It’s not a bad game, but it’s not a good Pokémon game. It’s like if Disney made Akira.
>>59323049It's the best Pokémon game ever made
>>59323049>It’s not a bad game, but it’s not a good [franchise] game.Is this the biggest midwit take ever?
>>59323049play bw2 and all problems are fixed
>>59323057fpbp
>>59323049It's not a bad game, but it's not a good Mario Party
>>59323049>but it’s not a good Pokémon gameWhat the hell does that even mean?
>>59323057...when you dont count any other generation
>>59323083>eggs and bacon are a nice breakfast but not a great desertSomehow, this opinion trigger retards
>>59323091This is true. DS, 6 and 7 are to this day still peak mario party.
>>59323049>Translation: Couldn't find enough Zubats and Geodudes
>>59323083His thinks Akira is good, that should already answer your question.
>>59323143>His thinks…You can’t even write properly. How are you going to appreciate a good movie?
>>59323135Exactly! Because putting sugar instead of salt in eggs and bacon doesn’t make it a dessert… You understood perfectly.
>>59323049Please never compare again a masterpiece with this shit game. >>59323086This.>>59323143>Filtered
>>59323057Out of the mainline games, yes.
>>59323049What would a good pokemon game be like?
>>59323086>shit story>healers everywhere>infinite TMsBW2 didn't fix anything
>>59323049>It’s not a bad game, but it’s not a good ____ game.This is usually said for games that have undergone a radical shift in game design. This does not apply to Pokemon Black and White at all, it has the same game design as the previous games.
>>59323049It's just qualityslop
>>59323049What's not Pokemon about it? The story, which is resolved with "actually, everything is fine the way it's been for the rest of the series"?
>>59323049I disagree, as in my opinion it's simply the best pokemon entry because it's also pretty much the only half-decent pokemon game that gf ever made.
>>59323262>Out of the mainline gamesThis>>59323328>What's not Pokemon about it?Can you imagine Pokémon as a shooter?
>>59323328I talk like this. Also I have images like this saved.
>>59323286>shit story Actually BW2 story is much better, Because N is no longer being manipulated but still refuses Poké Balls, and this remains an open question that the game does not resolve.>healers everywhereFair enough>Infinite TMsThese are good. I never used TMs before Gen 5 because i wanted to collect all the items.
>>59323057FPBP>>59323049 got raped and flooded with cum
>>59323049nah, it's a bad game too
>>59323344>Can you imagine Pokémon as a shooter?Snap
>>59323385>I never used TMs before Gen 5 because i wanted to collect all the items.You've still collected them even if you use them.
N is the best character to come out of any pokemon game.
>>59323467Lillie.
>>59323049I’m playing it for the first time and I’m liking it for the most part thus far.My only complaints:- All of the gen 5 pokemon I like and want on my team evolve late and/or are found late, even at 5 badges my team is barely starting to come together. I don’t like being over-reliant on my starter.- Castelia city and the desert route sucked, the pace slowed to a crawl at that point.
>>59323477Nah
>>59323503Really, I remember getting really hyped entering Castelia+desert route.It was the first time that GF made a big city FEEL like a big city and it wasn't cumbersome to navigate like Lumiose. The desert route has mons like Sandile, Scraggy or Yamask which are valid options. If anything I think that's the part where the game gets momentum (well, actually from Pinwheel Forest).
>>59323057It's up there, but nope.
>>59323547YAAS QUEEN!!!! Lillie's the GoAT but smells like lillies I'm assuming.
>>59323268>open world>pokemon roam around naturally>buildings that you can actually enter>tons of stuff to do
>>59323565Story-wise, it was good. In terms of the graphics I found it to be a mixed bag, it did feel like a big city, but at times it looked bad when the camera would zoom out to the point where your character is literally a few pixels on the screen.I ended up spending more time from gyms 3-4 than I'd like because Dewott wasn't cutting it for Burgh's gym so I had to level up a Darumaka (cbf with Pansear), and then a Sandile for Elesa's gym, and I wasn't sure if I wanted to commit to having them on my team permanently. Also I'm personally just not the biggest fan of desert stages in games.My original plan was to have Cofagrigus, Volcarona, Braviary, and Hydreigon, but then I found out just how time consuming that would actually be. Decided to go with Chandelure and Reuniclus instead of Cofagrigus+Volcarona, still gonna commit to Hydreigon, but not sure about Braviary. Having the Lucky Egg should make things a bit better now though.
>>59323626>>open world
>>59323686Okay semi-open but it functions better than SV's barren land.
>>59323568>worse story>worse rivals>worse evil team(s)>no day/night cycle>dex has as many shitmons as johto>quite possibly the worst elite 4 lineup from any mainline game.yea the battle frontier is neat, but everything leading up to it is fairly mediocre.
>>59323680>Volcarona, Braviary, and HydreigonYeah they're kinda endgame, then again it's comparable to wait for like Scyther/Aerodactyl/Dragonite in gen 1 which are all in the late-game as well.It's a game with 150 mons as well so they have to spread them evenly, it's less of a problem in regional dexes with 200-400 mons.Still a cool gimmick to just have new pokemon and we're never going to see a setup like this again.
>>59323686We need more games with a progression like the one KANTOOOOOOO had, it was near perfect. Not really open world, but far from being linear either.
>>59323686that's weird, because every person I've seen screeching about open world outs themselves as being incredibly dogshit at pokemon games.
>>59323680Volcarona is easier to use in BW2 since you can catch one in the desert ruins as a static encounter (kinda like a legendary), I think after gym 3.
>>59323699No.Valid, but because N is just on a league of his own, May and Wally are still better than most other gens.Lmao.Valid, but that hardly adds to the game's quality.Fucking lmao. Possibly the best pokedex in the series.Lol. Lmao even. Drake alone is better than the entirety of Unova's elite four, three out of four of them looking like generic trainers.Also things you forgot to mention about Emerald:>better music>better pace>better side content>more interesting legendariesZoomers are so deluded into thinking that gen 5 is peak and that everything before or after is just abysmal. The only actual things Unova has going for it are the story and its rival. There is a reason if it sold like shit during its original run.
>>59323568AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>59323723>it sold like shit during its original runI, too, like to spout pure bullshit just for the fuck of it
>>59323568>the second (2nd) most interesting plot/story>the best pacing>the best graphics>the best group of town themes>the best group of battle themes>the best opening and ending theme>the best soundfont>the best competitive foundation and the best balancing>the best movedex>satisfactory technical progression>the best performance>the best extracurricular activities and "sidequests">the best postgame facilities>the best character designs>the best isolated dex>the best region and map design>the best level design>the best encounter design (though missing mons)>the best cover>the most sought after and expensive cartridge>the best looking cartridge>best spinoffs>best companion remakesIt simply cannot be topped, and anyone who says otherwise is either blinded by nostalgia from whatever their first pokemon game was or low iq.
>>59323738Alright, I worded it wrong, I meant to say that it's the gen that sold the least not counting remakes and enhanced versions.
>>59323743>anyone who says otherwise is either blinded by nostalgia from whatever their first pokemon game was or low iqBut your opinions are totally logical and awesome. You're such a fag.
>>59323749It was the result of having 2 gens in the same console t-b-h.Same reason why games like Final Fantasy 7 sold so much, they were there at the right time and place, during the height of the console. Once a new console is on the horizon there's just less hype to buy games.By gen 5 that "height" buff was on its decline, and it was 100% over by BW2. Still good games though.
>>59323755Correct, because I was playing these games before you were even able to hold your DS, potentially even born.
>>59323759And before someone mentions the Switch, the pandemic gave it a second wind and Nintendo was still taking their sweet time for the Switch 2.
Would ORAS have been better if it was made in gen 5?
>>59323723>Fucking lmao. Possibly the best pokedex in the series.Okay let’s say I want a fire type for my team if I didn’t go with Torchic, my choices are… Torkoal, Camerupt, Ninetales, and Ninetales…. Would you look at that? They’re all shitmons. Platinum had a similar problem but at least it gives you Rapidash which is better than anything offered in Hoenn. The only reason the game is even playable is every other NPC is also using shitmons. Electric? Manectric is a worse Jolteon. Oh wait Emerald doesn’t even give you an Eevee for some retarded reason, BW at least has the excuse of trying to be a reboot. So you’ll end up with a bunch of evolution stones you’ll never end up using.>Lol. Lmao even. Drake alone is better than the entirety of Unova's elite four, three out of four of them looking like generic trainers.I’m talking about the teams you dumb jogger. Look at pic related, do you seriously think this is acceptable?I actually like gens 4 and 5 equally, and it’s obvious that gen 3 was Pokemon’s first malaise era.Hoenn also sold worse than Unova btw, look it up, nig-nog.
>>59323771>Would ORAS have been better if it had drastically worse graphics and animations, worse QoL, no dexnav, no soaring, no pokemon amie, no super training, and worse multiplayer?
>>59323771I would say yes. Megas are neat but they don't fit in Hoenn imo and the gen 5 game design was much better.
>>59323761We're probably around the same age and I like emerald. You're just a fag about it.
>>59323771Objectively, yes. Anyone that’s played Emerald knows that ORAS was a spit in the face to Hoenn fans.
>>59323786And it would have been even more of a spit in the face if it was made in gen 5.
>>59323776>crying about shitmons>while also crying about how weak a boss isso bad lmao
>>59323776>They’re all shitmons.They're serviceble for in-game, people need to stop to look at in-game offline playthroughs like they're some hardcore competitive.
>>59323568Emerald is worse just by virtue of being on the Gameboy. It was such a shitty system.
>>59323808GB and GBA are completely different.GBA was basically a portable SNES and aged really well.
>>59323776>Hoenn also sold worse than Unova btw, look it up, nig-nog.Only if you combine BW with BW2 and RS with Emerald. And that it's not by a considerable magnitude. >>59323749
>>59323749>The best game in the 8th generation (LA) sold less than fucking LGPEYea this franchise is done. Switch era has been a disaster for the series
>>59323776>Hoenn also sold worse than Unova btw, look it up, nig-nog.>Initial games and their literal SEQUELS (barely) outsold the Hoenn initial games and its enhanced version despite releasing on a console that sold twice as much as the GBA.Grim.Also Emerald is the most downloaded ROM of the GBA library and Pokemon in general according to every good rom site. BW don't even reach top 5 on the DS library.
>>59323049It is a good Pokemon game and has a good Pokemon anime.
>>59323723>May and Wally are still better than most other gensWally appears 3 times, for 5 minutes
>>59323057i would say BW2 are objectively the best pokemon games content-wise, not my favorite games but technically the highest point of the franchise
>>59323935>muh contentI never get you guys. Sure it has things like Musicals and Pokestar but those are worth nothing to me. If you want an "objective" measure of content then look at game completion time, BW2 does not throne at the top for 100% completion.But we all know looking at technicalities to prove if a game is good or not is stupid.
>>59323935>i would say BW2 are objectively the best pokemon games content-wise,Yeah, you just have to ignore that they have less than half the routes of HGSS, fewer routes than DPPt, fewer routes than ORAS, no Battle Frontier, fewer Pokemon than literally every non-remake non-legends game after it, no contests, no pokeathlon, no secret bases, no berry farming, no pokeradar, no fish chaining, no super training, and no pokemon amie
>>59323942>Sure it has things like Musicals and Pokestar but those are worth nothing to meKeyword is "to me", also 100% BW2 is insane and i doubt many people did that.Complete pokestar, funfest missions, medals, passerby analytics HQ>>59323953Wow, and still has more content than all the games you mentioned
>>59323953NTA but the PWT alone is worth at least 4 or 5 of those filler features together.Route number by itself isn't much. No Battle Frontier is a valid point, but then again it doesn't have as much aura.
>>59323966>Wow, and still has more content than all the games you mentionedWow, and you still have to lie to cope over your shitty games>>59323969>NTA but the PWT alone is worth at least 4 or 5 of those filler features together.PWT is drastically worse than the BF and arguably not even as good as the Battle Maison. This makes it worse content-wise than Platinum and HGSS by default.
>>59323953Aren't some routes in RSE/ORAS like a single path divided into four numbers for some reason?
>>59323977>not even as good as the Battle MaisonElaborate how
>>59323966>Keyword is "to me"Point is that quality matters. If any content is worthwhile as long as it appeals to one person then the peak of any franchise or gaming in general would be the biggest time sinks, which is a ridiculous conclusion to arrive at.
>>59323977In mechanical terms yes, but you're fighting randos in the generic towers, not important characters from all your journeys up to that point.It's a matter of "cold hard analysis" VS "SOVL" and sometimes SOVL simply wins over logic.
>>59323986>PWT alone is worth at least 4 or 5 of those filler features togetherElaborate how>>59323988>In mechanical terms yes, but have you considered that instead of substantial content and challenging gameplay I get to clap like a retard at characters I recognize?yeah true XY has better content than BW2 because I get to see more kanto pokemon
>>59323996PWT is good because it's all gens, not just one.Also it's dedicate to a single place, not all over the game.It's focused and multi-gen, that's why it's a good type of fanservice and why it's so hype.
>>59324006>PWT is good because it panders to the games my zoomie brain grew up with, not the one I perpetually seethe over
>>59323953>battle frontierI agree, killing it was one of the worst things they did. But the one neat thing the battle subway did was make the first three baby mode rounds before the fist boss their own separate category and you unlock the difficult mode after defeating the subway boss for the first time so you can just jump into the actually hard fights in subsequent runs..>contests Sucked. They were opposite of the battles mechanically, difficult to get into with little to no payoff in the rest of the game.>secret basedI agree, killing those was overall a bad move>farmingJust got replaced with zero brain EV/IV/nature “training” modes which make them feel even less like worlds in and of themselves>shinyhunting/chainingI think alola’s chaining system was the coolest, one of the few things I remember those games did well.>pokeathlonlol, just a one off gimmick for HGSS. Literally this lack of a “feature” can be levied to literally every other game in the series.
>>59323953>no super training, and no pokemon amieYou’re complaining that the game doesn’t have features that were added in a following gen? Are you retarded nigger? Also super training is literally just casualized EV training except there’s even less reason to do it in gen 6 because there’s only 2 battle facilities vs 4 in gen 5. Amie is also just another alternative method to increase affection which literally every other game also has.
XY are objectively the best Pokemon games content wiseIf you bring up examples from other games I'll just they're filler or I didn't like them or they released after XY so they don't count
>>59323935>objectivelyForm your own opinions, faggot
>>59324024This. Gen 1 is objectively the best content wise. You can't claim games after it have more content because you're just complaining that the game doesn't have features that were added in a following gen
>>59324034t-b-h people make fun of gen 1 for just having a cave with Mewtwo, but when you realize that Stadium can serve as a gen 1 postgame, then it has quite a bit of content.
>>59324024holy literacy skills
>>59323049It's nothing like the other mainline Pokemon games. That's why it's good.
>>59323987I agree, quality>> quantity, i just think Pokestar is fun, but yeah musicals are trash
>>59324079This. You just have to ignore how you pick the Grass/Fire/Water starter from professor tree exactly like every other mainline Pokemon game while your childhood friend rival picks the other starter exactly like every other mainline Pokemon game then you go around collecting 8 gym badges exactly like every other mainline Pokemon game while you defeat Team Bad Guy along the way exactly like other mainline Pokemon game and then you go to Victory Road and beat the Elite 4 like every other mainline Pokemon game to enter the Hall of Fame exactly like every other mainline Pokemon game
>>59324101>while your childhood friend rival picks the other starter exactly like every other mainline Pokemon gameSilver isn't your childhood friend
>>59324114You understand, it wasn't necessary
>>59324079Sounds like you just hate pokemon.
>>59323222>>59323252It's just a cheap ripoff of Frankenstein, the plot goes nowhere, all character focus is on angsty teenagers instead of the politically important characters. Pretty visuals alone don't make a good movie.
>>59324114Neither is May/Brendan. They're just some kid you moved next to
>>59323723>May and Wally are still better than most other gens.
>>59323626that's just either of the pokemon mods for minecraft
>>59323091It's a fantastic Slice of Life game. I'm not sure if anything else out there is like it, but I'd play it if I could.
>>59323686You can go left... or right!
>>59323057HGSS>Emerald>B2W2>BW
>>59323143Akira is a great movie
>>59324817X/Y>ORAS>HGSS>Emerald>B2W2>BWFTFY
>>59323049>polarizing games are polarizingPokemon gen 5 is, in my opinion, the best parting gift one could have gotten from the last truly ambitious era of Pokemon and Gamefreak. At this point, it's tiring to constantly bring this up, but this will never not be a controversial game. You can appreciate the era for what it was, and move on. They are fine Pokemon games. We have to accept that they will never not stir strong opinions on either sides.
>>59324817true>>59324921false
>>59324946>from the last truly ambitious era of Pokemon and GamefreakTruly ambitious in the amount of content they managed to lazily cut from the previous gen?
>how it feels to chew gen 5 gum>stimulate your senselessness
>>59325133Look, I think BW are overrated to the extreme, but the risk they took with only new* mons and an attempt to tell a more mature narrative was ambitious.If you don't give honest criticism nobody will respect your position. Gen V was very obviously to Masuda what Gen I & II were to Tajiri. I believe it stumbled as much as it triumphed but it certainly wasn't lacking in ambition.*many retreads of Gen I
>>59325133The only things that have truly aged gen 5 poorly is the inability to grow berries in-game as well as the exclusion of the frontier. Otherwise, they were both very enjoyable sets of games, I wouldn't say I enjoyed them more over my Platinum game, but they were genuinely ambitions, especially compared to the lazy slop that came after
>>59325276>but the risk they took with only new* monsWhat risk? All the old Pokemon are still in the game.>and an attempt to tell a more mature narrativeWhat mature narrative? They have the grunts nonsensically kick a Munna 10 minutes into the game to let the player know they're the exact same type of Saturday morning cartoon villains as all the previous evil teams.>>59325285>The only things that have truly aged gen 5 poorly is the inability to grow berries in-game as well as the exclusion of the frontierAnd the terrible graphicsAnd the completely linear railroaded gameplay that makes the game completely pointless to replay
>>59325276>and an attempt to tell a more mature narrative was ambitious.You don't write shit like this by accident, it was done on purpose because they didn't care. Masuda is a hack
>>59325299Notice I said, "attempt" - I never said I felt Masuda succeeded.But I do believe Masuda "attempted" to tell a more mature story.
>>59325308Yeah by my point is, is that an actual attempt? Did they actually try? Because i feel they never took it seriously. That's why im disappointed
>>59325295>And the terrible graphicssubjective opinion>And the completely linear railroaded gameplay that makes the game completely pointless to replayAs opposed to the branching non-linear story telling of RBY, GSC, RSE, DPPt? The story was more prevalent sure, but I wouldn't consider it any more unenjoyable as the previous nonsensical apocalypse stories railroading you across the entire region with often times ridiculous roadblocks
>>59325308>th-they attempted to be ambitious!!Agreed, XY is the most ambitious game in the series.
>>59325314>subjective opinionNo it isn't. It objectively looks terrible compared to other DS and GBA games.>As opposed to the better gameplay?Yes.
>>59325315Pokémon and ambition are two parallel lines
>>59325319>if i keep spamming the word "objective" enough times, it'll surely become true!>better game playlol lmao
>>59325326>if i keep spamming the word "objective" enough times, it'll surely become true!It's true regardless of whether I say the word objective or not. Get an argument instead of being assblasted over a word.>better game playCorrect.
>>59325345>come up with an argument of your own bro lol>meanwhile his only "argument" is dude trust me lmao
>>59325326Agreed with everything but the pic. A raging drunk blocking your path was based Gen 1 design.
>>59325351erm, he's actually just caffeine addicted in the safe for work western version
>>59325345Ok but the games on the left are full 2d, while gen 5 is a 3d map with 2d sprites. Doesn't seem a fair comparison
>>59325361>Ok but the games on the left look better
>>59323049>Lots of effort done to the game, especially with the sequel>Still somehow feels like one of the worst gens, mainly because the older mons don't show up until post-gameThey fucked it up royally.
>>59325944>mainly because the older mons don't show up until post-gameI've never understood that complaint.Like do some people literally use the same team every time?I find that hard to do when replaying a Pokémon game, never mind a completely different region.
>>59325958the problem is that the gen 5 dex is shit.everything cool appears/evolves far too late to be worth a damn with the exception of like 5 mons, leading the player to make incredibly samey teamsb2w2 addresses this sort of, but also locked a shitton of gen 5 mons to postgame (as well as the entire fucking daycare for whatever reason) so it has the opposite problem
>>59325958Usually in a run, you have a mix of the new -mons alongside some of the old. Asking for all the -mons in one game is already impossible. I get they were going for a reboot of the series, but if you can't even get fucking Pikachu, your damn mascot, in your party somewhat early or mid game, you've royally fucked up. Can't pull that kind of shit unless you're in Kantooooooo.
>>59325966>but if you can't even get fucking Pikachu, your damn mascot, in your party somewhat early or mid game, you've royally fucked up.I beg to differ. HGSS is the best game in the franchise by far, and Pikachu is endgame.
>>59325965>the problem is that the gen 5 dex is shit.no it isn't/thread
>>59325276>wah wah any criticism is dishonest and bad faithEvery time.
>>59323049at least battles got fasterhad more fun with this than gen 3 or sinnoh games
>>59326015>can’t grow berries at all>didn’t fix retarded level curve from originals>match calling system still sucks ass>bafflingly locks regional dex mons to post-E4 areas>implements a Safari Zone so dogshit, it completely killed the conceptThe only thing I will praise HGSS for is the art direction. Everything else is meh or shit
>>59323137>7lollmaonostalgiatards are pathetic, 6 is the only good one of the gamecube games
>>59326401>can’t grow berries at allBerry pot>bafflingly locks regional dex mons to post-E4 areasPretty sure it's only Houndoom for Johto Pokemon, but yeah I think there's some Kanto Pokemon still locked there (not checking which ones)>implements a Safari Zone so dogshit, it completely killed the conceptIt was one of those features that was designed for people with friends
>>59326364>characterizing my statement as, "wah wah"Thanks for proving my point about bad faith arguments for me.
>>59324784Except for the pokemon part.If you want fan games you have actually decent ones.
>>59325387That's not a fair comparison
>>59326414>Putting a bunch of bullshit furniture down and waiting 400 years for a Gible to show up is having friends according to /vp/
>saying the games are both not good and not bad to piss off both sidesLol. Gr8 b8 m8
>>59326470>more cryingThis is why I said wah wah. You can't help but act like a victim everywhere you go.
>>59326408Retard
>>59326401
>>59327700dex is also like twice the size though
>>59327700OW!!!! You didn't have to be that vicious, famicom.
>>59327722ratio of available regional mons to unavailable mons is worse in b2w2
>>59327730can you give me the exact numbers? regional dex and unavailable for each
>>59327742we're gonna be ignoring mythicals for fairness' sake, since they're never obtainable in normal gameplaybecause elekid is available early with the pokewalker, which came with the game, and across both versions, ho-oh and lugia are available in the johto half of the story, they will be omitted, although it wouldn't make much of a difference anyway>hgss: 7/99 or 7.07% of gen 2 mons are postgame only>b2w2: 21/152 or 13.82% of gen 5 mons are postgame onlyin fairness, if you consider evolution levels, b2w2 did a lot to address the evolution level issue with gen 5's dex, as the champion's strongest pokemon is now level 59 and you have early access to braviary/mandibuzz and volcarona, meaning the only regional pokemon that evolves past the champion's level is the pseudo legendary in both games (tyranitar and hydreigon). this doesn't change the fact that b2w2 still has it way worse
>>59327700...That's how all the third versions have worked, you moron.
>>59327796it's also worth noting restricting some pokemon to postgame is not an uncommon thing. even if we ignore legendaries, there's beldum in rse, and don't even get me started on dp>>59327803no it isn't lol, typically third versions make things available earlier, with one or two version exclusives being unavailable outright, but that doesn't apply here since b2w2 is a pair of games.
>>59324921trying way too hard kojo
>>59323049I remember when people in my high school Pokemon club were gay for N and pretended the story was the deepest thing they've ever seen.God I don't miss those days.
>>59323743>durr nostalgia bad>he says when this game is almost 16 years oldPipe down 30 year old boomer
>>59327808crystal literally started this with flaafy.
>>59323743none of these things are true
>>59327980Yes. Notice how I said HGSS was the best Pokemon game and not Crystal
>>59327700you can use all of those in BW
>>59327973Like Death Note
>>59323049They're the most overrated games in the series by far; as insufferable as Red and Blue. Both with annoying fanbase and great pornography, but the games themselves are good in their own right.>>59325276>but the risk they took with only new* mons What risks? You still get them post-game. And you forgot that in most Pokémon games you can't really capture all PKMN. Gen 3 had you use its region mons more often, unlike GS, where you encounter more Kanto mons than its own region roster.>and an attempt to tell a more mature narrative was ambitiousThe only attempt at a "mature narrative" was at the end of the game; 80% of the whole story is as ridiculous and tone-deaf as the games before and after. This >>59325299 should have been a dead giveaway. In fact, Switch games should tell you that Pokémon writers most of the time are just bad writers.>Gen V was very obviously to Masuda what Gen I & II were to Tajiri. I believe it stumbled as much as it triumphed but it certainly wasn't lacking in ambition.(no, the irony is not lost on me) I won't take this comparison seriously because, yes, Game Freak was a small doujin team with a minimal budget, so Satoshi had to sacrifice some of his vision with time and money breathing down his neck and that hack Miyamoto approving his project, but he still had his passion. The Stadium games, the anime, which is way better than the BW saga since it's actually memorable and fun. PokeSpe even goes so far as to say that Red Chapter is what he almost envisioned. Man had fire in his heart in times when he was more constrained, so he had to take his shit full as much as he could until he believed it was his last song (GSC). What he did was really ambitious.Masuda had a lot of time and money to make BW the most "ambitious" game in the series by far. So there's ZERO excuse for having shit like, again, >>59325299.
>>59328266> as insufferable as Red and BlueOpinion Discarded.
>>59328271Gee, I love seeing more KANTOOOO mons in France...
>>59323743>the second (2nd) most interesting plot/storyNot even top 3>the best graphicsblinded by nostalgiaDS gen was a strict graphical upgrade>the best group of town themesDPPt are better>the best group of battle themesDPPt and BW are better>the best opening and ending themeFirst one that's arguable>the best soundfontDS was a strict upgrade>the best competitive foundation and the best balancingFirst one that's clearly true>the best movedexBasically just a subsection of the previous one>the best performanceI agree>the best extracurricular activities and "sidequests"This actually goes to the new gen games (exlcuding battle facilities)>the best postgame facilitiesPlatinum is at least equal>the best character designsNot even close... what characters in gen 3 could possibly make this true>the best isolated dexAgree>the best region and map designNo>the best level designDebatable, but I agree>the best encounter design (though missing mons)eh, no strong opinion on this>the best coverno, gold and silver have more sovl>the most sought after and expensive cartridgethis is a reddit-tier comment to make>the best looking cartridgereddit>best spinoffsAssuming you mean Ranger and Dungeon... but the best games of those were in later gens>best companion remakeHGSS
>>59323049>but it’s not a good Pokémon gameIt is.>It’s like if Disney made AkiraStrange comparison but okay
>>59323135wouldn't a more apt comparison be>eggs and bacon aren't a bad food, but they're not a good dessert
>>59323049It's not a good game in general
>>59325248kek
>>59325345>3 games of the same developer>4 of the same publisher
>>59328637>the developer can choose to make a good looking game but simply chose not toJust makes it all the more sad.
>>59327700KEK
>>59328266NTA, but I agree that Tajiri was just a better developer/designer/etc than Masuda will ever be, even at his most constrained, the older games always had a way of just being pleasing to experience projects with a lot of delicate and meaningful care. Everytime Masada gets his way and had a major hand in something, it’s always shit and needs to be heavily rained in by the rest of the team, usually in the sequel. I think at this point, nobody even cares (got tired, left, whatever) and just let the games go to the shit with whatever nonsensical or stupid directives given by Masuda or TPC
>>59328725Omega Based.
