I'm curious how the current pokemon card craze is any different from this. What do you think?
>>59409400There’s a bunch of differences that set trading cards apart from NFTs. But I feel like what you’re getting at is that neither have any inherent value, which is true.
>>59409400In fairness, there is some utility in that Pokemon cards can be played with in a competitive game.But lol, we know they're mostly just resold. This entire "industry" is just drawn out tulip mania.
>>59409400Pretty sure NFTnigz even cited TCGs as an inspiration for their "business" model
Pokemon cards are physical, monkey jpegs are not.It's nice to not have your favorite be Charizard or a waifu since they're not grossly expensive.
>>59409400Pokemon cards exist in physical reality and are finite.
>>59409400>>59409415Another commonality is they're both easily copyable - at least to an extend. You might not get the fancy glitter effects of the cards with a printer replicated, but whatever is depicted on them. Similiarly to paintings. The only inherent value a card / NFT / painting etc. has is its material individuality. Which highly depends on how many people deem them historically / artistically valuable.
>>59409430>monkey jpegs are not [physical]The data storage they exist on is physical. On a side note, during the Flappy Bird craze, some smartphones inflated in value just because they contained a copy of the no-longer-available game.>>59409438Unless you find a way to perfectly replicate them, then they are not. It's all just artificial scarcity.
>>59409400>>59409417>>59409430>>59409438>>59409440Just like NFTs, these cards only have any value if some retard buys them
>>59409400In fairness anyone with a brain was using NFTs as a commodity, although there were a lot of absolute puddledrinkers who convinced themselves the art was good.In terms of pokemon cards some people obviously treat them like an investment similar to NFTs. The cards have more of an inherent value being physical though so i personally can't see the market completely imploding in the same way although it will likely fluctuate
>>59409496>In terms of pokemon cards some people obviously treat them like an investmentI don't.
>>59409499Ok? I said 'some'
>>59409453>Pokemon cards are not finiteNigger do you actually think it is possible for there to be infinite Pokemon cards?
>>59409554No, what I'm saying is the overpricing can be easily solved if you print more of them.
>>59409566Then you miss the entire point as to why this is apples and oranges and why one cannot possibly be compared to the other.
Pokemon cards are unique though, any card worth a damn is graded, and graded cards have unique IDs.Non this isn’t the same as being non-fungible, but until someone is able to replicate a graded card exactly the distinction is meaningless. Something being non-fungible doesn’t automatically make it valuable, which is why NFTs failed.
Bunch of retards hoarding paper thinking they'll be able to sell it to some other retard who hoards paper
>>59409400pokemon cards are a lot cheaper and are finite are you retarded
>>59409587Just say you hate scalpers and move on.
>>59409600I did
>>59409400For starters, the art is better than those memed PNGs.But yeah, they are basically the same:>Dude has a (relatively) rare card>Dumb idiot thinks is a collectible, so he buys it for a bigger price than dude A.>This creates a "black" market where idiots buy tons of cards thinking they will be able to resell it for more>In reality, is more like buying tons of scratchers, scratch them, and try to find a winnerI remember I had an idiot friend who bought 100 scratchers, did them all, and won $113. He was like "is a net gain!", and I was like "when are you getting a job?"
>>59409646He was correct tho. It was a net gain.
>>59409400They are physical objects? lol
>>59409652He bought 100 dollars worth of scratchers, and won $113.He only made 13 bucks.
>>59409665And? That still means he was correct.
>>59409669when are you getting a job anon
>>59409681I have one.Why are you so upset about your friend being correct? He did make money on that exchange, that's a non-negotiable fact.
>>59409400Both the TCG and NFT are scams, I agree.But the TCG is, technically, a playable card game, one people have nostalgia for. Also, TPC makes sure to do good PR pretending they aren't the ones scamming you delfecting the attention to "scammers", so people blame them instead.Granted, the TCG being physical and theoretically a playable game does make them, technically, better than NFTs but both are scams.
>>59409687Are you retarded? It's not worth the time / effort for 13 bucks, which is also not likely to be repeated with the odds.
>>59409699>It's not worth the time / effort for 13 bucksWorth is subjective, obviously for him, it was.>repeated resultsNobody ever said the results would repeat.
>>59409706> Worth is subjectiveIf the purpose is get rich fast then it’s not subjective. It’s a pretty shit wage to earn 13 for scratching 100 scratchers.Same problem with scalpers really, would earn more if they actually got a job instead of squatting outside the card dispensers for the next refresh.
>>59409706If I came to your house and punched you in the face, it's worth my time, as worth is subjective.
>>59409722That doesn't mean his statement is incorrect.>>59409736Ok?You seem upset.
>>59409554Trees are a renewable resource, hence we can infinitely continue turning them into cardboard for new Pokémon cards.
>>59409821>no taking into account the pigmentswe'd run out of blue ink first
>>59409794> That doesn't mean his statement is incorrectSo? Point being that “get a job” is a suitable response, not that he didn’t make a dime at all.
>>59409879So why are you upset that he made profit?
>>59409881I’m not upset. I’m just saying he is doing it in a really stupid way and if he wants money then getting a job would be better.Not sure why you find that response so infuriating. I’m simply saying that these people are not smart investors, which is what they think they are.
>>59409890>I’m not upset. I’m just saying he is doing it in a really stupid way and if he wants money then getting a job would be better.Do you have a job?>I don't know why you find that response infuriating I don't, you are mistaken.
>>59409894>Do you have a job?Obviously. Otherwise I would be throwing stones in a glass house.>I don't, you are mistaken.You’ve been defending a guy from a story you don’t know. Obviously you find the “get a job” comment unwarranted, otherwise you would not be discussing here right now.
>>59409903>You’ve been defendingNo, I've been clarifying what you meant.
>>59409906> No, I've been clarifying what you meant.What part was unclear in the original post?
>>59409915Already written down, mutliple times ITT.>>59409687
>Scratcher defends his addiction because he turns a profit every now and thenI worked in a grocery store when I was a teen, we had a couple of you guys as regular customers spending 50++usd every single day on scratchers. You need serious help.
>>59409930obvious samefag is obvious.
>>59409924It’s explained several times. Not upset about him technically turning a profit. But feeling resigned he thinks this was clever or worth his time when getting a job would have earned him much better payout.
>>59409943>It’s explained several timesI know. I'm not asking you to explain it again.You wanted to clarify something with me, correct? Just like how I clarified something with you.Are we all clear now?
>>59409453>The data storage they exist on is physicalIrrelevant. They don't exist UNIQUELY physical, their presence to end users are jpegs with certificates attaching it to an address on the blockchain, and nobody cares about the certificates. So ultimately they are just ugly jpegs, ones that anyone else can just copy and paste to acquire the unique art of.
>>59409950I suppose so. Not sure where you got the idea that it was ever contested that he made a profit though.
>>59409469That's most things in life, yes.
>>59409469art and media is a scam but we're so decadent we put more value into those things than basic necessities
>>59409957>Not sure where you got the idea that it was ever contested that he made a profit thoughIt was when you seemed to imply his statement was wrong, but you have clarified what you meant now.
This thread is proof of the consequences of debatebro nonsense.
>autist doesn't know how to interpret anything that isn't laid out exactly how he likes itThe cause of 90% of arguments on this board.
>>59410261It's mainly hurt feelings because both are right.On one side you have the scratchers who are mad they made "more" money than they lost, and at the other you have the jobbers who are mad the others "aren't wagging".Look, both sides are right: a net gain is a net gain, and having a job is a secure way to have income without relying on gambling.But that's the issue: on one side you have gamblers who may lose more that what they invested, and on the other you have the guys who are slaving their lives away.In any case, here I only say this: be responsable with your finances. Oh, you won an acceptable comeback while gambling? Good. Oh, you had a raise from $7.25 to $7.29 an hour? Good for you. Just be aware of your spending and investments.
>>59409453>some smartphones inflated in value just because they contained a copy of the no-longer-available game.what was stopping people from jailbreaking/rooting and just installing an apk or whatever the iphone equivalent is
>>59410314The IDF and their psychic elites, I guess.
>>59410314jailbreaking and rooting is illegal anon(most people are too retarded)
>>59410314Some games weren't taken from the App Store, so the last copies in old phones became the only copies.I think something like that happened with the Shin Megami Tensei games. The games were released in the Ipod's App Store, and then they were removed one year later.It was the only way to play SMT 1 in English. Thankfully some guys managed to get those old copies and translate it properly, but SMT 2 didn't got that luck.