Chandeleering Edition>I want to learn the game, where do I begin?Download PTCGL at https://tcg.pokemon.com/en-us/tcglThe game has a quick tutorial and a bunch of decent decks to get you started against other beginners or against the AI. Some of those decks are very close to meta too. You can also go to your local game store and see if people are playing Pokémon.>I know how to play, how do I make my own deck?You have a decent beginner's guide at https://www.justinbasil.com/guideThere's also the old /tcg/ guide at https://imgur.com/a/W4NkOu6After that, look up meta decks and try to reverse engineer them to see how things work.>Where to find meta decks?For big irl events, go to https://limitlesstcg.com/decksFor online events, go to https://play.limitlesstcg.com/decks?game=PTCGFor japanese events, go to https://pokecabook.com/archives/1417Previous thread: >>59543542Old /tcg/ pastebin: https://pastebin.com/Ge95YuMA
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>>59555095They really put much thought on this, did they?>Remember what we did with V->VStar? Let's just do it againGenius. I love reruns.
>Lucario Z can't even OHKO DhelmiseOh my god bro
>>59555481LIST OF POKEMON MEGA LUCARIO Z CAN'T ONESHOT:>Dhelmise>Alakazam>Dusknoir>Team Rocket Honchcrow>Team Rocket Spidops>Paldean Tauros (actually this one oneshots lucario z lmao)>N's Reshiram>N's Zekrom>Metagross>Ethan's Typhlosion>Hariyama>ToxtricityJust off the top of my head.
I think the system decided my opponent was meant to lose this game.
deadass printing supports as stage 1 3-prizers as the flagships of the set and then wondering why every second, third, fourth and fifth deck in worlds is dragapult again
>>59555607Dragapult rotates, so it can't win again. Next year will be zoroark's turn assuming it can hit numbers without munki, pech, mochi.
>>59555688I hope next worlds is more fun
Isn't it kinda funny to think the most powerful pokemon printed during the megaevolution era is a single prizer?
>>59555688>assuming it can hit numbers without munki, pech, mochiNone of the new cards can hit above 240 so zoroark can ohko outrage smack them back kek
>>59555761if alakazam is still popular in the furture, all mega decks would have to keep an eye out for it unless they can completely wall the deck. I cannot think of a deck that uses a mega attacker that doesn't have a horrible wr against zam. that card has completely fucked them but that might have been by design
>>59555095>>59555318I hope its just another mechanic like tera
Rayquaza's probably dead to rotation if anyone was going to say that's a good mega>No tera + area zero>No glass trumpet>No latias>No crispin>No cyranoYou'll be playing it with eels or magmortar then like a crippled version of miraidon. Ironically better off playing zard X for an ohko megaMega's were a failed mechanic, ironically performed worse than the old megas with spirit links did. Hopefully ex star are better
>>59555878They don't tamper with the rulebox name if it's just a tribal tag like tera/fusion-single-rapid strike/ancient-future ect. It will be a gameplay change like vstars were compare to vmax cards. It's probably a once per game/deck gimmick like vstars/acespec/prism were as ace specs all rotate by the time those will come out.
>>59555888Nah, hopefully exstars are worse. We need to depowercreep the game.
>>59555888You'd play ray with ethan's ho-oh to get +2 energy per bench space. Assuming mega heatran ends up as metal to prevent oricorio accelerationBut that doesn't solve the need for pivoting to get talonflame ex active or powered up.
>>59555805FUG. Some others still in rotation like Mega Zards, baby Delphox, (meme) Mega Aboma, Mega Sharpedo...
>>59555917>We need to depowercreep the game.And suffer another year like dragapult? Fuck no. I don't care about powercreep enough for them to kill the game every year with the same stale old cards meta as new card are depowercrept too much. They can always do a soft reset like hgss>bw come gen10 if they truly wanted to get rid of powercreep
>>59555940Anon, I and J formats are already depowered. Once H is out its done, we back to lots of 2hkos
>>59555945Garchomp can freely run the format then. Same with zoroark. If not them then even typlosion is better, it can 2hko while being a 1prizer. If you're 2hkoing each other do you want an active 1 prizer or 3 prizer lol. Megas are fucking garbage and not worthy of the 3 prize titlePeople like assuming it's purely dragapult being an anomaly but it's the quality difference in cards, we saw it this worlds where megas performed terribly across the board in favor of and J block. I block is fairly strong even in the current format, they will become the new "dragapult". After the first 2 mega sets of absol/kanga/lucario/lopunny they printed nothing of value. J block is absolutely fucking pointless they de-powercrept it too much while introducing 3 prizers but not giving them the power to warrant being 3 prizers. Most of them wouldn't even see play as 2 prizers, they're THAT bad
>>59555965>in favor of and J block.in favor of H and I block. I typed it too fast
>>59555965Garchomp is a brickfest, there is a reason it is not played at all nowadays. Zoroark loses pecharunt and mochi, how else are you gonna OHKO shit without them? Karateka only gets you to 290.
>>59555978that rotates too, most modifiers on zoroark rotate so it'll be 250 and trying to survive somehow but reshiram will see more play or it could even open the possibility of other n's pokemonsnot to mention most of zoroark is already a brickfest
>>59555965>they will become the new "dragapult".Well at least there willl be more than one dragapult which is a godsend compared to current meta.
>>59555978Chomps still more consistent than whatever the fucks going on with all the new cards, I'll play chomp over brickininja any day. Grimmsnarll then, there's plenty of sleepers that are still far more consistent than J block. >how else are you gonna OHKO shitWhen everything else is 2hko you can ohko with reshiram. Dragapult already struggled vs zoroark for that reason now what about shitty 2hkoers they're expecting us to use>>59555982More options yeah but it's not solving the issue of J and possible K block being unplayable. If they're wanting ex-stars to be de-powercrept even further than J block why the honest to god would they be played? J block is barely played. It's just setting up for another year of dragapult-esque meta where nothing will change the entire year if you ruin K block like that.
>>59555991They will be played once block I leaves. They are playing the long game and know playable cards are not even product sellers anymore.My schizo theory is that they are taking advantage of the current collector/scalper boom to depower the actual games to have enough design space for the next decade after we touch rock bottom powerwise allowing them to repowercreep slowly once again in the future.
>>59556023wouldn't be mad about that theory being true
>>59556023J would be played if K is weaker than J and L is weaker than K. That's the forever issue with trying to scale down powercreep, you can't change the meta for a year because the newer "weaker" cards are not impactful enoughIt's why I mention about a hgss>bw soft reset. They can purge all the old strong cards out together and set a new standard baseline for power level straight away instead of waiting 2 whole years for it to even out.
>playing anything but big basics in a future format where your best search is ultra ball, pokepad, dawn, and brock
>>59555688>Next year will be zoroark's turn*Mega-Lucario's (Fighting, not the bad one) turn
>>59556113Zoroark can still play tomes for mew-ex attacks for a better prize trade against lucario
>loses Dudun, Poffin, Gravity Mountain, and Hero's Cape>Poffin isn't as important without Dudun in the first place, just switch to the Hariyama build>Mountain's only run to be another modifier for Pult OHKOs>Cape (and Ace Specs in general) is a real loss, but no Ace Specs means no Stamp fucking with your huge hands anymore>>59556122No one is playing that fucking Mew, dog. Like you guys need to let this shit go already.
>>59556097I'm sure basic search will be added again, it didn't take long for poffin after VIP pass rotated. will probably be something like "search for 2 basics non-rulebox pokemon that are different to each other" There's really not much support for basic slopdecks once ogrepons rotates. even kanga lacks energy acceleration without crispin
Has a worlds even be won because of mill before?
>>59556452The match was already over by that point, he was just horsing around.
>>59556483Probably considering the 2nd boss was prized. Otherwise they boss the 2 energy drakloak and it's gg. May have had a chance if they ko'd meowth and didn't get red card'd though. You would've lost to red card then lucky helmet or not
why is zoroark so ass now?
>>59555688That new cacturne oko zoroark easily.
>>59556592No arven.
>>59556592IMO, it's an issue of bench space. Like, Zoroark theoretically can beat anything and has the tools to do everything, but never all at once.
>>59556452Dragapult deck was just too OP, good thing it'll be retired by next Worlds and in comes another powercreeped deck
>>59555029You know, I figured M-Exa would have a better showing at Worlds as it's tough to beat with Pult. And I feel the stats bear me out on that. But those same stats show a pretty glaring reason why this deck can't make top cut.....
Slowking proves itself as the most effective pult killer, at least among decks that had a significant showing. However, once again a familiar weakness lurks....
>>59556767What stops excadrill from teching the 1-0-1 counter for Alakazam? Too easy for zam to boss/dusknoir bomb the piplup? Can't find the petrel for rare candy?
And finally Zam. Even or better odds against just about everything.... well except the most played deck in the format lol. And Crustle for some reason.
So you telling Zam was working for pult most of the time? Talk about a plot twist. And he even handed his master the championship without fuzz, even making a fool of himself as a show
>>59556789Forgot pic>>59556787The whole point of M-Exa is to get in under item lock and evolve your whole bench with Genesect. Needing to find a Rare Candy completely wrecks that gameplan.
>>59556798>under item lockI forgot that alazakam is technically another budew deck now.
>>59556796In effect yes. Based on the stats, without Zam in the mix, it would probably be Slowking in the winners box. However, Zam players employed the earth shaking counter known as "playing a Shaymin and having your whole deck be one prizers that can do OHKO M-Kenga". Pretty smart move really.Here's the Pult stats for completeness. Slowking the only notable weakness. Well and Crustle. Only shitters lose to Crustle.... right??
>>59556824grimmsnarl bros...
>>59556767Yeah I think going to worlds it seemed like a fine play because blaziken probably wasn't going to be too popular, but then people started picking up alakazam. Only 4% played excadrill and they probably got eaten up by zam once they were at the top tables
>>59556827>Best winrate agains pult>Nobody brought it overI bet it it would have gone far if if representation was bigger.
>>59556916>>Best winrate agains pultYou are reading the chart wrong. 70% is Pult's winrate against Grimsnarl.
A curious note. The most successful festival lead player cut apples entirely from his list. Thinking about it it makes sense, with gladion and bangle you already reach 340 with seaking while drawing a fuckton of cards and always having a festival lead pokemon available. You also get more room for tech cards like moltres and a playset of mists, not to mention hand sacking cards like ultra and trimmer to secure gladion plays. You also improve your excadrill matchup so it is no longer an autoloss but let go the advantage against zoroark and garchomp which are not that relevant so it is a good tradeoff in my opinion. Truly and interesting list.
>>59556916Grimmsnarl had zero hype, gywnn was a nice addition but it still wasn't enough to convert people>Best winrate agains pultIt looks like it's only good against pultnoir and that build is always a low percentage so I can see why nobody would want to bring it if everyone is on hammer pult
>>59556827playing grimmsnarl isn't worth the jail time
>>59556932Yeah I watched one match with that deck pretty sick list TBdesu. He hit Gladion's basically every turn. Of course if you can't set up double Grookey then everything crumbles.
>>59556798But I thought Alakazam was supposed to beat Dragapult
After playing alakazam with dusknoir I'm not sure why anyone tried playing using toucannon.>>59557010It's always felt slightly favored at best
>>59557010Only if you manage to keep your stadiums in play.
Watching the world's finals match and I have a question. Why are they allowed to have clearly marked cards? So many of them are so curved and bent.
>want to go back to using all of my old trainers and energies>OCDtism won't let me now because the uniformity of all silver borders is too appealing
>>59557358They should only be allowed to play with everything in toploaders.
>>59557358As long as they are all bent in the same way and you can't consistently pick out a specific card it's legal
>>59557360>Like the FA items they've been printing recently>Some items don't have them yet >It looks oddAt least most supporters have a FA so they all match but it sucks when one doesn't and is used like surfer was before it got one
I wish for a new tier 0 deck that only loses to itself and makes people yearn for the days of Dragapult.
>>59558882Which Pokemon would the protagonist be?
>>59558620Slowking fucking sucks. Legit the worst deck I've ever played. I'm like 3-20 playing with it. Fuck that gay deck.
I WANNA PLAY MEGA-RAY ALREADY FUCK
I actually like this world championship, there were some really kino moments.
every FUCKING game, 1 card in hand on their turn 2, "teehee opened lillie's :))))))))))"
>>59559092you're playing dragapult too
>>59558965probably gardevoir
I don't know what to play for baltimore
>>59557358you see, if you are a top player you can do whatever you want, last time we had someone doing the lamest shuffle possible ON STREAM. Nobody cared.You will get a 2 prize penalty if you do it however, not randomized enough you filthy cheater.
fug out
>>59560007guessing alakazam beats fug
>Play vs Zam as Pult>"Heh just like the worlds finals, except *I* have rare candy so this is basically a done deal">Ultra ball away Lana's aid turn 1 because "gotta set up my Dreepys bro">No Crispin turn 2 but rare candy into Pult to KO his Abra in active because sunk cost fallacy (just switched from hammers build to candy build recently)>In general make the shittiest plays possible as he uses energy control+Battlecage strat>Use all 3 Crispins including one to fucking Meowth to get energy back in deck>3-6 prizes but running out of steam, he has 7 cards left in deck>He Eri's away Unfair Stamp AND Special Red which are both in my hand>"W-well as long as he plays a Lucky Helmet just like in the finals I'm good">He doesn't>LoseGuess it's not as easy as the pros make it look huh...
>>59560148that's the only thing i don't like about candy, it can fuck your set up by going too fast
Slowking is such a faggot deck.
>>59560653yeah
>>59560007small sample, lets wait until the weekend is over
>>59560653it's just not good, the very second you get bricked it's already Joever
Been playing the crustle list from worlds. It’s based as hell. Just wish there was a way to accelerate the special energies.
Why won’t he concede lol
Megalucariochads I hope you are living life to its fullest.
>>59561862I'm not because Z sucks and I keep running into this faggot Dhelmise deck
>>59561870Anon, by the end of this month everyone will be running its own dhelmise regardless of the deck. These are the good times
>>59561880Some of you really need to give up on that fucking Mew. Nobody is going to play it.
that copium, lmao
Giganigger retard thread that insisted Mega-Rayquaza would be bad and unviable now insists shitty Mew will be good
>>59561853Probably to troll you for playing such a gay retard faggot deck
>>59561853What's wrong, little bitch? You don't like it when other people waste your time?
>>59561907I still don't get what makes mega fug so good, seems mediocre to me still. Why not just run raging bolt?
>>59561934I assume it's because Bolt discards the energy and Fug doesn't, so you have to keep attaching with the former after every big nuke and the latter doesn't
>raging shit
>>59561897You won't stop me from trying mew+unown slopbox
>>5956193450% chance to attack on turn 1 going 2nd due to bringing its own energy accel
>>59561934Has more sources to attack with instead of just crispin and demands a response or you're getting ko'd again. Bolt you can boss their other one with the energy it's always had that problem It's still just a slopbox though
what does this mean for my future
nothing, rank resets and master is still full of shitty players until like 1800 and then you start to get sentience
>>59562610that's what I figured, was kind of surprised I made it
Meta's been so boring this year I haven't bothered to ladder at all..
I only realized right now that I didn't see a single Iono all worlds because it rotated
>>59562610Yeah I've had harder games when trying to get to arceus compared to trying to get to 1700.
> Pult mirror> I have Rare Candy, he has the default hammers build> Rare Candy + Crispin + Pult in hand but Shaymin start (Poffin in hand)> No turn 2 Pult because Shaymin start> Crispin anyways to setup bench> Get hammer'd> No turn 3 Pult because hammer (Dark to Muki, no energy in hand)> He boss's Fez to stall> Turn 4 Night stretcher energy, Meowth->Petrel->Switch, lets gooo> KO Dreepy for 1 prize> ANOTHER fucking 3 hammers + Unfair Stamp> No more energies, he has Pult now> LoseTHATS it... Rare Candy is unplayable trash and I am putting 4x hammer back in RIGHT this instant
>>59562764If you want to play candy in any non blaziken build then using sparkling crystal is one of the ways you want to build it to make the aggressive t2 phantom dive plays smoother.
Played Alakazam to locals. Hit the only two Dragapult players in the room.
>>59562815Did you win?
>>59562818You already know the answer to that.
Alakazam always wins, baby!
Challenges coming up next week. Is it worth putting time into BlazePult, or just stay on Hammers for the consistency?
>>59562982unless you run area zero secret box 1 pearl stay on hammers
>>59562982if you've been on hammer pult for longer than bring that, but practicing a bit of the blazepult mu might be a good idea
whats the most fun (no pult, please) deck to climb early ranks? Im like around 300 I think, never climbed the ladder cuz I had no time to grind.
>>59563579I've made it to master league over the past week or two playing a store-bought Rocket's Mewtwo EX Battle Deck. Has been a pretty good time overall
>>59563592Ive built this one IRL and only used it once in friendlies because I love my main for locals (zero metashare). I will try that, it looks like a nice one.Ive played against so many decks and watched a ton of livestreams (off time at work) that I can probably play most stuff at average level, just not sure what would work well early ladder.Thanks anon.
>>59563603Of course hombre, I'm just learning myself so very happy to assist.
>>59563617I used to work night shifts in a big city, could play at LGSs often, every couple weeks at worst.Moved in to a small city in a different state, closest LGS is a long drive away. LIVE will be my main playing place for a bit.
>>59563650I'm probably going to do my first locals this weekend, a bit nervous but should be fun.
>>59563847Good luck! Nta but I’m a 28 year old who wants to start attending tournaments. Tell us how it goes
>>59563879I'm 37 but have been informed that it shouldn't be weird lol, will definitely keep you posted
>>59563579Mega lucario with hariyama has really fast games. I climbed up to arceus with it this time. Took a few days. You lose to dhelmise always then slow king and festival lead are really rough but I think all the other matchups are good. Beats pult and excadrill almost every time once you learn the matchups
>>59564027My list, if you want you could run hero’s cape and replace petrel for another Wally to go tank build. That’s really strong too but it feels like a waste vs a lot of things; or put in one rocky fighting energy for zam but it makes the deck way more clunky. Imo no tech cards is the way to go and just accept you’ll lose some.
please share a good zoroark list, i'm tired of losing i think tomes are good but it bricks easily, i like the cifuentes list i like the 4 watchtowers list but i'm not sure if they're any better
>>59563884I used to play mtg at my lgs every weekend when I was a kid and almost everyone was an adult. Most kids just like collecting it seems like.
>>59564108thx anon, that makes sense
>>59562907not so fast my friend
CHAMPBUILD2612000 trainer points. They definitely fucked up it's meant to be trade credits, so claim it early in case they patch it
>>59564242based worked for me, thx anon
got the 12k points, now what? I already have celebrations completed
>>59564392>I already have celebrations completedYou still buy celebrations because now you finished it you get dupes on everything, so it's all converted to trade credits to craft with. That's the entire point of buying celebrations in the first place.It's the best exchange rate for trainer points>trade credits. Unless they add special one time purchase packs to the shop for special occasions I'm waiting to see the upcoming 30th battlepass next week before going on a crafting spree, the yearly special set like this often gives out a bunch of free full arts for cards even outside the set
>>59564048How often do you find yourself preferring Black Belt's 40 damage over Kieran's 30 and Switch mode?
>>59564055HELP I JUST LOSE WITH ZOROARK
>>59563884Im 37 too, and look older, but gave zero fucks and just went straight to play. Ppl really dont care as long as you are chill. Pokemon nerds love to nerd it out.>>59564027Oh I have lucario deck I use a lot for daylies, just dont like Meowth personally.
>>59564055add more cyrano for tatsu or ultra balls if you want more outs to zoroark
fraud of the year 2026
>>59564899the issue is that it's reliant on munkidori in order to do anything but munkidori is so broken that you can just run it in basically any deck where your 3-prizer win condition doesn't need it to even consider basic function
switching to that retarded zamnoir deck and instantly running into matchups that mega lucario would've murdered, switch back and it's dhelmise slop three games straight, you can't even begin to imagine how much I hate this fagshit rigged client
>>59564932I was running a zoroark deck that had 1 mega absol in it and after literally not having it attack for like 20 games I decided pecharunt was much better. honestly I have no fucking idea why this list I had didn't already have pech
>>59564443I already have gold and SIR everything. I guess I'll have to wait and spend the points on the new sets
>Purposely tank ranking on ladder down to rock bottom so I only get paired into homebrew jank piles>It's enjoyable and no Pult in sight
>>59564899right now it's decent in tox box. I think it currently doesn't have enough tools for it to be a deck by itself again like it was pre rotation
>>59564899No reason to run this over literally any other toxbox variant. Even Mega Memerai only takes 1 turn to set up the OHKO.Also they should release a Liko hypnosis art version of Dark Bell, just for fun.
>>59564664based and appreciated
Where do you people live that this actually worked?
>>59564984>I already have gold and SIR everythingSame. I'm mostly using trainer points to buy battlepasses because I'm lazy Still hate the new change of not being able to craft FA/SIR straight away anymore. Waiting 6 months f or that annoys me a lot if you miss a copy from the battlepass you wont have a playset for 6 months.. I only pulled 1 FA energy switch this set but pulled like 5 dark bells on top of the free dark bells
>>59565262They deactivated it to fix it. 12000 was a massive amount of trainer points to hand out
>>59565301To be honest I assumed this was the case. I'm impressed they can make a day 0 fix for a mild amount of trainer points while simultaneously being too incompetent to put expanded or legacy cards in the game despite promising they would for... 4 years now?
We should hear about the "biggest update" in the following days, as it's just over a week away.Maybe it's expanded/legacy. Maybe tournament mode. Who knows
I've been promoting meowth ex against alakazam players when they're on 5 prize cards and they always end up misplaying.
>>59565503And you know they sit there gloating about how dumb you are for doing it and walk right into Red Card immediately after.
What should I know about PTCGL's mobile version? I want to leave Pocket behind (someday). Does it run fine on, uh, "mid-range" devices?
>>59566207Should be fine, you can disable VFX
>>59564459Every time I face excadrill or the mirror. I think there’s a greninja with 340 hp too. It makes those matches so much easier
I modified the crustle worlds list a little bit. I noticed the eri’s were kind of a waste. Probably good in a tournament where people hold items longer but not that good against randoms on live. The 2nd buddy poffin felt like a dead card a lot too. Any other card I should play instead of hammers? Was thinking a community center, another Pokémon center lady, hand trimmer, and an enhanced hammer instead. Am I missing anything?Pokémon: 33 Dwebble DRI 113 Crustle DRI 124 Mega Kangaskhan ex MEG 104Trainer: 201 Xerosic's Machinations SFA 641 Buddy-Buddy Poffin TEF 1441 Handheld Fan TWM 1504 Lillie's Determination MEG 1691 Lumiose City POR 771 Special Red Card CRI 822 Switch MEG 1301 Ultra Ball MEG 1312 Hilda WHT 1711 Hero's Cape TEF 1523 Pokégear 3.0 SVI 1864 Crushing Hammer PBL 1051 Team Rocket's Factory DRI 1734 Team Rocket's Petrel DRI 2264 Jumbo Ice Cream PFL 914 Boss's Orders RCL 1891 Pokémon Center Lady MEG 1231 Festival Grounds TWM 149Energy: 44 Mist Energy TEF 1611 Basic {G} Energy MEE 14 Growing {G} Energy POR 864 Spiky Energy JTG 159Total Cards: 60
>>59561952ZamNoir is so fucking fun wtf
I miss Arven so fucking much
someone save me from this 1800s elo bizarro world
Been playing this memedeck lately and it's actually somewhat playable (at 1400s elo at least lol). It's definitely not favored vs Pult or Zam but it absolutely wrecks M-Exa and anything grass. Even Slopbox is not out of reach because Delphox OHKO's Teal Mask in most situations. What tech should I run? Ethans Ho-oh + Ethan's Adventure for Dragapult (to improve the likelihood of OHKO with Delphox)? Zam is probably a lost cause but maybe 1-0-1 Skeledirge line?>>59567540>Loses to real decks but wins vs meme decksboy have I got the deck for you
Anyone that plays a meta deck is a faggot by default. But meta players in this rotation are turbo faggots. Boring cookie cutter bullshit. Why does anyone find playing meta decks entertaining in the least?
>>59566513I saw a couple lists on ladder running psyduck. with both zam and pult using dusknoir psyduck could be something to think about adding in
I hate Dragapult. It's not enjoyable to play or play against. I've tried to like it since Twilight dropped, but I just don't.
>>59567860i do like it
>>59567842You anti meta faggots who choose to keep whining are the true losers. There's a guy at my league who refuses to play Lillie and guess what? He always bricks. He's so fucking boring to play against because he can never take a prize. It's one thing to play off meta decks but throwing a shitfit over others playing them is just gay. Meta cards are meta for a reason, that's just how the game is. Play to win or lose quietly.
CHAMPBUILD26 is back up, and now it's for trade credits
What's the best deck for an idiot? Which one requires the least amount of thought so that even a stupid moron can do well with it? Asking for a friend.
no rirrie turn 1 going secondi concede
>>59569191Lucario is a straightforward deck that features big damage dealers, on board draw and energy acceleration. It's easy to pick up while also being really strong.
>>59569191Garchomp and Lucario are both extremely linear decks
I have quite literally never had a single good game with this ZamNoir deck. Convinced the pilot cheated. Every single hand is bad.
>>59569315I've played against it 3 times and they've gone double buddy poffin into candy zam candy noir candy noir gg no re each time
>>59569315You are probably just a retard. I won a local tourney with it yesterday.
>>59567842If I play I play to win. It is as simple as that.
>>59567577maybe reduce chicken line to 3-2-1-2 and add a couple more candies and a judge?
>>59569315>Every single hand is bad.sounds like the typical alakazam experience to me.
>>59569147>Can't redeem it since I did beforeTrainer points are worth way more so that's alright
I amend my previous statements on ZamNoir. Granted, I changed the list (-1 Patrat, +1 PokeGear), but it's been playing a lot more smoothly. Might even cut Shaymin too. I don't respect Munki or bench sniping compared to consistency, and actually getting to my Supporters makes the deck play a lot better.
>>59564027>>59569200NTAs but I'm a total newfag on LIVE. Is Lucario's starter deck decent good enough by itself, or better a little tweaking? Actually I like Dark most but going by Mega Darkrai I've seen that maybe I'm not ready.
Thoughts on Lopunny/Dudunsparce? Its matchups seem decent.
lol
shit cardgreat art
>>59570811The more things change the more they stay the same.
>>59571807>>59571828Best general advice I can give is to adopt this list https://limitlesstcg.com/decks/list/28254 and grind out games on PTCGL until you're comfortable with the deck
Phantom Dive should cost 3 energyThere I fixed the game
>>59571835Thanks anon, forgot to remove the golbats on the list I posted so it was over 60. The deck you shared is roughly what I was basing mine on. I do have the 4 lillie's available... but am lacking bug catching set, lucky helmet, prism tower and max belt. Will see if I can get a bit closer to this list with what I have. I didn't really care for the 4 ultra balls, I had swapped to crushing hammers but I'm a noob so maybe bad idea.
>>59571854Ultra Ball gets you to Spidops faster, which is your main way of getting extra energy onto your bench to hit bigger numbers with Mewtwo, and discarding energy (other than TR's) is free. Also helps you get down to a smaller hand size for Arianna's to maximize draws. Hammers, comparatively, don't do as much for the deck
>>59571875Understood, that makes a lot of sense. I'm pretty comfortable with the "stock" deck at this point, might just run that for my initial challenge. I went to the shop today to look for singles I needed but was only able to find a few.
Has anyone here gotten tcg love to work on a steam deck/machine? Getting wires at login. Seems like they broke it at some point and was wondering if anyone actually figured out it.
>>59570811With the new season starting, I wanted to get back into the game, but it feels kind of hopeless. Every tournament in my area always has a Dragapult variant in 1st place There's a false sense of variety because it's just "Dragapult and everything else" and the decks in the everything else category either lose to it or to something else in their company. Rayquaza looked promising at the start as the next best alternative, but if it's just getting lumped with all the others, there's no merit to picking it over anything else.I noticed all the quote replies on Pokeka's post are all Japanese players saying the same things about the meta that all of us are.
>>59570811we need to kill off the weak decks like alakazam and festival lead so the meta improves
>>59572312All of the shitty single-prize decks get in the way of the few decks that are favored into Dragapult. All it takes is an Alakazam or Slowking to ruin an Excadrill's run, or a Festival to take out a Zoroark. Then they just get to lose to Dragapult anyway.
>>59572312Typlosion will just replace themWould you want a 3 prizer who hits 240-280 or a 1 prizer who canNo wonder megas are garbage
>>59572716typhlosion is incredibly slow and jank, to the point where it struggles against bolt. crustle is more likely to replace them
My first run ever. Thwackey&Tatsugiri groups(minus Tatsugiri), not bad. >Reg HOk then, farewell me treasure.
Dragapult kneels to the crab
I need some help budgeting a Psyduck and more stadiums in this list. It's running really nicely against most things except PultNoir, which is rampant in my local leagues.Yea I can take the red card and the 60 HP Dunsparce out, but I feel like there may be something more to ZamMise I'm missing. I've thought about taking the candies out and reducing to a 2-1 Dunsparce line, so I can bump Zam line to 4-4-3 with more strange timepieces like that ZamNoir list from worlds. Feels like that might brick way more often though.
>>59574990Shaymin can be the first cut if there isn't any arboliva or slowking in your area. I doubt the 1 battle cage is going to do anything for you when pult is running 2-3 stadiums so you can cut that. enhanced hammers can be cut if nobody is using mist or rocky energy.
>Biggest update ever planned next week apparently>Patch notes have nothing in yet>https://community.pokemon.com/en-us/discussion/25821/version-1-42-0-patch-notesHmmmm >The few changes there are for expanded interactionsHMMMM
>>59571852It already has spare energy to splash on munkidori. That's not solving shit loolThe meta sucks simply because no new cards are strong enough to compete. Even when gardevoir ruled the meta before we still had new cards and decks showing up like zard and dengo
>>59575767Having the energy in deck doesnt mean they can use it right away. Crispin would not be enough for example, you'd have a turn where they wont attack. And it also gives one more turn where munki is offline because they spent their turn energy preparing their pult.
>>59571852Exactly, when nigt time mine is on and dragapult can't bum the stadium they have a bad time but the deck can easily see 12 cards per turn.
Can’t believe I beat a mega lucario I think dudunsparce ex was prized he kept searching for cards instead of attacking me with land crush. I had boss on the turn he charged up hariyama and eri’d 3/4 ppp’s.
Name a happier pokemon card
>>59577645Look at him go.Is the new sigilyph ex playable? I'd love to play a deck that actually features a mon i like
>>59577645
>>59577840>Is the new sigilyph ex playable?Probably not. Megas look bad even after rotation and why use sigi when you can use crustle and wall ALL ex pokemon, not just megas. Megas can bypass sigi with the new mew copying their attacks too
lost a game to PultNoir because I just didn't Boss up the fucking Clops and KO it, then the nigger topdecked Meowth for Boss
>>59578396Always kill the bombs first, they're the dangerous part of the deck.
I'm working on a Pokemon TCG game with every card up to the XY era rebalanced to match the power level and conventions of that era and I want some opinions from players. How would you feel about the following proposals? Do they sound reasonable? Or crazy?>Proposal 1:Currently, how Weaknesses and Resistances work is that they say something like (Fire)x2, but the x2 can technically be anything. It's a math equation. It could theoretically say (Fire)+20 (and there are some cards that do that in DPP). So I theoretically have to take into account any possible math equation a card could have as their weakness value. Same with resistance.I was thinking of simplifying this so that there is no "x20", cards just show the type icon for the weakness and that's it. (I think Pocket does something similar, although my goal isn't to simplify the game to the extent that Pocket does.) For Resistance, it would just show the Resistance Icon. One icon would be Resistance -20, and two icons would be Resistance -40 (which most -30 cards would be buffed to, which seems fairly reasonable to me since Resistance is rarely relevant in the modern game anyway). The only thing that makes me hesitant about this is that I'm not sure if there might be some edge cases or obscure cards (from XY or prior) that mechanically rely on weakness amounts being different per card, or that might need a resistance to do something besides subtract damage. And it might not play well with some Pokemon Tool effects. So I'm not sure. Any opinions would be helpful.
>>59578744>Proposal 2:For context, changing conventions to match the XY era also entails changing the types of some cards. For example, all Poison Pokemon used to be Grass Type, but in the XY era, they were Psychic types. Many colorless Pokemon became Fairy or Dragon Type. (Yes, Fairy is still in.) All of these are existing XY conventions. But I was thinking of making another change that has no basis in the original game at all, and I was wondering how people would feel about it.I was thinking of changing all Ghost Pokemon into Darkness Types, which would be weak to Darkness, rather than Psychics weak to Darkness. Then all Psychic pokemon, rather than weak to Psychic, would be weak to Darkness. All Poison pokemon would remain Psychic weak to Psychic.This would both add more Dark Types, as there aren't that many compared to other types in the first few generations, and it would also capture their weakness dynamics more accurately, as it doesn't make much sense for psychic types to be weak to psychic most of the time, while ghosts, which are supposed to be weak to their own type, are weak to dark. It would also balance out the fact that a lot of powerful grass types got converted to Psychic, making Psychic, an already powerful type, pretty stacked.But the downside is, as I said, there's zero basis in the official game for it, unlike the other changes. Would love to hear any opinions if possible. Or you can also tell me to fuck off and kill myself if you'd prefer. Thanks.
This is what my day starts as.
>zamyou're in the wrong i'm afraid
>>59579582It's the best solution to the problem when it works which is most of the time.
>>59555564I don't get the philosophy behind this. I guess too many mulligans translates into a poorly optimized deck and you deserve to get punished?
>>59580447Yes, exactly.
>>59580447>4x xerosics>55x energy>1x budewyeah.. haha... I deserve this
>>59580593I too play against the Charizard bots at low Elo.
>>59578744>>59578747This is so insanely autistic good luck. Today’s match was a close one I prized two crustles and my opponent knocked out my super crustle because I wasn’t familiar with that fire Pokémon he’s playing. Had to switch to mega kang mid match with no energies on it. Lisia’s/bossed up the basic fire mon with a 2 retreat cost twice to stall the game. At the end he would have decked himself but I ended up flipping heads and knocking out the fez before the deck put triggered.
>>59580862>This is so insanely autistic good luck.This doesn't really tell me anything but thanks. Nobody said not to do it, so I went ahead with the ghost to dark type change for now. I can always change it back if people complain later I guess, although that will be annoying to do.
>>59578747Poison being darkness makes the most sense, darkness is the "evil" archetype and many decks revolve around sleazy strategies like cheating attacks and inflicting status conditions
>>59581208The rationale isn't really flavor, which could be bent either way. It's weaknesses and resistances matching the existing Pokemon type chart a bit more faithfully.If we went with the modern coloring which places Poison as Dark, you'd have the following:>Poison (D): Weak to Fighting/Ground/Rock(F) (1/3)>Dark (D): Weak to Fighting/Ground/Rock(F) (1/3) or Grass/Bug. (1/2)>Ghost (P): Weak to Dark/Poison(D) (1/2)>Psychic (P): Weak to Psychic/Ghost/Fairy(P) (1/3)>Fighting (F): Weak to Psychic/Ghost/Fairy(P) (2/3).with a 44% accuracy rating if you add it up (42% if Fairy is still its own type).With my setup, you'd have the following:>Poison (P): Weak to Psychic/Poison(P) (1/2)>Dark (D): Weak to Fighting/Ground/Rock(F) (1/3) or Grass/Bug(G) (1/2)>Ghost (D): Weak to Dark/Ghost(D) (2/2)>Psychic (P): Weak to Dark/Ghost(D) (2/2)>Fighting (F): Weak to Psychic/Poison(P) (1/2)with a 62% accuracy rating if you add it up.
>Still no info on what the big update is meant to be>Maint is tomorrow
Does the ladder end when maintenance happens tomorrow or is it resetting with the battlepass in a couple of days?
>>59581778I believe when the date was still there on the ladder tab it said it was going to reset around the same time the battle pass did.
LIVE IS DOWN AAAAAAAAAAAA
People who've played a lot of Zoroark lately, what are your thoughts on it at the moment? There's a big cup next weekend, so I just want more opinions besides my own.
Live looks like dogshit nowExpanded still isn't a thing this is just a twitter image I stole
How exactly do we make this viable in a "memeing at locals" way at the very least? Guessing sinistcha is a must as it resists pult. Terapagos + area zero could prove useful althought you'd have that gusted more often than not. That way you can hit 210 and if you include a bangle you can spare a spot for shaymin or patrat.
>>59583654Use tera pikachu for area zero
>>59583699Wait a moment, you can also include joltik to charge it up.
>>59583701oh shit true
>>59583639>lost zoneI want to go back...
>>59584115Lost city punishing people abusing stretcher was peak.
Y'know, I keep seeing Lucario builds with 4 Hammer, and I don't get it. Like, yeah, you COULD do that, but is it actually better than consistency cards? How often do you need just one more turn of your opponent having to manually attach? You're OHKOing everything with Mega Brave + modifiers.
>>59584414lol I just destroyed a guy playing that with crustle. Dudunsparce ex is not a threat all you need is one spikey and one ice cream. The hariyama build is much harder to beat hariyama + ppp can one shot your super crustle easy.
>Several BW/XY cards have been unbanned from Expanded ahead of their reprints in 30th Celebration!Please, PLEASE GIVE US FULL EXPANDED MODE THIS SEPTEMBER 15TH. I beg thee, PTCGL team.
>Expanded gets ruined within a week by regidrago and lugia spamHaha fun. Now when can we have something useful like tournaments
I just want to use old cards like VS Seeker. Is that so much to ask? Who cares about Regidrago and Lugia decks when opening up the entire expanded pool will give us more creativity and fun.
expanded fags are such fucking retardsyou want to use your EPIC old cards? play the fucking format they were designed to be played in
>Been trying out Alakazam Dusknoir>Completely walled by Mega LucarioHow the fuck do these decks manage to top 8 Worlds?
I just want to play roxiechomp again but half my cards aren't in the game
>>59584981How the fuck are you walled by Mega Lucario? Assuming you don't just KO their Riolus early, they can't Aura Jab for a KO without 2x PPP or 1x PPP + Gravity Mountain, meaning their energy acceleration is tied up, which hampers their ability to rotate through Mega Braves by retreating around. Hand disruption is minimal (1 Card, 1 Stamp, maybe 1 Judge). Assuming average draws, you would have to fail to get KOs with Zam, and then they would have to chain Wally's Compassion on consecutive turns for you to fall behind.
>>59584993Zam Dusknoir does not run hammers. The list was created by a complete schizo never expecting to go against Mist/Rocky Fighting. You have to use 2x Dusknoir 1x Dusklops to knock out a single Mega Lucario.
>>59585001Oh, right, some people actually DO run Rocky. Yeah, you can't win that one. That's just how it goes.
>>59584978>you want to use your EPIC old cards? play the fucking format they were designed to be played inDrooling retard doesn't know those "epic old cards" can't be played in PTCGL AT ALL.
>>59585008I have spent this entire month trying to grasp what the hell actually wins in this format and the reality is that Dragapult wins but only if you out sequence your opponent. The entire game is just so much fucking bullshit at the moment.
>>59584981only 9 people out of nearly 800 played mega lucario at worlds.
Naaah what the FUCK did they do to the boardWhy is it a top down view UI now. All the animations are super rigid tooFuck an expanded update, for the love of god the priority should be to revert this
>>59585926You now also remember how the hand looked like originally
>>59585926>Initial PTCGL client had top down view>People hated it>Rework it and relaunched the client with the slanted view similar to irl viewpoint>Now bring back top down for some reason?
>>59585926This fucking sucks and actually makes me not want to play the game. All anyone has asked for is for them to do the things they promised nearly 5 years ago, not make the game look even shittier
I'm pretty sure they can't work out the holo for expanded cards and that's why they are reworking so much visual stuff. I also think they couldn't figure it out with the slanted view so they reverted to top-down for easier implementation.And since they are improving the graphics and holos along the way, might as well release them as updates
>>59586239They reworked all the holos anyway compare to online. That wouldn't be whyThey're just simply obsessed with UI changes, hence all the backgrounds they keep doing. It's a lazy way for develops to prove they're doing work is just enshitifying the UI every update
I actually prefer the top-down look desu, but I still can't stand the ugly fucking cartoon avatars
>>59587402Angled is SOUL and mimics how it looks irl. Top-down looks like they poorly ported over the mobile interface to PC. Even pokemon pocket is slightly angled
>>59587402I only started playing recently and the avatars are so fucking bad
>>59588525Any good bundles to help you build Basic Box?
>>59588544Isn't Twilight Masquerade the current b&b? that has a lot of what you need probably. Ogerpon, at the very least
>>59588575Build and Battle? Yes I had two runs and won a large loot but pretty much everything is all over the place(kangaskhan, Clefairy, Latias..) not to talk about trainer cards. I will go to check it out again but I believe the only things I gained from this are more Teals and one or two Wellsprings.
>>59588544>>59588623There are no bundles that help you get the cards, use trade credits. Buy celebrations packs to convert trainer points to trade credits. Build & battle can be infinitely farmed for trainer points and trade credits.
>>59588623Also>12$ for a guide on MetafyI know I'm poor but are people for real?
>>59588637Ok thanks I'll look into it
>>59588639If you're not a blithering moron paying any amount for a fucking metafy guide is insanity. If you need to learn a deck in a real environment, you have tons of tournament footage to use at the very least.
>>59588639>12$ for a guide on Metafyyou'd be surprised how many people need their hand held to play a card game, let alone a game for children
im like 37/60 cards so far in my quest to build the most cancerous dreepy deck
Please tell me they're reverting this shitHow does anyone ironically like this? You need glasses to see the cards now
>>59590070It seems like they're determined to do everything besides making PTCGO 2 like people want. Every update is something no one asked for. This client has been a disaster since they started working on it.
Are all Pult players this retarded?
>>59590303yes
>>59590303You're at 2 prizes anyway, not like it matters putting 40 on bolt without ghosts they aren't taking 4 prizes next attack
What is this deck and why do I keep on playing against it?
>>59590401Maybe bots. Not even mega chandelure lists are running that grim
I really don't give a fuck about the visuals changing a tiny bit but why did they pipe in crowd noise
>>59590485Normalfags are going to love it. It's just like Scarlet and Violet bro!! They're cheering for me!
Looking forward to getting the new Ultra Balls and Poke Pads from the 30th set.
>>59591442We have a bulk box at my league that collectors deposit their trainers into so I'm hoping people put their items into it. But they're holo and made by Yuka Morii so...
>>59592595New toy syndrome was true.. Rayquaza sucks..Meta hasn't changed for a whole year... PTCGL absolutely ruined the UI... what else can go wrong
>>59590485>bench munkidori>WOOOOO>attach dark energy>YEAAAAH>adrena brain 30 off dragapult>1 minute of clapping and whistling>>59592595is 10% or more what they consider tier a? mega ray's placing didn't increase that much from last week
>>59592595How does TPCI see this month after month and do nothing about it? 25-30% of the meta by itself, just won Worlds, and nothing that can stand up to it in sight.
>>59592936It takes roughly 3 sets before they can react to the meta. They can't just change the numbers last minute like a digital card game, everything's already been printed, you saw how we got 30th anni leaked months ago. The ghost veil stuff lines up with how dragapult dominated the meta design wise, but that deck did nothing to stop it
>>59593004>print a single prize deck as a Dragapult counterlol>its main attacker doesn't have the anti-Dragapult abilitylmao
>>59592936Do you think sets are finished and sent off to the printer the day before release?
>>59593038Yeah, I think that. I also think Dragapult has only become a good deck in the last two months.
>>59593034dragapult beats 1 prizer decks by taking 2 or more prizes each turn. that's why alakazam plays the battle cages. you don't care about the anchor not having the ability because dragapult can't take two or more prizes with a bench full of ghost veil pokemon.
>>59593034>Can't 2hko if dragapult using munkidori which is normally doesTPCI needs to get off their lazy asses and print good cards already. Even rayquaza is flopping, ex megas are ironically worse than XY megas with the spirit links
>>59593081I think their idea with ghost veil was more spread damage and finish off with spiritomb, rather than ohko. but the format might be too fast for that right now
>>59593084The problem is that the deck has no draw. If you get disrupted early (Judge), you might never find the Sneakmons you need to get into the discard pile. If you get disrupted mid/late (Judge/Stamp/Red Card), however many Dhelmise you have on board have to carry you through probably two turns minimum.
>>59593084>Printed battle cage to counter dragapult>Everyone runs it>Expect spread to take off when it's countered by accident with everyone teching for dragapultZero thought behind their decisions in the past year of releases
The biggest updates in the history of PTCGL is coming in less than 48 hours. I can't fucking wait to see new animations, UI changes, new music, and new cosmetics to show off 30th anniversary. Forget all the functional shit we need like full expanded mode, leaderboards, tournaments, or whatever, THIS is what we really need.
>>59593099All I want for them is to revert the UI. This birds eye view POV is ironically making me sick
I think another problem with the meta is that a lot of the good decks are all over the place. Dragapult and all its variants are pretty much solved within 57 cards. Nothing else can say the same unless it's a super linear package like Lucario, Garchomp, or the Rocket decks. Everything else has 2 or 3 different builds that no one can agree on as the best way to play them, so they're kind of hit or miss while Dragapult just cruises with its most optimal lists. It makes all the other decks feel like piles scrapped together that you hope will function.
>>59593226Dragapult doesn't need 57 though, it's like 50. That's why it can get away with running bullshit like hammers and ghosts and blaziken. Other decks need a separate draw engine, having one built into your attacker saves a considerable amount of space as well as bench slots. Not that a dedicated draw engine is bad, it's fine. It's just because other decks can't compete. Why are you using a 3 prize mega doing the same damage as 2 prizers like dragapult or zoroark. The 3 prize megas they've been printing this past year are just not strong enough to warrant the 3 prizes. A vast majority of them still wouldn't see play at 2 prizes, their attacks/abilities just aren't good enough period.
>>59593264I appreciate them trying to combat powercreep by bringing the general power level down, but choosing the *MEGA* block to do that in is stupid
>>59593326The balance honestly was in a fine state before rotation. So many decks were viable even if some were standouts like dengo and gardy. Even 1 prize decks existed. They kept printing good cards throughout the entire time. It just went to shit after because the new mega block cards tried lowering powercreep so god damn much. Even once dragapult rotates in 6 months the mega block is still so weak compared to zoroark, alakazam, typlosion, grim, rockets, crustle ect. Plus it only takes them screwing up the exstar gimmick to make this year of suffering absolutely pointless, vstar complete btfo vmax when that happened, I'm fully expecting the same thing again. We suffered this entire rotation to lower powercreep only for it to rise again..
Went 1W2L and got 6th of 8 at my first league challenge; was bodied by a kid who is playing regionals, he had lots of good pro tips. Misplayed a lot, but that was expected during the Live to IRL learning process. All in all had fun, got a prize pack and a booster. Played stock TR Mewtwo ex League Battle Deck, planning to practice Honchkrow while I wait for some singles in the mail to upgrade the Mewtwo deck.
>>59593734Went 2-2 drop in a cup yesterday. First loss was due to two failed coin flips. Second loss was a donk from someone who's part of a friend group that goes to worlds. No real reason to think about it. The numbers are just sometimes not in your favor.
>>59593745Oh definitely; I'm not butthurt or anything and was honestly surprised I won a game at all. Game 2 I got paired with another beginner and had great draws. 3rd game I just couldn't draw anything I needed and it was over in a flash.
This one was a doozy boys.
>>59593974what in the fuck am I looking at
>Mega Darkrai so strong that I just beat it with Chandelure and ClefairyI don't follow everything but I have yet to hear of a single win by the guy
>>59594519I still think that WILL be a good card but it might take a year or two for it to be playable. There's a lot of H block cards that got almost no play for the first year or so until other cards came out making them viable.
>>59594541Well I hope so, because I actually like the boss and almost trusted him for a second.
Sometimes I believe they designed Megas not so much to be strong as to make the game faster
>>59594541NTA but I have a big gripe with this idea. I think it's ridiculous to print a card and have it be worthless for over a year and then only find use after most of the actual good stuff rotates out. The alternative could be construed as power creep but I think I would rather have cards be at least playable on release instead of playing with bad cards purely because the ones that were good rotated out. To me, it just feels like you're trying to make do with whatever crap got left in the wreckage and it leaves a poor taste in my mouth. Another problem is that some decks that have the potential to be good after rotation with a bit of help just get left behind in favor of whatever new stuff they're pushing with no considerations to help them. I would be delighted to be able to play Grimmsnarl after rotation for example, but the cards that make it viable are rotating out, and without a way to push your gameplan aggressively every other deck is just going to walk all over it and from what it looks like there's no plans to make another playable spread deck that both feels fun to play against and fair to play against. More than anything, I wish I could play the 2021-2022 format again. The game has felt like its been on a constant downturn since then for me.
>>59594622>>59594641megas ruined vgc, tcg, and go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZtRvBHwZd8video says stadiums will be counted as separate cards so you can run 4-4 of each side, is this true?
>>595947242 minutes in, he says you can only play 4 total. Where does he say differently?I'm not watching the whole thing.
>>59594737for whatever reason this guy's videos don't really do it for me
>>59594724>>59594737didn't watch the video, but according to the card text, the two different cards have the same name. So, based on the regular rule that you can only have 4 copies of a card with the same name, at most we can play the stadium twice with two of each half in deck.>You cannot play this card by itself. You must combine 2 different Legendary Lava Tube from your hand to play as 1 Stadium card.
>>59594778There HAS to be some sort of bench sitter support card coming soon that will help with this. Otherwise it's completely retarded because you will get stadium mogged every time you try to play it unless you're playing against a deck that doesn't run any (I think of any viable decks that don't right now)
>>59594792yep, basicallyI think they tried to make it akin to VMAXs (or god-forbid V-unions) or Megas where the power outweighs the risk
>>59594792I can see something like Mega Steelix having an ability that prevents your stadium from being bumped while benched. The con is it being a 3-prize liability with a high retreat cost (which in turn gives decks a reason to run Magnetic energy).
>>59594860Scratch the Mega Steelix/ability idea,my dumbass just realized that it would be counterintuitive to Lava Lake's effect.
>>59594641I mean the game/meta evolves as new cards come out, do you want it to stay stagnant forever? I like it when a previously bad card becomes good, it keeps the game fresh to find out new ways to play
>>59594885lol
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