Sometimes I look at these mons and I think "man, RSE had some really, really good designs". Like, more than half of these are really shit in battle, but you can tell the designers just focused on making them look as cool and interesting as possible. It feels different from something like gen 2, where a lot of them are just blobs with smiley faces, or a lot of gen 4+ designs which are just made of basic shapes and feel like they were made with merchandise in mind rather than making a cool design.
Tropius does not deserve to be as weak as it is.
Using a pic of 3D models is a disservice but yes, Hoenn's dex is the epitome of ' A Breath of Fresh Air'. Totally inspired, you can feel the team's excitement in the designs; the dex strikes a masterful balance of cool and unashamedly fun and optimistic.The colour palette is a masterpiece; adventurous and full of child-like wonder, just as a trainer's journey should be. And that's not even to mention how perfectly the colour palette and designs harmonize with the Hoenn region itself, just looking at the dex transports you to the tropical goodness of the region.Regional Harmony and Inspiration, in these terms the Hoenn dex has yet to be topped.
>>59314437I’ve grown more fond of them over time.
>>59314477>>59314437>Hoenn's dex is the epitome of ' A Breath of Fresh Air'. Totally inspired, you can feel the team's excitement in the designs; the dex strikes a masterful balance of cool and unashamedly fun and optimistic.While I agree, thats exactly why I dislike it. Kanto and Johto's dexes are iconic. Every single one of those creatures is what makes pokemon what it is. Gen 3 just pointlessly break away with the established design philosophies to do its own thing. Which I guess it makes sense considering it is a soft reboot but it is also no wonder it is what killed pokemania.I know some people value difference for differences sake but I don't see the appeal, specially when the thing you are trying to be different from is a good thing.
>>59314477Correct on all accounts. Another thing to mention is the consistency. Basically, all of the Pokémon are interesting. If I had to pick one to shit on, it would be chimecho as the dud.
>>59314437Erratic and fluctuating exp. groups is one of the weirdest additions in Gen 3. The majority of pokemon in those groups were added in Gen 3 or 4.Why does an utter shitmon like Illumise require more experience to reach level 100 than a legendary or pseudo-legendary Pokemon while its slightly less terrible counterpart Volbeat (Volbeat has accsss to Tail Glow, as a saving grace) reaches level 100 in less than half the total exp.?
>>59314616Luvdisc is pretty ass, too, even if it has a gimmick for the gameplay.
>>59314606You weren't there if you think pokemania was still going in gen 2
>>59315000>the single-minded obsession didn't last into the DS eraYou're not a true Scotsman either, sad.
>>59315023Sorry I hurt your feelings, zoomzoom
>>59314606>some people value difference for differences sakeExactly chud, Kanto and Johto defined pokemon. Masuda decided to rewrite it and the franchise is worse for it.Ohmori then defiled it's corpse.
>>59314437Gen 3 is the worst case of overdesigning in this franchise. They put splotches of color on designs for no reason other than "we can display more colors on the GBA at once" /vp/ would clown on 80% of these designs if they were new
>>59315574You're clowning on them now. Don't act special just because you dislike things that most people like.
>>59314606>Kanto and Johto's dexes are iconic. Every single one of those creatures is what makes pokemon what it is. Gen 3 just pointlessly break away with the established design philosophies to do its own thingOnly Kanto. Johto was already a big deviation to what made pokemon what it was with its heavy emphasis on babifying the brand. Gen 3's design jump wasn't pointless but Gamefreak realizing they had to course correct in the opposite direction
I like how they put three rare single stage pokemon next to each other in the dexThese guys are bros, you just know it
Gen 3 is the perfect sweet spot where there's just enough complexity in the designs without stepping into the overdesigned territory of later gens
>>59315574nuh uh
>>59315618>>59315795How about try arguing instead of covering your ears and saying NUH UHPoint is, Hoenn is protected by nostalgia while not having the stigma that Gens 1 and 2 seem to have with younger fans. It's funny how claiming Gen 1 had the best designs is always dogpiled on and met with claims of nostalgia goggles while Gen 3 which is over 20 years old gets none of that treatment
>>59314437Hoenn is based
>>59314437They suck in battle because of powercreep and th later generations slowly getting stronger. Same with KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
>>59317035A lot of the Hoenn dex sucks in Gen 3 Hoenn already.
>>59314606The new Pokemon introduced with Johto were already fairly different than Kanto’s Pokedex. If anything it feels like a precursor to Gen 3.
It's incredible how hard they saved the dex in the final version.Very few gen 3 betamons look as good as the final ones.
>>59315806>Gen 3 which is over 20 years old gets none of that treatmentYou're doing it right now.
>>59318162Not the same and you know it. Gens I & II get crapped on by the majority of smoothbrain losers and Gen 3 is a goldenchild that can do no wrong.Go on a place like reddit and say that - you'll be upvoted if it's the former two and downvoted or even banned if it's the latter.
>>59314437Nah this is some nostalgiafaggotry. There’s a few really good ones like whismur line and gardevoir line but the bulk of the dex is worthless uninteresting shitmons. Like fucking magnetic or medicham or gulpin or the 2 bug things or grumpig and so on. The starters are decent but it also has a fire fighting humanoid that people overlook because of nostalgiafaggotry despite hating on humanoid starters of other gens.
>>59318185Medichan isn't a mon I ever used, but I consider it an interesting mon.
>>59318126>beta malamar>beta primarina>beta greninja (fat)>beta eiscue>beta duraludon>beta klawf>beta togedemaru>beta scraggy>beta beartic>beta meinshao>beta lurantiswonder who else will be revisted?
>>59318096It's true that several Hoenn mons are really close to Johto designs.Ones like Wailmer/Wailord, Spheal/Sealeo/Walrein, Gulpin/Swalot, Makuhita/Hariyama, the Latis, etc.Most of those are early designs that were probably made around late 2000 or early 2001 when the design philosophy was almost the same as in the late 90s when Johto was in development (clean, round silhouettes, a lack of complex body patterns, etc.)Many of the later RS designs are more complex and closer to Gen 4 and 5 design philosophy, e.g. Aggron, Ludicolo, Armaldo, Metagross, Groudon, etc.Overall I think the designs are closer to Gen 4 and 5 but less "edgy" and tryhard (nothing comparable to Giratina, Darkrai, Haxorus, Bisharp, or Hydreigon).Though even Gen IV has a few Johto-esque designs like Cherubi.The only Johto designs that are generally more complex than the Gen 3 equivalent are the Legendary Beasts (the Regis are simpler in terms of design even if not thematically) BUT the Legendary Beasts weren't really designed by Game Freak's standard art team.They were externalized to a freelance manga artist named Muneo Saito.
>>59318126That polar bear looks cooler than Beartic, ngl.
>>59318199You clearly don't
>>59318185>>59315806>you can't ever say anything good about this old thing or you're blinded by nostalgiaI wish mouth breathing retards like these ones didn't have access to internet.
>>59315806>How about try arguingargue what debatefag? your algo-generated opinion that gen 3 LE BAD because Camerupt has blue rings? maybe come back with an original thought and someone will actually play debate club with you.
>>59318218You can like something a normal amount and still think it deserves to exist.Hoenn simply has more tier-S and tier-A mons that I want to use in my playthroughs, doesn't mean the B-tier ones are bad designs.
>>59318185I would much MUCH rather use grumpig than fucking oinkologne and if you say you wouldn't you're lying only to yourself.
>>59318230Sure but if you haven't used a pokemon a single time you clearly don't find it interesting. Medicham has existed for over two decades and is readily available in multiple games you have replayed several times.
>>59314606Gen 2 killed Pokemania when the anime shat out a lot of boring filler episodes and Crystal didn’t add anything substantial other than the ugliest female mc
>>59318209These two are even more bland than Seel.
>>59318260Based. Fuck krisfags
>>59318266The bottom one is literally just a dog.
>>59318266Stoutland and Mabosstiff have a similar vibe.
>>59318219Tell that to Gen 1 and 2 haters (many of which happen to be Gen 3 or 4 kids)
>>59318266not as bland as Taillow
>>59318179You're seething at things you're making up.
>>59314437Is there a detailed list of who designed each mon in gen 3, like there is for gen 1? I assume that most are by Sujimori but wish i knew for sure.
>>59314437I am playing omega ruby now and am literally struggling to field a team of 6 because I can’t find enough guys that I like
>>59318565ORAS has megas so you could take that into account as well, like Mega Sableye and Mawile are kino.
>>59314477Maybe a stupid place to ask this but does anybody know a utility similar to the Favorites Picker that uses sprites or Sugi art? Just feel like so many mons are poorly represented by home/DW depictions
>>59314446It was born to be an HM slave and horde Sweet Scenter and it excels at those.
>>59318644Thanks man. This is my team so far. I’m in flannery’s gym right now. I kind of want to get a Flygon but I’m unsure of who to get for my last guy. I probably need a water surfer like sharpedo or will just get the regional shillmon absol
>>59318674I always like using Aggron and Ralts as well.Make use to use a Heart Scale to make Exploud learn Boomburst, it's a new move that he got in gen 6 (140 power + STAB from normal type, pretty good).After the 7th gym but before the 8th gym there's a certain "event" to get access to the national dex which unlocks tons of Pokemon in the DexNav feature (you can touch the shadows to find hidden pokemon, there's a bunch of new ones from different regions). A bit late into the game but at least it's not post-game.
>>59318713Oh sweet thanks. Bro is going to hit like a truck with 140 bp STAB. I’ve never played like that just using normal STAB because it’s not super effective against anything but I just swept flannery with loudred echoed voice. Also regarding dexnav I used it to get an Aron with rock head and head smash which is cool.
>>59318126>>59318209It is really easy to see why so many modern pokemon designs are shit once you realize how many of them are literally rejected designs
>>59319070Not like they reused the designs 1:1, just concepts.
>>59315618>>59318162>>59318219>>59318226and people don't believe me when i say hoennfags are dicks
>>59319090Don't be a retard if you don't want to get called retarded.
>>59319070I disagree. I think modern pokemon designs are the best ever. They have gotten very good at making appealing pokemon. They had a rough stretch in gen 3-4 after they moved on from the initial design philosophy before they realized they needed a hard reset with gen 5, which is where they turned it around. Gen 7 to present is the golden age. We don’t realize how good we have it.
>>59319117i'm not the other guy. you're only further proving my post.
>>59319188Why is he further proving your point? Is he stupid?
Bros, can you help me out with my team in Pokemon Sapphire?It's currently composed of Combusken, Kirlia, Breloom and Swellow and I intend on catching a Feebas and evolve it into a MiloticWhat should be my last Pokemon? This matters to me because I'm currently in the Mauville game corner and just got 8000 coins after some days of grinding, and I don't know how much more I should grind until I'm sure whether the last team member will use one of the corner's TMs or notSo far I intend on buying Flamethrower, Thunderbolt and Ice beam for Blaziken, Gardevoir and Milotic respectively
>>59320322Manectric would be a solid choice desu
>>59320370What would it do that's not accomplished by Gardevoir with Thunderbolt? I guess I really don't have a better idea tho
>>59320322Swalot. It can use up your extra TMs like shock wave amd shadow ball, learns ice beam too if you want to grind out an extra.
>>59318210The gen 2 mon made with the 1999 dev reset/Masuda era are closer to gen 3 pokemon, in turn the early gen 3 pokemon are closer to gen 2. There's a clear shift in style both human and pokemon by 2003 when FRLG began development and the first gen 4 pokemno were designed.
>>59320413I noticed it tooPlaying pokemon pearl I noticed that the girls' designs' bust size was way more pronounced Sexier than DPPT overall
Gen 3 designs are all: "we can have 3 colors now!!"And them gen 4 are like: "we can have 4 and 5 colors now, nets add scars, spikes and tatoos"
>>59320537Wipe your tears before trying to type next time.
>>59320529By pearl I meant sapphireI'm playing with games congruently so I mixed them up
>>59320413Pokemon humans change artstyle once every 2 gens to be honest.HGSS and Platinum-exclusive designs already start looking like BW, then you get to SM and you feel a different lineart as well, then 2 gens later SV is different again, etc.
>>59318126I miss these guys and wish they would come back one day.
>>59320644That's true, though personally I think FRLG onwards is the big main design shift both human and pokemon.Not just because the gen 1 pkmn got standardised but because pic related (made around the same time) pretty much sets the tone for the sort of designs you see going forward in the franchise.There was a brilliant post ages ago about "old" vs "new" Pokemon's design philosophy and how that was clearly showcased in how Spoink evolves into Grumpig.
>>59320893>that was clearly showcased in how Spoink evolves into Grumpig.What was the argument? Because if we're going to talk about "abandoning themes" or something then there's a lot of weird cases in gen 1 like Graveler becoming Golem, Wartortle becoming Blastoise, arguably entire Gastly line, etc.
>>59320923Moreso the design tropes. Spoink starts out as a abstraction of an animal with a gimmick, much like the majority of gen 1-3 designs. Then it evolves and becomes this pig with a sassy attitude and "cool" features like a mascot for some cheap candy.https://arch.b4k.dev/vp/thread/55155501/#q55156491
>>59320930I was expecting an argument but that post just sounds like it's going off "muh personal vibes" like a generic post you would find any other day here in /vp/. Nothing brilliant about that.
>>59320893That baby Vulpix does like Zorua's cousin lol
>>59320957>that post just sounds like it's going off "muh personal vibes" like a generic post you would find>he says while making a generic as fuck post with nothing of actual value to add to the discussion Stellar argument, anon.
>>59314437My top two favorite lines came from Hoenn. If only either of them were good lol
>>59320930>it evolves and becomes this pig with a sassy attitude and "cool" featuresYou're making things up to seethe at.
>>59321036I'm not seeing the "cool features" anon's going on about but it almost always appears with a shit eating grin or smirk.
>>59321043Yeah, so? Gengar and Cloyster do the same thing.
>>59320893>>59320930>calling your own post from 3 years ago brilliantcringe
>>59318266A wingless peacock with sturdy legs could work,at that point it is basically superficially a peacock but with the anatomy of a cassowary. It would need several more iterations to feel like a proper pokémon though.
>>59314437the thing Hoenn has over every other dex is the colorsevery single Pokemon in this dex oozes variation through color
>>59321050>>59321062I have to assume you're one samefag constantly spamming this thread because holy fuck, all your posts are so pathetic and braindead.
>>59320930Man, I miss this era of /vp/. It was so lively back then.
>>59321062No, I just lurk in archives especially where betashit and design discussion is concerned
>>59321074>I have to assume you're one samefagLike most posters here do when they start getting insulted by everyone.
If Linoone can get a cross-gen evo, so can Mightyena!
>>59321153This looks nothing like Mightyena tho
>>59320893The difference between the scratchpad and final designs for Cranidos and Abomasnow are probably a more apt example.
>>59314437Gen 3 is when they finally pinned down what exactly a Pokemon is supposed to look like. Then they forgot again in gen 8.
>>59314606>JohtoCome on, anon.They spend like 4 generations trying to fix gen 2.
>another thread devolved into johto derangement syndromekek
>>59321899Ecelebs truly were a mistake
>>59314437Terrible dex. Half of these are forgettable shitters and don’t even look like pokemon
>>59322441Saying that gen 3 mons "don't look like pokemon" is so 2005 lolIt's like I'm back to middle school and my buddies are starting to feel too cool for Pokemon.Those mons have been part of the franchise for 20+ years at this point, unless you have played NO games at all I can even fanthom thinking like this.
>>59314437Hoenn has one of my favourite 'dexes. I feel like Johto is more consistent (Hoenn has a few "meh" designs whereas I like almost every single Johto 'mon) but the best of Hoenn are some of my favourites in the entire franchise.
>>59314446I want it to get an evo with a stupidly high bst, like 640 or so, with just kinda meh distribution and no real changes to its abilities, cus if it just got like a 40% boost to all of its stats it would probably still be kinda useless in anything resembling comp but still be quite fun
>>59321849>Gen 3 is when they finally pinned down what exactly a Pokemon is supposed to look like.Just say you started with Gen 3, how are you going to discredit Gens 1 and 2 which are infinitely more popular?
>>59322449I guess in 20 years that means that Gen 9 Pokemon will be immune to criticism because they've been around a while
>>59318656And yet Game Freak took that away while Archaludon gets to have excessive privilege.
>>59322564NTA but every Pokemon gen after Gen 3 has looked more like Gen 3 than Gen 2 or Gen 1.
>>59322564because they were on the Gameboy which people actually liked as opposed to the Game Boy Advance which was nerd shit
>>59320930so like ponyta to rapidash?
>>59320968>Stellar argumentconsidering what you linked, it could be called "brilliant"
>>59319090>>59319188>someone says something inflammatory>get flamed trying to stick up for him>"ugh, you guys are such DICKS"Go to a black neighborhood and yell "NIGGER"
>>59318266>peacock splits into espartha, flamigo, and quaquaval>dog splits into houndstone and mabosstiff
>>59318674Trapinch->Flygon & Crawdaunt should be your last two. Or Chimechao instead of either of those.
>>59314437>man, RSE had some really, really good designs
>>59323075air quotes for emphasis btw
