>there was a retard arguing the other week that grimmsnarl doesn’t rely on brute strength because it has false surrender and that it totally heckin counts as its signature move
>>59369124I don't know what week-old thread lives in your head but yeah, False Surrender is one of Grimmsnarl's signature moves. This isn't really debatable.
>>59369145Cool! So how do I use False Surrender Grimmsnarl in Champions?
>>59369124You died on the hill that being able to use hammer arm meant it was identical to every other mon that used hammer arm.
>>59369145No, it's Morgrem's signature move. This isn't really debatable.
>>59369152That's not how signature moves work and you know it.
>>59369145yikes lmao you sure look dumb right now
>>59369154But it is how signature moves work.
>>59369149The move literally isn't in the game. It's the same as asking how Morgrem uses it in Champions. It's not in the game. Look, if they add Morgrem down the line and give it False Surrender but not Grimmsnarl you would have a point, but right now you just come off as a seething retard being assblasted you lost an argument a week ago.
>>59369159>The move literally isn't in the gameYes, because Morgrem literally isn't in the game, and it's Morgrem's signature move.
>>59369157https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Signature_move
>>59369161Well then it isn't Morgrem's signature move either since it cannot use it in Champions.
>>59369165>posts a page that lists it as Morgrem's signature moveGlad we agree.
>>59369168It lists it as both of theirs.
>>59369169And it's wrong, because Morgrem learns it, not Grimmsnarl.
>>59369166>G-G-Glaive Rush isn't Baxcalibur's signature move because Baxcalibur isn't in the game!!This is how desperate and pathetic you sound.
>>59369173Both learn it in SwSh and SV, neither learns it in Champions because the move literally isn't in the game. But please, go on and edit it if you think it is wrong, and let us see how long it takes for you to get banned.
>>59369175That's your entire argument though. Using things that are absent from the game as evidence. But good you finally realized.
>>59369177>Both learn it in SwSh and SV,No, Morgrem learns it. >neither learns it in Champions because the move literally isn't in the game.And why do you think it isn't in the game, retard-kun?
>>59369182>Using things that are absent from the game as evidenceAnd why would False Surrender be absent from the game if Grimmsnarl is in the game? It's almost like False Surrender was never actually its signature move or something...
>>59369187>NoYesThis will be my last reply, I'm done arguing with an idiot and i hope others will see just how absurd the arguments you're making are.
>>59369193>>59369200they remove moves, including signature moves, all the time, dude
>even after the leaks and total shitshow that was paradox pokemon people think pokemon is making very specific lore driven decisions.Hahahahahha.HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.They did it for balancing purposes you massive retards. People are really going in and thinking LE SIGNATURE MOVE means a damn thing to game freak and are inventing head cannon as to why they would strip a move out from a Pokemon like they give a fuck about any of the precedence. To be clear I think anyone having a serious debate of "lore" in Pokemon is a massive retard on either side. Game freak doesn't give a fuck outside of the super major plot points and muh genwun. And even muh genwun is flaking because Mewtwo reappears again as different ones even though it should only be one of one Pokemon. Along with other "unique" legendaries. Here's the correct answer: Game Freak doesn't treat the lore of this franchise as seriously as you think they do and don't care if shit doesn't make sense because they are printing money with normies who don't care about autistic debates.
>>59369207>they remove signature moves all the time, dudesuch as....
>>59369210>they had to remove worse kowtow cleave from a pokemon that almost never uses it for balance reasons heckin trust me!!Nice cope
>>59369212How does Marowak use Bone Club in SwSh or ZA?
>>59369124>muh brute forceOh it's this autist. Do you still believe color theory is a myth and that Pokémon isn't a normalfag franchise?
>>59369212>all the partner pikachu and partner eevee moves>kinesis>barrage>bone club>lovely kiss>chatter>v-create>searing shot>gear grindI could keep going down the list but dude come on you're not even trying here
>>59369214Then why did it lose Thunder Wave too? Normally jack of all trades TM pokemon that learn a electric move also usually get T wave. Why did any number of pokemon lose and regain their moves even when in game it would make no sense they would lose access to that move? Like why the fuck would a heavy ass steel type Metagross lose Heavy Slam. And before you try some bullshit "oh it can't slam down with force it always floats because of magnetism", it still has bulldoze which is basically the same type of motion. Coming down with force. The answer: Game Freak does not think about the lore as much as you think they do. Calling it right now,next single player only game false surrender will be back on it's move list and when that happens you will admit your defeat as a lorefag and repeat my golden truth on all lorefag debate threads.
>>59369292This faggot isn't a lorefag, he just hates Grimmsnarl, he will gladly dismiss or emphasize lore, mechanics, or meta reasons freely and randomly, whatever fits his point in that specific instance.
>>59369255>lists moves that were only removed because the pokemon they're signature to aren't available in the gamesSo False Surrender is Morgrem's signature move, not Grimmsnarl's, got it. Thanks for proving my point, dumbass.
>>59369326>Alakazam is in ZA but not Kinesis>Marowak is in SwSh, BDSP, and ZA but not Bone ClubI could keep going. Do the bare minimum research faggot.
>>59369333>Legends game with completely different learn sets>move that has been cut from the franchise since they started move cutsThat’s the best you can come up with? Really anon?
>>59369124Everybody recognized you as a nonsensical schizo and now you made a version 2.0 of the same thread just to get dunked on again. What a masochist.
>>59369353>moving the goal post
>>59369124Man you need to go outside, who the fuck cares about a week old /vp/ debateYou have mold in your brain
>>59369381>i-it happens all the time! Just with Legends games with completely different gameplay and the point where they wanted moves gone from the franchise entirely!Glad we agree it’s Morgrem’s signature move and not Grimmsnarl’s.
>>59369370Please say your catchphrase, "edgy brute strength shitsnarl", I've missed your sperg tendencies after I learned you're more of a lolcow than anyone to take seriously.
>>59369386>admitting to moving the goal post
>>59369386You're just an idiot who don't play the games. You clearly stated that those moves weren't in those games because the Pokémon weren't there.
>>59369399Which they aren’t. 90% of your examples are Pokemon which aren’t in the game. The other 10% is irrelevant Legends games and moves that have been removed from the franchise in general.
>>59369394>admitting to False Surrender not being Grimmsnarl’s signature move
>>59369406You didn't know Cubone was in SwSh, BDSP, and ZA.You're an embarrassment.
>>59369412I assume you don't know what moving the goalpost means since that's what you got from my post.
>>59369420You didn’t know False Surrender is Morgrem’s signature move and not Grimmsnarl’s. You’re an embarrassment.
>>59369581Because that's not true.Unlike Cubone being in SwSh, BDSP, and ZA.
>>59369426I assume you don’t know what signature move means since that's what you got from my post.
>>59369585I genuinely do not want to know your schizo definition since you argued it wasn't Grimmsnarl's signature move even before Champions despite literally every anon and source telling you otherwise.
>>59369588Same way you use Bone Club Marowak in SwSh, and by the way Cubone is in SwSh since you don't know jackshit.
>>59369600>argued thing was true>official game proves it’s true beyond reasonable doubt>”y-you’re the schizo! Not me!”
>>59369601Bone Club doesn’t exist after the move list clean up. False Surrender does. Try again.
>>59369609False Surrender doesn't exist at all in Champions.
This thread is just going to be arguing in circles until bump limit or until everybody gets bored and OP thinks he "won" the argument by having the last word, isn't?
>>59369605Your schizo argument was that Grimmsnarl didn't learn it in SwSh and SV despite evidently doing so.
>>59369619It doesn’t. Morgrem does.
>>59369617That's how the last thread wenthttps://arch.b4k.dev/vp/thread/59319839
>>59369613And why do you think that is, retard-kun?
>>59369620It clearly states Grimmsnarl learns it in SV and SwSh; >>59369197
>>59369629No, Morgrem learns it. Grimmsnarl can only remember it from when it learned the move as a Morgrem. Therefore it’s Morgrem’s signature move, not Grimmsnarl’s.
>>59369631Grimmsnarl can learn it even if never learning the move as a Morgrem, you are factually wrong.
>>59369636Grimmsnarl can’t exist without being a Morgrem first. Try again, retardo.
>>59369641You're genuinely retarded. The point is that you can have a Morgrem that never learned False Surrender.
>>59369628>>59369645Why did you reply twice with the exact same post, did you have a stroke?
>>59369617He's been seething nonstop since the last thread where he missed getting the last word due to bump limit. He was in the middle of arguing that Hitmonlee kicking isn't Hitmonlee attacking.
>>59369644Morgrem always learns False Surrender. It does so when it evolves.
>>59369662>He was in the middle of arguing [thing that was never argued]
>>59369674You don't know how to press "No"?
>>59369676Look at the last posts then.
>>59369200Why do you write like such a fag?
Just report every post he makes as trolling. It's not worth arguing with him over.>inb4 banned for announcing reports even though I'm just telling people to report him
>>59369682>Look at the last posts for [thing that never happened]Why?>>59369678You don’t know how Pokemon learning moves works?
>>59369859>lose argument>run to the jannies for help and pretend the post being deleted means the argument is refutedAh yes, the sagefag tactic.
>>59369894>eceleb schizoBased!
no wonder people say this is the worst board
>>59369894When even the jannies think you write like a massive faggot you should probably take the hint, schizo.
>>59369212Didn't they remove heal order from Vespiquen on SS? That's the first one that comes to mind.
