why you cannot capture fainted pokemon? wouldn't that make it even easier than putting them to sleep or paralysing them?
>>59405760Pokemon is just Japanese cock fighting.
>>59405760You can in PLZA. But they end up shrinking after a short while.
Cause fainting was a euphemism for death to keep the game for kids. You can't catch monsters you killed. Notably there are some exceptions like Snorlax leaving instead, but eventually Gamefreak had to explain this officially via shrinking.
>>59405760Cause they shrink.
>>59405760They shrink
>>59405864>Cause fainting was a euphemism for death to keep the game for kidsThat's not why Pokemon uses fainting instead of death. Tajiri didn't like how casual kids talked about death because of games since he viewed it as something they should take seriously. There were lots of kids games with the same age rating as Pokemon that had death in it already.
>>59405760If I was Tajiri in gen 1, I would make pokemon with 0 HP "run away" rather than saying they fainted.Pokemon would only faint in Trainer battles.
>>59405887If you were Tajiri you'd be autistic in the genuine and original sense of the word, and you'd make pokémon subconsciously shrink because that just makes sense in your autistic brain
Capturing is consent. A fainted Pokemon can't consent.Don't ask about sleeping, freezing, or paralysis.
>>59405887cassette beasts actually does exactly that
>>59405864>Cause fainting was a euphemism for death to keep the game for kidsFactually incorrect.>>59405866this is the canon reason>>59405883Pokemon has death in it but it's unrelated to battling.
Shrinking is gay. Red lasers deconstructing them is cooler.
>>59405864so when you pokemon faint they die and you revive them at the Pokecenter?
>>59405887>hit a Pidgey with a giga beam>he runs awaylol?
>>59405866>>59405928but when your pokemon faint, you return them to your pokeball
>>59405910The problem with this is that the legends game clearly don't have this(though you could argue their premise is that their pokemon aren't acting normal but they're still not consenting)
>>59405966Cause they want to, since you caught them, and they accepted you.
>>59405866>>59405869>>59405883What if you execute pokemon (e.g. point-blank shot in the head)? Destroy their bodies to the point they could technically and biologically no longer sustain the creature's life? Would they also just "faint", shrink, run away and thus survive?Shouldn't predatory pokemon be unable to live off prey simply because said prey can just shrink to avoid further lethal harm?What's even the difference between fainting and death?>>59405910Care to explain how a Master Ball respects consent?
>>59406206Master Ball is slavery, hence the name.
>>59405966They shrink and go back to your pokeball, wild mons just disappear>>59406206They can die, touristbro see cubone's mother.Master ball catches without fail but pokemon can break out of pokeballs and leave (see Wobuffet, Psyduck, Pikachu and in the games terapagos)
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>>59406212>cubone's motherWhy didn't she just shrink?
>>59405866What if I WANT a small pokemon?
>>59406216She was protecting Cubone.
>>59405898>and you'd make pokémon subconsciously shrink because that just makes sense in your autistic brainThe concept of shrinking comes from figurines fitting inside those vending machine capsules, essentially a real life inspiration no matter how autistic this entire concept is.It has been there since the very beginning, Pokemon started out as "Capsule Monsters" in Tajiri's initial pitching for instance.
>>59406265Doesn't matter. According to the canon explanation, she could just shrink in that situation.
>>59406225It's a reflex, they can't control their size.
>>59405864OP isn't asking why Pokémon faint instead of die. He is asking why fainted Pokémon cannot be caught.
>>59405760Because the whole point of the system is the tension of lowering their health enough to catch them without killing them outright, and being able to capture defeated mons would defeat the point and trivialize the capture aspect of the game.That said, I've thought it was bullshit sleeping mons are able to resist being caught since Red version, but I get why it's like that.
>>59405866Every pokemon should start with the move minimize
>>59406596What if instead of lowering hp, you needed to gift the mon before defeating him?
>pokeballs require pokemon to be conscious to register their data to the pokeball>a pokeball that has been registered to one pokemon or failed to register a pokemon that broke out cannot be reused for another pokemon>pokemon registered to a pokeball have their data uploaded to Bill's system so that no other pokeball can attempt to capture that pokemon>This is why villainous groups attempt to steal pokemon using nets and cages
>>59405966Because the pokeball inflicts so much torturous pain on a pokemon the Pokémon’s curls up into the fetal position and activates its shrink defense to conserve energy
You can capture some boss battle SV pokemon after you deplete all their health
>>59405866>took this long to get the correct answermost Pokémon fans are normie tourists
>>59406689why only bosses through?
>>59405883Which is retarded because we all said they died anyway. Appealing to what adults think little baby kids think are like is the stupidest thing this series consistently does, which is why the Cardass Pokemon art/descriptions are so cool in comparison. Kids like cool and edgy shit.
>>59406582True, but due to how ambiguous the lore is at times, you cannot discuss fainting without adressing death.>>59406662>nice theory, but how would this work in ancient times (e.g. in Hisui) without computers? I'd go so far and say pokeballs are somehow able to "cage" a pokemon's soul. Not that farfetched if one consider how deeply rooted the concept of souls are in the lore. Pokéballs (or whatever material they're made of) have magical properties which causes a pokemon's soul to be bound to said object, making it impossible for said pokemon to be caught / claimed by other pokeballs. Would explain why Apricorns of all things are capable of catching pokemon, the plant species is one of few - if not the only one - capable of producing fruits that are enriched with said pokemon-catching material. Souls are also unique so copying a pokemon isn't possible when you have no soul to place in the copy.>>59407242>Kids like cool and edgy shit.It doesn't even need to be le edgy, just acknowledge that certain cruel details are necessary for predatory pokemon to survive.
>>59405760if they're passed out they can't shrink themselves to go into the pokeball>>59405864>eventually Gamefreak had to explain this officially via shrinkingshrinking was always canon
>>59406295how different would the series be if pokemon were that small all the time? and the battles between them were also really small.
>>59407748>shrinking was always canonbut they never shrink in the anime
to all niggas saying they never shrunk before: how the fuck would an Onix fit in a Pokeball then?
>>59407820Same way a wizard uses his crystal ball.
>>59407782Different universe with different rules. Main focus is on the games.>>59407820picrel
>>59407820Dunno. Cooling, water, lack of stimulation or arousal. Many ways to make the snake smaller.
>>59405866Pretty much, anime and Manga never depict this because it's not dramatic for a Pokémon to instantly shrunk down and flees to a cover out of the sight of their assailants.
>>59405760they can't shrink if they're fainted
>>59407942Other way around, they shrink into the grass when they faint, so you cannot throw a ball at them.
Because there wouldn't be any challenge. It also gives you a reason to hold on to weaker moves.
>>59408117How about this:>increase pokeball price by 5x>you can now catch pokemon after fainting, but requires the proper ball to do so>pokeballs can catch up to level 20 general pokemon>great balls can catch up to level 40 general>hyper balls can catch up to level 60 general>masterballs are purchasable but very expensive, and can catch any pokemonit would make money more important and lower the design around chance
>>59406206>Would they also just "faint", shrink, run away and thus survive?You literally just said it died.>What's even the difference between fainting and death?The same as humans's.Shrinking is a defense mechanism, not inmortality, it can fail.>>59406298Your favorite poketuber's videos aren't canon.>>59406662> failed to register a pokemon that broke out cannot be reused for another pokemonThey can, yamper can recover those.
>>59408379>They can, yamper can recover those.It's always been hilarious to me that it's canon that the protag chucks 50 Ultra Balls trying to catch something and then is too lazy to pick up the balls that didn't work afterwards.
>>59407782the anime is not canon
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>>59407820Because the ball shrinks them with technology, not because they can shrink on their own
>>59405760they shrink too small to see
>>59408379>You literally just said it died.I wrote "shot in the head" which under any normal circumstances should guarantee death, but since we're talking about pokemon and especially canon lore, it's somehow possible for them to just tank that and only faint.>Shrinking is a defense mechanism, not inmortality, it can fail.Then the canon lore does an awful job at making it clear when this threshold between fainting and death is crossed. You can overkill a Lv.1 Pidgey by letting a Lv.100 Arceus hit it with "Judgement" - literally letting God incarnate evaporate a feable bird out of existence - and all the Pidgey does is just faint + shrink. >>59406212 In the same universe, all it takes to kill a pokemon is apparently some grunt with a stick. Again, Marowak could have just shrunk down, as shrinking has been stated by lore to be an instinctive defense mechanism. And yet it didn't, and so we are here. >Your favorite poketuber's videos aren't canon.?>>59408411I always had the impression that pokeballs in the games are very sensitive and one-use only, as pokemon violently breaking free results in the capsule being totally damaged (contrary to the anime which depicts them as reusable). Then you have ShSw or ZA which basically imply all previous protags were either mentally challenged or too pretentious to reuse the same balls.>>59409197Then you get>What about Apricorn-made or Hisuan pokeballs?
>>59409198Tiny problems require tiny solutions.
>>59409203>I wrote "shot in the head"you wrote "they could technically and biologically no longer sustain the creature's life", if the creature can't live then its dead, that's how it works.>making it clear when this threshold between fainting and death is crossedThese games are written for kids who just barely learned how to read, they might be too advanced for someone like you.>You can overkill a Lv.1 Pidgey by letting a Lv.100 Arceus hit it with "Judgement"In a pokemon battle, which for them is a sports match. Arceus doesn't kill the pidgey.>Marowak could have just shrunk downThe entire point of being dead is not being able to do things. Again, these games might be too complex for you.
>>59406660There's some other Pokemon-esque games that work like that. Monsters have a chance to join you after the battle, and you can increase the chance by giving them gifts during the battle.
>>59406660That happens sometimes in Persona.
>>59409084>characters from two non-canon spinoffs, a retconned form, and a bunch of limited-time event Pikachu from six years agoYou sure showed me.
>>59407238In ZA we can do that with ALL pokémon, retard.
>>59410257don't be rude
>>59409203>I always had the impression that pokeballs in the games are very sensitive and one-use only, as pokemon violently breaking free results in the capsule being totally damagedThat's what most assumed and Origins had the ball completely shatter when the Pokemon escaped. I forgot if you got balls back in ZA if the balls fail or if it was only if you completely whiff.
>>59408416Correct. The anime's depiction of pokeballs is better than the trash "canon" GF envisioned.Hmm... advanced tech that dematerializes a pokemon and stores it as a form of energy in the ball or, "Hurr Duurrrrrr th3y SHR1NK!!!!!!!!"?I rest my case.
>>59405866Lmao then just pick them up.
