These are the starters that losers pick, if you ever picked these monsters you are a loser.
>>59442483Why are you lying?
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nahthis is a more accurate list
>>59442483Okay, let me see if Chespin is on here,yep there he is, garbage list.Okay, now to see if Chikorita is not on here,yep, no Chikorita, this is a bait thread. As if we were short on those.
>uppity hoennbab posts the least subtle genwar thread this side of Jan 1st 2026
>>59442483why does paldea have two loser picks?
>>59442483>Bulbasaur>Turtwig>Chespin
>>59442509Because OP is a retarded contrarian incel skelefag and probably rillaboomer too
>>59442483hmmmm I wonder if a chikoritafag made this post
>>59442499>>59442500>Chikorita>loser If you pick Chikorita in Johto, you're someone who is confident in their choices and their chances of winning. Only second to Rowlet in Alola, where the deck is stacked even harder against you.
based chikochad
>>59442540>Making stupid choices makes you smart, actually!That's some serious cope from a literal retard.
>>59442483objectively wrong because all galar starters are loser picks
>>59442483>>59442499>none of these shit on fennekinyou're totally furfags. post your phoxes.
>>59443629>playing on hard mode makes you a loserwhatever you say casualfag
>>59443656Picking Chikorita lets you bludgeon the game with Geodude. If anything you’re the casual shitter for not having such surface level knowledge of the game
>>59443629>wanting the game to be more engaging is a stupid choiceI can tell you’re a tard who never pursued any education beyond the bare minimum from your post.
>>59443629>Chikorita is badJohto has been out for over 25 years, people still parroting this lie?
>>59443817picking anything lets you bludgeon the game with geodude, retard. the only difference chikorita makes in that regard is making the rival battles easier
>>59443906>the only difference is that it’s easier with Chikorita!!!wow anon you’re so smart for repeating what I said. retard
>>59443817More or less why there really isn't a wrong starter choice for Gen 2.Chikarita and Cyndaquil are basically useless, and Totadile is worse than most waters you can pick up.True optimal thing is to just ditch em and build a team from the wild mons you catch.
"hard mode" in pokemon is about as hard as solving a 3x3 jigsawmost embarrassing shit to brag about ever
>>59444038That's because the Joho staters are the only ones that were explicitly made to flop
>>59443906>the only difference chikorita makes in that regard is making the rival battles easiernot her but explain this.
>>59442483Proud loser here!
>>59444069Silver's Typhlosion has the least functional moveset out of the 3 options. Resist fire and it cannot actually damage you, unlike Poison Powder or Bite from the other two.Though, that's a hell of a consolation prize to call Bite a threatening coverage move.
>>59442483fuck it I'll bite >KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOThere is objectively no loser choice. But Bulbasuar used to be considered the "lame" one so >Johto typhlosion is the only one without a supa saiyan industry plant shill power up form so I guess this fits. though gatr got a toilet weaker than its own baby so make of that what you will , >HoennTechnically true since they all have supa saiyan industry plant shill power up forms, but Sceptile is bad in game as Chikorita is in Johto ,and its Have Karen, the woman in the second image, watching the television is a shitmon >SinnohAll are worshiped by fans, but Torterra went through a humiliation ritual because Ash is a retard so I guess this fits. >UnovaWrong, Oshawott is worshiped in Japan and at least got to be in a legends game. Serperior is the one without a supa saiyan industry plant shill power up form Though Emboar's supa saiyan industry plant shill power up form ended up weaker than an assault vest so make of that what you ill. >KalosThere is no loser, they all have supa saiyan industry plant shill power up forms and unlike the Shitshow that was ZA starters theses are universely cool AND mostly strong. But Chespin was by far the least popular so I guess this fits too >AlolaWrong, Both forms of Decidueye are complete and utter shitmons. >GalarIntellion is the only one that's a shtitmon so I guess this is true. >PaldeaTwo loser choices makes this automatically wrong. Only the Duck is a loser>Weeeee WaaaaaaToo early to tell, you are a retard
>>59444140I agree with a lot of this logic but you can't say Typhlosion doesn't have a industry plant form but imply that the Oshawott line does
>>59444038Cyndaquil’s problem though is that it’s a quadruped that evolves late and has to compete with Magmar in GS. In HGSS they let you teach it Fire Blast pretty early so it’s not terrible. Ultimately it’s just the movepool that can’t be fixed easily until it evolves at level 36, and Johto’s stingy with exp. Totodile though is a murder monster, like people meme about the red Gyarados but Totodile’s unironically better than it in GS and ends up being a good HM bot in HGSS if you opt to cheese the game with the level 50 Magikarp. And your other Water options aren’t great in the region either.
>>59444152I mistyped. Oshawott doest NOT have a supa saiyan industry plant shill power up form. But because it’s competing with a Pokémon that also doesn’t have one it wins out due to PLA.
>>59442483>>59442499there, if you picked any of these starters not only you're a loser but a trans retard as well
You "People" are genuinely retarded you know that right?
>>59444154Magmars mid game completely mogs Quilava, but aside from Flame Wheel Quilava gets Dig (good for Morty) and Rollout (basically rock type rage) for coverage and i think by the time it actually needs anything else it’s evolved to Typhlosion and gets its full moves like TPunch and etc as well as outstating magmar. > And your other Water options aren’t great in the region eitherTheres Quagsire: Early game and EQ by level up mid game. Lapras: very high stats and ice STAB. And Lanturn (electric STAB). Gatr is probably better in the long wrong than all of them but they seems to be good replacements
>>59443656Intentionally kneecapping yourself does in fact make you a retard, yes. Of course, if you really want to prove your stance, go gouge your eyes out and live the rest of your life blind. That's the same principle after all.>>59443823I have a bachelor's of science with two minors and had a 3.9 GPA upon college graduation. I also have an IQ of 135. See above, blinding yourself isn't making life more engaging, it's actively doing something retarded. Intelligent people seek the most efficient and optimal path forward, stupid people force hardship onto themselves then whine about it like they're better (they aren't) because they're idiots who refuse to use the tools given to them optimally.>>59443825Within its home region? Absolutely it's bad. Gym 1 is flying (Weakness), gym 2 is bug (Weakness, and the ace is part flying), gyms 3-5 are neutral, gym 6 (jasmine) has some utility since Steelix is part ground but it's not as good as Cyndaquil, gym 7 is ice (weakness), and gym 8 is dragon, but ironically meganium can clutch up against Kingdra.The E4 are full of flying, ice, and poison which are things meganium is weak to, and the champion has a fire-flying type.The Kanto gyms fare better; as with Gen 1, brock and misty get destroyed, but Erika crushes meganium, as does koga's daughter who is forgettable, and blaine. The rest are generally even fights.Team Rocket uses lots of flying and poison types, which chicorita struggles against.These weaknesses are exacerbated in the remakes, where the move pools are deeper for every pokemon and some of the movesets have been updated. This is especially true for the E4 Rematch teams which are all far stronger and curbstomp the plant dinosaur for the most part.Grass in general is a weak type in Gen 2 compared to gen 1, likely due to how Bulbasaur was so dominant in Kanto during RBYG.
>>59442483Turn your monitor on
>>59444385Bodied those freaks, holy shit. >Grass in general is a weak type in Gen 2 compared to gen 1, Is there any gen aside from 1 where grass is actively good? Raw type chart puts grass in the negative, and grass in general doesn't get as many good offensive moves.
>>59444094This is more a problem with Gens 1-2 and somewhat 3 than actual strategy. The movepools in RBYG and GSC are utter trash. FRLG and HGSS expand them and improve them somewhat.For example, in HGSS, the Victory Road and Mt. Moon Rivals have Flame Wheel, swift, quick attack, and Lava Plume (Victory road) or Flamethrower (Mt. Moon) instead - far better movesets. This extends to the other pokemon on his team as well, having better movepools by virtue of the games having deeper pools than the originals.
>>59444385>I also have an IQ of 135.Look little famicom I agree with the rest of your post but ain't noone buyin' dat.
>>59444404On its own? Not really. Gen 4 has solid use cases for Torterra given the gyms; it can get you through the rock and steel gyms, and can potentially do work against Crasher Wake if you're careful (mind ice moves!) as well as being good against the electric gym. This is largely due to its ground typing which IS a good type in most games.Gen 6 introduced fairy, and since literally all but two of the gen 1 grass types (Tangela and Exeggutor) have Poison, they're at least servicable and get indirect buffs due to their dual typing.Which, really, is the lesson here; Grass is a poor type on its own and pure grass types tend to be kind of dogshit, but with a good secondary typing a grass type is a useful utility option, especially if the region has a lot of ground or water/ground types. Sadly, Johto only really has Wooper and Quagsire for that, though it can be argued Lanturn and its prevo whose name escapes me at the moment are a good use case, but those pokemon aren't very common among NPC trainers.
>>59444404>Is there any gen aside from 1 where grass is actively good?Honestly, if you took Chikorita and plopped it into Sapphire it would probably be pretty decent.
The ideal starters for each generation:>Bulbasaur (Sweeps three of the gyms including the last one, poison typing helps against Koga and Erika, resists Surge's team, easy access to pokemon to deal with the other gyms)>Cyndaquil (Sweeps the first two gyms, as of HGSS has the move pool needed to carry you as a special attacker)>Mudkip (Water/Ground is a great typing, and grass types are rare in Hoenn, especially among the important trainers you have to fight, meaning you'll never really be in danger. The only drawback is it's got that same mixed attacker shit a lot of garbage from hoenn had)>Infernape (Fire types are rare, and fire/fighting does well against many of the gyms such as the steel gym, ice gym, and rock gym, though any of the starters in Sinnoh can do well given their excellent typings)>Tepig (as with infernape,does well against several gyms, but all of the Gen 5 starters struggle a bit in part 1)>Tepig (With the normal gym earlier, the bug gym present still, and Kyurem as the box legend you have to fight later, fire/fighting carries well, but as with part 1 the starters in gen 5 are all mediocre for their region, and part 2 gives you riolu very early which means you could well take Oshawott; snivy is the weakest option due to its lack of a dual typing and being grass in a game with a poison AND flying gym)>froakie (If you can get one with protean via breeding or trading or hacking, otherwise you'll probably want Fennikin because its typing helps against more gyms, but let's be honest you're swapping it for a kanto starter since those have mega stones and Venusaur is actually the pick here in that case because fairy gets mogged by poison and charizard gets mogged by rocks like the bitch it is, and blastoise sure is there!)
>>59444417>litten (You know him, he's the king of VGC. None of the options here are horrible, but its movepool and typing lend it well to some of the later challenges. It rules VGC for a reason)>scorbunny (Honestly, rillaboom is also viable. The gyms in this region have some unique typings so only the stupid water lizard I fucking hate sucks here)>Fuecoco (Its typings in its final form are excellent against most of the gyms in the region. Meowscarada is a close second, and the gay duck is usable but not ideal)The further into the franchise you get, I'd honestly say use whichever you like most because the variety tends to be great enough that your starter choice doesn't ultimately matter; you can fill out your team with a balanced set of pokemon for the region in any game after gen 2, but I'd argue gen 5 part 2 is really when this holds the most true.>>59444414This is true for a lot of the "bad" starters, and you're correct. There's a lot of water in gen 3, but as a starter it would suffer. In addition to, say, a blaziken however you're onto something. Swampert is a really strong option in Gen 3 and if your rival has it Meganium can just shitstomp it.
>KantoSquirtle > Bulbasaur > Charmander (even with Metal Claw)>JohtoTotodile = Cyndaquil > Chikorita>HoennMudkipz = Torchic = Treecko; all starters are viable from start to finish>SinnohChimchar > Piplup > Turtwig>Unova Tepig > Oshawott > Snivy>KalosFennekin > Froakie > Chespin>AlolaLitten > Rowlet = Popplio>GalarSobble > Scorbunny = Grookey>PaldeaFuecoco > Sprigatito > QuaxlyWater starters are always hard carried by the ability of learning Ice moves plus whatever their second typing was if there's any while for most generations Fire starters are usually only the viable option for said type even though Fire is overrated in the later stages of the game. Grass starters are always the solid little bros who don't get much recognition, has a baijillion weaknesses but gets things done in the main storyline.Let's be real, in the main storyline everyone just uses as much type coverage anyway with one main STAB and Grass starters get fucked hard in that regard (save for Turtwig and Rowlet).
>>59444423>Swampert is a really strong option in Gen 3 and if your rival has it Meganium can just shitstomp itWalls both STABs, is faster (60 vs. 80), and has STAB on a type that is 4× as effective against Water/Ground.This is still the case even when both are mega evolved with Mega Swampert (70) still being slower (outside of Rain).Meganium's poor reputation is largely due to the fact that Johto is hostile towards Grass type Pokemon.like how Alola is to Decidueye
>>59444404>Raw type chart puts grass in the negative, and grass in general doesn't get as many good offensive moves.Yawnfag summoning ritual.
>>59444305Welcome to 4chan
>>59444512Yeah, and IMO it's a kneejerk response to gen 1 where grass was the best starter option and it being part poison made it do well against pokemon that would normally be a problem in a region full of other poison types (as I said, there's two non-poison grass types in kanto's dex, johto adds three more with the sunkern line and bellossom if I recall, not counting chicorita which we're already discussing obviously). Johto is a bad region for grass types, so is Unova, and so is Alola really, though I think more of the issue in alola comes from Decidueye's secondary typing much like how torterra's strength comes from being part ground.
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>>59444658>reddit poll>first stage poll>separated by elements instead of gens poll
>>59442500the audacity of chesnogs is hilarious
>>59444089it's the most popular sinnoh starter on /vp/ and has been for many many years >>59444664
>>59444658>>59444663>>59444664>>59444666>>59444671All wrong as shown here >>59442488
>>59444676>Bulbasaur just about won its lot>is in op's post>Cyndaquil won its lot>is in op's post>Turtwig nearly tied for 3rd in its lot>is in op's post>Grookey and Tepig and Scorbunny are last in their lots>are not in op's post
>>59444685that poll is outdated and not about starterseven still it disproves several of op's theses rather than supporting them
>someone called my starters the picks for losers, how do i refute this? >oh, i know! i'll dump a dozen popularity polls i already have on hand just in case someone call them loser picks!really not beating the allegations with this one
>>59444493>Sceptile fag thinks Torterra is unviable
>>59444689>that poll is outdated and not about startersAnd what are you gonna do about it? ignore it because it doesn't fit your own agenda? grow the fuck up with your fanfic burger polls lol
>>59444690>NOOO DON'T POST FACTSloser op trying to psyop his favorite shitmons by framing actually liked starters as le bad
>>59444694ignore it?like how you just ignored the part where I pointed out how it still btfo's several of op's claims?
>>59442483>Genwars are against the rules.>Does it anyways. Shiggy.
>>59444695I have no stake in starterwar shit. I don't care about what's on the popularity polls themselves. but having a dozen of them ready to whip out just in case someone calls your favorite stinky is pathetic, especially when op wasn't even talking about popularity to begin with, just that whoever likes them is a loser for whatever reason. it reeks of a desperate need to be constantly validated for picking the pokemon you like. I don't know what to tell you, that's genuinely peak loser behavior
>>59444089Based
>>59444735who are you quoting?
>>59444736>"I have no stake in starterwar shit">*is here*stopped readingget a life dumbass
>>59444736bodied that freak
if you use your starter, you objectively and heuristically are an npc
>>59444776>get a lifeDude, you save youtube and reddit polls onto your hard drive
>>59445396delphox, lobotomise this vermin.
>>59445433And? Mad your inane fanfiction is getting checked by evidence of reality?
>>59445454lobotomized that freak
>>59442483based Chikorita line respecter
>>59442483Can confirm. I picked, Bulbasaur, Cyndaquil, Turtwig, and Oshawott and I am loser.
