>power creep so bad that having a 100 attacking stat is “average” and sub-100 speed is “below average”comp Pokemon is a joke
But you have hypocritical double standards like Pokefags cumming over Alolan Ninetales using Blizzard.
There should be a tier system where everything has a price based on usage
>>59511244yes tourist comp players are jokes too
>>59511245But then you will have retards baselessly claiming on X (derogatory) that Game Freak is """forcing""" them to use Pyroar & Unfezant over Garchomp & Miraidon?If people freaked out over Chikorita being a starter in Legends ZA then who's to say that retards wouldn't cry over your proposal? Pokefags will ALWAYS make a controversy out of anything even if the thing forced into being controversial is inoffensive at worst.
>>5951124040/65 physical defense is crippling and with 40 base HP, 120 Sp.Def barely helps. 100/90 is acceptable but not enough to compensate for that poor bulk.It doesn't help either that psychic has been sucking since Gen I (which had better psychic mons) ended and getting fairy type barely helps, because Gardevoir is just better in everything.
>>59511264This is irrelevant, the point is that having a 100 stat is now considered AVERAGE instead of something like 80 or 85 like gba-era pokemon.
I am from the future.Yawnfag found the thread and started posting wojaks and niche situations to show how much of a """c*mpaignshitter""" everyone is. He also started to bring up Samurott from out of nowhere as dictated by his Unova Derangement Syndrome.
>>59511245>zoomoid ignores her historyThat was part of Tajiri's original vision for Capsule Monsters my friend. He scrapped it, because it wasn't fun buying everything you wanted to make a team.
>>59511281Pokémon being stuck as gimped shitters so that CHARIZARD and the other shillmons can look better is far less fun. Why doesn’t he fix that?
>>595112454 mudkips and a gastly
>>59511240Yeah man having a stat that doesn't go beyond "100" is clearly the problem and not that abysmal dogshit 40 HP
>>59511292I am literally talking about the 100 stat being called “average” and sub-100 being called “below-average”, you dumb illiterate ape.
>>59511287Because that's how he envisioned it, you dumb cunt. A progression system where you're supposed to jump from the mid shitters to the shillmon. Kids understand this, why are you so fucking thick?
>>59511296idc
>>59511303
>>59511311>dubsChecked
>>59511303I understand that inevitably there will be pokemon more stronger than others, but then there is pokemon that feels straight up sabotaged.>Dusknoir having 45 base HP, making his high defense stats pointless>Tropius stats being a tragedy for a conceptually cool pokemon>Slowla, speially Decidueye, Crabominable and Vikavolt>Neither Dewong nor Lapras having good special attack post Gen I>Flareon not having Flare Blitz until Gen VI>Ice type as a whole only resisting itself>Bug being made not effective against fairy, despite fairy being introduced for "balance" and bug already being inefective against lots of types>Corrosion only affecting status moves, affecting poison apart for steel and being given to a glass-cannon pokemon>Mega Skarmori having stalwart
>>59511240A little late to the party
>>59511335>Tropius stats being a tragedy for a conceptually cool pokemonSometimes I think about making a ROM hack that's buffs weak Pokemon while also making Tropius a mixed attacker that's actually good at being one, with the mixed attacker part being a "get fucked" towards Game Freak.
>>59511335>Dusknoir having 45 base HP, making his high defense stats pointlessThis almost makes sense, ghost types in general have low HP. The problem is Dusknoir’s stats in general are just so confused it has no niche over its own prevo >Tropius stats being a tragedy for a conceptually cool pokemonThey could have given it an earlier stage so that Tropius could have higher status, I guess they had more important things to do like writing porn >Slowla, speially Decidueye, Crabominable and VikavoltDecidueye was intended to be the flop starter, not sure what the fuck happens. >Neither Dewong nor Lapras having good special attack post Gen ILapras’s BST is actually very high, the issue is it’s a generalist in a franchise the punishes that >Flareon not having Flare Blitz until Gen VIFlareon would have been shit even if it had that, but it’s the principle >Ice type as a whole only resisting itselfPunishment for being super effective against CHARIZARD in Gen 1 >Bug being made not effective against fairy, despite fairy being introduced for "balance" and bug already being inefective against lots of typesThey hate bug types >Corrosion only affecting status moves, affecting poison apart for steel and being given to a glass-cannon pokemonSome people have pointed out that Salazzle and Toxapex would make so much more sense having each other’s signature abilties >Mega Skarmori having stalwartThis almost makes sense, ignoring the fact that tough claws was right there, they clearly wanted Skarmory to have a use in doubles. Though as is its niche at best, but its far better than several other ZA megas.
>>59511335>Bug being made not effective against fairyit’s literally just to neutralize psychic’s weakness to bug, just look at how common Fairy/Psychic dual types pokemon are.
>>59511240I never understood how you fags could be this retarded. Is it just that 100 is a nice, round number, and it sets off your normietism? Is it that as the series progressed things became stronger over time like every single series with pvp? Is it that you think something being above or below average means the difference between usable and unusable and you're mad one particular mon you like is below that specific threshold? Seriously, this is completely arbitrary nonsense. Y'all have got to stop being so stupid.
>>59511240Mr. Mime was already powercrept by Alakazam in his debut game you dumb motherfucker.
>>59511416>y'allsheeeiiittt, tell 'em muhfuggas dat tum fuggin bix nood nigga
>>59511416They still see Mew as OP
>>59511240? post elo
>>59511240100 was disappointing even by gen 1 standards, why do you think the top 80% meta usage is taken by 5 pokemon?>>59511245And to what end? Yugioh started doing that and it only shifted what decks are meta, but the meta still consists of the best of the best currently available People will just start using the 20 most optimal pokemon to run, as per usual
>>59511437"y'all" isn't even ebonics lmao
>>59511245Ok you can make it so that running Incineroar forces you to have the rest of the team consist of rattatas, but instead of crying about Incineroar and Sneasler being everywhere you will now cry about Arcanine and Scrafty or whatever is the next best thing under these rulesCasuals are never happy, just accept comp is not for you
>>59511440Mew pretty much is carried by its versatility and flexibility, being a pokemon that can practically learn every TM. Also having 100/100/100 offenses isn't that bad since 100/100/100 is a very acceptable bulk.Basically it sn't specially good at anything (stat wise), but it also isn't specially bad at anything, which is more important in the metagame. Add one of the most diverse movepools in the franchise, and Synchronize ability discouraging using status effects on it, you gets a consistent good pokemon.Ironically its psychic type is one of the few things holding it back in later gens.
>>59511245>Larvitar>Drilbur>Snivy>Magikarp>Fletchling>MudkipThis is basically a gen 6 OU team.Anything in the 1 dollar tier bar rockruff is an insane value pick.
>>59511335>>59511354I hate how tropius became a measuring stick for faggots. Stop pretending you like it or have ever used it.
>>59511354pokemon tectonic does it well, hell it even executes mixed attackers pretty well because natures don't matter and when you invest in offense you have to invest in both offenses
>>59511245gimme a riolu, one male ralts and 7 eeves. do you happen to have a dawn stone?
>>59511245you may be interested in draft formatshttps://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/formats/draft/granted not everything has pricing that usually correlates with usage in conventional formats, due to simply how draft formats work (you know what mons your opponent can bring so some mons that depend on surprise factor on ladders might not be as potent because you'll know ahead of time if you'll fight someone with them) but it's close enoughalso>dreepy at $5 despite having terrible stats and an atrocious movepoolthis image was 100% made by someone who's never played little cup (which before you ask was an official format in stadium)
>>59511998>Stop pretending you like it or have ever used it.I'm not pretending to like it, but its true that I never used it. Precisely because I said before, its stats are a tragedy.
>>59511240While your other replies show you somehow don't understand it but those stats are bad because of how its also fragile, and has always been the case since Gen 1 and why Mr Mime only had one somewhat decent comp gen in 2 for status setting and screens. Mew literally set the averages for a stat to be good.
>>59511437Russian hands typed this.
>>59511311>billion dollar company>Game FreakRetard proves how staggeringly stupid she is.
>>5951124515 Rockruffs
>>59511240100 offense is absolutely mid for a frail mid bp no boost Pokemon.
>>59512309Game freak is the majority owner of TPC you failed abortion. They have money
>>59511288Torterra sweep
>>59511272100 was average back then too, 120 is probably closer to high.
>>59511245This is literally just draft league, of which /pcg/ is finishing up it's first season within a couple of hours. For reference the final match is Clamsy (5-0) vs Sneed (3-2) with the following teams >Clamsy -Garchomp-Glimmora-Gyarados-Orthworm-Salazzle-Decidueye-Rotom fan-Volcarona-Chesnaught-Cofagrigus>Sneed-Blastoise-Sinistcha-Scrafty-Noivern-Oranguru-Diggersby-Morpeko-Garbodor-Bastiodon-Delphox
>>59511245Magikarp ($1 for Gyarados is busted)Eevee (everyone will choose Magikarp so you need a Jolteon)Dratini because $3 is a stealLarvitarDrilburRiolu, Ralts or Charmander for the Mega.
>>59511998I used it in my first Emerald playthrough back in the dark ages.It really just didn't have any kutzpah even back then.
>>59511240Looking at SV OU and most of the pokemon in that tier have sub 100 speed.
>>59513362SV OU was carefully culminated by a literal retard terrorist who made it so terrible that it killed Smogon as a whole and the mastermind behind it had to resign from the site
>>59512463>gets ice punched/beamed into oblivion0
>>59513733Not with my EV's dumped in spdef. Come at me, bruh!
>>59513737ice punch is physical though? or is this some fairytale mod of torterra in gen 3?
>>59513362and their defenses??
Just give it the evo its always deserved in Master MimeHP 40 +25ATK 45DEF 65 +35SPATK 100 +20SPDEF 120SPD 90
>>59511240Mr.Mime had an actual niche as a Sub-CM passer with Soundproof, but that's unviable in official formats and Smogoons hate fun.
>>59511240k
>>59516704>Magic guard and Unaware>Fairy type Gen VI onward (good offensively and defensively)>Good and diverse movepool>95/70/90 is good bulk for a pokemon with only two non x4 weaknesses plus access to reliable recoveryA good overall design is better than just having bad stats. The highest stats in the world can't do anything against a metagame full of powercreep if you have a mediocre ability and movepool.
>>59516641Baton pass stans are the worst kinds of people desu, that shit sucks
>>59511240>Became OU for a while despite everyone saying she'll never ever reach that tier in a million years
>>59511245Lil bro's thinking in shekels kek
>>59511240>shitmon
>>59518238It’s KANTOOOOOOOO, it will get a broken buff soon enough
>>59511437Least buck broken poltard.
>>59511245This is just conceding to game Freak’s mentality that some Pokémon are fundamentally less valuable and not deserving of buffs. Any competent company would have just balanced the Pokémon
>>59518244It got a regional variant and said regional varian a evo of its own. Sais evo is now ZU on SS metagame and natdexed in SV.Its was on Leon's team so its clear that Gamefreak intended to make it look good for the players, but that didn't seem to happen.
>>59518272The best part of Mr. Rime is that is an ice type evo that somehow gets slower upon evolution, without going crazy in any important stat growth to make up for it,and its most interetsing attribute, its unique ability Screen Cleaner it shares with its evo, can backfire on the player.Whatever is being smoked on GF headquarters, I want it too.
>>59511245But can I evolve them?
>>59511240uh huhjarvis pull up alakazam's stats
>>595112459 eevee1 goomy1 raltsi will have sex with all of them
>>59518247I hope you're doing well, aurorusfag
>>59519069>alakazam>55Jesus crispy. How?
>>59511240How do you tastefully fix power creep without changing stats for pokemon that have better versions of themselves in further generations? Especially if those pokemon didn't rely on status moves.Think like Machamp -> Conkeldurr -> Iron hands. Do you just give them a new ability?
>>59519436>accusing me of being someone elseWhy is it so difficult for my bro Cacturne to not be shit :( Seriously he's a cool cactus that got shackled with shitty stats.
>>59511245>Riolu>Charmander>Gastly>Fletchling>Rockruff (for Dawn)>Rockruff (for Dusk)Pretty comfy team of 6 for exactly $15.
>>59520896Shit, meant Midday and Midnight, not Dawn and Dusk. I must've been thinking of the Digimon games.
>>59520812>Think like Machamp -> Conkeldurr -> Iron hands.That's just a randomizer at this point.
>>59520925What? I meant how each kept getting more and more optimized.
>>59511240>having 100 in an attacking stat is bad>the humble Dracovish
>>59521018100 attack isn't so bad when you've essentially got a 255 power move you can throw around
It could be worse. Imagine all of the pokemon you like the most have been literally unusable since generation 1, and never gotten a single stat buff since.I fixed Seaking's stats in 10 minutes.
>>59522009now instead of being aggressively bad it's aggressively mediocrenothing is realistically saving seaking short of an evolution
>>59522028It's usable now at least. A mega evolution is the only thing that could make it good.
>>59520812Give the older Pokémon new abilities, moves, or other buff to catch up. Ironically game freak already does this, but only CHARIZARD, the other shillmons, and a few diversity hires ever get anything which is legitimately worse if no old Pokémon were ever buffed (if no old mons we're buffed then there would be an argument of game freak merely being better at optimizing new mons, but because they go out of their way to buff the pokemon that “matter” it means that pokemon that are still shitmons are intentionally kept that way.
>>59522045>usable nowyeah in low tiers lmaobut at least it's usable even there as opposed to being outclassed by literally everything>mega evolutionand cuck it to only be useful in mega-implementing games/formats? it's a 2 stage line, it has room for a regular evolutionmega evolutions should be saved for legendaries or mons that are already 3 stage lines with a few exceptions for mons that were already worth using on their own merits in higher tier formats (like singles OU or restricted legendary-allowing VGC formats)
>>59522009Any evo ideas for this pish?
>>59519436>aurorus out of nowhereSomeday the one guy at game freak who likes Aurorus is going to get a high position and give Aurorus a special snowflake supa saiyan form with a broken signature ability. Then where will you be?
>>59511244>hypocritical double standards like Pokefags cumming over Alolan Ninetales using Blizzard.i need context i cant tell if this is supposed to be a good thing or bad thing
>>59511311>all criticism is automatically good criticism because Game Freak has moneyThis image is worthless and is a cancer on discussion for this series.
>>59523652Seamonarch? Seamperor? SeaGOD? They made Basculegion good so it can’t be that hard
Sorry chud, but balance is when every pokemon has 150+ in their attacking stat and a 120 powered, 100% STAB with only a minor inconvenience as a drawback.
>>59511240Bud he was competing with Gengar, Alakazam, Exeggcutor, Hypno, Slowbro, and Starmie in gen 1. Starmie tied him in special, Slowbro had less but got amnesia spam, Hypno, Gengar, Exeggcutor, and Alakazam beat his special easily. He was shit from day 1, creep doesn't factor into it.
>>5951124515 Krookadiles
>>59511281>zoomoid>herI have no idea why you think anyone smart would read the rest of your post after that
>>59523670The United States not being Israel's submissive bottom is more likely that that.[USER HAS BEEN ASTRAL PROJECTED INTO GEHENNA BY THE IDF FOR THIS POST]
>>59522106>it's a 2 stage line, it has room for a regular evolutionI’ve never understood this logic, it’s obvious that GF thinks the base design is ‘finished’.Same goes for things like Mega Chimecho, people were saying it should have been a normal evo but that takes away from normal Chimecho, it’d never be used ever again because there’s an upgrade right there.
>>59512284Ukraine is Russian clay.
>>59511450Genesys Format has a lot more variety, actually, and it's surprisingly a slower format than regular YGO. IMO it's the superior way to play currently, especially after Droll got bumped in cost to 25.
>>59511240Smogon is a joke, yes, VGC is fun though
>>59518247Nah, some Pokemon definitely should be shitmons and some should be overpowered. It makes the other Pokemon stand out.
>>59511440The pixies all fell off except for Manaphy and Victini, with Victini having one of the top 10 strongest moves in the games and Manaphy having a top 5 move. And even then they're still mid.
>>59524014You are a cuckold.
>>59523652Split evo that goes full horn or full fin
>>59523670not in jail for threatening arson
>>59511240This is what a Latios killer looks like.
>>59511245it was tried, it was too fucking complicated to choose what mon is worth what points and even when thats done eventually you end up with ppl arguing x mon should be higher/lower, additionally it turns teambuilding into a fucking nightmare
