>>59344953
Bad typing
Bad movepools
Bad stats
Bad ability (in the case of the og)

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>>59344984
>Bad typing
Not really, grass/ghost and grass/fighting are grate offensive typing…so it’s confusing why they made them slow
>Bad movepools
Look closer buddy, they have lots of good moves
>Bad stats
Speed
>Bad ability (in the case of the og)
The only thing I agree with

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>>59344953
GEE I REALLY FUCKING WONDER WHY

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Uh…. Incinebros…???

>>59344953
Because they're too hideously ugly to be liked no matter how hard GF and TPC shill them. Their small handful of fans just create an illusion of popularity by botting polls almost as brazenly as Drake bots his streams. They are very similar to Venusaur fans.

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>>59345123
Holy Failed shillmon

>>59345100
>great offensively
Even offensively, they aren’t that great. Especially not Grass/Fighting.
Having 1 mono typing wall both your STABs is already bad enough, as most dual types with that typing wall it, but 2?
Good luck finding an opponent that doesn’t have a single Flying or Poison type, among the many types that resist Grass/Fighting.
There is a reason why after Spore got banned/Amoongus got Spore, Breloom fell off hard and why Verizon never caught on either.

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>>59344953
Grass types are only good in two circumstances:
>Fast, highly offensive Pokemon
See: Kartana, Serperior, Rillaboom, Meowscarada, Ogerpon, Zarude, Celebi
>Bulky supportive Pokemon
See: Amoonguss, Ferrothorn, Whimsicott, Sinistcha, Celebi

The only Grass type to fit neither of those is Breloom, and Breloom has the fastest Spore in the game and enough offensive presence to make you suffer for using a Spore-bait Pokemon.

Decidueye, despite one of its forms sharing the same type and a general stat parity with Breloom, doesn't have Spore so it's not going to be successful.

>>59345133
>rhow hard GF and TPC shill them.
BaraTigerofHeatlhyMeta was the intended shill starter of Alola though. Every single Dark type starter has been the shill starter of its trio
>Greninja
>Incineroar
>Hisuian Samurott
>Meowscarda
Cinderace and Mega Meganium don't have a dark type in their trios

>>59345175
>>Hisuian Samurott
Barely acknowledged by TPC in general

>>59345179
PLA trio as a whole was buried. Hisuain Saumurott is the favorite of of one of TPC's least favorite trios.

>>59345172
Breloom falls into both categories.
If Rillaboom is considered Fast, likely because of Grassy Glide, so should Breloom with Technician Mach Punch.
Likewise it’s supportive with Spore.
Also Rillaboom should be in both categories too with it having Fake Out and Grassy Surge.

Think Prim is bad in doubles award

>>59345100
Neither of those typings are good offensively. Ghost/Grass is potentially good defensively but Decidueye is not a defensive Pokemon
>Look closer buddy, they have lots of good moves
no they don’t
>Speed
And everything else barring Attack on the regional
>The only thing I agree with
If you were smart you’d agree with it all.

>>59344953
Ironically they both had better versions in the same Dex. Base Decidueye gets mogged by Dhelmise and Hisui has to compete with Liligant who comes with Victory Dance

>>59345202
>If Rillaboom is considered Fast, likely because of Grassy Glide, so should Breloom with Technician Mach Punch.
Even after Grassy Glide got nerfed in Gen 9, Rillaboom STILL hits harder with Grassy Glide than Breloom hits with Mach Punch. Before the nerf, it was the single strongest priority move in the history of Pokemon, outdoing even Arceus' Extreme Speed and Yveltal's Sucker Punch.

>>59345242
Same thing happened between Primarina and Tapu Fini. Fini outclasses Primarina in every single way. The only reason Primarina is used more than Fini in Gen 9 is because Game Freak finally gave Primarina a buff that put it above Fini - they put Primarina in the game.

Mixed attackers were a mistake

>>59345123
Decidueye being as popular as it is surprises me. It’s so utterly shit mechanically.

>>59345250
Hype and aura ahh popularity

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>>59345175
>BaraTigerofHeatlhyMeta was the intended shill starter of Alola though
kek

>>59345250
It looks really cool

>>59345179
Wasn’t it the champions shill starter?

>>59345268
That's charizard

>>59345250
It's not even a good design. Easily a bottom 10 fully evolved starter. Transarina and Incelroar are even worse, mind you, but all 3 of them blow.

Gen 7 is probably the least appealing dex of all time. I can scarcely think of a dex that's uglier while still being as useless competitively. There were like... 5 good fully evolved designs and the only good Pokemon competitively (outside of Doubles) were the legendaries. They even had to buff the psuedo-legendary more than they've ever buffed any Pokemon before because they foolishly thought a Dragon/Fighting Pokemon would be useful in any gen with comparatively strong Fairy types.

>>59345179
Hisuian Samurott in the very first Champions trailer tho

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>>59344953
fuck that stupid cunt Primarina and every single piece of shit """""player""""" who uses it you fucking bitch made faggots and your stupid fucking crutch faggot monster- I dont know why this fanbase and its creators are so fucking gay now to allow that stupid piece of shit to have every available move in the game to be able to counter anything it gets thrown its way like holy fucking shit has there been a more annoying mon that literally EVERYONE is fine with just running rampant - but no one sniff of a Zard and every mon has to have a fucking rock move on their team with stealth rock lead and Roar hippowdon


seriously fuck gamefreak Fairy type was a massive mistake and I will never fucking forgive this piece of shit company for ruining pokemon with faggot anthro furry gay shit

>>59345270
no thats been Meowscarada and Primarina. the flaming faggots choice when considering pokemon

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>>59345290
>>59345295
Don’t be a bigot.

>>59345238
>no they don’t
Both forms have spammable 80+ BP moves for both STAB and both attacking stats (Hisuain is a rare fighting type that actaully gets Aura Sphere so it doesn't need to lean on focus miss) , Nasty Plot and Swords Dance set up, Brave Bird/Hurricane for coverage, two types of priority in Sucker Punch and Shadow Sneak, Roost for Healing, and Tailwind for support. And Hisiuan's signature move is literally three moves in one. Its extremely rare for a non-shillmon to have even half of that versatility.

The stats for both forms are a complete shitshow, having the Aslowla curse and Hoenn SFMA syndrome but they have every move they could want.

>>59345250
It's not, but when you're anonymous on the internet, you can make it seem like you're legion.
I say, if it was as popular as people profess it to be on the internet, they wouldn't have put it with the rest the failures of the series (including a slew of genwun animalmons AND the evolution of the series mascot) and gave it a regional form. never mind if it had the kind of popularity Prima had, they wouldn't have made Ash's eat an everstone. But because there was such a gap between Rowlet reception and Decidueye reception (including being considered worst of the Alolabn starters by kids), they knew there would be no issue feeding the cunt one to keep it unevolved and repping the disgustingly popular base stage to continue to sell merch of it.

Because rowlet is more popular and shilled, rowlet ash never evolved

>>59345301
Eh, they shill it in champions somewhat. It shows up on the buttons. But I guess that might not be saying much since Emboar, Meganium, and Feraligatr also show up.

>>59345298
The quality of its moves means fuck all if it can't stay alive long enough to impose its will on a round. and if movesets were the be-all-and-end-all of PvP, doubtless some other actual swiss army knife/four-move-syndrome poké would do what it could far more completely. If they wanted to make it good, they would have. they knew rightly it would be suicide to TRY to push it, so never bothered even paying lip-service (part-Ghost in a land FULL of Dark types...)

>>59345310
Ehh, that's about as relevant as the breeding population of poison dart frogs lad. The vast majority of people will never touch Chamapeons (sic) seriously, because the absolute vast majority of people don't actually give a fuck for pretending to be ash ketchum in a kiddy game series and try to become the vewy bestest like few ever were before. Meaning they see Pikachu, Charizard, Primarina, Cinderace, Meow, Infernape, Blaziken - the actual popular shit presented as so again and again. Then see the regionals and know it's not a "Best and Brightest" scenario. Couldn't be when the Mascot's fat ugly older brother's there along with a literal rat, a horse, dog and fox show a ball of poison etc, etc, etc that's all been dismissed by normal cunts over the last 30 years.

>>59345175
>Cinderace used Sucker Punch!
>Cinderace's Libero
>Cinderace's type changed to Dark
:)

>>59345328
>e absolute vast majority of people don't actually give a fuck for pretending to be ash ketchum in a kiddy game series and try to become the vewy bestest
if the vast majority of people don't care, why are all the shillmons and super saiyan shill forms overpowered?

>Decidueye’s poll numbers are always botted guys, I swear!
>throwing Primarina alongside fucking Charizard and Pikachu
I don’t particularly think Decidueye is that well-designed but if you think everything is always against you then you might have schizophrenic tendencies.

>>59345250
it's the only archer in the entire franchise. primarina and incineroar share concepts with many other pokemon, decidueye doesn't. it's going to get a solid popularity bump from that alone, since every archerfag is going to be naturally drawn to it by virtue of being the only option.

>>59344953
Because triple arrows doesn't have priority. It fixes them overnight

>>59345387
Because they can self-insert into the MC of the game and have their furry best buddy pocket rocket still anon. I mean, I give negative shits for multiplayer in most any game I perceive as "single player". Few exceptions, as always with humans (Team Fortress 2, Splatoon, buggering around in various Borderlands games) and ignored Pokémon's from the day dot because there was one other 15 year old in my year who had the game and while I knew a few watched the cartoon, couldn't guarantee the other Game Boy owners (in the years of the Playstation 1's rise to prominence) A) gave a shit for their game boys any longer and B) gave a shit for the games. I treat every game as if I'm Dr. Beckett in Quantum Leap and I'm jumping through time and space into these kids' bodies to help keep the universe running as it should. That includes setting abominations of every natural law in OUR universe onto any and all threats to ensure the sanctity of the pokémon universe.

Is it just me, or do these threads always have this one autist who writes essays for every response he makes? Surely I’m venturing into schizo territory.

>>59345563
Autists? On 4chan.org? Perish the thought.

>>59345301
It was in the Switch version of Pokken

>>59345563
it's one schizo who really really hated decidueye, typhlosion and samurott and was shitposting about them for years until PLA decided to drop all three as their starters with new forms so he got mindbroken into being like this ever since

>>59345250
This might sound stupid but Decidueye is probably my favorite designed starter. Not only is it an archer which you rarely see, but also it gives a badass vibe to me. It might have to do with the Spirit Shackle animation and how Decidiueye's animations in Pokken were I would assume why I get that vibe.

>>59345645
Yes, which failed three separate times, including failing despite launching a year before the biggest multiplayer character fighter on Nintendo systems launched (while Switch itself was selling heavens hjard and all other WiiU ports to Switch sold markedly higher sales figures than garnered on WiiU). Again, popularity means more than appearing on a dead-on-arrival fighter because the causal demographic of Pokémon isn't into niche character fighter games and the niche character fighter games crew aren't anyway near into a tekken re-skin. And it didn't get that.

>>59345651
I don’t think this particular autist has said anything about Typhlosion or Samurott, but maybe I haven’t paid enough attention.

remove fairy type from the games

>>59345718
Nah

>>59345724
yes. completely ruined the games forever and pandered to faggots and women

>>59345726
Nah it didn't

>>59345729
yes it did

>>59345739
Wrong

>>59345705
I haven't, I like both of them, despite their reception among the fanbase. And despite what sensitive wittle snowflakes think, I don't hate decidueye. I don't hate any pokémon, but there are a LARGE majority of the 1000 or so creations I disregard, of which it is one of them. Hazards of being a bad grass starter, I'll pick up a vileplume or victreebel as coverage if really needed than pick a grass starter pre gen 9 and Meow (amazing what they can do with a grass starter when they WANT it to be the best of the bunch and pick of the Gen).

>>59345741
no u

>>59345106
104 is a wet noodle

>>59345756
Concession accepted

>>59344953
Because they are Chud Birds

>>59345743
I thought as much. What’s your favorite starter?

>>59345794
Even split between 'Zard, Typhlosion, Delphox and Primarina, why? What does your cereal box psychology doctorate tell you about me?
You want what starters I picked, all Fire types, except for Primarina and Meowscarada (and that was because they actually made GOOD water and grass starters, on top of them being a waifumon pick). Again levels though, picked Meow but doesn't reach the top tier in my favourites tree, despite loving it to bits for its anims and pure outright strength in my playthroughs. Much like dog-based designs, cats based ones aren't exactly high on my "want to fuck fictional furry monsters" list. Too domesticated.

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>>59345238
>Neither of those typings are good offensively. Ghost/Grass is potentially good defensively but Decidueye is not a defensive Pokemon
>Even offensively, they aren’t that great. Especially not Grass/Fighting
You do both realize Grass/ghost hits more types for neutral damage than both fire/fighting and water/fighting, right? And in hisidueye’s case, it has scrappy 99% of the times so it hits far more then the type chart shows the problem is they’re both too slow to capitalize on those type match ups. And being hard walled by just 2 types while you have 5 other mons to cover for them isn’t the end of the world

>>59345836
Just curious.
>Delphox
Based.

>>59345764
cope tranny

>>59345836
>Delphox
>Primarina
>Meowscarada
holy trinity of trannymons, I know what you are

>>59345918
Arrest cucko

>>59345922
Define "trannymon"

Uh oh! chapjeet found the thread!

>>59345922
He’s a waifufag.

>>59345922
>projecting
>"muh gaemmechanix" sperg to boot
Nah, perfectly happy being male this almost 43 years, looking forward to spending whatever's afforded to me as same. I'm n0ot mentally disabled like the types of kids who think gender ratios are anything but a mechanic, when the "trannymons" she sees have never once been presented as a male in official media.
>>59345890
Perfect storm really. Maid Marian was my furry awakening wanted a non legend/myth/gimmick Fire/Psychic pokémon. BANG, Pokémon Maid Marian with ESP and a hot streak (both senses).

>>59345958
Yeah, but at the same point, barring fire default picks (meaning I would likely have picked the waifumon fire type regardless) the starter has to be good (prima wasn't quick, but fuck me that sp attk/def and typings and Meow's fast strong and crits like fuck). Granted we've only had one for each type right now, but if the next one up is underwhelming, I'll likely go fire and fill out team comp elsewhere. I hope they don't utterly drag out 1st and final evo stage reveals.

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>>59345138
IncineGODS aren't braindead consoomers, so why would we blow money on Amiibos? They're a scam.

>>59345563
It's an extremely autistic British freak, who probably voted for Starmer (or even worse, the Greens), shilling 24/7 for nu-Pokemon.

>>59345993
>confidently incorrect
Doing so would be a violation of UK voting laws and subject me to a stay at her majesty's pleasure. And seeing as my own lot ain't locked me up yet, I ain't giving the UK cunts, any the shitheads or sujugated, any sniff of shackling me.

>>59345993
How do you know?

>>59346044
It doesn't it's regurgitating a fanfic some other sperg wrote about me, to try and annoy me away from pointing out (and being correct) how Pokémon pitches at normalfags vs how /vp/ spergs wish it to be so.
Problem both kids have is I cut my teeth on the wild west internet, comparatively speaking and became desensitised to people with little tangible way to affect their surroundings verbally unloading at me. So the kind of shit that cuts them to the bone don't even bruise me, even though they do love throwing it at me.

>>59345979
This thing flopped so hard

>>59345718
Meds

>>59344953
And here I thought this was gonna be a Browt thread

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>>59344953
OG Decidueye is the people's champion

>>59344953
they are just really bad at making strong Grass types. You get either a gimmick that falls off hard like Meganium, fucking cancer like Rillaboom. The only truly successful one is Venusaur

>>59344953
Man I hate primarina so much

>>59347408
Never understood the Luxray obsession

>>59349742
Turns out people sometimes like cartoon animals when they’re not starters. Go figure.

>>59345138
Nobody actually likes Incelroar, they just begrudgingly use it because it's so minmaxed for VGC that you're practically required to include it in every team.

>>59349764
Infernape is just a Cartoon Monkey cosplaying Goku and its beloved by fans. Only behind CHARIZARD and Blaziken

>>59349828
>Nobody actually likes Incelroar
And other fantastic lies spewed by owlfagss still seething they lost a culture war 10 years ago.

>>59345757
only by nu-gen powercreep standards

>>59351562
Alakazam has a bigger special attack and more minmaxed stats than most "Nugen" pokemon

Maybe because Decidueye is a slow motherfucker.

>>59349828
Incineroar is like Blastoise: loved by normal people IRL, hated by autistic grassfags online who can't accept reality.

>>59351848
>Incineroar is like Blastoise: loved by normal people IRL
PFFFFFFFFTHAHAHAAHAHA, only barafags like this abomination

>>59351848
complete opposite reality

>>59351575
Would be a top tier threat if it had a better type (like fairy or dark)

>>59351908
cope

>>59351575
Gen 1 is full of exceptions due to how rampant Kanto shilling is

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>>59351908
>>59351931
Exhibits A and B. I rest my case.

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>>59344953
i love the smell of seething owlfag in the morning
>incineroar is a SHILLMON
decidueye was literally made to be one, but gained popularity only among redditors and non-competitivefags (untermensch) and other spergs who try to "be not like everyone else" Seriously, its a common take I heard from its fans kek. Owl is overdesigned and made to look KEWL, with literaly hoodie and DARK LORE UOOOOOOOH
meanwhile tiger wins by just being GOOD. owlfags are retards who hate things only because they are good. Personally, I'm a cat person, so Incineroar is my forever choice

>>59353028
Decidueye was literally designed to appeal to tumblr and reddit, that's why it looks like a Stephen's Universe, Undertale, or Owl House character, not a Pokemon. Incineroar and Primarina were made for the chads, stacies, and patricians. That's why they're more popular in the real world, real popularity that can't be botted online. Simple as.

>Personally, I'm a cat person
nice self own retard

I have serious doubts any of the gen 7 starters are popular to people who aren’t terminally online

>>59353044
This lol

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>>59353038
i'd said more to appeal to sonicfags, they love edge. also incineroar is a wrestler tiger, just like picrel

>>59353028
Why would GF make a shillmon a slow frail mixed attacker? When they shilled Greninja, Cinderace and Meowscarada they gave them high speed to use their offense well and a good ability in Protean. By this logic Decidueye would've got either a much higher speed, more bulk on the physical side as a counterpart to Primarina's anti-special niche or a priority ability instead of long range being what it is
Also lol glasses grandma

>>59353379
>Why would GF make a shillmon a slow frail mixed attacker?
Blaziken

>>59353386
that was before there were true shill starters. Before then, Game Freak loved entire trios (KANTOOOO, Hoenn, Sinnoh), and hated entire trios (Johto, Unova). There were favorites (CHARIZARD, and Blaziken) but the gap between them and the other two in their trios wasn't that much so there was no reason to make the favorite broken. Note that as son a shill starters became a thing in Gen 6, Blaziken and Charizard became broken with their megas (techcanilly blaziken a bit before with Speed boost which was just before the shill starter trend).

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>>59353379
is that your best asspull nigger? you don't get the comma faggot owlfuck is an obvious coolmon, coolmons get shilled through anime and merch, like zeraora and zoroark. both are utter shit and liked only by chuuni retards who make donutsteels and don't play the games despite claiming that gen 5 is the best gen in series. owlfuck wears a fucking hoodie with its hood up that covers its face with LE SHADOW kids love this, see roblox it shoots a bow made out of its wing and its signature called fucking SPIRIT SHACKLE. its edgy, but meh. its fans are edgy and yet Incineroar is a cool ass tiger, its slow, its a mixed attacker, but its HA, movepool and type made it good. Incineroar DESERVES it, it has LEGAL feats. It wasn't made to appeal twittertards, people used to hate him for being bipedal bara shit, but its good. Incineroar is very fucking good, awesome and its a tiger. And tigers are FUCKING AWESOME.
owlfuck dex entry:
>Although basically cool and cautious, when it’s caught by surprise, it’s seized by panic.
its a FRAUD
Incineroar dex entry:
>Although it’s rough mannered and egotistical, it finds beating down unworthy opponents boring. It gets motivated for stronger opponents.
>Incineroar’s rough and aggressive behavior is its most notable trait, but the way it helps out small Pokémon shows that it has a kind side as well.
CHAD, ANTI-HERO, ROUGE WITH THE HEART OF GOLD
also, female incineroars are snu-snu core, think about it

>>59353464
If Decidieye is made to be shilled why replace it with a regional form instead of giving it a mega like actual shillmons .

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>>59353468
>If Decidieye is made to be shilled why [HEADCANON]

Mixed attackers were a mistake

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>>59344953
I'm still mad

>>59353481
It’s hilarious how bad its stats are after Incineroar is basically more minmaxed Swampert and Primarina got given one of the most broken typings in the game and enough special attack to abuse it.

>>59345307
The fact that his Rowlet defeated a Decidueye was just embarrassing.

>>59353470
Where are the regionals form for starters that matter like Kanto, and Hoenn, then?

Spirit Shackle should gain the priority conditions of Pursuit. It still wouldn't fix meme owl but it would put him on the board for having a niche

>>59353499
And it was so unrealistic and dumb that everyone hated that episode. No joke, it got so much backlash that the writers were given death threats

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>>59344953
I mean he's at least better than those two in Pocket

>>59353514
I remembered some seething on /padt/ but didn't realize it was that bad lol.

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>>59353502
charizard got three gimmick forms, other kanto starters two, hoenn got megas only, but its a matter of time they will get them, c'mon, another legends game is in development, there's little room to choose now kek

>>59353518
>The secret side of me, I never let you see
>I keep it caged, but I can't control it
>So stay away from me, the beast is ugly
>I feel the rage, and I just can't hold it
>It's scratching on the walls (In the closet, in the halls)
>It comes awake, and I can't control it
>Hiding under the bed (In my body, in my head)
>Why won't somebody come and save me from this? Make it end

>I feel it deep within, it's just beneath the skin
>I must confess that I feel like a monster
>I hate what I've become, the nightmare's just begun
>I must confess that I feel like a monster

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>>59353518
P-P-PIERCE THE PAIN

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>>59353506
Been saying this for a long time but I think they removed pursuit because they couldn’t program it right so I don’t think they’ll bring an even stronger version.
I still like the idea of a super trap move that doesn’t allow U-turn or parting-shot or even other ghost types to escape(even after Decidueye switches out) its like a intimidate spam killer to counter Incin the same way Incin has throat chop to stop Prima noise moves. It sounds small but trust me this small improvement would make Decidueye deceptively broken. You trap a Pokemon in forever and swap into a Pokemon that you can easily set up on it in the back and since they can’t escape means the game is over right there. It would definitely justify the trash stats

>>59344953
Horrible defensive typing

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>gets a third ability
>Challenger
>Boosts the attack of all Fighting-type Pokemon that enter the battle but they also can not escape.

>>59353386
>literally has speed boost

>>59353593
Not in gen 3
Back then mixed attackers were actually decent due to pre-split mechanics, and Blaziken had both physical and special STAB so he could answer SkarmBliss, but it was more of a dedicated wallbreaker at a time when it was way easier to do so

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To give an idea on how broken super trap would work picture this;

>Decidueye is sent out!
>Incineroar is sent out!
>Decidueye used Spiritshackles!
>Incineraor is forever trapped*
>Incineroar used flareblitz!
>focus sash activates
>Decidueye uses feather dance
>Incineroar used throat chop
>Decidueye fainted
Now…

Send out Azumarill, Blaziken, Palafin, Milotic, any set up mon and profit*

The niche of all niches. Not sure if it would be that good in doubles but he might be on the list if potential banned starters in OU

>>59345250
People don't choose their favorite Pokémon according to how good they are in veggie sea

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>>59353617
>niche copium
being niche doesn't makes it good

>>59353624
And a small niche is still better than whatever we have now so I’ll take it.

>>59344953
And the award for most annoying fanbase goes to...

I don't know anyone that likes Inshiteroar outside of Barafags

>>59353695
In this day and age? The seal.

>>59353875
What do sealfags even do?

>>59353379
>Why would GF make a shillmon a slow frail mixed attacker?
I love how this is always touted as some open-and-shut rebuttal to Decidueye being the shillmon, as if Charizard isn't the biggest shillmon of all time while jobbing to pebbles and having Meganium-tier shit stats in gen 1.
Remember, Game Freak are retards when it comes to game design. It is entirely feasible for them to screw up and make it so a Pokemon they want to shill is shit to actually play as.

>>59353468
>If Decidueye is made to be shilled why give him even more extra content that the better, more popular starters didn't get?
Is this a serious question?

>>59353978
Honestly, it’s more of a combination between them and the hatebase.

>>59353978
Jerk off to primarina porn