Louisville Top 8 editionPokémon Champions is a free to play online battle simulator available on Switch and mobile. It features ranked, casual and private battles for both singles and doubles, and will be used for VGC tournaments in 2026.>News- Joseph Ugarte [US] has won the Louisville Regional Championship.Louisville Day 2 Stream:https://www.youtube.com/live/omC2XtMO8yk>Resources and useful linksCommunity Tournaments usage data: https://pikalytics.com/Ladder usage data: https://pokechamdb.com/enDamage Calculatorhttps://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/New Player Guide(NEW PEOPLE READ THIS):https://rentry.org/pcg-guide (now taking suggestions and feedback)Quick FAQ>Do I need my own Pokémon to play?No, the game features a recruitment system, but transferring from Home is recommended to save time and resources.>What makes the game so much more accessible than before?All aspects of a Pokémon are customizable with VP, a currency earned simply by playing the game. IVs are also removed.Ask in the thread if you want any specific Pokémon, and someone will respond.>Is there single player content?No.>Do I need a Nintendo Online subscription?No.>What's the starter pack?US$6.99 one time purchase for 50 training tickets (fully train for free), 30 Teammate Tickets (recruit Pokemon without using VP), 50 extra box space and the LGPE trainer music. Only available on Switch for now.>Is anything locked behind a paywall?So far everything gameplay relevant is also purchasable with VP. Only E-Floette require ZA transfer.Old >>59656002
>>59657813So apparently, the reason why Toler got mad on stream, is because he kept talking in the mircophone, and Andrew asked him to “please stop talking” and he threw a fit over it lmao
>>59657813Heard we were having issues with weather?
First for GOATED
>>59657818Did he get DQ or something over it?
>>59657813I told everyone here that zard would be back after new toy syndrome wore off, and retards here told me I was wrong.
Post frauds
>>59657824No punishments were given on either end.
Charizard has won 3 majors in a row, 4 if you count the VR tour.
>charizard has w-let me correct you real quicksleep powder venusaur and choice scarf garchomp have won those things
>>59657828How rare with how trigger happy these faggots are over there.
>>59657830VR never counts. There's like one a week or so
>okay, this team has armarouge and torkoal, surely they didn't feel the need to also put a fire move on e->gardevoir used mystical fire!
sleep powder is for trannies debate me
>>59657833Cope and mald. Zard winning majors again after retards wrote it off
They'll add Flutter Mane next reg
people say "we need safety goggles" as if having to run an entire item to counter ONE pokemon (maybe three if you count vivillon and hypnosis milotic) isn't retarded to begin with
>missed the 7 star tyranitar SV raid so i cant Tyranitar the Unrivaled it's fucking NYOVER
ummmm reddit isnt happy sleep powder won...
I think mega evolution is extremely overrated but it's still not as gay as having box legendaries and the usual suspects. We have I think minimum 2 worlds before they add the Winds Waves gimmick and Gen 10 Pokédex. We don't even know how the next worlds will look because we would have 3 more regulations and minimum 60 Pokémon added.>Dec M-D>March M-E>June M-FI would rather they add tera then do MT regulations for the next year like the teaser suggested but it's probably going to be super Timmy legendary teams.
>>59658033I feel like they'll jump the gun to add thee new mons regardless of whatevr season was going on before
>complaining about sleep powder when the spore worlds 2025 final was kinoooo
>>59657818Timestamp?
charizard players on ladder are way too autistics about winning the weather warthey'll just sit there and not mega/protect while I violate the rest of their team, as long as they get to wait until the rain setter comes in
>>59657813>Garchomp wins another one>just keeps winning as BOTH base and Mega ZSOMEBODY STOP HER
>>59657941You're gonna want something to prevent Amoonguss spore spam
>play coil milotic set for the first time and add swords dance to pod>matched into a sylveon that runs roar (never seen this before ever)>next matched into fissure snorlax (haven't faced one in near a hundred games) and it lands 4/5 raw fissures you cannot convince me this game doesn't adjust based on your build and try to punish you, it simply can't be coincidence
its time to admit salamence just isnt good
>>59658134how did this thing ever dominate the meta in the first place? it's not like garchomp and bulksters that eat hyper voice for breakfast didn't exist in 2016
>>59657941No, running one item to completely nullify an otherwise strong option isn't retarded at all. Is the Assault Vest or Covert Cloak retarded?
Mence and Gross both fell the fuck OFF
>>59658136Incineroar didn't exist and all the good Pokemon with Fake Out were weak to flying. There were no real options for blocking priority other than Quick Guard, but also priority options and speed in general were weaker and slower, so a base 120 speed, strong Pokemon could just sit on the field and do good damage. Also the best Mega in that time was Mega Kang, which didn't like getting Intimidated. It was a product of its time.
>>59658149how is protecting against ALL special attacks and protecting against ALL secondary effects (incl. every fake out user) supposed to be less niche than preventing two very specific moves (sleep power and rage powder, nobody cares about the sandstorm chip thing)
>>59658162inb4 you forgot spore (it's just more accurate sleep powder)
>Kanghaskan got nerfed to death>Mence got checked hard by Chomp ZZard Y is the only one still alive from the Big 3 megas before Z-A. He could still get even better if they add the paradox mons.
Why is a ten foot tall brick shithouse like Mega-Swampert faster than Dragapult?
>>59658195because it's raining
>venusaur back in meta with sleep powder spamSo much for enjoying Pokemon
>>59658201acrobatics sneasler outspeeds and OHKOs benisore, and charizard will always protect thinking you have rock slide instead
>>59658213how do you activate unburden t1? Side debuff + white herb?
Why did retards try to sell Mega kekchomp as nothing but a fraud?
>>59658220he is a fraud. people haven't had time to learn and adapt yet
>>59658220/v/ is retarted+ its full of smoggies that only play 6v6 singles
>>59658222>doubling down on the cope
>>59658217terrain
>>59658220He jobbed this tourney however? OG Chomp took the top spots.
>>59658226Choice scarf chomp is your ultimate humiliation, my cope, your tears
>>59658232the fact that Chomp is top-tier as both base and Z only makes both strongeras you dont know what you're up against
>>59658243you do know because tournaments are OTS
>>59658245tournaments arent what most people play
>>59658220First and foremost is that if a Mega doesn't have an ability that does something crazy, secondaries will start ranting about how the Mega is dead in the water. The number of fucking memes about Garchomp that came out in the first couple days were absurd.
>>59658247ok then why are you using tournament results as proof of anything
Hmmm today I will try to make Mabosstiff's stupid ass work into Masterball
>>59658252Go for it king
>>59658250>wins tournaments>and is even scarier on ladder than in tournaments because of the unknown factor
*wheeze*>See, mega Garchomp is good, look at the statistics *Cough**Cough**Heavy breathing*>Winning worlds is just a matter of tim-*Bep**Bep**Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep*
>>59658256no chompz is bad because americans don't have success with it. just like dnite mega, yes it won worlds but it was bad because americans didn't care for it and that is the only opinion that matters.
She won/vp/ lost and got gaped
The kinghas returned
>>59658267>>59658266No world titles no backtalk (this applies only to garchomp z because that is what everyone is debating before you tards respond)
Did rillaboomer make my best friend malamar good?>Inb4 you are a fag for playing protect the king strategyBlame Game freak for making him this way, not me. Still more soul than the copy cat Staraptor
>>59658274good in what sense
>>59658273Charizard is so good that every team is first designed around countering him before anything else is considered
>>59658055I'm just going by precedent but it's also a little weird. They don't usually do the current generation until the next worlds after release. They ALWAYS do a delay between game release and Home compatibility. They can't release the Pokémon in this game first without making them transferable from the main game. That's why I assume it's a delay year and we have a third year with megas and maybe tera. Then the year after is when they go all in on Gen 10's gimmick. Then Dynamax comes back the year after Legends Galar releases.
garchomp irritates me because it's far and away the best ground type in the game, but also a dragon type, which makes it hard to justify running any other dragons without compounding weaknesses
>>59658279Good to win tournaments
>>59658286does it have any results?
>>59658266I KNEEL
>>59658266>/vp/ lost and got gapedespecially that one Farfetchdfag
>>59658287did pachirisu
>>59658287I don't know, that's why I'm asking
>>59658291yes (in my porn folder)
Off to a great start today
>>59658306but who set the rain?
>>59658320mehe had zard
>>59658306Only second placers pick these pokemon. They are the path of least resistance cheater mons that stunt your growth. The logical progression from a hard trick room team. Play balance and respect yourself
>>59658324I've been playing bax balance all season respecting myself is not what I do
>>59658324not like incin rilla balance really requires that many more brain cells to operate either
>>59658324arch is good but yeah grim is just cope
>>59658368it could've won the regional yesterday. Joe was overall pretty lucky and it could've gone either way. yes it's a faggot mon but it's by no means bad
>>59657813Putting plushes on your game table? Fine, expression, its cool. But taking your picture with the plush? lol, kinds cringe bro.
I like how the top Salamence teams are all just trying to run back big 6 builds from MA/MB. An indication that those teams are getting very little development.You sure this pokemon is meta defining? It's not gen 6(prenerf) and 7(postnerf) anymore.
>>59658481Mega Salamence isn't supposed to be built around on like Zard Y. One of his world wins was playing support for the restricted legendaries. Back then, we also didn't have dynamic speed so a bulky tailwind setter is pretty good. I remember even some Zard Ys ran tailwind.I think people just got better at building Zard Y teams compared to other old megas, and the dynamic speed changes boosted him and his team a lot, i.e chlorophyll immediately boosting Venusaur's speed.
Drafting ideas for a M Malamar attempt. Any good recs for 6th slot in either?
>milotic/raichu-y leadI feel like a retard against this lead. Farig/Raptor-Gambit lead fails because they always call which slot I'm going to gambit into, and if I don't TR then I risk giraffe dying. Pawmot/Golisopod lead means I can maybe kill the Milotic but it's a gamble if they fake out or zap cannon (I can protect first turn for a coaching boost but after that I can't outspeed and KO the raichu before it hits). Maybe Pawmot/Farig would be a good lead into this?
>>59658538monkey ohkos both
>>59658557Good idea actually, Gambit's borderline useless on the team (Gholdengo/Basc counter but barely see fish and Politoed handles Gholdengo on its own). Rilla would help with psyspam, milotic, and even gholdengo somewhat too if frog fails. I'll try it out
>>59657833I will correct that:Joe "won" because his cheating was not caught. He missed a single sleep powder and all of his attempts were at maximum turns. Every chnce the opponent had to miss they missed. And it still was a hard fight. Cheating won the tournament not a good team.
>>59658575RNG does not make a win any more or less deserved; you pay the opportunity cost of your accuracy by rolling the dice, and so if you gamble and win or lose rolls it is always just. The sooner you accept that the easier your emotions are.
>>59658575lol
>>59658580nta but been seeing conspiracy theories of how tpc had the rng rigged in joe's favor to cement the two regional wins in a row story, so not surprising people calling out "cheating" when its just good odds
>>59658588The retards saying that only watched the finals. He had pretty trash RNG leading up to the finals.
Pokemon is sucha gay game.Imagine if in 2016 there was a random lucky crit and all of Wolfe's creativity and work were for nothing
Shit Game
>>59658588>>59658597Let's see what IA has to say:"Got it! Stripping away the macro-tournament navigation and looking strictly at pure RNG, rolls, and luck factors (accuracy checks, sleep duration rolls, and double-protect / 50-50 mind-game success) across Day 1 versus Day 2, here is how those pure probability layers break down:1. Day 1 (Swiss Rounds Grind)Day 1 required sustaining a high volume of matches without getting broken by standard variance. If we isolate just the sequence of high-stakes accuracy checks (like hitting sub-100% moves when games hung in the balance) and avoiding critical low-roll deficits across his Swiss swiss matches: Pure RNG Odds: Roughly 1 in 3202. Day 2 (The Finals / Climax Stream)Day 2 condensed the absurdity into high-visibility windows—most notably the consecutive Sleep Powder connections (75% accuracy checked repeatedly) stacked with consecutive maximum-duration sleep rolls and cleanly dodging/punishing double-protect mind games: Pure RNG Odds: Roughly 1 in 2,100Combining the pure RNG, accuracy checks, sleep-duration rolls, and double-protect / 50-50 sequences across both Day 1 and Day 2 into a single compounding statistical profile:1 in 672,000"Now the chances of cheating and not getting caught:"Official tournaments use heavily restricted, tournament-provided or physically inspected hardware running locked configurations, and staff monitor matches closely on stream and on-site. Detection & Prevention Rate: Extremely high due to physical oversight and strict save-file checks. Odds of getting away with it long-term: Roughly 1 in 100,000. The physical nature of live events makes real-time hardware/software tampering practically a guaranteed path to a permanent ban if exposed."So Occam razor rules. >>59658597So you fucker is just a idiot.
>AI>Schizo>ESLlol
I love Canari, bros...
>>59658609No counter arguments? Just insults?I didn't knew I was talking to a woman. Waste of time.
>arguing with a schizophrenic retard using AI as proof
>>59658603Crits do feel more likely in this fuck ass game. >already had the game that would get me to low 1700s after tilting to low 1500s on lock>randomly crit the 3% HP ZardY on a non-high crit chance move >the game prior I got critter three times back to back
>>59657941Googles incin completely invalidates venu zard leads
>>59658625you're cute and i love you
>>59658603>>59658625Admit it. Shell Armor is a good ability.
>>59658607Does the AI actually know the tournament's play by play and isn't just hallucinating?
How do people run Basc outside of Swift Swim rain?
>>59658638depends on the pokemon like any ability, it's not good on mega scolipede since it doesnt really work well as a defensive mon, but it would have been good on m-golisopod (or if scolipedes typing changed to bug/steel)
>>59658670adaptability scarf with flip turn, wave crash, last respects, aqua jet is standard
>>59658638it's only good for mega slowbro cheese
unfortunately im checked out of the format. my best formats were reg h, reg g and reg i. champions era just hasnt been to kind for me. im an ursaluna user, and they just wont add it to the game.
>>59658673That or a very bulky set with Life Orb/sitrus berry where you accept you're not outspeeding things, but also surviving Grassy glide and sucker punch.
>>59658690Maybe MD.
>>59658664Of course not. Not even TPC knows every individual play by play unless every player logs it themselves and uploads it to the internet like Wolfe does with his tourney videos.
Maybe we'll finally be way in the weeds by world's 27, such that reg MA and MB teams aren't a dominant force.We should wind up with 3 different regulations between now and then.
>>59658690im just running mence floette balance for the 2 locals i have left for the season and im done. cant be bothered to play more of this format. sleep spam with ZERO counterplay is just not fun and the people who balance this game need to be called out for this shit.
>no assault vest and this is a special attacking format, so everything is near max sp def>no googles, so fast sleep doesnt have counterplay aside from praying your opp misses>everything check to zard venu just gets put to sleep and two shot by zard>arch doesnt have a ground check that isnt weak to it. >no band and specs so if you want serious burst damage, your forced to use one of the few meta warping broken megaswatch, googles, av still wont be added next reg, neither will the ursalunas. this is exactly tpci wants. braindead formats where balance doesnt exist, or is so hard to use, only the top 1% of players can pull it off
>MA and MB were the filch formats>MC was the sleep formatwhats MD gonna be?
>>59658698Lmao yeah OK that's reasonable.I'm surprised I've never heard anyone using an LLM to "solve" PvP Pokémon at least in a current meta snapshot way. Like yeah Claude took forever to beat Red but the open world navigation and RPG story/ goal context seems more arbitrarily complicated than game theory of battle analysis
>>59658708game devs do watch games and take things into account. after cybertrons t4 worlds match, they nerfed thunderus' entire toolkit (swagger, thunder wave, para) they nerfed sleep with the introduction of champions. Goggles, AV and possibly more arch, zard counterplay should be added next reg.
Need specs, band and all the other items sv added
>>59658711>) they nerfed sleep with the introduction of championsWait, they nerfed it after the gen 8 or 9 Nerf?
>>59658719In the champions nerf. Sleep used to have max 3 turns of sleep in gen 9.
Safety GogglesAssault VestChoice BandChoice SpecsUrsaluna HisuiUrsaluna BloodmoonTatsugiri Heatran
>>59658723Copium: The List
>>59658723Oh god no. >gogglesThis is fine, but Giri, Ass Vest, Ursaluna, and Heatran are better gone. For my money, I'd put in Weakness Policy if we want powerful items.
>>59658738>This is fine, but Giri, Ass Vest, Ursaluna, and Heatran are better gone.you watched louisville finals and deciced none of the mons and items that would add counterplay into that should be added?
>>59658738we are getting heatran next reg. ursalunas must be added to balance that. AV and Goggles are 100% being added after the current state of this format. Tatsu is the last mega left so he will be added (not with dozo). specs band need to come back to close he power gap between megas and non megas. we might even get some other sub legendaries. the way its looking, worlds 2027 will be like reg d (all sub legendaries + items) and we will resume the normal cycle once winds and waves comes out
>>59658752what would even save solo giri
>>59658752None of that will happen other than heatran because Champions devs refuse to improve the game
>>59658761drizzle. we dont have a rain mega setter anyway, its ability is probably is said to already exist via leaks
>>59658752>we are getting heatran next reg. ursalunas must be added to balance that. AV and Goggles are 100% being added after the current state of this format. Tatsu is the last mega left so he will be added (not with dozo). specs band need to come back to close he power gap between megas and non megas. we might even get some other sub legendaries.correct, but devs like the game the way it is now. hyper offense with charizard at the top.
>>59658752>>59658744This meta is far from solved. I do agree special attackers are more comfortable than ever but I don't want the choice items bar scarf in because it changes the powerscale too far, yet without choice specs ass vest makes things worse. I think Ass Vest is too EZ bake for free bulk on a lot of Mons and contributes to, despite Intimidate being on everyone's team, how physical attackers are by and large supreme in a fairly unrestricted meta. You need literal nuclear grade special attackers like Flutter Mane, Calyrex or Miraidon to even rattle that.
>>59658770I think we just need an OTS ladder.
>>59658761It already has commander before mega.You beat the Dozo and then have to face another mega right after.That combo of mons by themselves can just be slapped onto a 2+2+2 team. It will be good even if the ability is just middling.
>>59658802dozo with no tera is worse. it gets rilla boomed, spored, and one shot my zap cannon.
>>59658770actually the meta is solvedit's mega dragoniteliterally won worlds and people still sleep on it. absolutely insane
>>59658819it doesnt trade well into sun rain.
>>59658809Sounds cool in a vacuum, dozo will still be good.
>>59658827it wont be bad, but i just dont see it doing as well as it did in SV, they probably wont even add it in the champions era for a long time anyways, they cant code commander
>>59658828Zap Cannon from a +32 Raichu Y won't 1HKO +2 dozoIt would be really funny if Dozos carried fissure.
>>59658824idiot. you run Dragonite with rain
>>59658841Dnite rain should be dominating the tournaments right?
Is there s formula for how EVs from mainline Pokemon translate to Champions? All I know is 252 main= 32 champ, but I'm making my first team and using complex spreads
Re watching Louisville stream, Im in the background for quite a few of the interview shots lmaooo
>>59658908I am reporting this to Play Pokemon so the trans professors will ban you for making them uncomfortable with your presence after the fact.
>>59658908Are you cute
Sash coaching blaziken is funalso no investment mega staryu ice beam kills mence, if you don't damage calc like me
>>59658913The hacker known as 4chan has infiltrated the event...
>>59658907it's just 1 point per 8 evs because level 50but you don't really need to know all that shit 1sp is just 1 stat just look at stat totals on damage calc if you're copying some previous gen spread
>>59658603RNG ruins Pokemon and singlehandedly renders it a fundamentally uncompetitive game.People never looked at PTCG being coinflip: the game, and realized the nature of what TPC is trying to sell them.
>>59658690VGC peaked in interestingness with Regulation G 1.0. Although MiraiDON seems obvious in retrospect, it felt to everyone like it was anybody's game to win, and people were trying just about everything.
>>59658845they would if good players brought it ever
Apologies for the picture of a screen. I am scared of switching to the phone app in case I lose it.Isn't this a Shiny Hippowdon? It is not displaying as shiny in the icon but these colors are the shiny coloring right?
>>59658907With EVs your first 4 give +1 at 50, then it's 8 for all subsequent stats because of how IV rounding works. (At 50, 2IVs =1 stat so the 31st IV gives your Pokemon half of a stat, which floors to +0 without the 4EVs, but rounds up to the +1 with them). In Champions all Pokemon have 31IVs and all Pokemon are level 50, so the normal formulas of>(((2 * base + (EVs / 4) + IVs) * level / 100) + 5) * nature>(((2 * base + (EVs / 4) + IVs) * level / 100) + 10 + levelcan be greatly simplified toBase Stat + 20 + stat pointsBase Stat + 25 + level + stat points
>>59659234Self reply, never mind. I figured it out: this is just the female's colors
>>59659238We've all been there once
>>59659234No, that's a female. Gen 4 was all about sexual dimorphism. Rather than get an extra spike or something, male Hippowdons are just a different color.
>>59657941>and hypnosis miloticThe Safety Goggles makes you immune to powder and spore moves, and Hypnosis is neither a powder or spore move.
>double freeze for 2 turns on gambit and deedee not letting me get trick room and a free SD vs frosslass and farig leadOk game, at least it balanced itself out with a high horsepower miss on gambit next match, sometimes you gotta laugh at the ridiculous rng
I usually don't like running no attacking moves at all, but I guess it's okay on a follow me mon since they can't ignore it
>>59659237I understand that because 50% of an EV stat and 50% of an IV stat add up before truncation is why you can do 30 or 31 IV with the first 4 EV raising the stat, but I'm confused how you can make spreads with the remainder of 2 stats when maxing the others instead of 1.
>>59659290Who is even running taunt right now? I haven't had Mental Herb pay off once on my Farig
>>59659308I don't even plan for taunt I just accept it on the extreme off chance it happens
im getting fucked by joexu9 team, tech my team to beat it, they go 100% on sleep powders and i cant play the game.
focus sash is the most bullshit item in the game and I'm tired of pretending it's not
>>59659392*in doublesobviously it's not very good in singles because of sneaky pebbles
>>59658085Why is that I don´t feel uncomfortable about Garchomp being present in most competitive environments since it´s introduction? I have no strong feelings with that, it´s like "Yeah that´s how things should be", but I feel conflicted with other Pokémon instead, when it comes to other Pokémon I feel better with the idea of them stepping out of the meta. It´s very curious.
m-sceptile status
>>59659452Garchomp is just that guy, anon. It's like Tyranitar for a lot of people. It'd be weird if they weren't around because they've always been there, never being outright busted but always strong, consistent members of any team or format they're on.
ultra ball tier is harder then master cause no body knows what the fuck they are doing and run max attack max speed on all thier mons. its impossible to get a read on them
>>59659452it's just plain good and has no free boosts so it doesn't feel that bad, not like getting RESPECTED or grass monke dick. it wasn't even that oppressive in the last 2 gens. no one really complains about ttar being goated for its entire existence either.
>>59659464I think it's that you don't have a gauge on the level of player you are playing, it's a gamble whether you get a veteran or a noob
>>59659452Because it doesn't have an annoying ability nor a ridiculously broken signature move, it's "organically" good
>>59659452no fake out, no priority moves, no disruption/redirection/boosting chomp is just a ball of good stats and typing with good coverage that you either position around well and win or don't and losepossibly the most fair meta staple of all time, if not maybe a bit irritating for anything weak to ground
this is easily my worst format every. i have never felt so frustrated playing a format before. just had my worst performance every at louisville. im qutting VGC entirely until i see some improvment in stuff added in M-D. Champions as a whole hasnt been fun for me to play. I thought it would be but its just not. The only team that worked for me in champions was big 6 and i still didnt enjoy running that or playing MA or MB.
>>59659514sorry to hear that anonwhat team did you play at louisville?
just beat the guy that got 33rd at Louisville on showdown
>>59659514I agree with you insofar as I preferred reg F and reg I to the champions metas, hell even reg H is kind of on par with MC and I didn't enjoy that.Sub legendaries would improve the variety of the meta tremendously. You want to stop seeing Sneasler, Gambit, etc on every team? Give us mons that are powerful enough to be worth picking, no more of these fucking Skawabillys.
>>59659210Good players have already evaluated it.I think Dnite is underrated, but rain is not necessarily what it should be paired with.
showdown ladder is more bot then human now, and the admins are playing pattycake amongst themselves rather then fix the issue, as no one wants to play bots on ladder. champions ladder doesnt have this issue so ill play it.
>>59659590>Give us mons that are powerful enough to be worth picking, no more of these fucking Skawabillys.this is the part that i dont understand, they say gambit have an 80% usage rate in day 2 worlds, was on 13/14 worlds top cut teams (more then 2022, 2019 incin rates) and decided we needed squakabilly to fix this.
>>59659599Can we get an ots ladder?Doesn't have to be best of 3, but for God's sake I'm sick of playing cautiously initially just to find out what cheese my opponent is attempting.
so whats happening? i havent opened the game in a month. clicking expanding force under trick room was funny for a few weeks, but i just never found it fun
>>59659613zard venu has zero counterplay due to the lack of AV and goggles, now pair that with arch, which already had little counterplay behind screens. thats the format rn and people are upset
>>59659520i brought mence balance, i could not find anything better and it was comfort. i choose the wrong mence balance version though and paid the price. i prepped super hard for the tour and bombed. it happens but that was the nail in the coffin. its very embarssing. this game wont be played unless i see some real change.
>>59659616>zard venu againwhat is this, M-A? Didnt we find counters to this like months ago?>now pair that with arch, which already had little counterplay behind screensthe M-B special.Oh right, i remembered that people talked about the CharY under the rain team a while back. never understood that.
was there ever a fun mega meta
>>59659625Look at Louisville's top 3
>>59659626Yes, I really liked 2014 and 2018.Note I have been to 4 regionals in my life spread across many years.
they could have added the nidos for good non mega special attacking ground types if they wanted to keep the power level down. but fuck that, we get gogoat instead. someone ran special mega swampert, its bleak
>>59659626Only 2014 when megas werent so powercrept. Every other mega format is extremely centralized.
>>59659633we need lando
>>59659625charizards biggest weakness was sand, so they paried it with rain, which beats sun (rain teams cannot touch arch behind screens + stamina boosts + lefties recovery) . garchomp (both forms) also cover for zards weakness quite well and does well into the mirror
>>59659635well yes but they probably dont add them until next year
>>59659638dragonite rain matches up well into charizard, garchomp (with tailwind up or multiscale intact), archaludon (it can't take 2 dragon pulses), and venusaur (hurricane) but nobody plays it for some reasonprobably because it sucks against raichu teams
>>59659646>it can't take 2 dragon pulsesthey are all max calm now, they can, espeically behind screens which they are all now
>>59659650maybe it's time to start running draco...
>>59659660thats even worse, cause thats never one shotting an arch and now you can do damage anymore at -2
zard-rain is really just the groudon-kyogre of beforeclearly the answer is dragon dance altaria rain
>>59659682how did oldheads by dual primals in 2016
>>59659686rayquaza, who isnt legal, but his cousin, altaria is
>altariasneedler victim
>>59659734not the base form
>>59659734more arch than anything
>>59659742many arches dropped flash cannon for snarl so it doesn't have anything to hit the mega withwhereas pixilate hyper voice chunks it fairly well
>>59659741a lot of them have rock slide
>>59659746bring your own garchomp
>>59659514What did you get killed by
>>59659514shoulda done rain dnite
>>59659834post team
>>59659837https://pokepast.es/a47c0dde19035dcc
>>59659845looks like trash, made top 32 in seniors huh
>>59659848feel free to replace the sabeleye with anything you want
Pelipper the unsung hero
>>59659845with two rain setters you're pretty much always winning the weather war, so why not go swift swim on the fish?
>>59659852use tailwind instead and get big damage
>Getting error 11200>Google it>It's supposedly for running on emulators but I'm running my game on my real phone>Still getting the error days laterI guess it's over for me
>>59659864I get it sometimes when the wifi sucks
>>59659845how do you deal with the stupid yellow rat? just try really hard to make sure sneasler doesn't die?
>>59659871dnite
>>59659868It happens when I turn on data too
>>59659874how does dragonite beat ychudo you just accept getting zapped I guess?
>perish trap team>double the mega gengar and ko it>they forfeitlike clockwork
>>59659845looks like Gholdengo is just going to setup a nasty plot T1
Does anyone remember how in pre-Champions VGC many teams had no (/minimal) inaccurate moves?I look at successful teams and they're all reliant on ragebait inaccurate moves, the only exceptions are the Suica Floette team (paywalled) and some perish crap. This is largely thanks to Charizaaaard Y, the most boring unfun mon ever, and the retarded Gholdengo nerf.
>>59659934Yes, I remember rng not permeating every turn. The last 3 metas having optimal sets reliant on moves that miss or effects that may or may not active is incredibly frustrating.
There's definitely some fuckass teams in ultra ball I embarrassingly lost to. I burned this greedy cosmic power normal Metagross and thought the problem would take care of itself then he unzipped chesto rest. I don't remember the rest of the members but I also lost to a speed swap normal Alakazam Bellibolt. I also lost to an explosion revival blessing normal gem Metagross. I would have won if I clicked protect even once but I wasn't expecting him to click explosion again after getting revived.
>>59659887yeah. scarf basc can also kill him
How broken would these be if they had the partner stats, moves and could do everything special they can do like Z moves and Gigantamax?
>>59660218gmax pikachu is gonna put scarfchomp on every teameevee would still be pure cheese
>>59660218Partner Pikachu@Light Ball would warp the meta around it. >checks CharY>checks Mega Ttar>checks both Pelipper and Politoed>will be paired with Terrain, so it'll VIOLATE both Indeedees, and blue ball RillaboomIt'll force Garchomp to be THE staple Dragon on every team.Partner Eevee@Eeveenium would be disgusting since it can be paired with any decent Redirection that it could set up other Megas for free.
>>59660324Forgot to mention that access to Play Rough would also mean it can definitely tear apart most Dragons anyways. It would be fun for a while.
Azumarill is really good for me at the moment
>it's an Archaludon episode>it's a Rillaboom episode>it's an Incineroar episodeThese writers need to get some new material.
First two regionals were fun, then people remembered charizard existed again
>>59660633whose fucking idea was it to make steel dragon pokemon... and then on top of that make it one of the strongest in the game
>>59660642They wanted folks to buy the DLC. Half of the meta warping people in each generation are DLC mons (raging bolt, ogerpon, urshifu, calyrex)
>>59660642>10 resistances >2 weaknessesBut it has low SpDef! Unless you invest in it, then it has amazing mixed bulk. God help us when Assault Vest gets added.
>>59660651The aromatic mist guy was cooking something up.
>>59660642>>59660651>two weaknesses are mostly physical attackers>has 130 defense >defense boosts every time you hit it
>>59660657Only Pokémon that checked arch in SV where the Ursalunas and Lando I. They didn’t even add the budget Lando I (Nidos) which is fucked
>>59660641Zard was top 3 in every regional however. Nothing changed.
add band and clear amulet and we wouldnt have this problem (as much)
>>59660651like can we take a step back and just realize how ridiculous it is that this thing counters charizard and floette
>>59660672It gets btfo'd by both of those
>>59660672How much do you need to invest in SpDef to survive weatherball in sun lol
>>59660699>32+ SpA Charizard-Mega-Y Weather Ball (100 BP Fire) vs. 17 HP / 32+ SpD Archaludon in Sun: 153-181 (84 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recoveryOr switch in your rain setter.
>>59660714Yeah, rain teams have such a positive matchup into Zard lol
>>59657813Is registration for Vegas going to open again soon?? I need to run this weekend back. I know I would have done hella better with more practice and a few tweaks to the team. I made too many amateur mistakes that I know I can fix and I want to redeem myself before the format changes
>>59658306I was using Grimm and Archaludon back in reg G. Those were fun times. Maybe i should bring it back
>>59658324What way does this relate to trick room?
>last two regionals won by a sleep powder teamVGC needs sleep clause.
weather is just to broken not to be running right now. feels like taking a handicap off when i use it lol
golduck would save this meta
>Opponent tries to Close Combat my H-Zoroark>twice They also tried to Sucker Punch on psychic terrain, so I probably just ruined some kid's day
why does showdown reg c ladder feel harder than champions? I got almost mb1 but it felt nothing like climbing to 1550. Granted I use more experimental stuff there but still
>>59661067Showbot more like
>>59661086you got something against bots, fleshie?
tera format is at least like 2 years away at this ratebut they're gonna add the paradoxes right before worlds to help zard win
>>59661088They're better than human players, so of course its a harder ladder
>>59661339It depends on when they want to go full legendary degeneracy or when they go all in on Gen 10 synergy. It's nothing new to give 5 months to prepare for a meta considering that was this year. So they might actually add Gen 10 Pokémon and gimmick with the Home compatibility around March 2028. For all we know they could add Tera next Pokémon day and give everyone 6 months to learn Tera vs Mega.
>>59661339Tera is shit. Hate the silly hats and SV, game was for trannies with the tranny duck
>>59660359I overestimated the effect that rillaboom would have on water types, azumaril was my GOAT last reg, who are you running it with? I assume volc would be good, maybe megagross with ychu as the alt mega to steamroll psyterrain and draw in elec attacks in base? My favourite maneuver was baiting arch to use electro shot and running a train on rain after a belly drum
If they add legendaries and other ZU's on top of them I don't see how they don't end up having to do tier based matchmaking. There's just no way a Furfrou is maintaining an argument for a team spot over a Groudon, for example. So what will they do? Split their playerbase to accomplish this?
>>59661496they've never had a problem letting shitmons be completely irrelevant during high power formats before they SHOULD make separate restricted and non-restricted ladders, but everything up until now says they won't at best they'll do the rotating banlist thing like SV
>>59659864Oh, funny you say because I tried running Champions on my GRAPHENE OS. Oh well, you won't get my time and storage on my phone then, Pokemon. Strange too how Home runs perfectly fine on my phone. I'm pretty sure I can do Go too, haven't checked though.
>>59661529Real talk, they do that and we're never going to hear the end of it from Smogon and every "fanfic format" comment will get avalanched back to us.
>>59661602yeah they're already bragging about sleep ban
>>59661529in swsh, they banned the top 10 used mons for a while, but the format wasnt liked by players at the time, shit that was top 10 in singles would also be banned in doubles, vice versa. they didnt do this again for SV
>>59661529I noticed most of the random shit they included were in the ZA DLC. I have a feeling Kecleon and Marowak will be back soon.>Marowak>Porygon Z>Cyclizar>Palossand>Kecleon>Flamigo>Cryogonal>Sawk>Throh>Dachsbun>Grumpig>Crobat>Grafaiai>Zangoose>Seviper>AmoongussThese will probably take priority over things that were in Gen 8.
Would Mega Raichu X be a good counterpic to Indeedee and Rillaboom?
>>59661339I feel like they're not gonna add Tera until they find a way to nerf Shedinja so that tera electric air balloon isn't virtually indestructible.
>>59662007grassy terrain isn't really worth picking something to counter with unless your team is just THAT weak to grassy glidexchu is more of a sidegrade to rilla than a direct opponent, since they're both used to clear psychic terrain (the only one that really matters to get rid of)
I miss Regidrago. It would fix the meta.Give it a scarf, send it out next to Farig with helping hand. Delete everything.
>>59662065gets raped by 'chomp
>>59662065Jobs to Sylveon. Next.
>>59662085>flutter maneftfy
starraptor is a thorn in my sideit's not even that common anymore, but every time i try to build a team that's good against everything else it's weak to starraptor, but when i include something to counter it it's worse against everything else
>>59662095 slap on ghold and milotic
>>59662099which milotic set is considered better right now? there's the muddy/coil/hypnosis one, scald, icy wind, ice beam, etc.
>>59662104i think there are more scald users for the nice burn and it's more consistent for killing with your boosts and it's not so easy to switch into, but pretty sure theyre not too far from each other in usage and it's really up to your needs
>>59658033>>59658055I assume that they gonna rotate gimmicks yearly or so and between now and WiWa we will get something crossed out of the backlog.Dunno, make 2027 year of Z-Moves. They are pretty low impact and people don't care about them + lore-wise Zygarde's big fuck-off canon in PL:Z-A is implied to just be a recreation of Z-Moves it saw in Alola.
>>59662029I run a few slow bulky waters who basically get 1-shot by terrain boosted Wood Hammer.
when they adding60 fps
>>59662128if they add z-moves it's likely gonna be mega + z again and that shit was retarded ngl bro i dont think a format as limited as this can take it
>>59660642>>59660651>>59660657Meanwhile Game Freak or whoever is in charge still isn't assed enough for Aurorus to rightfully have Power Gem.I really don't care if the Sharty dogpiles me for this post or not they are in cohorts with the cumstains from 764.
How many mons/teams are vulnerable to ground in comparison to fighting? I'm thinking of swapping drill run for brick break on my 'pod just to make sure that Archaludon dies asap.
Zard Y and Flutter Mane is gonna feel like the old Chi-Yu and Flutter Mane duo but more aids
>>59662157It'll be something like Zard Y, scarf ChiYu, Brute Bonnet, Fluttermane, Farig, wellspring Ogrepon.
>>59662169Oh yeah, Chi-Yu benefits from Sun and Zard benefits from Beads of Ruin as wellHyper offense is gonna get funny
>helping hand doesn't work on gholdengoRIP there goes my perserker helping hand make it rain idea
Zard, Lunala, Fluttermane, Chi-Yu, Brute Bonnet, Ursaluna
>>59662177i was using perserker as support for toxtricity because immune to sludge wave and resists boomburst
>>59662191assvest incin solos
>>59662011>Tera requires a hold itemWould that kill the gimmick? Honestly I'm surprised they didn't just make 19 Tera crystals one for each type but made it an inherent trait to have a specific Tera type.>Dynamax requires a hold itemWould this "balance" it rather than kill it? I guess it might make it more predictable since there would be a super obvious captain to protect.
>>59662210the bonnay is tera water
>>59662011they can just never add shedinja
>>59662128I really don't think they'll touch Z moves until there's a game where they make more of these or touch Alola again. Tera is the only one in a weird position since they did pic related.
>>59662011>Wonder Guard uses your base typing even when terrastalized Wow so hard
>>59662232>Tera requires a hold item>Would that kill the gimmickyeah defensive tera would just die completely and you'd save it for your big boys like restricteds so it'd just be megas all over again
>>59662250>defensive tera would just die completely*for the supportmons
>>59657813Deranking in Ultra is so DemoralizingwtfI can understand in masters.but its so demoralizing.Im taking another 2 day break and wait for the tryhards ot disappers.Deranking is discouraging me more and more in playing this game, like its not even worth and its starting to feel like a Pay to win scam each season
>>59662274pay to win with what
>>59662276box space mainly
>>59662278you only need 6 to build zardslop
>>59661339>inb4 they also reintroduce gmax and close teamsheet just to make zard unpredictable and with more options
>>59662274the problem is we have nothing to grind for just suffering in rank.why the fuck are the just forcing us to play rank?seriously
>>59662282zardslop is so hard counterd now
>>59662285you wouldn't get it
>>59662287lol
>>59657813Greedy chinese game devs think we play this game for the tournament.
>>59662288so nothing but just chinese greed?
>>59662289seriously salamence took his place zard slop drop in usage is wild.
my lips to god's ears please give mantine drizzle so don't have to use the toilet bird for stab hurricane
zardbros can be funny sometimes
guess what happens if you count up how each pokemon type matches up against the top 8 pokemon of M-Cthe one that comes out on top is ground/dragon
>>59662155you'd really only hit darks with it and you can just leech those drill run is a better arch killer for the crits anyway
>>59662155what the other guy said but also close combat have negative synergy with being an unkillable self healing tank
>>59662274Most of the people that are good at the game already climbed at the start of the season.. You can climb with almost anything. I climbed with arboliva.
>>59662393what did run on the olive?
>>59662397Frankly? Sun team in TR. Combine sap strength with that polen move and people got´pissed. specially the bfuckers with indeedee. But I just deleted the data so I can change my avatar. So I will see if the ladder is as bad this moment as they say. wish me luck.
I did it /vp/, I clawed my way to Master ball. All it took was not getting matched against Archaludon for five matches.
>>59662430I'll queue up with an arch team to celebrate that
>>59662393not happening. seriously.Im back to ultra rank 4stop gaslighting.the rank decrease should be adjusted.I find it so sus tho that I play exclusively with Japanese players too.what the absolute fuck?
manectric with overheat is such an asshole pokemon to deal with
I would love it if you reach ultra rank etc you stay there for good when you derankyou dont go back to great tier.seriously how can the greedy chinese even profit from deranking?players would be encourage to play this shit if there are check points.
>>59662444for golisopod yeah fuck that and heat rotom, mega or don't mega you get screwed either way
>>59659864It's not because "running on emulators", that code is "DeviceIntegrityCheckFailed", it happens because your phone isn't passing the Google Play Integrity API checks, you need at least a "Device Integrity" level.The most common cause for failing those checks is root and/or unlocked bootloader. Unless you can spoof the checks you're out of luck
>>59662274I climbed with my Mega Feraligatr dragon cheer meme team. What is it you're struggling with?
>>59662296lmao
>climbing back up to mb for the season>in great ball>opponent is running stone edge fire blast earthquake Quick Claw garchomp>he sends out a Leftovers tyranitar with Surf afterwardsThat kid is fuckin cruising, every time I saw a crazy move he showed me something crazier
I need some magic anti sand tech
>>59662296no it didn't
been seeing zard x this weekyeah I smoked all of them but still pretty cool
