enough about your favorite pokeballs, which ones suck ass
>>59538903Don't slander the Tentacruel ball.
>>59538903That's a Great ball
but that's the Kyogre ball.
>>59538908Oh you.
Beast Balls are ugly and grossly overrated.
ah, yes. the salamence ball
>>59538903all from johto
>>59538929???? The colors don't match Salamence's green at all.
>>59538953>greenthe normal isn't green tho
>>59538903Built for Salamence, Latios, Drudgrion>>59538911Kyogre is Dive Ball
>>59538903Fuck you, Great Balls are better than Ultra Balls!
>>59539029They both suck ass
I hate how Quick Balls look which sucks because utility-wise they're my favorite
>>59539036That's my favourite ballI will rape you now
Nest Balls kinda boring
>>59538903Do these red things serve any functional purpose, or are they just for decoration?>>59539036That's just Sweden for ya.
>>59539114probably decoration and to differentiate it from a regular pokeball and not make it just a pokeball but blue
>>59538908Great is okay, but amazing would be great.
>>59538903honestly the fishing ball is the one that sucks the most ass because its animation is no fucking different than the dive ball
>>59539071I like it, not a lot of options for green colored balls.>>59539036>>59538903As for Op Lure Ball, Fast Ball Quick Ball, Net BallTho net ball has grown on me for some kind that it matches, but that’s standard for every ball.
>>59538903This would look cool without the tumors growing out of it. This is supposed to be the ultimate ball. What were they thinking?
>>59538903>we have Love Balls at home
>>59539251the audino and shiny primarina ball
>>59539193Built for Mewtwo is why.>>59539193
>>59538903heavy balls are unintuitive as fuck. pokemon weights and the heavy ball thresholds are information you're not going to know offhand, so it's a total crapshoot if the ball is even helping you or if it's actually hurting your chances because you're trying to catch something that's too light.>>59539151the only problem with lure balls is that they're overshadowed by net and dive balls. conceptually they're solid with consistent utility.fast balls would be top tier if they worked properly. pokemon fleeing is painful, it's the sort of situation where you want the odds on your side for a quick capture. but of course this only applies in games where pokemon flee.
>>59539279Mewtwo doesn't have magenta tumors in his design.
I fucking hate the Friend Ball, that mohawk on the Timer Ball, Lure Ball, Great Ball, Safari Ball, Repeat Ball is horrendous and fuck the Premier Ball specially.
>>59539293Apricon balls aren't meant to be useful anyway, you're supposed to deal with their stupid shit to catch something in a cool looking ball. Moon Ball doesn't do shit to Lunala but I catch them in one anyway.
>>59538917Your mother is ugly and grossly overrated>>59539036The thing that sucks most of all about it is that the colors seldom match whatever Pokemon you catch 'em in, so not only does it signify your laziness, it looks uglier than any of the other Pokeballs that also have great catch rates but don't look like utter shit>>59539193>tumorsIt's a standard Pokeball wearing the Wario Thong, get it right
Repeat balls are the most boring balls by definition
>>59539318vivillon garden looks spectacular in a friend ball and it has a good summon animation>lure ball and safari ballwell now I know your taste is shit
The ball that everyone in this thread is guaranteed to hate.
>>59538908Badum-tsh.
>>59540134they just went ahead and did that? ruined my whole playing experience
>>59539036Hate how they match Uxie colour wise but still look shit for her.
>>59540134Pink and blue are vaporwave, don’t let trans people co-opt our colors to pretend to be cool like gays did with nyan cat and the rainbow
>>59539711I caught Chi-Yu in one without the dex entry, it was painful.
>>59539251i love this ball tho
every ball that is ass at catching pokemon sucks
>>59539251>we have dream balls at homeftfy
>>59540134use male primarina and sneasler in that ball for the ultimate chudbait.
>>59539293You reminded me that in SM heavy balls are broken and have a catch rate of zero for specific Pokémon, like for example Beldum
>>59538903Timer
whats the canonical explanation for why you cant just stuff 2-10 pokemon in a single ball?
>>59544929There isn't one and you can considering Kyurem, Caltex, and Tandemouse. Pokemon isn't a franchise big on explaining everything.
>>59539321the balls don't have unique appearances in gen 2
>>59540134Good thing it's not in any game I'd ever play
>>59539521>matching colorsTalk about lazy.
>>59538903I think the dusk ball looks like ass and I'm surprised that this opinion is unpopular
>>59538903Great ball is meh for almost every pokemon but then there's like 10 it goes perfectly with, also props for having a 3D patternMeanwhile the heal ball is plain ugly and completely outclassed by the love ball in every aspect
>>59540134>Can't mix pink and blue without people thinking you're trans>Can't grow out your hair without people thinking you're trans>Can't get a sex change without people thinking you're transThey took EVERYTHING from us
>>59544929What >>59544930 wrote. There's no official info about how pokeballs fundamentally function and why a ball couldn't hold two different pokemon or more. For all we know, the balls featured in the games and manga are just magical gachapon capsules able to force pokemon to shrink down, or in the anime high-tech devices able to convert pokemon into energy (the ancient anime-exclusive variants also rely on magic, but they would still do the energy-conversion thing).My guess would be that two pokemon cannot occupy the same space, as the magic behind that wouldn't allow it, or this would result in some (horrible) fusion like picrel (hints at that being a possibility are Bill's teleporter or Spiritomb). Similarly to (or maybe exactly because of) how two sets of data cannot occupy the same save space. Well, they could, but then you have to replace said space with something that represents both while this new representation is neither the one nor the other. Differently phrased, a mix of both. Regarding pokemon consisting of multiple entities, my guess would be that certain pokemon don't necessarily have to consist of one entity / soul / body / mind state, but can as multiple ones. Those "clusters" are for some species-specific reason stable enough to allow for the existence of multiple entities, without the danger of this cluster collapsing and merging. The capitalist answer: Can't sell more pokeballs if you keep using the same one over and over again.
>>59546205the craziest thing about pokeballs is they can capture dead souls preventing them from reaching the afterlife
>>59546371In terms of Ghost Types or in terms of fainting?
>>59544929When I was a kid and only seen some random Pokemon episodes, I thought each trainer only has one Pokeball and stores all their Pokemon in itI was even autistically mad that Jessie and James both has separated Pokeballs to store only two Pokemon
>>59538917they're hideous
>>59545246>this opinion is unpopularmaybe on planet retard
>>59540134clearly it's intended for suicide leads
>>59546812Kek. Good one.
The regular pokeballs in S/M are not good.It surprised me the first time I had breakouts on things in the red.
What pokeballs do the military and soldiers use?
>>59550394Heavy ball
pretty much all of the Legends Sinnoh balls are ugly as hell
>>59550394They use guns.
>>59550432imagine latios in that ball
>>59540134Kinda crazy that this is the only reason this board doesn't like Infinite Fusion
>>59550506Imagine Latias licking my balls
>>59550527Not really, 4chan is a magnet for people whose biggest complaints can be boiled down to "people who aren't me exist and that makes me violently angry".
>>59550527A legitimate reason.
>>59550400Increased catch rate if you use Sandwich.>>59550466Lt. Surge used his pokemon in war, so either guns, pokemon, or both.
>>59538908Heh.
Why does the Cherish Ball have this unusual shape? Does it somehow influence it's catch rate?
>>59538903I don't like the fast ball. It doesn't have anything unique and no mons match it but people love it because it's a muhrare apriball. Repeat ball is also kinda bad for balltism and I dislike the arrows visual it had in gameHeal ball kinda got btfo but dream ball for most balltism but it's still nice, it's not just a pokeball with a lightning bolt painted on I like the rest though. Hopefully gen10 gives us some new pokeball types we've been starved for ages. There's still no orange one yet
>>59538908>That's a Great ball
>>59550432Nah the sky crystal ones are neat
>>59539521>It's a standard Pokeball wearing the Wario ThongGod fucking damn it I can't unsee it now.
This one
>>59556086think of it as a sports car model
>>59556086If contrasted with the luxury ball, it would seem it is intended to be less functional but more commemorative. I could not however find a real life analogue.
>>59556106Does anyone have a lost of explanations for the origins of some of these less obvious patterns?safari is obvious, quick is obvious, net is obvious, luxury is obvious, dive is obvious, nest is obvious, quick is obviousbut the rest don't immediately yield a meaning
>>59545256>Can't get a sex change without people thinking you're trans
>>59556231Ultra ball H stands for hyper ball the JP name, that's a confirmed explanation at leastCan't explain great ball though. Master having the bumps could be an adaptation of them copying from the great ball as a step of improving it Level I guess is the V in level but otherwise it's cope. Friendball can headcanon as the yellow is the mon and the red are it's "friends" Timer ball looks like an F1 car shape which could explain the time themes. (Imo a clock looking pokeball would've fit better and looked cooler. some clockwork gears would be kino)Healball has nurse joy-like colors. If audino was in the gen it was added you could call it a tie in to that but it was gen4 Duskball kinda looks like the circle of flashlight spotlight illuminating a dark area I honestly dunno about lure or heavy. Lure matches feraligatr line from the same gen but that's about it. Maybe it was intended that way for the anime since ash caught totodile in oneThe rest are all fairly obvious to their themes I think
>>59556293Sometimes you need to infiltrate a military breakaway state in eastern europe to get back stolen nukes but simultaneously evade detection via the infrared genital scanner by any means necessary so you have to do what you gotta do to save the world :( Happened to a friend of mine
>>59556298It's an L sidewaysTimer ball is similar to old analog clock facesHeavy ball is supposed to be metallic colors or evoke heavy industrial shit ig
>>59556313I thought about the L sideways but it only works from one side. Looking at it right side it's a backwards LYeah they missed timeball having some clockwork gears to sell the deal. It looks too modern to sell the time theme Heavy ball visual in game is good, it's a hexagon's shaped like a machine bolt. I can't explain wtf the blue bumps are for on it though>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07DAV25qi1c
>>59556331>I can't explain wtf the blue bumps are for on it thoughOh I just realized they're rivets. Yeah heavy ball is top tier
>>59556298heard an explanation that the Great Ball is apparently inspired by Superman.>Great Ball is called Super Ball in Japanese>red parts parallel Superman's cape around his neck.
>>59556313>>59556331Timer Balls look like those egg timers
>>59556402>>59556430Those both make total sense. I dig it as my new canon now
>>59550530I dont remember making this post.
>>59556625Now you do.
>>59539318I use the premier ball exclusively, sorry you have no taste.
>>59538903Premier
>>59556402Holy shit!!!!
Premier Ball:>"A rare Ball that has been specially made to commemorate an event of some sort."Cherish Ball:>"A quite rare Poké Ball that has been specially crafted to commemorate an occasion of some sort."The Cherish Ball is obviously a reference to pokemon distributions via code and so on, but what are Premier Balls refering to? Is there some special event or is it just the "buy 10 + get 1 free" Pokémart offer which is the Premier Ball's entire schtick? It basically is a plain Poké Ball but recolored, yet it seems odd to name it "Premier" (or "Honor" in other languages) Ball when it's just a marketing tactic. Scrapped lore perhaps?
>>59557715Perhaps it's like a chase variant for collectors that ended up mass produced, so now stores just give them away
Not only it’s ugly and it also replaces all of the PLA exclusive vintage Pokeballs
>>59557759I think it's a really neat reference and reminder that one of Pokémon's most obscure Type is still relevant.
>>59557872it's the missingno bird type isn't it?
>>59538903Like this for me>>59557872I still wonder why they bothered to give arceus a sprite for the mystery type
>>59539071I like the nest ball, but it feels like the poor man's safari ball.
>>59557874I guess?>>59557882To confirm it's canon (and too dangerous to exist, hence why it has been "removed").
I wish the games allowed switching Pokeballs even if its just onceAlso some balls need to be available early instead of finding them midway or late into the game
>>59558004sucks to be balltistic
>>59558112They tend to go ballistic when they're angry.
>>59550466Guns that shoot Poke Balls.
>>59556086I figure it's designed to feel more ergonomic. Your thumb and an opposing finger can rest along the groove.>>59558004It would be nice but it would only encourage players to Quick Ball everything and then change it later.
>>59559210or you could not give a flying shit and keep everything in random balls?
>>59546205The funniest thing is that as per Legends Arceus reaffirming that, at least within game canon, it's the Pokemon themselves that do the shrinking to fit inside Balls, the only really technological parts of Poke Balls may be the opening/closing and locking mechanisms... (thinking about it outside of the heat of the moment, why the fuck has it even been made possible from an in-universe product design standpoint to "hack" balls from the outside so that they can't open such as what happens in SV story climax?) plus whatever design quirks specific models have for increasing likelihood of capture or making a Pokemon housed inside more comfortable, or whatever it is Heal Balls pull out to do their thing. So a simple answer would be that a Pokemon resting inside a ball would not want to share that space with another, and/or that there's a lower limit to how tiny a size all Pokemon can shrink to and Poke Balls are only made big enough to accomodate one.
>>59559210>it would only encourage players to Quick Ball everything and then change it later.Yes, and? Just have switching balls cost a specific amount per ball and the player has to pay even more if they don't provide the ball.There. Encourages players not to quick ball everything but gives them the agency to do so.
>>59559392Paying the price difference between a Quick Ball and another ball doesn't cover the true cost: the risk of the Pokémon getting away. Sending out a shiny or roaming from a normal Poké, Premier, or Luxury Ball (1x) shows they know how to play the game better than coming out from a Dusk (3x), Quick (4x), or Timer (4x) Ball. Using an easy-mode ball then putting it in a 1x ball hides your lack of skill, unless they put a outline or asterisk on every switched ball, and have it forced visible in both the UI and gameplay, including online battles and trades.
>>59559482>hides your lack of skillKek, okay autist. Nobody (who's of a sound mind) cares if the ball a pokemon is in is the one it was initially caught in.
>>59559331Cuz you want them to lock when you’re capturing them, it’s like getting a stray cat in a cage
>>59557872>>59557874??? and Bird aren't the same type.Anyway, the Level Ball is the worst.
>>59540134A ball that I am completely indifferent too but would absolutely never use under any circumstance.
>>59546205>It all started.....when I was born.
>>59556106I just wish we had a common grey ball for the numerous rock/metal pokemon
>>59559331>thinking about it outside of the heat of the moment, why the fuck has it even been made possible from an in-universe product design standpoint to "hack" balls from the outside so that they can't open such as what happens in SV story climax?It makes no fucking sense when they're just supposed to be gachapon capsules and not even have the ability to shrink pokemon down. The anime had the better idea to introduce pokeballs as technical devices and them converting pokemon into an energy-like state, but given how most autists will predictably shit on the anime as non-canon-trash, one's stuck with this weird lore.In addition, Emma's Expansion Suit also features the "Poké Ball Jack" function, which confirms modern pokeballs are full of electronics. Quoting the Secret Records by Xerosic in XY:>2. Poké Ball Jack>A hacking cable on the neck piece allows the wearer to upload a computer virus to Poké Balls and override their systems. This provides access to control the Pokémon. The virus also magnifies the Pokémon’s power.>plus whatever design quirks specific models have for increasing likelihood of capture or making a Pokemon housed inside more comfortable, or whatever it is Heal Balls pull out to do their thing.Pokeball variants must be made of different materials (Apricorn Balls requiring differently colored Apricorns, meaning those are different species (?), the Hisuan Balls having different crafting recipes, Origin Ball using Origin Ore and the Red Chain), perhaps the composition resonates differently with the pokemon essence, causing different effects.>Pokemon housed inside more comfortable>Like a suite with furnitures and stuffYeah no, that's bullshit you tell impressionable children so you don't have to explain the complicated and mundane matter at hand. Like how storks are responsible for newborns or Santa being the one who brings the presents.>>59560269Imagine the smell and orgy.
>>59560709>The anime had the better idea to introduce pokeballs as technical devices and them converting pokemon into an energy-like stateUnironically based. Trvth Nvke!
>>59560709There does seem to be some amount of disconnect in this matter, still. Both game canon and what seems to be happening in the anime canon make sense independent of each other, but both are muddled by the existence and occasionally-appearing elements of the other. If game-canon balls are, at their very simplest, just a gashapon capsule with a lock mechanism, then what exactly IS all the electronic stuff that the modern balls clearly have *for*? What is the purpose of them having software, to a point where they can be remotely disabled or even the Pokemon inside somehow "controlled"? And on the anime side, we have relatively clear visuals of another apparent explanation for the balls' functions (energy-matter conversion), but then, how much of the game canon applies to this version, if at all outside of the basic inspiration?Also I don't see why you'd object to the idea of a poke ball's interior having comfort considerations. In the case of Pokemon shrinking to fit inside, it's perfectly sensible. In the case of energy conversion, we still have to work with it being obviously canon that the Pokemon are still conscious in there the whole time, given they can exit the balls of their own volition, etc. They must have some sort of "experience" in there. Hell, it's part of the characterisation for the most prominent monster character in the anime, Ash's Pikachu, that he doesn't like being inside a ball.
>>59556402I honestly never would have guessed.This is also the icing on the cake previously baked that we miss out on a lot by not knowing the Japanese names.
>>59556347I can't imagine any suggestion being more likely.
>>59556331This suggests that the Repeat Ball is a chain of infinity.
>>59539318>and fuck the Premier Ball specially.incurable shit taste
>>59556402Actual deepest lore. Shame the great ball, like every middle rank or tier in every game ever, is utterly forgotten by being neither your first experience nor the most effective of its kind.
>>59539193I always thought it was supposed to loosely resemble Mewtwo's color scheme and design
>>59561516It's more likely a reference to the double helix structure of DNA.Once registered, a pokemon's biology is identified, granting the Repeat Ball all the necessary information to exploit this species' weaknesses, in order to improve the capture rate (at least that's my explanation).
>>59539521>Your mother is ugly and grossly overratedNo, you're ugly and grossly overrated
>>59561694that is likely, but not exclusively so, because the arrow loop animation could be referencing replication as well as ad infinitum
>>59561670There is no magenta on Mewtwo. Mewtwo however is considered to be based upon Frieza, who is magenta and purple, as well as bulbous, and characterized in no small part by two protruding masses on the sides of his head.
>>59561494It's really odd why the English translation even had to completely redefine certain names and concepts. Did they want to be special or what? You won't find any of those issues in German for example.>>59556298 Ultra Balls are a perfect blatant example for this, the yellow H literally alludes to the name, so why even change it? And when SM came out, there were now two Ultra Balls: The Japanese Hyper Ball, and the ball designed to catch Ultrabeasts. An avoidable issue if the English translation would have simply adapted the Hyper Ball name.Another example would be Lt. Surge, who's actually a Major in the Japanese original. That's not only a name change, but a major (heh) alteration of his character, implying a Major would be a greater authority than a Lieutenant. No reason for making such a drastic change either.
>>59561875Well, the double helix also repeats the same pattern, so there's that.
>>59538903Great balls suck ass, I agree.Additionally, the English names for the Super Ball and Hyper Ball suck ass as well.Super and Hyper are much better than Great and Ultra, and they also fall in line with the naming scheme used for the potions (Super/Hyper).
>>59563013>Additionally, the Japanese names for the Great Ball and Ultra Ball suck ass as well.Ftfy. You'll always be a gaijin to them.
>>59563013>Super and Hyper are much better than Great and Ultra, and they also fall in line with the naming scheme used for the potions (Super/Hyper)Great and Ultra parallel the comparative functions of Super and Hyper (super and great describing something being better or above the standard Poké Ball, and ultra and hyper being even better or higher above). The issue isn't that great and ultra are incorrectly used, but rather why super and hyper had to be rewritten in the first place, when those terms already exist in the same meaning in the English language.>>59563101>literally carrying over concepts from one language to another is considered cocksucking nowGrim.
>>59561178>If game-canon balls are, at their very simplest, just a gashapon capsule with a lock mechanism, then what exactly IS all the electronic stuff that the modern balls clearly have *for*? What is the purpose of them having software, to a point where they can be remotely disabled or even the Pokemon inside somehow "controlled"?It really is convoluted and nonsensical when the entire shrinking mechanism can be broken down to pure magic. Electronics would make only sense when it's all about tracking a pokeball or to ID the captured pokemon, but those are just external functions which don't affect the pokemon directly. It can't be stressed enough that the game-canon pokeballs aren't responsible for causing a pokemon to shrink down / to put them inside the ball, since that's what pokemon naturally do, according to lore. All a pokeball does is confining a pokemon and influencing the catch rate, considering the materials used for that specific pokeball may have some magical effect on the pokemon to make it stay inside. But the idea that a computer virus can now suddenly affect a pokemon is really disconnected. Unless, this is just magic reinterpreted as Sci-Fi in order to make the presented tech and lore appear futuristic and marvelous, without looking antique. The issue is just that the technical aspect is redundant, as it could be easily replaced with more magic.
>>59563101Bodied that weeb.
>>59561178>And on the anime side, we have relatively clear visuals of another apparent explanation for the balls' functions (energy-matter conversion), but then, how much of the game canon applies to this version, if at all outside of the basic inspiration?The anime had from the start its own drastical reinterpretations of the franchise. The most blatant example being how pokemon are never depicted as shrinking down in the sense of their bodies turning smaller and smaller, but them turning into a flurry of light / energy (heard somewhere this was for budget reasons, as drawing pokemon turning into smaller forms would be too complicated in the long run, compared to just drawing blobs of mono-colored lights. But given how most episodes and movies play into this energy-conversion idea (that one giant Jigglypuff / Alakazam / Gengar episode with solid artifacts being able to dispense those pokemon, or the Lucario movie where a gemstone is used to contain said Lucario.), it seems like an intentional choice. Another example being that not the pokemon shrink down, but it's actually the pokeball that does the "magic" (far later in the series in SM, Faba introduces the class to a shrinking ray machine which he states is used in pokeballs. This episode however conflicts with the previous "established" anime canon, as the shrinking ray actually shrinks the pokemon (or in this case humans) down and not turn them into energy). The original and game-canon ideas are still referenced (like in that one Ninetales ghost episode where a porcelain pokeball ("Lokoko Ball") with the concept art design is used, which is notably missing the technical interior all the other pokeballs have), but it's really hard to draw any hard conclusions from any of those episodes, as most introductions to anime-exclusive, ancient or unusual pokeballs were one-offs, confined to one episode, never to be referenced again in the future. [...]
[...] Because to be sincere, they were always just filler episodes which were never meant to have a major or longlasting impact on the entire series, other than elements canonically existing in the games.>Also I don't see why you'd object to the idea of a poke ball's interior having comfort considerations.It's more about the idea that there's literally a physical room with solid objects inside the balls, when all we see is either them being just black void hollow balls (game canon) or technical instruments designed to keep compressed energy inside (anime-canon). Then again, it doesn't seem to fucking matter, since all of this is already based on loony magic, why not also have a pocket dimension with a giant villa inside each pokeball? The anime also has very few contradicting examples of what it's like for the pokemon to be inside a ball (picrel), but then again those are also just episode-confined wacky interpretations. For my part, I believe they are just visual representations for the pokemon essence and consciousness residing inside the balls, which would be much better and less disturbing to convey to the (young) audience than having a compresses ball of energy trapped inside a container.
>>59556402Providing further evidence, the official Red Green artwork also included an S.
>>59539251Instructions unclear...
>Thread started about hating pokeballs>Ended up being a pokeball lore and design origin threadNice
>>59565317GS Ball should be S-Tier. Your list is a fail.
>>59565317>pester ball in FThis anon is the Charmander I sat and threw pester balls at for ten straight minutes while stuck in front of the Moltres egg.
>>59565317>>59565402Technically speaking, the Pester Ball doesn't at all fit into this category, since it doesn't catch pokemon.
>>59565317Based dive enjoyer
>>59550466Pokemon are way scarier than bombs. Steelix would one shot the US Army's conventional weaponry.
>>59565470>Implying the US Army wouldn't adapt to this new reality and develop Antimon weapons or us pokemon themselves in combination with their arsenal (hybrid warfare).
>>59550432the hisui balls were kind of cool. too bad they aren't able to leave hisui
>>59565528Kinda odd why those variants (Origin one perhaps as well) weren't adapted in the future. The Poké, Great and Ultra Ball were conceived at this time, so why not the other ones?https://archive.palanq.win/vp/thread/58927958/#q58928530Also interesting to note that the Feather and Heavy Balls (aside from the Poké Ball, technically speaking) are the only variants to have upgraded versions.
>>59565323The GS Ball was so shit the anime literally forgot about it
>>59556106Fast ball matches Cinderace though
>>59567052The anime's written by hacks. The GS Ball mogs all others. Period.
My Gen 8 and 9 collection needs a balltism upgrade for the non legendaries (caught Wo-Chein) in a safari ball woo) but I can't be bothered since ZA had NPC's heavily tease new Pokeballs being a thing in Wind/Waves.I really should get a Zorua in a Premier Ball to breed onto Hissuian Zorua though.
>>59567052The GS ball gives you a mythical Pokemon in the games
>>59559392It's bad game design. It encourages the player to get a nigh guaranteed catch on the first turn without bothering to battle.
>>59559219Read the reply chain.
>>59561893It's rare for a Legendary / Mythical to get its own dedicated ball.
>>59560709>Yeah no, that's bullshit you tell impressionable children so you don't have to explain the complicated and mundane matter at hand.Explain the Luxury Ball/Friend Balls, then.
>>59569444Whatever material composition the Luxury and Friend Balls' hulls use, it causes the caught pokemon (essence) to resonate well to it, increasing it's wellbeing and making it more docile towards its trainer.
>>59550432Nah you just have shit taste
>>59567410fits for both chains ngl.
>>59561178going by what's known>https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/History_of_Pok%C3%A9_Ballsthe game canon lore doesn't give much of an explanation or any hints at what pokeballs fundamentally are or how they basically work. We only get info about:>past Hisui pokeballs made by hand (and totally not a retcon and inspired by their future appearence) and their future mass-produced successors, also implying there was and only is only line of pokeball model / architecture used over the years>how the shrinking mechanism was randomly discovered in 1925 when a Mankey hid in a glasses case (going by official non-game media, which as already mentioned conflicts with current lore)>them being for some reason based on organic Apricorn fruits and later on synthetic materials (?) (lots of questions regarding colored Apricorns: Why weren't they used in the past similar to the Brown species? Are they modern inventions? Is the method Kurt uses to produce Johto Balls entirely different compared to the one to produce Hisuan balls? Could modern Poké, Great and Ultra Balls still be created using Brown Apricorns and additives? Why aren't there any Brown Apricorns to be found in games set in the present time?). >different additives being used to enhance or alter the pokeball's catch behavior (unexplained how these would even affect the pokemon, when it's not the pokeball, but the pokemon which initiates the shrinking; we can only assume the pokeball material has some passive magical or physical effect on the pokemon)(also going by PLA, for some unexplained reason Feather and Heavy Balls and their upgrades as well as the Origin Ball were abandoned)>some pokeballs are so complex that their research and production is difficult or limited, resulting in them being later invented (Master Ball)>ongoing research and introduction of new pokeball variants>single skilled individuals and entire corporations like Silph, Devon and an unspecified corpo in Kalos producing pokeballs
>some very limited details about the logistics and production of pokeballs (of particular interest would have been where and how rare sources of raw materials are and when they are considered worth mining, how raw materials are gathered and processed, what other uses they have aside from being used for pokeball production etc.; but as expected, we get nothing of use, aside from natural deposits in PLA and Apricorn trees in various games) >they somehow limiting a pokemon's true strength (according to Cyrus), meaning you need other means (e.g. Red Chain) to bring out a pokemon's true powers>there being other forms of containers suitable as pokeball alternatives (already mentioned glasses case, Aether cage), which are somehow rarely used or shown>how their main purpose is catching and keeping pokemon, not containing those like prisoners (Terapagos breaking out of a Master Ball), so pokemon seem (?) free to leave at any moment>they are affected by Dynamax and can grow in size>the modern variants featuring electronics, which as repeatedly shown or implied can be disrupted, hacked and even enhance the pokemon itself (the latter being another weird detail, as they seemingly do indeed affect a pokemon, instead of being just a dumb container; again probably something about the pokeball's material or hull magically influencing a pokemon, similar to pokeball variants)>there's a rule for having only six pokemon at hand (not explained why not more)>Pokemon being bound to their pokeballs, as seen with trading and teleporting them into PCs>trainers being able to tame pokemon without a pokeball (Elm, also as seen in PLA), so they're more a convenience than a necessity>them being able to hold multiple entities and inanimate objects attached to those, though it's not precisely explained why that is and why some combined pokemon species (Slowbro line variants = Slowpoke + Shellder; Rider Calyrex; Necrozma Infestation) are exceptions to this rule
>the Odd Keystone which contains Spiritomb could be an ancient and arcane method of containing spirits, though it's not really further elaborated and if there's a connection to pokeballs To sum up the game canon, we know more about how a pokeball behaves than why it does what it does. They just arbitrarily do what they do, and the lore never really elaborates on why. Also no clear distinction either if pokeballs are just containers or if they influence or even induce the shrinking process of pokemon. Variants and the reason why they're variants are also unexplained; we are only shown different materials being used (colored Apricorns, colored Tumblestones, Iron, Origin Ore + Red Chain), but it remains a mystery what particular effects each of those might have.
>>59539036Looks good on Manectric though
>>59570783>>59570797>>59570799There's also this monologue from Lucian (the bottommost one). In Platinum, we still had offhand lore morsels in the games reinforcing that it's the Pokemon who do the shrinking (translated as "curling up tight" in English here, so even translators were a bit on this).
>>59570827>a bit on this*a bit lost on this, even.
>>59570827Thanks. This further adds to the discrepancy between pokemon and pokeball induced shrinking.
>>59538903this fuckin piece of shit for making kid me think it's better than it actually is>>59545256I don't gaf about that I'm a guy with hair down to my ass and I hate troons
>>59570827So the lore was shit even in Sinnoh. Interesting, but it still should've been retconned.Leave it to GF to always fuck everything up, though.
>>59538944Love the way they look but the way the formula for those ball work is still kind of shit.
>>59571845bet you'd look plappable if shaved >:3
>>59571845The England Ball.
>>59572995Catch some fookin' mons.
>>59539193Wario's tight thong
>>59562099I think the ultra ball just went based on easy enough to understand American English. Hyper isn't inherently intuitive and would lead to some confusion, which wouldn't be good considering it's the best ball. We have to remember pokemon was at one time a new IP and had to play it safe. Localization always just goes with the easier to understand option. Great vs Hyper is ambiguous, whereas great and ultra ( sharing the base ultimate,vergi the ultimate ball) have a hierarchy.
>>59565317Incredible taste.
>>59573397ThisDigimon had the same issue with it's localized evolution names, that resulted in the same translation snarls, with Perfect and then Ultimate, becoming Ultimate and then Mega. There's an ambiguous/contrary hierarchy to the Japanese-used English words, that English adaptations change because it's not intuitive to English speakers. In other non-Japanese languages, they just use the Japan-English because it's arbitrary to them anyways, but in English, the name choices are more ambiguous and harder to parse. Hyper and Great have no real qualitative relationship to eachother, while Great and Ultra doPerfect just doesn't make sense as the non-final evolution in English (but Ultimate was a very unfortunate choice given that the next stage is called Ultimate in Japanese.)
>>59573397>>59573929Regarding velocities, terms like supersonic and hypersonic seem intuitive, so idk if hyper is really that abstract or rarely used. Ultrasound describes something entirely unrelated.Maybe it's just me, but "super" or "great" always described how something's better compared to a standard, and "hyper" and "ultra" underlined or exaggerated the superiority of said object even more.
>>59556159Enjoy
>>59538903The heal ball is kind of underwhelming and its gimmick is short of being useless. The lure ball is made redundant because of the dive ball and net ball which also look somewhat better
>>59538917And totally shit to use
>>59573992Hehe
>>59575774Heal Ball would be useful if Pokémon was a survival game and free healthcare / instant healing items / Pokécenters were scarce / non-existentAs for the latter three, it's kinda difficult to fix it as all of these overlap in their purpose (fishing <-> water environment <-> Water Types). Maybe increase the catch rate (5x) of the Lure Ball to justify it's existence as a ball specialized in fishing, as 4x doesn't seem that better compared to 3,5x. Or alter the Dive Ball into what its name suggests, a Ball intented for underwater use (useless in game without diving mechanics, I know).
>>59575774Heal ball is just an excuse to be a link Pokeball, I got a lot of girly shit in them.
Does he match a Strange Ball or is that just cope for me wanting to use the Alpha I caught in Arceus over breeding a new one?
The NIGGERBALL designed to catch NIGGERS because there are too many NIGGERS to catch with it!!!!
>>59539036>most broken pokeball is the ugliestIt makes perfect sense.
>>59575871It would be cool if the Heal Ball healed a percentage of the Pokemon's HP after battle.
>>59539028Latios wants Premiere Ball to match Luster Purge's animation better.
>>59576074Then it would be too useful and everyone would use it for everything. Luxury Ball will remain the only ball with a lasting benefit.
>>59539036fuck you
>>59576087Then make it more expensive, it still only has a 1x catch rate.
>>59576329Could be one solution.
>>59539071Safari Ball's cousin, design-wise.
>>59573992A shame there aren't more pokeball references (aside from the shiny).
>>59539193It looks like a pokeball plushie which someone put Waluigi panties on upside-down.
>>59556430Who the fuck would cook eggs for 55+ minutes?
I have this headcanon where the cherish ball is the rich bastard's ball of choice which would explain why you can't get it. All those cool eventmons that come in them? Wealthy sponsors.
>>59539036Perfect for a Grappleoct
>>59560709>>Pokemon housed inside more comfortable>>Like a suite with furnitures and stuffI think when the pokemon are converted to energy they get digitized, sorta like Sun/Moon's Poképelago for the pokemon in the pc PC, pokemon in their balls get a simulated matrix world to hang out in.
>>59581823I always imagined it's like one of the bottom screens in XY. Now that i actually need it I can't find any pictures of it but you could cycle it between that, the PSS, and super training. Maybe it was where you accessed Amie from but i remember it had screensaver/desktop buddy vibes with your party wandering around and you could change themes/decorations on it or something like that? Its been a while and I didn't particularly like XY so i've memoryholed most of it but i swear i'm not making that bit up
>>59581843That was a thing yes, i just replayed X
>>59539193It's made for Venonat, it's even got a little squiggle where the mouth should go.
>>59581823>I think when the pokemon are converted to energy they get digitized, sorta like Sun/Moon's Poképelago for the pokemon in the pc PC, pokemon in their balls get a simulated matrix world to hang out in.This anon gets it. Fuck those troglodytes at gamefreak.
>>59580335Would be kind of fun secret. If you kept leveling a Voltorb without evolving it, it would get the new designs. Like 50-75 Great Form, 76-99 Ultra form, 100 Master Form
>>59539251>pastel pink as a 3D model and all media>deep hot pink in the status screen of the mainline gamesHad to go looking for this image and it seems they finally fixed the menu sprite in SV, >The time between the Japanese release of Pokémon Diamond and Pearl on September 28, 2006, and the release of Pokémon Scarlet and Violet on November 18, 2022, is 16 years, 1 month, and 21 days (or 5,895 total days).Average Game Freak improvement wait time.
>>59582703Similar issue with the red half of the regular Poké Ball and all variants based on its design. Starting from their introduction in Gen3 up to Gen8 (until Gen9 abandoned sprites in favor of using artworks for depicting items), the in-game sprites had an orange hue, instead of the reddish or red-pinkish color Poké Balls were usually depicted in various media back then. It could have been an artistic choice to deal with the odd coloring issues of the Gameboy's screen back then, but that wouldn't hold true with Gen4 when the NDS screens had already better lighting. Not to mention other sprites in those games depicting Poké Balls had the correct reddish color, meaning it's a clear proof that Game Freak simply lazily copied the sprite sheets from one game to another without correcting them.
>>59580374people
>>59561694>>59561516Isn't it just meant to be the center circle repeated across the top of the ball
>>59575774The Heal Ball is what Pokeballs should have been. They are useful in early game and dungeons where backtracking to a Pokemon Center is inconvenient.
>>59582703Kek. And quite a few people are expecting WW to not be trash.
>>59583799That was the notion in some earlier posts.
>>59561694I caught Chi-Yu in a Repeat Ball without the dex entry and you'd swear they nerf the rate below 1 without the dex data considering it took multiple attempts and like 200 balls.
Ultra Balls really do starting in gen 4, why would I use an ultra ball when I could use a quick, timer, dusk, or net ball?
>>59587061Outside of the rare balltism. I haven't used a timer ball since Gen 4 despite the buff when Critical captures exist.
new balltism idea
>>59587944Its giving incel
>>59565252Pokeballs are simply too iconic to hate.>>59562099So it turns out the reason for replacing Super and Hyper with Great and Ultra were "trademark restrictions" ... what? Why isn't that bullshit, when several languages kept the original names?>https://tcrf.net/Development%3APok%C3%A9mon_Red_and_Blue/Localization_Glossaries/English
>>59589413>Why isn't that bullshit, when several languages kept the original names?Trademarks are country specific. If Wham-O or Williams didn't register their respective games with a nation's IP office, Nintendo wouldn't have to worry about getting sued for it there.
>>59589484That's ... lame.
>Strange ball is built for Shiny Dialga>Diagla is shiny locked in Legends.
>>59590751>That's... good.Ftfy. Great and Ultra are improvements on the japanese names.
>>59556402>>59556298>Ultra Ball is Hyper Ball>Great Ball is Super Ball and MIGHT be inspired by SupermanHuh, what a coincidence DC has a character whose powers are described as "hyper" (he's basically another galaxy's equivalent to Superman but older and more experienced) and he sort of has the Ultra Ball's color scheme with the yellow and black stripes on his well...pelvis
>>59593026Such superior improvements that English-speaking anons are clueless what they're based on, unless you point out the original names and design, and everything comes together. I'd stick with Super and Hyper.>>59593043Unsurprisingly, GF back then might have just taken inspiration from pop culture, like they do to this day.
>>59593160>English-speaking anons are clueless what they're based onIt's not any kind of mystery, we already have Super and Hyper potions.
>>59593339Why not stick with these comparative words?
>>59594957>Why not stick with these comparative words?Because Superball was already a major toy brand and would have caused legal issues. Using that original name in English was never an option.
>>59575974kek
I just use poke/great/ultra/master/safari the other ones are gay.
>>59593160You'll always be gaijin to them.
>>59595151>>59563159
>>59538903I've realized I despise pokeballs that don't have a solid white bottom, with Cherish and Luxury balls being the only exceptions. They just look way too cluttered.
Great Potions and Ultra Potions
>>59595127
>>59538903all of the balls added in gen 2, theyre all fucking stupid and hyperspecific to the point where theres no reason to ever use them unless you have balltismapricorns are a cute mechanic and all but i wish hgss retconned out the gen 2 balls and just assigned the gen 3/4 to the apricorns instead
>>59597961The Love and Friend Ball have a purpose, but they're also way too rare to bother with.
>>59538903I hate the great ball, skip it entirely.
>>59598548Even for Salamence?
>>59550559YWNBAW
>>59598431Nothings worse for a feature than ending up as a gimmick.
>>59599282If only Game Freak didn't treat them as one-off trophies.
>>59595127An inverted Love Ball would be gay.
>>59573992Would be an interesting idea if the Voltorb and Foongus line had alternative forms based on pokeballs, with unique abilities inspired by them.
>>59600656Similar to Vivillon, which could be either purely cosmetical, or have additional small perks limited to their form.Considering the Foongus line being mushrooms, which get their nutrients from plants and trees, they could in the case of colored Apricorn trees mimic the Johto Balls and appear more fequently around these trees.
I confess I put my catch crushes in the loveball
>>59600712poke crushes* Sry
Why luxury ball, of course
>>59600760>yellow instead of goldYou've got scammed, Anon.
>>59595692>I've realized I despise pokeballs that don't have a solid white bottomYeah, I agree, it kind of fucks up the whole pokeball aesthetic. At the very least, the bottom's color shouldn't match the top even if it's not white, but oddly enough there's no design like that.
>>59600868Now that I think about it, the Safari Ball should have had the camo pattern on both halves (similar to how the Dive Ball is a ball made for water environments). The white is out of place and completely disrupts the illusion.
>>59550432Both the highest tier look overdesigned.
>>59539028>No red on your Kyogre ball2/10
Bump
I really wanna see if they do these from the leak
>>59604264context?
>>59575970Too pink.
>>59567126What did it even do aside from being a Key Item for Celebi, similar to the Origin Ball? Does it even have a catch rate?
>>59607653No, it's just a key item.
>>59538944Maybe industrialization wasn't that bad and so-called artisan balls are just a waste of time and resources
>>59556086It's so the ball can be held at different angles to reveal the letters T P C and I
>>59575974
>>59570783>>59570797>>59570799Pokeball lore in the anime.high-res version:>https://files.catbox.moe/v019qi.jpg
>>59539036These are the goat for filling out dexesBut yeah the design isnt something id use for a shiny
>>59556086This was always my favorite, it looks sleek as fuck
>>59607773>gigaIf you know, you know.
>>59550432The heavy balls kinda suck ass with out much variety, but the sky balls are great!
>>59579101For me it's the alpha safari ball design, "rental ball." Yes it's literally just a pokeball but green, fuck you.
The fact that there are so many bad looking Pokeballs proves gamefreak can't design worth a shit. And their good designs are totally by accident.
>>59573397>Hyper isn't inherently intuitive and would lead to some confusion,No it is not and if you genuinely believe this sentence you are clinically retarded.
>>59612087The Starters could have been originally distributed in red, green and blue (also yellow) pokeballs, for better distinction.
>>59538903Fucking despise this piece of shit Pokéball.>Always x1 catch chance>NO special way to increase the modifier>On par with using another Pokéball in the wrong situation.>Weaker than even the red and blue ball in OP which has a x1,5 modifierI swear to god these pieces of shit are manufactured in india SAAAAR. They are that shitty and low quality.I hate having my starter stuck in one of these.
>>59613545I only use pokeballs.As a result, I fucking hate Z-A.
>>59613552>I only use pokeballs.You are a fat ugly brown gay pedophile transgender indian "woman" who likes watching other men fuck your transgender "boy"friend.
>>59613558Wrong, I am a White man who doesn't take the easy way out. I will conquer the land with my homogeneous team of Pokemoon.
>>59613563>I will conquer the land with my homogeneous team of Pokemoon.Good luck catching anything more than rattata and bidoof with your shitballs.
>>59613573I don't need luck. I have skill.I got a gen 3 living dex all in pokeballs.
>>59613600>Wasting 100000 hours of your life throwing 8 billion impotent Pokéballs at mons until you catch them by pure luck rather than investing into superior technology.
>>59613605Works on my machine
>>59613616I prefere efficient and intelligent ways to catch my Pokémon over being a faggot who throws made in india slopballs at the rate of a machine gun and still takes 10 hours to catch Mawile.
