>villain is evil because everyone else is retarded
>>59628869I think ORAS is the probably the only game with a generational conflict.>Boomers don't like the game because it has ugly redesigns, killed Pokémon Contests, introduced Marvel-tier Multiverse nonsense, and has fewer content than Emerald.>Zoomers like the game because they don't know any better and probably like OP's they like Zinnia or the newest redesigns of May and Shelly
Do you think they fucked on top of the Sky Pillar?
>>59628883contests suck in emerald. they suck slightly less in oras
>villain is evil AND everyone else is retarded, including villain
>>59628869>No you can't send the meteor to another dimension the voices in my head says it will go to a universe without mega evolution so they cant send it to another universeWTF was her problem. I'm glad the pokespe oras arc had her get FUGGED
>>59628883Not really. Emerald was my first game, but I still love ORAS for the megas. I think it's a bad remake, but I've definitely played it more to use megas in the battle facilities than I have played emerald
>>59628963>assuming the meteor will be conveniently teleported right in front of alt-Earth>also sabotaging the only other ( somewhat controversial but 100% working) solution, with her plan only succeeding because Brendan / May were there to hand over a McGuffin to Fug, meaning Zinnia would have doomed the world with her arrogance if not for lucky coincidences
>>59629086>It's okay because she's sexyI like this
I can fix her
>>59628869Hot women with big tits can't be evil.
>>59629110Female character designs with a single canine tooth (eg Zinnia, PokeSpe Sapphire, Midna) are based
>>59628869Tbh that is the best writing direction to go in for a setting like pokemon.The whole utopia where everyone gets along shtick can only produce three types of antagonist: Evil for the sake of evil, evil for convoluted bullshit reasons and evil because misunderstood. Only the last option has a chance to produce an interesting story in such a setting.
>>59628884About that...
>>59628869She was the one being retarded. And I say this as someone who did play DE.
>>59628869>Female>VillainAnon, pokemon can't have female main villains>But what about Hunter J, Penny, Sada and LusamineAnime exclusive, not really a villain at all, a robot that just follow her programming, and GF will make anything possible to make everyone forget that Lusamine was a villain.
>>59628963>he voices in my head says it will go to a universe without mega evolution so they cant send it to another universeIt was her clan lore and they already confirmed the existence of the other universe.
>>59628869Didn't her womb get fugged?
>>59629247In Pokespe, yeah. There, in addition to riling up Archie and Maxie into awakening Groudon and Kyogre (which nearly destroyed the Hoenn region, and Fug did NOT forget this), Zinnia also went around mugging people for their Key Stones as an offering to Rayquaza so she could be the Loremaster and accompany him into space. Ruby spent time tracking down Ray and bonding with him, and Ray also grabbed Sapph, remembering her from the previous conflict too. Zinnia attacked both and knocked them off Fug's back to fall into the ocean below, cursing them as Devon allies who had the gall to try and bond with Rayquaza.Fug got pissed for her insolence and speared her on his tail, causing internal bleeding, then Hyper Beamed her into the ocean. She barely survived, but was paralyzed from the waist down and has to ride in a wheelchair for the rest of her life now, and is well known as the shame of the Draconids for her selfish acts, and so they're taking care of her in their isolated village. She was forced to relinquish her role as Loremaster to Ruby and Sapphire.
>>59629247yeah, with my big fat rayquaza
>>59629271>Is it...over?Not 'til the fish jumps.*splash*It's over.
>>59628883i think oras is almost good, it wouldnt take much to fix it imo if it had storyline teams closer to emerald, replaced the 2 extra "just there for no reason" contest halls with battle facilities akin to the ones in b2w2 ala pokestar treehollow pwt and removed the delta episode, it would be a perfectly fine game in my eyes, not amazing, but perfectly fine
>>59629187SM still exists as one possible timeline independent from USUM, so Lusa being an abusive piece-of-shit-parent villain is still valid>>59629189Though the clan lore couldn't predict that Fug lost its ability to Mega Evo, given Zinnia's surprised reaction. Meaning it's also questionable if the teleported meteor would be guaranteed to hit alt-Earth and if the threat was more of a risk than a set-in-stone event.
>>59629357>they knew nothing because they didn't know every single thing
>>59628887>contests suck in emerald. they suck slightly less in orasLmfao, you did'nt play the game
*knocks you unconscious out of nowhere because it needs to be daytime for the next cutscene* Yeah... Sorry.
>>59629445>Why is my penis wet, sticky and sore?
>>59629357I miss SM lusamine so much.Episode RR will pay for its crimes
>>59629373Then the Draconids should have shown some humility and taught their descendants that their lore is lacking. Instead, one of their "finest" is convinced of her people's heritage being superior to modern technology (which is just "stupid and barbaric", even though mankind would have proven they're able to solve a world-ending issue on their own), entitling her to do all kinds of terrible things (stirring up two opposing ideological groups to cause an ecological crisis; theft; sabotage), because in her mind she's serving the right and only correct cause. Meanwhile all of ORAS' plot boils down to finding a McGuffin that is the meteorite (which for the most part is in the player's inventory) and bringing it to a weakened Rayquaza, which Zinnia wasn't aware of until mere moments before the Grand Meteor Delta would have impacted Earth. Meaning her plan was doomed from the start if not for luck and Brendan / May not going MIA at some point during the story (like failing to stop Kyogre / Groudon and drowning / burning alive as a consequence). And if she wasn't an arrogant and entitled retard, she could have simply stolen the Cable Link and keep it in her possession as a back-up plan, if something didn't go as planned.
>>59629458>ywn get knocked out and raped by a big-tittied and batshit-insane cultist chick while unconsciousWhy live?
>>59629532>taught their descendants that their lore is lacking.The entire point of not knowing something is that you don't know it.
>>59629458>>59629543God it just happened ONCE. Let it go.
>>59629625No, there's more to it. If I know nothing about the nature of X and make a decision which is affected by X, then I'm acting reckless because X could be harmful and I'm willingly exposing myself or others to this harm (Devon POSSIBLY sacrificing alt-Earth to save Earth). And even if I know everything necessary (maybe 99,9%, but never 100%), there could be still something harmful and unaccounted for, which I shouldn't carelessly neglect but do my best to prepare for (Zinnia not taking into account that her plan COULD fail, resulting in Earth being entirely defenseless as the Link Cable (Plan B) was sabotaged by her).Devon's idea of teleporting the meteor into an alternate universe was reckless (which Zinnia rightfully called out), because they might have sacrificed a different Earth to save theirs. However, it was a solution which would have worked (going by how Zinnia deemed it necessary to destroy the Link Cable), and there was a chance that it might have not hit alt-Earth (it's never specified how the teleportation works). Basically a choice with a chance of murder.Zinnia's plan was reckless because her entire plan depended on a variable she couldn't control and didn't even know about (Brendan / May being at the right time at the right place to feed the meteorite to a weakened Fug); she could have left the Link Cable as a Plan B (if she was wise enough to foresee eventual problems with her plan), allowing the inhabitants of Earth to decide if they wanted to live on and risk the death of billions on alt-Earth, or sacrifice themselves to spare alt-Earth. Basically an "either us or perhaps them" dilemma. But, as boastful as Zinnia was, she already made that choice herself, risking and possibly dooming all life on Earth by betting on her plan being successful due to sheer luck.Either way, both Devon and Zinnia gambled with someone elses' lives. But Zinnia is a hypocrite because she thinks she can judge others when her plan was based on the same notion.
>>59629110I don't want to fix her.
>>59628883>because they don't know any betteri've played both ORAS and Emerald. ORAS is better.
>>59630010> If I know nothing about the nature of X They knew more than "nothing".> there could be still something harmful and unaccounted forBy that logic no one should ever do anything in life.
>>59629150who the fuck is this
>>59628869>good design>one of the best themes in the series>all gone to waste because her character is among the worst in the entire seriesImagine how popular she would be if the Delta Episode was competently written
>>59630059Welcome to the pokemon fanbase.
>>59630059You can't expect Game Freak to write a good female character.Indeed, I don't even know if they are competetnt at writting male ones
>>59630040>Red eyes>Black hair>Big tits>Dragon type mons>ORAS Maxie on the background>Posted on a Zinnia themed threadShit, its hard to guess who this woman is
>>59630074I don't know. I can't think of a character that has as much potential to be a fan favorite like Zinnia but then just fucks everything up by being unlikable.
>>59630039>By that logic no one should ever do anything in life.That's a valid flaw, yet one doesn't have to think that complicated. In Zinnia's case, all she needed to do is not destroy the Cable Link. Leave the option you disagree with still open. You might not even get to use it later when Earth decides to sacrifice itself, but just in case, it increases the overall chance of all life on Earth surviving by making more solutions available. The question if Earth or alt-Earth deserves to be spared is another can of worms, what matters here is whether Earth survives or not (unless, the survival of her homeworld wasn't as much of a high priority in Zinnia's mind as preserving her ego).
>>59630096>I don't know.Obviously you don't. Pokemon fans hate any sort of competent writing. If Zinnia were well written then she'd be even less popular.>>59630110>The question if Earth or alt-Earth deserves to be spared is another can of wormsOh, so you're a psycho, explains all the goalpost moving then.
>>59630124>Oh, so you're a psychoFor pointing out the dilemma at hand?>explains all the goalpost moving then.?
>>59630134>For pointing out the dilemma at hand?Its not a dillemma for sane people. Its why the story presents both worlds being saved as a good thing.>?This started because you said Zinnia's behavior was based on "the voices on her head" in >>59628963 and I corrected that error. Everyhing else is unnecesary drivel.
>>59630142It's a discussion for sane people regarding extreme situations, which this scenario as previously written would be - under unlucky circumstances. I'm not arguing for annihilating another planet just for the fun of it, but pointing out why Zinnia's course of action isn't wise when it comes to survival (again, it's another debate when arguing whether one or another planet "deserves" to be spared, rather than discussing which options are available for survival). She makes rash decisions based on the assumption that her plan will be successful, even though there are factors at play she couldn't know or expect, no matter how smartass she acts to be. Devon developing the Cable Link wasn't for genocide, but a genuine attempt to save Earth (and it's not about making Devon look good, Infinity Energy extraction is one hell of a controversy), so her dismissing the option by destroying it might be morally good, but also reckless since she takes away one guaranteed solution to save Earth. Besides, what qualifies Zinnia to put herself into the position to decide over the fate of billions of lives?>This started because you saidThat's another anon, not me. You can check if you want. >>59628963
>>59630190>>59628963
>>59628963My headcanon says the meteor got transported to PMD instead, where fug hyperbeam it
>>59630190>It's a discussion for sane people regarding extreme situationsThat's not what you worded.>That's another anon, not meYou replied to me in the chain. If you wanted to argue a different thing then make an unrelated point.
>>59628869
>>59630203Only Mega Fug is able to destroy a meteor of that size. Otherwise the stakes involved in the DE would be pointless.>>59630206Then be so kind and point out what's the issue.
>>59630217>Then be so kind and point out what's the issue.I already did. >>59628963 said Zinnia had no source. She did.
>>59630218More precise info. Does she exactly know where the meteor will be teleported, or is it simply an estimate?
>>59630224How much did the source say is different to whether there was a source at all.
>>59630228I'm refering to what's in the games. Quotes. Has she exact info about where, at which space coordinates the meteor will end up, or is it simply her vague statement about endangering other people?
>>59630238>>59630228
>>59630124>Obviously you don'tThen give an example of another character like Zinnia who has a good design and good battle theme but is botched by the story.
>>59630277What would that even prove?
>>59630278>What would that even prove?The "Welcome to the pokemon fanbase." kinda implies it's common so I'm curious what other characters fit the bill. This isn't for an argument or anything.
>>59630294the common thing being pokemon fans hating any writing slightly more elaborate than "ash being retarded", not necesarily related to design and battle theme
>>59628869And it applies to fans too.>retards say she should have talked about the multiverse to others even if they wouldn't believe her>said retards prove her point because they don't believe her to begin with and claim her idea of the multiverse was a theory of hers>in the actual game her grandma confirms without a doubt the entire clan has known of the multiverse for generationsZinnia did everything right and boomers hate her because she put their pretty childhood icon Steven in his place. Also because emasculated "men" can't handle strong willed, active women.
>>59630330>Zinnia did everything right and boomers hate her because she put their pretty childhood icon Steven in his place.I don't care about Steven. I hated Zinnia from the start of the DE when she bullied Rival May.
>>59629357>>59629532>>59630010>just because they have seen the multiverse doesn't mean it's not real, they didn't know at what rate Rayquaza gets hungry after all! Sending the doomsday rock somewhere else is the best choice, who cares about another Earth being destroyed by our problem? Maybe they will also send it to destroy yet another Earth!fucking kek what a massive and utterly psychopathic cope
>>59630330My problem is that she didn't even tell anyone why she was stealing key stones and spends the entire episode vague posting with "lack imagination" instead of talking about mega fug which people should believe after the whole primal Groudon/Kyogre thing (which she helped start). Also if the protag hadn't been carrying around that meteorite that Team Aqua/Magma tampered with then the earth would've been fucked because she lacked imagination that Fug might not be able to mega evolve and destroyed the only other means to get rid of the meteor otherwise.
>>59630353>my problem is that she should have talked about it!I already addressed that>they would totally believe her even if they didn't believe the other parts of the same story!Sure they would, retard, sure they would.>b-but she didn't know Rayquaza was still hungryYeah she had no way to know that, changes absolutely nothing, she did right with her knowledge.>b-but she destroyed the cable linkYes that's a good thing. Surely you understand why that's a good thing, right, psycho?
>>59628883I've played Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald and Alpha Sapphire, I still remember getting the remake with my first girlfriend because Hoenn was her first gen. ORAS is way, way better than RS and the Battle Frontier aside, better than Emerald too.The multiverse was also not introduced in ORAS, retard.
>there's a bomb in your flat, there's nothing you can do to disable it, it's gonna explode and kill everyone in the building>but you and as far everyone knows only you have a magic button that sends the bomb somewhere else in the city>then your neighbor enters your home and steals your silver spoons>turns out if your neighbor gets enough silver spoons she can disable the bomb so the plan is taking them, saving the whole building and then give them back>also breaks the magic button because they know there's a way to save everyone from the bomb rather than sending it away where it may kill people without silver spoons nor magic buttons to save themselvesImagine having so lowly morals and being so self-centered you think your neighbor here is a villain. You may as well call yourself american.
>>59630396Anon, you're missing the point: how can you know for sure if the neighbor's method is real and will work out, or if the neighbor is just delusional and batshit insane?
>>59630463Anon, just give up. Zinniafags don't care about reasoning.
>>59630463That's literally not the point and you don't have to know anything. If you lack the information you can think the neighbor is crazy yes, but ORAS shows Zinnia's clan being knowledgeable, you know she's right, the point here is the moral dilemma of saving your skin and risking others with no way to save their own or trying to do something that can save everyone.The neighbor knew dealing with the building's problem was a possibility and wanted to save everyone in the city. You knew dealing with the building's problem was a possibility and still wanted the button to the bomb to some random part of the city no matter how many you may kill in the process. Because you are a psychopath. It doesn't matter if others don't know the gist and the plan seems crazy to them, you have all the information and still think about the button like a selfish fucking psychopath, that, my friend, is the point.
>>59629150God I love Zinnia
>>59629189>It was her clan lore and they already confirmed the existence of the other universe.How do we know the rest of her clan aren't as batshit as she is?How did they "prove" their claims of another universe?
>>59630330I was going to say this doesn't happen and then I saw >>59630396>>59630396>but you and as far everyone knows only you have a magic button that sends the bomb somewhere else in the cityThis breaks the analogy because no one knew this, only the draconids.>>59630463>how can you know for sure if the neighbor's method is real and will work outBy the time this was posited they had no other choice.>neighbor is just delusional and batshit insaneIts not the case though.>>59630538We don't know the specifics of how her clan knew of this.But Zinnia, and probably most in the clan, aren't insane. She's just retarded.
>>59630567>This breaks the analogyYou didn't understand the analogy like the uber retard you are. The button is the device of the scientist of Hoenn, the draconids is "your neighbor", just one person doing something apparently insane (stealing silver spoons).Thank you for showing the class the real problem here, your lack of reading comprehension.
>>59630625>The button is the device of the scientist of Hoenn, the draconids is "your neighbor", just one person doing something apparently insane (stealing silver spoons).Those are exactly how I understood those roles though.Either the analogy is bad or you didn't play DE like 99% of the people on /vp/.
