When did Smogon stop being relevant?
>>59600121When they stopped being a nazi group
>>59600121Since it’s tied at the hip with Showdown, and by extension the beating heart of the competitive Pokemon community, it never will be.
>>59600121Rigjt after the first domino. Once official tournaments started being held, Smogon's meta didn't matter anymore.
>>59600121Champions was a big one. For me, my breaking point was ether the Swagger Ban or the Shadow Tag ban because both were retroactively applied to old formats where they were still fine and not a problem. Wobbuffet hasn't been a problem since Emerald, but they banned it because other Pokemon hurt their feelings.
switch era was the killing blow. trying to do its own thing ignoring dexcuts but also trying to include the newest mons, abilities and gimmicks into one big fat clusterfuck meta was too much
Smogon is still relevant and will literally never stop being relevant when it's the only option for 6v6.
I agree with every decision they've made you fags can mald
>>59600236this. it got really confusing with the national dex. a lot of people still play gen 7 OU as well because of it
>>59600124>When they stopped being a nazi groupStopped?
>>59600255Gen 7 was the last good gen in general
>>59600121at some point during gen 7>>59600124this works too
>>59600255take me back to Gen 4 OU/Ubers
>>59600121When they chose to have megas and z-moves in national dex for some reasonDynamax ban was good for people who actually play the format, though.
ban swagger stealth rock ok
>>59600121When they didn't pivot to focus primarily on vgc
>>59600431Come brother. The gen 5 weather wars needs more troops.
>>59601669it's fucking WINDY
>>59601669gen 5 is a retarded mess where if you beat one of the members of the old boys club with an off-meta strat it gets banned the next day
>>59600431>>59601669>>59601783Gen 4/5/6/7 comp is for gay loser niggas. gen 3 comp is where its atand gen 2 is fun if snorlax is banned
>>59600240>Smogon is still relevant and will literally never stop being relevant when it's the only option for [irrelevant format]
>>59600192Champions is dead too
>>59600121Gen 6 OST cheating scandalHow anyone can take them seriously after a site admin literally rigged their biggest tournament is beyond me
>>59601837Gen 4 and 5 could've been as good as Gen 3 if they didn't basically just ban the whole ass metagame people were used to when they were the main games.Peak Gen 4/5 were on par with 3, but modern Gen 4/5 are trash fires.
>>59601837Gen 3 is solved ass. Dugtrio and Blissey ruin any chance of innovation.
>>59600121It was slow and gradual process. Literally frog boiled itself alive.Smogonities with power got high on the idea of preserving certain play style for all costs, which became a burden when Gamefreak decided to develop the game in the direction that is literally antithesis of it. Smogooners instead of changing their expectations decided to just stuck with their idealized picture of the game and because normal people want to play Pokemon and not some neutered version of it, Smogon just became irrelevant.And then we got Champions that despite it's flaws shits on Showdown and Smogon in every possible way.
>>59600121The second Champions released. Now singles is a dead format. Nobody plays Gen 9 shit anymore. The Champions OU playerbase is nothing compared to the actual Champions playerbase even just Singles. On top of being a full LARP format that still uses Smogon rules when it should mirror what the game actually has.Smogon will continue dying a slow natural death when Gen 10 comes out and its revealed the new way battles are done is incompatible with its ability to simulate them with their rules system in place and so Champions will become the true default format.
>>59603111Pokemon Champions has over 20 million downloads on the mobile version alone, retard. Along with being the official companion app for the VGC circuit now.
>>59601837Smogon’a Gen 2 OU is basically a gaslight. It’s flat out not out Gen2’s comp was designed for. It level 100 instead of 5 and has no item clause. That might not seem like a big deal but much of the “Stall” and snorlax dominance in Gen2 is due to those things since HP scaling means everything is bulkier relative to offensive at level 100 than 50 and everything can have leftovers instead of only one mon. As a result Nintendo cup 2000 plays differently from Gen 2 OU and from what I’ve read if people who still play Nintendo Cup 2000 (a surprising amount of people), it seems much healthier.It’s surreal defending game freak but really seems like there was a small period of time where they were try to make a balanced meta game AND knowing what the hell they were doing
>>59600121>Beginning of the endComplex weather bans in gen 5.>Steep declineThe baton pass fiasco>shark jumpedBanning sleep in multiple gens>it’s overBanning shit in champions OU
>>59600121they were already on the decline in gen 7, but gen 8 is when things really got bad. they still could've turned it around, but they doubled down in gen 9 and it's completely unsalvageable now.the various councils are just tranny circlejerks who do whatever they want and come up with post-hoc justification later. at any given moment, they can just decide a pokemon needs to go and ban it on the spot, no matter how niche it actually is, with zero community discussion on the matter, and no amount of reasonable discussion from people who actually play the tier will get that overturned because the tranny council's word is law. looking at you, gen 4 froslass.
>>59600121When people started elofagging.
>>59604546? post elo
>>59600314>Stopped?Yes.
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>>59604560>>59604565How do you respond to these without sounding mad?
>>59603111Sometimes I accidentally hit re q after a match, try to exit queue, and literally cannot leave queue fast enough before I match with someone on Champions. This is at 1700
>>59600121Imagine enjoying doubles
>>59600121It stopped being relevant when people stopped talking about it.
Hi Verlisify.
>>59600121>"This is the end of Smogon" says increasingly-nervous man for the 7th time this year
>>59603671>gen 4 froslassQRD?also if you want a bone to pick with gen 4 machamp is low-hanging fruit
>>59600124FPBPI don't know why but on the internet when you see a nazi symbol you're about to be hit with the best takes you've ever heard in your life
>>59605851They banned Snow Cloak + Sand Veil so certain pokes like Froslass that have them as their only ability got banned on a technicality. Froslass was the big one because it was legitimately viable and had a unique niche,
Imagine playing a children's game as if it were a competitive sport. Couldn't be me!
>>59605869Forgot to add that it happened because one fag on the council got trolled by evasion cheese and had a melty
>>59605869ah, so same reasoning as cacturne/gligar in gen 3 where some councilfag got cheesed by subseed
>>59605851its only ability is snow cloak, and snow cloak got quickbanned out of nowhere, with the only "evidence" used in support of its ban being a single ~1300 elo replay where it didn't even do anything notable. despite community outcry about how this was completely retarded because froslass was a viable pokemon and literally nobody ever uses hail because it requires putting fucking abomasnow on your team, it was never reversed.OMGON BAN SNOW CLOAKJIRACHI PARAHAX IS OK
>>59600121in gen8 the meta was extremely bad and they ruined gen 9 withing a couple weeks, months being generous and the nail in the coffin was unban of z*mazenta. tera is also unfun to play
jirachi shouldn't be banned regardless of what they did to froslass
>>59600121When they were?
>>59606201you do know the council wanted tera gone right?about half of the bans since the tera vote were punitive bans to punish the playerbase for keeping tera alive, to say nothing of the tera blast ban
Dex Cut/the five year SV drought. After a certain point, bans started to serve the purpose of preserving the current system and adhearing to the rules of how the tiering format worked instead of making the metagames actually fun to play. Finch should've retired years ago ngl, I don't even hate the guy but he legitimately just became bad at the job.
>>59604566>Dumb ESL.Like this.
>finch leaves the council>still whines about gen9 on twitterPathetic human
>>59606930Define "current system", what I see is a conga line of heavy hitters that weren't balanced around slow singles formats and took over the meta one after the other
>>59608915As someone who played early gen 9 a lot of the initial bans like espathra and Chi-yu are big ones I remember but once we started banning shit like backscaliber but NOT kinggambit who had the same playstyle and relative power level it really did feel like a Meta was being artificially enforced rather then naturally occuring
