In no way is this schizo, and the bottom half is what I argue every time I see N paired with Reshiram. His Ideal world of liberation that he barely understands in the first game is shattered by the Truth of the strength of the player's bond with his team, and by the Truth of his being used by Ghetsis. For further narrative links, you could even say that Ghetsis weaponises N's Ideals using Kyurem in the second game, who has, instead of seeking synthesis between Truth and Ideals, gone all in on extremity and imbalance.
>>59513400based Ghetsis
>>59513176Do the dragons actually embody truth and ideals, or are they just really powerful beings and those are ascribed to them by humans? Do they have the ability to command the populace to their will (what N was allying with them and seeking the championship for) or is it just because they can rain down fire and lightning to those who disobey? In my headcannon, I like to imagine the original dragon as a dogmatic figure, effectively the godly being of moral authority (Arceus only really cares about spacetime functioning most of the time), but maybe after continued interaction with humans, they realized all the nuances of what is and what ought to be. The split was the end of moral objectivism and birth of subjectivism. Maybe it ruled as the sole moral authority since the beggining (or close to the start), but humans with their civilization are what shattered it. I wonder if this also sparked the civility in pokemon, where they're only really wild animals before humanity, but post humanity (in Mystery Dungeon and Pokopia) humans have left their mark on them and they still yearn for civilization. Or maybe if humans have really left for good and poke-civilization eventually declines, Kyurem will start to get the gang back together.
>lolbertarians think they are the heroes in a world with no capital
>>59513176>libertarians>actually doing something
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>>59513176This is the worst theory ever because it implies that libertarianism is anything but a 5th pillar ideology Literally just made to make the masses talk about shit that will never happen while the elites have their way at them. The NAP seals it.
>>59513176>Libertarian Populist>Actually deals with all issues>Defends his values rather than preaching them
>>59514429That one is funny.
>>59514429I like how it has to specifiy its Wario's underware.Like it could have been a M or W speedo.
Regignosis lives rent free in some french anon's head every week despite it being a super fun japanese headcanon.
>>59513176Well you're right about it being schizo at least
>>59513176Ash Coma.
>>59516340I find that one to be extremely cheap and lazy. You could do that theory with every main character of every show, franchise etc. I hate it was all a dream endings. They are so lazy.
>>59516333>coolest normal bird becomes lamest legendary birddamn
I haven't seen the anime in a while but is Ash still 10? Cause if so he's having the most productive year anyone has ever had in their entire life.
>>59514520Wario is purple
>>59513176i remember in days when scat/vomit just came out or it was just before its release? it was theorized that iono was a descendant of paldean emperor
>>59516333wasted trips.
>>59516541Ash has been retired years ago and yes he never aged, he was always 10 from first to last episodeFloating timeline bullshit
>>59516807He isn't the only one who never aged in the show.
>>59513531>Do the dragons actually embody truth and ideals, or are they just really powerful beings and those are ascribed to them by humans?The story makes it clear which one.
>>59514497>talk about shit that will never happenAs opposed to the worker's revolution right?>>59516646If the cannon isn't in then its wrong.
>>59514549Regignosis might as well be canon according to the japanese.
>>59516431>I find that one to be extremely cheap and lazy.True, but I don't think there's a more schizo theorist than one who supports it.
Gladion is Buzzwole's human form, because his clothes are ripped.
>>59516333>Pidgeot: Long ribbon on it's head becomes long ribbon on it's tail>Fearow: Jagged spike language universal between the two>Dodrio: Uuhh fuck it, I need another normal/flying for this theoryThey almost had me.
Psyduck and Golduck have their names swapped
>>59513176Ignoring the dumb political shit, the implication that Zekrom is inherently evil/misguided is missing the point of BW's plot.
>>59517015Farfetch'd boiled in a pot become a Moltres
lillie is nihilego and gladion is necrozma and something something scrapped pokemon human fusionsgladion and necrozma do the same hand movement
>>59517065These are just true observations though.A lot of these theories emerged before SM released so people tried to figure out why the fuck Lillie looks so much like Nihilego. There's definitely parallels between UBs and some characters, and only Lillie has an explanation for that, so that's weird.
After Gen 5, I feel the intrigue and myth of the Pokemon world died.
>>59517094Women argue with feelings.
>>59517096I'm too tired to point out all the lack of content / world building in modern Pokemon games.And yes, it retroactively kills everything behind it.
>>59517094>>59517105You just got jaded and lost your spark. Gen 7 and gen 9 have great world building.
>>59517137Not that guy, but no the fuck they don’t. Those gens are the epitome of half-assed uncaring lore.
>>59517188Gen 7 is the first gen where they actually tried to write proper characters with an actual personality and history. The leaks prove that, no other gen before had such detailed character profiles. It's an undeniable fact that they put way more effort into writing.
>>59517094Genocide of the entire country of francewas committed to end all pokemon war forever. that is pretty sick mythos
>>59517023>missing the point of BW's plot.I mean, the moral relativistic bs is stupid. The pic in the OP is a huge improvement over that trash.
>>59517290The timeline is what bothers me here.3000 years ago is so long in the past that it really wouldnt be talked about so much, if at all.That's roughly when the Trojan War happened in our world.
>>59517300BW is not about moral relativism.That's what makes it work, the duality actually makes sense.
>>59517231Characterization is not equivalent to world-building. Those gens utilizing alternate worlds to hand-wave any discrepancy automatically makes them bottom-tier in terms of world-building.
I legitimately do believe the three SM legendaries have an alchemy motif (especially since Solageo makes a pretty overt reference to The Lion that Devours the Sun in its Pokedex entry). Then people started adding stupid shit like the starters, Zygarde, and Rockruff to it.
>>59517376I mean the original pmyth documents from the teraleak conveyed that the original plan was that 1000 years after humanity and pokemon sprung from the chopped down tree of life (whos branches were xernas and whos roots were yveltal) that Ia and Ea had to take on pokemon forms as dialga and palkia to punish humanity and pokemon alike for causing wars. We're talking super ancient times. whats funny is this is technically still canon as Old Verse 18 confirms the Teraleaks pmyth5.2 AUSU line for line.
>>59513176>adlerstopped reading one word in
>>59517376What’s the number two movie in the world right now?
>>59517492>alternate worlds to hand-wave any discrepancyThis is a thing in literally every single gen since the very beginning thanks to alternate versions. Red and Blue are canonically alternate worlds of each other, that's the explanation for version exclusive Pokémon. You just hate it cause it got popular in the last decade or so. But it's been core of the series since it launched.And no, character writing does very much contribute to world building. The world shapes the characters and vice versa. The stories of the character indirectly tell us about the world they live in. Beyond that, Gen 9 has a lot of world building for Paldea specifically by fleshing out its history and myths. That's worldbuilding too.>inb4 "But I don't like it so it doesn't count!!"Grow up.
>>59517500alchemy associates chemicals with planets which are better associated with UBs rather than starters
>>59518395Pretty sure they're the Seven Deadly Sins.
There are 9 races, what are they?
>>59518179>This is a thing in literally every single gen since the very beginning thanks to alternate versionsLmao, this shit is literally the thing I’m talking about. Hand-wavey nonsense that didn’t need to be used to explain something that could’ve been boiled down to gameplay-story segregation. >And no, character writing does very much contribute to world buildingThat is not what I said. You saying >g-grow up is hilarious given your inability to read. Maybe you should finish school first before posting here.
>>59519021Are the races related to the type pairs?
>>59519021this is literally just the basic order they use everywhere
>>59519082Me when I don't read. Anon wasn't talking about pokemon types, but rather the "9 races" there.
>>59513176the pokemon world is unironically socialist. Everything is state sponsored and provided for free.
>>59516646This would mean the world for Paras lore. Nature had to put down the apex predator.
>>59521296No it's not socialist. If it was it would be a tyranical hellhole and nobody would be allowed to own pokemon.
>>59513176For as cringe as this image is Ghetsis and Team Plasma do a good job at portraying how the leaders of political extremist groups manipulate their niave underlings and use the ideology as a power grab. >>59521296It's capitalist as fuck the leagues make so much money they can subsidies hospitals.
>>59521992Its actually an absolute hierarchical meritocracy. Literally the champs are the acting feudal lords of every region, but if you are stronger than them then you get the authority. (But can choose to abdicate the role like Red and Blue both do). It just so happens that every champion in every region has been absolute egalitarians, wars and power conflicts were ended world-wide by AZ nuking France, and the world is overabundant with resources and technology to the point there is no such thing as scarcity. The one time someone without egalitarian ideals became champion (N) it almost ended the pokemon world and had to be put down by someone stronger than him to set things back to the egalitarian status quo.Literally the one time resource limitations is brought up, its 1000 years into the future and is fixed within an afternoon in Galar.
>>59516333there's nothing schizo about this
>the guy who invented Blacked porn genre is called Schwarz irl>it's German for Black>Soros is one of the Hungarian words for black>black is a common surname and descriptor for Hungarians - i.e. Black KhazarsHilbert is a Soros.
Woah...
>>59513400I like the idea of N believing in what he perceives to be the truth, even though it actually isn’t.
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>>59513176I have always strongly believed this about Ghetsis and N. 100%.N is a very textbook bleeding heart and a tragic character but ultimately dangerously delusional/misguided. He reminds me of some marxist/leftist/trans friends I've had. All the moral grandstanding and "empathy" in the world can't make up for being objectively wrong about something. For N, that is not understanding that pokemon and humans get along well and mostly enjoy the status quo as it stands in their world. Also that Team Plasma are grifters.Ghetsis VERY MUCH reminds me of a cynical powerhungry neolib. His plot to have a monopoly on pokemon (force) feels so so much like an allegory for gun control in the USA. the other stuff in OP is meh it works but I don't think it was intentional by the developers or anything. They were really saying something with Ghetsis and N though.
>>59522578>They were really saying something with Ghetsis and N though.Yeah the parallels are too close to be coincidence.
>>59513176N can be both Ideal and Truth. He is just a retard in terms of both
Carmine and Kieran being Ghetsis' children.
>>59522607>>59522646Why do you think that Alder is all western cowboy themed yet he barely cares about anything going on in his region and lets his grandson become a degenerate an-prim dragon type trainer?why do you think he has no answer for N's questions?
>>59514429>>59514520It's even funnier when you remember the pink bulbs of the Master Ball are additional geometries, implying the underwear is so tight it makes the red hemisphere squeeze through the holes.
>>59513176Fug has cancer and the meteorite you find in ORAS is its treatment
>>59517290>to end all pokemon war forever>>59517685>to punish humanity and pokemon alike for causing warsFast forward to present day, and nothing has changed. Wars are still waged.
>>59523396>degeneratestopped reading
>>59518395>>59518424Guzzlord - GluttonyCelesteela - SlothBuzzwole - Wrath? Pride?Pheromosa - Pride? Lust?What would the others be?
>>59522701Explain.
>>59521296But the bourgeois still exist.It's arguably Fascist if anything
>>59523810Nihilego - Envy, it takes over peoplePheromosa - Lust, sexualBuzzwole - Pride, it flexesXurkitree - Greed, steals electricityKartana - Wrath, destroys for no reasonCelesteela - Sloth, just growsGuzzlord - Gluttony, obviously
>>59513400>N gets Zekrom because he uhhhh because he wants something untrue while the protagonist is the status quo Statements made by the utterly deranged. N's entire quest in BW was one of truth. He barely had any real ideals at all when he was thinking for himself. N’s backstory showed that pokemon are indeed abused by humans. It’s just the *one* truth Ghetsis showed him. The moment he hears the voice of the protag’s starter, he tries to get the protagonist to challenge him so that he can learn the whole truth. N’s entire motive in BW is to learn the actual truth of the world, which he spells out at the end as to why he was fond of (You) and why he spurred (You) into challenging him; it makes perfect sense that Reshiram would pick him. He was questioning Ghetsis’s propaganda- and everything he had ever known- from the very start.
>>59523581>Rhyperior Literally a product of the War area before AZ nuked France.>there being military means there is warNever happened, it is literally canon that all war in the pokemon world stopped after AZ fired the ultimate weapon. It is double stopped because the Old Verse in Legends Arceus literally says that humanity would be punished by Palkia and Dialga if they ever had war again and humans adhere to that.They can have all the military outfits and technology, but there have not been any wars since AZ fired the weapon, which the whole lore reason why the pokemon world is so peaceful. Like the Japanese, everyone is afraid of being nuked.>Wars are still waged.Name one war>Surge said his pokemon saved him in the war!English translation, the Japanese doesn't mention a war, just that he uses his electric pokemon to power his jet in the Japanese.
>>59523844I see the vision. Makes sense to me.
>>59523825>bourgeois>In a post-scarcity worldPokemon can live for 3000+ years and be infinite sources of energy and resources for humans. There is no means of production to fight over, everyone can have pokemon for as little as $200 with a pokeball. Everyone in society is given a pokemon for free when they are 10.
>>59523581Rhyperior is literally >3000 years old.
>>59523922>Post-scarcity world.Humans would still be fighting wars for territory it once owned because of "historical injustices" or "national pride" or whatever. The idea conflict is caused by mere scarcity assumes humans are rational. That assumption is false.Even without scarcity people would still want more than the other person, more territory, etc. It's human nature that's the source of our problems. Scarcity just gives us rationalization for our greed and barbarism.
>>59522079Holy shit this is truly groundbreaking
>>59523961>Even without scarcity people would still want more than the other person, more territorywhat do you think the point of the pokemon league and battling are?Did you not play arceus legends or read any of the old verses or the myths? Do you not understand that the reason battling in pokemon is such an integral part of the culture is that it facilitates humanity and pokemon's violent natures in healthy and productive ways?
>>59523581>>59523912Reminds me of a head canon I had as a kid where the gen 4 cross gen trade evos were unnatural.
>>59523844What does that make the USUM ultra beasts?
>>59516333The first two games had this water (or ice) - electro - fire triangle that later disappeared. You see it also in the elemental punches, in magmar/electabuzz/Jynx.
>>59516333>archeopteryx -> eevees
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what is regignosis
