005506noted hardcore Christian website reddit
someone made it throughfuck I'm already falling behind
>>3005527That's where fedoraposting came from back in 2011, young'un. It wasn't the natives destroying every conversation involving religion if it didn't include blind worship.
>>3005506>>"I will ban you for misgendering a mentally ill freak">pays $15 a month and respects the pronouns>>"I will ban you from my free server that costs me money and time if you openly blaspheme my religion.">seethes Yeah man you're based. Are you Jewish btw?
>>3005544the fuck are you talking about old man?
>>3005547So is it you being a newfag or you being a psychotic religious zealot that causes you to make up fictional scenarios?
>>3005580Oh you're the "everyone who disagrees with me is a newfag" schizo. I concede.
>>3005544fedoraposters were atheists you fucking retard
>>3005603So your psychosis stems from your newfaggotry. I figured as much.>>3005605Lurk moar, newfag revisionist.
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>>3005547"Well excuse you I'm a practicing nihilist and I think that any and all pronouns are retarded and I shant be using them."
>>3004097I hadn't heard of it before I stumbled upon it somewhere and it had already happened. Truly a bizarre choice from the dev. I guess he saw that was going to be a niche that is lacking in games but then it seems like he totally dropped the ball on the delivery and also angered his existing community by doing the switcheroo and delivering a game that wasn't as promised.
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>>3004888don't try to minmax too much things are gonna change so you'll inevitably make suboptimal choices
>>3005525>but wasn't that basically every class?yeah
>>3005644retard/vm/ is so slow you make a new one when we hit page 9 or 10
