Y'know, watching the ashnime for the first time while knowing that he's gonna job at every turn in the rest of his career makes me feel like a parent watching their fuck-up son take up a deadend job lmao, this is gonna be so unintentionally funny with how much low confidence ash has, i feel like my expectations are too low for me to feel mad when he loses, so how long should i watch this shit for? Up to the hoenn league? Maybe sinnoh?
>>59305196Watch until kinnoh
>>59305196Watch until hoenn, the rest is a chore to sit through
>so how long should i watch this shit for? Up to the hoenn league?Not an Ashime expert, but that seem like a reasonable place to cut it off. The RSE adaptation is when the series started to become pure kiddy toy comerical slop. Not to say that the RBY and GSC adaptations aren't basically toy comericals, but they at least fell like the people making them had some level of passion wheras from RSE onward it just kinda feels like they were starting to do it just for the paycheck, if that makes any sense. Either way, I say your best option is to keep going until you start finding the show unfun to watch rather than imposibg a hard and fast "END OF THE LINE: QUIT WATCHING" marker.
>>59305693DP is the best show tho
>>59305196>>59305770Dude , trying to badmouth OS series won't change that Horizon failed and removing Ash didn't solve anything. People can still rewatch episodes from the original series simply because its fun and heartwarming even if they knows how its ends. Rewatching original Naruto is harder because I know how it will end with Naruto never winning against Sasuke and lose the girl to him.
>>59305770>>59305196t. never watched JohtoJohto is the point the series becomes santised. AG actually returned some of the batshit insanity of Kanto and had better writing overall.However, Battle Frontier should be the cut off, You can check out DP if you liked AG, because DP is just AG+
>>59305196I'm still waiting for them to release an anime aimed at a double digit age audience.
>>59305196The only problem is that Johto is kinda like a low-energy version of the original season+orange islands.It HAS plenty of good episodes but it feels like they're coming less consistently compared to before.If you get past that though, there's still plenty to enjoy in Hoenn and Sinnoh, and although the XY anime is a bit overrated, it still is 100% the best animated series with the best battles, it's worth watching even if it's not a spoiler that the ending is a bit lame (yet another loss).>>59305770DP had kino stuff like the rivals and the team of the season getting a more involved recurring plot. DP series is pretty much RS series but better. Indigo League+Orange (yes nostalgia is a strong drug) > Sinnoh > Kalos > Hoenn > Johto > UnovaAlola and onwards has the non-canonical Ash and the whole vibe of the show changes permanently.
>>59305196The show takes a massive nosedive during Johto and never recaptures the magic of Indigo League and Orange Islands. I always stop after Brock rejoins the group because the show becomes just a more formulaic and sanitized version of itself after that point.
>>59305196If you just want the best of the best then start with Indigo, skip to DP, then skip to XY. Plus watch all the Gen 1-4 movies, they're all short and sweet and have great animation.Even those seasons still have filler and some lame episodes, but on average they have more going for them compared to the other ones.
>>59306775Are the movies very good?
Watch up to Primeape/Celadon then drop it
>>59307437Yeah, you can get them here (torrent is big so just click the uncheck everything button, then check the movies you're going to watch):https://nyaa.si/view/2004518https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_movie#Animated_moviesM1 (Mewtwo) = Must watchM2 (Lugia) = AlrightM3 (Entei and Unown) = Must watchM4 (Celebi) = Alright but has some cool Prof Oak loreM5 (Latias/Latios) = Very fun, I recommendM6 (Jirachi) = AlrightM7 (Deoxys/Rayquaza) = Coolest gen3 movie, I recommendM8 (Mew/Lucario) = Must watchM9 (Manaphy) = First truly "meh" movieM10 (Darkrai) = Great oneM11 (Giratina/Shaymin) = Decent, I like the actionM12 (Arceus) = I like the loreM13 (Zoroark/Celebi) = I remember feeling like an extended TV ep, but a good TV epM14 (Victiny/Zekrom) = Alright, has some BW game themes condensed in 80 minutesThen you skip all the meh moviesM20 (Ho-oh) = A sort of "reimagined remake" of the beginning of the TV anime with Ash + original characters, I think it's good but not great.M21 (Zeraora) = Actually one of my favorite Pokemon movies of all time, it's just really fun and well-made, I showed it to friends that hadn't watched Pokemon in a long time and they liked it.M22 (Zarude) = Concludes the reboot trilogy of movies. I would say it's about equal with M20, but not as good as M21.
>>59305196>so how long should i watch this shit for? You shouldn't.If your expectations are so low you do so anyways then there's no point asking, might as well watch all of it.
>>59307478I didn't notice the torrent I posted was dub-only, you can get these for jp audio + subs, if that's your thing.https://nyaa.si/view/1190946https://nyaa.si/view/1191223
After Ash loses the Sinnoh league he and Brock split up when they reach a crossroads between Pallet Town and Pewter City. The animation style changes and there's not any episodes setting up the next series. Just a "Next time..a new adventure"That's a perfectly good stopping point.
>>59307521Yeah, after DP, the anime would experiment in radical ways with each new generation.
No watch until the end of DP
>>59307521If you got to that point you're responsible for what follows.
>>59305196Up to the end of Johto. It concludes the rivalry with Gary and resolves with Ash preparing to go on another adventure.Not too big on, "open-ended" endings, but it is far more satisfying than anything Journeys gave us.
>>59309291I’d agree with this. For all its faults Johto did feel like a conclusion to Ash’s journey and his arc. Hoen is when the series becomes serialized and they try to reset and reboot the same beats but with a new set of paint. Which I guess is just how the games became at that point too. But if you want a story with a clear beginning and end point I think cutting yourself off there is good.
>>59305196Just watch the first season (+ orange islands) and just call it quits afterwards.Even during season 1, the best episodes all happen during the first 40 ones, hell the first 26 to be honest (Sabrina? Butterfree? SS Anne shipwreck? Island of Giant pokémon? The school with Gisele? Viridian forest? The ghost of the cape? The lighthouse? All before episode 26Oh and don't watch it expecting a shônen. It's a comedy first with some bits of action and light emotional drama
>>59307521DP should have ended with Ash winning the league and BW should have had a new protag, maybe Hilda
>>59307641I still don't understand what were they thinking with the SM design.
>>59309328It's true that there's a stretch of really solid episodes around ep10-ep20, but they aren't all the memorable ones, it's simply a really good run of episodes.
>>59309346You have to understand Yokai Watch and the affect it had in Japan and japanese kids.It basically had Pokemania equivalent in the early to late 2010s. It was EVERYWHERE and Pokemon staff probably felt like they had to become more like it to avoid playing second fiddle.
>>59309396They ruined the ashnime while Yokai Watch simply killed itself. Sad
>>59309291This. After that, Ash becomes a different character, he loses all his soul. It turns into complete slop over time.
I miss OG series Ash. He was such a little shithead, but still with some heart. Just a noob trainer with an ego, but him learning and growing out of that was a lot of fun. He felt more like an underdog you wanted to see get stronger. They turned him into such a mary sue it’s tragic.
>>59309665From gen 1 to 4 I would say Ash is quite consistent, he starts as a brat but gets a bit more humble without losing that core spunk.Gen 5 is the one to basically make him a completely newbie which is in tune with the games also being a soft-reboot. Then XY brought back the competence but the that teenager spunk isn't quite there, he feels way more responsible and "stable", in part probably because he doesn't have a female character to have squabbles like Misty, May or Dawn. It would've been a fine conclusion if he won and then retired, I think the view on XY Ash would've been "Well he got his shit together and finally won" but alas, it ending in that note doesn't feel satisfying and Sun/Moon just turns him into a Yokai Watch protagonist.
Interesting that we have so many end point choices here, even if they're mostly pre-BW, since that IS when Ash started getting tweaked to serve the needs of a given show. My opinion matches >>59309328 because I've admittedly just sampled some of the later arcs. I guess if I wanted to watch the show as progressing fighting story I'd just get fed up with all the filler- I recall hearing Johto is filler hell and Sinnoh has a huge gap between Candice and Volkner, I think it was- versus the earlier stuff where the silliness is most of the point. But people can call my shit on that. Rather funny to realize the Kanto series only had one genuine ongoing battle episode the entire run, though. The Orange Islands finale was ridiculous when it was your only reference point. One thing every subsequent show did better on.>>59307437Changing my tune here to say most of them feel undercooked in one way or another, but if you just watch them for what they ARE- an excuse for a pretty 90 minute romp with Ash an company- they're fun. You don't need to watch the corresponding series to watch them either, of course. The drop-off with BW and XY (some would argue DP even) is actually real, I was surprised. It feels like either the scopes of the stories shrink or there are just too many things the writers are asked to include and it hurts the story.>>59309665It is ironic, we gave the kid shit for not being cool, but there's appeal to his childishness, too.
>>59310729(For the record, it was Bellsprout episode, not Surge)
>>59305196I quit at Johto because I basically outgrew the show. I realized that I did when I was only watching to whack my young willy to the new girls that would hang around Ash. At which point, even kid-me knew I was being played. I suspect the realization came at the sharp drop in quality around Sinnoh.
>>59307753how
>>59311154The Pokemon anime wasn't supposed to grow with fans, in Japan shows like Precure or Kamen Rider have a new "generation" every year, with new characters, villains and storylines, it's a well-known fact that kids "graduate" from these shows after like 2-4 years and go watch/read more shounen-like or shoujo-like media, hell some girls even stop watching anime and just stick to J-dramas, live-action stuff.Then one day after going through their chuuni/edge phase, they can come back to these franchises, maybe because they've grown softer again, maybe because they have kids now and the franchise serves as a bonding time between them, etc.Most westerners only have the perspective of a japanese kodomo show via pokemon, so they don't really understand that whole industry.
>>59305770>Not to say that the RBY and GSC adaptations aren't basically toy comericals, but they at least fell like the people making them had some level of passion wheras from RSE onward I agree that RSE is where it starts feeling more like an advertisement, but GSC feels like they completely ran out of ideas and didn't know how to continue the series. Easily among the worst seasons. It somehow comes across as a filler arc more than Orange Islands (not that I dismiss Orange or consider it unimportant by any means, but it was introduced to pad until GSC's release).
Watch only until the Johto adaptation.It was in the Hoenn adaptation that Ash became a big faggot personalityless NPC
>>59307478Based list.Zoraora movie is amazing introduction to franchise.
>>59311817Honestly I think it's a movie that every Pokemon fan would enjoy, even if you don't care about Ashnime or think it has fallen off at some point, the movie punches about its weight and it's really solid.
>>59311830*above
>>59311549I still don't really understand why they just kept Ash. Like you said, shows like that are used to having new "generations" every few years because kids outgrow these shows. Yet they decided to keep Ash instead of choosing another protag, one based on Gold or Brendan for example. I just don't get it.
>>59311941I think it all started because they wanted to keep Pikachu around as a presence, and they wanted THAT one Pikachu, now a new Pikachu.Keeping Ash was just a secondary consequence of the main objective.Honestly they could've pulled off something like the Yellow arc in the manga since Red's Pikachu starts travelling with Yellow, maybe Ash's Pikachu could've become a recurring Pokemon that went from trainer to trainer without needing to keep Ash, but alas, they lost the critical timing around the Orange>Johto transition and then just kept the ball rolling.
