>>59591429
Nobody gives a shit about smogon kikes

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>>59591429
>omgon

>>59591429
Isn't the whole point of Champions OU that it's supposed to match the meta of Champions?

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THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF MEHGA KWABCHOMP KEK

>>59591429
fanfic garbage continues to do fanfic garbage things

>>59591429
Why doesn’t smogshit just rebalance the Pokemon instead of banning them?

>>59591473
Because changing any of the stats or abilities of the pokemon would make their fanfic meta even more of a fanfic, dumb retard.

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>>59591429
>he thinks Smogon the fanfic meta is still relevant and hasn't been made obsolete by Pokemon Champions

you guys are real boners, you know that. do you have any idea how hard it's been following smogon since swsh? it's been a neverending nightmare

>>59591429
What? Mega Lucario Z is basically a glass canon.

>>59591429
lmao

also is that avatar ai?

Championsfags are right

as flawed as its launch has been - it completely destroyed Showdowns relevancy
only the fattest smelliest neckbeards will still play showdown now

>>59591466
chariturd lost

>>59591517
Why yes he did and I celebrated the humiliation.

>>59591429
Gen 6 OU was the last time smogon was good

>>59591526
Gen 4. That was back when it took a LOT of deliberation to even move Garchomp to Ubers. By gen 6, they were just treating OU as a curated metagame ("fanfic") rather than just getting rid of stuff as an extreme last resort.

>>59591512
>only the fattest smelliest neckbeards will still play showdown now
^ trvke

>>59591429
Didn't this shit just update like a week ago?
Can they not let the meta settle a bit lmao?

>>59591429
Golisopod is that good?

>>59591630
He's a tanky, self sustaining mega scizor who trades away 35 points of rarely relevant speed for more bulk

>>59591429
>banning mega alakazam in the year of our lord 2013+13

>>59591429
>Mega Golisopod and H Samu getting suspect tested
Not my boys...

Though it doesn't really mean shit in the actual Champions ladder kek

>>59591429
I haven't run into an Alakazam in Champions at all

>>59591459
No, it's a singles meta using pokemon/move/items available in champions.

Safe to assume casuals will make an appeal to ridicule at this for now and then pop a blood vessel next time they have to deal with the official way things like Sleep and Freeze among other things are programmed, huh?

>>59591429
who the fuck even bothers with their fanfic no fun allowed dogshit anyway

>>59591429
What? I thought the champions format in showdown was supposed to be just champions but in showdown lol. What's the point of curating what's allowed and what is not, champions already does that.

>>59591512
I fuck around in gen 3 ou because it's fun making neckbeards seethe with yolo skarm mystic water modest starmie and endure salac magneton

>>59591526
Smogon destroyed itself as far as I am concerned with the Gen 5 weather wars.

just play ubers if you don't like bans, bitches

>>59592905
Or I can just not play fanfic garbage period

>>59592802
It's 6v6. It turns out 6v6 is impossible to balance and there's way too many bullshit strategies you couldn't get away with in doubles or even BSS. Plus these matches take forever.

>>59593237
Vanilla Pokemon is impossible to balance regardless of format. VGCfags simply grit their teeth and bear it.

>>59592770
Safe to say that that would be the ones that do not care for the vanilla experience for good reason, huh?

>>59592637

>>59593340
Pokèmon is just a badly designed, brojen and overprogrammed game casually and competitively. Pokèmon fans just grit their teeth and bare it and then praise what are effectively Dragon Quest games in a Pokèmon skin like Colosseum, Mystery Dungeon and Pokopia and then seem to cope on the actual reasons why they feel less miserable playing those games.

Lucario Z is only good in 6v6 single
its mid in actual Champions doubles
Chomp Z is probably better there than LucZ because it can kill MegaMence (but you should still use base Chomp /w item)

>>59591823
Smogon's Champions is singles using the current state of Champions....

>>59593832
no one uses Alakazam in singles either

>>59591429
Wtf they ate voting to ban (and actually banning) stuff less than one week after it was included?
Never underestimate the autism of Pokémon fans. They would die before trying to adapt to a change

>>59593806
>Lucario Z is only good in 6v6 single
Just Skill Swap Magic Guard onto it.

>>59591512
Only trannies hate showdown

>>59593884
Marshadow and regileki got banned in a day

>>59593806
>(but you should still use base Chomp /w item)
The absolute state.

>>59591429
Yeah anything that can freely setup and sweep completely tears the dogshit singles format apart, we know this, it's the same story over and over. The moment you steer away from 40 turns switcheroo "just another 5 minutes" mom meta the game falls apart. Even GF knows this, that's why doubles is the official format.

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>>59593910
She is just too good...

>>59591429
omgon
TEALTH ROCK OK

>>59591512
Showdown finally gets to live as the battle simulator it was meant to be. Omgon WILL die thoughever, and champions is only like a 25% of the reason why.

>>59592637
Casuals play champions now broskie, and theyre better at Pokemon than (You). There's more casual japs playing BSS in this moment than the entirety of showdown's usercount, and those casuals say "smogon makes westerners unskilled"

>>59594014
How come Smogon players can usually jump into VGC and figure it out after a couple games?

>>59594024
Because they dont ask stupid questions like "why cant I use all 6 pokemon" or "why do my pokemon all need different items" with VGC because it's different enough from smogon singles.
VGC teambuilding is also slightly closer to smogon teambuilding, while teambuilding for official singles is an entirely different beast.

>>59594024
pokemans is pokemans at the end of the day

>>59594031
Be honest with yourself, the only reason they didn't include 6v6 is laziness.

>>59594006
does vgc already have anti-cheating measures in place? i know people can bring a friend into the venue so idk what's stopping someone from having an accomplice in the stands use an engine and communicating with visual cues

>>59594039
>laziness is when you don’t put retarded game modes in your game

>>59594049
But they included BSS?

>>59594039
>the only reason they didn't include 6v6 is laziness.
They dont include it for a lot of reasons but laziness isnt it. If anything adding 6v6 is the laziest way to generate some cheap hype for the game.

>>59594014
So you have usage and ladder data to back that up, correct? I don't have to go far to find pros getting their blood boiled at Sleep and Freeze among other things, meaning it is safe to say I am right, huh?

>>59594039
Nah. I think thjey want ot leave some things exclusive to the mainline games so people don't just drop them entirely. I bet you champions is going to wait at least 1 year to add gen 10 pokemon.

>>59594052
Laziness is the only reason. They don't want to bother supporting anything that isn't strictly used for ranked modes in older games.

>>59594049
Last I checked, 6v6 is the vanilla battle system game mode programmed into Pokèmon games by Game Freak themselves, correct? If it's so retarded, it would seem to reinforce the notion that Pokèmon is just a bad game at its core, huh?

>>59594055
>I bet you champions is going to wait at least 1 year to add gen 10 pokemon.
There's no way. VGC is using Champions from now on and VGC only exists to market the latest products.

>>59594057
It being wasted effort on a mode that
>japs wouldnt play
>other asians wouldnt play
>westerners who like VGC would play for a bit before going back to VGC
>westerners who dont like VGC wouldnt play cus they dont have champions downloaded
all to appeal to the handful of western players who probably doesnt like pvp in video games in the first place is the main reason to not add it

Meanwhile announcing BSS but you use all 6 takes maybe a day to code and gets a bunch of boomers who havent played pokemon pvp since link cables were on store shelves to ragequit the game and leave 1 star reviews. It's not laziness, the juice genuinely isnt worth the 5 second squeeze.

>>59594058
>Last I checked, 6v6 is the vanilla battle system game mode programmed into Pokèmon games
Nope

>>59594058
>6v6 is the vanilla battle system game mode programmed into Pokèmon games by Game Freak themselves, correct?
It's pretty good for structuring a JRPG campaign where players need multiple different characters to overcome various specialized opponents of differing skill levels.

>>59594070
You have survey stats on any of this, right? Player surveys? Official statements? Surely this isn't just assumptions made out of hot air, right?

>>59594058
Yeah, because its the one with the lowest skill floor. Temtem already showed us casual players don't want to make super competitive teams just to finish the game.

>>59594080
Why are you lying?

>>59594083
Probably way easier to find japanese player BSS statistics on google than any proof "6v6 isnt added due to laziness"

>>59591429
For singles I kinda get these but what was the reason with Mega Alakazam?

>>59594081
Most monster collector JRPGs like Dragon Quest Monsters, Yo-Kai Watch, Digimon and Shin Megami Tensei tend to design around a 3v3 or 4v4 battle system for that, right? Meanwhile Pokèmon when optimized for Singles tends to default to how good Baton Pass is, doesn't it?

>>59594089
I may be wrong but considering the fact thar said mode is programmed into the vanilla code of the game design itself and the default battle system, it's a much safer assumption, isn't it?

>>59594088
Why don’t you actually play the games?

>>59594095
>JRPGs like Dragon Quest Monsters, Yo-Kai Watch, Digimon and Shin Megami Tensei tend to design around a 3v3 or 4v4 battle system for that, right?
And those arent quite as good as 1v1 with a bench at showcasing individual monsters as mascots, hence why these battle systems are better suited and more successful in party narrative focused titles like Final Fantasy or Expedition 33. Hence why Pokemon was so successful with the "use your favorite electric guy to defeat the water boss" model.
>>59594099
The default mode of play for a single-player campaign is rarely well balanced for pvp. FPS games all but lost having both pvp and pve because the rules of play were often so different that one would make the other unpalatable.

>>59594102
What if I did and playing the games that get you to use a team of 6 against other NPCs using teams of 6 being the vanilla default battle system programmed into the game just further proved you were lying?

>>59594105
>against other NPCs
This is literally the key difference dawg

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>>59594104
Says who and based on what? Dragon Quest 5 had monster collecting teambuilding before Pokèmon and Tajiri went on record tons of his game design comes from Dragon Quest related things.

>>59594105
>against other NPCs
Glad we agree the game has no reason to include 6v6, since it has no fights against NPCs then.

>>59594108
I may be wrong but I seem to recall Pokèmon having this thing called a "Link Cable" where you could play the 6v6 system against another humanat one point. I also seem to recall the devs saying the PVP was a complete afterthought and last minute addition.

>>59594109
>Dragon Quest 5 had monster collecting teambuilding before Pokèmon
... and wasnt as successful despite being from an established IP. Thank you for confirming my point.

>>59594117
>at one point
>complete afterthought
>last minute addition
Your so close little bro

>>59594114
By metric, safe to say the few NPC Doubles with only 2 monsters from the opponent in battles do not justify VGC, huh?

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>>59594124
>do not justify VGC, huh?
technically no, but we havent fully transitioned to BSS-Only Pokemon yet

>>59594124
VGC not being a clown format justifies VGC.

>>59594119
Why does it matter if it's more popular if it's not even good? We would probably call someone that cares about that a "spineless lemming too afraid to challenge the status quo", wouldn't we? I may be wrong but I am pretty sure Dragon Quest is VERY popular among Tajiri's contemporaries, hemce it helped with inspiration and he himself was croticizing a hyper popular kid's JRPG at the end of it all, huh?

>>59594132
Based on what?

>>59594135
>Why does it matter if it's more popular if it's not even good
So you admit 6v6 is shit then? It was that easy? I just had to make you go "it was always shit"?

>>59594123
Pokèmon ain't a good game lil bro. Safe to say you are so close but peer pressure of bandwagoning is barring you from that point, huh?

>>59594139
Pokèmon as a whole isn't good. Doesn't matter the battle system. I can admit that.

>>59594144
>Pokemon (6v6 singles) aint a good game
Wow he folds like that

>>59594128
brown

>>59594145
So if you dont like pokemon and dont like comp regardless of format, why are you on /vp/ - pokemon in a thread about competitive?

>>59594146
Folded on what? Just cuz it isn't good doesn't mean it should be excluded when it's the enforced vanilla battle system. If they wanna be consistent, the vanilla experiemce should be like Colosseum's enforced Doubles?

>>59594150
But it isn't the enforced vanilla battle system.

>>59594148
Even if I was, better "brown" than "wrong".

>>59594150
Folded on 6v6 being shit and thus not worth including with the actually played game modes like VGC and BSS.

Man this bot has completely lost the plot

>>59594151
Yes it is, liar.

>>59594155
No it isn't, campaignshitter.

>>59594128
I CANNOT believe champions and ZA turned kojo reasonable. Actually infuriating.

>>59594152
>if
We all know, kojo.

>>59594154
It's worth including cuz it is the vanilla battle mode regardless of it sucking.

Unfortunately for you, ypu do not actually know if I am human or not and I do and you'll just have to cope, huh?

Ironically, being against popular opinion makes me far less likely to be a programmed bot, huh?

>>59594157
Yes it is since the game's code is centered around it, random internet stranger that did not design or program the game.

>>59594164
>it's worth
Obviously isnt
>you dont know if I'm a bot
No human would take solace in this
>makes me more likely to not be a bot
Engagement-bots are programed to be as argumentative as possible

>>59594162
It would look pretty stupid to pretend you know all about a random internet stranger in lieu of a good point, wouldn't it? Safe to say I should be proud to be smart enough to not pretend anything about you other than some text on a screen, huh?

>>59594167
No it isn’t, campaignshitter.

>>59594167
>is centered around it
... for the single-player mode where it is supported, as it was abandoned as a mode for pvp due to low interest and long matches

>>59594176
Unfortunately for you, my own free thoughts are my decision. Sucks to not be me, huh?

>>59594177
You're brown, canadian, and post wojaks. You say nothing of worth.

>>59594184
This was back in GSC where the game was programmed to give a ton of things Rest among other things, right? Safe to assume things have changed, more stuff was programmed into the game and player engagement and feedback is easier to guage even now, correct?

>>59594190
Seems it was worthy enough for appeals to ridicule out of baseless assumptions in vain attempts to silence opposition, huh? Whatever you value as worth is none of my concern, so I am going to keep talking and you will continue to have no good points. What are you going to do about it?

>>59594195
Yes and they prefer the shorter more strategic matches of BSS and VGC to the bloated switchfest of 6v6.

>>59594201
>baseless assumptions
Yawnie, we all know you're the only one who uses any of your retarded catchphrases.

>>59594203
Which kinda goes back to this point, huh?>>59594201

Seems safe to say 3v3 and 4v4 battle systems that accomplish exactly that with higher quality to boot merit more if my praise and study compared to Pokèmon if those factors are of importance, don't they?

>>59594208
Well, I'm going to say more as to make sure you suffer from reading them instead of logging off and only being able to say "retarded" but not "wrong". What are you gonna do about it?

>>59594203
Apologies. Wrong comment link.
Here ya go.
>>59594095

>>59594212
>>59594231
Except they dont, and if anything, the explosive popularity of Palworld further proves 6 party members with a single monster on the field is THE best model for singleplayer monster collector content

>>59594237
That game is also alot faster paced in general, isn't it? It's not a slow as molasses turn based battle system that makes DQM or Digimon's turn based systems look a billion times better designed, right?

>>59594243
Eh, it's a survival-crafting game with bulletsponge enemies. You could do a VGC match in the time it takes to craft some of the weapons.

>>59594245
Even if speed was the priority, alot of that could still be addressed with higher quality game design especially in battle UI, right? The games listed above all have a fast forward button and keep hitting for weakness or resistance a fadeout visual graphic instead of an extra textbox that pads the time, right?

>>59594257
If you havent played champions, its UI is actually in a really sweet spot for speed and legibility i was impressed

>>59594272
I mean that is kinda part if the bigger issue, isn't it? Why did it take so long to address that and why did it take a completely separate game? Is it really too much to ask for the main game to have these things?

>>59594282
"Anyone can make Pokemon better than GameFreak" is a saying here for a reason!

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>>59594285
Well, at least they are right about that.