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>>59638264Both the Liko anime and the Ashime are complete DOGSHIT
If you evaluate each series after DP then you would realized each series flop because of a new OC --> Best Wishes : Literally tried to push an inexperienced newbie racist trainer as the new "Paul" despite nobody asking him to be Paul. The smartest thing BW series could've done was turning Trio into joke rival like Georgia & Burgundy who can't accept the hick trainer from hick region is better than him despite losing all the time, basically the anime would make fun of racist for their racist believe to discourage children from being racist. But some reason some guy on TPC keep insist Trip has to be new "Paul" that would only lose to Ash in their league showdown even if they have to shove it down to people throat. Resulting in Ash becoming even more dumber to make Trip look superior and when people still refuse to accept him, THEY "AVENGED" TRIP BY FORCING ASH TO LOSE TO SOMEBODY WORST IN A HUMILIATING WAY OUT OF PURE SPITE. > XY/XY&Z : This entire series was basically a lie, it masks itself as Ash's story in actuality it was a power fantasy fanficition about Alain. They specifically targeted IDIOTS who only sees the surfaces and they got so hype about "handsome" & "heroic" Ash so much that they ignored his XY personality being out-of-character & he was still as weak as BW Ash & still forced to follow dumb rules such as not allowed to get Mega Evolution or keep pseudo-legendary pokemon. The anime hype up Ash-Greninja as something special but in actuality it was a plot device Alain's glorious Kalos victory which is why they immediately removed it as soon as it served its purpose of losing to Alain. Every decision on XY and XY&Z was about Alain and how to glorify him. Alain is the sole freaking reason XY&Z got mogged by Youkai Watch. > SM series : The backlash from Kalos League, the new artstyle & Alola's lack of gyms pretty much killed this series before it even started. (1/2)
>Day 316 of maggots not staying on /padt/Weird to call a show that is still going on "dying" despite multiple claims it ending last year or even last April but hey, those two hours of attention have to be worth it, right? Or is this another case of lolcows obsessing with it for conspiratory reasons?
(2/2) > JN series : Had the best premise to run for another 20 years until some fujoshi decided to waste the whole premise on Goh and his friendship with Ash instead of building actual cast of main group to carry this series and then they waste more time trying to shove Koharu dumb journey to find her dream with that stupid Eevee. JN series should have followed similar structure like Pokemon Legends Z-A where Ash join Green, Brock and Goh as a group to investigate various matter related to Pokemon while interact with a supporting cast of quirky characters like the Z-A Royale rivals. Nobody care or interested in two boy's friendship outside of Fujoshis. > Horizons : Liko and Roy was never a good protagonist and the anime attempt to make them special only made them unlikable .
>>59638264Maybe it's different now, but when I was watching Pokemon as a kid, boys rarely watched shows with a female protagonist
>>59638397And that is /thread.
>>59638397Fpbp
>>59638420I was a cardcaptor sakura fan before pokemon aired on TV.
Kids are playing palworld and aniimo now.Pokemon sucks.
>>59638264Liko flopped
>>59638611Kids are playing fortnite and pre-ordering GTA 6, they don't care about Pokémon anymore
>>59638627>pre-orderingKids don't have money, retard
>>59638264>create the most fun formula for anime>people love it>works for 7 generations>decide they want to kill off the character because they heard some fringe minority losers cry every day about "WAAH NO CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT! WAAH NO CHARACTER GROWTH! WAAH HE IS LE 10 YEARS OLD WHILE I AM LE GROWING OLD!">completely ruin the anime in the process>finally replace the characters with boring characters and no one even talks about the new anime outside /padt/ unlike how popular the original anime revolving ash, his friends and team rocket was
>>59638383>>59638398dp was genuinely the peak of animethey also butchered team rocket after that, along with pairing ash with the most boring and unappealing companionsiris has no personality besides "heh you are le kid!" and cilan is such a downgrade compared to brockthen the xy anime has such weird pacing and dialogue, i can immediately feel something is off after watching the dp animei can't even get myself to watch it or anything else after itthe thing with the anime is, everyone already knows what worked bestjust a young trainer who travels different regions and wants to become better and befriend different pokemon, while being accompanied by other trainers who have their own goals, while being followed by crazy and silly team rocket with their bizarre plans to catch pikachuit was simply perfect
sexy liko
No Team Rocket
>>59638611Digimon too, beatbreak was sucess and mogged pokeshit anime,digimon got a manga in shone jump too lmao poketroon just keep dying meawhile digimon is getting more popular good anime, tcgm mangas what a good timeline
>>59639285games too time stranger>>>every pokemon game
>>59639285It doesn't surprise me; Bandai is taking advantage of Pokémon's terrible situation—Pokémon is woke garbage now, it's not japanese anymore
>>59638264cringe pokemanchildren, thats what happened
>>59638264>>59638383>>59638691>>59639285He'll never come back
It's hilarious that he's praising Digimon when they have switch protag multiple time and he's fine with it, but can't accept that Pokémon doing it as well. Hypocrisy at it's finest.
>>59638264Because kids anime is declining in viewership due to low birthrate.
>Have a genuinely good concept>Finish said concept>Then have a timeskip that really didn't do anything for the cast>Make a side villain into a main villain, and make him look like a lesbian>filler filler filler filler what was the plot again? filler filler filler>Finally fight the bad gu- oh, they're fighting an alien crystal robot now. Okay then.>Story complete, nothing to proceed with. End the story and start a new one?>No, just have the cast play the spinoff games and somehow make the spinoff games look better.>Also introduce the ugliest new main character yet. Navi a shit.They could've just stopped and started a new story entirely. They completed the story no matter how you look at it. Now it's just doing spinoffs, DLC, and side games just to cram in content. Ash finally being retired was good, but they should not have gone as crazy as they did with the current series. The series should have ended either after they defeated the rakurium the first time or after Spinel lost everything. There was no point in continuing with the main cast afterwards.
>>59639320>Greninja has been around for 30 yearsThe state of frogniggertards
>>59639446Anon, while I do agree with you on some points, you have to understand that they clearly want new characters for Winds and Waves. The new arc is filler for the time being until maybe 2028 when we get a new anime. Here's the thing, they still have a bunch of Pokémon they haven't shown yet, especially from Galar and Hisui. So, they can use this to get them on the big screen.
>pisses off and ultimately fires Takeshi Shudo>Raised a shit ton of people to be Pokemon fanatics and slander the poor guy with libel post-humously that he was a furry fucker for a thing for Lugia and got upset by drowning his sorrow and booze in horse tranquilizers when in reality he lost his father (his idol in life) and mother and became estranged from his family for a period of time due to being a workaholic>Surprised when you stretch an anime out for no reason with the shittiest plot known to man and not adhearing to Shudo's advice that they should at least try a new protagonist for every new generation and make stories meaningful if they wanted to part any advice from him before going separate ways This fan base deserves nothing but suffering. Games. Merch. Anime. Cards. They deserve all the shit and I hope gamefreak straight up refuses to make any more Pokemon and costs off the billions of dollars in neetbux they have in their bank doing fuckall
>>59638288SPBP, Pokemon as a franchise has always been garbage.
>>59639446> >Story complete, nothing to proceed with. End the story and start a new one?>No, just have the cast play the spinoff games and somehow make the spinoff games look better.Blame Game Freak. the anime is ultimately a commercial for the game, so the progress in the anime is dependent on the schedule of the games. But game freak were such lazy faggots they wouldn’t get WeeWaa or whatever the fuck we’re calling it out on time so it had to be delayed, so now anipoke has to pull filler out it their ass until Gen 10 is out
>>59639446>>Have a genuinely good conceptIt was never a good concept for a Pokémon anime staring with New Protagonist. It was basically a literal fanfic written by friendless girl who is coping with having no friends. The only way for this concept to ever work if the protagonist was an veteran at his peak with a pre-existing fanbase rather than a new protagonist who has to start from scratch yet writers want to treat him like Ash after he won the PWC.Removing Ash was never good, every problem on Horizon started because he wasn't in the show and writers pushing his role to somebody else who nether had the characters development and appeal to carry that role. You still hang up on removing Ash because you think that's what real anime supposed to do.
>>59639800Everything that just came out of your mouth is full of shit and hypocrisy. You have praise Beatbreak despite starting off with a new characters. The problems of Horizons would have still happen anyway because the Explorers was a group made about 100 years ago. The involvement of Ash would have change nothing, schizo.
>>59638264>advertisement anime that has to drag on for decades with the same safe nothingburger protag that can't age in any meaningful wayGee anon, we'll never know.
>>59639826>Everything that just came out of your mouth is full of shit and hypocrisy.First of all, I am the one talking about Beatbreak here. Second, Beatbreak and Horizons both started with new protagonist but Beatbreak mogs Horizons because of fundamental difference between both franschise. Pokemon was about a central protagonist's journey to pokemon world while Digimon is about a group of super special chosen one protagonist taking on forces of evil. Nobody complains about Tomoro having magic E-pulse because Digimon protagonist always depicted as "Chosen One" that are more special & has magic destiny compared to Original Ash who started off as an underdog and had to remain an underdog for over 10 years. Its like comparing Elaina The Wondering Witch with Precure. >he problems of Horizons would have still happen anyway because the Explorers was a group made about 100 years ago.You couldn't be more wrong. If writers wanted a protagonist who can defeat and catch a FREAKING RAYQUAZA then there was no point of removing Ash . Instead they tried to insist Roy become as strong as world champion without any actual efforts because he had them OFFSCREEN. None of the member the Explorer were 100 years old except Gideon who turned out to be even worst than Chairman Rose. In fact the entire Explorer are even more incompetent than Team Rocket Trio and won't last a day against the main Team Rocket.
The anime was already dying with ash killed the movies lol and her seiyu became annoying bitch
One of reason the anime sucks now new designs are unnapealing garbage, they look so fucking bad lol mega raichu x in the anime looks hilarious bad
>>59638712Clearly a child.
>>59639463I wonder what we could've had if Ash retired at the end of Indigo League, had a 3 year timejump to the next series where we get a protag based on Gold, THEN have the climax of that series having an Ash vs NotGold battle
>>59638611It's cool how Pokemon competitors never thrive on their own merits. Just contrarianism.
>>59638611Pokecel cope>>59639285Diginigger logic
>>59638264trAsh left taking any relevant nostalgiafans with him. No one gives a fuck about some boring shygirl who has to think carefully before even putting her shirt on, a black trAsh who out of nowhere gets legendary and shiny handouts like no tomorrow and a team of literalwhos and other OCs who look absolutely fucked up with random shapes and colors slapped randomly on them to make up for a lack of interesting personalities. Horizons is just low effort gapfiller to keep shilling Pokemon to the few kids left watching while they think of what to do next.
>>59640100>kidslol Kids dont wath this garbage they dont care pokemon, it's only manchildren
>>59639285digimon won so hard, new anime soon , cool manga too
>>59640150Diginigger cope
>>59638264People just want to see Ash become a Pokémon master. Whenever anyone complained about character development or some garbage it was because they just wanted to see Ash kick ass and act as a Pokémon veteran. Literally if Pokémon did a Shippoden it would go hard as fuck.
>>59640150Link pls, good mc design compared woke garbage from pokemon these days
>>59640147>Noooooo kids dont watch it because i said so!!!Retard take, not surprising for these threads
>>59640177https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/titles/100838
>>59638264no ash= flop, that's simple now they are making a tcg movie lmao biggest flop incoming
>>59640194learn pokemon
Ash is dead and retired
>>59639915Pokemon anime was doing just fine with Ash for more than 10 years until the anime start making dumb decision to insert garbage OC and glorify them such as screwing Ash's character development to shill a racist trash named Trip or trying to shove a power fantasy about Alain instead of writing Ash's story. What if Ash maintained his experienced on BW series , Trip was set aside as a joke rival, TRio remain goofball and entire series was about Ash & N clashing over their ideal & truth ? What if Ash maintain his consistent personality from DP on XY series, Serena had playful banter with him like a CHILDHOOD FRIEND, Ash kept Goodra & he defeated Alain to win the freaking Kalos League? What if Gloria, Marnie or Green joined Ash & Goh as the lead girl of JN series instead of betting the entire series on Goh & his friendship with Ash? You see, Pokemon anime went downhill because the head of anime department forces the most stupidest & dumdest idea involving garbage OC that has Red Flag written all over them and they still insist it will work until it fails as expected & they goes " Our OC and stupid idea would have work marvelously if it wasn't for Ash & those meddling Team Rocket Trio"
>>59638264Like with anything, if you want the funding, you have to emasculate your product. They went too far. The anime failed to live up to the games from the very beginning. They took Red and his battle against an underground mafia and his desire to be champion, and twisted him into a dork with lines on his face, who hates evolving his Pokémon, didn't fairly win a single one of his badges, aimed for the horn, and eventually lost to somebody else's Pikachu because his own Charizard didn't respect him. The Origins series and the BW2 marketing anime shows us that *somebody* in this franchise is *capable*, they just...don't want to commit.
>>59640278>Origins
>>59639446>Finish said concept>Then have a timeskip that really didn't do anything for the castThe plot wasn't finished by that point>Then have a timeskip that really didn't do anything for the cast>Make a side villain into a main villain, and make him look like a lesbianIf you didn't see that happening you need to consume more media. I wonder what group of people do you have that in common.>filler filler filler filler what was the plot again? filler filler fillerThere's barely any.>No, just have the cast play the spinoff games and somehow make the spinoff games look better.yes anon, its horizon's fault that wiwa got delayed
>>59639902>Pokemon was about a central protagonist's journey to pokemon worldSo Pokemon when to shit in Gen 2 when they introduced Ethan, ok.
