Fuck these niggas srs
>Centro
>>59553918>Emboar is stuck with fucking MOLD BREAKER >Everyone else gets an original busted abilityCome on man, at least give me Reckless and Mold Breaker, Meganium gets permanent Sunny Day on her damage calcs and move effects
>>59553936Confirmed by Japanese website
>>59553960>Meganium gets permanent Sunny DayAnd even that didn't help it from leaving the shitmon status lol
>>59553978Thats still better than an ability that does nothing unless you're already viableThey at least tried
>>59553918Dies to any special attack or earthquakeMaybe it can work as Calm Mind setup, with rilla incin support?
>>59553918>that abilityso does this mean it has dogshit defense to compensate?
>>59554016It's 70 defense which isn't great but when doubled is broken as shit combined with its already amazing speed and special attack
>>59553918I really feel like there's already an ability called aura break. I stopped playing the games at Sword/Shield, how do people keep up with this shit
>>59553960This is just a worse Fur Coat.
>>59554047>huge power but for defensefucked up
>>59554054Yeah, Zygarde’s base ability
>>59554057to be fair there are some special moves that are contact moves as well (just nowhere near as many as physical moves are)
>>59554057Yeah but this time it's given to a non-shitmon making it nuts
>>59554066The only one I can think of is Draining Kiss.
>>59554074I don't really get how Petal Dance and Grass Knot make contact
>>59553962https://news.pokemon-home.com/ja/page/816.htmlThis says literally nothing about any of their abilities.
>>59553960What's so bad about Mold Breaker?
it will get less than 1% usage, enjoy another flozard meta
>>59553918Bruh there’s only 3 Z Megas why they promoting it like it’s a big thing ? Lol
The real question is, how many relevant physical moves don't make contact?>Earthquake>Rock Slide>Stone EdgeThere's more, but that's all I got.
>>59554047>>59554060>huge power but for Defense>... against attacks not named EarthquakeSasuga lucario-kun
>Stomping Tantrum makes contact because... it does okay
>>59554213That might be it unless you’re willing to count Bulldoze
>>59553960>Emboar is stuck with fucking MOLD BREAKERLook on the bright side. At least its not levitate
>>59554071Mold breaker is the type of ability that’s only good on a Pokémon that already has good stats, (Technically that’s most abilities but there’s a clear range on how much an ability can carry a pokemon). And megaboar’s stats are basially a worse assault vest. Also emboar’s coverage is good enough that almost anything with an ability that blocks resist fire moves can be hit with a fighting move of one of its wide coverage potions. Most of the time, Reckless emboar does more damage. It’s not a godawful or even bad ability since there some situation where mold breaker can help, but it’s not worth using a mega stone. It’s obvious Game Freak Wanted Meganiuk to be the shill starter of the ZA trio, ans the ZA trio in turn only exists to be fodder for people waiting for the KALOS starters, like now the Kalos starters were only fodder to made the KANTOOOOOO starters look better. Though At least it’s not a toilet weaker than its own baby,
>Imagine Breaker
>>59554305that's gholdengo
>>59553918I wonder if Lucario's Aura ability will be reversed by Zygarde's Aura Break
>>59554305yeah he's gonna be hanging out with my vikavolt
>>59553960Funnily enough, M-Emboar ignores Lucario's new ability completely
>>59553978It's only a forced shitmon in the marketing (derogatory) meta (also derogatory) that only exists to shill Charizard (and again, derogatory).
Ismt this kind of a mediocre ability for Lucario? I mean, won't the regular mega still do more damage? I'm not sure why you'd ever use Z Lucario.
>>59554117Petal dance the pokemon surrounds itself in flowers and and slams into the enemy.Grass knot it physically grabs the enemy with vines and trips them.
>>59553960Ironically Mold Breaker actually beats this new ability because it'd ignore it
>>59553918>"competitive" pokemon
>>59554564It's just a marketing farce at this point.
>>59554166all three have 151 speed
>>59554166The letter Z looks like a 2 so this GameFreak’s way of making sequels to Megas.Which makes sense my why they gave it to Garchomp and Absol, and should have given more to Pokemon with shitty original megas, but of course they also need to give one to Lucario and make it super special snowflake with a unique ability that gives it essentially 160 Def in most cases.
What about my wife, Magearna ? I don't give a shit about the furry.
>>59553918>One of the most broken abilities in the game>Same name as the most pointless shit ability everKekaroooo
>>59554299Levitate on a fire tyoe would've been good though
>>59554781Might never be added because mythical.
>>59553918But the old Aura Break in Japanese is also called Aura Break.
>>59554631>>59554564you sound so lame kek
>>59554781your wife sucks.
>>59553918This is a completely busted ability even in a vacuum that could turn a shitmon into a legit physical wall and they give it to a min maxed fast sweeperThe only non contact priority move is VACUUM WAVE which is ass and Lucario Z resists anyway since it’s psychic type nowSo what, just have something with over 151 base speed?
>>59554816Plot twist: Zygarde also gets the new Aura Break.
>>59554812>Compag thinks we give a shit about competitive pokémonNone care compfaggot.
>>59554877Isn’t champions primarily for competitive Pokémon? What else would you be asking M-Magearna for?
>>59553918This ability isn't that good, it doesn't improve it's matchup into most good mons or those it struggled with before apart from maybe Corviknight and Sneasler it's defensive stats are so low that i doubt it'll allow it to get extra boosts in singles and it struggle alot into chomp/zard in doubles. Alolan Persian also has that ability and it doesn't make it good.
>>59554900>fast sweeper that can’t be revenge killed with priority >not good
>>59554825>Lucario Z resists anyway since it’s psychic type nowwhat? Are you on drugs?
>>59554825>Lucario Z resists anyway since it’s psychic type nowAnon...
>>59553918>make a glass cannon>give it fur coat
>>59554912It dies to scarfchomp which is on every other team and regular mega lucario also doesn't die to prio and has better damage output it's speed is abit worse but looking at the things between 112 and 150 speed there isn't much that really seems important to outspeed.
>>59554916>>59554922…did I enter a parallel world? I could swear it was revealed to be fighting/psychic ages ago alongside mega absol z being dark/ghost and mega garchomp z being pure dragon
>poverty fur coat >AG
what does AG tier mean?
because people on /vp/ are saying lucario fur coat is bad, i am inclined to believe it is actually really good and also actually better than absol having sharpness
>>59554923if you give a glass cannon a 1.5 boost to its defense it is no longer a glass cannon
>>59554117................... wring out is special?But wringing means they are literally squeezing and twisting the target? 95% of the Pokemon who learn it have tentacles of some description.
>>59554952>It dies to scarfchomp252 Atk Garchomp Stomping Tantrum vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Fur Coat Lucario-Mega-Z: 86-104 (59.3 - 71.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO252 Atk Garchomp Earthquake (spread damage) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Fur Coat Lucario-Mega-Z: 84-102 (57.9 - 70.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
so its like walking into the battle and getting a free iron defense?
Pretty meh abilities for Chomp and Lucario. Absol with Sharpness and that attack stat is pretty fucking ridiculous for Singles though
>>59554127Its useless for Emboar since none of its viable move options are affected in any meaningful way by defensive abilities.
>>59554809Except on fucking Delphox
>>59555049Ghost/Dark doesn't seem that good offensively.
>>59555075It gets Close Combat and with that it has perfect coverage
>>59555037Eq avoids the ability so still kills but fur coat works on all physical moves so fluffy is a better substitute for calcing. I doubt this mega will be good for doubles so the tantrum calc seems abit pointless to me but lucario also can't ohko back so the matchup will depend on the rest of the board.
>>59555097shame it does or Lopunny would be the perfect counter
>>59555098>Eq avoids the ability so still killsNo it doesn’tEven with no spread damage it doesn’t one shot unless you’re using Adamant nature or Life Orb
>>5955515680% to ohko with a jolly nature, guaranteed with adamantscarf chomp wrecks your fursona, furfaggot
>>59555186lucario z outspeeds scarfchomp
So uh why is base Deoxys still uber again?
>>59555281no he doesn't
>>59554982AG = Anything Goes, the higher tier in the Smogon meta games, even above Ubers. Basically it’s for legendaries considered even too broken for Ubers, including Mega Rayquaza, Zacian (both forms) and Calyrex-Shadow at different points in time. So by calling something “AG Tier” They’re basically saying that the new ability is extremely broken.
>>59555060Mega Delphox has been doing better than most starters this format.
>>59554825>This is a completely busted ability even in a vacuum that could turn a shitmon into a legit physical wallGo tell that to Furfrou.
>>59553918>Earthquake lucario>It's full damagePeople think that ability is broken lol?
>>59555281even base 85 scarfers outspeed z lucario lol>252 Atk Gligar Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lucario-Mega-Z: 306-360 (108.8 - 128.1%) -- guaranteed OHKOoutsped and ohkod by scarf gligargg no re
>>59555846That's not furfrou's problem. It's issue is that even if it is annoying to kill, it can't do anything while it takes up a slot
>>59553978niche ≠ shitmonmega meganium so much as has a genuine use case in competitive now which definitely catapults it far above shitmon statusit's not meta defining or anything but it's pretty damn usable
>>59554213Does anything make good use of Gunk Shot in Champions?
>>59556176not really? as far as i know the only decent pokemon that gets it is sneasler, who is one million times better off with dire claw.
>>59553918>AG tier ability>>59554564>"competitive" pokemon>>59554791>One of the most broken abilities in the game>>59554825>This is a completely busted ability even in a vacuum that could turn a shitmon into a legit physical wallit's just fluffy without the fire weakness on a mon who's already weak to firegod damn you people suck at this game
>>59556095It snarling and cotton guarding, resting and snoring. I’ve tried building it a bunch of different ways, and yeah, it doesn’t work that great. >>59556176Gengar with the lense that boosts accuracy? I think
>>59556204Gunk picks up some one-hits that dire claw doesn't someone used it in play offs but I forget who.
>>59556246yeah i don't get the hype. fluffy didn't make bewear broken despite it having actual bulk.strong super effective hits just dunk it through the ability because taking half damage it's still made of tissue paper and you're not going to be investing in defense on a pokemon like luke Z.>252+ Atk Blaziken Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Fur Coat Lucario-Mega-Z: 270-320 (96 - 113.8%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO>252+ Atk Life Orb Ceruledge Bitter Blade vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Fur Coat Lucario-Mega-Z: 273-322 (97.1 - 114.5%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO>252 Atk Sneasler Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Fur Coat Lucario-Mega-Z: 264-312 (93.9 - 111%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
>>59556273why are you running fur coat calcs if the ability is a rehash of fluffyfur coat implies it'd be better at handling moves like earthquake, which it isn'tz has the same defensive profile as base lucario so any special move or non-contact physical move that can kill lucario kills z just as effectivelyz will be fun to play around with and has a sick looking shiny imo but it's not going to do anything competitively and will be forgotten about a few weeks into the new regulation
>>59555610ah gotcha thanks.
>>59556285because i didn't want the ceruledge calc to be affected by fluffy's fire weakness, autist?
>>59556262Gunk Shot is a physical move
>>59555035They likely made it special because Crush Claw is already a physical Wring Out (though Crush Claw is stuck as Regigigas's signature move for whatever reason)
>>59556380No it isn't. It has higher than you'd expect distribution. It's from gen 3.
>>59556399Oops, got it mixed up with Crush Gripthat's the physical wring out that's regigigas's signature move
>>59556436I only remembered crush claw because zangoose kept using it in mt battle this weekend
>>59553918this is literally just multiscale but worse because it only works on half the pokemon in the game instead of everything. lucario isn't surviving more than 2 hits against literally anything anyway.
>>59553918Isn't it just a physical Icy Scales? And limited to contact moves
>>59556480>>59556630It's literally just Fur Coat with different name.
The anime hinter at it having some kind of defensive ability months ago
>>59556717It's Fluffy without the added Fire weakness
What are Baxcalibur, Golisopod, and Tatsugiri getting? Do we know yet?
>>59555846If you ever do a playthrough of USUM don't come crying back to this thread.
>>59556108>mega meganium so much as has a genuine use case in competitive now which definitely catapults it far above shitmon statusI'd prepare to be dogpiled if I were you.There are people on this board who'd love to see Mega Meganium fail.better than getting cucked during the last battle at Worlds like Fraudizard
>>59556755>not even getting to the race is better than standing on the podiumWhat cope is this
>>59556775>zardtard cope Love to see it
>>59556723That's taken straight from the official website's description, where it's stated that Mega Lucario Z is the defensive form of Mega Lucario, who can create aura shields to block enemy attacks and concentrate its aura into certain body parts to harden them and reduce the damage taken from physical blows
>>59556739Tatsugiri gets Pickup.
>>59556176Sneasler cum shot on bulky floettes and sylveons.
>Lucario can now live Close Combat, Flare Blitz and Headlong Rush Heh. See you on the field, losers.
>>59556893most people dont know pick up works in battle
>>59553918>AG tier abilityIt's basically Fur Coat
>>59557481Fur Coat on a Pokémon will a shillmon movepool and stat spread
>>59556739Baxcalibur will get it's signature ability, for sure. No new ability.Golisopod is a bit more wide open. I could see them go crazy, like Tough Claws or Water Bubble, go conservative like Battle Armour, or go meme (another pivoting ability)Tatsugiri will probably get a new ability. The description talks about it being able to levitate (lol), so that's always an option.
>>59557567>another fucking mega with levitateimagine
>>59557481It's actually Fluffy (which only halves damage of contact moves rather than physical moves in general) but better because it doesn't give your pokemon a weakness to fire
>>59557481And that's an amazing ability
>>59553918Wouldn't Mega Launcher be better?
>>59553918>geodude used magnitude
>>59558155Wonder Guard would be better again
>>59558129Lucario is already weak to Fire dumbass
>>59557567>Tatsugiri will probably get a new ability. The description talks about it being able to levitate (lol), so that's always an option.Megatatsu gets Eelevate
>>59558173But the ability does not provide a fire weakness.
>>59558173Fluffy would make it 4x weak to fire
>>59554781Too OP for champions
>dies to any EQ
>>59558220... Just don't send it against garchomp then?
>>59555156It does. EQ doesnt make contact so Aura Break won't apply>>59558223Garchomp is top 1 in usage rn and also was in MA, using your mega slot for a mon weak to the most common threat of the metagame isnt really worth it
whether Garchomp or not, there is ALWAYS a ground mon with EQ in meta
>>59558223>Garchomp is the only earthquake user
>>59558220>>59558255>It does. EQ doesnt make contact so Aura Break won't applyWouldn't Earthquake kill it anyway regardless whatever ability he could have gotten except Levitate, Filler , Earth Eater or Multiscale ?
>>59558537correct
>>59556723Its funny how nobody give a dam about Mega Lucario Z on anime.
>>59553978
>>59558644>omgon
