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Fairy against Fairy Action Edition

Pokémon Champions is a free to play online battle simulator available on Switch and mobile. It features ranked, casual and private battles for both singles and doubles, and will be used for VGC tournaments in 2026.

>News
Enter HAJ1MAR1G1FT for a free 100 Quick Coupons and CHAMP10N for a free Machamp.


>Resources and useful links
Community Tournaments usage data: https://pikalytics.com/
Ladder usage data: https://pokechamdb.com/en

New Player Guide(NEW PEOPLE READ THIS):
https://rentry.org/pcg-guide (now taking suggestions and feedback)
Anon made guide for brand new players to make a viable team with the starting pokemon: https://teamsheet.gg/t/sample-beginner-reg-b-vl3698

Quick FAQ
>Do I need my own Pokémon to play?
No, the game features a recruitment system, but transferring from Home is recommended to save time and resources.
>What makes the game so much more accessible than before?
All aspects of a Pokémon are customizable with VP, a currency earned simply by playing the game. IVs are also removed.
Ask in the thread if you want any specific Pokémon, and someone will respond.
>Is there single player content?
No.
>Do I need a Nintendo Online subscription?
No.
>What's the starter pack?
US$6.99 one time purchase for 50 training tickets (fully train for free), 30 Teammate Tickets (recruit Pokemon without using VP), 50 extra box space and the LGPE trainer music. Only available on Switch for now.
>Is anything locked behind a paywall?
So far everything gameplay relevant is also purchasable with VP. Only E-Floette require ZA transfer.

>/pcg/ OP pastebin (use this if making new thread):
https://pastebin.com/d2FJZdPh

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There is one item Champions needs to add next round, and we all know what it is
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Dead
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>head smash HYDREIGON
holy meme extreme
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How viable is free to play with no poemon available to import?
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>>59510790
Completely viable. If you can't function at all without a full team of meta mons you're gonna be annoyed the first two weeks or so, but resources are thrown at you constantly.
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The game for sure favors people who buy the battle pass. Buying makes you hit harder, survive more, and always get bonus effects.
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>>59510995
Unless they put up Red's fit, or Cynthia's fit, I'm good.
I already got Canari's.
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Master Ball is full of faggots. Fuck this horseshit dead game.
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What's a good EV spread for Mega Garde?
I've tried the 32 HP, 28 Def and 6 SpA, and now trying the 16 HP, 2 Def, 32 SpA, 16 Spe one, but it always feels like I run into the most absurd spreads.
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>>59510790
if you really cant manage with the free stuff you get at the start, just get pokemon go to get some stuff to put up to trade in pokemon home
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>m-blastoise only takes 25% from an adamant max atk aegislash shadow sneak even after shell smashing
>forced to helplessly watch as it one shots everything else one by one with dark pulse
that turtle that I fucking hate
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>opponent needs rock slide flinch to win, there is no other path
>they get it
>EVERY
>SINGLE
>FUCKING
>TIME
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>>59511466
I fought one that outsped my max Timid Charizard twice in a row, so this game can go fuck itself I fucking hate the coin flip bullshit
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>>59511500
the same after this my opponent got 2 necessary full paras in a row

this game unironically has manipulated RNG, there is no way
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>>59511500
>opponent always hits Heatwave and Rock Slide
>even with enhanced Evasion through Sand Veil and Bright Powder
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>>59511533
I've seen opponent rock slide miss, but I don't think I've seen charizard heat wave miss ever after several hundred games
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>>59511547
I've seen a Torkoal's Heatwave miss. But he's not the golden turd of TPCi.
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>>59511500
hax wins are so satisfying when you're the one getting them
>on the back foot, surely about to lose if this ice beam doesn't fre-
>FREEZE
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>>59511601
>oh hell yeah free-
>opponent thaws on the same turn
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How the fuck do I get into MB3 and up. Made it into MB4 every season and just want to fucking figure it out. Of course this bullshit game has no learning resources and YouTube is full of faggots.

Started at 53k this season and now 85K, want to freak the fuck out.
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>>59511621
Right there with you anon
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i'm not enjoying the huge wave of helping hand farigirafs that seem to be in vogue right now
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if you think about it, every pokemon that carries fake out, encore, wide guard or follow me basically has 5 move slots, because a smart opponent is going to behave as if you have it even if you don't actually use it
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>meta tar survives a 4x effective max atk adamant aegislash sacred sword
dude how fucking tanky is this thing jesus h christ
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>>59511621
If you're unwilling to watch people who are better than you explain their thought process as they win, take your own notes when you play. Keep track of your opponents teams, what you thought they were going to lead and bring, what they actually lead and brought, what you brought against them, and what you found effective when you won or what you think you could have done differently if you lost. Don't dwell on hax because shit happens and it's out of your control. Do try to find something you could have done better, because it'll help you think about the game and because it is in your control and thus you can improve on it.

If you don't want to get super sweaty about it, you can take a minute after each match and do all of the above mentally before moving on to the next one.
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Shit Game
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>>59511823
oh he's base 100hp/150def
why is this allowed holy shit
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>foul play grimmisnarl
NIGGA WHY YOU HAVE BASE 120 ATTACK
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This game was supposed to be a gateway to new competitive players and GookFreak can’t even include a list of mega Pokémon abilities into the game as a menu. Assholes. New players are leaving because what about this game helps them to learn and improve - nothing.
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>opponent has tyranitar
>it never attacks and just gets switched in and out as bait for fighting type attacks so ghost/fairy partners can switch in and resetting sand

600bst to be a glorified pelipper, and yet it works sometimes
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>>59511930
no see, there are MISSIONS. Daily AND weekly.
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>>59511932
Not only that, there's usually one pokemon at MOST in the team that takes advantage of it. And Excadrill feels so bad to use.
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>finally set up a niche low tier ish team you enjoy full of your favorites that has some anti meta traits
>game sends out several literal full counterpick comps that are almost so specifically hard counters it seems like the game intentionally chose them
>switch to meta team
>game matches you against anti meta low tier ish teams with several hard counterpicks
>play weather based team
>game matches you against double weather control comps that you never saw when playing either of the other two teams you had

I hate when I can sense EOMM in a game. The same shit happened in League, Rivals, etc. I would just check my teammates' winrates after I won and see 30%ers constantly and I could tell EOMM was just trying to even my win rate out and I can tell the same exact thing is happening here. Insane that some absolute nigger created this idea and it is now being forced through all online competitive games
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Do you use every shiny even when it's objectively uglier than the normal pokemon?
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>>59512056
>>59511932
I have him to keep my Houndstone speedy fast, but even that is less important than covering up Sun/Rain to cuck Solarbeam/Electro Shot

Snow and Sand essentially just play the all-important role of turning off the actually meta weathers, with the only advantage over just using Sun/Rain yourself being the whole planet isn’t building to counter you. Really makes you wish there were more Cloud Nine mons, they’d really shine here
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>am ranking up consistently with a shit team where my only strategy is to be as annoying as possible and opportunistically get damage
At what rank do I start encountering sweats?
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>>59512109
I'll be honest, Altaria is probably the best we got with Cloud Nine right now. And it's not even that bad, with Tailwind and Will-o-Wisp.
Houndstone is a pretty good choice too, but after that Sand team got popular, everybody forgot about it.
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>>59512132
Team is just shit I threw together
- 'Cha - I like bulky troll grass, I even run strength sap
- 'Roar from my old Moon save - Fake out + Parting shot machine
- Shiny Kingambit I caught in SV
- Mega Frosslass - Just spams blizzard and does aurora veil
- Mega TTar - Just sets sand, mega because why not
- Garchomp - Sand veil, faster than M-CharY
I just usually lead Roar and Cha, back two are whatever weather seems more useful + a helper. The main battle loop I do is cyclicing incineroar in and out of battle as much as possible to piss my opponents off, using Sinistcha to be bulky and spread other debuffs. I run strength sap because I just like that move.
I don't even really know why this even works, and honestly I just make the most obvious plays possible because I suspect people don't expect the obvious
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>>59512149
Your team is honestly pretty meta. Kingambit and Garchomp are the most used pokemon at the moment, with Sinistcha and Incineroar in the top 10. The megas are unusual, since if you're setting up sand you could use Mega Garchomp, but Frosslass works by itself perfectly fine. Things should start getting annoying around Ultra Ball.
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>>59512159
I just don't really enjoy megas much, I don't know why. M-Frosslass has to mega for snow, so that's just a given, but TTar can just skip it entirely. I chose life orb for chomp just because I remember M-Chomp being shitty from back in gen 6.
Snow and Sand are kind of interesting because they increase the bulk of the setters, with aurora veil M-Frosslass has effectively +4 defense and +2 special defense, so with incineroar debuffing everything it's surprisingly long living.
TTar baiting fighting when I have 'Cha just works out really well, I don't even mind the sand chip.
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>>59512064
It would be great if GameFuck saved any record of previous matches so you could learn and grow and understand what type of opponents you get matched with.

But GameFuck are so incompetent they have no fucking clue what the game should include. Absolute fuckers who have the most profitable IP and sneeze out brain dead garbage every fucking year
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I still equate this to an open beta. I think we're actually going to see some good content besides new Pokemon in September.
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>>59512185
I don’t think the casuals / all the new players they wanted to join will care by then
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>>59512169
I guess that's my main gimmick, I don't have a win condition, I just try to disrupt whatever strategy my opponent is doing, then win by attrition through bulk and chip. Me using the two bad weathers is part of that, I get to control weather without helping my opponent.
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>>59512185
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They need to add a setting to tell Tatori to shut the fuck up, they really made some asinine decisions with this vapor ware
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I wish they would just add a thumbs up emote for the end of battle so I can give people GGs when they earn it
I saw one guy with an ally switch team on the ladder and I was rooting for him the entire time
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This game feels so dead
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i did a cool experiment
out of my last 20 matches my opponents got 14 crits
i got 2 :)
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>>59512322
I know forced win/loss ratio based RNG manipulation is real, I just can't prove it
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>trade floette for a ZA shiny
>it was from GO
fuck that guy
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>>59512523
What was it? Normally what ball it's caught in is the easiest tell.
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MB3 isn’t worth it if you need to pick faggots like Torkoal and Staraptor
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>>59512576
beldum in ultraball
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is inner focus annihilape possibly better than defiant?
since focus invalidates intimidate anyway and most incineroars are scared to enter on him, and rage fist eventually kills everything even without the boosts

avoiding rock flinch spam seems like it could be more useful
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>>59512697
Dawg, if your opponent's best strategy to beat you is to just hope for the 20% flinch with a resisted move on something as bulky as Ape, chances are you're in an overwhelmingly advantageous position where a single flinch isn't going to do much but delay the inevitable.
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>>59512705
I've definitely had it matter against something like excadrill that can kill it with a high horsepower after rock slide, but not a bad point
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The finals for the /pcg/ draft league are starting soon. First we have Jams and Haffi playing for 3rd place before Clamsy and Sneed fight in the final to win the league

stream is here https://www.youtube.com/live/HKyWWIhua64 or you can spectate in the room itself if its too choppy 3908 3666
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>>59512747
for reference the teams of the final 2 contestants are


>Clamsy
-Garchomp
-Glimmora
-Gyarados
-Orthworm
-Salazzle
-Decidueye
-Rotom fan
-Volcarona
-Chesnaught
-Cofagrigus


>Sneed
-Blastoise
-Sinistcha
-Scrafty
-Noivern
-Oranguru
-Diggersby
-Morpeko
-Garbodor
-Bastiodon
-Delphox
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>>59512751
basec my man cofaggitgrigus
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>it's the swim team troon with the mono water/rain shiny and dive ball autism again
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>>59512139
Unironically, Golduck will be amazing when it releases. A water type that has a lot to deal with most weather setters and common weather teams.
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>>59513156
Stats arent good. Too easy to kill. But i guess with the right anti meta setup and plays you could make it work right now
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>Hop on for the day
>Lose games due to; 30% bad reads, 30% hax, 40% people using disingenuous meta teams + 1 curveball mon
>Declare all opponents talentless fags
>End session at same rank as I started
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The rolls can be absolutely wild in this game.
>running a Minimize Sandaconda set with Wrap (for reference, 90% acc)
>earlier in the battle
>Sandaconda used Wrap. It missed!
>ok
>Sandaconda used Wrap. It missed!
>What the fuck!
>later the same battle, Sylveon comes in
>Sylveon used Psyche Up!
>Ah, clever! Copy my maximum evasion!
>Sandaconda used Wrap
>It hits
>...
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Decided to draw out my Champions team.
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Your team is male only right?
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>>59513482
cute! :3
i like raichus bow
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>>59512056
Houndstone and Lycanroc-Day are solid alternatives to Excadrill.
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>>59513482
Very, very cute stuff anon.
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imagine coming here, to this very thread, and making long blog posts about your team. your team which uses almost all the most meta pokemon that you then explain, like we don't know what the fucking nigger cup does and how the gay red guy works. fuck off, child
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Dead Game
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>>59513997
>make no notable updates
>make no notable events
>still missing basic features like watching replays which they are on record saying they have no intention of implementing anytime soon
>can't even sort your fucking box
I watched yugioh bungle master duel's release and didn't think I'd ever see anything worse but this is...this is pretty close.
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If they ever make a restricted format, I'm ready. I genned all legendary shinies.
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>>59514009
Glad I'm not the only one thats getting Master Deul vibes from this lazy ass dev team
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>>59514058
Duel*
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using skill swap on sylveon/m-gardevoir with an all ghost team is funny

clicking the shut UP bitch button
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>>59514009
>>59514058
Master Duel runs circles around this game.
>Monetization is more or less optional if you play a lot
>In game currency actually is usable
>Regular updates
>Events and themed challenges to keep it interesting.
>Single player content to teach you how to play certain archetypes
>Decent sized amount of decks you can make before running out.
Basically everything MD did right Champions did wrong.
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>>59514135
If master duel would actually support alternative/time wizard formats in a more permanent fashion...
I have far more fun playing during events then playing the actual format.
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my phone can't run champions
can I bring my desktop to tournaments?
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>>59512585
Why ya cryin'
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>>59514165
Console-only
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>>59514171
bummer
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top 10 pokemon played by cum guzzling faggots:
- basculegion
- kingambit
- sinistcha
- milotic
- farigiraf
- specifically that one sylveon that has yawn for some reason
- overkwil
- kingambit again because fuck you
- gholdengo
- blastoise (only with farigiraf)
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>>59514223
Perish trap is pretty gay. I won one because my last Pokémon was the slowest one on the field though when everyone went down.
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Why do nips slightly change Garchomp's name like アブリアス or バブリアス. Is that some kind of meme over there?
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>running ghost team
>repeatedly run into scrappy kangaskhan teams, teams with like 3 or 4 normal types, farig teams

I refuse to believe this is a coincidence
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I hate sneasler and basculegion. They are awful mistakes.
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>>59514299
Dire Claw is a bit annoying but it was way worse before. Last Respects is stupid, it should have some kind of drawback.
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>>59514223
Hold the phone... I'm out of the loop. Has Overqwil suddenly become popular? I've never seen it brought.
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>>59514343
It's not popular, there's a gimmick set with Minimize and it's super annoying to deal with.
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>>59514343
there's a specific stalling team that uses it with audino, sometimes mega malamar, it's not that hard to counter if you're prepared for it but it's pure cancer faggotry if you're not

except for the one guy I ran into running life orb offensive overkwil, whatever the fuck that was
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Fucking hate this game. MB4 sucks and I hate all of my opponents. Suck ass bullshit. So fucking cool to see Excadrill and Delpox faggots everywhere
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Fucking sick of everything learning Rock Slide. Horrible balance.
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Pokemon needs to be rebalanced as a whole for this to become a real thing anyone cares about. "Managing luck" is not a real skill anyone should have to build and you are a fucking faggot if you have ever told anyone to do that. The critical hits, the flinches, the misses etc that are supposed to "give little Timmy a chance" are the things he will literally put the game down forever over the first time it screws him.

Remove random flinches. Remove critical hits unless the move specifically has a crit modifier. Remove miss chance. Rebalance. You have a billion dollar franchise; you can hire people to do this. Leave the single player games as is and just fix this shit.
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>>59514371
As much as I don’t want to use Pelliper, shutting down sun, ice and sand and Wide Guard is all so good together. Even if they overwrite your weather, it’s generally more about forcing them to behave predictably than benefiting off the rain itself.
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>>59514299
The fact that these mons have been in since the beginning out of all the mons that've been cut, shows to me they give zero fucks about balancing
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>every time I see someone ask online what they should do to counter farigiraf, the answer is just "bring your own farigiraf"
wow great thanks, very cool meta

>>59514395
finally found the guy I fought named "RemoveCrits"
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>>59514224
I've noticed that most people running that strat don't know that ghost types are immune to shadow tag, and I've leaned into that. I've had multiple people forfeit when perish song just does nothing, since they didn't consider the possibility of failure.
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okay as someone who doesn't use garchomp or basculegion, h-arcanine is starting to kinda piss me off
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>if you double focus (required to kill unless you have le kleavor meme) farig, its partner rapes you
>if you try to just ignore the giraffe it sets up psychic terrain and spams expanding force

I do not care for this farig set I've been seeing
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>>59514550
I had somebody use this set on me and the damage boost from psychic terrain turned my farig’s twin beam into a 2hko on his Staraptor because he didn’t think about the damage boost it was really funny.
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>>59514223
how did I forget to put screens archaludon on here, it's the actual number 1
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>>59514421
Fucking This
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People here complain about Jap players but it's American players around the off work time that play with all these fuckass sets. I avoid both that and peak Jap hours.
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It's best to avoid the game completely
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>>59514421
>cut Sneasler and Basc
>”omg but I don’t want to use Charizard”
>Cut Charizard
>omg I don’t wanna use Kinggambit
>”cut Kinggambit”
>”omg I don’t wanna use Overqwil”

How far down the list do we gotta go to make you happy
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>>59514846
Realistically the devs should look at the top 30% of used pokemon and simply cut them out and replace them with new ones from season to season. Then the bottom 5% should be reviewed for buffs from season to season.
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>>59512585
Torkoal is based though, mega raptor isn't even that good with all its exploitable weaknesses, just don't let it start BOOOSTING and you can set up calm mind with primarina or some shit cause the whims rarely run encore if on a mega raptor team
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>>59514846
Literally just nerf basculegion, if annihilape gets Rage Fist nerfed then either remove LR from basculegions movepool or nerf the BP increase per fainted teammate of LR at the expense of nerfing Houndstone
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>>59514790
True, I have for the past week, its comfortable looking on the outside
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>>59514790
>>59514914
I tend to make better in game decisions between a break, all those queued up games going win loss win loss win loss start to pay off and I breakthrough whatever elo I was hard walled at when I resume playing
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>azumaril gets flare blitz burnt and iron head flinched before it gets off a BD where it would've raped the opp team and becomes a liability instead
Just part of the game I guess
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>>59514936
Same
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>>59514953
belly drum is kind of a meme in doubles for this reason, so much shit can happen
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I made mb2 early this season but now every time I play it's a huge losing streak with few wins peppered in
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>>59514550
If you're confidant they are going to TR, having roar on one of your pokemon usually fucks up their game plan pretty hard.
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>>59514999
nothing I have learns roar rip
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Worlds predictions? What mega is going to win it?
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>>59511692
Same as Cud Chew Farig. You give up the ability to guarantee hard switch in to block Fake Out, but opponents still sometimes respect your option anyways and they absolutely don't try it if you're already on the field.
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>>59515056
I think megaZardY has a 50% chance to win based on entrants alone.
It just depends on whether the recent meta development of running ancient power on Zard for the mirror completely knocks them out of contention. They have been feeling the pain from those mirror matchups.
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>>59511692
This is why they should buff the move scouting abilities. They're utterly trash right now. "Quivers"... Fuck that just tell me what move they have.
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>>59514223
you forgot grimm
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I only have 2-3 slots left in Home. I guess I need to save em up for Flutter mane, Mence and Tornadus I.
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>>59515236
I you what?
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>>59514846
It's just uppity Smogon refugees. You can tell because they're constantly demanding bans and seasonal tier shifts.
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I’m getting sick of the struggle to MB with my Psych Up meme team, the temptation to just blow holes with Raichu Y and be done with it is getting stronger by the day
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>>59515271
when you get to the point where you're not having fun something must change
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oops I let trick room go up with torkoal out guess I get to fucking die epic awesome game
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>>59515271
raichu Y tears holes into enemy teams it's pretty much mandatory to get to master ball
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>>59514395
it's existed as the rng fest it is since the start, it's not going to change now. perhaps this game just isn't for you? despite how complex the mind games and "tactics" can seem, it's truly not a competitive game in any sense. you're only torturing yourself by taking it so seriously
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I cant believe this game is gonna force me to get a Home sub.
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funny how you get to a point where recruits are worthless and yet they expect you to do them daily
like the only pokemon I do not have are the ones I will never actually build like lycanroc dark and the three sizes of pumpkaboo and yet they keep appearing frequently
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>>59514395
Competitive is for the sweaty piglets, not the little timmies. Get good, smogonfag
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>>59510679
>lose my 8 win streak to an overqwill evasion spamming nigger
is there a lamer strategy in singles?
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>>59515019
Get a roar farigiraf
>>59515643
In doubles I roar it out or taunt it
>>59515515
I only do them to try to find pokemon I want in the ball I use.
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Where can I look up the results of previous season leaderboards?
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if you play stalls on singles kindly end your miserable life right fucking now!!
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>>59515768
just crit bro
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>>59515776
Man, I need to make a Mega Slowbro team again
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>hop on ladder
>lose two
>win two
man I'll never get out of UB 1-2. I've been trying Kleavor but he needs speed control to be good
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I just got an Ash Greninja from Home. Better get that Salamence soon
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>>59515965
i still havent got around to transferring yet.
Spinda, Ash Gren and Pokeball Viv is the chase mons im targeting for
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>>59515972
There's a guy on plebbit doing a giveaway for shiny spinda rn on the Home sub kek nice dude
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can farigiraf players please make up their fucking mind on what item this thing holds so I know what to hit it with?
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>>59510679
You're retarded
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>rabdom trade gives a charizard from pokemon RBY virtual console
>does not get a title or anything in champions
lame
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>>59516263
being a CHARIZARD from gen 1 KANTO is already the highest honor
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>grimm+incin double fake out lead
this faggot needs to get shot
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Roast my team
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>>59516610
desu kind of just a wasted turn unless you lost a focus sash
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>>59516632
>tea guy and giraffe
you didn't beat the game
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>>59516707
Dragalge is doubles is pretty cute, do you lead every game with the fag giraffe?
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>>59516632
>Inceleroar
Thats all the roasting you deserve
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Are you going to document literally every single time you get outplayed?
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deciding which 4 moves to put on sableye is actually impossible
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>Last big tournament before worlds (had 1500~ players) had a dual Blastoise-Delphox Mega team get 1st and the dual Scovillian-Frosslass Mega team get 2nd
Maybe Worlds won't be a lame-ass Charizard-Y/Floette fest after all.
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>>59516931
It's gonna be teams over preparing for Zard and in the end Pikachu2 wins
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>>59516901
Why? You just tailor him to your team.
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>>59517191
there are always more than 4 useful moves for every team
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>>59516931
I feel like blastoise teams are underrated generally for how flexible and deceptive they can be, someone pulling it off would not surprise me at all
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>>59517210
You need to figure out your playstyle and what role you need him to play for most fights. That takes trial and error.
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>>59516931
I thought Blastoise was mid. What happened?
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>>59517219
It has shell smash and water spout. When would it be mid? It's slow enough to out slow in trick room. It's fast enough to outspeed after shell smash. It's tanky enough to survive before it shell smashes.
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farigiraf embodies everything I hate about gen 8 and beyond pokemon design from a competitive standpoint
they basically designed it around being the perfect trick room setter that outclasses the rest rather than another option with unique strengths and weaknesses

nothing else that learns TR and has that level of bulk has such a busted ability that lets you set it for free without even having to use a brain cell
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>>59516931
my girl delphox is winning the whole thing
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>>59517258
And yet Farigaraf is still not as good as Charizard Y (Gen 6) and Garchomp (Gen 4)
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>>59515430

Is he that good? I just had the funniest shit happen to me with one.

>playing rain
>opponent playing trick room
>farif sets it up
>mega evolves same turn
>my mega swampert is now slower so it goes first
>EQ one shots it before it does anything
>concedes

Why did he do that, hes the faster mon by far I'm so confused. UB 3 btw so I guess people are still dumb here.
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>>59516931
How many blastoise teams total in the top 32?
How many Zard Y teams?
Sometimes people just have breakout performances or the team is piloted by someone incredible.
Part of Charizard Y's problem is unironically itself, they're all running ancient power for the mirror and it's knocking them out of contention for the top step.
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>>59517414
I usually lead basculegion/glimmora against rain because basculegion almost always oneshots mega seampert with wave crash and does not die to knock off. if they target glimmora I either click spiky shield or let it go down to sash. if they lead archaludon it's earth power and wave crash or switch into raichu because 80% of the time they click electro shot
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Anyone want to have a private battle? I’m shit but I want the welfare coupons
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>>59517479
Set it up. Let me test a team
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>>59516931
Which tournament was this?
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>>59517483
44486909 thanks anon
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>>59517483
Sorry for the lag anon I got a call and the game dropped for a second
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>>59517515
Didnt even notice lol. GG bro could have gone either way
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>>59517535
GG, thanks again. I've used a Sableye without any attacking moves as well, and it aalmost always ended up dead in the slot. Foul Play is too useful not to bring, I think.
I got nervous when I saw Overqwil but you played it honestly, again ggty
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>>59517538
Yea i was using qwil as a swift swim phys attacker. Minimize makes no sense when i use gravity for the hypnosis clutch. And I'd put foul play but i find rain dance much more useful. Taunt is a bitch but i can 80% of the time guess which ones run it (aero, suicide glalie, and pretty much the fast mons)
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>>59516931
You cant say that in a game like Pokémon where a whole set can be decided by misses and flinches. You have to look at averages. And, on average, Zard Y has the highest chance.
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>archaludon using jap with illuminati puppet nicknames referring to Charlie Kirk timer stalling
Absolutely shameless
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bdsm sex with tatora!
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This game fucking sucks. Doubles fucking blows. Matchmaking is ass, and fuck the gay rental code system that doesn’t even work. Fuck GameFreak, glad their new game fucking failed
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>>59517602
see you tomorrow
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As a former noob just 3 months ago I can humbly say that only noobs complain about archaludon and farigaraf
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>>59517602
Is singles any better? I'd rather a metagame mainly centered around speed control rather than entry hazards, pivoting and rapid spin
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>>59517610
you'll see, it's a loop
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Ebin troll https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonChampions/comments/1vs4ue0/what_do_you_think_any_suggestions/
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>5 out of 6 pokemon in the top 50
I am a metasloooppeerr why don't you kill me
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>>59517610
archaludon/farigaraf hatred is literally the IQ bell curve meme.
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Why is alakazam so fucking trash holy shit
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>>59517648
Frail psychic type with bland movepool in a game with sucker punch
At least he's got inner focus so he doesn't get raped by fake out too.
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>>59517632
Go back Jakob
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>>59517648
No indeedee to unlock it, the speed swap gimmick sucks with tailwind and trick room everywhere, I wish there was a psychic type that fit on my team as the only mons I struggle with are mega venasaur, glimmora and sneasler to an extent, i've tried corviknight but it feels clunky to use so i'll just accept there's mons i'll struggle with and that i can't cover the whole meta with 6 slots
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>>59517495
Just got back from work so late reply, but this was a Victory Road tourney if you're still interested in knowing.
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>>59517648
IQ so high he makes sure he plays the least amount of competitive pokemon
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How to make mega blastoise work? Max speed and shell smash? Trick room?
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>>59517705
you fake out and then trick room, then spam helping hand water spout
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>>59517710
Wide guard bitchhhhh
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>>59517705
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=14KtTLx94gI&pp=ygURQmxhc3RvaXNlIGxvcHVubnnSBwkJEwwBhyohjO8%3D

Will take a few casual matches to get used to it though.

Putting it next to a fake out user to help set up a shell smash helps, regular raichu is good for that seeing as it has lightningrod, sinistcha is good for healing, redirecting and defensive synergy, TR is an option but i don't like playing it with base 70 and above speed mons
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Why haven't they added any new poses or cosmetic options or any additional trainer customization since the game released? It's been multiple full months now.
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>>59517735
They basically took their usual 2-year plan and stretched it out to a 10-year plan. They're sticking to their schedule but I expect the September update to be substantial.
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>>59517735
Wait till september anon. 2 more weeks. Next month people will be complaining about indeedee, megamence, amoonguss, the sushi duo, and the tera mechanic.
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>>59517738
>I expect the September update to be substantial
i do hope that is the case. Im already semi checked out of this stupid game since you can only run the same team again and again on ladder without tiring.
Would it kill them to throw us a bone and do something fun for the events at least
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>>59517743
They are, you get a t-shirt for watching the Twitch stream of Worlds. I'm pretty sure leakers alluded to child avatars/baby Pokemon/LC arena
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>accepted that I am buns at the game and decided to find fun in getting to MB3 and making people lose to shit like ice beam rampardos a couple times a day
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>>59516931
Delphox-Blastoise is much more boring to watch than Charizard teams though
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>Hop on Champions
>Beat a MStaraptor player with a crit that may have mattered.
>Beat a Sand team because they missed a Rock Slide from MTtar that was +1 Coaching, +1 Dragon Dance, + under Tailwind.
>Log off for the day

I ain't pushing my luck any further.
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Remove garchomp from the opp team and ceruledge becomes the grim reaper vs big 6
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>>59517766
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>>59517766
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>>59517766
>gf stealthily removes rock polish from its movepool but won't balance last respects
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>>59517839
>they actually did do this
lmao
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how the hell do you actually kill mega mawile before it kills you?
is it just required to bring a fire or ground type that can tank an effectively 200 atk sucker punch and/or play rough?
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>>59517892
when the follow is me
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>give up a move on one of my pokemon for taunt so I can finally deal with the giraffe
>immediate next game, farig is lead with sableye who prankster taunts my taunter so it can't taunt (a setup I have never seen before on any trick room team)

you cannot make this shit up
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Population Bomb is one of the gayest moves in existence and I can’t believe they included it in the game.
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>>59516931
Zard Y was 32 of the top 50 teams.
8 of the top 16.
4 of the top 8.
There are like 4 archetypes for Zard teams: Zard/Floette, Zard/Pex, Zard/Aero, and Zard/Rain.
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>>59517930
That was me, sorry. I fucking love Maushold
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Oh so that mega gallade thing was a cybertron team posted just today. Why do they just blatantly copy teams from every cybetron vid? But at least now i know how to deal with it
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game is 1000x more fun vibe team building and only playing casual
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>>59517962
because the IV spreads are calculated around meta picks
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>>59517892
when the hand is upper
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>hp and speed froslass can survive zard heat wave, but barely misses OHKO on venusaur
>hp and spatk can, but can't be faster than garchomp
>spatk speed kills both but one shotted by zard

life is pain
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>>59518041
I got fucked bec some guy was still running timid zard y and i run modest. So the speed tie was annoying and i just kept losing
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how the hell do you actually kill malamar before it kills you?
is it just required to bring a mimkyu or psychic/fairy type that can tank an +2 superpower or m-create?
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>>59518065
malamar has dogshit typing, no priority, and bad speed tier in and out of trick room but valiant attempt to shitpost
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>>59518071
That's why they gave it m-create and now it just sweeps if it gets one off.
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>>59518065
Is this some unfunny reddit inside joke
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>>59517682
Huh, didn’t see it on limitlessvgc. Is that site just shit?
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>>59518137
I guess because its not a regional. The last event i see on limitlessvgc is NAIC, which was back in june
>https://victoryroad.pro/vrtsf26/
its here, but not at the usual place i go looking
>https://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournaments
which is here
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I wanna run this team but I do like Lycanroc more than Aerodactyl, especially with my hatred towards TardY.
How much worse would it be with Lycanroc instead of a Tailwind setter? Any other adjustments I should consider?
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Rank is so Demoralizing
Casual should get VP points
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>>59518224
without understanding the EVs, i cant tell how imperative tailwind is for that team. I assume you tailwind just to counter the whimsicott tailwind since you can just kill it with dual wingbeat.
Elsewise, Frosslass and Gambit are really fast already. You can switch sneasler to unburden if you want to go fast and the other 3 are already kind of slow, so im not sure how they benefit from tailwind
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I just got demolished by a Ychu Rime lead because of roleplay and sheer cold.
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>>59510679
I can't escape Ultra Ball 1
:(
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I used to be able to get to M3 pretty easily, I think I capped out at 1850 or more a season ago. Now I'm struggling to stay above 1600.
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>>59518354
I’m struggling to stay in Mb3 I think it’s mostly just my team though, like you have people here who are like
>yeah I will leave my Charizard in trick room against Mawile there’s no way he has rock slide
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>>59518224
How do you lose to ZardY??
it's not hard to outspeed it and OHKO it
its partners are always the pain(especially Vena)
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I HATE PLAYING AGAINST WHIMSICOTT I HATE THE ANTICHRIST
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>>59518535
Sharp Beak Dual Wingbeat Talonflame
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>>59518575
yeah and he's useless against everything else
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>>59518575
Mine has max attack evs and a jolly nature and it doesn't 2hko the Whimsicott.
Also
>miss chance
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>>59518580
Being pretty much the only thing that can kill the puff ball before it can do anything makes it worth it.

>>59518581
I've never had it not kill (when it actually lands) so I guess you went up against the rare max defence Whimsicott.
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>complain about a meta threat
>someone replies with some hyper specific counter to that one problem that's dead weight or a wasted move slot against everything else
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>>59518724
>32+ Atk Sharp Beak Gale Wings Talonflame Dual Wingbeat (2 hits) vs. 32 HP / 0 Def Whimsicott: 156-184 (93.4 - 110.1%) -- 57.8% chance to OHKO
too many rolls. might as well click tailwind yourself
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I saw a player that was 185k and still wasn't Master ball 1 so I gave up and I'll take 2
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i dont run speed control or weather and im 1900
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>>59519040
Don't worry, we knew that's your ceiling already. Bo1 ladder isn't really indicitive of anything, which is why we need a Bo3 format.
Look at the top teams in tournaments and see how many don't run weather and speed control.
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>opponent switches out tyranitar into ghost type to avoid fighting attack
>switches ghost into a normal type to dodge ghost attack
>switches normal back into ghost
>etc.
>can keep doing this because each of them are too threatening to ignore and not attack

some circus ass shit
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I'm going to say it. I hate Delphox more than Charizard. It gets heat wave OHKOs on just as many relevant threats while being in a much more obnoxious to deal with speed tier.
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>>59519119
Just predict it
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>>59519224
it's rough because you'll try to predict it but then next time run into a based retard who keeps his tar in and chunks you with knock off after you barely chip it with the prediction move

the game has many 50/50s but this one is particularly transparent
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>>59519128
I believe Delphox is the reason Black Glasses Sucker Punch kingambit exists
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>>59519128
That's my wife you're talking about.
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Start playing 2 weeks ago, just kinda wanna fuck around Pokemon Showdown style.

>Entire team has encore and disable
>every. single. mon.
>Effortlessly cocksmash my way to MB3

Is this forgotten tech or something? I literally just cycle protects and encore into disable over and over like a bot. Dozens of enemy ragequits. Entire team is off meta mons designed to struggle-max and steal/nullify enemy abilities or items.

Is 90% of the playerbase just googling "what pokemon r good pkmn champions" and throwing random shit on their teams from the top 15?
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I think I found my new favorite way to use mega froslass that's not just blizzard spam

partner with annihilape, use icicle spear to boost rage fist, then veil or icy wind if it's still alive on turn 2 if ape needs bulk or speed control respectively

when lass dies sableye comes in to fake out, encore, or quash
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>>59519475
>ghostmaxxing
based
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>>59519475
btw this gimmick gets skullfucked by charizard+venusaur lead but I think I might just have to accept it
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>>59519486
run M-Golurk for rock slide and fakeout the plant
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>>59519475
now that I think about it it's not fantastic into farig either - I run taunt to stop TR but after that it just keeps hitting with psychic and tanks drain punches easily

>>59519491
is solar beam not a problem here?
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>>59519475
I need to know if ditto copies rage fist counters because if it does the clear fourth member here is a second annihilape
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>>59519059
They should just host bo3 on the tournaments section but it's just 3v3 bss bs every season
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>Pellipper used ice beam
I love Bo1 gimmick shit I love bo1 gimmick shit :)
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I added sunny day to my team and now I haven't seen a single rain team in the last 20 or so
the game knows
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>>59519625
>run Incineroar
>everyone runs Milotic and SNEEDler
>drop Incineroar
>Everyone doesn't run Milotic and SNEEDler
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>iron ball slow Sneasler
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>game
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>>59519128
Protect the king/queen is obnoxious sure but it's weak to 3 prio moves Sucker Punch, Shadow Sneak and Aqua Jet and doesn't have very good bulk
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>>59517930
>I use PB
>2-4 hits
>They use PB
>8-10 hits
>Every. Single. Time.
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Kingambit is way more obnoxious in singles where it can make better use of supreme overlord, it's a necessary evil in doubles if they don't balance basc
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>>59519625
I think i've played barely 10 rain teams this season, my team counters it well but I think it's mainly due to it being extremely predictable, lacking versatile options and solved overall, the rise of raichu y doesn't help either

Pelipper/toed can't do what zard, tyranitar and froslass can by mega evolving to reset the players preferred weather
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sub 1700s mb4 is a hellhole man people will just run anything down here and you won't figure out what their team even does until it's too late
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>>59510709
FUCK Zard the cool way.
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Sharing a G-Stunfisk set I like.
My spread is 32 HP, 17 Def, 17 SpD, Relaxed nature. Sitrus Berry. Moves: Snap Trap, Yawn, Protect, Counter.
Basic gameplan is to use it as a lead, particularly against more offensive teams. Against non-threatening matchups or suspected set-up sweepers, you Snap, Yawn, and then Protect or immediately switch into your own. Against threatening special attackers, go straight for a Yawn or switch. Against physical attackers, Counter. It can take quite a bit of punishment, even Close Combat from M-Starraptor or Waterfall from M-Gyarados. The set can completely ruin your opponent's momentum by stalling out screens too. You can 1v1 A-Ninetales for example.
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>>59519829
>i cant adapt to non meta
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>>59519475
okay so actually a few hours later unfortunately I think this kinda sucks

mainly because EVERYONE and their damn dog is leading some kind of speed control that just snowballs the whole game after if I let it go up, so I have to keep leading sableye to fake out their whims/aero/whatever so I can kill it and never get to do the funny setup
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>>59519923
oh and the sheer amount of ychus/delphoxes that require special handling as well because I'm just slower period (former ruins the whole order of operations with forced paralysis, latter just kills ape easily)
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>>59512102
Yeah, but also my shinies are from favorite playthroughs
>Cyndaquil and Chikorita from Johto
>Luxray, Staraptor, Sylveon, Rotom, Clefable from Hisui
>Hippowdown, Lopunny, and A-Ninetales from Alola
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>>59519430
below masterball is the tutorial so you will only play against people new/bad at vgc
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sorry Emboar bro. he really sucks and I run torrent max speed Primarina just to dunk on him specifically.
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>>59519997
I've been playing this game for months and have never seen literally one single mega emboar
meanwhile I have seen mega audino and multiple mega malamars

is it truly that grim
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>>59520009
>75 speed
it's cooked.
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>>59519430
Post team, sounds fun anon

I do this strategy in Singles with Sableye and it is definitely hilarious how many people fall for it. I could see it working with Liepard too, but idk who else
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>>59511500
Should have played around it.
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>>59519798
I’ve been using Maushold for three seasons now and I’ve noticed something weird about Population Bomb.

>1 hit, 2 hits
Happens regularly.
>8-10 hits
Happens regularly.
>specifically 4 or 6 hits
Happens very rarely.
>3, 5, or 7 hits
I have literally never seen it happen. Idk if it’s supposed to be like this or what but I just find it kinda odd.
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>>59520056
Pretty sure I saw three hits. I had a max evasion Sandaconda. Enemy's Maushold's first attack hit once. Second attack hit three times.
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>>59520091
I’m not saying it’s impossible, I’m just saying they’re extremely rare, which implies that very low rolls and very high rolls are weighted preferably. I’ve clicked the move easily over a hundred times so it’s just super weird that I’ve never seen 3, 5 or 7 unless for some reason it’s supposed to work that way
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>>59519923
I run a team that generally runs on being naturally faster even without Tailwind, at times where I can't prevent Tailwind/TR setup you just have to have an all-purpose bulky mon to stall out as much as it can.

My go-to have been Expert Belt Thick Fat Mamoswine. It can one-shot a Life Orb Gachomp with Ice Shard, it can survive much of what a ZardY can give and threaten a KO with Rock Slide (depending on EV investment).
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>>59520116
It does a 33% roll, then a 100% roll from that 1/3rd. So it'll check 1-3, 4-6, 7-10 first, then roll for the actual number.
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>lost all the way from MB2 to MB4
I should have just sat there and accepted my place
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ive only ever played monotype singles on wifi battling in these games, would monotype doubles be viable at all or should i not even bother downloading
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>>59520268
people reach high ranks using monotype doubles sometimes.
we had the monotype tourney recently with fierce competition, and now the discord is filled with challengers fighting the gym leaders.
some monotype teams are better than others though
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>>59520268
monotype normal has access to hisui zoroark to dodge fighting moves and technically ditto is a normal type
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Remember lads. Ash got a really bad loss streak vs tentaclemons in the PWC before he finally got his groove back and started winning his way to becoming Pokemon Champion. It aint over till the fat lady sings
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>>59520370
Jynx is not in the game though
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When Assault Vest?
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>>59520487
September 1st
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>>59520370
Ash is a fag
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>>59518827
Max HP Whimsichud is rare. Not unlikely, but very rare.
I ran into a Max HP Max Defense one earlier yesterday.
Dual Wingbeat only did 80ish % on it.
People are doing fear investments.
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>opponent leads farigiraf/blaziken
>I lead farigiraf/kangaskhan
>protects with blaziken, imprison with farigiraf
>whatever, I expected double trick room and did not click it
>ignores kangaskhan and clicks flare blitz into my farigiraf, kangaskhan fires off a last resort oneshotting blaziken
>next pokemon he sends is maushold, clicks population bomb on a burned, 35% hp farigiraf and dies to another last resort
I don't get it. he had the right call with imprison but fucked up everything else
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>>59520510
Just like (You). You go anon
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>M-C will still be megas
Welp. No tera hax just yet lads...
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>>59520539
I used mine when swampert was in every team and it was just max hp max sp.atk with energy ball, it was good enough
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https://x.com/rasenburst/status/2090293333604155869?s=20
>Brazil is the region with the most downloads
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>>59520596
>after Korea, Us & Japan
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I'm always stuck around 1644. I've never really found a team that felt like my own, so it's hard to put in the effort.
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What do you think about support mega Greninja?
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>>59520487
hopefully never because archaludon exists
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How are yall running your M-mence in September?
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Anyone have SV? I need some help evolving my Poliwhirl.
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>>59520997
give me a sec to catch one, I also need a female politoed
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>>59520997
can you trade now? 9841
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>>59521012
Booting up now
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>>59521013
wrong code, XBWC2X
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>>59521014
SV trades only use numerals, anon.
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>>59521020
I thought we had to be in a union circle sorry, 1455 1455 then
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>>59521022
Thank you anon, appreciate it greatly!
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>>59521027
thank you
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>>59520690
what does it even do?
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>>59521063
set up spikes and toxic spikes
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>expect opponent to respect a significant threat on the field
>they just completely ignore it and double the partner

can never be sure if these are 50iq or 200iq plays
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>communication error
What? I hope that doesn't count as a loss. I cornered this lucky faggot.
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>>59521210
>resumed and suddenly half his team is dead and mine is relatively good shape
>won
Did the AI pilot me?
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>>59521216
I believe it auto selects the first move
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Is it just me or is Milotic seeing a resurgence?
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>>59521065
Seems like a waste of a mega slot
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Genuinely why would you waste a team slot setting up spikes? Use Sash Glimmora if you want entry hazards.

>>59521273
Yes. It's pretty popular. Saw plenty of use in the SandRaptor team, and is part of a core alongside Raichu Y.
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Perish Trap? Moar like Peeish TRASH, but seriously, using ghost types really throws a wrench in their gayme plan and gengar has garbage bulk
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>lost to regular charizard with no sun up
Might as well buy a rope
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>>59521716
only problem is it's faster than basically every ghost except dragapult and threatens most of them with an ohko
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>>59521775
Sorry anon, that's just KANTOOOOO privilege.
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>>59520690
Are support megas ever good?
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>>59521785
True, by ghosts I mainly meant sableye with foul play as it's atrack move, though some mega gengars opt for sludge bomb over shadow ball and some don't even run an attacking move on a mon with 170 base SpA
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>>59521791
Mega Lopunny has a solid support movepool along with offensive pressure
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Poor mega metagross, worst case of 4mss in this reg and has weaknesses to zard y, chomp, basc and gambit, only good for smashing fairies but so is any regular steel type that doesn't take up a mega slot
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>>59521791
Scovillain is pretty good on the right team.
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>play singles
>finally get the win 3 battles without fainting achievement
Can't believe i didn't think of that before, so much harder to do that in dubs
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There’s only so many flinches and misses in a row before it should be legal to publicly execute a GameFuck employee. Holy shit the RNG is fucking beta bullshit faggotry.

Whatever fucking gook flinched me with rock slide after all that can get hit by a car
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I swear cursed body has an 80% activation rate vs me when I KO regular gengars
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Here’s hoping all my opponents from tonight get tetanus
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>>59521816
>something made irrelevant by basc/gambit
MANY such cases

don't forget also sucks into incin
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An advantage of singles is i don't have to stress over protect mindgames, comfy way to let off steam when doubles is a bit frustrating, got Taunt on serperior and Encore on Mega Raichu for stallcunts
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>>59521939
>anon doesnt know how probabilities work
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New bread
>>59522024
>>59522024
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