Are fire types really THAT important for them to dominate the discussion of these games?
>>59577156yes
>>59577156No, but even then platinum addresses this moderately well I would say and is all anyone should play regarding Sinnoh. Fire is just a weird type as being one of the available options for a starter it feels like a "basic" type you'll find numerous alternative options for like grass and water but in reality fire is actually not too common, especially in comparison to those other two. It's a good offensive type generally but I think a lot of people see it as a "staple" type to have despite it usually providing few options outside of the starter.
>>59577167Pretty much this, and I also think the fact that they tried having a fire type Elite 4 member drew attention to the lack. I get that they were trying to do a more themed thing with Flint instead of a strict type specialist, but if they wanted to go that route they should have done it for the whole Elite 4. As it is, he is just an oddity (at least in Diamond/Pearl, this was also fixed in Platinum obviously).
>>59577156No.
>>59577156Yeah, the Pokemon distribution as a whole is complete dogshit, not just fire typesThis game isn’t fun unless you have a fetish for watching the same 3 kanto pokemon .pngs slide across the screen every 10 seconds
>>59577156Fire types are great starter Pokemon but aren't great for late game teams.
>no fire types>evolutions for pokemon that didn't need one>Fuckton of mythical and legendary pokemonDPPt are pretty bad, but not Johto bad. It's a shame pokemon inherently punishes unique pokemon like Snover with bad typing.
>>59577156I don't think its a deal breaker but it is an odd design choice and you notice it on a casual playthrough.
>>59577278Game freak was literally a small indie company when making johto and they intentionally phoned the dex in out of spite as to not overshadow Kanto. Any johto pokemon being usable if even liked is a fluke. Not really an excuse, incompetence is incompetence, but there’s a reason for johto’s dex issues. but Sinnoh was explicitly intended to be the “ultimate region” which is why it has the “god” Pokémon, Cynthia (the only champion normorids give a shit about), and Lucario (the second biggest industry plant after Charizard). They clearly wanted the Sinnoh dex to be good yet they fucked up that.
There is no defense for them having so many new evolutions not be available until post game because MUH 151.
Not really. Both the special/physical split and the fleshing out of several movepools this generation make the whole fire-type thing a nonissue. Casual players like the idea of having the fire-type as the party's characteristic aggressor for their own unique narrative journey as the player (Pokemon's primary appeal), so it perhaps it feels like a missing character to many. However, in practice, it's not required for gameplay at all. Honestly, you'd presume it'd promote more creative team-building (though, infamously, all casuals typically run the same team on their first Sinnoh playthrough). What are people really wanting? I doubt they'd be adding Slugma, Numel, or Torkoal to their parties. I bet if just the Aracanine line alone, something fast and cool, was in DP, this talking point would never exist. I was 10 when DP came out and I didn't even notice this "problem."
>>59577323>>59577278Johto was an expansion, it was always going to be 'part' of Kanto if not for Gamefreak's ineptness.They were developing Red/Green since the late 80s, almost lost the source code in the early 90s until they barely managed to ship Red/Green in 1996.The Gold/Silver designs seen in Spaceworld were already being developed by Gamefreak in the latter stages of development of Red/Green, they were just shitty developers who haven't figured it out yet.Even Gold/Silver had to be shrunk down and needed Nintendo's help because Gamefreak sucks. Funny enough, it was only until Tajiri stepped back and let Masuda in charge where Gamefreak stabilized as a studio.Blame Tajiri for putting Johtomons in post-game Kanto, Masuda gave everyone Numel and Torkoal while the rest of the team conveniently forgot to put Fire types while designing a PokeHokkaido region. Then in Unova they gave out Pansear as an early route shitmon, Heatmor, Darumaka, Litwick in Gen 5 with a bonus Volcarona after you get Dive and an early Victini event.
>>59577156I replayed DP and found out I really liked the dex.I want tighter pokedexes. With big dexes nothing matters. If you want a Fire type you have like 10 options. In DP if you don't want the two available you got to try and be more creative with Fire TMs or maybe consider other types, that's more engaging.
>>59577534Platinum was a healthy size, DP is shit.
>>59577278>DPPt are pretty bad, but not Johto bad.Low effort ragebait.
>>59577323schizo
>>59577156>platinum has better fire types than any johto or hoenn game before it>easiest game to farm flamethrower tms in>easy as fuck to farm shards to use with the move tutor for fire punch/fangnope, which is why retarded faggots like >>59577278 can't even explain what his dogshit post is blabbing about and has to obfuscate it with disliking the design of ambipom or whatever
I thought the new evolutions were kino :)
>>59578065cope
>>59577534So much this, tighter pokedex options make the whole journey feel so much more memorable.I still remember so many Pokemon in the Sinnoh dex just because the game gives them room to breathe, Gible, Psyduck, Machop, Gligar, Snover, Shinx, Buizel, Budew, etc.It’s a shame they’ve gone in the polar opposite direction and just crammed a million Pokemon into the game; sure it makes for more variety, but it makes each Pokemons inclusion have wayyy less weight
>>59577156Nah, firefags are just loudmouths
>>59577534>In DP if you don't want the two available you got to try and be more creative with Fire TMs or maybe consider other types, that's more engagingthe game isn’t difficult enough for this to matter
>>59579731It's not a matter of difficulty.
>>59579762Why would I need to “be creative” with anything when I win every battle by mashing STABs with my starter?
>>59579764Do you only play Pokemon? That's a stupid question.
>>59579768>dodging the question
>>59579777The premise of the question is faulty, it's not about difficulty.
>>59579782>dodging the question
>>59577323This, GS were going to have even more babies before Masuda took over and told them to dial it the fuck back. They were fully committed to the money train, and they correctly knew Kanto was God, so nothing should dethrone what Kanto had.
>>59579798>please play with my pilpulThe premise is faulty, fuck off.
>>59579850If the premise was faulty you would be able to answer the question.
Just pick infernape and shut up
Just play a game that's actually good and shut up
>Just play a game that's actually good and shut up
>>59579764great point yawny, thats why the lack of fire types isnt a problem and all criticism against DPPt is invalid, you dont need other pokemon anyway
>>59580066>th-the lack of pokemon in the pokemon game isn’t a problem!nice cope
>>59580068why would i need more pokemon? my starter literally pwns everything kehk, thats why including so many pokemon in Gen 6 was such a waste, should've spent that time actually finishing the Kalos region
>>59580068>brown infertile mutant is still incapable of seeing the greater implications of his arguments
>>59580073>wh-why would you need pokemon in the pokemon game?
>>59580221Why would I use more than one Pokemon when soloing is not only perfectly viable, but also the most optimal strategy?
>>59580237Because well designed games like Ultra Sun and Moon will be challenging enough to force you to use other Pokemon.
>>59580244>Hawlucha sweep the game
What do you get out of being contrarian towards people who don't like the only Fire types available being the starter or a two stage stone evolution from Kanto?
>>59580256Holy shit your hawlucha beat ultra necrozma? How?
>>59580261It allows him to pretend his shit game is good
>>59580265According to speedrunners by putting a Zorua in front of it and breaking the AI.
>>59580261Stop being an NPC. Rather talk to "contrarians" instead of people like you afraid of discussing things.>>59580269>clittyleaking this hard over someone merely liking DP, not even asserting it's the best game
>>59580270So you needed to use more than one Pokemon in a battle? Huh, sounds like USUM are good games.
>>59580278>clittyleaking this hard over your game being objectively bad
>>59580305Indeed, just like every Pokemon game.
>>59580311No?You can solo every single battle in every single game with your starter, except USUM.
>>59580311>Indeed, just like every-ACK!
>>59580322Oh, DP is a fine game then.
>>59580261you can dislike it, but should the absence of a single type really command so much criticism towards the game? It's not like you can't get through the games without fire types.
>conversation shifts from pokemon distributions to difficulty to DP vs USUMSee what happens when your premise is faulty? You have no point so the conversation goes all over the place.
>>59580338No?You can solo every single battle in DP with your starter, especially Chimchar who later becomes Infernape, who's basically better Blaziken due to Close Combat now existing.
>>59580244true, this is why XY are such shit games, they drown you in so many gift Pokemon then pretend like you should care about route Pokemon.The game is too easy and short for me to devote time to route mons when you literally get your starter and another from KANTOOOOSounds like XY are shit games, not to mention unfinished.
>>59577254>Fire types are great starter Pokemon but aren't great for late game teams.meh, they don't have as wide of a use that something like Ground types or Psychic types do, but since the games are always built around type specialists 1 fire type basically lets you steamroll all grass, bug, steel, and ice types.
>>59580355>No?You say DP is bad because unlike USUM it's a starter sweep, but you also say all games are like that, only USUM is different, so DP aren't really bad, USUM is just uniquely different.
>>59580359>B-B-BUT XY!!!strange cope for DPPt being worse
>>59580378No?It just means USUM is the only good game because it's a team-based JRPG that has the bare minimum requirement of asking you to utilize a team instead of roflstomping with an overleveled starter.
>>59580383>It just means USUM is the only good gameSo you're just going to start bitching every time someone likes a game besides USUM, because USUM is a Hawlucha/Zorua stomp instead of a starter stomp?
>>59580395Thanks for proving my point on why USUM is the only good Pokemon game.
>>59580403You like only one game for a faulty reason. You have only given me incentive to ignore you. You are autistic and I see why you took yourself out of the gene pool. DP is good.
>>59580426>You like only one game for [actually requiring you to engage with the teambuilding aspect of this team-based JRPG].Yes. Thank you for reiterating why USUM is the only good Pokemon game.
>>59580433You are not teambuilding by using a broken trademon and then breaking the ai of one fight. This is not difficulty, this is not good game design. If USUM had DP's game design it might have left out Hawlucha and Zorua, but it didn't, so USUM is ultimately not different from anything else.
>>59580446>This is not difficulty, this is not good game designYes it isYes it is
