Gen 5 was when they stopped looking like Pokemon to me.I remember when gen 6 came out I was so hyped that all my old favorites were back and this time they could mega evolve.I literally just ignored all the new kalos pokemon because I felt like the franchise was like those aging rockers that still puts out new material that no one cares about because they just want them to play the old hits. Then I stopped playing pokemon until now because the franchise was dead.Is it still pretty much just charizard and lucario and gen one or do people actually like the new guys?
>>59380104bro Gen 8 has some of the best Pokemon in the whole franchise
>>59380104People like the new pokemon. Even normal fags have modern favorites because kids that grew up on the 3DS are adults now.
>>59380116Who is their lucario? Their charizard?
the most popular mon is from gen 7
>>59380104On the grand scheme No. Normorids only care about Gen 1 and the shillmons. Anything else with a mega or good in peeVpee also gets a respect boost, but other than that everything else is fodder to normroids.
>>59380105If you say so, pal
>>59380104>Gen 5 was when they stopped looking like PokemonHow is a pokemon supposed to look like?
>>59380494is he me?
>>59380494I agree, gen 9 has a decent mix, some typical nugen designs, some kanto-like designs, cool legendaries
>>59380105FITURE PAZST
I don't want to sound like a boomer but around Gen 6 is when they dropped the ball for me. So many awful designs that just don't look Pokemon-ish to me. Then 7, 8 and 9 were even worse. I barely recognize the franchise anymore.Really hoping 10 will be better again cause I like VERY few designs from the past few gens.
>>59380574fuck off
Same, after Gen 4 they stopped making good designs. Gen 1 and Gen 2 had the best designs. It got less good after that then after Gen 4 it's shit.
>>59380586retard
>>59380586>Tumblryou should go back
>>59380105
>>59380590I love it
>>59380588Why faggot?
>>59380593
>>59380599Nah you go kill yourself, almost every new gen has worse looking designs than the one before it, especially since Sword and Shield Retarded zoomers like you would buy anything no matter how stupid it looks so they don't need to cater to you, they need to actually put effort into coming up with good designs again that don't look like some temu digimon
>>59380603copeGens 1 to 5 have worse designs on average than gens 6 to 9
>>59380607Good jokeHow many hours a day do you spend in Roblox?
Except for Gen 5The old designs still coexist with the old designsI don't get why you fags ever fight over this, just use your oldmons if you don't like the newmons
>>59380611You say that as though you aren't naturally confronted with a ton of new designs when you play a new game. That's to be expected and completely normal. As is criticizing their shift in design language. Everything has to look a lot more complex nowadays, what could be simple has to be overdesigned and sometimes digimon-ified
>>59380104I like Spidops
>>59380612is this complex
>>59380640We both know examples for either side of this argument can be posted all day long. On average though, yes the modern pokemon is more complex, overdesigned and a less fitting Pokemon design than the average older pokemon And by modern and old I mean ~gen6/7 up vs before in this case
>>59380586>"i'm 37 and devoid of all joy in my life, yet MUST continue to interact with the toys from my childhood"Amazing. I'm 42 and seem to be more able to handle the secret of Pokémon better than the kids who grew up with it ever will.
I'm over 30 this year.I just looked at the page of Gen 9 mons and then tabbed to a page of Gen 1 mons. On the whole, it's true that Gen 9 mons have more detail, but what I'm not so sure about is why that's a bad thing.As for something that's actually a meaningful negative, Gen 1 evos tend to be extremely lazy. Gen 9 has a few too, like the Pawmi line that people often make fun of. And sometimes, the simplicity is the point, like with Diglett/Magnemite or Tandermous (although whether or not you think the point is a good idea is a different matter entirely, I personally think the aggregation evo concept is overdone and trite). But Gen 1 is just overflowing with them that it sticks out like a sore thumb. Shit like the Poliwag or Grimer line just evoke disappointment with their evos.I'm not saying Gen 9 is overall superior though, moreso addressing the question of detail = bad. Gen 9 is actually rather ugly design-wise, I only like very few designs and most of them are from very late into the game like Chien Pao, Miraidon and a lot of the other Paradox mons.
>>59380687>Shit like the PoliwagLiterally what an evolution line should be like imoThey shouldn't change completely
>>59380104Every gen has new good pokemon even if like half of them aren't very good.Like gen 6 which you mentioned as the dividing line has: Greninja, Talonflame, Gogoat, Pangoro, Meowstic, Aegislash, Malamar, Dragalge, Tyrantrum, Aurorus, Trevenant, Noivern. (Also the new Mega Evolutions of the starter trio look good as well)I consider all of those good mons.
>>59380694>Every gen has new good pokemonYeah, the percentage of good new designs is just decreasing with SWSH and SV
>>59380692Evolution is all about change/metamorphosis.Otherwise you would see larva Pokemon only get bigger.
>>59380104Every Gen still introduces new favorites for me, but I have to admit the last couples Dexes have been very weak.>>59380105Agreed, but overall the Gen 8 Dex is the weakest in the series, IMO. Many of the worst designs they've come up with.
>>59380642>>59380612Nta but I’ve noticed the same thing. Old designs seem to have a lot more unity with more holistic shapes and measured details. It seems like every other design from gen 6+ is something long and snaky with too much wavy lines to even remember
>>59380767Dragalge has a specific inspiration.But in any case, when questioned about the "eye shapes" of pokemon changing over the years, Masuda said that they made it simple because of the size limitation of sprites, so that's why they had a lot more triangular (aka toriyama) eyes.Even the GBC was limited with the color display, with the GBA they were freed from a lot of those previous limitation so they started experimenting a lot more, you can see this in the gen 3 prototype sprites which had some crazy color combinations (and honestly, it's still kinda present in the final dex).
>>59380697>>59380731This is how I feel about gen 3. A few amazing designs, but most of the dex is boring filler shitmon. At least they all still look like Pokemon to me because I remember them from when I was a kid.
>>59380105Ah yes the gen that added two "SUPER ORIGINAL" Pokemon that are just straight up wolvesWhat a joke lmao
>>59380818as opposed to gen 1 with the birds and gen 2 with the big doggos?
>>59380863False equivalency
>>59380864Cope
>>59380104grew up on gens 1-3gen 7 has the best designs in the entire franchise and gen 1 has the worst
>>59380903Based
>>59380687When I was a kid I used to love the evolutions where it’s the same thing but just a little bigger and a little meaner. I liked the poliwraths and didn’t like the politoeds where it turned into something completely different.
>>59380104I do like the newer Pokémon species but the games on the other hand are mid
>>59380104I liked Gen 6 designs like Greninja, some of the megas, Noivern, Aegislash, Goodra.But since Gen 7 a lot of them are a lot more hit and a miss. I know there's a lot of mediocre designs in the early gens (for me gen III is full of them), but Galar and Paldea had a lot of those. The tumbleweed mon (two of them?) was an example. I think Galar in particular has the worst designs.
>>59380634>Like Spidops>It's one of the worst mons that gen, if not the worst
>>59380777>A few amazing designs, but most of the dex is boring filler shitmon.There isn’t a single generation this doesn’t apply to.
>>59380104I like most of everything before gen 5I even like most mons after gen 5Unova Pokemon are just uniquely ugly to me for some reason. It’s the only generation where I boxed my starter.
>>59381062Unpopular opinion but I thought the gen 5 dex was mostly hits
>>59380104I'm 35. Getting to see the new Pokémon each gen is the best part for me. I don't give a single flying fuck about nostalgia wanking. I've seen Charizard and Lucario hundreds of times, I've had enough, I don't need to see them again. Every gen has great designs and every gen has a couple of stinkers. Some more, some less, in either category. I thought gen 8 was really weak, the only positive standouts imo are Corviknight and Toxtricity. A lot of really bad shit though, like Gossifleur (a vaguely feminine Grass type, what a riveting and innovative concept), Stonjourner (dude what if Stonehenge was a Pokémon xD Just put a fucking face on it lol), Bolthund (I don't even fucking know), Eiscue (fucking boring), and many others. Also all of the legendaries are absolute ass. The DLC horses are ok but they are heavily downgraded by Calyrex which is one of the ugliest designs in the series.Gen 9 was WAY more solid. Kilowattrel, Ceruledge, Garganacl, Baxcalibur, Glimmora, Lokix, all these and some others are really good. Sure, also some shit ones like Rellor, but no gen doesn't have bad designs. The legendaries are also really good, especially the Ruinous Quartet. Chien-Pao has become one of my favourite Pokémon.Anyway, I love seeing new designs, and I think people who only care about "muh childhood shillmons" are retarded. It's the same shit with people eating up remake slop. Games, movies, everything is just regurgitated franchises or media and people slurp that garbage up. It's pissing me off.New, original content > nostalgia slop
>>59381626the remakes exist for the nostalgiafagsI don't get why they are complaining
>>59381626Gen 8 was the low point in many ways. I know the development of it was a complete shit storm but Turner ultimately okayed every shit design in it so that's on him. Gen 9 was more coherent even if it had too many dogs.
>>59380132>who is their shitty looking furry>who is their obese lizardlollmao
>>59380104If i were to rank the gens it would go something like 5>2>3>9>4>6>1>7>8 but i don't dislike any gen and even the ones i dislike still have some mons i think are great.
>>59380104There were people who said that they stopped looking like Pokemon during Gen 3 and some who said the same for Gen 4.
>>59380132Greninja became the most popular Pokemon in the fanbase
>>59381822I don’t understand the people who say gen 4 doesn’t look like Pokemon. But then again that was the one I grew up with.
>>59381885>But then again that was the one I grew up withYou just answered your own question, you were already accustomed to them just because you were a kid.Even then, I don't understand how you don't see the disconnect between Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, & Arceus vs. Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, & Mewtwo. The newer ones looked like Digimon or Yu-Gi-oh. This is also the generation where people really complained about newer Pokemon being overdesigned. There's an old image that puts Garchomp in Gen 1 style and Charizard in Gen 4 style. If you think those look normal as Pokemon then you should have no problem with Koraidon and Miraidon and so on.
>>59381654>the battle frontier project has started!!Remakes exist to re-sell an older game at modern children since ORAS. Because the hoennbab bastards and sinnohtoddler tards sure as fuck didn't accept either ORAS or BDSP yet they still hit 14m and 15m respectively.>>59381885Because it's the short-hand way for separating "muh childhoods" from "muh adulthood". "it dun luk liek pogeytymans" = "your generation of creatures are NOT my generation of creatures and never will, nyer-nyer".
>>59381885dude literally just compare the crossgens
>>59381918>rhydon line finally feels complete after rhyperiorYou're going to have to actually explain your opinion there. "Just comparing the cross-gens" invariably winds up finishing what feel like incomplete lines to me.
>>59381927>claims to have grown up with gen 4>claims rhydon felt "incomplete" and "finally" got fixed despite not being around beforeomega LARP
>>59381927The Rhyhorn line WAS incomplete, I agree . What should've been done was give Rhyhorn a prevo because then you could get the line earlier. But with Rhyperior being added, now Rhyhorn looks horribly out of place next to every other first stage in a 3 stage evolution line. FFS look at the cover art for Legends Arceus with Rowlet perched on its horn and Ralts standing on top of it. It's massive compared to them. Even compare the Rhyhorn line to the Nidorans, Larvitar, and Aron. Try to tell me that Rhydon doesn't fit perfectly with Nidoqueen/king, Tyranitar, and Aggron. Rhyperior was not needed and completely ugly.
>>59381945>seeing boogymenWhere did I say shit retard bro? This was my first post in-thread >>59381916. I grew up before Pokémon was unleashed on any part of the world though and feel Magneton, Rhydon and the oni duo finally looked like fully-finished lines when I picked up Gen 4 and got back in (skipped Gen 3, 200 for a GBA was a waste when it would just have been a pokémon machine). So again, gonna have to explain (You)r gripes with these things, but do be sure to clarify when you started too. Because not all oldfags are also manchild fuckbags.
>>59381974>just make the line even shittier, but with a baby stageBecause that's the problem, you dense cunt. Rhyhorn was intended to be a big bulky first stage before standing up on evolution. So for a pre-evo Rhyhorn, that also is different enough from Rhyhorn to actually warrant being an existing pokémon, it'd most likely have to be a baby stage.They have a ruleset they hold and work to and need to justify every creation and addition to this ruleset. "A pre-evo rhyhorn" wouldn't be a charmander to 'horn's charmeleon, it'd end up a pichu to the pikachu.
>>59381974Rhyperior also looks completely out of place in its own line. Visually it's obviously very different with a brand new far more saturated palette ontop of the less detailed more modern stylization. It doesn't really do much to progress in any sort of thematic sense, I'd argue it even regresses in that aspect as the whole point of Rhyhorn to Rhydon is shedding some of its shell so it can stand up and "become smarter" only to regress by putting armour back on and becoming a demolitions expert that fires rocks from its hand which has nothing to do with the two before it. I'd even argue Aggron is a closer fit thematically as the horned segmented helmet it has is more appropriate for the idea of these big rocky monsters with segmented rock shelling slamming their horns into their opponents. I don't even think they really did a good job with the "demolition expert" theme they wanted to convey as they just slapped a vest/headphones on it then called it a day, when there's a lot they could have done to go harder in on it - turn the tail into an extendable ball and chain shaped like Onyx/Steelix to reference them both being Metal Coat evos. Call back to the dex entries of Rhydon's armour protecting it from lava by giving it explosive magma bombs. Anything more than just "lol he wear clothes XDD" lazily slapped onto an old gen line for the sake of hype moments and aura.Now for the record I like Rhyperior and I don't really mind an evolution changing up the design a lot - most of my favourites do so, even. I'm also a big fan of variety so I don't give a shit if the art style evolves over time and things change whoop de doo I get new types of monsters to enjoy alongside the old ones. But sitting there and pretending like the series hasn't objectively changed its approach to designs over time or that Rhyperior is complementary to the rest of its family is just insane behavior that comes from terminally online contrarianism and it would have been far better on its own.
>>59380104reality is that some designs are good most are bad regardless of the time period, but it’s what happens when you have so many. some are bound to be mid
>>59380642>implying Gen 3 and 4 mons aren't overdesigned
>>59382120You can’t imply Gen 3 mons aren’t overdesigned when word of god has stated they had extra shit thrown on them to take advantage of the GBA.
>>59382125a mon having more things doesn't automatically make it overdesigned man
>>59381996Bro, Rhydon is one of the best Pokemon you can use in Gen 1 to 3. Only thing that held it back was late game availability.
>>59382141So it's not in fact "one of the best" when it's functionally useless for most of the game.Can you dipshits think before wait what am I saying, if you could do that, you wouldn't be posting shit like that, how silly of me.
>>59382169Which is why giving Rhyhorn a pre-evolution would've made sense as it could be caught earlier and you'd have a strong final evolution by the end. Because they chose to make a Rhydon evolution, Rhyhorn will never be available early and Rhyperior is arguably less useful in current gens than Rhydon was in Gen 1, 2, and 3. Plenty of Kanto teams have a Rhydon on them, meanwhile I can't find anyone who used Rhyperior in Platinum
>>59380586Gen 4 ruined all the Johto mons and the new ones had some real stinkers too. Gen 3 was super consistent in comparison
>>59382072Imagine if Rhydon gets a divergent evolution like Poliwrath and Politoed. I used to hate Rhyperior design and thought it ruined one of my favorite lines, but I slowly warmed up to it slightly after enough time passed. Still, I'd be on board the hype train if they gave it a variant evolution or regional form or something that makes it look a little more like Rhyhorn/Rhydon. I'd even take a Feraligatr treatment mega that makes it look like Rhyhorn...
>>59380640weirdly yes>detailed lines for ears, whiskers, and fingers, as far as to give it five fingers for some reason>subtle coloration for different shirt/pants including a missing circle for some reason>twisting tail loopif this came out in gens 1/2 you can bet your ass it'd be much more simple. should've said smoliv or something.
>>59380104I stopped liking the majority of new dexes with SWSH, but there's still been some good ones added in the last two gens, just not as much as the glory years of Pokemon design from gens 3-7.
>>59382169>mewtwo actually sucksAre you retarded?
>>59382395he’s just a campaign kinda guy
>>59382395How many Worlds wins does Mewtwo have?
>>59380104Nope, I find new Pokemon to like in every generation.
>>59382294PFFFFFT HAHAHAHAHAHATHAT is too detailed for you? You would crash the fuck out after seeing the plates on Rhyhorn
>>59382410As many as you.
Deoxys is a shitmon because it's never gotten a VGC win.
>>59380104People have been singing this song and dance ever since before gen 2
>>59382517here is what a genwun version would look like. it's a simpler design, wouldn't you agree?
>>59382294or everyones favorite new complex design
>>59382864lmao what a schizo
>>59382697>20 defense Shitmon
>>59383153Agreed, and thousands like him still exist unfortunately
>>59383227?
>>59381916Tell that to the people who say Gen 8 or 9 or whatever don't look like Pokemon.
Every now and then, new Pokemon like Greninja or Miraidon will become popular. In general, Gen 1 Pokemon and new forms like Mega or Regional Evolutions are still on top.
