Ash needs to return, there is no rebuttal this anymore. It does not matter if the anime shoves more legendary pokemon, tries to shill every single spin-off pokemon game and shove another villain arc. There is no guaranty next new protagonist would be any better than this. Pokemon Horizons tried for three years and couldn't even match JN series which is saying a lot. Its time to face the reality, changing the protagonist didn't improve anything and only made things worst. Liko & Roy had over 100 episode but remained unremarkable Mary Sues who gets everything handed to them and adding more characters like Uruto & Navi didn't made anything better. Ash didn't took 100 episode to make pokemon anime better, he only needed the first episode to accomplish what Liko & Roy couldn't in 100 episode without a single special privileges.Its doesn't matter what Pokemon anime tries next to hype people unless Ash and Team Rocket Trio are in the show.
>>59507360Nobody cares Fagmon. Get a job you brainlet hobo.
>>59507360Assh is dead and retired
>>59507392>>59507394You lost, admit it. After decade of whining about Ash & insist how the anime would evolve if he goes away but it turned out the anime hit absolute rock bottom without him. We should have gotten new series with Ash, Serena, Clement, Cynthia, Lance, Manon , Misty, Paul , Tobias getting new Mega evolved pokemon with mega level power but instead we get this filler saga on bunch of uninteresting OC . Even Decolora adventure was only 22 episode long but Wonder Voyage has to be 50 episode of borefest unless Wind & Wave are released on January.
>>59507360They need to have better writers, they don't and shouldn't bring back Ash. Pokemon works way better as a power fantasy with some ecological elements thrown in.They also need to ditch their existing duo and go back to a standard 10-12 year old boy like before
>>59507470>You lost, admit it.HE'S GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!AND HE'sN E V E RCOMING BACK!!!!!
>>59507486>They need to have better writersThey still has Tomioka and Yuiji Asada while Dai Sato has been an experienced head writers of multiple kids anime. >they don't and shouldn't bring back AshCurrent series has proven that Ash & Team Rocket Trio are necessary then new protagonist staring from scratch. >Pokemon works way better as a power fantasySo basically you just want Solo Leveling but with Pokemon and new handsome looking MC to self insert as them.
>>59507490Its like saying Goku and Usagi are gone and will never return.
>>59507507Goku nor Usagi were ever retired for a new Protag, Assh lost
>>59507507There is a time when leaves are falling.The woods are grey, the paths are old.
>>59507503Who said solo levelling? Pokemon can do fine by just being more like OG, and Metal Saga Beyblade.
>>59507515>Goku nor Usagi were ever retired for a new ProtagDragonball tried to replace Goku with Gohan but it failed. Ash is as iconic as Goku & Usagi which makes him irreplaceable.
>>59507527>Pokemon can do fine by just being more like OGExcept OG series wasn't a power fantasy and it won't work with another MC.
>>59507528Enjoy the Pokemon anime going the Yugioh route a new protag every Gen
It's almost as if they create this shit to interest children and not brown foreigners who live (and consume content) outside Japan, huh?
>>59507672Should have happened with Gen 2. In fact, keeping the cunt on was directly responsible for Johto series poor reception (coupled with a hefty dose executive plot meddling).
>>59507360Holy shit, dude, get over ti already and move on with your life. Even if there was any demand outside of a few schizos on 4chan for Ash to come back, which there's not, it's still never going to happen. His seiyuu's scandals make it a nonstarter.TPC and OLM aren't trying to "hype up" people your age, by the way. They're trying to hype up kids who aren't old enough to even remember Ash.
>>59507360Suffer more
>>59507360sango needs to return
>>59507527You can't see the problem with that, do you? Lets uses Metal Saga Beyblade plot in a new pokemon anime --> New protagonist Gingka who is already champion tier trainer from episode 01 and has the main core legendary pokemon as his starter pokemon as he goes on a journey to defeat his evil rival that has the other main legendary pokemon that he plans to use for evil and it ends with Gingka use power of friendship to awaken the true power of his legendary pokemon to defeat the evil rival & his legendary. Why does they get legendaries & reach champion level from the start? Because they are just that special. This is not a story , this is a fanfic. The main reason Metal Saga gets away with this because the original protagonist Tyson had one of the strongest Bit-beast in his Bey and his final battle was against a guy that made black holes with his Bey. For long running show, first protagonist & the first series set all the standard & rules for all the future series. Protagonist rotation works when original protagonist is a Mary Sue or gets cheat skill. Nether of this was apply to Original Ash as he was treated to be completely ordinary underdog. There is a reason Boruto flopped so hard and you won't any long running shonen that run with a single protagonist for over a decade ever successfully rotate protagonist.
>>59507672How that turned out for Yugioh? Oh wait, they shut down the anime.
>>59507958After like 7 "generations" of new protagonists. It was a long enough of a run.
>>59507964Only seven? Ash carried the series for eight generations and can still carry the anime for another 8 generations.
>>59507360Ash is an old, old man, with semon dripping from his mouth. He cradles against the floor as his pants and underwear are fully pulled down. His hands shiver in the shackles he's been locked into, and it's been many years since he's last heard Pikachu call him out. The younger, newer trainer kicks a dirty shoe straight into Ash's anal cavity, spitting on him as he scoffs, "Is that all you got!". Ash can only dream of the days he'd spent in his youth wandering, searching for adventure. Now, he can only spend it on other places.As Kanto's crackwhore.
>>59507672This is actually why I stopped watching Yu-Gi-Oh! as a teen. Yugi I followed. GX was nice because Duel School wasn't mystical stuff. (Until it was.) and by 5D's I didn't care to watch another new cast.
>>59507360Sango would actually get Ash to notice what you're supposed to do with girls.
>>59507360Ash is done as a main protag and that was made very clear, he could show up again but as world champ, though Team Rocket Trio can be separated from him if they are really needed.Just let them experiment.
>>59507958Not really though, they are now just more focusing on internal shorter animations so they don't share profits, cause Konami.
Ash couldn't even get his dick wet and nowayfag'd Serena
>>59508315>Ash is done as a main protagGoku and freaking Kirito was done as main protagonist then Ash ever was. Winning a sloppy world championship doesn't mean his story was over. He still haven't defeated a core legendary Pokémon, confronted Giovanni, settled scores with Alain & Tobias , mastered his aura.Only creatively bankrupt people thinks Ash was done as character when Roy is the walking proof that removing Ash was pointless.
>>59507360Can we stop pretending the Ashnime is a thing after the Kanto arc? Who even give a shit these days?
>>59508647Ashnime were always a thing, you just never checked beyond OS series because it wasn't a Mary Sue fantasy.> But nu- Pokémon is not like old Pokémon.All long running anime go though changes including Dragonball and One Piece. You simply just single out Ashnime and pretend only Ashnime that changed.
but Horizons is essentially over, the arc was completed and that's actually a good thing, much better than becoming a zombie series for 25 years. Now they're pretty much filling for the delay of gen 10.Now if it flopped so hard, why did they keep making episodes? If people are craving so much for ash, why aren't they just putting old episodes on repeat?
>>59508628And those who are overly milked from popularity that for Goku contradicts pre set character traits and has Kirito get ever worse as a character. Pointing to DB really reveals how illiterate you are.
People obsessed with protagonist rotation doesn't thinking straight or else they would have known protagonist rotation is just a regression. The series throws away all the progression to start fresh with a new protagonist, a worst form of resetting Ash in every series. Think about it, how would Gen 10 anime supposed to install a new protagonist? Do you want another Mary Sue who magically become champion tier & gets legendary pokemon handed to them by doing Hoge Hoge Hoge ? Do you want another MC that spends another 20 years to be champion tier ? Both option sucks. Whatever story you can think of with a new protagonist on Gen 10, I can tell you it will only get better if Ash is the protagonist in their place.Pokemon 2023 would have been better if Ash was the protagonist instead of Roy. That's way the anime wouldn't need a manufactured offscreen development in timeskip to make Roy champion tier who can beat Rayquaza because Ash is already the world champion with enough ONSCREEN character development to justify defeating & catch Rayquaza and he already has a Mega Lucario that he trained from a baby.
>progressionyou're a bit late for that discussion
>>59509161>much better than becoming a zombie series for 25 years.That Zombie series still had more hype and stake than the dead series like Horizons even during their big final arc. Even freaking JN series had more hype and it was the series about Ash's friendship with a guy. >Now if it flopped so hard, why did they keep making episodes?The same reason they kept insisting an xenophobic newbie like Trip to remain Ash's main rival for Unova league instead of introducing N and an experienced trainer as his main rival for Unova League. Including wasting an entire Tournament arc to shill him. Current writing staff can not acknowledge themselves to be wrong, just like how Nintendo would spend million of dollar on suing Palworld rather than using that money to make a better game with better graphics and better monsters and everything that Palworld offered.
>>59507360They traded Ashnime for SoL Liko who happens to have a Pokemon
>>59509222>Do you want another Mary Sue who magically become champion tier & gets legendary pokemon handed to them by doing Hoge Hoge Hoge ?Neither of these are objectively bad things, stop coping
>>59509322Yeah, fighting to bring a magical creature to a magic land while fighting a mega corporation is super relatable.
>>59509222Or you know just use the entire run time of a generation to build up to them being Champ tier and maybe legendary or not even have them ever reach champion level if they want to keep it slice of life/not episodic, this all or nothing approach is some peak underage posting instead of simply going "how about they simply do what good protag rotation does of improving the cycle" which actually most often included shortening overly long journey of first protag cause they milked it, like Digimon had its MC's get Mega's earlier and rest of cast actually get theirs without needing sequels to get them and that felt better and more fitting pace wise with Mega level being more normal to get.
>entire thread of homeless brown schizo seething endlessly and overdosing on copium once again>all this asshurt ranting just because he can't handle this cute little anime girl existingLiko is so powerful, how does she do it?
>>59509342>Or you know just use the entire run time of a generation to build up to them being Champ tierAnd how you supposed to explained the new protagonist magically become champion tier in a single series? What possibly you can have him do that Ash haven't done in a single series to be champion? Ash had the peak development that any protagonist ever had on DP series yet the series insisted he is still not grown enough to be champion when Ash at the end of Orange Island saga was already more developed than Tai, Yugi and Tyson. In fact the idea of a newbie with level 05 starter winning against a gym leader that meant to be more experienced & one of the strongest trainer in the region is already too far fetched. The game gets away with it because it is a Mary Sue where the game world bends to the player character's will which was pointed out by the Indigo Disk/ >not even have them ever reach champion level if they want to keep it slice of life/not episodicSlice Of Life needs actual gag idiotic character keep thing funny & all of your response from SM Ash already proof enough that none of you would accept a Slice Of Life Protagonist.
>>59509342>like Digimon had its MC's get Mega's earlierYou still stuck with the idea that Digimon did MC rotation so Pokemon have to do it when POKEMON ISN'T DIGIMON. Digimon wasn't about Tai becoming strongest Digidestined, it was about couple of kids surviving in Digital World to stop an evil force. Yugioh wasn't about Yugi becoming King Of Games & he didn't do anything for 90% of the series, it was about an ancient pharaoh recovering his memory to drive away an evil force. Gundam was about war & politic rather than Amoru becoming the best Gundam Pilot & he was completely overshadowed by Char. All of these series with Protagonist rotation was never about a central protagonist & their journey to reach the top. Original Pokemon anime never had any plot, it was about a central protagonist journey from an underdog to the champion. People never watched pokemon for plot, they watched Pokemon anime to see how strong Ash could get in a new series. In a way , its similar to Dragonball that people still watch to see Goku getting new powerup in hopes that he will eventually reach a level of curbstomp Superman rather than plot. This is why the entire Pokemon anime falls apart the moment Ash is removed from the equation because he is the driving force of the anime & without him there is nothing for people to keep watching the show.At this point, Pokemon is better off with each series being about Ash getting new powerup to ether stop a threat & surpass a new rival. Fortunately Pokemon trainers are easy to nerf compare to shonen protagonist by changing their team and make them use new inexperienced pokemon. .
>>59509389>>59509408Replying to the same post multiple times while constantly projecting your media illiteracy onto others speaks volumes of how little confidence you have in your SI-fantasies.
>>59508315>Ash is done as a main protagExcuse me, has Ash become strong enough to defeat Yugi in a death battle? If he isn't then he is still no done as a protagonist.
>>59509426Are you new to word limit in a single post?
When they got rid of Ash they also got rid of Team Rocket, so that’s 2 birds with 1 stone!
Its hilarious how Ash got with no girl, guess Pikabussy was too good
There's nowhere else for Ash to go. He's the literal world's strongest trainer. You can't go higher than that without turning it into multiverse wank like Dragon Ball did.
>>59509476The Ash self inserts haven't recovered yet
>>59507360Why the fuck do you care about the shitty pokemon anime if you're above the age of 16? Watch something worthwhile instead.
>>59509495You can always tell they're self-inserting cause Ash as a character was never interested in girls at all. Bar that one girl in the first season, but that's early installment weirdness.
>>59509488>There's nowhere else for Ash to go. He's the literal world's strongest trainerWinning a sloppy Master Tournament Once doesn't make Ash the strongest trainer in the world, especially when he had to use three gimmick to defeat Leon.We already know Lance won the Pokemon Wold Tournament on anime which means there are multiple world championship in Pokemon world. Pokemon will always introduce new stronger trainer & Champion so Ash will never run out of rivals to battle.
Mmmm… i feel you, and I totally used to agree… unfortunately, corporate money comes first so… you gotta move on… and, if you don’t like it it’s just not the same anime, so if you hate it, move on
Cope and seethe AshfagsHe's never coming back and he was shit since JohtoEither deal with the truth and get over it like an adult or seethe for the rest of your life like a manchild sperg, your choice
Believe in DotLiko.
>>59509927Is this what Nintendo says whenever anybody mentions Palworld?
>>59509364>you said - NothingKeep it that way, no one wants to hear you anyway.
>>59508858I dont watch any anime. The mainline games are far more relevant and interesting than the Ashnime.
>>59507486>Power fantasy>Just give Roy a shiny rayquaza lmaoAs >>59507529 said, OG was way better. Tone really shifted around BW, slightly improved in XY, then went insanely downhill with the change in art style. >>59507723>Johto's poor receptionHow do you blame it falling off after? Pure cope.
>>59509172They are overly milk because they are successful anon. What do think? Dragonball should replace Goku with this new kid with ancient Saiyan blood that magically learn ultra instinct offscreen by doing Hoge Hoge Hoge? Because this is what Pokémon 2023 series did!
None of you understand how much of a good protagonist Ash Ketchum truly was. All the other Battle anime protagonist always needed a cheat. Yugi had magic puzzle box with the spirit of Pharaoh who solves all his problem & three Egyptian cards, Tyson had the strongest bitbeast in his Bey as a family heirloom, Taichi had access to special Digimon custom made for him with special crest & achieved bond evolution. But Original Ash Ketchum didn't had a single cheat. His so-called "Special" Pikachu was no different than ordinary Pikachu, three of his pokemon refused to evolve, the ones that did evolve ether refused to obey him or got released. Yet Ash managed to carry the series for not just one series but 4 series for 10 years. This require an extremely good protagonist that can attract people to watch his show without any cheat simply with his character. The closest thing Ash had to a cheat in 10 years was an Infernape with overpowered Blaze that its former trainer abandoned because he failed where Ash succeed as a trainer. Even Liko & Roy couldn't go three years without having magic ancestors & Legendary pokemon being handed to them. But current fandom are filled with losers whose idea of a good protagonist are brick walls like Jin-woo, they doesn't have standard to know good protagonist or good anime.
Is this what happens to jeets who can't make it in the slop industry?
>>59507360He's your rebuttal, the ashnime was always dogshit. Yes, even in the original Japanese.
>Noooo you just don't GET IT Ash is GOOD actually because in my fucked up delusional mind he just IS ok??Kill yourself you failure of a human beingHundreds of people explained to you already why you're wrong but you just don't want to listen
>>59511543It's pointless. He's lost to nostalgia. It's a cancerous tumor on society and people like OP are beyond saving. They're so pathetic and useless that they refuse to pick themselves up, dust themselves off, and make their future better. Instead, they wallow in their made-up idealized version of the past because they're spineless coward faggots.
>>59511482I mostly agree, but you conveniently ignored his magical protag greninja
>>59511561OP literally got kicked out by his parents because he did nothing talk about Ash online and possibly also IRL. He's a homeless bum who just leeches free wifi or whatever to keep posting online and refuses to do literally anything else. It's bottom of the barrel pathetic, it's actually subhuman.>>59511584He's gonna tell you that that doesn't count because he "earned it".
>>59511584>his magical protag greninYou mean something that he got after 20 year (not 10 years) that screwed his shot of receiving Mega Ring on Kalos only to job to the Mega Charizard X that he should have gotten and got released to fix Alain's mess. Ash-Greninja was too much of a failure to be a cheat.
>>59511650>words words wordsyes, that's the one I was referring to
>>59511488>>59511543>>59511561>>59511625Self inserters are seething because their ideal type of protagonist are just a cheat compared to Ash ketchum.
>>59511708Least delusional Ashfag
From what I have seen, most people here does not actually care about the anime & attack other for caring about the anime. This is why it does not matter how bad the current anime has gotten to them. In fact none of you have explained how the next anime would be better with a new protagonist or rather none of you know if new protagonist would make anything better. You guys just want protagonist rotation because its a trend & believe yourself to be somebody better & superior for wanting protagonist rotation.
>>59511843>Explaining anything>"Bla bla bla, doesn't count cause you want to believe it that way"Your entire attitude, retardation and faggotry is documented in the archive and playing dumb for attention after eviction is the outcome of your actions. Get a job.
>>59511843Tons of people explained it to you but you refuse to accept anything but your own opinion, retard autist
>>59511874Ya No, all they did was rant about anime never been good & criticize anybody caring about the anime, Truth is, you yourself know that new protagonist won't bring anything in Gen 10 anime.just like Navi & Uruto didn't add anything. You simply want MC rotation because you think that makes you sound smart..
>>59511892>Nooo you can't say the anime is bad because... I think it's not bad!!You are really too retarded to understand that people have different opinions from you, wowAlso it doesn't make anyone sound smart, what the fuck are you talking aboutPeople are just bored of Ash, it's literally that simple but you are unable to grasp the concept of someone not liking Ash cause he's your personal god
>>59511934>You are really too retarded to understand that people have different opinions from youCurrent hypeless state of anime series where new protagonist gets everything handed to them by doing "Hoge Hoge Hoge" while the series makes a mockery out of the pre-established world building, champions & legendary pokemon is not an opinion, it is a fact. >People are just bored of AshThe only people bored with him weren't actually fans of pokemon anime to begun with and their ideal protagonist are boring cardboards like Jin-Woo. The actual fans weren't bored with Ash just like Dragonball fans never gets bored with Goku .
>>59511892Ult was a good addition, he added friction to the group and made Roy a more interesting character by forcing him to become more mature. Roy and Liko by themselves were just getting along fine, it was boring. Ult's hotheaded personality makes the group dynamic more interesting, it was objectively a good choice from the writing team to add him.Unsure about Navi yet. She also adds friction with Ult, but it's very superficial. I also hate her design but that's just personal taste.
>>59511997>waah waaah I'm mad the protag isn't forced to job all the time and actually accomplishes things>waah waaah if you don't worship Ash you're just a fake fan and I don't accept your opinionI'd tell you to come up with new material but I know you're too mentally disabled to do that and will just repeat the same garbage over and over again
>>59512000>Ult was a good additionUruto add nothing to the story, he is just annoying comic relief that added in the show because Liko & Roy sucked & lacked fun. Nether his rivalry with Roy makes sense, nether his goal to catch Rayquaza or even his reason to join the RVT.
>>59512031>>waah waaah I'm mad the protag isn't forced to job all the time and actually accomplishes thingsOh ya , you want Mary Sue who does not need efforts to get anything. They just need to do Hoge Hoge Hoge and everything they want would fall to their lap so they could be inspiration to all the lazy losers that effort is unnecessary and the world will bend to them as long as them do Hoge Hoge Hoge long enough.
Why does this guy think Roy is the main character when it's clearly Liko? I've never seen anyone like or care about Roy.
>>59512034I explained what he adds to the story. It's not hard to understand.
>>59512104Liko & Roy both promoted as protagonist and both of them just as worse as the other. Liko gets Terapagos handed to her because of her special bloodline while Roy get Rayquaza because he did Hoge Hoge Hoge.
From my experience from /padt/ & social media, I can already tell if TPC prune Wonder Voyage after 22 episodes and makes an entire series on Serena flirting with Ash then that series will generate more hype than anything Pokemon 2023 could do and most of you already know that. This coming from me who happens to be the biggest offender of Amourshipping.
>>59511094Again can you think in any way beyond all or nothing? You know you can just ask for a better handled next MC without going back to milk to death a character right?Genuine under 18 posting.
>>59509389Yeah your spam replies to me where you legit can't think beyond the most basic idea of being all or nothing. Kill yourself 15 year old.
>>59511708IDK why you replied to me, the Ashnime is and always was dogshit. Replacing ash doesn't make it good.
>>59507360>Ashanime was a shitty anime aimed at kids used as advert for the games>Pokémon Horizons is a shitty anime aimed at kids used as advert for the gamesOP is either a schizo retard underage or possibly all 3
>>59512256And what make you think next protagonist would be better handled? Your entire idea is to gamble away another generation to bet another series on another uninteresting OC after Alain, Goh, Liko and Roy turned out to be massive disappointment. When an anime run for over 10 years with the same protagonist, they becomes the face of the anime & irreplaceable. Its like Sailor Moon replacing its entire cast because Precure did it or Toei trying to replace Goku. Especially when its a protagonist like Ash who went without any cheat for over 10 years which mean next protagonist can not be a Mary Sue or have any cheat.
>>59512313>Especially when its a protagonist like Ash who went without any cheat for over 10 years which mean next protagonist can not be a Mary Sue or have any cheat.Indian esl English detected, go back to shitting in the street, Pajeet
>>59512312it's /vp/ it's mostly spergs that still use this board unless you're here for a very specific kind of thread.
>>59512313The problem is he wasn't the protagonist to take poor fuckers through the new games, he was the character to introduce the kids to the world.And they decided on the overall to retire him and introduce a new character to do that for the kids, screaming and getting mad and shitting your nappy over him being binned won't actually make the curators of the tv show made specifically to show off Pokémon to children give a fuck. They outright said they were ignoring the spastic blowback, as it was time to put him to pasture.
>>59512263>>59512312> Likonime failed to match the charm & hype of Ashnime. > " B-but Ashnime always sucked cause I said so , Y-you can't criticize Likonime B-because because I don't like Ashnime". That's your entire argument ? You can't defend Likonime so you just gonna trash Ashnime? Truth is , Original Ashnime was one of the most successful anime which is why it was extended for over 23 years and it came out at a time when Pokemon still didn't reach its height. You simply don't like Ashnime because it does not follow your personal standard for what anime supposed to be in your eyes . Like a guy who hates Re:Zero because it broke all the formula of a generic isekai anime and become something different rather than a wish fulfillment power fantasy.
>>59512104Roy is also the main character as both him and Liko was reveal at the same time. Everyone agrees that Liko is the MAIN MC as she's the reason the story is moving forward. The thing is, the anime had a timeskip and during the post timeskip, Roy was getting the most attention. He's the new leader of the group and the reason why everyone is back together after the team split up. He also get a shiny Lucario who can mega evolved. That's why Famon keep saying Roy is MC. But here's the thing, there is a difference on how the series focus on them. The first half of the series (pre timeskip) is 89 episodes and focus on Liko while the second half (post timeskip) is 47 episodes and focus on Roy. Even in the end, Liko get the most focus and is the definitive answer of a MC. Now we have the next arc, Wonder Voyage, where we got a new character called Navi. We just started this arc and so far, we don't know who will get the most attention as the series go on but we do know that this is the last saga for the series before Winds and Waves.
>>59512346They're both steaming hot dogshit. I don't care about the anime and never have. I went back and watched S1 of the anime recently and it was miserable, it doesn't hold up at all even in the original Japanese. It's just boring, formulaic slop, and there is zero chance that changed when they changed from Ash to Liko.Your entire argument is it used to be better, and you're just fucking wrong. At best, you're baiting like a little subhuman gigafaggot. At worst, you're delusional. The Pokemon Anime, regardless of protagonist, is the most generic, boring, paint-by-numbers slop.
This entire thread is just one ESL having a nuclear melty because people don't like his generic shonen husbandos.
>>59512341>The problem is he wasn't the protagonist to take poor fuckers through the new games, he was the character to introduce the kids to the world.Then he would not have gone past Indigo Saga yet he carried the show though eight generation. >And they decided on the overall to retire him and introduce a new character to do that for the kidsYou mean butchering the lore of the legendary pokemon to glorify bunch of trash OC that has nothing interesting to actually attract an audience..
What are your thoughts on shipping Famon.
>>59507360....He will only appear in the Final Tournament Champions/Masters Arc of LikoRoyime as part of the semifinalist, and that's it.
>>59512572>I don't care about the anime and never haveWhich mean none of your opinion on anime series matters. In fact, why are you even here? You don't care about the anime then its fine but that doesn't mean you have the right to attack & criticize people who does care about the anime.
>>59512639Based on Ash's character & personality, a girl like Diana Cavendish is a better match for him as a love interest who has a clash of ideals against him. That's way their relationship & romance will feel like an actual part of the story and not something extra subplot that the anime just add for attention.
>>59512645>Which mean none of your opinion on anime series matters.On the contrary, the fact it has done nothing to make me care about it despite me giving it an honest shot speaks volumes to its lack of quality.>that doesn't mean you have the right to attack & criticize people who does care about the anime.I will absolutely mock idiots who jerk off bad media. The Pokemon Anime is, in fact, bad media. It is poorly written, formulaic garbage.
>>59512678>the fact it has done nothing to make me care about itWell just because you have a bad taste does not mean Ashnime was bad. >I will absolutely mock idiots who jerk off bad mediaYou know what this is called/ This is called trolling.
>>59512673I guess Akko is a bit like Ash.
Fake ashfags can't handle the fact that the only time he'd ever be back is for potential nostalgiabait reasons, but even that's a very low possibility. Real ashcels have accepted that he's never coming back ages ago.>>59512673Based Little Witch mention
These self-inserters like to paint Ash as some harem lord, but he doesn't even get with anyone. Not even the girl who was pinning for him completely and even kissed him unexpectedly. I don't get it lol
>>59512699I have legitimate criticisms of the anime. Every episode is formulaic to a fault; each episode starts with a very basic and childish conflict that causes Team Rocket to get an idea to do a crime, they try to do the crime, pikachu zaps them, they blast off, the conflict is resolved. The conflict is always resolved through ash doing some hippie-dippie bullshit or winning a battle. Sometimes, he gets a new pokemon out of it. It's very bland, very boring, and the characters are all boring, bland, one-note nobodies, including ash who is somehow even more boring than every isekai protagonist combined. The kid makes Kirito from SAO look like a well-written character which is depressing.Then there's the animation. While it's not quite on the level of cheap of Digimon Adventure, it's definitely close. It looks ugly, the style itself is incredibly bland for the humans (the pokemon are, at least usually, on model but they're the selling point, not the humans), and overall it's just unimpressive and cheap for its time. This was the mid-late 90s where animation was starting to improve in quality and production value but it can't even compare to something from earlier like the OG Dragon Ball, which was way more expressive and... well, animated than the pokemon anime.Really, the most memorable part of the pokemon Anime is from the dub, and it's Mewtwo. Even in the Japanese Mewtwo is the most competently-written part of the original season of the anime, and all Ash does in that movie is job and die like a bitch then get brought back by deus ex waterworks. Again, dogshit writing.You're allowed to like shit media, but I am also allowed to mock you for it. And the Pokemon Anime is fucking awful. It doesn't matter if it's Ash or Liko or one of the game protagonists, just like the games Pokemon's anime has never been good, it's always been cheap cost-cutting nonsense made with the bare minimum of effort and the lowest possible quality, and faggots like (you) eat it up.
>>59507360Ash is dead and burried forever They didn't even include him in the anime section for the pokemon day lol
Look man, I love Ashy boy. But (You) are literally insane. Please kys.
>>59513025>the games were never goodLeast convincing ragebait.
>>59507360they don't even have to bring back ashhe was just okaythey just need to go back to the previous style of character designs instead of appeasing the amerimutt-favelamonkey-spic audiencenothing good has come from appeasing these losersevery single game franchise has become significantly worse by trying to appease the modern mutt audiencejust make a boy that looks like a boy, make a girl that looks like a girlenough with these tumblr gender troon personas that only mutts find attractive
>>59513103>>>/pol/ is that way spicanon
>>59513111Now without crying like a littwe bwaby
>>59511482His Pikachu is a Mew.
Ash is like in his late 30s now. He wasn't really a child when teh show originally started he very well could have been an adult, it's just that the show creators don't do age to the main characters, they are just their souls or spirits. Because it would seem weird if they were all rightfully fully grown.
>>59507754Does this work?
>if you don't love the ashnime your opinion is invalidLeast delusional autist
>>59513025>Every episode is formulaic to a fault;That's how long running weekly anime remains long running and released new episodes every week. Even Precure does the same despite changing protagonist.>Then there's the animation. While it's not quite on the level of cheap of Digimon Adventure, it's definitely close. It looks ugly, the style itself is incredibly bland for the humansExcuse me, you seriously think a weekly anime can cook up animation like a seasonal show? Do you even understand how expensive, time consuming and hard to make one episode?>Really, the most memorable part of the pokemon Anime is from the dub, and it's Mewtwo.That's not the memorable part, that was Ash declaring to be Pokémon Master to folk of Spearow in first episode.>You're allowed to like shit media, but I am also allowed to mock you for it.No you don't.You don't like Pokémon media then don't come to Pokémon board. Just because you don't like Pokémon doesn't mean everybody else have to hate it.
>>59512346I'm trashing both because both are shit.>You simply don't like Ashnime because it does not follow your personal standard for what anime supposed to be in your eyes . Like a guy who hates Re:Zero because it broke all the formula of a generic isekai anime and become something different rather than a wish fulfillment power fantasy.>using a shit show from a shit genre as a way to excuse a shit anime from an entirely different genre
>>59514080>using a shit show from a shit genre> Re:ZeroYep, opinion discarded.
>>59512966Because of a sudden anime, I have realized that harem is pointless if the most beautiful and amazing girl is taken by a side character. So I prefer an anime that has single heroine but that girl is so beautiful and well written that MC won't even need a freaking harem. Much better than wasting 10 year on a harem anime to watch multiple girl having a battle royale over a brick wall only for him to pick the least beautiful & interesting girl out of all of them. Unfortunately when Pokemon finally decided to give Ash an actual love interest, they pick the absolute worst people to handle it.
Likoflop killed the weekly format, kek
>>59514530That MC is Liko and that girl is Dot.
>>59512572>there is zero chance that changed when they changed from Ash to Liko.Well, it did change in a majorly positive way. The anime finally unslopped itself and became watchable with Liko and her yuri harem.
>>59513103Stay in your containment board /pol/ard
>>59509836>Pokemon will always introduce new stronger trainer & Champion so Ash will never run out of rivals to battle.This is exactly the line of thinking that forced them to retire Ash, he was never supposed to be a world champion or anything close to the sort, he was supposed to be the plucky underdog scraping by in a world that was a lot bigger than him and Pokemon didn’t want to be a battle shonen anime like that.
>>59515974Except there were nowhere for the series to go after DP series without progressing Ash's character further. As I said , people watch pokemon anime to see how strong Ash gets and not for an actual story just like a battle shonen like Dragonball so if he stop progressing then the series fall apart and loses its driving force. Do you think Dragonball would go anywhere if they decided to keep Goku weak instead of him going super Saiyan to defeat space tyrant. Remember that Pokémon 2023 would have done better if Ash was the protagonist in place of Roy. Ash defeating and catch black Rayquaza would felt like the natural progression to his character after he became world champion instead off Roy just catch it by doing Hoge Hoge Hoge.
>>59516001You are not supposed to engage with Pokemon like DBZ it simply isn’t meant to be watched that way and isn’t meant to be sat down and watched as a continuous story.
>>59516046That's where you are wrong, Pokemon anime was always supposed be engaged with DBZ. The problem is that you keep engaging Pokemon with Digimon because both has monsters and Mon at the end of their title. That is why you keep on insisting Pokemon anime to rotate protagonist because digimon did it. But fundamentally pokemon & digimon are different. Digimon Adventure always about a group of character driving away evil forces and never focused on a single protagonist. While Pokemon was entirely about a single protagonist's journey throughout the pokemon world and his growth as a trainer. Protagonist rotation never works on long running anime on a single protagonist's story. This is why Boruto flopped, this is why Youkai Watch Shadowside flopped, this is why Gohan couldn't replaced Goku despite being well received.
>>59507360Too late: Leaks confirms a prequel cour series for WiWa.
>>59516536Pic related:>>59516554 >>59516557 >>59516560
>>59516536>>59516576I'm pretty sure is a short anime like Paldean Winds.
ash cant come back because rica matzumoto, blame her
>>59516576perfecto!the "modern ugly transgender transsexual" audience will LOVE it!
The anime fell off after ash stopped using the reserves (and continuity as a whole stopped mattering). The problem with resetting the status who is resetting the amount of invested viewers too. DP anime was great at this but BW onwards dropped the ball. Reserves should at least have a league or battle frontiers-esque challenge to thrive per series. I’d go further and say they should’ve appeared a bit more besides that. Orange Islands had Muk show up for a search mission. Johto had episode of the day tourneys for kingler, snorlax, and Tauros. Hoenn had Bulbasaur show up as a mentor to Mays bulbasaur. Basically just do more of that. Old characters should’ve had more of a presence too. Like if they can tie Brandon to Paul’s story, they can make literally anyone show up and have it work.
>>59516576could be real because those design are fucking dogshit and in line with modern TPC/GF trash
>>59516841The anime fell off after Brock left.
>>59516868More like modern tranime
>>59507394Based.
What would have changed with Ash joined RVT at the start of Horizons?
>>59507360Animation studios became too used to the seasonal format. So now even productions of 24 episodes series are scheduled with two cour in mind separated by several cours.Even series like one piece decide to go with the format run a couple of cours, stop, run a couple of cours, stop.Is not about pokemon, is not about Ash, is about the industry changed.Thanks to covid they tasted how it feels to have more comfortable schedules and being able to interact with other departments online or through messegengers only without having to interact too much between them phisically, and they are not going to roll back.That's the sad truth
>>59519354This, it has nothing to do with ratings any more than it have to do with the change of industry standards.
Pokémon Horizons is a literal fever dream. Amethio is worse at crime than Team Rocket and his big strategy is sticking a fancy chandelier on his Ceruledge. Liko has zero achievements and just stands there looking confused while her pendant turns into a turtle and a strange man rescues her. The adults are such bums they go into a literal mid-life financial crisis over airship gas money. Roy's singing sounds like a broken trombone straight out of a garbage can's Spotify playlist, but a shiny Rayquaza (which looks like an overcooked marshmallow covered in lead glitter) loves it. The big boss looks like a random guy wearing a bath towel with a fake ID. Finally, Ult is so broke he feeds gems to a goblin maniac and has to keep his main dragon in a giant tomato berry because a Poké Ball is out of his budget.
>>59519548Half of the shit you said is made up
>>59519548What about Dot.
>>59515974>Pokemon didn’t want to be a battle shonen anime like that.>>59516046>You are not supposed to engage with Pokemon like DBZFinally someone identifies where it all went wrong for the anime. It should have been a shonen like DBZ. The anime and franchise as a whole would have been way better off.
>>59516536>Too late: Leaks confirms a prequel season series for WW.Ftfy.
>>59507360> Not in the show > Still gets shipped Imagine if Ash actually met Sango.
>>59507360We all know if Ash was there, he would make this girl to be the battle junkie she want to be, without be evil. No different from Ash and Nemona
>>59520460just because Sango's VA is Pikachu's VA
>>59512134Man, you made me spit my coffee lmao
Stop bumping the schizo's thread
>>59520773We love Ash in this general
Liko is the first anime lead who needs a prescription for anti-anxiety meds more than a Pokéball. Her inner monologues are so long and depressing you’d think you’re watching a teenage drama instead of a Pokémon show. Roy’s entire personality is just screaming "WOW!" at rocks and carrying around a rusty old Pokéball like a toddler with a security blanket.The "Cool" Adult: Friede looks like a middle-aged guy trying way too hard to look cool at a anime convention. He flies a literal blimp because he’s clearly not allowed within 500 feet of a normal school. Captain Pikachu exists purely because the writers knew the new characters had the collective charisma of a wet cardboard box, so they slapped a sailor hat on a Pikachu to trick you into watching.The Explorers are the least threatening villains in anime history. Team Rocket used to blast off into the sky; these guys just get outsmarted by a teenager and a literal… cat, then they go home to cry about it.The "Action": They replaced the original series with a show about a bunch of unemployed adults running a flying daycare center.
>>59521048 nah… A MIDDLE AGED ADULT, trying to look cool at a anime comic convention is crazy.
They should have switched him out with Gold and his rapist fire mouse decades ago
Imagine Sango & Onyx meeting TRio --> TRio are running another food truck.> Sango shows up & angry that they run out of her favorite pastry and demand them to make one for her right now. > Jessie tries to calm her down until she gets called "Hag" by Sango which cause her to lash out until James and Meowth grabbed her from behind to stop her. > Onyx shows up and picks up Sango as he berate her for making a scene. > James & Onyx took a glance at each other and instinctively realize that both of them are stuck dealing with troublesome females. > They silently nob at each other as Onyx take Sango away while James hold Jessie back. Both female continues to shout at each other.
>>59512966tbf, with the way he ended up being written with a new female companion every season, that allusion was basically unavoidable. Most of the audience end up calling a primarily female cast + sole male MC as harems even when the male MC doesn't officially dates them. It wasn't until BW that they ended up replacing Brock with another male companion, but the damage was already done.And honestly? He PROBABLY could have had his own harem or romanced with most of his female companions if he wasn't acesexual. Then again, the writers backpedaled between writing Ash as a loser or a secret chaotic genius so I could see certain versions of Ash getting the Johnny Bravo treatment
>>59521048Thanks for the input, ChatGPT.
This fucking creep keep reviving this damn thread just to repeat the same opinion, but word it differently and post his fanfiction about how great Ash is and how everyone love him. What the fuck?
>>59507360>without a single special privileges.Why do hispanics love this generic character so much
You have to be an idiot if you think it's impossible to write a Pokemon anime without Ash
>>59521600Ash is the most epic character written in fiction second to Sonic.
He's still at it.
>>59521911This is the most autistic thing I ever read
>>59509836Ash had to use his weaker mons he just picked off the street a month ago so no Leon had a huge fucking advantage while using his own gimmicks
>>59523189How come?
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>>59523232Who told you that Leon didn't used his weaker pokemon he also picked up from the street?
>>59520773>Stop bumping the schizo's thread
>>59516841>>59517616It was the lack of connecting threads to prior series. BW tried to start this trend but had to change course at the end. XY is the biggest offender, no continuity outside of one brief reference to Dawn's Piplup. Sun and Moon had the Brock and Misty return but nothing else. And Journeys did the same thing as BW but it was too little too late.The solution is to change the anime to a seasonal format, 26 episodes a year. Bring back Ash as the main character and have him rotate his mons about every episode. Every year is a new arc based on whatever they wanna advertise. Rope other characters (Like traveling companions and rivals) into the arc. Basically have the chance to wrap up loose ends from the Ashime (Underdeveloped mons, scores Ash has to settle, stuff like the GS Ball), while also being able to tell a story without having to put in the work of growing a character from point A to B.
>>59516576>barefoot loliI will now watch your anime
>>59516576>>59524144I have a feeling that sheet is just mean to portray her indoors, but if she turns out to actually always be barefoot that would be incredible.
>>59524121>The solution is to change the anime to a seasonal format, 26 episodes a year.Not enough time for newbie protagonist to be strong enough win 8 badge or even reach same level as the first gym leaders. Even May and Dawn weren't gym leaders level at many episodes despite being game protagonist.
