Come here for talk about all things Pokémon Mystery Dungeon.Previous thread: https://arch.b4k.dev/vp/thread/59465964/ >>59465964Romhacks Overview/Reviews: https://rentry.org/pmdglphPMD Fan Fiction Archive: https://rentry.org/pmdg-ffarchivePMD Guides: https://pastebin.com/Dbq61R5uExplorers of Sky Romhacking Guide: https://rentry.org/skytempleguideEverything about the Clover Guild: https://cloverguild.com/Drawing Board: https://magma.com/d/1JUhME2Nh1Drawing Request: https://rentry.org/DrawReqPublicPMD Comic Reviews: https://rentry.org/PMDComicReviewsQuestions:>What do you think of PMD giving moves original effects, like Hypnosis in later games? >Do you think PMD should add more completely original moves like wide slash? If so, give some ideas.>What scene is your favorite in any of the PMD games?>Why do you think Pokémon can only evolve in specific places like luminous cave?Recap of the previous thread:>The New Clover Lore page has been updated>Jolteon-anon joins the guild and releases his first 2 stories (https://rentry.co/hmz69r8w and https://rentry.co/nn3na7t3)>Discussion on the changes between RT and RTDX, how dynamax could work in a hypothetical new PMD game, and the quality of some of the PMD games' stories.
Got Explorers of Sky successfully running on my Wii-U!
>>59547634If I had a nickel for everytime a rodent-like pokemon evolved into a mustelid-like pokemon I’d have two nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird it happened twice and in the same generation no less
>>59547634That Sentret looks like a chicken nugget.That is all.
>>59547634>>What do you think of PMD giving moves original effects, like Hypnosis in later games? interesting>>Do you think PMD should add more completely original moves like wide slash? If so, give some ideas.dunno if cheating but pmdo has like cone-shaped moves so a move that takes advantage of a sputtering range like that would be neat. i like the idea of shorter range moves like quick attack being useful without being awful, my idea for a move would be along those veins>>What scene is your favorite in any of the PMD games?the scene in the post game of explorers where the partner confesses after cresselia comes along and wigglytuff comforts your team has always tugged at my heart>>Why do you think Pokémon can only evolve in specific places like luminous cave?it's my headcanon that those spots awaken a sort of spiritual light that can't be ascertained from too many other places. caves are underground, and springs well from underground, etc etctree of life being self explanatory
How common are teams that are either thieves, treasure hunters, or just want to be rich? I was gonna make one with Venusaur, Meowth, and Gengar.
>>59548006Very common but a Venusaur probably wouldn’t be on one of those, far too fat and sluggish to treasure hunt.
>>59547634>What do you think of PMD giving moves original effects, like Hypnosis in later games?On the player side its kinna whatever, but on the enemy side it helps foes be more than blobs with stats and typings. I specially strenght in DX, how it can yeet enemies to you. And Rock Smash breaking walls is an OG.Sometimes though the now effect doesn't shine cos it's on bad pokemon, such as with Spalsh now hopping to the back of your line.>Do you think PMD should add more completely original moves like wide slash? If so, give some ideas.I don't think PMD is gonna add more typeless damage moves, right after Explorers with Wide Slash, they capped the regular attack's damage to 5 (ignore any attacks from Bittercold/Void Shadows/Dark Matter that may be typeless).Original move effects can always be added to moves that are kinna whatever, like rock smash, hypnosis, etc.>What scene is your favorite in any of the PMD games?I may say the scene of the partner jumping into the air to reach the Tree of Life in super just because I find it extremely funny and it's ultimaately pointless (the music's also pretty good)>Why do you think Pokémon can only evolve in specific places like luminous cave?The DS and GBA would shit their pants if they had to load the sprite of the evolved mon into memory in floors with big pools of enemy pokemon,, they'd have to be loaded before hand, and that'd be too much memory taken up.The first two games even have unused enemy evolution mecanics, but it requires the mon to have its evolution loaded into that floor's enemy pool (even if they have a 0% spawn chance).
>>59548575I'm NOT getting you more perfect apples FUCK YOUUUUU
>>59548820Did you know that the original name of Perfect Apples in Japanese is "Sekai Ichi", which is a reference to a real life type of apple sold in Japan? Wonder how many Japanese kids asked their parents for them because of PMD.
>>59548758I guess it'll stay as a Bulbasaur for it to move around easily
>jump back into a modded EoS rom I tweaked a few months ago>stopped at the postgame and completely forgot what changes I made beyond some starters>unlock Surrounded Sea>"Pikachu Disharge, gg no re">forgot I upped the odds for Monster Houses in postgame dungeons>forgot I added Goldeen/Seaking to all Water dungeons and gave them Lightningrod>also decided to give some fuckers Rain Dance as a level up move, and most of them have Swift SwimProbably one of the worst times I had in any dungeon so far because I can completely balance or design shit.
>>59549736You could make Venusaur the fat mob boss who leads his team from the shadows
>>59547634>rodents edition>both evolve into rodent hunters
>>59550336That's the next thread, don't get too ahead of yourself.
>>59549879You should set some floors to be forced one-room monster dungeons for extra fun.
>>59553306Bulbasaur thinks he's part of the team
>>59554680Team Go-Getters turned him away and now he's desperate for love and attention.
>>59554680Hey at least he can learn bullet seed, and gets sleep powder on level up.
>>59555760That special not just completing the Kanto Trio will never not make sense. There shouldn’t have been a “trio” in the first place.
>>59549879Why would you think doing any of this was a good idea?
>>59549879>making the game harder for urself instead of making ur special OCs overpowered with fanfic movesetsngmi
>>59556520I guess they wanted a female in the main cast and chikorita fits that better than bulbasaur? Still a weird choice, especially since they didn't use any gen 3 starters at all when they could've shilled gen 3 there.
Reason why they had Squirtle and Charmander in the anime special is because Squirtle is the stand in for Blue rescue team and Charmander the one for red rescue team (They are both to the front of their respective box art, and the game icon for Blue Rescue Team on the DS is Squirtle)It wasn't about the Kanto trio. The probably just wanted to round out Fire and Water with Grass, and Chikorita had the edge of being the girly one.
>>59558795Should have added the Blue RT game icon to the earlier post. But I'll take this oportunity to say that the Squirtle looks really weird.Why is he making that face?
>>59557925>>59558795it's because of the pecha scarf plot, bulba is part poison and so having a pecha scarf would be pointlessof course if there's another reason i wouldn't know it
>>59559354Chikorita's just a better design all around
I love Charmander + Squurtle PMD pairs
>>59558816That isn't what Squirtle's in-game portrait looks like at all. Is it a beta version maybe that they forgot to replace later on?
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>>59560407Ok now do them kissing
>>59559400>>59560407It’s a surprisingly rare pair, but yeah it works really well design wise. The eye color contrast punctuates the common red + blue scarves.
>>59560541For me it's Torchic + Piplup
>>59560493But anon, they're both males...
>>59561113
Still the best special episode.
>>59561647That's not a heated competition, nor a trophy you'd want to hold.
>>59563082>have dual type advantage against it>still scared shitlessFaggot cowardly dragonite
>>59563082Missed opportunity to have the Klefki have a dungeon key attached to him.Now I'm imagining a Klefki outlaw that goes arounds stealing dungeon keys from adventure teams. Not to unlock treasure rooms or anything, just to have.
>IQ 600>Acute Sniffer>Stair Sensor>Map Surveyor>Trap SeerI'm ready for Amp Plains now
>>59563565>Acute SnifferThis thing's worthless. That multi-second long pause at the start of a floor is just because it has to display the message telling you how many items there are.Know what else tells you the item count? Xray Specs.
>>59563565>no absolute moverWeak.
>>59565473>TepigThat's one you never see. Even for most Gates fanart it's always the other 4.
>>59565473>"You're depressed because you stay in your room all day, everyday, instead of travelling the world.">Thanks now im depressed in Baram Town
You're depressed because you're not in the PMD world.
>>59566444Pretty much.
>>59566444being a vulpix with a purple scarf and no memory of being a human would fix most of my problems yeah
>>59566444I'd probably be depressed in Baram Town. But it might help?
Just remember, no one is circumcised in the Pokémon world.
>>59567158How would you even circumcise a traffic cone?
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>>59567422>traffic conegiving me the 2008 vibes
>>59566124What is Baram milling that requires that many windmills?
>>59568222I imagine the small ones are privately own by diferent residents, though the big central one could have been turned into or be built as a landmark, and its funtion is just to pump water to the fountain bellow, as the town is rather far away from the rive and rather elevated from the sea water.
>>59565954Most Gates teams/fanart I see almost always has Axew because who the fuck isn't going to pick Axew with those choices
for me it was player oshawott partner snivy :)
>>59568946>>59567670Super Mystery Dungeon and its consequences have been a disaster for the PMD fanbase.
>>59569405Super can't explain the sparkle dog Vulpix and Shinx OCs.Oddly enough you don't really see much on that level for the Rescue Team only options. Cubone and Machop bros know to keep their OCs tame.
>>59569423Machop OC's are about as common as seeing humans in the games themselves. People that got Machop in RT probably ended up hating the game.
just replayed EoS for the first time in over a decade and I’m really grateful that my nigga mothim has a place in the franchise to shine. quiver dance, silver wind and G IQ group is incredible. game is even better than I remembered, such a charming, engaging experience with depth to both gameplay and story, just everything about it is so much fun, and there’s so much to do. genuine 10/10 game.
>>59569473Now go beat Destiny Tower
>>59568946it's legit fun and the way he draw is really cool, it's a legit recommendation for me
>>59568946>that chespin
>>59570577Is there any unique party member dialogue if you somehow hack primal dialga onto your team?
>>59571405Why would they account and add special dialogues for something that should never happen at that point of the game?
>>59571405Looking with Skytemple, P.Dialga is assigned talk group 255, but there are only 68, so it will either default to error mesages, a game crash or some default talk group.If it were like pink Celebi, a relatively usable mon who has a talk group of her own, you can see there are dummy mesages for situations were pink Celebi wouldn't be presesnt, such as been talked to in the cafe.
>>59571563pink celebi is a fucking dummy
>>59559400My first PMD pair was Bulbasaur + Charmander in Blue. It really screwed me over because I didn't know how to play the game well. Rayquaza took so many attempts...
>>59571600Well yeah, Picking a Grass type in any PMD game is suicide.
>>59569473>gen 4 game>Quiver Dance???
>>59568946I am a mudkip and I hate chespin, so congratulations on postig my most despised PMD picture
>>59572128>I am a mudkiptell me your secrets
>>59572133My autism is wishing I was a ditto mudkip living close to goldenrod in a semi secret pokemon only base, married to a Blastoise wife
>>59572784What did you order to get a cardboard box nearly the size of Lapras?
>>59573046A life size flareon easily gets a huge cardboard box
>>59547971I wish PMD would have moves with more unique attack ranges like how PMDO does but I get that they want to keep it simple so you're not always jumpscared by a move with a range you couldn't expect (though they allowed Earth Power to be a thing so maybe they don't actually think about balancing in that way.)
>>59547634Weird idea for a story where a trainer and their Pokémon are transported to the PMD world, but the trainer is turned into a Pokémon.
>>59573314Both PMD and Clover Guild stories (regardless if you were suggesting it as a Clover Story or not) are consitant with the human world being the real world, with no Pokémon.There are exceptions in Clover Guild with characters like Macom, but that's so out there that it can only be interpreted as a creative liverty, as suposed to a mainline Pokémon trainer being transported to PMD, which reads more as a fundamental missunderstanding of PMD. Even if there's potential on the trainer and mon being now able to talk to eachother, i'd dismiss it over that.
>livertyBROWN
>>59573336>missunderstanding of PMDNta but I don't see the misunderstanding at all.
>>59573361Humans don't come from mainline in PMD.
>>59573370They come from some variation or alternate universe of mainline, though. The MC always knows that he's become a pokemon which means he knows what a pokemon even is.
>>59573379Nigga you also know pokemon.
>>59573415We know of pokemon existing as a game franchise. The MCs in the games never refer to it as such.
>>59573336This is explicitly wrong in the case of Clover Guild stories; Mandibuzz was a trainer.
>>59573498An exception.The humans at the guild are ment to be 4chan users, and last I checked, they don't have 4chan in mainline pokemon.
>>59573568>and last I checked, they don't have 4chan in mainline pokemon.Where did you check?
>>59573582The age rating.
>>59573370No, look at Rescue Team. Gengar was a Pokemon Trainer.
>>59574219Gengar was also a human when he met with Ninetales, which must have likely been in the PMD world (unless you want to argue that both Ninetales and Gardevoir's lingering spirit both moved to PMD, which is fucking retarded).Rescue Team's treatment of humans, and how there may be/ have been humans out there is dumb, hardly explained and not consistant with future games, so pretty much redconed.Also why tf did you spoiler Gengar's name in the pmd general?
Sharing my thoughts on some recent stories. First, the Jolteon intro from last thread:>>59533443>https://rentry.co/hmz69r8w>https://rentry.co/nn3na7t3The writing feels somewhat bland at times, like it lacks description and is paced too quickly. There are also a lot of typos. You should always start a new paragraph when a new character speaks, and sometimes, it can be a good idea to start new paragraphs even if there's only 1 character talking (particularly if enough narration happens between quotes). Many paragraphs involving quotes currently feel like walls of text.On the bright side, I like how you give Maze a unique backstory and incorporate his traumatic experiences into his character. Although he feels a bit too strong and skilled with his new body/abilities so soon after becoming a Pokemon, I like the scene where his trauma empowers him and he has to be stopped before he goes too far. Despite using some run-on sentences in that scene, you make it feel intense and include some nice descriptions in there. I think it's a good setup for his character arc and future stories.Next, some Vaporeanon stories:>Mulch (https://rentry.org/CG-MULCH)Doesn't surprise me that Pirth would devour mulch of all things. Not too much to say about this story, but it was silly and relatively enjoyable to read, and I like the visual you created. Plenty of people have had to deal with a troublesome deer eating their garden, but it's a funny twist when the deer can talk and is also your coworker.>Rivals (https://rentry.org/CG-Rivals)Pretty good combat and descriptions, with some creative portrayals of moves and some fun back-and-forth. I was generally able to envision the fight in my mind. The ending conversation seems a bit messy, though, like it has leftover parts from a previous draft.
>>59574334>A Face to Face (https://rentry.co/CG-F2F)Adorable art by Petal, as always. It feels like we're missing a story or two depicting how Shelby and Pirth became so close to each other, making this feel like a payoff to something that was never built up before. Even so, their bond was very cute and depicted well. Nice portrayals of their actions and emotions. The way that he can hear her smile just by listening to her voice is a cute detail, and going to an echo spot was a smart idea for a fun trip for him. It's interesting to hear what he thinks about his own voice, and to get some more background on him and his sister. Also, the discussion of color at the end was nice. Overall, it's an enjoyable, comfy read. And now for 2 chapters from the guild's other fish:>https://rentry.org/riftwarrior/>https://rentry.org/shadowcolossusThere are various typos scattered around that make it hard to understand some sentences. And you should start using the correct format for dialogue instead of typing a colon and then starting a new line. I appreciate the shift from Shirley's typical voice to a somewhat more formal style of writing. Not a complete shift, but it's certainly an improvement over his normal voice, which can be grating. Ruby also feels a lot different compared to her original portrayal, but it makes sense for her to get serious now. I'm still curious about all the mysteries around her. The depiction of the dungeon was quite cool. Didn't expect things to veer into straight-up horror, but it was effective. Nice creative ideas for the scenery and the boss battle. The fight felt pretty intense and stressful, and it was cool to see everyone working together to battle it. I wish the artifact was something different, though, since it kinda kills the vibe. Still, I think this story is definitely getting better since the first two entries.
Exhibitionist game
>>59574362Lastly, the latest Toge story:>https://rentry.org/krmuhvvkThe opening line catches the audience's attention and gets them invested, though I wish we had more description of the problem to show how dire the stakes are. The way Toge encounters Delphox is a bit too contrived, but she's a cool character overall, and her use of magic and fire feels unique. And the twist involving her was a neat surprise, although certainly less impactful than a certain other story where a similar twist was used. It's interesting to see Dewott acting deferential to another character for a change. Their interactions were amusing. I wish we saw more of Dewott's inner conflict before he decides to embark, though.In the Toge branch, the way Macom conveniently has a detailed map is another thing that feels contrived, and I wish we had more explanation of how Toge recognizes Luka as a fellow outlaw. The recruitment scenes feel lopsided and make the pacing weird: the first is good (and I particularly liked Gill's portrayal), but the second is too short and the third is too long. That said, the plan is solid and creative, and I really like how you incorporate all the characters' unique abilities. The usage of the berries is particularly clever. The heist was fun to read, and the ending was quite cozy.In the Dewott branch, I like the design of the forest and the dark tone you created. I didn't expect you to go that far, honestly... The reveal was not a surprising twist, but I guess it's good dramatic irony since Dewott knows less about the subject than the audience. I liked how Dewott and Lunette hit it off so well. That was nice and cute. The villain was kinda flat, but the fight scene had an interesting gimmick and a good conclusion. And I liked the scene where Dewott sorta hallucinates that Lunette is Toge.I'm always interested in seeing more of the Dewott/Toge dynamic, and now I'm also curious about what you'll do with this Delphox, so good luck with your future writing.
>>59573370Humans do come into the Pokémon world from other worlds, literally all the protagonists are like this except the Explorers protag who is from the future, and unless I'm misremembering, the Super protag is the reincarnation of a human from the past. The others are explicitly from other worlds. Literally a part of Gates to Infinity's post game is allowing the player character to come between the two worlds. It's never stated what type of world the player came from, so you can easily fill in some blanks.
>>59573379You could argue they're from a world where Pokémon is a popular franchise, like a version of our world.
>>59574244>Ninetales and Gardevoir's lingering spirit both moved to PMD, which is fucking retardedHow so? Because you don't like it?
I had an old fan made exploration team a few years ago. Clover the Sprigatito, Charm the shiny Ralts and a Dreepy I never came up with a name for.
>>59574711>Be ninetales>Curse a man to reincarnate into a pokemon after comiting an incredibly selfish act.>In reincarnating, he'll move to another world>Move to that very same word he's going?>The residents of that world somehow learn what happened and it becomes a folk story?
>>59574732Yeah I see no problem
I still prefer RT’s implication that the world is a post apocalyptic mainline world.
I might just pay someone to do the changes I want to see in a Sky patch. Anybody knows any great mod maker?Sometimes I get an itch of "rebalancing" the entire game.
>>59575015Couple of the anons here make pretty good mods.Since you're interested in balance chances, check out Project Orion and its creator.
>>59575210Needs to be updated for Pokopia, the trve prequel to pmd
>>59575000>>59575210>>59575217Legends: Arceus -> Platinum -> Cyrus Wins -> Extinction of Humanity -> Pokopia -> Rescue Team -> Explorers -> Player fails -> Dark Matter, Bittercold, Voidlands, Void Shadows Spawn -> Gates -> Super
>>59575576Precious creature, I'm working on a character of them currently!The flower is adorable and reminds me a lot of the one used by phoebe in RSE.
>>59575924based shuppet appreciator
>>59575924Wish you luck!
>>59574493I always appreciate your feedback, thank you! I definitely could've fleshed some scenes out a bit more, my fear of making the story go on too long probably just ended up hurting it. But I'm glad you enjoyed it, I'll try to get a new story out this or next month. Funny how multiple recent stories included unrelated Phantumps, guess it's just a popular mon.
Is this DX?
>>59577199Yeah, they added the latter gen evos to the ones in gen 3 and bellow.
Mystery Dungeon is connected to the mainline through the existence of the Coronet Rock evolution item
What are some RARE game Pairs that you never see?>Combo Must be available as a choice in one of the games, OBVIOUSLY you've never seen a Goldeen and Horsea pair
>>59577784Hero Eevee Partner Riolu. It's always the other way around.
>>59577784Chespin/Cyndaquil AKA what I had in Super.
>>59577821I don't think I've seen the other way around before.
>>59577784Any pair with Machop, which is not surprising.
>>59577784Probably something with Turtwig. Grass is the least popular pick of the three main starter lines, and Turtwig is the one I don't think I've ever really seen much PMD art of.
hi pumdig, as I turn another year older and get more wrinkles and liver spots and dusty old bones full of green dust I get less energy to work on things so im gonna be fully releasing the beast story i was working on as it is officially because I don't think making it into a comic is super feasible for me. chapter 2 was lightly rewritten because I thought the flow was off and there's some other old stuff that I haven't made public till now on my rentry. enjoy beast in his goofy vacation egg adventure
>>59577838Anything with Chespin in Super cannot be that rare
HOLY SHIT NEW MYSTERY DUNGEON
>>59580213HD 2D at that.
>>59580223>>59580213Is this how you cunts cope?
>>59580223i hadnt even considered pmd could've been massacred with hd2d shit. frankly that might be even fucking worse visually than the shitty 3d models that started in gates. fuck man, what i wouldnt give for another game with the same visual style of eos.
>>59580964It can't be, alphies despise 2d games.
>>59580976What's an alphie?
>>59581080https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Alpha
>>59579851Always nice to see more beastkino
>>59581093Oh. They don't matter. Pokémon is mostly zoomers anyway
>>59582389Idk how practical a mini barrel like that would be.Would it be for storing drinks?
>>59582397Typically strong drinks, but it also works for small berries or anything similar that you don't want squished.
I've been reading through stories recently and wanted to say thank you duskull. Your stories pulled me into the setting and gave an excellent overview of the daily guild life. It was fun and exciting to read how you grew and learned!
>>59582395You are delulu if you seriously believe no kid is buying pokemon games in 2026, manchild.
>>59580223>>59580964If you're talking about the new Torneko MD 1 "remaster", it's not done by Chunsoft, so you don't have to worry about Chunsoft doing something like that for PMD.(It's also a shit remaster, don't buy it, it runs worse than the original SNES game with way more delay between actions. Don't fall for the "support it to get a new PMD" meme, if you really want to do that just get Shiren 6 instead.)
>>59583713But emulation and translation patches are literaly Satan. I simply don't have any other way of playing Torneko MD on english other than with this goy slop.
>>59583722You joke but unfortunately the translation patches for Torneko 1 are all kinda bad and buggy. Still a far better option than the remaster.
>>59582951T-Thanks
>>59580213
We need to get off of magma. It sucks so bad. Is there any other drawboard website?
>>59586445there are firefox and chromium browser extensions that make magma not suck so hard, at the very least it blocks the anti-adblock and banner ads
>>59586445Theoretically yes, but they have problems as well. Might still be worth it.
>>59586032I'm always kinda surprised PMD never really references the other MD games, the most it did is with some items and the vacuum cut and wide slash moves, and the shopkeepers being stupidly strong (though I think that's stolen from a roguelike that predates MD1). EOMD referenced Shiren by having one of the classes be Wanderer, wonder if Chunsoft tried to sneak in some Shiren references before and Gamefreak/TPC said no.
I've taken a cursory glance at two that people recommend. Flockmod and Drawpile. I haven't tested these myself and don't know how they'll hold up with ten or so people hanging out in the chat and drawing.https://drawpile.net/Open source software. Has a web client and a desktop client which would be nice. Very different interface from Magma. A bunch of different tools and apparently you can do animation, though I have not tested this myself. Drawboards can be downloaded as a few different image formats and .psd files. Has a text chat and allows anonymous users to connect. Also profile pictures.https://flockmod.com/Literally all of the above from Drawpile, but I don't believe there are any profile pictures. Much more familiar layout for people migrating from Magma. Also a gallery feature where you can click on someone's profile (if they have one) and look at some of their other drawings. Very cozy, very casual, like it a lot. Flockmod does require the desktop app for pen pressure, and I don't see a linux version available so that might be a barrier for some people. I know there's a couple anons running it in this thread.Neither of them have ads. Both of them let you host from their websites. There are also permissions managers for both programs, so it should be possible to restrict random people from joining, taking layers and fucking up the board (Though I have not been able to test it myself. Please do not just take my word for it). I think one small issue for FlockMod might be that room names are public. Passwords can be put on them to prevent random people from joining I guess. I really think either of these could work and it would definitely help me regain some interest. The advertisements and poor performance of Magma have made it absolute hell to use lately and we shouldn't have to rely on shoddy extensions from furries who blogpost about their fantasies of becoming home renovators for some reason.
I've always wanted to explore the human side of PMD. Specifically human ruins. I know there was a friend zone that was a factory or something.
>>59587337Flockmod does have pen pressure support in browser. I hopped in a public board myself in the browser and it worked fine. I couldn't figure out what the hotkey for the undo button was, though. I'll try drawpile tomorrow and see how it is.
What do you guys think of Pokémon wearing clothes?Like not just bandanas and badges, nut like full blown suits and shit
>>59587481The only pass I could give if it was a cloak or some kind of winterwear for going to a very cold area. Wearing pants and ties is retarded.
>>59587481I prefer they don't, beyond the bandanas and scarfs and badges and such.Primarily I like the naked look, for normal and less normal reasons. But it's also hard for me to believe a vulpix is going to be buttoning up and down that suit every time he's got to pee, and taking it on and off in general would be a real pain.For bipeds or psychics though i can suspend my disbelief a lot better. But again, I really doubt they would like to wear clothes over their fur unless it's really, really cold wherever it is.
>>59587481It's been done tastefully before. I like the aesthetic if it's done well.Lorewise, personally, it comes down to logistics. Like, how is a pokemon taking these clothes on and off? In Unite, it's holographic so whatever, but PMD is using real fabric and I don't see a quadrupleb wearing something like this practically unless someone else dressed them up.
I think simple clothing, like boots and cloaks in cold conditions work. Small accessories too.
>>59587506anything a quadruped could easily put on and off by themselves and/or serves a purpose can be very reasonable. boots seem pretty cute and good for this. >small accessories tooi imagine fashion would be best expressed in simple things like necklaces or bracelets rather than whole suits or dresses, i'm sure there's no shortage of shiny stones around
>>59587481Depends on the execution, but most of the time adding anything more than accessories and functional gear like cloaks to a design makes it start to look bad to me.
>Retards jerking off cloaksCloaks are retarded, remember what Edna from incredibles said.
>>59587602That's capes.
>>59587481I don't mind if it's done tastefully, it can set civilized pokemon apart from ferals, but there's a fine line that shouldn't be crossed.Full suits don't fit the setting, but any utility clothing, bags, boots for rough climbing, harnesses for quadrupeds, etc can make sense.
>>59587606Am I being baityed? or are you retarded and haven't read the merriam definition? I am too lazy to post a screenshot, but if you aren't baiting, you are so retarded.
>>59587580What in the Fire Emblem is this?
>>59588031Dang, it never occurred to me that the cubone line would use their bone as the lightning rod. I'm stupid.
>>59588031>everyone and their mother has Totodile wearing the scarf the PROPER way> Chunsoft or whoever the fuck continues to model him wearing the fugly bowtie Its infuriating
>>59587602Remember what cartoon character said. Disregard all historical precedent of people wearing cloaks because they were cheap and easy to make, and kept people dry and warm
>>59588970Edna's point was that wearing capes when doing superhero work is dangerous because it can get caught on stuff. Same is true for cloaks. People would take off their cloaks before fighting. But they're useful outside of combat.
>>59589029Taking off a cloak before fighting is the obvious choice from an aesthetic point of view, as well.
>>59589037Only if there's enough wind that it flutters off you dramatically, otherwise it's cooler to keep wearing it.
>>59589029Yeah, that's why people don't wear cloaks when they fight. They're designed to be removed quickly for a reason, retard.
Yeah, the Torneko remake isn't good. What a waste of 30 bucks.But on the brightside, the new DQM is looking quite promising.
>>59589115And Mystery Dungeon will forever remain unloved by normies.
>>59589115Hopefully they'll make a patch to fix the terrible lag in textboxes.Shit like this is why I never play games on release.
>>59589269Textbox lag causes issues even in Sky, which is what wastes your time from weather damage and having Acute Sniffer on at all. But Torneko's textbox lag is legendarily awful, wtf were they thinking?
What are all the issues with the Torneko remake? I haven't played it yet.
>>59590022See >>59583713This is with the player mashing the confirm button and not being able to do anything until the textbox is done.
>>59587127>wonder if Chunsoft tried to sneak in some Shiren references before and Gamefreak/TPC said no.iirc there were a couple other shiren moves/TMs in PMD1 that went unused, so you might be right about that
Finally got around to playing the 3ds entries after God knows how long. Really liked many of the ideas both games tried to incorporate, especially GtI with the entire Paradise facilities, move levels, Companion Mode and some other small things like party exp. The cast was better than what Rescue Team and Explorers had. But they really went out of their way to make the game feel like a grindy slog because of the 1 mission at a time. The small roster (didn't even have all gen 5 mons) and postgame are baffling too. This one is more in need of a remake than EoS, honestly, but from this alone it might be my second favorite not counting the DX remake.Super was weird. I liked the looplet and Connection Orb mechanics, but the first 6 or so hours of the game were painful. Both in terms of narrative and gameplay wise (had to rely on items quite a bit). After that entire school part, it's pretty decent, but I wasn't feeling this one as much as the others because it doesn't give you as much free time as the other PMD to do other missions outside of the story. And the way the Connection Orb works does make the game finite. Still decent, but definitely my least favourite.
>>59590776Is it time for another Super bashing session?
>>59591213Yes, I really want to know which dumbass wrote the school section for Super because it would’ve been so easy to just do an exploration academy or something focused like that. If you’re going to focus on a school segment, pull a Rangers: Shadow of Almia, not whatever the fuck they did.Super felt like one of those 2010 fanfic.net stories from start to end. It’s in dire need of a rewrite for tolerability.
I could never stick to super long enough to get past the pre-school section.
>>59588564How hard is it to edit Super's models to fix this?
ENHANCE
>>59591896>Charizard figure looks like a top down view of the 2d pmd spriteswe're so fucking back
>>59587473I spent way longer working in drawpile today. I didn't get to use the chat features because there aren't many public drawboards for it, but the tools are pretty cool. A lot of different brushes and for some reason, this is the first one I found that has a quick select tool.I'd like to see some other people check these out to give their opinions, but I lean towards drawpile right now. Might find issues or features I didn't.
>>59590776Using items isn't inherently bad, but Super's method of doing it strongholds the player into having to do it as the only viable option.>enemies have bloated HP/attacking stats meaning all encounters result in a net loss for the player at best, or one-shot deaths at worst>despite explaining you can regular attack to get enemies to engage you in the tutorial, the game lies and enemies will refuse to approach altogether if they have any form of range, giving standard high PP attacks very little room to actually be worth using.>game "incentivizes" items by making them broken, stackable solutions to the above problems, like 40 line-range Petrify/Petrify-and-WarpWhat this results in is a game where the strategy is to simply disengage in all combat because the EXP and potential growths aren't worth the constant resource drain from trying to play the game properly, and to instead use Petrify Wands to oneshot enemies so that they don't oneshot you. There's very little POKEMON involved in the POKEMON Mystery Dungeon game.Also would make the argument that the post-school narrative is far shittier than what's in the school.>establish a cast of characters for half the game>throw it all away for SWIRLIX ATE THE FOOD PLEASE LAUGHLiterally the only character who had a pulse and wasn't a glorified plot device or filler was Archen. There's nobody to give a shit about, and combined with the constant attempts at rehashing Explorers and Gates' plot beats but failing at what made any of those good, and you have a schizophrenic fanfic.>>59591213It's always time to shit on Super.
>>59591896Guys, it's real this time.I know it. I feel it in my bones.
>>59592872>SWIRLIX ATE THE FOOD PLEASE LAUGHLooks like someone can't appreciate basic comedic relief!
>>59587481If you can't even wear a baller-ass coat as a Pokemon is it really worth becoming one?
>>59593094PSMD remake with dessigns by Tetsuya Nomura!!!(Pretty cool art.)
>>59593094I dunno, not having to wear pants ever again sounds like a good tradeoff.
>>59591896I've noticed a lot of japs on twitter pointing out all of the PMD art in that video, and a bunch also asking for a new PMD because of the Torneko remaster. It is interesting how of all of the major Pokemon spinoffs, the only two (at least I could notice myself) that are referenced in that video are Mystery Dungeon and Pokopia. No Pokken and no Conquest, which are the only other major Pokemon crossovers I can think of. I wonder if TPC has to get permission from Chunsoft whenever they use materials from PMD, or if they have some deal where they're allowed to use whatever they want in whatever promotional material.
>>59591896>>59592874>>59593390We're never ever getting a new game, if we did it would be mobileslop like TCG Pocket or Champions. NOTHING EVER FUCKING HAPPENS!
>>59592976I know, right? I mean... he ate all the food. And then later, he did it again. What isn't there to laugh at? It's hilarious.
Someone uploaded a full MIDI rip of Sky's music:https://musical-artifacts.com/artifacts/9619
>>59593888Neat. Now only if it was easier to import midis into Sky itself so hacks wouldn't have to use streamed music so often.
>>59595957owned
Anon, do you think I’m irritating, too?
>>59596757No, that's not true, I'm just as much to blame for what happened to Goomy...
>>59595957This made me think, which legendaries are the best in PMD ranked by their unique moves?
>>59596757PMD needs to bring back partner bullying.Always found it weird Explorers only had like one time you could bully the partner like Rescue Team, when it'd honestly be even more fitting there to bully him since the explorers partner is a coward.
>>59599247If picked that option, you're just mean.
>>59599302>YOU’RE MEANExplorers and Super Partner deserve to be bullied.RT and Gates really don’t, which is why you don’t have mean options in Gates, and the RT “bullying” is more or less just trolling and joking around, making for a far better dynamic for the RT duo than any other duo.
>>59599302confirmed to never had any friends
>>59599247>>59599526I feel like people always exaggerate how much you can bully the RT partner. The only examples I can remember are not playing along when they pretend to have a stomachache and tricking them into believing they have to go into outer space.
>>59599247>Female only player>Blue textbox boarderREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
>>59599636Erm, ackshually, in Explorers of Time and Darkness, but not Sky, none of the starter options were gender locked, so male chikorita was possible
>>59599699My bad then, I forgot.A worthy trade off for us to be blessed by Riolu, and Shinx, and Vulpix, and Eevee (returning from RT)
Still seething to this day from eevee being gender locked in Explorers
I enjoyed playing as a female vulpix with my female eevee partner
I... enjoyed playing as a male Riolu with my male Shinx partner.
>>59599565>not playing along when they pretend to have a stomachacheIt's kinda funny that you can be justified in that one. If you're playing as Cubone you have Lightning Rod so you would have no reason to fear Zapdos's electric attacks.
Shinx/pix is the most kino of explorer teams. Diggers can go straight to hell.
>>59599864>>59599839No. No, no, no! You're supposed to play the game with the characters I LIKED! Not the ones you liked. You played the game wrong and I demand that you apologize now.
playing red for the first time. what's the recommended level for rayquazza?
>>59600128You shouldn't need to grind for it unless you got a really shitty team. Even if that's the case, items can carry you.
>>59600128What is your team.
>>59600134Protag phanpy, partner eevee
>>59599805Isn't that just in one menu screen? I don't recall anyone in the game referring to you as a female if you played an Eevee, so it's easy to just think of Eevee as a guy if you want to.
>>59600134protag machamp partner totidile. i beat groudon pretty easily
>>59600186>Machopdelete the save and redo the personality quiz until you get someone who isn’t machop, then fight rayquaza
>>59600186>machopsomeone got the alien question i see.If you managed the birds fine with that thing, the main concern is the enemies in the dungeon itself. I'm usually at least late 20's by then with a good team.
>>59600186Based MaCHAD playing the game on hard difficulty.
check 'em
>>59600375wow your exactly right the dungeon itself is fucking me up. is absol worth using? >>59601033fuck yea i love machop
BREAKING NEWS!!! MISTAH MERRIKU HATES MYSTERY DUNGEON SERIES BECAUSE OF "HORRENDOUS GAMEPLAY"
>>59601821what a faggot
>>59601821Joe Merrick is posting shitty opinions on Twitter? Next you're gonna say Will Stancil's getting raped again.Super did have shit gameplay though.
>>59601821lmfao
>>59601808One good mon to use is Zigzagoon. Shitty levelup stats, but insanely fast levelups. Due to how RT works, level's influence on damage is enormous, to the point where worse stats and a high level can significantly outdo better stats at a lower level.>>59601821What a faggot. He doesn't like it because it's not the newest mainline game, since that's what brings hits to his website. That's all that his opinions amount to.Also his site's info on pmd sucks.
>>59602004This isn't a monster house. There are no items in the room. How did he even let this happen?
>>59602096My best guess is the pokemon in the monster house picked up the items as they swarmed him.
>>59602096Going off of the way its described, it's definitively a guranteed event, and not a random monster house.
>>59601821>/pmdg/ now gets twitter updatesgrim
>>59547634Tanukis are not rodents
How many fucking Super pairs include Snivy and Fennekin
>>59599864Cute boy duo
update i beat raquazza by teaching my partner totidile ice beam and getting lucking and recruiting two tropius and letting them tank raquazza. is the post game worth playing or should i start sky?
>>59604199tropius GODSas far as post game goes the only part of it that stood out would be the gengar plotline imo
>>59604199Post game is alright. Has some fun moments. Play as much of it as you'd like.
>>59604283>>59604285thanks
>>59604199Ice beam always felt weirdly weak in PMD for me.Also don't evolve, you'll regret it. I had Totodile protag and portrait loss paired with a worse sprite turned me off of evolution forever.
>>59591896Pokemon's official twitter also acknowledged Rescue Team's anniversary. Again.
>>59604984>20 yearsFuckRescue protagonist confirmed as former pokemon trainer
>>59605883how it feels knowing we haven't had a new game in over a decade
>>59605883My Charmander hero getting absolutely demolished in Submerged Ruins in Super:
>>59605883
>>59605883NICE; DELICIOUS GORE
It's not even gore you tards it's him falling
>>59606191Tactically pushing my fire-type partner into water tiles so they can hopefully teleport closer to the stairs!
>>59607144>inb4 they teleport to a monster house and hate you forever
>>59607033How is it not gore if he is dying?
>>59607033He's not falling, he's drowning. It still isn't gore, though
It's only gore if it comes from the goré region of france. otherwise it's just sparkling violence.
>>59607192Selflessly pushing my partner into lava tiles after we walk into a monster house to save them!
>>59609607Me on the left
>>59608243lol
>>59605883This is what fire types see when they take a bath for the first time
>>59609873They see themselves from a 3rd person perspective???
>>59590776I really do hope we get a Gates remake before an explorers remake. Gates could be one of the best PMD games if it just had pretty much everything involving its gameplay fixed, I wonder how badly the game was rushed for so many bad gameplay decisions to get through.
>>59610235i wouldnt be too upset with a gates remake. it would be very difficult for them to make the graphics worse than gates already is, like how they ruined the art style of rescue team in DX, and if they kept most of the ideas it had and just made it more enjoyable to play that would be really nice. from what i've seen they generally did that in DX? but shouting the move names and that sort of thing is really questionable, no way to easily view the turn events is annoying. would also be fun to play gates with a bit more of a selection for yourself and partner than what gates had, though it absolutely started my love for oshawott and snivy
