This is the nail in the coffin for the franchise as a whole.
>>59361713I just played this game and had lots of fun :)
OP here, meant to post this instead
>>59361725This so HARD
>>59361713>>59361725Actually, this was the nail in the coffin for pokeslop. SwShit lost. ScatVomit lost. WinWav will be kusoge on arrival.
>>59361713its been sixteen years, and the franchise is as lucrative as ever.>>59361725same as before, but thirteen years
Regardless of what people post, none of these are nails, there is no coffin, and life and Pokemon goes on.
>>59361713>first games not featured in Japan, marked the series' descent into globohomo nonsense when heavily Japanese-influenced regions are what GF does best (Johto, Sinnoh, Kitakami)>first mainline game that's completely linear, previous games "opened up" after a certain point (Kanto with Celadon, Johto with Ecruteak, Hoenn with Mauville, Sinnoh with Veilstone)>a regional dex that's just SO good they force you to only use Unova mons, both in the mainline BW and spinoff Mystery DungeonStill not as bad as the 3D games, but BW had a bunch of red flags
>>59361743Sales=/=quality. They changed the design philosophy with XY and started implementing planned obsolecense right into the core design by forcing people to pay for transfers and locking them to a cloud based service they can kill anytime they want. Since XY they've done everything in their power to alienate the hardcore audience and increase anti-consumer business practices as if they hadn't already built their empire on selling the same game twice for every major new release/remake. Just because normalfags eat it up and defend it with their lives doesn't mean it's good. It just means it's popular, just like Taylor Swift and Fortnite. The masses love eating slop and Game Freak figured out that they don't need to try anymore because their spineless audience will buy anything they make without question.
>>59361773>thing bw started>um actually xy started thisGet some new material.
>>59361773>Taylor Swift and FortniteBoth are literally great thougheverbiet. Stop being a basement dwelling incel chud.
>>59361773>and started implementing planned obsolecense right into the core design
>>59361773>it doesn't count because it's popularSomeone really needs to sit you down and explain despite the numerical deficiency BW suffered compared to RS, DP, XY and SM, it WAS in fact still popular. But unlike Tay-tay, it didn't feel the need to grow with its fanbase the way she inevitably did with hers, due to being a person not a video game concept.
>>59361773>Sales=/=qualitySeething like a retard that a franchise is dead =/= quality
>>59361773>locking them to a cloud based service they can kill anytime they wantOn paper yes, but the service never stopped working or deleted mons.Plus anyone who tried to transfer mons from gen 3 to 4, or from gen 4 to 5 knows that the Pokemon Bank and Pokemon Home are unironically way more convenient, faster and quicker to use because it didn't have time limits or mini games to slow down your transfers. It was also not limited to certain editions of DS either.
>>59361779>>59361822Firstly, 3 bullets, Kojo. Never forget that this board hates you and wants you dead.Secondly, Dream World's features don't impact connectivity with other games. I can still transfer pokemon from Gen 4 to Gen 5 for free to this day, and 50 years down the line too. I'm not gonna deny that it's unfortunate that it doesn't exist anymore and there's no fanmade equivalent like PokeClassic network for battles and trades online, but the Dream World's features don't make a significant impact on the game, unlike Bank. Once Bank goes down, you won't be able to legitimately obtain certain pokemon in Gen 6, you can't transfer from Gen 5 to 6, or from 6 to 7, and you can't transfer from 6 or 7 to 8 or 9. The 3DS is the breaking point for one of the series' most longtime-player friendly features that rewards players for keeping up with the series. Bank was also a paid service that ran concurrently with another paid service that does the same thing but for switch (If you paid for every year of Bank before it went free, it was $45 which is more than the retail price of the actual games) where Dream World was completely free with your PGL sign up. The impact of Dream World's shutdown is significantly smaller than Bank's inevitable shutdown. Go finish your dogshit autism spectrum fangame you flaming fag.
>>59361923>Firstly (eceleb obsessing)Based!
>>59361923>Secondly, Dream World's features don't impact connectivity with other gamesNeither do any of XY's features. What's your point?
>>59361901I have a complete main series collection and every model of DS. If you're a dumb newgen or secondary who wasn't upgrading consoles and picking up new releases as they came out then you shouldn't even be concerned with transfers. The whole point of transfers is to reward returning players by allowing them to use their old pokemon in their new game as long as you weren't the type of retard to trade in all your shit to GameStop the moment something new dropped. This isn't a problem for people who were taught how to save money as a kid. Actual minigames that give character to the transfer process being turned into menus is utterly soulless. It doesn't matter how "convenient" bank is, because ultimately it has an expiration date that even TPCi has acknowledged when they told people to move up pokemon at their earliest convenience when the service went free with the closure of the eShop. Bottom line is that when Bank dies, I'll still be able to get pokemon from Ruby and Sapphire into Black 2 and White 2 in minutes. Time limit is only in DPP too, HGSS has no time limit.
>>59361963>Bank shutting down doesn't impact connectivity with other gamesFucking hang yourself, Kojo.
>>59361990Pokemon XY isn't Pokemon Bank, retard-kun.
>>59361923>Secondly, Dream World's features don't impact connectivity with other gamesyeah instead it just impacts the game's own content because they were too lazy to implement it lmfao
>>59361929Not eceleb obsessing if I'm literally replying to you. Your posting style is so recognizable and the fact you think you can still hide behind anonymity on here is laughable when you post all the same bullshit on all your platforms and write the exact same way. We all know exactly who you are, and your attempts to try and act like you're someone else are pathetic. Rope, NOW
>>59361990But Bank isn't shut down. What's your point?
>>59361994And Dream World isn't Pokemon Black and White.
>>59362011Yes it is. It's directly referenced in the game and you explicitly need it to use features in the game.
>>59362006Bank isn't shut down *yet* you fucking retard. It's a cloud based online service stuck on a piece of Nintendo hardware 2 generations behind where we are currently. Every other online feature for the system is defunct, and official Xitter accounts are saying to transfer at your earliest convenience, basically inferring that they're gonna shut it down eventually. Read the writing on the wall.
>>59362026>Bank isn't shut down *yet*So you're screeching about nothing and Gen 5 was actually the first gen with planned obsolecense right into the core design. Good to know.
>>59362016No it isn't. It's a separate service with its own features that aren't at all necessary for connecting BW to other games. The only thing you can do in Dream World that isn't in the actual game is growing berries. The only berries that are completely unobtainable without Dream World are functionally useless in Gen 5 since they're either for making poffins or pokeblocks, the Cornn, Magost, Rabuta, Nomel, Spelon, Pamtre, Watmel, Durin, and Belue berries, or they have no practical use in game like Jaboca, Custap, Micle, and Enigma berries. Every other berry is obtainable in a repeatable capacity through normal gameplay.Eat shit, Kojo.
>>59362060>No it isn't
>>59362027Everything from Gen 5 still functions as intended to this day with the only things missing being Hidden Ability mons and 14 berries with no practical use in game. Gen 6 is about to sever the link from the GBA to today's games. Gen 6 introduced planned obsolecense no matter how much you try and push your retarded narrative Kojo. Go finish pokemon autism spectrum and get off our board.
don't worry OP i got the joke that gen 5 has a coffin pokemon
>>59362070>Everything from Gen 5 still functions as intended to this daySo how do I berry farm?
>>59362002I'm on your side bro. I think it's awesome how every time you get upset over pokemon arguments you bring up some youtuber.
>>59362070>Everything from Gen 5 still functions as intended to this daySame with Gen 6. What's your point?
>>59362060>berries that are completely unobtainableWhy can't you just accept that lots of people liked using and growing their own berries?
>>59362069What is this even supposed to mean Kojo, you aren't making coherent sense here. One tie-in character means that Dream World=BW?? By your own logic that means SM=Dream Radar, right? Or that the Manaphy egg actually means Ranger=DP?? I knew you were fucking retarded Kojo, but this is a new low even for you.
>>59362121>i-it's not part of the game>th-that entire character who exists for that part of the game? th-th-that doesn't count wh-what does that mean boogieman-sama
>>59362118Still entirely possible in BW, just not for 14 berries that are literally useless in the context of BW because their main tie-in features not being in the game, or just having bad in-battle effects. Everything else like the EV resetting berries, the ones that reduce SE damage, the ones that heal status/HP, and the ones that heal 1/3rd based on the mon's nature are all obtainable repeatably just like you could if you were farming them, now without having to babysit the plant to maximize your ROI.
>>59362152>Still entirely possible in BW, just not for 14 berries it's not entirely possible for
>>59362152>or just having bad in-battle effectsWhy is that relevant? There are tons of things in the games with bad battle effects that even you probably like.
>>59362131>entire character>seen one time in the game and never appears again>doesn't even appear when using the feature they're meant to represent>still pretending you're someone else>doesn't address the argument in the postLooks like you're cornered, Kojo. The fact I have to share my air with you disgusts me.
>>59362174>>seen one time in the gameThanks for admitting that it's part of the game.
>>59362174>>doesn't even appear when using the feature they're meant to representWhy lie, sagie?
>>59362164It's relevant because they serve no practical purpose. This is like like bitching about Def Leppard not having a second drummer, what would these useless items add to the game?
>>59362181Give him a break, it's not his fault that he never actually played the feature that Game Freak planned to be obsolete.
>>59362155Whatever will you do without the extra P500 from selling that spelon berry. Unplayable!
>>59361713>>59361725Both of these are fun
>>59362195Glad we agree it's not entirely possible and gen 5 is incomplete from planned obsolecense.
>>59362181>>59362191>Kojo already started samefaggingGrim
>>59362221>Sagefag already ran out of argumentsGrim
>>59362181Again, by your logic Dream Radar is part of SM.>sagieLmao, classic Kojo. >>59362191Samefagging doesn't make you right either and is just another sign of your desperation. I accept your concession.
>>59362186What is a practical purpose to you if something like a lansat berry has none? I'm not saying it's great but it's a fun item to use sometimes.
>>59362078Never was in the game itself, that was a separate service.
>>59362234>Again, by your logic Dream Radar is part of SMNo, because the dream radar isn't referenced directly anywhere in the game. Try again, sagefag.>I-I SAID YOU CONCEDED SO THAT MEANS I WON!!!This is pathetic, sagefag.
>>59362242But I used to be able to berry farm using Game Sync. Why can't I do that anymore? Did they plan it to be obsolete or something?
>>59362239Lansat Berry is actually completely obtainable in Gen 5, but a practical purpose is an effect that actually makes a significant difference to the gameplay. The majority of the dream world exclusive berries exist only to be sold to the Gourmet Maniac. The Jaboca, Rowap, Custap, Micle, and Enigma berries all have unreliable effects that just aren't as useful as other berries you can actually obtain in-game like the pinch berries or EV reset berries. Their purpose is so niche that at best they're a neat gimmick and at worst they're completely useless. You won't be seeing any of these online because their effects have so little impact on the battle that it's a waste of an item slot.
>>59362244>dream radar never referenced in SM>e-except that part, that doesn't count!Not a fan when your own brown retard logic is used against you, huh Kojo? Let me remind you, 3 bullets.
>>59362263Weird, because that couldn't have happened. You actually had to log on to a different service on a different device to access berry farming, it was never actually in the DS game. Leave it to a brownoid like Kojo to argue dishonestly
>>59362266>>e-except that part,There is no "except that part". It's never referenced period.
>>59362284Except it was you braindead nignog
>>59362287Except it wasn't, sagefag. If you play SM with no knowledge on any games you'll have no idea it exists. Meanwhile BW has this entire character who exists to shill a feature that won't even work if you try it.
>>59362295What a shit argument>I-it's not a reference despite literally being the same character. I-if you d-don't know the reference you won't get it so it doesn't count!!>meanwhile SM has this entire character who exists to shill another game you can't even download if you try it.Don't you have to go chimp out over Karmelo Anthony, Kojo? Or finish your shitty pokemon autism spectrum fangame? Or maybe you can hop off the net and go play with your faggy toys. Maybe if you argue in bad faith hard enough your dad will come back with the milk, and maybe you can get your whore mother out of section 8. Or maybe you're just embarrassing yourself publicly online on a platform where everyone knows you despite your samefagging and trying to hide.
>>59362345>>I-it's not a referenceCorrect. Got any other arguments, sagefag?
>>59362349>so assblasted he can't even acknowledge the bulk of the post.I accept your concession, Kojo. Make like Jazz in Michael Bay transformers and fucking die already.
>>59362363>I-I SAID YOU CONCEDED SO THAT MEANS I WON!!!This is pathetic, sagefag.
>sagie isn't even denying that BW was planned to be obsolete anymore, now he's just crying about gen 7kek
>>59362369Considering you're trying to argue Burnet's presence in SM isn't a reference to Dream Radar, I might as well have assraped you to death. I accept your concession.
>>59362345>dream radar can't be downloaded anymore>meaning you have no way of obtaining the therian forms in BW2 holy shit gen 5 has even worse planned obsolecense than I thought
>>59362380>Burnet's presence in SM isn't a reference to Dream RadarCorrect.
>>59362388>It's correct b-because... b-because I said!!!Not how that works faggot. I accept your concession.
>>59362394>Not how that works faggotIt's exactly how it works.>If you play SM with no knowledge on any games you'll have no idea it exists. Meanwhile BW has this entire character who exists to shill a feature that won't even work if you try it.
>>59361768The biggest red flag for me is its revisionist history. BW introduced a portion of the people that are even more autistic than before (see: the entire thread). Because they were the first time Game Freak was making a "mature" take on the franchise, without even trying to tackle serious subjects this game wants you to believe it has. Yet the fanbase eat it up like it was the first time that does this, due to they never have real story experiences.That one scene where some Plasma Grunts bumping on Munna is so tone-deaf and over the top in comparison to Cubone's arc from Yellow. The whole arc had proper build-up and didn't trivialize its death by showing in-game sprites of some Rocket grunt bumping Marowak. Because Team Rocket has always been the villains since Mt. Moon and the writers want you to take them seriously.The writers in BW want you to think Team Plasma are "morally grey" to make a room for a retarded plot twist. But the fucking moment where they show this Munna scene, it should have been the dead giveaway, yet the writers insist on such "nuance" up to E4. The games always had B-tier writing, I'm not saying that RBY had an amazing story, but BW had the worst offense because the story wants you to believe it has depth, but almost none of them throw punches at you when it comes to serious subjects, like every Pokemon game since Ruby. The Gameboy games show you the ghost of the dead mother and have implications of murder. The first games made in primitive technology from 30 years ago have more "mature" themes than the recent titles made in high-tech. Because Masuda is a hack, and Ohmori is his protégé in his bullshit artist class. I can go on, but mods dropped the limit to 2000 words so fuck you hiroshimoot.
>>59362399That logic just doesn't hold lmao. Just because your societal leech whore of a mother was on welfare too busy working the corner and too poor to buy you dream radar doesn't mean burnet's appearance in SM isn't a direct reference to it. It just means that you were an ill informed retard. What's hilarious is that through this information you've given me I think I've cracked the code. I know exactly why you argue the same retarded points across the entire internet. You fucking started playing pokemon with X and Y. It would explain why you had no prior knowledge or Burnet before SM, and it explains why you try and argue the Dream World so hard, because you were never around for when it was actually live. You read the discourse online and see that the general opinion is that the games you started with killed the series and the last time the games were good was right before you started playing and you got bitter that nobody else but literal chikdren like you liked those garbage games. That's why Pokemon Autism Spectrum looks like a Gen 5 knockoff. You're just a fucking newgen arguing in bad faith to shift the narrative and it fails horribly every time. You're literally too young to remember when pokemon was actually good lmao. I figured you out. 3 bullets, I accept your concession. Go back to Xitter, faggot.
>>59362264>a practical purpose is an effect that actually makes a significant difference to the gameplayIf you think things like focus energy or blaze are useless and serve no purpose then I'm going to just call you a retard and move on from this.
>>59362417Marowak mini-arc doesn't anything special over other games, bunch of other games have burial sites and Ghost-type pokedexes have the same energy as the Marowak mini-arc in general. They're all doing this "creepy concept around death but not showing you on-screen".
>>59362488*have
>>59362488I'm talking about the difference in tone, but fair enough.
>>59362460Focus Energy and Blaze are valuable assets, just not as a one time use consumable held item.
>>59362435>That logic just doesn't holdYes it does.>>59361768>Still not as bad as the 3D games,True. It's worse.
>>59361713Because they'll never make a game as good as it again?
Japanese text looks so much better in this game specifically. The graphic design is cool and sharp looking. It made Unova feel high tech or something.
>>59362599>yuh huhNuh uh. I accept your concession.
>>59362621The menus still feel high tech in general, like the pokemon summary screens or the bottom screen during battle.
Can yawnfag explain this?https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Medal_(X_and_Y)https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Medal_(Omega_Ruby_and_Alpha_Sapphire)
>>59362662>I-I SAID YOU CONCEDED SO THAT MEANS I WON!!!This is pathetic, sagefag.
>>59362720Can a yawnfag explain why bw has no ribbons
>>59362749Because GF is lazy, glad we agree both BW and XY are slop.
>>59362720>Can yawnfag explain this?
>>59362775But they were in-game content in BW2.If yawnie is mad about berries being in DW, then he should be mad at this as well
>>59362785>But they were in-game content in BW2Because Gen 5 lazily didn't have ribbons. XY added back ribbons, so there was no reason to add an objectively worse version of ribbons.
Some people will cry over ribbons like they make or break the game when they invested like 5 minutes in gen 3 contests and 5 minutes in gen 4 contests lol
>>59362818>th-that feature gen 5 doesn't have doesn't matter, actuallywowee zowee where have I seen this tactic before
>other game did this bad thing tooIt's almost like gen 5 took the worst of every other game judging by how it gets defended on this board.
>>59362831>noooooo I totally care about this stupid nonsense nobody likes it's totally a dealbreakerare you whining about not having musicals or pokestar studios in any non-unova game too?
>>59363343>are you whining about not having [contests but worse] in any non-unova game too?
>>59363398>th-that feature gen 6/7/8/9 doesn't have doesn't matter, actuallywowee zowee where have I seen this tactic before
>>59363401>>th-that feature gen 6/7/8/9 doesn't have doesn't matter,No, because they have the same feature but better. Find a better tactic, sagefag.
>>59363403Gens 6, 7, 8, and 9 have "musicals and pokestar studios but better"? Where?
>>59363406Contests. Find a better tactic, sagefag.
>>59363408Where are they in gens 7 8 and 9 then...????also I'm not even saging the thread wtf are you talking about
>b-b-but gen 7!Glad we agree gen 5 is the first gen to implement planned obsolecense right into the core design.
>>59363421oh come on you're not even trying, this is just boring
>>59363435We agree on gen 5 being the first gen to implement planned obsolecense right into the core design. Why would I need to try?
>>59363480falsehoods scurry from your gullet like rats from the light
>>59363782What falsehood? You already established that gen 5 was the first gen to implement planned obsolecense right into the core design.
>>59361725spbp
>59362078Buy them from Join Avenue, tardo.It's the same thing, except not locked behind a retardedly useless time waste.
>>59364458>It's the same thing except soullessYes, we know.
>>59364465>>It's the same thing except it's in gen 5 so i have to pretend it's badftfy
>>59361781You need to be 18 to be on this site.
>>59364469Gen 5 did good things. Berries are not one of them. I don't know why you fags need every part of the games you like to be uncriticizable.
>>59361923"this was the final nail in the coffin" implies that everything else afterward was also shit, something koyawnie infamously does not believeyou're being schizo. more than one person doesn't like unova
because it was the last game on the ds?yeah
>>59364489nigga fuck berries
>>59361847>Someone really needs to sit you down and explain despite the numerical deficiency BW suffered compared to RS, DP, XY and SM, it WAS in fact still popular.People at the time thought the 2D formula was getting old and were clamoring for 3D. They also removed the following mechanic from HGSS which made it feel like a step-down from the last game. While the IP was still popular, post-BW titles played a heavy factor in drawing a returning audience of fans who gradually left after Pokémania died down by marketing XY as their first leap to 3D, followed by Pokémon Go having put the IP back on the radar for the casual audience.
>>59361713I agree
>>59365100Way to ignore they replaced the vapid retard cunts crying online about the games with new 7 year olds cunt. They lost 2 million of those shitbags, they still had 15.65m on-hand. Sorry you still can't understand it.
>>59361713I felt the same way even as a 12 year old boy when it came out but the Mericans were too blinded because it represented their country.
>>59366306That's more down to everyone ignoring what 12 year old cunts have to say, unless they conspired to create it (and even then, THAT'S not a guarantee).
>>59366310Yeah
>>59362488Retard, that wasn't the point.On one hand, you have:>Team Rocket killing a pokémon, simple and effective proof of them being evil, added to the pile of other bad things they have done>player engagement; get Silph Scope at Rocket Hideout to identify ghosts, battle Marowak to get Cubone and reach Mr. Fuji, get Pokéflute for Snorlax blocking the road>involvement in Cubone's bittersweet story so you aren't just reading it as flavor text>pokémon as characters while acting naturalOn the other, there is:>Team Plasma being hypocritical, dumb, goofy and incompetent - right after being introduced>a corny cutscene about shit you have no reason to care about where nothing bad or of consequence really happens>nothing gets added to the overall game/story; we already knew Ghetsis and what he does, Munna's powers are explained and used elsewhere, the whole thing is redundant>Munna creating elaborate illusions and outsmarting humans - it might as well speakHow are you so fucking stupid that this needs to be explained?
>>59366592nostalgia goggles
>>59366994correct, nostalgia goggles cause people to think BW's terrible story is somehow good
>>59361713I disagree. Gen 5 was the peak of the series. BW and BW2 had something for everyone. Either you enjoyed BW's "no new Pokemon before postgame" approach, or you enjoyed BW2's "a mix of old and new favorites" approach. Both games had massive amounts of side content; especially BW2. Having played every game from Red through Scarlet, I can say the downfall started with XY, but really escalated with ORAS. XY felt unfinished when it came out, but everyone forgave GF because one miss after a decade plus of 10/10s was fine. After ORAS came out it was apparent that GF was just lazy now. later we learned from the leak about what happened with Masude but by then it was too late.
>>59367232ORAS is overhated because of "muh battle frontier". they're better games than XY.SM and especially USUM was when everything really went to shit.
>>59367232> BW and BW2 had something for everyoneExcept for people who want difficulty, exploration, good writing, or good graphics, apparently.
>>59367232>XY felt unfinishedAnd yet you’ve spent the entire thread running damage control for why gen 5 is missing features XY has.
>>59361713True. BW were the final nail for what the series once was. What came next was some shitty Frankenstein creation
>>59367262No, it was the nail in the coffin of what it had mutated from when Tajiri stepped down.Thankfully, SM was the nail in the coffin for THAT era of pokémon and we entered a new golden age. That's why people are returning and game sales are finally growing again.
Pokemon went downhill almost immediately after Red and Green proved to be a smash hit, incentivizing Ishihara to expand Pokemon into a multimedia abomination not even a year into its existence as a released product.
>>59361713ts was 20 years ago
>>59367343>Red and GreenYou will never be japanese
>>59367343dude the first gen of pokemon was SHIT, it was objectively improved for at least several gens.
>>59361713I'm tired of pretending this didn't permanently ruin Pokemon.
>>59367343Nah, btw I don't even recognize the numon in your pic, it looks like excrement.
>>59367492>permanently um no gen 7 fixed things
>>59367492>the best gen of pokemon ruined pokemon
>>59367502No one said that Gen 1 ruined Pokemon.
>>59367502Gen 4 didn't ruin anything, dude.
>>59367479If it was such garbage, how'd it become popular enough for so many subsequent pokemon games?
>>59367528Are you really asking why I think something low quality could be popular? Most things that are popular are low quality, dude.
