I feel like Wally is the most forgettable rival in the series. People tend to talk a lot about the gen 1-2 and 4-5 ones (which are usually liked), they talk about how forgettable the gen 6 ones are, and for 7+ they like to talk about how shitty they are and how they're not even rivals anymore. But most people really don't give a shit about Wally.
>>59327186No one likes any rival after Silver
>>59327186The concept for Wally is really solid, it's just that RSE has this weird thing where your rival starts as the opposite-sex player character, then he/she kinda stops around Lilycove City but then you fight Wally almost as a surprise at the end. The concept of a sickly trainer trying his best is cool to overcome all odds, the RS arc in the manga does a good job at grounding Wally's troubles while showing his true potential flourishing in a cool way. It does have one controversial plot point but I feel like they nailed everything else.
>>59327186>only shows up like three times in RSE>women want to fuck Steven, men want May so nobody cares about him>ORAS pandered to waifufags mostly so he gets forgotten more
>>59327186That's because Wally is not a rival.
>>59327186Someone made a Wally thread without me? Based. Love Wally but wish there was more with him.
>>59327195Why are there no good rivals anymore? I don’t want these fags to hold my hand and try not to offend me. I want them to be an asshole like silver so I can kick their shit in
>>59327290Masuda said something like>It's just my opinion, but these type of rival characters aren't popular anymoreWhich obviously isn't true at face value, but you could interpret that he's saying it in terms of broad/mass appeal, in terms of the japanese audience especifically, in terms of keeping the Pokemon brand more positive, etc.
>>59327327Masuda's full of crap. He's been caught lying multiple times. He doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt.
>>59327195Everyone likes Nemona
>>59328651Esto
You can go back into Victory Road from the exit and rebattle Wally every now and then in the post game. That alone made him the most memorable for me.
>>59327186he's not a rivalyou literally fight him ONCE
>>59328651Only for her porn
>>59327195Nobody seems to hate Barry and he is objectively the one with any kind of meaningful in-game character development aside from the ones aging in the sequel and all of a sudden being gym leaders or scientists or some shit.
>>59328651japs are fucking obsessed with the SV rivals.
>>59328719Japan is full of deviants. Their opinion doesn't matter.
>>59327186>Wally is the most forgettable rival in the series.I can't remember the gen iv rival at all. Also Hau did jack shit
>>59327195fpbp
>>59328719Yeah cause they're fucking good.
>>59328708But it's not like he's the only rematchable rivalFor example, Barry's dad runs the Battle Frontier, and you can battle him outside the Battle Frontier
>>59327290At first the kiddies who used to have lower standards just wanted meaner rivals, and now that we grew up, we had bigger issues with the franchise's direction and now even if we got a mean rival like kieran, its not enough to be satisfying
>>59328905Lol manchildren can't handle adversity. The adults in the room can handle a little smacktalk. Nice projecting though zoomie.
Wally wasn't even really a rival character, people didn't think of it that way until after Adventures RS became widespread. He was just some dude that appeared once and then randomly fights you at the end of the game. >>59327214 is pure cope based on a bunch of stuff that came later, like the manga and remakes and even fucking developer notes. Newsflash people! The INTENT of the character or story beats doesn't matter when it's executed in such a flimsy way it's hard to even say they tried executing it. Wally is hardly a character, Gen 3 has next to no story whatsoever, certainly not one that's fleshed out beyond Magma/Aqua. It's not a game where the writing focuses at all on character dynamics, certainly not those of the player character. There's some background, with Norman, but that's about it. Story wise, Brendan/May getting cucked is there but it was so unclear they added a cutscene in Emerald to make the point. And even there Wally is still a nobody, just a filler character. And no, it isn't "vague and deep if you read for meaning", it literally isn't conveyed whatsoever in the games at all. Especially since the game doesn't allow your character to have a real arc and allow you to lose, the beats are>Catching tutorial>Blocking the gym in Mauville and directing you towards Verdanturf which you might otherwise miss>giving you Surf TM but actually that's generic NPC uncle and actually Wally is such a nobody in player's minds that they had to railroad you to this in Emerald since so many people got stuck>dozens of hours later Wally finally shows back up as a "complete trainer" or something and has a bunch of dialogue because we definitely care about this dude for sure>but his team of shitmons jobs instantly and he's never seen againIt's retarded.
Wally isn't well done at all because Pokemon had shit writing until Gen 5 but the real issue is that pokefags are hopelessly autistic and can't grasp a game concept that isn't fitted to their Gen 1 archetypes. Wally isn't a rival; you fight once. Birch's child is the rival and that progression is pretty clear: you, a rookie, mog them in multiple battles and they go from being upset about it to accepting, realizing that there are alternatives to fighting. Wally is simply another trainer, another showcase of the individual path everyone has to take to become a Master, a way of showing the player that strength comes from friendship with Pokemon, and that finding meaning to life can allow anyone to reach their fullest potential. This isn't illustrated in the game, like at all, but... That was the idea.People complain about this rival bad or that one, but they clearly grew bored of your only contemporary being a rival neighbor type. They still DO them in modern games because rivals are a shounen trope, but notice they're a little more friendly and thoughtful and typically there's other characters in the friend group that present to us different paths? Hell, the BW story of Hilda, Cheren, and Bianca captures the exact dynamic of May, Brendan and Wally but since it's actually got dialogue and characters, it's much more memorable.
