Chandeleering Edition>I want to learn the game, where do I begin?Download PTCGL at https://tcg.pokemon.com/en-us/tcglThe game has a quick tutorial and a bunch of decent decks to get you started against other beginners or against the AI. Some of those decks are very close to meta too. You can also go to your local game store and see if people are playing Pokémon.>I know how to play, how do I make my own deck?You have a decent beginner's guide at https://www.justinbasil.com/guideThere's also the old /tcg/ guide at https://imgur.com/a/W4NkOu6After that, look up meta decks and try to reverse engineer them to see how things work.>Where to find meta decks?For big irl events, go to https://limitlesstcg.com/decksFor online events, go to https://play.limitlesstcg.com/decks?game=PTCGFor japanese events, go to https://pokecabook.com/archives/1417Previous thread: >>59543542Old /tcg/ pastebin: https://pastebin.com/Ge95YuMA
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>>59555095They really put much thought on this, did they?>Remember what we did with V->VStar? Let's just do it againGenius. I love reruns.
>Lucario Z can't even OHKO DhelmiseOh my god bro
>>59555481LIST OF POKEMON MEGA LUCARIO Z CAN'T ONESHOT:>Dhelmise>Alakazam>Dusknoir>Team Rocket Honchcrow>Team Rocket Spidops>Paldean Tauros (actually this one oneshots lucario z lmao)>N's Reshiram>N's Zekrom>Metagross>Ethan's Typhlosion>Hariyama>ToxtricityJust off the top of my head.
I think the system decided my opponent was meant to lose this game.
deadass printing supports as stage 1 3-prizers as the flagships of the set and then wondering why every second, third, fourth and fifth deck in worlds is dragapult again
>>59555607Dragapult rotates, so it can't win again. Next year will be zoroark's turn assuming it can hit numbers without munki, pech, mochi.
>>59555688I hope next worlds is more fun
Isn't it kinda funny to think the most powerful pokemon printed during the megaevolution era is a single prizer?
>>59555688>assuming it can hit numbers without munki, pech, mochiNone of the new cards can hit above 240 so zoroark can ohko outrage smack them back kek
>>59555761if alakazam is still popular in the furture, all mega decks would have to keep an eye out for it unless they can completely wall the deck. I cannot think of a deck that uses a mega attacker that doesn't have a horrible wr against zam. that card has completely fucked them but that might have been by design
>>59555095>>59555318I hope its just another mechanic like tera
Rayquaza's probably dead to rotation if anyone was going to say that's a good mega>No tera + area zero>No glass trumpet>No latias>No crispin>No cyranoYou'll be playing it with eels or magmortar then like a crippled version of miraidon. Ironically better off playing zard X for an ohko megaMega's were a failed mechanic, ironically performed worse than the old megas with spirit links did. Hopefully ex star are better
>>59555878They don't tamper with the rulebox name if it's just a tribal tag like tera/fusion-single-rapid strike/ancient-future ect. It will be a gameplay change like vstars were compare to vmax cards. It's probably a once per game/deck gimmick like vstars/acespec/prism were as ace specs all rotate by the time those will come out.
>>59555888Nah, hopefully exstars are worse. We need to depowercreep the game.
>>59555888You'd play ray with ethan's ho-oh to get +2 energy per bench space. Assuming mega heatran ends up as metal to prevent oricorio accelerationBut that doesn't solve the need for pivoting to get talonflame ex active or powered up.
>>59555805FUG. Some others still in rotation like Mega Zards, baby Delphox, (meme) Mega Aboma, Mega Sharpedo...
>>59555917>We need to depowercreep the game.And suffer another year like dragapult? Fuck no. I don't care about powercreep enough for them to kill the game every year with the same stale old cards meta as new card are depowercrept too much. They can always do a soft reset like hgss>bw come gen10 if they truly wanted to get rid of powercreep
>>59555940Anon, I and J formats are already depowered. Once H is out its done, we back to lots of 2hkos
>>59555945Garchomp can freely run the format then. Same with zoroark. If not them then even typlosion is better, it can 2hko while being a 1prizer. If you're 2hkoing each other do you want an active 1 prizer or 3 prizer lol. Megas are fucking garbage and not worthy of the 3 prize titlePeople like assuming it's purely dragapult being an anomaly but it's the quality difference in cards, we saw it this worlds where megas performed terribly across the board in favor of and J block. I block is fairly strong even in the current format, they will become the new "dragapult". After the first 2 mega sets of absol/kanga/lucario/lopunny they printed nothing of value. J block is absolutely fucking pointless they de-powercrept it too much while introducing 3 prizers but not giving them the power to warrant being 3 prizers. Most of them wouldn't even see play as 2 prizers, they're THAT bad
>>59555965>in favor of and J block.in favor of H and I block. I typed it too fast
>>59555965Garchomp is a brickfest, there is a reason it is not played at all nowadays. Zoroark loses pecharunt and mochi, how else are you gonna OHKO shit without them? Karateka only gets you to 290.
>>59555978that rotates too, most modifiers on zoroark rotate so it'll be 250 and trying to survive somehow but reshiram will see more play or it could even open the possibility of other n's pokemonsnot to mention most of zoroark is already a brickfest
>>59555965>they will become the new "dragapult".Well at least there willl be more than one dragapult which is a godsend compared to current meta.
>>59555978Chomps still more consistent than whatever the fucks going on with all the new cards, I'll play chomp over brickininja any day. Grimmsnarll then, there's plenty of sleepers that are still far more consistent than J block. >how else are you gonna OHKO shitWhen everything else is 2hko you can ohko with reshiram. Dragapult already struggled vs zoroark for that reason now what about shitty 2hkoers they're expecting us to use>>59555982More options yeah but it's not solving the issue of J and possible K block being unplayable. If they're wanting ex-stars to be de-powercrept even further than J block why the honest to god would they be played? J block is barely played. It's just setting up for another year of dragapult-esque meta where nothing will change the entire year if you ruin K block like that.
>>59555991They will be played once block I leaves. They are playing the long game and know playable cards are not even product sellers anymore.My schizo theory is that they are taking advantage of the current collector/scalper boom to depower the actual games to have enough design space for the next decade after we touch rock bottom powerwise allowing them to repowercreep slowly once again in the future.
>>59556023wouldn't be mad about that theory being true
>>59556023J would be played if K is weaker than J and L is weaker than K. That's the forever issue with trying to scale down powercreep, you can't change the meta for a year because the newer "weaker" cards are not impactful enoughIt's why I mention about a hgss>bw soft reset. They can purge all the old strong cards out together and set a new standard baseline for power level straight away instead of waiting 2 whole years for it to even out.
>playing anything but big basics in a future format where your best search is ultra ball, pokepad, dawn, and brock
>>59555688>Next year will be zoroark's turn*Mega-Lucario's (Fighting, not the bad one) turn
>>59556113Zoroark can still play tomes for mew-ex attacks for a better prize trade against lucario
>loses Dudun, Poffin, Gravity Mountain, and Hero's Cape>Poffin isn't as important without Dudun in the first place, just switch to the Hariyama build>Mountain's only run to be another modifier for Pult OHKOs>Cape (and Ace Specs in general) is a real loss, but no Ace Specs means no Stamp fucking with your huge hands anymore>>59556122No one is playing that fucking Mew, dog. Like you guys need to let this shit go already.
>>59556097I'm sure basic search will be added again, it didn't take long for poffin after VIP pass rotated. will probably be something like "search for 2 basics non-rulebox pokemon that are different to each other" There's really not much support for basic slopdecks once ogrepons rotates. even kanga lacks energy acceleration without crispin
Has a worlds even be won because of mill before?
>>59556452The match was already over by that point, he was just horsing around.
>>59556483Probably considering the 2nd boss was prized. Otherwise they boss the 2 energy drakloak and it's gg. May have had a chance if they ko'd meowth and didn't get red card'd though. You would've lost to red card then lucky helmet or not
why is zoroark so ass now?
>>59555688That new cacturne oko zoroark easily.
>>59556592No arven.
>>59556592IMO, it's an issue of bench space. Like, Zoroark theoretically can beat anything and has the tools to do everything, but never all at once.
>>59556452Dragapult deck was just too OP, good thing it'll be retired by next Worlds and in comes another powercreeped deck
>>59555029You know, I figured M-Exa would have a better showing at Worlds as it's tough to beat with Pult. And I feel the stats bear me out on that. But those same stats show a pretty glaring reason why this deck can't make top cut.....
Slowking proves itself as the most effective pult killer, at least among decks that had a significant showing. However, once again a familiar weakness lurks....
>>59556767What stops excadrill from teching the 1-0-1 counter for Alakazam? Too easy for zam to boss/dusknoir bomb the piplup? Can't find the petrel for rare candy?
And finally Zam. Even or better odds against just about everything.... well except the most played deck in the format lol. And Crustle for some reason.
So you telling Zam was working for pult most of the time? Talk about a plot twist. And he even handed his master the championship without fuzz, even making a fool of himself as a show
>>59556789Forgot pic>>59556787The whole point of M-Exa is to get in under item lock and evolve your whole bench with Genesect. Needing to find a Rare Candy completely wrecks that gameplan.
>>59556798>under item lockI forgot that alazakam is technically another budew deck now.
>>59556796In effect yes. Based on the stats, without Zam in the mix, it would probably be Slowking in the winners box. However, Zam players employed the earth shaking counter known as "playing a Shaymin and having your whole deck be one prizers that can do OHKO M-Kenga". Pretty smart move really.Here's the Pult stats for completeness. Slowking the only notable weakness. Well and Crustle. Only shitters lose to Crustle.... right??
>>59556824grimmsnarl bros...
>>59556767Yeah I think going to worlds it seemed like a fine play because blaziken probably wasn't going to be too popular, but then people started picking up alakazam. Only 4% played excadrill and they probably got eaten up by zam once they were at the top tables
>>59556827>Best winrate agains pult>Nobody brought it overI bet it it would have gone far if if representation was bigger.
>>59556916>>Best winrate agains pultYou are reading the chart wrong. 70% is Pult's winrate against Grimsnarl.
A curious note. The most successful festival lead player cut apples entirely from his list. Thinking about it it makes sense, with gladion and bangle you already reach 340 with seaking while drawing a fuckton of cards and always having a festival lead pokemon available. You also get more room for tech cards like moltres and a playset of mists, not to mention hand sacking cards like ultra and trimmer to secure gladion plays. You also improve your excadrill matchup so it is no longer an autoloss but let go the advantage against zoroark and garchomp which are not that relevant so it is a good tradeoff in my opinion. Truly and interesting list.
>>59556916Grimmsnarl had zero hype, gywnn was a nice addition but it still wasn't enough to convert people>Best winrate agains pultIt looks like it's only good against pultnoir and that build is always a low percentage so I can see why nobody would want to bring it if everyone is on hammer pult
>>59556827playing grimmsnarl isn't worth the jail time
>>59556932Yeah I watched one match with that deck pretty sick list TBdesu. He hit Gladion's basically every turn. Of course if you can't set up double Grookey then everything crumbles.
>>59556798But I thought Alakazam was supposed to beat Dragapult
After playing alakazam with dusknoir I'm not sure why anyone tried playing using toucannon.>>59557010It's always felt slightly favored at best
>>59557010Only if you manage to keep your stadiums in play.
Watching the world's finals match and I have a question. Why are they allowed to have clearly marked cards? So many of them are so curved and bent.
>want to go back to using all of my old trainers and energies>OCDtism won't let me now because the uniformity of all silver borders is too appealing
>>59557358They should only be allowed to play with everything in toploaders.
>>59557358As long as they are all bent in the same way and you can't consistently pick out a specific card it's legal
>>59557360>Like the FA items they've been printing recently>Some items don't have them yet >It looks oddAt least most supporters have a FA so they all match but it sucks when one doesn't and is used like surfer was before it got one
I wish for a new tier 0 deck that only loses to itself and makes people yearn for the days of Dragapult.
>>59558882Which Pokemon would the protagonist be?
>>59558620Slowking fucking sucks. Legit the worst deck I've ever played. I'm like 3-20 playing with it. Fuck that gay deck.
I WANNA PLAY MEGA-RAY ALREADY FUCK
I actually like this world championship, there were some really kino moments.
every FUCKING game, 1 card in hand on their turn 2, "teehee opened lillie's :))))))))))"
>>59559092you're playing dragapult too
>>59558965probably gardevoir
I don't know what to play for baltimore
>>59557358you see, if you are a top player you can do whatever you want, last time we had someone doing the lamest shuffle possible ON STREAM. Nobody cared.You will get a 2 prize penalty if you do it however, not randomized enough you filthy cheater.
fug out
>>59560007guessing alakazam beats fug
>Play vs Zam as Pult>"Heh just like the worlds finals, except *I* have rare candy so this is basically a done deal">Ultra ball away Lana's aid turn 1 because "gotta set up my Dreepys bro">No Crispin turn 2 but rare candy into Pult to KO his Abra in active because sunk cost fallacy (just switched from hammers build to candy build recently)>In general make the shittiest plays possible as he uses energy control+Battlecage strat>Use all 3 Crispins including one to fucking Meowth to get energy back in deck>3-6 prizes but running out of steam, he has 7 cards left in deck>He Eri's away Unfair Stamp AND Special Red which are both in my hand>"W-well as long as he plays a Lucky Helmet just like in the finals I'm good">He doesn't>LoseGuess it's not as easy as the pros make it look huh...
>>59560148that's the only thing i don't like about candy, it can fuck your set up by going too fast
Slowking is such a faggot deck.
>>59560653yeah
